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ZZZzzz…] 09:16:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:23:49 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:07 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:48 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:25 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:27 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45:34 hrm, we might want to tell lothar to not merge master into his branch 09:55:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:17 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:26 ldierk: ok, I'm getting a bunch of odd whitespace in your messages 10:03:47 (which are fine to make here in -dev by the way :) ) 10:04:33 I don't see them. But Pidgin does not seem ideal for IRC anyway 10:04:53 odd whitespace in messages might be OTR 10:05:24 ldierk: yeah, I see you are in the mailmap, thanks 10:05:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:05:49 hrm, but in that case why is it not showing up 10:05:55 are you using a different email for these commits 10:06:05 we have ldierk 10:06:07 in the mailmap 10:06:14 thats fine 10:06:34 well, the idea is it needs to match what all you use 10:06:40 so that we see the shortened names from Cheibriados 10:06:53 I made the commits using the googlemail adress 10:06:55 and that the name displayed is consistent as well, although that's not a problem here 10:06:58 hrm 10:07:12 wonder if it just doesn't work for commits from a PR branch for some reason 10:07:34 That was my intention at least 10:08:18 commit 521e0512c5ca70ad5e3cc7bfa2bf5c95a255b879 10:08:18 Author: Lothar Dierkes 10:08:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:10:10 well in the pr it's Author: Lothar Dierkes 10:10:16 oh, the merge 10:10:28 the actual change was your googlemail address, but the merge was not 10:10:54 did something change recently about monster fleeing behaviour if they cant reach you? 10:11:29 i just shot a hydra through one plant in a basically open area and it fled out of los 10:11:48 ldierk: so I'm not sure why, but the merge commit was using your other meail address; that commit will be rebased out anyhow, but just fyi 10:11:57 s/meail/email/ 10:13:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:25 jeanjacques: I don't recall any AI changes like that. You expected it to try to kill the plant to get to you? 10:13:51 no it was just a single plant at the edge of a wall. 10:13:55 really weird 10:14:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:14:39 i think they've always done that? 10:14:45 oh, yeah that is odd. So when you say they can't reach you, you mean there is a path for the monster to the player, but it's just not adjacent at present? 10:14:53 |amethyst did change some AI behavior a few weeks ago 10:15:01 that had to do with being blocked 10:15:15 maybe because the direct path to me was blocked by that one plant it choose that ai 10:20:17 it is easily reproducable behaviour at least 10:22:13 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:23:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:24:55 hm primary email at github was gitana.is 10:26:21 03ldierk02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1568-gc5381f6: use unwind_bool typedef 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5381f6e3548 10:26:43 ldierk: did you merge using the github.com website? 10:26:50 Ah i didn't pay attentiopn the merge commit . I did the first commit with "git -c user.email" 10:27:04 gammafunk: No but see the message before. 10:27:19 ah, maybe you should just set your user.email for the repo 10:27:47 with git config I mean 10:28:06 I'll do that 10:32:06 -!- ldierk has left ##crawl-dev 10:34:07 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:34:14 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:22 -!- ldierk has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:04 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:24 -!- zirco has quit [Client Quit] 10:46:26 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:49:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:51:19 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:56:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:58:55 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:20:06 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:26 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:42:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:42:42 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:44:12 -!