00:02:54 alternate plan: you !tell miek that you implemented his idea, and he, being a kind and lovable soul, appreciates what you did just as much as if I'd merged it! 00:03:41 I will look at it if no one gets to it first, maybe not tonight though 00:07:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:17:54 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:20:22 -!- dakonic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:24:58 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:33 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1404-gb8113a6 (34) 00:31:39 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:32:37 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:36:17 ⚑ 00:36:34 I map altars to this now, I wonder if this would be good default in console 00:36:42 since _ can be a bit hard to see 00:37:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:37:37 I did that after missing an altar in an overflow; it's hard to make out when next to my stone glyph, which is the solid one people use a lot instead of # for rock 00:37:53 but it's probably still a bit hard to see over a # 00:38:12 kind of weird that it's a flag, I guess 00:42:32 -!- stubblyhead_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:18 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Client Quit] 01:00:13 -!- Flippers is now known as Menche 01:01:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:06:18 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:08:36 -!- stubblyhead_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1404-gb8113a6 (34) 01:13:17 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 38.0.5/20150525141253]] 01:14:14 -!- mspang_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:26 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:34:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:50 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:54 gammafunk: i use a lowercase pi 02:12:51 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:37 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:14:53 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:27 ontoclasm1: not bad, wonder if it's a bit similar to anything else 02:20:16 oh yeah, it's kind of too close to n 02:20:20 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:20:28 there aren't a lot of those at least 02:20:39 ??glyph 02:20:39 glyph ~ glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 02:21:20 oh I was thinking n was water nymph, but those are on m with the merfolk 02:21:34 yeah necrophages are pretty common in early D, so I'd prefer the flag 02:21:39 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:49 capital pi probably works just as well without as much conflict? 02:23:29 Πn 02:23:36 maybe not 02:23:48 yeah, it's better though 02:23:53 oh 02:23:57 it's too similar to a portal maybe 02:24:23 I've been using flag for a while, and it works really well, but I'm sure there are other good symbols that also work 02:24:39 I think there's a little church unicode one, but it might be double-width 02:26:35 u+2A6D looks comically like a dude praying on top of an altar, if you zoom in enough, but my IRC client won't render it: ⩭ 02:27:13 ≅ without the dot above 02:27:21 yeah obviously that won't work 02:27:27 since it looks like just = 02:27:44 does it? it seems like the third line is clear enough 02:28:08 I think if you're staring at that symbol alone, sure, but what about when there are dozens and dozens of symbols 02:28:18 i.e. in an actual dcss screen 02:28:32 you mean you don't use a terminal size of 3x3? 02:28:37 ??= 02:28:38 I don't have a page labeled = in my learndb. Did you mean: ', 6, ?, d, p, q, t, u, v, |, ©, ☡, 🌽, 🍕, 🐌. 02:28:51 ??coolplayer 02:28:51 coolplayer ~ coolplayers[1/2]: Players who have won at least one combo that makes a word online in 80x24 console using vikeys or arrows+numrow or an external numpad. 02:29:03 can't be a coolplayer if you don't use 80x24 02:29:11 !lm . won words 02:29:13 No milestones for amalloy (won words). 02:29:15 rip 02:29:23 !nick coolplayers 02:29:23 Mapping coolplayers => birdoprey theglow hyperbolic hyperelliptic elliptic minmay elynae mikee xomscumming tartakower nyaakitty casmith789 demonblade poncheis valrus n1000 sgrunt chris gammafunk 02:29:41 !lm gammafunk words 02:29:42 134. [2013-07-03 03:50:42] gammafunk the Petrodigitator (L27 GhEE of Vehumet) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:29:57 !lm gammafunk words won 02:29:58 81. [2013-07-03 03:50:42] gammafunk the Petrodigitator (L27 GhEE of Vehumet) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 02:30:06 ghee is a word? 02:30:16 yeah, an indian word for clarified butter 02:30:50 quite good in various indian dishes 02:31:26 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:35:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:37:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:46:24 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:49:06 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:51:20 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01:37 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:59 -!- Finwe^ is now known as Finwe 03:05:10 PProj intermittantly fails to work. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9798 by bcadren 03:09:35 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:49 -!- Guest1596 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:52 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:10:37 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:20 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:13:21 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:17:38 -!- Frelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:17:54 -!- Luca_Blight is now known as Idolo 03:22:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1404-gb8113a6 (34) 03:24:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:26:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:31:02 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:45:45 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:07:48 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:11:56 -!- zhaorenw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:17:18 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:00 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:21:32 -!- ecraven- is now known as ecraven 04:23:50 -!