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[2014-09-16 02:34:58] jamesjoyce the Eclecticist (L16 DjCj of Vehumet) left the Spider Nest on turn 58788. (Spider:1) 00:55:21 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:12 nope, seems like people just added the checks spontaneously 00:57:49 "you never know" 01:00:57 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/cyc.png 01:01:41 nice! 01:02:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1720-gde3053d (34) 01:10:45 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:13:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:16:04 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1720-gde3053d (34) 01:19:12 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:51 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:32:55 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:41:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:47:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:53:27 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1720-gde3053d 01:54:46 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:26 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:25:16 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:29:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:51 whoo, my giants are in 02:30:19 -!- dg94 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:30 -!- schisto is now known as schistosoma 02:32:14 yep 02:32:17 thanks for making them 02:32:25 time to spectate until someone meets one 02:32:40 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:34:01 also here's the latest soh if you want to add some flourish to them: http://i.imgur.com/pEyUkIW.png 02:34:21 pretty much unchanged from the last time I worked on them :v 02:40:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:42:36 -!- Hiffwe is now known as Suga_H 02:43:31 rainbow Ghidra! 02:43:44 disco ghidra...??? 02:43:56 new unique panlord 02:44:29 I guess he's called Ghidorah 02:45:26 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:28 ah, but called Ghidrah in a lot of places 02:48:58 ghidora! 02:49:07 is also a way i've seen it spelled 02:49:49 which is kind of funny because japanese should translate pretty phonetically into english by all rightgs 02:49:49 rights 02:50:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50:07 -!- Wicky has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:04 !messages 02:52:05 (1/1) rchandra said (1d 21h 30m 12s ago): Bah weep graanagh weep nini bong 02:52:17 !tell rchandra okay. 02:52:17 TZer0: OK, I'll let rchandra know. 02:55:11 haha 02:56:38 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:04:28 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:04:49 1tell TZer0 Is the server back up yet? Is the server back up yet? Is the server back up yet? Is the server back up yet? Is the server back up yet? Is the server back up yet? 03:06:38 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:08:16 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:48 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1720-gde3053d (34) 03:11:59 gammafunk: not sure, is it? 03:12:01 :P 03:23:26 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:26:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:30:26 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:32:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:34 -!- Guest16013 is now known as omniscient 03:37:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:37:17 -!- infrasho1tfoo is now known as smltlk 03:45:08 -!- fbafelipe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47:30 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 40.0.2/20150812163655]] 03:57:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 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gammafunk: maybe I should. 05:54:25 -!- rossi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:01:19 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:21:59 03Bodrick02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1721-g4a9153a: Move prequaff checks from item_use.cc to potion.cc 10(4 days ago, 6 files, 73+ 68-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a9153ae1b2d 06:21:59 03Bodrick02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1722-gaaeb217: Don't interrupt recitations if quaff was aborted 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aaeb217c8db7 06:21:59 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1723-g7da1d81: Simplify potion-related checks and improve messaging 10(2 days ago, 10 files, 366+ 403-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7da1d818023c 06:23:27 That last commit really took forever, and probably need further work 06:27:02 -!- Vesto has quit [*.net *.split] 06:27:02 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 06:27:02 -!- jazmu has quit [*.net *.split] 06:27:02 -!- siepu has quit [*.net *.split] 06:27:02 -!