- vible has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44:25 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:48 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:03 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:57:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:05:03 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:05:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:11:29 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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[2015-07-22 17:16:26] dpeg the Devastator (L22 HESk of Gozag) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 93378. (Vaults:5) 13:21:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:29:47 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:30:46 -!- FourHTwoA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:30 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:33:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:49:45 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 13:49:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:11 !greaterplayer 13:51:16 Unwon backgrounds for Xenobreeder: Arcane Marksman, Artificer, Assassin, Conjurer, Necromancer, Skald, Venom Mage, Wizard 13:51:22 Oops, wrong channel, sorry. 13:53:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:53:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:55:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:56:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:37 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 13:58:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:50 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:08:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:19 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:12:20 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:23 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:04 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:34:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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15:18:04 <|amethyst> it seems weird that the phial can "douse terribly" hellions but not fire elementals 15:18:36 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:37 <|amethyst> I ask because I was going to fix the problem here: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17032 15:18:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:18:47 <|amethyst> by adding water vulnerability to xv 15:19:10 <|amethyst> but it will lie and say that fire elementals are water vulnerable, even though that is actually cancelled out by their holiness 15:20:14 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20:24 i dunno, they're like...pure elemental fire, hot enough that the water isn't really a concern? you can make up some weird justification like i just did, but really i expected them to be water vulnerable 15:21:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:24:56 -!- BOTBrad_ has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:25:16 huh i would have assumed that water vulnerability was tied to is_fiery 15:26:27 also wow, sun demons and balrugs aren't fiery 15:27:27 New branch created: more-xv-resists (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/more-xv-resists 15:27:27 03|amethyst02 07[more-xv-resists] * 0.17-a0-1569-g9d3b0d5: List rWind, rSticky, and rWater- in xv (le_nerd) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d3b0d5783c3 15:32:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:38:14 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:39:32 -!- FourHTwoA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:09 Good evening. 15:42:42 GL init failure prints error only to the console 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9868 by neil 15:45:41 -!- DDFig has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:47:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:53:21 how do you guys feel about changing "evoking this partially-identified wand" to "evoking this unidentified wand"? it's not possible to evoke a wand that is any less identified 15:54:09 Partially identified in that it is known, so you can toggle its pickup rules. 15:54:55 <|amethyst> what would we call a wand on the ground then? 15:56:09 Partially seen? 15:56:10 well the \\ menu calls them "items not yet recognized". nothing in the game calls them unidentified *now* afaik, so i don't really see why we're worried about what to call them 15:56:28 Seen -> Known -> Identified? 15:56:47 <|amethyst> An ivory wand. 15:56:47 <|amethyst> An unusually magical sort of stick. 15:56:47 <|amethyst> If evoked without being fully identified, several charges will be wasted out of 15:56:50 <|amethyst> unfamiliarity with the device. 