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03:38:26 <scwizard> Probably no one online but... if a monster turns invisible in front of me, then autopickup is disabled
03:38:35 <scwizard> if I save and exit and come back into the game, then it's enabled again
03:38:36 <scwizard> is this a bug?
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10:18:12 <|amethyst> somehow I made gcc 4.9.2 take 7-8 minutes on mon-util.cc
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10:42:09 <|amethyst> and this is with only -Og
10:42:25 <|amethyst> I can't imagine it's taking that long to inline all the operator|s
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10:54:41 <|amethyst> hm, that's a problem for the servers
10:54:54 <|amethyst> well, an extra 8 minutes isn't *really* a problem
10:55:00 <|amethyst> it is a problem for travis, though
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11:05:15 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1555-g4fcfad3: Enumify monster and monster class flags. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 207+ 175-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fcfad32ae84
11:05:15 <Cheibriados> New branch created: monclass_flags_t (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/monclass_flags_t
11:05:15 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[monclass_flags_t] * 0.17-a0-1556-g3a738ed: Make monster class more type-safe. 10(60 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a738ed003bd
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11:53:17 <|amethyst> well, it passed travis at least (20:35 build time)
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11:56:22 <|amethyst> yeah, travis seems not to have the huge -g build time hit
11:56:31 <|amethyst> maybe something specific to 4.9
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12:08:10 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1556-gbe55960: Use a bitfield enum for monster flags. 10(4 minutes ago, 17 files, 35+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be5596077d2e
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12:21:35 <|amethyst> !learn set millimarvin[1] 12.727 net lines of code removed (as of 2015-07-19)
12:21:36 <Sequell> millimarvin[1/1]: 12.727 net lines of code removed (as of 2015-07-19)
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13:03:15 <|amethyst> wha?
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13:05:13 <|amethyst> oh, I missed an include that would be present in webtiles builds
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13:10:39 <|amethyst> amalloy_:  I was looking over #82 again... making ordinary ballistos not count as firewood is problematic I think (for one thing, it causes a ./crawl -test failure "ballistomycetes has speed 0")
13:10:59 <|amethyst> amalloy_:  probably they should get the no threat flag after all?
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13:13:30 <|amethyst> amalloy_:  in particular, you can't replace the mons_is_active_ballisto checks with just the flag, because ballistos change their "active" status
13:15:03 <|amethyst> amalloy_:  maybe you could have  mons_is_threatening(), returning  mons_class_is_threatening(mons->type) || mons_is_active_ballisto(mons)
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13:20:08 <|amethyst> I guess I should be "social" and paste those comments into the PR
13:20:47 <wheals> rip gitorious, antisocial coding at its finest
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13:36:25 <|amethyst> !tell amalloy in case you missed the scrollback about PR#82, I wrote it up a little better at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/82#issuecomment-122687252
13:36:26 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let amalloy know.
13:37:06 <|amethyst> !tell amalloy I think after those tweaks (and resolving some merge conflicts) it's probably ready
13:37:06 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let amalloy know.
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13:57:14 <scwizard> AAAAAA
13:57:16 <scwizard> i can't figure this out
13:57:24 <scwizard> how the hell do I get a monster's x cordinate?
13:57:29 <scwizard> i haven't had to so far because I've gotten monster through get_monster_at
13:57:37 <scwizard> but for ch_mons_is_safe
13:57:40 <scwizard> i get the monster object directly
13:57:44 <scwizard> and i need to get its cordinates somehow
14:01:43 <scwizard> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/9f11d925823cfa05e9b8b0e065ed3e4536ab03cc/crawl-ref/source/l_moninf.cc#L308
14:01:46 <scwizard> i guess there's no way to do it...
14:02:51 <|amethyst> you need the position, not just the distance
14:02:52 <|amethyst> ?
14:06:10 <scwizard> |amethyst: yes so I can do feature.is_reachable(x, y)
14:06:25 <scwizard> |amethyst: I'm trying to make it so that it doesn't conisder melee monsters that it can't reach threatening
14:06:37 <scwizard> so that it doesn't get stuck waiting for a rat to cross a moat :(
14:06:49 <wheals> shouldn't it be melee monsters that can't reach it?
