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00:49:54 yeah on the right side 00:49:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:00 yeah, that's how the dist functions work 00:50:06 using 2520 iirc 00:50:15 since that's divisible by all of 1,...,10 00:50:32 so they use that value for scale 00:50:37 cool 00:50:48 but anyhow I'm just going to take a look at the number generated; I agree how the spider weightis is good 00:50:57 basically 85% spider means it's not useless at 0 evo 00:51:04 outside of like d:1-8 that is 00:51:13 where even scorpions are quite good 00:51:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:51:18 -!- ZoloftElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:32 -!- ZoloftElf is now known as ProzacElf_ 00:51:35 so that should indeed remain, but possibly trapdoors should mix in over a longer range 00:51:48 I'll tweak around with that and let you know what I get 00:51:56 i would be ok with something like their starting at 5, since that was where they started originally 00:52:05 but 3 is probably too early 00:52:12 anjd lowering the weight to whatever 00:52:35 something like that was what I was playing with, yeah, so that they first appear at a % in the teens 00:52:36 i don't really like getting a lot of those at higher evo values anyways, since their hiding behavior is weird 00:52:38 instead of mid 20s 00:52:43 i'd rather get a bulk of redbacks 00:52:55 yeah, redbacks are a better generic upgrade from spiders 00:52:57 so sometghing like half of what i have trapdoor at 00:52:58 @??trapdoor_spider 00:52:58 trapdoor spider (11s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2008(poison:16-32) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 225 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 00:53:03 @??redback 00:53:03 redback (04s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 21-33 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 1804(strong poison:33-58) | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 219 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 00:53:04 with an earlier starting evo than 7 00:53:14 hrm 00:53:20 you could even argue just not generating trapdoors 00:53:29 since what does their behaviour even do relative to monsters 00:53:45 it doesn't really do anything from player perspective iirc you can still see them 00:53:57 but i mean since i've eliminated orb spider basically it would be nice to keep some variety 00:54:08 I mean redback does do higher poison dam but also significantly lower hp 00:54:19 so they're pretty equiv to trapdoors 00:54:19 yeah, which is why i think current sack of spiders is silly in general 00:54:24 after trapdoor the upgrades arent significant enough 00:54:34 @??jumping_spider 00:54:34 jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 23-42 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2016(ensnare), 8 | see invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 300 | Sp: blink close [11!AM, 06!sil], blink away [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 00:54:42 jumping is a decent upgrade but that takes 12 00:54:58 then you have orb spiders at 15 which are awkward, and 18+ for the others 00:55:04 well in my mind, just removing trapdoors and replacing that weight with others is fine 00:55:25 orb spiders are awkward like you say, but at least they have ranged which is something different 00:55:49 i guess removing them would be ok,but you could just make them scarce like orb spiders 00:55:58 and have the bulk be redbacks 00:56:13 well again, I don'teven know that they do anything interesting from an ally perspective 00:56:18 that's not done by others 00:56:39 they're tankier, i guess 00:56:54 at low evo values 00:56:54 yeah that's about it 00:57:01 @??spider 00:57:02 spider (10s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-29 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | web sense | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 132 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 00:57:26 so if we removed them then where do we put redback at? 00:57:28 for starting evo 00:58:02 I guess it would have to be staring in at 5 or so; maybe you're right and them having more hp is enough 00:58:16 my concern would be that's a pretty big leap 00:58:26 from 5->10 to get something new, and it isn't really something new since it's low weight orb spider 00:58:28 so basically 5-12 00:58:57 like i wanted the item to have more of a sense of progression 00:59:11 though in the case of trapdoor-redback it's not significant progression 00:59:23 well you could make it into something like "sack of vermin" 00:59:29 but that's a bigger rethink 00:59:45 steps on rod of swarm a bit as well 00:59:50 yeah 01:00:49 well feel make further tweaks, I'll maybe add those numbers to spreadsheet tomorrow; I think it's ok to just iterate it a bit before we merg 01:00:52 e 01:01:01 *feel free 01:01:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c (34) 01:01:50 adding athiest moths as monsters just for sack of spiders is verboten though 01:02:00 *atheist 01:04:34 okay 01:04:36 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:44 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:33 -!- Harkenn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:50 -!