- Kramin 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Use !messages to read it. 09:09:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so that the _transformation_is_safe call won't print anything if transform wouldn't print anything 09:10:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I was also kind of thinking of passing &msg instead of fail_reason in the same call but I'd have to think about that some more 09:12:30 <|amethyst> !tell johnny0 btw, if you want less faster notification, I use have a CGI that does open POKE, ">", "/home/szorg/src/cheibriados/dat/poke"; print "Content-type: text/plain\r\n\r\nPoked\r\n"; then point a github webhook at its URL 09:12:30 |amethyst: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 09:14:46 <|amethyst> !tell johnny0 err, "faster notification", not "less faster" :) 09:14:47 |amethyst: OK, I'll let johnny0 know. 09:17:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:19:32 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:27:40 oh, uh, _transformation_is_safe is broken for tree form 09:28:00 namely it lets you do things like quaff !lif in dragon form over deep water 09:28:49 yeah, looks like I broke that 09:33:32 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:51 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:28 Antique shop sells identified weapon. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9928 by Kadarus 09:51:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:22 -!- Gogrut has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:26 should antique shops be banned from selling unrands? 10:00:41 (besides misfortune) 10:01:12 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:19 -!- Siveran_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:06 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1724-g732e340: Properly check that quaffing lignification is safe 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/732e340ec772 10:02:06 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1725-gc7ba09c: Fix failure messages when quaffing lignification (|amethyst) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7ba09c33aca 10:03:30 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:04:35 wheals: would be cool if they could just be listed as generic artefacts 10:05:23 but I guess that breaks how we've made them fully ided on purpose 10:07:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:12:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:35 -!- kecj_fefe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:15:04 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:19:13 -!- swartzcr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:20:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:30:51 -!- Kadarus has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:34:37 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35:09 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:29 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Bye bye] 10:41:10 should quaffing !mut (if it's already id'd) just go through rMut like !benemut does? 10:42:41 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:07 i don't know if that's nicer interface-wise than my fix to prompt you to remove it first 10:46:10 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:47 -!- omniscient has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:27 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:46 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 10:49:07 gammafunk: can't you just work around that the same way robe of misfortune is unidentified 10:52:35 is there any particular reason unrands were changed anyway? please don't tell me it's because of tiles 10:54:21 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:59:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:45 -!- BOTBrad has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:06 yeah, I'm not sure what the reasoning was for making them fully ided. I guess might be annoying to wear/wield-id even ignoring robe of misfortune 11:04:16 because the old way was dumb? 11:04:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:05:19 well I don't really know what the problems where hence "not sure" 11:06:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:06:25 why should we hide what the artefact is when you can just look it up wherever? 11:07:21 I'm not trying to begin a debate wheals, I don't know exactly how the old ones displayed 11:07:48 there was a period when unrands were unidentified but had unique tiles 11:08:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:19 well, they also always had unique names as well 11:08:23 yes 11:08:36 yeah, they'd need to be randomized like misfortune is 11:08:50 not sure it's worth changing any of that just for how they show in antique shops 11:09:29 it would be kind of cool to just pick up an artefact glaive and see it's glaive of the guard 11:09:47 but it gets pretty weird for things that have a base type that seems very different from the weapon itself 11:09:59 yeah, and i guess that was a thing for people who weren't spoiled as well 11:10:10 I'm not sure if that's really a problem seeing how you have distressingly furry randarts 11:10:12 a little is lost there 11:10:24 how do you tell what kind of armour a piece of body armour even is if it's distressingly furry 11:10:30 who knows what's buried under that thing 11:10:45 no I mean, it tells you the base type 11:10:52 so for wyrmbane, what do we show? 11:11:30 wyrmbane's basetype is just a modified spear 11:11:36 @?? goblin ; spear unrand:wyrmbane 11:11:36 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 11:12:06 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:49 yeah that's it's base type under the hood; anyhow I guess the fact that it's of that base type is also displayed in the item info 11:12:53 so there's not really any confusion 11:13:10 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:13:43 oh, one weird one is crown of Dyrovepreva 11:13:43 which will show up as a hat 11:13:47 which it is! 11:13:58 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 11:14:17 ?