15:56:53 <|amethyst> Stash search prefixes: {wand} 15:56:55 <|amethyst> Menu/colouring prefixes: unidentified wand 15:57:10 <|amethyst> I guess that's only a technical section 15:57:27 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:47 <|amethyst> But I don't think it would reduce confusion at all to call wands "unidentified" when other items in the same state would not be called that 15:58:33 there's nothing else in that state 15:58:51 in fact there's one thing that already implicitly calls partially-identified wands "unidentified": ?id scrolls. if you read one with nothing identifiable in your inventory, it says you have nothing unidentified. if you have a "partially identified" wand you don't get that warning, implying that the wand is actually unidentified 15:59:00 <|amethyst> hm 15:59:35 Maybe wands should identify on pickup. 15:59:40 Including charges. 15:59:53 FourHTwoA: i think it's nice that they don't, because it gives you some decisions about what to do with ?id 15:59:59 <|amethyst> Maybe all items should be identified always 16:00:03 Maybe. 16:00:04 <|amethyst> and we should get rid of ?id 16:00:12 <|amethyst> It's not what I wanted a couple of years ago 16:00:14 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:19 Some people like ?id games, and some people don't. 16:00:33 <|amethyst> but I think it would be better to pick a side 16:00:46 what do you mean, pick a side? 16:00:47 <|amethyst> rather than slowly drifting towards that one piece at a time 16:01:02 <|amethyst> I mean, decide "we do want identification to exist and be meaningful" or "we don't" 16:01:24 <|amethyst> rather than "we want to eliminate most identification, but leave a little bit as a homage to the past" 16:01:33 How easy will that debate be to resolve? 16:01:37 <|amethyst> which is what the current state feels like to me 16:01:55 <|amethyst> FourHTwoA: easy, someone implements it, then no one else feels like doing the work to revert 16:02:08 Haha. 16:02:52 Anyone have recommendations for how I can learn enough C to patch crawl? I'm terrible at low-level languages. 16:03:00 I'm mostly a python guy 16:03:01 <|amethyst> plathrop: you should learn C++ instead 16:03:19 <|amethyst> it's not as low-level as C, in one sense (but just as low-level, in another sense) 16:03:23 (well, a Lisp guy, but could never find a Lisp job *shakes jealous fist at amalloy*) 16:03:50 |amethyst ah, then question amended. Good resources for me to learn enough C++ to be helpful with crawl? 16:04:12 plathrop: i can recommend eric lippert's advice on how to become an expert on something: find a place where questions about c (or c++) are being asked, and do enough research to answer questions usefully 16:04:18 -!- Tpain has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:04:30 <|amethyst> I have heard good things about Stroustrup's A Tour of C++ 16:04:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:40 "questions being asked" provides you with good starting points of useful things to look up, rather than the vague "i want to learn things, what do i do" you probably start with 16:04:54 yah, truth 16:05:06 you can also just, when a patch goes into crawl that interests you, read the patch, and try to understand what is going on 16:05:20 things you don't understand, try to look up online, and then ask in -dev if you still can't figure it out 16:05:21 <|amethyst> amalloy: that is exactly how I became an expert in shm 16:05:25 <|amethyst> amalloy: err, in sh 16:05:28 -!- keyp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:34 |amethyst: eric lippert's advice? 16:05:36 <|amethyst> by hanging out in ##bash and answering questions 16:05:41 that is how i figured out a lot of things, yes 16:05:45 amalloy: oh hey I hadn't thought of that one. I shall begin reading code. 16:05:58 I feel dumb for not trying that before 16:06:01 mostly clojure, git, and crawl 16:06:41 I shall also attempt to play less crawl and learn more C++ :-P 16:06:43 <|amethyst> plathrop: and if someone ever uses the phrase "C/C++", be wary of anything they say about C++ 16:06:47 haha 16:06:56 |amethyst: thanks for the tip 16:06:59 <|amethyst> plathrop: because chances are they don't know C++ (and maybe not C either :) 16:07:11 it's true. i have no C++ background but plenty of C background, and working in crawl's code is a lot less like C than i expected 16:07:41 <|amethyst> also be somewhat wary of advice written before 2011 16:07:46 I tried learning C last year, picked up the canonical C book. I usually learn best by doing, but when I couldn't even accomplish splitting a string after 2 months (granted 2 months of very limited spare time) I gave up 16:07:53 <|amethyst> because the language changed substantially for the better that year 16:08:10 It's possible to implement stuff in crawl without a programming background at all I think. 