- Harkenn has quit [Client Quit] 01:15:58 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:54 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c (34) 01:18:20 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:23:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:20 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:26:13 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:27:13 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:15 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 01:33:21 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:34:52 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:37:49 buggy map in spider 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9837 by chequers 01:41:48 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 01:53:31 Anyone know how I can get the seed for a game? 01:53:37 ideally include it in the log file? 01:53:41 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c 01:55:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:08:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:11:22 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:11:51 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:27 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:24:23 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:33:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:36:57 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:48 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:46:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:40 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 38.0.5/20150525141253]] 02:48:51 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c 02:49:57 -!- Gurmil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:54:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:59 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:54 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c (34) 03:16:46 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 03:22:06 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:24:42 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:31:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:31:41 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 03:33:38 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33:57 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:43:59 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:48:34 -!- vale has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:55 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:03:59 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:16:57 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:17:49 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:20:08 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:43 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:28:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:35:27 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:35:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:37:22 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Client Quit] 04:37:24 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 04:43:36 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:44:43 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:50:36 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:50:49 no warning for trying to fire (throw) through allied summon 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9838 by Kolbur 04:55:55 -!- Idolo has quit [] 04:56:13 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:02:25 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:02 is there a way i can start a non-wiz game locally when i've built for debug, or do i have to recompile as non-debug? 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ZZZzzz…] 08:19:05 Where can I find the description of the you.skill function? 08:30:05 -!- vale has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:02 !function you::skill 08:36:02 Can't find you::skill. 08:36:13 !function player::skill 08:36:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l5871 08:37:48 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l5740 08:45:09 !function get_skill_progress 08:45:09 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc#l1097 08:50:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:23 "Zonula occludens toxin (Zot) is an enterotoxin elaborated by Vibrio cholerae that increases intestinal permeability by interacting with a mammalian cell receptor with subsequent activation of intracellular signaling leading to the disassembly of the intercellular tight junctions." 08:53:12 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58:44 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:07:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:21 -!- Foamed has quit [Client Quit] 09:09:25 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:09:45 -!- Nuklearni-okurka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:46 -!- xcourier has quit [Quit: xcourier] 09:10:55 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:15:55 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 09:35:29 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46:53 -!- copt has quit [] 09:51:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:38 -!- xcourier has quit [Quit: xcourier] 09:53:26 |amethyst: IIRC you mentioned that in ranged reform, launchers should be OBJ_LAUNCHER instead of OBJ_WEAPON. Do I recall that correctly? It looks like shields aren't split out from OBJ_ARMOUR... 09:58:38 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 09:59:51 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:17:06 <|amethyst> Lasty: but even without shields we'd still have a mechanism where different armours go in different slots (boots, helmets, etc) 10:17:30 <|amethyst> Lasty: whereas we don't currently have anything similar for weapons other than the 1H/2H thing 10:17:30 -!