- Gurmil has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:26:20 Can not clear auto level annotation 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9799 by Chiseanne 04:27:19 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:46:25 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:55:41 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:56:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:58:47 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:02:22 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:08:14 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:09 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:43:38 -!- bitcoinbastard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:50:26 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 05:52:32 New branch created: pull/72 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/72 05:52:32 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/72 * 0.17-a0-1405-gbbb6814: Update Volcano armour loot distribution 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bbb68144d66a 05:57:49 -!- Idolo has quit [] 06:03:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:07:21 -!- Action013 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:14:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:22:04 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:23:13 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:25 -!- chequers_ is now known as chequers 06:26:06 have all my patches been committed in my absence 06:31:44 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:34:12 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 06:37:32 but how can I role play as a Fire Ogre without my volcano animal skin?!?! 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(master - b26dcb6 #2860 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/67717811 07:34:54 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:42:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:03 -!- groth_ has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:31 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:22 hey guys, what is XL in the formula for maxHp ? 07:56:29 does it stand for eXperience Level ? 07:59:05 -!- DDFig has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:02:21 ?? hp 08:02:21 hp[1/1]: Your max hp is Floor[(8 + Floor[(1+3*Fighting)/2]+Floor[11*XL/2]+Floor[Fighting*XL/14])*(1+Aptitude/10)]. See !apt hp for the aptitudes, or use "!hp [species] [XL] [Fighting]" to calculate. 08:02:22 yes 08:03:05 thank you, kvaak! It was a bit unclear on the wiki 08:05:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:06:37 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 08:15:09 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 08:20:07 ?? xp 08:20:07 xp[1/2]: You get this by killing monsters. It adds to your score and helps you train skills. See manual section E (?E ingame). 08:25:40 amalloy_: You'll want to print a message with crawl.mpr() when toggling that stop time command 08:26:18 er 08:26:27 with just mpr, sorry, since you're not in lua 08:32:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:51:42 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:55:18 -!- Weretaco has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:24 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:31 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:58 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04:02 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:21 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 09:07:32 -!- Lohengramm_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:01 -!- ohyou has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:01 -!- urechis has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:01 -!- Blazinghand has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:01 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:02 -!- schistosoma has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:02 -!- mspang has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:02 -!- Wah has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:02 -!- thrig has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:02 -!- endou___________ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:03 -!- tensorpudding has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:04 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:04 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:04 -!- Lohengramm has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:05 -!- Kalma_ is now known as Kalma 09:08:05 -!- SegFaultAX_ is now known as SegFaultAX 09:08:31 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:57 -!- Lohengramm_ is now known as Lohengramm 09:19:12 -!- AlphaQ is now known as 7GHAAIPDY 09:19:23 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:32 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:01 -!- DrStalker has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:01 -!- Buzzell has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:30 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:30 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:59 -!- 7GHAAIPDY has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:59 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:20:59 -!- kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21:28 -!- schisto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21:28 -!- timbabwe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21:29 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:22:53 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:30 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:32 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:35 -!- DrKe has quit [] 09:40:41 -!- Buzzell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:04 -!- agentgt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:52:17 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:23 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:56:00 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:09:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17:20 -!- atomicthumbs has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:24 people on tavern seem to insist that Ash transfer knowledge is never useful... I don't really understand what they mean (I use it, after all), but what about reducing/removing the costs (either xp or piety, I don't mind)? 