/dyrovepreva 11:14:17 Matching terms (2): crown_of_dyrovepreva, dyrovepreva; entries (6): bronzehat[1]: see {crown of dyrovepreva} | crown[1]: see {crown of dyrovepreva} or {crown of eternal torment} | depoprovera[1]: see {crown of dyrovepreva} | dyro[1]: see {crown of dyrovepreva} | dyrovepreva[1]: see {crown of dyrovepreva} | jewlled_bronze_crown[1]: see {crown of Dyrovepreva} 11:14:24 jewelled bronze hat 11:15:07 a bit awkward if you find a steaming hat that turns out to the be the crown 11:15:28 maybe you were hallucinating 11:21:52 -!- teukkam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:34 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:26:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:47:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:48:43 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:48:46 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:52:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:26 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:01:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:56 -!- smltlk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03:22 -!- Medice2 is now known as medice 12:05:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:07:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:09:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:14:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:15:27 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:18:39 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:19:29 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:22:05 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:31:33 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:36:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:33 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:02 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:52:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53:15 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 13:06:51 -!- omniscient is now known as Guest23583 13:07:08 Poncheis (L18 HOFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 2834 (Snake:3) 13:08:00 Poncheis (L18 HOFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 2834 (Snake:3) 13:10:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:17:55 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:21:21 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:31 Cheers 13:22:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 13:25:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1725-gc7ba09c (34) 13:31:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:33:20 does anyone have any idea why dragontroll does more damage than other races with identical stats and skills 13:33:26 or should I mantis this 13:35:47 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:24 !source player::has_claws 13:38:24 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l6886 13:38:38 hm 13:38:41 so not that 13:39:09 dragon form says it melds claws under A 13:39:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:34 i was making sure it wasn't adding the numbers anyway 13:40:37 4tharraofdagon (L16 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 1086 (Depths:2) 13:41:11 did you do an fsim? 13:41:16 yes 13:41:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:41:43 I expected vs > tr/gh/fe > rest ut tr actually falls between the first two 13:41:50 *but 13:48:05 okay well I mutated claws 3 with a human 13:48:21 mysteriously dragon form damage went up, A still says claws are suppressed 13:49:36 so for some reason claws do actually carry over to dragon form 13:49:47 idk if troll gets claws 6 or what since all dragons chop hydra heads 13:51:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:11 // Claw damage only applies for bare hands. 13:52:11 if (you.has_usable_claws()) 13:52:11 damage += you.has_claws(false) * 2; 13:52:31 so false means it pretends you're untransformed 13:53:04 fsim? 13:53:13 hm? 13:53:21 as in, is that a fsim bug 13:53:26 no, it's attack.cc 13:53:42 i think it was broken by 13:53:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:53:43 %git 1efa36264b85ee7b 13:53:44 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-3579-g1efa362: Fix claws when transformed. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 28+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1efa36264b85 13:53:48 (which fixed something else) 13:54:02 actaully, just lich claws i guess 13:54:16 for four years nobody noticed trolldragon does more damage than other dragons 13:54:19 I can only wonder why! 13:55:00 how long did the monster elemental attacks thing go unnoticed? 13:56:40 for that matter nobody noticed 13:56:43 -!