- Fusha2 is now known as Fusha 10:17:56 <|amethyst> Lasty: maybe splitting the base type would have more complications than not doing so at this point 10:18:09 <|amethyst> Lasty: but if I were designing it from scratch 10:19:18 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:20:52 |amethyst: gotcha 10:20:58 hmm 10:23:13 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:24:07 -!- agentgt_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:31:11 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 10:33:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:35:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:19 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38:22 I think I'm gonna try to do it 10:38:27 probably has value 10:39:35 It's gonna take me a while to do this in any case -- lots of touchpoints 10:46:45 Lasty: can you describe your final plan? I think I've asked this a lot, but is it merged into only two skills, throwing and "ranged"? 10:46:57 or are you keeping individual skills 10:47:16 Able to evoke polearms while confused 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9839 by gressup 10:47:47 gammafunk: I'm leaning towards 1) remove slings, 2) merge ammo into "ammo" instead of bolts vs shafts, 3) one launcher skill. 10:48:10 gammafunk: but I'm open to the idea of leaving the same number of skills as now if people would prefer a smaller change 10:48:47 Lasty: well, my concern with your first approach is making ranged maybe too good, since I'd imagine you'd not really have too much limitation ammo-wise? 10:49:44 gammafunk: a fair point. We could tweak ammo drop rates, but we have to keep centaurs/yaktaurs with enough ammo... 10:49:55 yeah, that's what I'm trying to think about 10:50:08 Floor ammo could be reduced 10:50:51 yeah, although if we do that too much, it becomes this thing where c are these hugely valuable enemies to find 10:50:58 monster ammo could just always mulch (and not drop on death) 10:51:02 that's already kind of a thing 10:51:04 that's true 10:51:06 MarvinPA: true 10:51:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:51:14 then that lets floor ammo be the one knob to tweak 10:51:23 MarvinPA: that has a lot of appeal 10:51:24 it's kind of awkward that they'd still drop launchers, I guess 10:51:32 but it would help the problem, yeah 10:51:37 i think that would be a good change under the current system even, potentially 10:51:44 they could also have a fixed ammo drop rate aside from their ammo supply 10:51:55 since it's a big thing for large rocks 10:52:00 yeah 10:52:24 large rocks are definitely unbalanced at the moment 10:53:11 throwing in general is unbalanced aside from availability limitations 10:54:10 Lasty: I think if you do merge skills, you're going to have to do some serious launcher consolidation 10:54:26 that was probably your plan though :) 10:54:26 gammafunk: yes, definitely 10:55:04 My plan was basically hand crossbow (for 1h), shortbow (standard ranged option), longbow (standard upgrade), crossbow (heavy damage and slow, top damage/time) 10:55:27 and crossbow is the max? 10:55:32 ??crossbow 10:55:32 crossbow[1/1]: Fires bolts. See {hand crossbow}, {arbalest}, or {triple crossbow}. 10:55:43 ??arbalest 10:55:44 arbalest[1/1]: Crossbow. 18 base damage, 19/10 base/mindelay. Used to just be called 'crossbow'. 10:55:51 it's the max damage/time, but it's got slow fire, so both crossbow and longbow would be valid top-end options 10:55:58 ??longbow 10:55:58 longbow[1/1]: Like a {shortbow}, but longer. 15 base damage, 1.7 base delay, 0.7 mindelay. Fires arrows. Small species (e.g. halflings) can't wield these. Try taking one from harmless monsters like centaur warriors, deep elf master archers, or Nessos! 10:56:17 and for availability, probably give yaktaurs hand crossbows -- or else give them a "yak crossbow" that's weaker. 10:56:45 <|amethyst> ? 10:56:55 <|amethyst> so yaktaurs would have weaker ranged than centaurs? 10:57:03 |amethyst: nah, just increase their base damage 10:57:27 The idea wouldn't be to nerf yaktaurs, just not to give them all top-end launchers 10:57:44 but maybe it's fine to just give it to them 11:00:22 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:23 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04:23 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:06:44 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:54 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:07:09 -!- rast- is now known as rast 11:10:17 -!- kazimuth has quit [Client Quit] 11:13:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:13:55 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:27:41 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:30:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:19 -!- Moonsilence_de has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:34:07 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:26 looks like my sac of spider calculations were off earlier 11:34:33 it's 5.5 at 27 evo with the proposed formula 11:34:41 on average 11:35:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:36:34 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38:43 -!- xcourier has quit [Quit: xcourier] 11:41:46 5.5 spiders? 11:44:37 how many spiders you get on average with 27 evo when using sack of spiders 11:44:53 That includes results w/ 0 spiders, I assume 11:45:02 0 spiders? 11:45:09 you can't get 0 11:45:12 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:38 unless you mean failing to use the sack, but no I'm not including that 11:47:04 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:15 <|amethyst> where 'spiders' includes cockroaches, scorpions, and ghost moths I assume? 