16:08:21 <|amethyst> FourHTwoA: some stuff 16:08:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:09:27 <|amethyst> it's for the most part fairly easy to add another thing that works like other things (a new monster, a new wand, a new beam spell, ...) 16:09:58 on an unrelated note, living in LA is still weird sometimes. apparently something with john travolta is being filmed downstairs 16:11:02 my trick is just to remove things, that's even easier! 16:11:37 MarvinPA: My favorite patches are the ones where I delete large swathes of code. 16:11:52 I just submitted one at work where the diff stats were +3 lines, -1000 lines 16:11:55 So satisfying 16:12:04 (actually not really because there's save compat and actually cleaning stuff up properly, but still) 16:13:15 <|amethyst> amalloy: http://i.imgur.com/VQsV8.jpg 16:13:29 lol 16:13:30 <|amethyst> http://thelosangelesbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/pcat22.jpg\ 16:13:35 <|amethyst> err, delete that \ 16:14:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:11 The build passed. (more-xv-resists - 9d3b0d5 #2988 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/72178564 16:14:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:14:33 i don't get it. what is the deal with the mars travolta? 16:15:14 <|amethyst> amalloy: there's a (recently defunct) band, The Mars Volta 16:15:27 <|amethyst> that's all, really 16:15:54 i see 16:20:13 <|amethyst> plathrop: one major, but easy to overlook, difference between C and C++ on the one hand; and Python and Java on the other: 16:20:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:50 <|amethyst> plathrop: in C++, objects are stored in the variable 16:21:03 <|amethyst> plathrop: meaning something like x = y; has to do a copy 16:22:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:15 <|amethyst> (and passing by value, returning by value, etc) 16:22:28 Ah, that will be a big difference for me 16:22:44 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 16:23:03 ??faq[orb of fire 16:23:04 faq[2/21]: Q: Why do orbs of fire have rDrown? A: if you happen to enslave a merfolk aquamancer on zot:5, I think the orb of fire's rDrown will reduce the wave spell damage 16:23:19 |amethyst: so is this still true or not or what? 16:23:22 <|amethyst> In modern C++ it's often a move instead of a copy (if the compiler can prove y will never be used again, e.g. if it's a temporary) 16:23:40 <|amethyst> @??orb of fire 16:23:40 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 16:23:48 <|amethyst> wheals: they have rDrown = 0 now 16:23:58 ha 16:24:12 <|amethyst> wheals: because their water vulnerability is cancelled out by their unbreathing 16:25:12 <|amethyst> plathrop: it's not necessarily that you should worry about that too much for performance, but it is important for semantics 16:25:21 plathrop: but you can create pointers explicitly, and then pass those around, and they act basically like object references in python or java. that's done often, but you have to (get to) choose when to do that or use actual whole objects 16:25:52 With great power comes great responsibility! :-P 16:26:08 <|amethyst> there is also invisible-at-site-of-call call-by-references 16:26:11 <|amethyst> s/ces/ce/ 16:26:49 that sounds scary 16:26:57 <|amethyst> Also: the lack of garbage collection is not merely a limitation or for speed 16:27:17 <|amethyst> it is fundamental to how the language works 16:27:32 <|amethyst> objects' destructors are called when the object goes out of scope 16:27:38 <|amethyst> deterministically 16:28:23 <|amethyst> for an example of what that allows, see: 16:28:25 <|amethyst> !source unwind.h 16:28:25 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/unwind.h 16:28:41 Wait, you mean being able to predict when your objects will be collected might be a good thing?!?!? *shock* (not shock) 16:29:20 <|amethyst> :) 16:29:29 I have a (slightly) radical DD overhaul idea, but before I bother to code anything, could you very briefly comment on whether it's a waste of time? 16:29:52 I will happily comment (but you should ignore me) :-P 16:30:15 <|amethyst> Is there a game designer in the house? 16:30:21 <|amethyst> because I'm certainly not one :) 16:31:07 <|amethyst> Likewise, I can comment, but you shouldn't necessarily listen to me 16:32:04 :) 16:33:16 i wonder if adding monster simulacrum back as a dchan-style spell would be avoid enough of the problems of the old one 16:33:39 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 16:34:29 ISTR a long irc discussion where people decided that we should make animate dead/simu more like that 16:34:38 and then nothing happened 16:35:02 (sorry for this coming out of nowhere, stream of consciousness after a tavern post reminded me) 16:35:41 The DD idea is this: 1) There is no healing whatsoever. Under no circumstances can a lost HP ever come back. 2) Every time a DD takes damage, that damage is reduced to 1. This includes all sources, including Torment. 