- pikaro has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:56:44 ??epic bugs[-1 13:56:45 epic bugs[24/24]: The git commit e0bdd66 roughly doubled player melee damage. This was not fixed until around halfway through the 0.16 tournament. http://s-z.org/neil/images/logicbug.jpg 13:56:50 until well into the tournament 13:57:04 I did, sort of 13:57:20 a lot of my tourney chars used one-handed weapons and I found it really bizarre I could actually kill stuff 13:58:09 99% of the time I stick to two-handers but I blamed it on rngod and crawl/melee being weird 13:58:13 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:59:42 wait a second 14:00:02 does this mean that claws increase the damage when you're throwing 14:00:15 fsim doesn't work with throwing 14:00:29 I guess I could throw stones at a training dummy 14:00:39 oh never mind, it overrides calc_base_unarmed_damage 14:00:41 so it shouldn't 14:02:02 hm 14:02:25 the simplest way to fix this is to give all races the damage that trolls have right now 14:02:31 speaking of throwing, it needs a nerf. One way to do that would be to go back to having throwing damage work like normal weapon damage. Another would be to just multiply the damage done by 0.75% or something. 14:02:48 Has anyone thought about how to improve it? 14:02:51 would that make dragon form OP 14:03:06 s/is to give/would result in giving/ 14:03:40 probably not a big boost to dragonform specifically 14:03:44 it already does huge damage 14:04:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:04:54 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:33 it would increase base damage by 6 14:05:50 currently it's 12 + str*2/3 14:06:25 -!- rossi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:37 hmm, that does seem big 14:07:20 +33% damage at 9 str, + 25% at 18 str. 14:07:35 OTOH, it's what kilobyte almost certainly meant to do in that commit 14:07:36 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:08:04 though dform damage was 20 + str back then 14:09:18 also it was fire/tmut so basically no-one use it on non-dr :p 14:09:27 i'll go with it, since it's obviously what the code wants to be doing 14:09:34 *used 14:09:42 if we want to change it, as the commit says we can reduce that to 6 + str*2/3 14:09:46 and have no changes 14:10:20 true 14:10:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:13:06 well, there still would be a change in the case of tr/fe but screw 'em 14:17:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:31 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-1726-ge1969b5: Fix dragon form doing more damage if you had the claws mutation (kvaak). 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1969b56c382 14:22:10 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:27:20 so, no takers on throwing nerfs? 14:31:42 apply all of them 14:32:57 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:30 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37:34 Lasty_: if you asked, and nobody complained, assume everyone is on board. 14:37:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:38 only after your swamp worm work =P 14:43:32 dpeg: haha 14:43:45 but I don't know what I want to do w/ it yet! 14:43:49 I was hoping to discuss it 14:44:38 is this in the context of ranged reform? 14:45:11 guess i'd better go take advantage of current throwing before you nref it 14:45:17 *nerf 14:48:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:53 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:49 wheals: I was thinking in the context of pre-ranged-reform, since it's taking me a long time 14:52:57 wheals: and throwing damage really is out of control right now 14:53:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:55:17 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:18 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:06 mhm 15:01:12 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:01:31 well, i think making it more like other weapons makes sense 15:03:06 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 15:04:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:09:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:13:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:03 Lasty_: hey, I thought you already asked :) Been away for four weeks! 15:19:11 !seen greensnark 15:19:11 I last saw greensnark at Fri Aug 7 10:49:17 2015 UTC (3w 8h 29m 52s ago) joining the channel. 15:19:35 dpeg: oh, gotcha :) 15:19:53 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:40 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:25 duvessa suggests changing Searing Ray interface to bringing up new targeter each time (instead of pressing . to keep going). I agree that the current interface is problematic. I suggest that 'z' acts like 'z'+{letter for Searing Ray}. What do you think? (This is not for an immediate change, just for my reply in the forum.) 15:29:44 why not just have it give bonuses if you cast it repeatedly 15:29:53 I suggest changing searing ray into a l9 conj involving a gigantic, los-range, three-tile wide penetrating laser beam of doom 15:32:40 i don't see why it shouldn't just stay locked on to its original target if that target happens to move out of the original raycast 15:32:47 -!- Guest15868 is now known as Wensley 15:32:56 but either/or also seem like viable alternative 15:32:58 s\ 15:33:02 me type good 15:34:44 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-1721-gdaca452: Serpent of Hell tiles (CanOfWorms) 10(24 seconds ago, 5 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/daca452c7502 15:34:44 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-1728-g6b42b64: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:crawl/crawl 10(12 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b42b646a954 15:35:00 ugggh 15:35:14 why, git, why 15:37:54 hm 15:38:16 need to redraw a bunch of abyss denizens 15:40:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:09 hi there! 