11:47:55 <|amethyst> (well, I guess you won't get the first two at 27 evo) 11:47:57 I did mean failing 11:48:53 Lasty: no, we don't want to include that for determining how the sack works upon successful evoke 11:49:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:49:22 |amethyst: yeah "spider" means in pop_spider 11:50:12 <|amethyst> oh, if you're working on that 11:50:22 <|amethyst> if (!sack.plus) should probably say charges instead 11:50:34 <|amethyst> especially since we decrement it as 'charges' later 11:51:19 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:26 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:48 DrKe: the spreadsheet has numbers for the average number of each type made given the evocations 11:56:09 on pop_spiders(DrKe) with the dist from your latest commit 11:56:30 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:56:37 the % for trapdoors initially is only 17%, not as big of a jump as I remember 11:57:39 can you do it for (updated) 11:57:47 cause i did a version with your low weight trapdoor spider 11:58:44 gammafunk: I'm in your moonbase. 11:58:50 !lm lasty 11:58:51 10539. [2015-07-04 15:54:21] Lasty the Slayer (L26 OpSk of Ru) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 64272. (Elf:3) 11:58:59 i think with the 40->30 denom that dist is better 11:58:59 oh no fun, too late-game of a char! 11:59:03 yup 11:59:14 DrKe: yeah, I don't really see anything that needs much changing 11:59:18 right before Z:5, basically 11:59:18 the trapdoors look ok 11:59:28 they increase really rapidly but it's not crazy or anything 12:00:06 yeah and this way you can preserve the trapdoor->redback scaling of the old sack 12:00:12 without it being as broken at lower evo 12:00:22 like they still show up at the same levels 12:00:26 which is good i think 12:00:52 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:40 ug, google sheets does really weird things with column alignment if you change unrelated data 12:02:22 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02:48 !lg * moonland br=wizlab s=map 12:02:48 48 games for * (moonland br=wizlab): 13x wizlab_doroklohe, 12x wizlab_lehudib, 6x wizlab_wucad, 6x wizlab_iskenderun, 4x wizlab_demon, 3x wizlab_golubria, 2x wizlab_cigotuvi, wizlab_cloud, wizlab_zonguldrok 12:02:56 damn, dpeg has pulled ahead 12:03:04 Lasty: it's up to you to die to the moon troll 12:03:14 -!- radinms has quit [] 12:03:15 no chance without singularity 12:03:19 untrue! 12:03:26 !lg * ikiller=moon_troll s=ckaux 12:03:27 7 games for * (ikiller=moon_troll): 4x by gravitational forces, 2x, bolt of acid 12:03:37 2 bolt of acid deaths so far 12:03:37 5x beam 12:04:01 <|amethyst> gammafunk: isn't that 1x ? 12:04:12 oh, I know two died to acid though 12:04:13 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:14 hrm 12:04:15 .gfmap 12:04:16 331. Amilir the Wrestler (L19 TrWr of Okawaru), mangled by a sphinx on Depths:4 (gammafunk_depths_water_palace) on 2015-07-04 08:49:00, with 259615 points after 40441 turns and 1:37:28. 12:04:20 ! 12:04:25 a nother great tv to watch 12:04:29 .gfmap -2 12:04:30 330/331. Haplo13 the Severer (L18 MiFi of Okawaru), splashed by a moon troll's acid in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-06-29 23:30:43, with 229577 points after 40963 turns and 4:38:44. 12:04:32 .gfmap -3 12:04:33 329/331. Gerad the Warrior (L20 OpGl of Dithmenos), blasted by a moon troll (bolt of acid) in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-06-27 01:32:54, with 282553 points after 42235 turns and 3:05:23. 12:04:35 oh, weird 12:04:54 ah, acid damage versus...impact? 12:04:56 that's weird 12:05:07 not sure what corrosive bolt is doing there 12:05:11 i guess corrosive bolt has an acid splash component 12:05:15 like with jelly attacks 12:05:28 hrm, and that must be the resistable component? 12:05:36 that part i don't know 12:05:48 that just seems a bit odd, but maybe it's how corrosion is implemented 12:05:55 <|amethyst> ??splash 12:05:55 splash ~ spash ~ erocrawl[4/5]: Tiles version spash screens: http://i.imgur.com/1yi21.png (minmay), http://i51.tinypic.com/23t3y4y.png (Wensley) 12:05:58 <|amethyst> ??acid splash 12:05:58 I don't have a page labeled acid_splash in my learndb. 12:05:59 anyhow it's two deaths by corrosive bolt, at least 12:06:01 <|amethyst> ??acid 12:06:01 acid[1/3]: Causes you to receive a level of the debuff "Corr". The more acid damage you took, the more likely this is, meaning corrosion begets more corrosion. Each level of Corr reduces your AC by 5 and gives -3 slaying. Goes away after enough time has passed. Corr(-6) means -6 slaying and -10 AC. 12:06:03 <|amethyst> ??acid[2] 12:06:04 acid[2/3]: The damage from "The acid burns!" (for players only) gets one die for every uncovered non-shield armour slot (50% chance if wearing a cloak), reduced by 20/40/60% for each level of the fur mutation, plus an extra 2 dice (regardless of fur/cloak). Dice are d5 for ranged acid, d3 for melee. 12:06:10 gammafunk: I'm terribly sorry, but I don't think I was damaged by the moon troll 12:06:26 yeah I wouldn't expect you to be with such an advanced char 12:06:37 .gfdevkills 12:06:39 5 games for devteam (kmap~~gammafunk|wizlab_lehudib kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher): dpeg (a vault guard (gammafunk_runelock_ironcross)), wheals (Asterion (uniq_asterion)), Lasty (a spectral weapon), SGrunt (a lindwurm (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake)), PleasingFungus (a spriggan air mage (gammafunk_depths_water_palace)) 12:06:46 I have my Lasty kill anyhow 12:07:07 haha, fair enough 12:07:42 !lg devteamnp ikiller~~stormcaller||caustic s=name,ikiller 12:07:43 No keyword 'caustic' 12:07:56 !lg devteamnp ikiller~~stormcaller|caustic s=name,ikiller 12:07:57 One game for devteamnp (ikiller~~stormcaller|caustic): dpeg (a caustic shrike) 12:08:04 .... I'm way behind 12:10:00 early game uniques/monsters are an easy way, but the higher-level char kills are so much more fun... 12:10:27 true 12:10:58 <|amethyst> !lg devteam killer~~orb_spider 12:10:59 10. reaverb the Bludgeoner (L18 GrEE of Cheibriados), blown up by an orb spider on Spider:5 on 2015-05-07 17:47:59, with 207919 points after 64950 turns and 6:00:34. 