10:34:45 i think it's fun 10:38:25 and while the piety cost & late availability restrict its uses somewhat imo it can be genuinely useful too 10:39:33 say you find a book of enchantments, you can essentially train charms at double speed with it 10:40:28 even if i've mostly used it for draining exp out of skills i don't use more, or swapping from one big weapon to another 10:40:40 kvaak: yes, like I said I don't understand the total negativity... it is intended to be a strategic power, that's not necessary to use in every Ash game 10:40:48 kvaak: but I wouldn't mind making it cheaper 10:41:13 draining piety over time instead of in one huge gulp wouldn't hurt 10:41:45 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:20 -!- Abuh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:46:23 ah, good idea 10:47:17 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:48:25 I am under the impression part of the problem is that, given the usual cost of exp at the point in the game when it becomes available, the exp cost (10%, iirc?) is seen to be high 10:48:46 <|amethyst> I think part of the problem is that it's seen as a way to correct mistakes 10:48:50 -!- argent0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:48:55 rather, skill 10:49:10 <|amethyst> and some players don't make mistakes, and don't like to admit it when they do 10:49:38 that also, but I think the learndb entry used to hint that the skill cost was not worth it? 10:50:33 |amethyst: hm, I never saw it like that... To me it's just flexibility: I can pump Poison without abandon, or any early weapon type, because the xp can be redirected later. 10:50:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:48 currently it just says "most chars won't need this in practice" which does imply correcting mistakes 10:51:22 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:51:24 geekosaur: if you never change your build, you don't need it... that was intended (for me) 10:51:43 I have used it to good effect 10:51:45 it has a very bad reputation considering that ash isnt very piety hungry 10:52:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:52:01 Ok, so what about this: halve xp cost, reduce piety cost to 50 and make piety loss take as long as the actual transfer? 10:52:17 50? 10:52:31 DrKe: it's true, and groupthink doesn't really help. 10:52:36 ??Reskill 10:52:36 reskilling[1/1]: Ashenzari's 5* ability. Pick a source and destination skill and exp will move from one to the other as you earn exp, at the cost of 21-31 piety and 10% of the exp being transferred. Most characters won't need this in practice. 10:52:40 geekosaur: thx 10:52:46 50 wouldn't be a reduction 10:52:48 <|amethyst> hm 10:52:49 sorry :) 10:53:03 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess piety cost was one of the big complaints 10:53:18 <|amethyst> 00:05 < minmay> I don't know how many players use reskill but I know how many players have actually improved a character by using reskill 10:53:19 |amethyst: but I don't understand that really either, but w/e 10:53:21 <|amethyst> 00:05 <+PleasingFungus> I did once!!! 10:53:26 <|amethyst> 00:06 < minmay> no you used reskill and in doing so made your char worse 10:53:32 <|amethyst> 00:06 < minmay> you might have thought it improved things but you are wrong 10:53:37 minmay is so dogmatic 10:53:40 <|amethyst> 00:06 <+PleasingFungus> at first, I had points in the wrong weapon skill. later: they were in the right weapon skill. 10:53:45 he would make a fine addition to the devteam 10:53:46 <|amethyst> 00:06 < minmay> PleasingFungus: and you lost like 30 scries 10:53:48 that;s typical minmay 10:54:11 only person who has any clue how to play the game correctly, it should be reshaped to his prefs, etc. 10:54:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54:23 <|amethyst> 00:08 < minmay> I mean obviously if it had no piety cost it would be very bad design-wise for other reasons, but it's about what it would need for me to actually consider it useful 10:54:27 When PleasingFungus loses 30 scries, somewhere in the desert minmay cries. 10:54:39 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:54:55 i would support making the exp cost 5% and drain piety over time 10:54:56 geekosaur: yes. The trick is to spot his good suggestions, which he hammers out once in a while. 10:55:07 but i dont think that most players use scrying enough for the skill to actually be cosnidered overpriced 10:55:14 <|amethyst> In that conversation it was pointed out though 10:55:19 the skill in question being xferskills 10:55:20 <|amethyst> reskilling + manual is a combo 10:56:04 |amethyst: yes, I am not convinced it is bad. It also means that in a game with many (otherwise useless) manuals, Ash's star shines brighter. 10:57:56 <|amethyst> (the conversation in question is 2015-03-11 near the beginning of the day) 10:58:18 !log minmay won ash 10:58:19 No games for minmay (won ash). 10:58:22 !log minmay won ashenzari 10:58:23 No games for minmay (won ashenzari). 10:58:28 !lg minmay won s=god 10:58:29 156 games for minmay (won): 53x Trog, 44x Sif Muna, 26x, 14x Vehumet, 10x Okawaru, 3x Xom, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 2x Lugonu, Makhleb, Jiyva 10:58:36 !hs minmay won ashenzari -log 10:58:37 No games for minmay (won ashenzari). 10:58:39 !hs minmay !won ashenzari -log 10:58:39 1. minmay, XL27 SETm, T:139892: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/minmay/morgue-minmay-20110327-191357.txt 10:59:01 i wanted to see how much he used scrying 10:59:07 no such luck i guess 10:59:58 <|amethyst> !lm minmay god.worship=ashenzari 10:59:59 1. [2011-03-26 22:30:03] minmay the Insei (L6 SETm of Ashenzari) became a worshipper of Ashenzari on turn 4902. (Temple) 11:00:07 <3 11:00:21 xferskills being -30 scryings is not a very compelling argument against using it though 11:00:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:28 even though its actually 10 11:00:33 four years of Ashenzari experience 11:00:34 well the thing is 11:00:38 ash has passive scrying 11:00:40 i think one game i used it many times 11:00:44 that doesn't cost piety 11:00:44 xferskills i mean 11:00:52 and it had the consequence that i ran around with 5 stars instead of 6 11:00:56 cause i just used it way too many times 11:00:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:00:59 DrKe: sounds good to me 11:01:00 it was a 15 rune spen 11:01:09 and i really used it an absurd number of times 11:01:18 im not sure how using it a couple times would penalize you really at all 11:01:26 other than that you spent those skill points to begin with 11:01:27 DrKe: xp loss!!!1! 