15:41:14 timing is everything? 15:44:21 :o 15:45:11 kind of wish I could put more effort into not making soh recolours but that'll have to do for now 15:45:12 also 15:45:15 I had a smoke demon 15:45:55 http://i.imgur.com/ByO4eTz.png 15:46:18 I hope those soh tiles look good against the hell tilesets too 15:46:22 can always edit them further 15:46:46 i checked them out in-game, i changed the colors a bit 15:47:02 coc in particular was basically the same color as the floor so now it's more cyan 15:47:04 ah, good 15:47:09 I am only talking about the interface for SR, nothing else. 15:47:42 basic idea of the smoke demon is pretty good but i'm not a fan of those arms 15:48:02 they don't match the rest of him 15:48:12 it, her, whatever 15:48:16 heh 15:48:25 what did you have in mind? 15:48:39 dunno 15:48:44 really it could just not have arms 15:48:46 i guess? 15:48:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 15:49:53 i think the main problem is the arm on our left 15:50:08 the right one looks better 15:53:47 i need to remake my list of tiles that should get fixed 15:54:11 most of the stuff on it's been done 15:54:41 :toot: 15:54:51 http://puu.sh/jRU48/a4888e371c.png 15:54:56 how's this look 15:56:35 hm 15:56:45 better 15:57:14 i'd have to see it in-game, i think 15:58:00 http://i.imgur.com/x3hDhVI.png 15:58:08 there's the tile with transparency 15:58:14 don't have time to compile and test on my end :v 16:01:32 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:54 hm 16:02:14 i feel like it has the same problem the old shadow demon did 16:02:42 the smoke is complex enough that it just ends up looking like noise :( 16:03:23 not sure what to do about it 16:04:20 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:10:09 try this version: http://i.imgur.com/CcMkXRs.png 16:13:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:18:34 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:19:20 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 16:21:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:29:32 -!- gressup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:30:08 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/smoke.png 16:31:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:33:38 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:48 could work 16:35:39 gas is hard 16:35:41 :Y 16:36:11 readable gas is hard 16:37:16 -!- chaos_realm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:37:46 fr change all tiles into a description of the tile 16:38:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:05 although I'm not sure if you can fit "a poisoned, berserk gnoll wielding a runed spear with 1/5 of its hp remaining" comfortaly in 32x32 px 16:42:30 unless newcorr changed acid damage too, I'm fairly sure it didn't 16:42:35 kvaak: that's 1024 pixels in, what, like 24-bit color? that's 24KB of information per tile! plenty of room to convey any relevant information once the player memorizes a suitable encoding scheme 16:43:44 that's actually a good point 16:44:21 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:46 even if you left a blank space between pixels you could still fit 512 letters in it and you'd only need to memorize 26 colours! 16:44:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:49 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:52 with that much information mnoleg's tile could easily hold a description of him and even point out he's actually an upside down killer klown! 16:46:51 :D 16:47:30 who did the current dis tileset 16:47:37 because i really want to change it 16:48:26 ontoclasm: dispater will be insulted 16:48:42 papa dis got a brand new tileset 16:49:12 Pimp My Hell 16:50:17 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-1729-g99b3f8b: Smoke demon tile (CanOfWorms) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/99b3f8b44c8e 16:50:17 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-1730-gd7f4977: Spider rock tiles (Bloax, 9453) 10(26 seconds ago, 16 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d7f4977768e6 16:50:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:55:45 there are a lot of walls that need replacing :C 16:55:47 and floors 16:55:58 rip pink spider's nest 16:56:00 but i am really really bad and walls and floors 16:56:04 at* 16:56:13 kvaak: it's still purple! just less so 16:56:17 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56:17 r i p 16:57:21 uggh 16:57:51 -!- st_ has quit [] 16:57:57 can i just like 16:58:03 delete stone_brick 16:58:03 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:16 it's so icky 16:58:53 also it's used for rock half the time and stone the other half of the time, awesome 16:59:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:58 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:08 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:04:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:05:17 in vault definitions, c is stone, right? 