12:11:04 <|amethyst> !lg devteam killer~~orb_spider s=name 12:11:04 10 games for devteam (killer~~orb_spider): 5x Neil, SGrunt, reaverb, ontoclasm, Medar, erisdiscordia 12:12:01 hoisted by his own petard! 12:12:13 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orb_spider s=kaux 12:12:13 1315 games for * (killer~~orb_spider): 1214x orb of destruction, 100x wavering orb of destruction, puff of flame 12:12:24 hoist *5 12:12:28 <|amethyst> I guess that's sigmund? 12:12:30 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orb_spider kaux~~puff_of_flame 12:12:37 1. vogonpoet the Poker (L3 MuCK of Xom), blasted by Sigmund the orb spider (puff of flame) on D:2 on 2013-01-24 21:57:50, with 129 points after 1359 turns and 0:04:03. 12:12:57 it's great that it didn't even use orb of destruction 12:13:02 wonder if it managed to cast it 12:13:03 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orb_spider kaux~~puff_of_flame -tv 12:13:10 1. vogonpoet, XL3 MuCK, T:1359 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:13:25 <|amethyst> aww, missing CDO ttyrec 12:13:28 too bad 12:13:36 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orb_spider kaux~~puff_of_flame -log 12:13:48 1. vogonpoet, XL3 MuCK, T:1359: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/vogonpoet/morgue-vogonpoet-20130124-215750.txt 12:13:48 !lg * killer~~orb_spider killer~~sigmund 12:13:48 1. vogonpoet the Poker (L3 MuCK of Xom), blasted by Sigmund the orb spider (puff of flame) on D:2 on 2013-01-24 21:57:50, with 129 points after 1359 turns and 0:04:03. 12:14:10 !lg * killer~~orb_spider killer=uniq 12:14:11 4. WhiteBreeze the Carver (L9 HuFi of Yredelemnul), blown up by Pikel the orb spider on D:7 on 2015-06-18 01:02:55, with 2386 points after 7984 turns and 0:19:20. 12:14:16 !lg * killer~~orb_spider killer=uniq s=ikiller 12:14:17 4 games for * (killer~~orb_spider killer=uniq): Edmund the orb spider, Sigmund the orb spider, Pikel the orb spider, Prince Ribbit the orb spider 12:14:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think sigmund the orb sider wouldn't get OoD 12:14:29 <|amethyst> hm 12:14:41 with old monster abilities, wouldn't it? 12:14:43 or was it a spell 12:14:55 <|amethyst> it was always a spell 12:15:17 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~ribbit.*orb 12:15:23 1. syncopath the Magician (L6 DgEE), blown up by Prince Ribbit the orb spider on D:4 on 2013-06-10 20:32:59, with 607 points after 4241 turns and 0:15:01. 12:15:29 looks promising! 12:15:37 <|amethyst> hm, but ribbit got OoD 12:15:46 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~ribbit.*orb x=cv 12:15:51 1. [cv=0.13-a] syncopath the Magician (L6 DgEE), blown up by Prince Ribbit the orb spider on D:4 on 2013-06-10 20:32:59, with 607 points after 4241 turns and 0:15:01. 12:15:52 Lasty: Why not just make slings the 1H option 12:15:52 does it matter if they had a spellbook already? 12:16:01 since sigmund does and ribbit doesn't 12:16:10 or does he 12:16:14 yeah tele, sorry he does 12:16:19 @??prince_ribbit 12:16:19 Prince Ribbit (11F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 20 | amphibious, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 277 | Sp: blink [06!sil], teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:16:26 Lightli: because then "ammo" has to be interchangeable between slings, bows, and crossbows, which is harder to suspend disbelief over 12:16:49 <|amethyst> also rocks 12:16:53 <|amethyst> err, stones 12:17:09 I think the plan was that those can't be used in launchers? 12:17:16 oh well 12:17:21 heh, yeah if slings are gone 12:17:23 <|amethyst> oh 12:17:24 that would have to be the case 12:17:44 unless we really want to be silly 12:17:44 <|amethyst> normally unique -> orb spider wouldn't keep spells, because orb spider isn't intelligent 12:18:00 rip punk 12:18:17 (turn it into a hand crossbow) 12:18:25 <|amethyst> but I guess this was different because it was sigmund -> centaur (with sigmund spells) -> orb spider 12:18:42 that's kind of weird 12:18:55 this rule about intelligence is only for unique -> monster? 12:18:58 what's the idea behind punk anyway? 12:19:02 ??punk 12:19:02 punk[1/1]: The +7 greatsling "Punk" {freeze, rC+}. 12:21:44 if its a reference, I don't get it 12:22:52 !lg amilir trwr -ttyrec 12:22:53 61. Amilir, XL19 TrWr, T:40441: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/Amilir/ 2015-07-04.06:54:45.ttyrec.bz2 2015-07-04.07:12:37.ttyrec.bz2 2015-07-04.07:25:24.ttyrec.bz2 2015-07-04.07:42:48.ttyrec.bz2 2015-07-04.08:19:24.ttyrec.bz2 2015-07-04.08:40:08.ttyrec.bz2 12:23:05 oops 12:26:35 lmk if you need me to do anything else re: the sack gfunk 12:26:40 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:26:42 but i'll defer to your judgment on what is best 12:26:56 I think it's probably going to just be merged as-is 12:26:58 lower trapdoor weight or no lower trapdoor weight 12:27:10 ok, need me to write another commit message? 