11:01:29 and lost % of exp 11:01:34 it's not something you use on a whim, sure... but what 5* ability is? 11:02:21 ok, so now we need to find out whether we think cost reduction is called for, trying to avoid groupthink and antigroupthink :) In such a situation, I generally ask elliptic. 11:03:33 i think the piety cost itself is okay, instant drop from 5* to 3* isn't 11:05:07 good 11:05:48 -!- Frelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:20 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:17:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:11 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:59 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:05 -!- unthrig is now known as thrig 11:34:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:39:39 !seen elliptic 11:39:39 I last saw elliptic at Sun Jun 14 12:17:48 2015 UTC (1w 3h 21m 51s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'. 11:39:42 rip 11:39:45 ??dazed 11:39:45 dazed[1/1]: A status which makes a monster randomly skip 25% of its turns. 11:40:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:25 <|amethyst> hm 11:41:39 <|amethyst> kennysheep_sewer_church has lightgreen deep water 11:43:02 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:46 -!- joke_LA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:48:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:52:17 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:05 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:02 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1407-gde22cd8: Change can_see to take a reference 10(44 seconds ago, 67 files, 432+ 362-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de22cd8725c7 12:13:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:36 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:16 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I take it the rule you are proposing is "take a pointer only if the function accepts null or wants an array"? 12:18:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: sounds good to me 12:20:04 hadn't remembered the latter possibility 12:20:32 I was basically just adding that note to every function that deferenced a pointer without checking for null first 12:20:41 all the ones I ran into while fixing can_see() calls, anyway 12:21:03 <|amethyst> in the pointer case you'd usually write it as type foo[] anyway even if that is really a pointer when used as a parameter 12:22:55 <|amethyst> #define self (*this) 12:25:06 lotta *this uses, yeah 12:25:22 <|amethyst> silly C++ history 12:25:44 <|amethyst> had references been invented before methods, 'this' probably would have been a reference 12:25:52 <|amethyst> I can't think of any reason not to make it one 12:26:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:26 a null 'this' sounds rather far-fetched indeed 12:27:10 <|amethyst> Zaba: it's only far-fetched if it's not in the current segment 12:27:12 <|amethyst> *zing* 12:27:17 :D 12:27:53 oy 12:27:54 <|amethyst> reddit liked my "improved" case macros 12:28:08 link? 12:28:20 did you say segment? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the noise of TLB flushing 12:28:20 also 12:28:23 while ((spell = servitor_spells[i++]) != SPELL_NO_SPELL) <- I'm blaming you for this one 12:28:32 <|amethyst> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/39wkwi/x/cs75eun 12:28:49 <|amethyst> Sample response: SoftwareDeveloperGuy (1 link karmas, 436 comment karmas, 21 days) 10 points (+6/-0) 5 days ago Great, some fool is already using this somewhere... 12:28:54 lmao 12:29:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: don't blame me, I would have simplified based on the assumption that SPELL_NO_SPELL is 0 12:30:10 <|amethyst> and reduced the scope of spell in the process 12:30:45 <|amethyst> probably though it could just be a for loop if we removed the SPELL_NO_SPELL at the end 12:32:55 sure 12:33:02 please don't touch it right now though 12:33:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:56 -!- Kraito has quit [Quit: Must Feed] 12:37:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: sure, make me handle the merge conflicts :) 12:38:08 I didn't know you were already changing it! 12:38:30 <|amethyst> no worries 12:38:38 -!- kvaak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:49:52 what on earth 12:49:59 why did I just gain xp for hitting &G 12:50:16 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:50:32 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:38 can't reproduce. very strange. worrying. 12:51:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:39 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:55:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if you had hit the monster 12:55:51 hm 12:56:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it looks like KILL_RESET doesn't actually avoid XP, but rather it doesn't credit the "damage" to anyone 12:56:32 <|amethyst> not sure if it was that way before the recent changes/refactorings 12:57:15 a bit odd 13:01:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:34 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:35 The build failed. (master - de22cd8 #2861 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/67741479 13:02:35 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:03:20 fuck me 13:03:22 god damn it 13:04:23 PleasingFungus: :( 13:04:32 haha it's not serious 13:04:35 just forgot about tiles 13:04:37 which is ironic 13:04:37 <|amethyst> solution: remove tiles 13:04:43 remove |amethyst imo!!! 13:05:23 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:45 |amethyst: the only way! 13:05:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1408-g1e89f00: Fix tiles compilation 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e89f009253d 13:07:12 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:42 here, i'll toss this up somewhere so people can look at it 13:08:53 New branch created: exorcise (2 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/exorcise 13:08:53 03PleasingFungus02 07[exorcise] * 0.17-a0-1409-g905f0dd: De-ghost-demon-ify liches/aliches 10(2 weeks ago, 6 files, 210+ 232-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/905f0dd5fd87 13:08:53 03PleasingFungus02 07[exorcise] * 0.17-a0-1410-g45bcbd4: De-ghost-demonify spellforged servitors 10(12 minutes ago, 7 files, 93+ 88-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/45bcbd422a23 13:09:32 not pushing because I want to do more with the same minor tag 13:09:40 Tiles are no fun. Tiles endanger the life and happiness of millions. It must stop. We appeal in particular to the youth of today. Stop the madness. There are better things in life. 13:10:04 (Any metalheads to get the reference?) 