14:07:09 <wheals> and doesn't is_safe handle that?
14:07:33 <scwizard> wheals: it might... but I'm trying to add some exceptions
14:07:37 <wheals> (or is that just i_feel_safe...)
14:08:02 <scwizard> wheals: right now this is happening http://i.imgur.com/HRtnrir.png
14:08:13 <scwizard> the moth of wrath isn't considered safe because it has a ranged attack
14:08:20 <scwizard> but i can't kill it because it's behind iron gates
14:08:39 <scwizard> so my bot just kneels over and dies
14:08:47 <wheals> oh yeah, that's annoying
14:08:56 <wheals> that's bad for non-bots too, since it stops autoexplore
14:09:13 <|amethyst> I see two things you could do, both C++-side, to get the info
14:09:30 <scwizard> wheals: so in this case, if I had the moth's cordinates in ch_mon_is_safe then I could do travel.is_reachable(x, y)
14:09:38 <scwizard> and if it's not reacahble then i'd consider it safe
14:09:39 <|amethyst> 1. add accessors for the (player-relative) x and y position to l_moninf.cc
14:09:59 <|amethyst> scwizard:  what if it's a moth in the middle of a pool of deep water and you can't fly?
14:10:05 <|amethyst> it can still reach you, since it does fly
14:10:13 <|amethyst> that's what wheals was pointing out
14:10:25 <scwizard> then it would be considered safe
14:10:33 <scwizard> since it's "melee" and I can't reach it
14:10:56 <scwizard> i mean
14:11:11 <scwizard> there's gonna be a lot of special case code regarding wierd cordined off vault monsters
14:11:31 <scwizard> obviouly draconian callers in zot in a similar position need to be handled in a delicate manner
14:11:32 <|amethyst> I'm not talking about weird vaults
14:11:36 <|amethyst> consider merfolk in shoals
14:12:05 <|amethyst> if you aren't flying and can't swim, that doesn't make a merfolk in deep water any less threatening than one on land
14:12:06 <wheals> i've never quite been sure why the moth does that
14:12:17 <scwizard> wheals: it has a ranged spell
14:12:22 <wheals> does the monster_pathfind in _mons_has_path_to_player not account grates properly?
14:12:28 <wheals> it did that before it had any spells
14:12:38 <wheals> (it used to use special-cased abilities
14:12:39 <wheals> )
14:13:19 <scwizard> |amethyst: i guess what I'd really like to know is if it can reach me
14:13:28 <scwizard> |amethyst: but to figure that out I NEED the cords of it
14:13:37 <scwizard> if I only know the distance of the monstoer I can't do anything
14:13:49 <|amethyst> anyway, I was suggesting either:  1. add accessors for the (player-relative) x and y position to l_moninf.cc
14:14:16 <|amethyst> or  2. have Crawl pass the (again player-relative) coord to ch_mons_is_safe
14:15:01 <scwizard> |amethyst: it's funny because there's already lu functions here regarding that https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/9f11d925823cfa05e9b8b0e065ed3e4536ab03cc/crawl-ref/source/l_mons.cc
14:15:09 <scwizard> they're just dlua exclusive i think
14:15:20 <scwizard> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/9f11d925823cfa05e9b8b0e065ed3e4536ab03cc/crawl-ref/source/l_mons.cc#L496
14:15:21 <|amethyst> dlua exclusive and for a different type
14:15:31 <|amethyst> they are for monsters, not monster_infos
14:15:47 <scwizard> are monster_infos accessible at all for players?
14:15:56 <|amethyst> ?
14:16:10 <scwizard> how would i access a monster_info?
14:16:44 <|amethyst> monster.get_monster_at(...)
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14:16:56 <|amethyst> you have a monster_info
14:16:57 <scwizard> amalloy_: that gets a monster, not a monster_info
14:17:19 <|amethyst> why do you say that?