12:27:17 or is the original one ok 12:27:25 oh is there a problem 12:27:34 im not sure 12:27:35 we can keep the two commits 12:27:35 id have to look at it 12:27:43 there isn't a prob then 12:28:05 since i did describe the changes in the 2nd commit 12:29:34 oh I guess that commit message is not quite accurate 12:29:48 since it's an overall nerf to the num spiders 12:31:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:31:48 yeah i wasn't sure when i wrote it 12:32:00 DrKe: yeah, so if you can reword that one 12:32:06 if you like, you could just squash the two 12:32:09 would be a bit clearner 12:32:11 *cleaner 12:32:32 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:50 but it's ok to just update the commit message to the second, whichever you like more 12:33:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:48 a 9 dex troll with 4 ev 12:34:58 the shield isn't really saving him 12:35:02 walks into a bar? 12:35:22 <|amethyst> plathrop: the 4 ev is why it didn't dodge the bar 12:35:33 http://sprunge.us/OeMO 12:35:46 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:35:58 you can squash it if you'd prefer that 12:36:00 |amethyst: *snortlaugh* 12:36:03 sounds good 12:37:32 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:43:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:43:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:44:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:47:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:48:55 -!- xcourier has quit [Quit: xcourier] 12:56:39 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 12:59:25 -!- Kramell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:52 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04:42 Lasty: How far is the ranged combat overhaul in terms of coding 13:04:43 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 13:04:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:05:04 03DrKe02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1482-g8ef6bb1: Tweak the Sack of Spiders 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ef6bb134d0e 13:05:04 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1483-g86df3dc: Use the right element of a union (|amethyst) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86df3dc08535 13:05:07 is it anywhere in terms of DESIGN? 13:05:18 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1481-gfdcec5c (34) 13:09:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:13:39 Lightli: I'm not far at all. I've started work on getting launchers separately equippable. Honestly, that's probably the hardest part tho. 13:13:53 kvaak: design is about 90% firm 13:14:12 does it involve infinite ammo 13:15:17 no 13:15:18 sort of the opposite 13:15:29 always mulch and equal ammo to now or less 13:16:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:26:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 13:27:28 and of course rapid fire, 360 no-scope kills, and tactical nuke projectiles 13:27:39 don't forget headshots 13:27:42 and spawn camping 13:27:49 gonna be the best patch ever 13:29:41 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:32 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:49 of course we're gonna need to add "guns" and "demolitions" skills 13:38:31 I guess this patch is going to be like using Hellfire as your only ranged weapon 13:39:15 . . . isn't that what everyone does now? 13:39:27 I did push guaranteed D:2 hellfire, right? 13:41:13 d:2 hellions sound in the spirit of crawl yes 13:42:00 --CK 13:44:27 now that you can get 3x !xp or !acq, some characters have really, really easy early games 13:45:16 that's incredibly rare though 13:45:26 yep 13:45:26 it would be like nerfing the possibility of D:1 PDA 13:48:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:31 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:05:07 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:12:34 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:44 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22:52 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:30:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:43:10 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 14:49:14 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51:43 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:56 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:00:25 -!- vale has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:39 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:03:58 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:05:09 03DrKe02 07* 0.17-a0-1476-ga046a47: Swap the weighting for storm cloud/acid cloud on the Rod of Clouds 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a046a472fbc3 15:05:09 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1485-g22cb0ee: Merge pull request #80 from drke2/patch-1 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22cb0ee5b7aa 15:09:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:24 !seen gammafunk 15:09:25 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:09:25 I last saw gammafunk at Sat Jul 4 17:27:50 2015 UTC (1h 41m 35s ago) saying 'gonna be the best patch ever' on ##crawl-dev. 15:09:38 wait, what. what did wheals do 15:10:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:01 !blame3 wheals 15:10:01 wheeeeeaaaaals 15:10:09 !blame2 wheals 15:10:10 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 15:10:25 * PleasingFungus hisses! 15:10:32 !blame2 pleasingfungus 15:10:32 pppllleeeaaasssiiinnngggfffuuunnnggguuusss 15:10:41 * PleasingFungus ... melts? 15:11:47 ahh, I see 15:11:49 RIP bopping 15:13:11 rip 15:23:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:25:45 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:26:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:25 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:23 !tell gammafunk would you mind taking over changelog/wordpress updates, or finding someone else to? it feels a little silly for me to still be doing them, given my recent level of involvement. 