3) Every time a DD gains a max HP, they also gain 1 current HP. So fighting skill, levelling and mutations increase the reservoir (slowly). ( 4) Forms with bonus health can't 16:35:41 be used to sneakily heal.) 16:36:04 wheals: I'm impressed you still *have* a stream of consciousness after reading tavern. :-P 16:36:09 What's the current problem with simulacra? 16:36:28 The medieval execution thread today was... fabulous. 16:36:44 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:03 FourHTwoA: on first glance your idea sounds like it would hugely buff DD. But I am not a game designer. 16:37:24 Well, you would only be able to take ~300 instances of damage in a whole game. 16:37:36 I don't know if that's a lot. 16:38:01 yeah, me either :-) 16:38:06 :) 16:38:13 <|amethyst> I think that would be very difficult to balance 16:38:23 yes, that. 16:38:32 I think in some games the characters would just die. 16:38:38 It would either be really great, or suck a lot, and the middle ground is very thin 16:38:38 But that seems fine :) 16:38:53 <|amethyst> I mean things like, which monsters are dangerous completely changes 16:39:02 Yes, that's great right! 16:39:11 All threats are equally dangerous 16:39:19 Not really. 16:39:22 <|amethyst> plathrop: a hydra is a lot more dangerous than a death yak 16:39:29 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39:30 Not if you have a lot of armour. 16:39:46 |amethyst: good point. Didn't think that through 16:40:07 if i'm understanding this right late game executioner gets way more dangerous too 16:40:15 Torment is probably the most dangerous thing. Any unavoidable damage is very dangerous. 16:40:57 AC, EV, Sh, etc. would function normally of course. 16:41:06 And there is still Lichform. 16:41:13 yeah I dunno. I don't think I would choose to play that version of DD. For whatever that is worth. 16:41:46 -!- Prozacelf is now known as ProzacElf 16:41:57 ac would apply before the reduction to 1, right? 16:42:22 That's the opposite of an endorsement. 16:42:24 Yes, wheals. 16:42:42 FourHTwoA: well, I'm not saying nobody would play it. 16:42:51 :) 16:42:57 Thanks for your comments. 16:42:59 Like, I don't play Ce, but wouldn't say they should be removed 16:43:09 Similarly Vp 16:43:13 If Ce is removed then I have to change my name. 16:43:18 I probably won't play Vp until it's changed. 16:43:36 there are plans to change vp? 16:44:01 <|amethyst> FourHTwoA =~ s/until/unless/ 16:44:02 Right; my point is my comment shouldn't be taken as a full anti-endorsement. See what other people think :-) 16:44:47 I have seen several people's ideas for a re-Vamp. 16:44:50 FourHTwoA: My overall impression is you should continue seeking feedback. It is an interesting idea worth exploring a bit more. 16:44:52 In the end none happened. 16:45:00 FourHTwoA: re-Vamp? *groan* 16:45:04 heh 16:45:20 * plathrop slaps FourHTwoA around a bit with a large trout 16:45:21 That was a tavern quotation. 16:45:25 Sorry 16:45:27 :-P 16:45:37 I love that IRC has a /slap command 16:45:41 I have my own ideas of course, haha! 16:47:17 The involve no food shenanigans. 16:47:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:47:59 <|amethyst> I think Vp without food shenanigans would need to be renamed 16:48:11 Aww. 16:48:34 <|amethyst> since blood-drinking is a central part of vampire lore 16:49:34 Blood-drinking is fine, but not as a food-clock. 16:49:48 <|amethyst> now, "food shenanigans" doesn't necessarily have to be "changes power with satiation level" 16:49:55 Indeed. 16:50:15 i dunno, i kind of like the current mechanic 16:50:29 although maybe being able to lower blood level through some method other than "waiting" would be cool 16:51:49 Maybe blood potions should give a bit of health just like that, so recovering from damage isn't so tedious. Who knows! 16:52:19 <|amethyst> that's a little too close to ghoul IMO 16:52:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:52:45 <|amethyst> except better because drinking a potion takes one turn, not three 16:52:49 I prefer Gh to Vp by quite a bit. So yeah! 16:52:50 ProzacElf: cast firestorm 16:53:02 -!- culcube has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:53:31 <|amethyst> amalloy: still have to wait, to recharge your MP 16:53:45 <|amethyst> could give Vp a "Bleed Self" 16:53:46 <|amethyst> (a)bility 16:53:56 |amethyst: but =~ is perl-specific regexp syntax! 