14:17:29 <|amethyst> it calls  lua_push_moninf
14:18:10 <|amethyst> monsters aren't available to clua, only monster_infos
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14:18:33 <|amethyst> (likewise UI code and anything that shouldn't leak information)
14:19:20 <|amethyst> but even then, you have to be careful about leaking info if you make x and y available
14:19:35 <|amethyst> they should be player-relative so they don't leak info about the edges of the level
14:20:11 <|amethyst> *but* you don't want to use player-relative coordinates if their pos is (0, 0), because that would also leak the same info
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14:20:44 <amalloy> |amethyst: in reference to what?
14:20:44 <Sequell> amalloy: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
14:20:59 <amalloy> oh, sorry, i see. that was scwizard, trying to talk to |amethyst. sorry
14:21:00 <scwizard> amalloy: my bad tab error
14:21:05 <amalloy> !messages
14:21:06 <Sequell> (1/2) |amethyst said (44m 40s ago): in case you missed the scrollback about PR#82, I wrote it up a little better at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/82#issuecomment-122687252
14:21:17 <|amethyst> so your coordinates in the C++ accessors would need to be something like  (pos.origin() ? pos : pos - you.pos())
14:21:44 <scwizard> if I wrote a patch, how long would it take to work its way into master?
14:22:09 <|amethyst> anywhere from a few minutes to forever... if it's your first one it might take a few back-and-forths
14:22:18 <|amethyst> for our coding style, etc
14:22:20 <scwizard> u_u
14:22:24 <scwizard> i should probably do it anyway
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14:22:41 <scwizard> rather than some dumb workaround where I have ch_mons_is_safe scan every monster in view
14:23:14 <scwizard> ?? patch
14:23:14 <Sequell> mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
14:23:19 <scwizard> ?? patch[2]
14:23:19 <Sequell> patch[2/2]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/patch_guide.txt
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14:41:30 <scwizard> oh wait you are actually accepting github pull requests
14:41:33 <scwizard> could I just do one of those?
14:41:50 <|amethyst> yes
14:42:09 <scwizard> if i do one of those, do I still have to do mantis stuffs?
14:42:29 <|amethyst> mantis might get it noticed by more devs, but especially for a new feature rather than a bugfix it's not necessary
14:43:00 <|amethyst> we haven't really nailed down that stuff since we moved to github and pull requests became a more common thing
14:45:33 <scwizard> if you're gonna use github, idg why you don't just use github's issue system
14:46:15 <wheals> we havent imported the mantis issues yet
14:46:20 <wheals> we just started using github in may
14:46:24 <scwizard> icic
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14:49:59 <|amethyst> well
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14:50:09 <gammafunk> heck, some of us where running windows XP until only a few days ago! Imagine that!
14:50:36 <|amethyst> I don't think there are any plans to move away from mantis for bug reports
14:51:03 <gammafunk> does github even have a formal bug reporting system?
14:51:14 <|amethyst> yes, the issue tracker
14:51:28 <|amethyst> which we have disabled for crawl
14:51:34 <gammafunk> ah, ok
14:51:50 <|amethyst> (but pull requests still count as issues I guess)
14:51:50 <wheals> gammafunk: who was this person? can we kick him out of the devteam???
14:52:23 <|amethyst> one nice thing about mantis as opposed to github is that it is self-hosted (without having to pay $$$)
14:52:37 <gammafunk> wheals: that would be a bit unfair, we also have people running lisp-based window managers from about the same time
14:52:46 <wheals> i think we were maybe planning to add some kind of github integration in mantis? or possibly the other way around?
14:53:08 <wheals> |amethyst: well, without you or i paying $$$ (thank the nap king!)
14:53:09 <|amethyst> yeah, it would be nice to get the mantis plugin working
14:53:46 <|amethyst> well, mantis costs almost nothing extra on top of the other stuff CDO does
14:53:55 <|amethyst> whereas github enterprise costs lots extra
14:54:00 <wheals> true
14:54:20 <amalloy> what is the advantage of being self-hosted here?