15:32:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 15:33:57 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:34:36 -!- zhaorenw has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44:46 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:44:46 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:35 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:26 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:50 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:32 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:47 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:05 rip fungus 15:54:24 -!- behavioral has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:59 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:10 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:40 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59:20 -!- panicbit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:43 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:03:29 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 16:07:35 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 16:15:31 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:12 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:18:43 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21:48 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 16:26:30 -!- Gurmil has quit [] 16:28:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:30:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:39 -!- Fusha2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:36:55 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:39:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:44 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:48 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:44 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:06:10 wow 17:06:17 2 people actually cared about ravens apparently 17:09:50 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:28 -!- edgefigaro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:25:29 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:26:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:26:08 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 17:27:52 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:32:14 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36:02 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:46:31 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47:12 -!- Tpain has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:49 Wanderer can start with 2h with shield equipped. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9840 by xbon 17:52:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:53:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:18 -!- cobaltphoenix has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:57:47 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:07 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1485-g22cb0ee (34) 18:01:51 uh oh, wasn't that (supposedly) fixed 18:02:14 MarvinPA: the last one i remember being fixed was stacks of shields 18:02:53 i think shield+2hander was also meant to have been fixed, further back 18:03:31 !bug 7929 18:03:32 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 18:05:30 ah. before my time 18:09:24 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:18:50 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:19:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:44 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:27:29 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:47 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:43:02 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:27 sequell is dead. is snark the person to tell? 18:45:52 who will bury him 18:46:22 -!- varmin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:22 -!- greensnark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:31 greensnark is dead oh no 18:48:43 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:01 -!- chance672 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:13 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:26 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:16 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:03:35 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03:54 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:50 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:11:46 so if you cast summon demon while worshipping dith, the demons you get can be hostile if they are fiery. is this intended? i know for menagerie, dithmenos just makes you reroll lindwurms 19:12:13 and most gods do that for summons they hate, in general, so it seems to me like dith should too 19:13:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:14:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:21:13 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:23:29 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:30:19 -!