16:54:15 amalloy: yes, it's so easy to go get firestorm castable on a vp too =P 16:54:27 for the express purpose of lowering my blood level 16:54:38 |amethyst: sublimation of blood as a vp innate 16:54:53 i always felt sublimation should lower their blood level anyway 16:54:57 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55:02 unless it does and i didn't notice 16:55:09 yes 16:55:12 <|amethyst> it does only as much as any L2 spell 16:55:21 oh, did that get removed 16:55:25 <|amethyst> oh 16:55:41 <|amethyst> I guess I should check code before saying such things 16:55:51 hah, Just Vampire Things 16:56:04 never know that sublim lowered their satiation 16:56:08 *knew 16:56:12 !source cast_sublimation_of_blood 16:56:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-other.cc#l45 16:56:17 <|amethyst> yeah, it does 16:56:37 <|amethyst> how cute :/ 16:57:28 <|amethyst> at the very least the spell description should mention that 16:57:47 <|amethyst> but I don't see why an HP-to-MP spell needs an extra cost for a Vampire 16:58:27 <|amethyst> and if it does, sif/staff channelling should maybe damage Vp 16:59:04 yeah, it doesn't look like it's really a noticeable amount anyway 17:00:06 heh...i actually always kind of felt that it should just alter blood level without the hp damage. but i can see why that might be unfair 17:00:58 If someone bothers to code a race revamp, what are the odds of getting it tested a bit in Trunk? 17:01:11 As one person it's not so easy to get good feedback. 17:01:19 <|amethyst> an experimental branch is more likely 17:01:28 I see. 17:01:49 <|amethyst> since reverting is never as trivial as it sounds :) 17:01:57 That's fair enough. 17:02:15 So an experimental branch gets done how? (I know nothing!) 17:02:21 <|amethyst> (particularly with things like races that require a decent amount of save compat, though it's less than it used to be) 17:03:01 <|amethyst> Get someone on the dev team to look over it and pull it to a branch 17:03:15 <|amethyst> then get johnstein to make that branch available on cbro 17:03:43 Thanks for the brief rundown! 17:03:54 <|amethyst> (I used to do experimental branches on CSZO, but I just didn't have the time to keep them fresh) 17:04:15 is there any particular reason polymorphed demon uniques lose their spells? 17:04:42 <|amethyst> kvaak: probably because the spells are innate rather than cast 17:05:01 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1569-g0cbeeff: Don't hunger Vampires when casting Sublimation of Blood 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0cbeeff26ffa 17:05:04 well they're affected by antimagic 17:05:05 <|amethyst> kvaak: it's not something the demon knows, it's an ability they get by virtue of their race 17:05:16 <|amethyst> it's *magical*, just not a learned spell 17:05:29 guess that more or less answers that then 17:05:47 fr give all shadow imps para and blink 17:06:01 <|amethyst> shadow imps need something 17:06:22 animate dead is annoying but it rarely comes into play 17:06:29 <|amethyst> it doesn't exist anymore :( 17:06:30 s/rarely/never 17:06:40 oh really? 17:06:42 which reminds me, i wonder if that silly shadow imp vault still exists 17:07:01 I'm fairly sure it does 17:07:03 <|amethyst> IMO it was relevant if it happened in hallways anyway 17:07:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:26 <|amethyst> even if the zombies won't kill you, they could block you for a few turns at least 17:07:30 I saw early shadow imps raising centaurs and other nasties 17:07:37 <|amethyst> mostly it did feel like item destruction though 17:07:41 not often no but sometimes 17:07:48 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:00 yeah, it was mainly a pain when a random shadow imp came by and raised some dudes that you were almost done killing 17:08:03 or in a hallway 17:08:04 <|amethyst> kvaak: well, if you managed to kill a centaur, the centaur zombie is usually not a threat 17:08:05 !lg . vmsg~~shadow_imp 17:08:06 1. perunasaurus the Cruncher (L11 FoAs of Qazlal), slain by an ogre zombie (a +0 giant spiked club) (animated by a shadow imp) on D:9 on 2014-07-13 22:42:25, with 7011 points after 13082 turns and 0:30:43. 17:08:39 that's assuming I wasn't half-dead after killing the centaur 17:08:55 :) 17:09:09 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:09:15 !lg * vmsg~~shadow_imp killer!=shadow_imp 17:09:16 518. Gekkouka the Martial Artist (L8 DsMo of Makhleb), slain by an ogre zombie (a +0 giant club) (animated by a shadow imp) on D:7 on 2015-07-19 06:11:17, with 1337 points after 5125 turns and 0:09:15. 