14:55:03 <|amethyst> I guess with export capability nothing too major
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15:01:13 <scwizard> alright I got it so the absolute pos is exposed
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15:09:37 <scwizard> that wasn't too hard: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/91
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15:11:09 <gammafunk> scwizard: pull requests show up via Cheibriados, so you don't even have to tell us about them
15:11:22 <gammafunk> hrm
15:11:23 <gammafunk> %git
15:11:23 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1558-g9d24de5: Fix non-webtiles compilation. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9d24de55542e
15:11:32 <scwizard> oh ok :)
15:12:02 <gammafunk> not sure why Cheibriados hasn't messages about it, maybe pull requests have a bit more delay
15:12:16 <gammafunk> oh, er
15:12:43 <scwizard> maybe the travis build needs to finish who knows
15:12:58 <gammafunk> no, that's done independently afaik
15:13:31 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/91 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/91
15:13:31 <Cheibriados> 03Paul Dejean02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/91 * 0.17-a0-1559-g7c368f3: Added accessor for relative monster x and y cordinates. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c368f37ff6f
15:13:37 <gammafunk> there it is
15:14:18 <gammafunk> the commit message needs a bit more clarity
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15:14:53 <gammafunk> and also use of present tense (Add an accessor or Add accessor instead of Added accessor) :)
15:15:04 <gammafunk> and you'd want to mention that it's a lua accessor
15:15:22 <scwizard> Add a monster lua acessor for relative monster x and y cordinates.
15:15:23 <scwizard> maybe?
15:15:48 <gammafunk> well if you use the first 'monster' you can remove the one after relative, but yeah
15:16:09 <scwizard> Add a lua acessor for relative monster x and y cordinates.
15:16:29 <gammafunk> sounds good (save the typo)
15:16:43 <gammafunk> let me take a look at this
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15:18:35 <Cheibriados> 03Paul Dejean02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/91 * 0.17-a0-1559-g9e4a1bf: Add a lua acessor for relative monster x and y cordinates. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e4a1bf90e81
15:21:08 <gammafunk> scwizard: for purposes of displaying your commits (e.g. in irc), do you want to use scwizard or your github name paulcdejean?
15:21:19 <gammafunk> we usually add a mailmap entry for new contributors
15:22:34 <gammafunk> often it's the irc handle, since irc tends to be where it's relevant; your commit will still show up as authored by "Paul Dejean" in the end
15:22:36 <scwizard> gammafunk: paulcdejean
15:22:44 <gammafunk> ok, will do
15:23:40 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/92 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/92
15:23:40 <Cheibriados> 03Paul Dejean02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/92 * 0.17-a0-1559-g9e4a1bf: Add a lua acessor for relative monster x and y cordinates. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e4a1bf90e81
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15:25:56 <gammafunk> scwizard: oh, I think it's "accessor"
15:27:05 <scwizard> u_u
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15:27:07 <gammafunk> oh, weird
15:27:13 <gammafunk> scwizard: you made a new pull request
15:27:23 <scwizard> i wasn't sure how else to chage the commit message
15:27:30 <gammafunk> force push will do it
15:27:35 <gammafunk> hrm
15:27:36 <scwizard> oh alright
15:27:38 <gammafunk> at least, I think
15:28:05 <gammafunk> actually I'm not sure what people do
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15:31:37 <scwizard> force push doesn't seem to do it
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15:34:44 <gammafunk> let me make a PR and play around
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15:42:37 <gammafunk> oh I should have used [skip ci] there or something
15:42:40 <amalloy> you can `git commit --amend` and then force push
15:42:59 <amalloy> the PR is tied to the branch, so you can push whatever you want to that branch and the PR is updated
15:43:25 <gammafunk> yeah that's what I figured as well, just wanted to see for myself
15:43:58 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/93 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/93
15:43:58 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/93 * 0.17-a0-1559-g3c04e91: Add a test file in a test commit 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c04e9122c8e