17:05:46 ontoclasm: yeah 17:06:17 you can check at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt#L22 17:06:20 wonderful :[ 17:06:25 thanks 17:06:29 that's like 17:06:44 20 different vaults that are using tiles for stone that aren't stone tiles 17:08:02 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:37 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:50 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:15:23 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:20:38 development seems kinda slow recently 17:20:49 or maybe it's just me being out of touch 17:23:16 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:26:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:29:58 ontoclasm: it's been pretty slow 17:33:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:34:57 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-1731-g129c023: Smooth stone walls (white_noise) 10(3 minutes ago, 27 files, 21+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/129c0238a435 17:35:36 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:38 ontoclasm: is that just a new tile? 17:37:52 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:01 yep 17:39:19 i dumped the old set, since they were mediocre 17:39:26 -!- Dibblz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39:30 and also being used for stone while not looking like stone 17:42:43 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:05 ah 17:50:21 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:53:08 hmm, what tiles are used for dis? 17:53:20 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:56 the floor is floor/iron 17:54:08 and, oh 17:54:13 the walls are wall/iron 17:54:35 i am genuinely surprised that the names are that straightforward 17:55:19 the walls are particularly eye-searing 17:57:07 -!- wxtv is now known as xtwv 17:57:55 okay 17:58:20 heh 18:00:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:03 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:00:34 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:00:46 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:00 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:05:06 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:52 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1731-g129c023 (34) 18:10:09 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:15:26 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:05 -!- Snizzop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:22:57 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:12 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:46:00 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 18:48:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:51:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:13 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:00:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:22 -!- BOTBrad_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:31 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:03:11 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:52 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:03:52 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:03:54 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:23 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:09:14 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:42:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 19:43:40 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:46:36 dpeg: I was just about to do something about that archaeo post about you, then you went and thanked it! 19:46:46 gammafunk: :) 19:47:31 He is spot on: every time someone whines about MD removal, there's an orgasm at dpeg HQ... very profusely, to say the least. 19:47:39 haha 19:49:01 * dpeg starts wondering if there is some other removal target with similar success chances. 19:53:47 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:55:03 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:55:40 <|amethyst> elves 19:55:47 <|amethyst> all of them 19:55:53 <|amethyst> s/all/both/ 19:58:19 |amethyst: balance that out with the addition of mountain stalkers 19:59:08 |amethyst: not my elves! 19:59:09 <|amethyst> nah, just adjust felid aptitudes to fill in some of the gap left by DE 19:59:35 certainly not deep elves! they're fun 20:00:15 * gammafunk begins reciting in ##crawl-dev from the Book of Elves... 20:00:41 !lg devteamnp DE-- s=name 20:00:42 4094 games for devteamnp (DE--): 1289x Neil, 440x rob, 387x gammafunk, 292x 78291, 277x sorear, 184x KiloByte, 164x wheals, 135x SGrunt, 120x erisdiscordia, 117x MarvinPA, 112x bh, 104x mumra, 71x doy, 56x pointless, 52x bookofjude, 47x ontoclasm, 36x Zaba, 31x itsmu, 29x evilmike, 28x elliptic, 25x Medar, 22x SamB, 19x dpeg, 19x reaver, 18x haranp, 7x felirx, 6x Keskitalo, 3x Lasty, Sage, jpeg, P... 20:00:50 wow 20:00:56 <|amethyst> !lg . s=+crace 20:00:57 11093 games for |amethyst: 1289x Deep Elf, 1020x Demonspawn, 735x Merfolk, 664x Tengu, 591x Spriggan, 550x High Elf, 514x Hill Orc, 454x Naga, 424x Troll, 405x Human, 405x Gargoyle, 404x Kobold, 365x Minotaur, 360x Octopode, 305x Centaur, 292x Draconian, 230x Mummy, 222x Vampire, 218x Djinni, 213x Demigod, 206x Sludge Elf, 199x Felid, 167x Ogre, 157x Ghoul, 155x Halfling, 142x Vine Stalker, 135x D... 20:00:57 !lg neil s=crace 20:00:58 11092 games for neil: 1289x Deep Elf, 1020x Demonspawn, 735x Merfolk, 664x Tengu, 591x Spriggan, 549x High Elf, 514x Hill Orc, 454x Naga, 424x Troll, 405x Human, 405x Gargoyle, 404x Kobold, 365x Minotaur, 360x Octopode, 305x Centaur, 292x Draconian, 230x Mummy, 222x Vampire, 218x Djinni, 213x Demigod, 206x Sludge Elf, 199x Felid, 167x Ogre, 157x Ghoul, 155x Halfling, 142x Vine Stalker, 135x Deep D... 20:01:09 <|amethyst> !lg . s=+crace !boring 20:01:10 10016 games for |amethyst (!boring): 1179x Deep Elf, 874x Demonspawn, 676x Merfolk, 634x Tengu, 549x Spriggan, 515x High Elf, 482x Hill Orc, 425x Naga, 393x Troll, 371x Gargoyle, 369x Kobold, 342x Minotaur, 340x Octopode, 280x Centaur, 261x Draconian, 208x Vampire, 206x Mummy, 205x Djinni, 202x Human, 191x Sludge Elf, 189x Demigod, 185x Felid, 154x Ogre, 142x Halfling, 134x Ghoul, 129x Deep Dwarf,... 