17:11:25 <|amethyst> @??lom lobon 17:11:25 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10178 | Sp: glaciate (10-132) [06!sil], conjure ball lightning [06!sil], major healing [06!sil], tornado [06!sil], blink range [06!sil] | Sz:.. 17:11:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1570-g74b7129: Remove a shadow imp vault 10(3 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74b7129536a4 17:11:52 <|amethyst> hm 17:12:04 oh that wasn't the vault I was thinking of 17:12:06 <|amethyst> if any demon were to have book spells 17:12:34 ah, that's the only one i know of that relied on animate dead 17:13:05 there was one with a runed door(?) iirc and a bunch of skeletons in the first room, behind the second one was a shadow imp and some loot 17:13:10 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: so, what about Twisted Res? 17:13:33 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:46 -!- Fusha has quit [] 17:13:53 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:34 not sure, i'm not a big fan of it either 17:15:57 <|amethyst> it has the same XP problem that Animate and Simulacrum had, doesn't it? 17:16:12 i think i was wrong about that, apparently they don't give xp since they became temporary 17:16:16 <|amethyst> ah 17:16:57 <|amethyst> are abominations actually threatening in Elf? I wouldn't expect so but I've only been there a few times 17:17:10 i have actually noticed them doing decent damage occasionally 17:17:13 <|amethyst> !lm . br.end=elf 17:17:17 5. [2013-11-04 17:25:23] neil the Bludgeoner (L18 GrWn of Okawaru) reached level 3 of the Elven Halls on turn 44158. (Elf:3) 17:17:20 Small ones or Large ones? 17:17:22 but the majority of the time they don't really get to merge and do stuff 17:17:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:17:35 big ones 17:17:43 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: crawling corpse speed could be increased 17:17:50 <|amethyst> they're horribly slow right now 17:17:54 <|amethyst> @??crawling corpse 17:17:54 crawling corpse (07x) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 17:18:02 <|amethyst> I guess not horribly, but 17:18:06 yeah, i usually just murder the crawling corpses before they become an issue at all 17:18:19 although by the time i do elf even large abominations wouldn't be much of a problem 17:18:37 @?? large abomination 17:18:38 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 9 | HP: 30-65 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 361 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 17:18:47 <|amethyst> I mean, we could simplify greatly by just having XXX-lite 17:18:54 I've had some trouble with these in elf 17:18:57 i think that doesn't match the stats for aboms from twisted res 17:19:03 they melee harder than anything that isn't a DEBM 17:19:07 they get bonus damage maybe? i don't even know 17:19:25 @?? deep elf demonologist 17:19:25 deep elf demonologist (08e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 46-63 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 1314 | Sp: sum.demon, sum.greater demon, banishment | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:19:34 but yeah they can hit hard and be fast i think, so maybe speeding up crawling corpses would work out 17:19:38 I'm fairly sure most elves are also far more squishy 17:19:59 <|amethyst> I think they just get different HP and HD 17:20:21 <|amethyst> @?? large abomination hd:30 17:20:21 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 30 | HP: 111-154 | AC/EV: 20/20 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 3125 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 17:20:45 <|amethyst> @?? large abomination hd:11 17:20:45 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 11 | HP: 34-64 | AC/EV: 12/7 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 516 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 17:22:12 don 17:22:25 don't twisted res abominations gain more hd the more corpses are piled on or something like that? 17:24:02 something like that, i guess i should actually look this up but doing it through the github interface is painful 17:25:39 This Elf:3 Vault is completely packed with useful stuff. Why isn't always? 17:26:11 ??rng 17:26:11 rng[1/13]: More properly a *pseudo*-random number generator. Unlike true random numbers, pseudo-random numbers are generated out of spite, in order to make you cry. 17:26:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:26:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:26:49 How sad. 17:27:17 i guess it's feeling less spiteful today! 