15:47:20 <gammafunk> scwizard: yeah, basically you put your commits in a branch in your repo, and make the pull request based on this branch, then anything you change in that branch is in the pull request
15:47:30 <gammafunk> scwizard: so you can force-push or make additional commits
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15:48:32 <scwizard> gammafunk: that's what I did
15:48:45 <gammafunk> then it should show up
15:48:53 <scwizard> gammafunk: oh yeah it does i see
15:49:03 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/93 * 0.17-a0-1559-gf9ad37b: Add a test file in a test commit 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f9ad37b1c787
15:49:03 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/93 * 0.17-a0-1560-g6827c58: Add another test file 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6827c5872d3f
15:49:19 <gammafunk> yeah, that was a result of a force-push and then an additional commit
15:49:29 <gammafunk> so your changes to the PR branch will also just show up in channel
15:49:37 <scwizard> i see
15:49:43 <scwizard> i did a force push correcting the spelling mistake
15:49:52 <gammafunk> I guess one thing is your original pull request title is not changed
15:50:26 <gammafunk> scwizard: I just fixed the typo in the pull request title as well :)
15:50:46 <gammafunk> but yeah you can just edit the pull request title and message, since this data is not in the repo
15:51:05 <scwizard> yeah i fixed the typo in the title at the same time you did lol
15:51:19 <gammafunk> dang
15:52:22 <scwizard> anyways now that I have the cordinates
15:52:37 <scwizard> i need to figure out if I have line of fire to the cordinates
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18:09:21 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1558-g9d24de5 (34)
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19:32:21 <gammafunk> scwizard: oh, heh there's another typo in your commit message: cordinates
19:32:34 <gammafunk> I'll correct that since I have it ready to push
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19:36:38 <Cheibriados> 03paulcdejean02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1559-gb448036: Add a lua accessor for relative monster x and y coordinates. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4480360709e
19:36:38 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1560-gf2f5ed4: Tweak the name of a lua accessor 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2f5ed45501f
19:36:38 <Cheibriados> 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1561-g1890166: Add a tuple version of the lua monster position accessor 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1890166ab076
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19:39:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I mentioned yesterday...
19:39:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  some monster_infos have "real" coordinates (0,0)
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19:40:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  (e.g. those made from a monster type rather than a real monster)
19:41:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I don't know if there's a way to get one of those in clua, but if so the relative call would let you get the player's real coordinates
19:41:37 <gammafunk> yeah that was my question, what sort of monster_infos can the player see
19:42:27 <gammafunk> I guess 0, 0 is never a position that can occur in the players los?
19:42:36 <gammafunk> not sure about wiz mode, but I guess that's less important
19:42:52 <|amethyst> right, and monsters can't exist at (0,0) anyway
19:43:18 <gammafunk> so we could simply make a slightly more complicated accessor function that returned...well I'm not sure what it would return
19:43:21 <gammafunk> nil?
19:43:33 <gammafunk> when it saw 0,0 as the monster pos, that is
19:43:34 <|amethyst> hm, that might be better
19:43:47 <|amethyst> I was thinking having it return 0 if the pos is actually origin
19:43:57 <|amethyst> but nil might be better there
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19:45:17 <|amethyst> I guess probably you'd want to do the same thing if the player is at (0,0)
19:45:31 <|amethyst> so you can't use Step From Time + lua to find monsters' real coordinates
19:45:46 <scwizard> yay
19:47:17 <gammafunk> I'll take a look at making a safer accessor that handles the 0,0 monster/player case later if you don't get to it first
19:47:47 <scwizard> how could a monster exist at 0,0?