20:01:20 impressive, you and logicninja should form a clan 20:01:24 !lg 20:01:25 318. amalloy the Petrodigitator (L27 DDEE of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-08-10 21:21:34, with 13798693 points after 116934 turns and 1d+0:45:27. 20:01:31 !lg logicninja DE-- 20:01:32 3018. LogicNinja the Conjurer (L6 DECj), mangled by a river rat (summoned by Eustachio) on D:4 on 2015-08-28 19:22:04, with 406 points after 3281 turns and 0:03:42. 20:01:40 |amethyst has played 4 times as many deep elves as i have played games 20:01:43 I guess you have a ways to catch up to him 20:01:48 <|amethyst> !unplayed logicninja 20:01:54 Unplayed combos for logicninja: FoIE, VSAM, DDVM, DDSk, DDAM, CeAs, VSHu, FoFE, DDTm, DDFE, GrAM, HaSu, HaCj, CeEn, CeVM, HOVM, FoNe, HaVM, MiEn, MiAs, GrAE, GhHu, CeAr, FoAE, CeNe, GrNe, DEAK, CeSu, HaEE, DDAs, MiSu, GhSu, GhEn, TrVM, GhAK, DDMo, NaAr, MfEE, HEEE, TrAE, GhAr, MiIE, DDAE, FoSu, GhAM, TrSk, VpHu, MfAM, MiEE, FoCj, DDWz, DDEn, GrEn, HOTm, HaFE, HOAs, TrSu, DrAM, CeSk, CeFE, GrAr, Mf... 20:01:56 <|amethyst> !unplayed neil 20:02:02 Unplayed combos for neil: CeAs, GhEn, TrAE, GhAs, GhVM, OgAs, HaGl, VSCK, FoGl, SpFi, HaSk, DEAs, KoGl, VSNe, GhCK, MuVM, OgTm, OgCK, OpAr, DgFi, VpWz 20:02:13 haha, hate those ghouls I guess 20:02:13 !greatrace DE 20:02:17 <|amethyst> huh, what 20:02:17 elliptic is a greaterdeepelf! 20:02:23 <|amethyst> !lg . kogl 20:02:23 No games for |amethyst (kogl). 20:02:24 can remove them then 20:02:30 <|amethyst> really never played a kogl? 20:02:32 <|amethyst> huh 20:02:38 !lg devteamnp HE-- s=name 20:02:39 4172 games for devteamnp (HE--): 2051x gammafunk, 549x Neil, 463x wheals, 194x SGrunt, 157x 78291, 136x erisdiscordia, 74x MarvinPA, 62x sorear, 56x evilmike, 52x KiloByte, 51x rob, 41x dpeg, 30x pointless, 28x ontoclasm, 27x bh, 24x elliptic, 23x evktalo, 22x bookofjude, 21x mumra, 20x doy, 16x reaver, 15x SamB, 15x itsmu, 13x Medar, 11x PleasingFungus, 7x Lasty, 7x Zaba, 3x edlothiol, 3x felirx,... 20:02:44 high elves can go 20:02:56 they are flightless tengu 20:03:11 Well, no 20:03:25 ontoclasm: hm, that's actually pretty accurate isn't it 20:04:00 they have significantly less ac, and less hp! 20:04:15 I guess it depends on if you mean design wise or winrate wise 20:04:53 <|amethyst> I guess better armour aptitude doesn't make up for one and a half slots 20:05:07 <|amethyst> !lg * te recent won x=avg(ac) 20:05:08 248 games for * (te recent won): avg(ac)=28.9 20:05:10 <|amethyst> !lg * he recent won x=avg(ac) 20:05:11 he is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use he-- (High Elf) or --he (Healer) to disambiguate 20:05:15 <|amethyst> !lg * he-- recent won x=avg(ac) 20:05:15 299 games for * (he-- recent won): avg(ac)=30.77 20:05:18 and they meant tengu there, not HE, since that was confusing 20:05:28 <|amethyst> ah 20:05:35 !lg * te recent won x=avg(ev) 20:05:36 248 games for * (te recent won): avg(ev)=38.1 20:05:41 !lg * he-- recent won x=avg(ev) 20:05:42 299 games for * (he-- recent won): avg(ev)=33.9 20:05:54 !lg * te recent won x=avg(mmhp) 20:05:54 248 games for * (te recent won): avg(mmhp)=187.83 20:05:58 !lg * he-- recent won x=avg(mmhp) 20:05:59 299 games for * (he-- recent won): avg(mmhp)=210.33 20:08:08 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08:18 solution: high tengu 20:09:57 Te feel just very squishy, I guess, but I've played so few 20:10:56 HE and Te feel sort of similarly squishy IMO despite HE having more HP 20:11:02 with much slower leveling, the difference in 10% hp between HE and Te at most stages of the game is probably even less than 10% 20:11:08 well yeah, i was being flippant 20:11:53 ...fr: remove exp apt 20:12:13 the only thing it really does is act as a secret extra hp apt 20:12:29 yeah, the exp apt is part of it 20:12:36 and i guess mr slightly 20:12:52 also Te has pretty good melee in early game because of auxes 20:14:11 ontoclasm: it's also piety apt 20:15:07 is it really? 20:15:13 yes 20:15:19 yeah i guess that makes sense, but is uh 20:15:26 !apt HE 20:15:26 HE: Fighting: 0, Short: 2, Long: 2!, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 3!, Xbows: 0, Throw: 1, Armour: -1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 2, Shields: -1, UC: -2*, Splcast: 1, Conj: 1, Hexes: 0, Charms: 2, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: -1, HP: -1, MP: 1 20:15:29 "non-obvious" 20:15:30 !apt te 20:15:31 Te: Fighting: 0, Short: 1, Long: 1, Axes: 1, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: 1, Slings: 0, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 1, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: 3!, Hexes: -3, Charms: -2, Summ: 2!, Nec: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: 3!, Earth: -3*, Poison: 0, Inv: -1*, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 1 20:15:39 wow, -1, never knew 20:16:06 !apt longblades 20:16:07 Could not understand "longblades" 20:16:24 !apt longblade 20:16:25 Could not understand "longblade" 20:16:29 !apt long 20:16:29 er 20:16:29 Long: Mi: 2!, HE: 2!, Mf: 1, HO: 1, Te: 1, Vp: 0, Ha: 0, Na: 0, Fo: 0, Hu: 0, DD: 0, Dr: 0, Op: 0, Fe: N/A, Ds: -1, Gr: -1, DE: -1, Dg: -1, Ce: -1, VS: -1, Gh: -1, Ko: -2, Mu: -2, Sp: -2, Tr: -2, Og: -3* 20:16:31 long apt is long 20:16:40 short apt is short but also longer than long 20:19:03 it always confused me as to where summoning 2 on tengu came from 20:19:20 well someone has to have >1 on everything 20:19:26 except exp I guess 20:20:53 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:21:01 I thought it was just analogous to the 3 in conjurations: a bonus to both general offensive magic schools 20:21:29 yeah probably so 20:25:48 oh, and UC 20:26:04 that one doesn't have >1 either 20:27:14 fr: a species with 2 UC and -3 everything else 20:27:21 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:24 so basically UC Og? 20:27:28 yes 20:27:33 Fist Ogres 20:28:23 http://orig11.deviantart.net/588b/f/2013/207/2/3/gripper_by_teano-d6fa1fp.jpg 20:28:31 fantasy general had these delightful fellows called grippers 20:28:36 that's basically what Tr is already 20:29:23 but they don't have +2 UC, they must be shit at it 20:29:48 -!- Zeia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 20:32:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:36:51 -!- Guest23583 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:56 New branch created: pull/104 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/104 20:38:56 03Bodrick02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/104 * 0.17-a0-1732-gd8b66aa: Don't interrupt recitals if reading was aborted 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8b66aa1547b 20:40:41 <|amethyst> He himself might his quietus make with a bare bodrick 20:41:53 Fire and Ice don't really have a species with +2; only red/white dr which are a subspecies 20:41:58 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:42:06 but at least they exist! 20:42:08 at least not one you can actually choose at game start, anyhow 20:42:49 well have taupe draconians with shadow creature breath and +2 summonings then 20:43:04 innate warding 20:43:07 breath of abjuration 20:43:10 toupee draconians? 20:43:19 <|amethyst> kvaak: too topical 20:43:31 draconians can't wear toupees 20:43:46 <|amethyst> pretty sure toupees count as hats, not helmets 20:43:48 summons aren't very soothing like taupe is, I suppose 20:44:12 the funny thing about taupe is that it's mole in french :v 20:44:34 mole draconian 20:45:04 <|amethyst> that's where the English word comes from in fact 20:50:28 hrm, how do the /pull//merge refs work? 20:51:10 some kind of automaticly created merge refs? 20:56:45 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 21:02:19 <|amethyst> yes, it's what github uses to show "This commit can be automagically merged" or not 21:02:29 <|amethyst> s/gic/tic/ # whatever 21:03:22 <|amethyst> https://developer.github.com/v3/pulls/#mergability 21:03:39 <|amethyst> I think that is where it comes from anyway 21:04:07 <|amethyst> Chei ignores those for obvious reasons 21:04:16 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:07:40 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 21:19:39 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:32:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:32:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:33:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:50 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:40:29 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:47:41 -!- Dibblz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:51:20 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:57:06 -!- filthy has quit [Quit: please don't look for me] 22:00:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:21 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:57 -!- Tpain has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:12:37 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:13:28 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:53 kvaak fantasy general rocked 22:36:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:05 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:46:54 gammafunk: yes, when you submit a PR github creates a ref in the parent repo that mirrors the one in the child fork 22:47:26 <|amethyst> amalloy: that describes /pull/N/head, but he was asking about /pull/N/merge 22:47:31 well, yeah what |amethyst 22:47:34 said 22:47:38 <|amethyst> which AFAIK does not usually match anything in the parent repo 22:47:50 it makes a test merge ref in /pull/N/merge 22:47:55 oh, i see 22:47:57 <|amethyst> s/usually // # even if the trees were the same the commits would be different 22:48:13 apparently it might make merge-conflicted and merge-clean refs as well? 22:48:17 based on how the merge went 22:48:41 <|amethyst> hm, hadn't seen those 22:48:56 that was mentioned in this online answer I found, but this might be under the old api or something 22:49:42 the instrutions github gives you for checking out a pr for testing are kind of inconvenient 22:49:57 because they force you to go online to check the details of which repo to pull from 22:50:23 I usually checkout /pull/N/head instead, but that's tied to the current API, which can change I guess 23:03:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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