- Fusha has quit [] 19:41:57 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:43:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:20 amalloy: yeah that probably should be the case 19:51:20 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:51:42 I forget how dragon's call and shadow creatures are handled for dith 19:52:20 ??cdo 19:52:20 cdo[1/4]: Crawl server (also running 4.1), located in Germany, crawl.develz.org, telnet port 345 or ssh port 22, ssh-username: crawl, ssh-key necessary: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key (openssh) or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk (putty) 19:55:45 gammafunk: i think they get upgraded to iron/storm dragons 19:56:07 that seems bad 19:56:13 because the code that checks this stuff didn't consider angering fire monsters, and thought it was a downgrade for shadow/golden 19:56:32 MarvinPA: that meaning rerolling fire enemies? 19:56:33 probably a good way to fix it is to remove the fire conduct because it's weird and messy and doesn't do much interesting 19:56:36 yeah 19:56:42 I do agree with that one 19:56:47 upgrading them in particular is especially bad 19:56:58 but in general they are handled inconsistently overall i think 19:57:05 yes 19:57:26 we should either handle them consistently to at least be not annoying (which rerolling does without breaking things too badly) or remove the conduct 19:57:32 and the latter does seem preferable to mee 19:57:39 but I don't know what *mikee* would say 19:58:06 the fire conduct wasn't in the original design, not that it matters at all :P 19:58:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:58:12 oh, huh 19:58:16 so dithmenos would then have no interest in fire, your own or enemies'? 19:58:42 right 19:59:35 i think that'd be fine. it would make the FE^Dith high scores less exciting, alas 19:59:56 gressup accidentally set the record for defe^dith earlier today 20:01:01 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 20:01:21 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:03:15 !hs * --fe dith 20:03:16 20. flatmate the Bludgeoner (L20 GrFE of Dithmenos), mangled by a vault warden (a +3 battleaxe) on Vaults:1 on 2014-12-30 15:31:16, with 255794 points after 57840 turns and 3:05:28. 20:03:21 still not won 20:04:53 gressup could have done it. found :callings right after worshipping dith, and :summonings shortly thereafter. hard to get a luckier start 20:05:02 but he is not an experienced spellcaster, alas 20:13:33 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:20 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:19:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:13 -!- chance672 has quit [Quit: Leaving my desktop..... laptop possibly?] 20:42:47 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Quit: *ollies out*] 20:45:21 so i was thinking a way to handle this uniformly would be a function pick_allied_monster that takes a preference-ordered list of monsters to try, or takes a lambda for producing a random one, and rerolls N times before giving up. that would be easy enough to use in most of the places that summon stuff, i think 20:45:38 even if dith loses the fire conduct it would be nice to do this uniformly 20:50:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:57:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:00 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:01:59 -!- ohyou has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:05 well are there other instances where you can use it? 21:10:14 for instance in the "god hates this summon" code 21:11:19 -!- botbRAD has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:11:24 gammafunk: i was thinking that this uses "god hates this summon" itself. other places it can be used include like...everywhere you summon dudes 21:14:00 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:25 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:02 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:28 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 21:43:21 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:46:50 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:46 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:28 amalloy: yeah, you might want to talk to |amethyst about an implementation for it, but I'm happy to look at code 21:50:48 -!- Chance672 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:54:28 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:54:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:15 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 21:58:38 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:18 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:02:16 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 22:06:01 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:08:20 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:25 -!- joke_LA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:02 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:21:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 22:25:50 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:18 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:52:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:47 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:57:41 -!- Syndicus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:07 -!- Syndicus__ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:30 -!- Syndicus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:00:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:01:11 -!- alerty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:01:34 PleasingFungus: sorry, we checked your contract and you have to do the wordpress and changelog until 2020 23:01:34 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01:43 rip 23:02:16 how's it been going? 23:02:39 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:10 -!- Syndicus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:05:07 not to bad I guess? pretty slow in dev land 23:05:21 mm 23:05:30 I blame the torpor snails 23:05:33