19:47:49 <scwizard> i don't follow
19:48:18 <scwizard> i don't get how that could happen in actual play
19:48:29 <scwizard> because player lua will never run during step from tiem
19:49:22 <gammafunk> lua code can be run through ready(), which is run after each ui action
19:49:40 <gammafunk> so the player steps from time, and code in ready() is run
19:49:53 <scwizard> gammafunk: not until the end of stepfromtime I don't think
19:50:09 <scwizard> because crawl isn't ready for input while the thingy is running
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19:51:54 <gammafunk> heh, I think you're really overesitmating your understand of lua's quicks when running through crawl
19:52:04 <gammafunk> even if that is 100% true now, it may not always be
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19:52:23 <gammafunk> it's better to have a function that doesn't leak information for certain values of a player or monster's position
19:52:53 <gammafunk> s/understand/understanding/ and s/quicks/quirks/
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20:00:04 <|amethyst> lua autopickup code might be called every time we redraw a cell in tiles
20:00:16 <|amethyst> so that we know whether to put the green box around it
20:00:47 <|amethyst> as for a monster_info at (0, 0), there probably isn't currently a way to get one into clua
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20:01:23 <|amethyst> but they definitely exist in the C++ code, for example when you are looking up monster info by name with ?/m
20:03:23 <|amethyst> and as gammafunk alludes to, it's goods to be defensive about such things because things change, and because someone passing a fake monster_info to clua wouldn't have a reason to think "oh, this might leak the player's position"
20:06:06 <scwizard> i see what you mean
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20:07:37 <|amethyst> s/goods/good/
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20:52:17 <scwizard> http://i.imgur.com/9qvOvWn.png
20:52:20 <scwizard> hmm
20:52:26 <scwizard> so that cockroach can't reach me
20:52:31 <scwizard> how do I know that though
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20:54:40 <|amethyst> but it could reach you, it's just too stupid to do so
20:55:28 <|amethyst> a monster of higher intelligence might be able to reach you, but you'd need information the player doesn't have on out-of-sight squares
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21:03:10 <scwizard> |amethyst: a goblin isn't smart enough http://i.imgur.com/j82sIGG.png
21:03:32 <scwizard> it can kinda get the hint
21:03:35 <scwizard> but it's pretty unreliable
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21:07:02 <scwizard> actually that could just be because I changed the terrain on it
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21:33:32 <scwizard> ?? intelligence
21:33:33 <Sequell> int[1/2]: Affects your spell casting success, your spell power and your spell hunger. When it reaches 0, you become {brainless}.
21:33:37 <scwizard> ?? intelligence[2]
21:33:37 <Sequell> monster intelligence[1/10]: From worst to best: Plant, Insect, Reptile, Animal, Normal, High. This has many effects on monster behaviour, most notably pursuing you longer, pathfinding better, being more wary of traps/clouds and moving in ways that inconviences you more.
21:33:43 <scwizard> @?? goblin
21:33:44 <Gretell> goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human.
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21:34:54 <scwizard> ?? nightstalker
21:34:54 <Sequell> nightstalker[1/1]: +40/80/120 stealth -1/-2/-3 LOS. Remember, LOS is reciprocal, so when your LOS is reduced, so is the LOS of everything else in the dungeon.
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21:40:42 <aarujn> Hi! :) What does diamond obelisk do in 0.17a (trunk) :) ----> "a diamond obelisk (surrounded by raging winds)"
21:41:08 <wheals> how do you miss the effect
21:41:13 <aarujn> (near a Qaz altar)
21:41:43 <aarujn> Does anyone know?
21:42:04 <|amethyst> @??diamond obelisk
21:42:05 <Gretell> diamond obelisk (168) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: human.
21:42:06 <gammafunk> aarujn: the (surrounded by raging winds) is the clue
21:42:12 <gammafunk> it generates a tornado
21:42:31 <aarujn> can you invoke it / is it useful at all?
21:42:44 <gammafunk> no, it's a "monster", not an item
21:42:57 <aarujn> ok, so it's semi-lethal scenery ?
21:42:59 <gammafunk> it just sits there, being invincible and generating tornados
21:43:03 <aarujn> cool
21:43:18 <aarujn> (Well, it *looks* cool anyways :)
21:43:36 <aarujn> even if it's more or less a curiousity)
21:44:49 <scwizard> @?? lava snake?? diamond obelisk
21:44:49 <Gretell> unknown monster: "lava snake?? diamond obelisk"
21:44:53 <scwizard> @?? lava snake
21:44:54 <Gretell> lava snake (04S) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-24 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 704(fire:3-5) | Res: 06magic(10), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 48 | Sp: spit lava (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal.
21:44:56 <scwizard> ?? diamond obelisk
21:44:56 <Sequell> diamond obelisk[1/3]: basically a petrified moon troll
21:45:44 <scwizard> @?? merfolk
21:45:44 <Gretell> merfolk (04m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 10 | HP: 46-65 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 22 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 301 | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
21:46:02 <scwizard> where's the flag that says a lava snake can swim in lava?