17:27:46 Very true! 17:28:08 This is were I can delude myself into believing that Crawl is rewarding me for a tough week at work... 17:28:59 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:30 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:29:43 the other shadow imp vault was a food vault 17:29:45 iirc 17:31:32 FR: reglyph redbacks to lightred s now that giant mites are gone 17:31:43 red is bad in a branch that spawns moths of wrath 17:31:58 and ~everything is s 17:31:59 %git :/lightred 17:31:59 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-727-g359104b: Make all chunks lightred. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/359104b2b411 17:32:03 %git :/lightredback 17:32:04 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-609-g8c9e7b5: Add lightredbacks (simmarine). 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c9e7b5dda4e 17:32:18 ?? glyphs 17:32:18 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 17:32:22 damn it 17:32:36 <|amethyst> that page is way out of date btw 17:32:39 our fr implementation speed is very good 17:33:50 it doesn't have giant mites and those were still around in .15! 17:34:09 <|amethyst> hmmm 17:34:25 <|amethyst> so I noticed we do fdatasync() instead of fsync() in package::commit() 17:34:51 <|amethyst> oh, never mind 17:35:09 <|amethyst> fdatasync specifically does update st_size if that has changed 17:36:36 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:42:00 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46:08 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:06 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:01:26 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1570-g74b7129 (34) 18:02:18 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03:31 -!- pipel has quit [Ping 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inactivity] 20:43:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:51 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:50:40 hmm. in the cloud mage's wizlab, there are "clouds of white fluffiness", which are just renamed clouds of smoke. but in the xv description, it still calls them grey smoke. the floor, though, has a modified xv description; is it possible to make the clouds consistent in xv as well? 20:55:22 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:56:23 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:59:32 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:23 -!- daek_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:46 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:05:00 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:08:31 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:10:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:13:40 <|amethyst> amalloy: it would require storing the overridden names in MapKnowledge 21:14:21 <|amethyst> err, in map_cell 21:15:10 |amethyst: so are the floor name-overrides stored there as well, or are they like a global property of the whole level? 21:15:17 <|amethyst> oh, we have cloud_info 21:15:24 <|amethyst> they are a property of the whole level 21:15:32 <|amethyst> hm 21:15:35 <|amethyst> moment 21:15:49 <|amethyst> that is true in that case, but probably not in general 21:16:14 <|amethyst> okay, cloud_info is what you'd need to add it to probably 21:17:46 <|amethyst> ah, feature renames are a property of the map, not the whole level 21:18:18 er, what is the difference between map and whole level, for wizlabs? 21:18:46 <|amethyst> maybe subvaults? 21:18:59 <|amethyst> but, yeah, for encompass vaults like that it's more or less the same thing 21:20:21 well. it's not so important to me that i want to add a new feature in C++ and expose it to lua just so this map can use it; i was just hoping the feature was already there and waiting to be used by lua 21:20:24 <|amethyst> hm, so for features it looks like the xv code actually goes out to the actual feature 21:20:42 <|amethyst> rather than just map_knowledge 21:22:09 <|amethyst> for clouds that's a little more difficult, because a remembered cloud might not exist anymore (but you don't want to leak whether it has) 21:22:25 <|amethyst> I believe renamed features do leak some info though 21:23:18 <|amethyst> oh, hey, the mailing list archives are back up 21:28:26 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:29:04 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:30:06 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:10 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:25 -!- melenkurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:38:40 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:47:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:53:07 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: 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