21:46:06 <scwizard> ?? AM
21:46:06 <Sequell> arcane marksman[1/2]: Warrior-mage class that starts with a ranged weapon (bow, crossbow, sling, throwing), robe, and a {Book of Debilitation}.
21:46:10 <scwizard> hmm
21:46:21 <aarujn> ??moon troll
21:46:22 <Sequell> moon troll[1/1]: A monster found only in lehudib's {moon base}. Speed 12 iron troll with more hd and {corrosive bolt}. Always wears {moon troll leather armour} unless this has generated, otherwise artefact {troll leather armour}.
21:46:35 <aarujn> ??obelisk [2
21:46:35 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled obelisk[2] in my learndb.
21:46:45 <aarujn> ?? diamond obelisk [2
21:46:45 <Sequell> diamond obelisk[2/3]: You can just step onto the edge of the tornado and wait for 3.0 aut (including the time taken for the step) and then step off onto the loot. Repeat to get out. Except not in 0.15, since the vault was removed!
21:47:12 <scwizard> oh the AM flag is only for spit lava anyway
21:47:15 <aarujn> ?? diamond obelisk [3
21:47:15 <Sequell> diamond obelisk[3/3]: <Nomi> hey, a diamond obelisk <Nomi> do i have tornado inmunity if i cast my own tornado? <Nomi> i do!
21:47:17 <scwizard> it's probably antimagic immunity
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21:58:12 <|amethyst> scwizard:  it's its habitat = HT_LAVA (or HT_AMPHIBIOUS_LAVA for salamanders)
21:59:20 <|amethyst> there isn't currently an interface to get monster-class data like that from lua
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22:03:24 <|amethyst> (but for habitat in particular you could write an accessor in l_moninf.cc; just make sure you are passing the enums to lua as strings, not the raw enum values
22:03:27 <|amethyst> )
22:05:34 <|amethyst> (I guess you could make those available as attributes or globals or something, but in general we use strings)
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22:47:24 <scwizard> |amethyst: alright, i'll look into that
22:47:31 <scwizard> in the meantime though I made a HUGE breakthrough
22:47:38 <scwizard> I figured out how to take single steps towards the stairs
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22:48:16 <scwizard> basically in ch_mon_is_safe I include: if you.turns() ~= run_turn then run_mode = false end
22:48:28 <scwizard> ready() may not be run until travel ends
22:48:35 <scwizard> but ch_mon_is_safe is run every turn of travel
22:49:22 <scwizard> so long as there's a monster in view at least
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23:03:15 <Vektorweg1> shouldn't elves have the mutation "You have pointed ears and no sense of humor." ?
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23:05:58 <wheals> since when do elves have no sense of humour
23:06:08 <wheals> are you thinking, perhaps, of vulcans
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23:07:37 <Vektorweg1> depends on the reference.
23:08:19 <Vektorweg1> i'm sure elves are depicted the not so happy guys in some fantasy.
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23:10:33 <wheals> i just think of elves as being annoying prankster jackasses
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23:12:03 <Vektorweg1> that sounds rather like dark elves.
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23:12:55 <|amethyst> I think of elves as being these little short old guys who make cookies
23:13:01 <|amethyst> and maybe Christmas toys
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23:13:44 <|amethyst> Deep Elves have mastered the art of baking, which mere mortals refer to as "Conjurations"
23:13:54 <Vektorweg1> disguised kobolds. ;)
23:14:09 <|amethyst> (I hear tengu are even better at baking, but their ovens run out of gas more quickly)
23:15:02 <wheals> |amethyst: and what about spriggans??
23:15:10 <|amethyst> they are the cookies
23:15:25 <wheals> deep
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23:24:22 <ProzacElf> mmmm.  spriggan cookies
23:24:44 <ProzacElf> second only to windmill cookies
23:25:01 <Vektorweg1> and i thought the spriggans were the best bakers.
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23:25:35 <ProzacElf> elves also run pizza shops
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23:26:20 <Vektorweg1> wrong key.
23:26:25 <ProzacElf> heh
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