13:10:06 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:11:30 references? are those like jokes? 13:11:35 I don't know anything about those. 13:13:29 man 13:13:31 %git 8a4e7f54fa8b285ce39b12c00cd345ffc9d52935 13:13:31 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-1336-g8a4e7f5: Remove the random penalty to attack speed for wielding a shield with UC 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8a4e7f54fa8b 13:14:00 Roadrunner records had a campaign "Never stop the madness", s/tiles/drugs/, 13:14:15 but I think tiles are worse. 13:14:40 idk that a 10% increase in attack speed is trivial 13:15:43 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:24:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1407-gde22cd8 (34) 13:28:42 PleasingFungus: why does everyone talk about UC like the only level that matters is 27/ 13:29:34 7% sounded uglier, so I rounded. 13:29:52 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:29 I wonder how abusable cblink is on e.g. tomb:3, now 13:37:37 -!- melenkurio has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:38:39 and Zot:5 13:39:01 as always, the scroll is fine, the spell may not be 13:43:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1409-ge6d9485: Changelog through 0.17-a0-1408-g1e89f00 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 19+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e6d9485f985e 13:44:58 changelog: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-21-june-2015 13:45:30 small and large aboms? 13:45:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:46:44 I was counting abominations as one category, though it's a fair answer 13:47:04 the can_see thing reminded me: why is there both visible_to and can_see 13:47:08 and, hm 13:47:27 <|amethyst> visible_to doesn't care about LOS 13:47:28 just check our extensive & robust comments. 13:48:35 huh 13:50:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51:09 i guess i don't know anything 13:51:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:34 -!- vale has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:43 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:00:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:11:26 -!- vale has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:19:03 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:21:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:24:29 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:24:32 -!- Kraito has quit [Quit: Must Feed] 14:28:13 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:43 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:32:40 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 14:34:01 -!- mmazing has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:39:28 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:29 The build passed. (exorcise - 45bcbd4 #2863 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/67745607 14:39:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:44:34 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:50:46 Simpler, less scummy DD healing 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9800 by bel 14:51:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:54 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 14:53:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:58:07 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:01:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(master - e6d9485 #2864 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/67748578 15:28:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:28:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:05 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 15:32:57 elliptic: thanks for FR reply! 15:34:07 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:34:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:02 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 15:36:40 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:58 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:44 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 15:42:00 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:17 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:53:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:39 -!- tcsc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:56:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:49 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59:51 -!- Fusha has quit [] 16:00:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:02:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:05:19 cblink is quite exploitable on zot:5 now, especially if you can use PoG to instantly teleport back to the stairs once you have the orb 16:06:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:06:29 -!- copt has quit [] 16:07:05 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:07:31 anyone excited to merge my wizmode "freeze time" button? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/71 16:08:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:19 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:09:39 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:36 -!- giantbat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:15:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:17:52 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:20:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:09 -17 dex stat drain from Xom petrify+quasits led to "forced XP grind or death" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9801 by RobertPalmer 16:27:25 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28:27 grind core or death metal, that is the real question 16:28:38 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:28:42 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:28 why not both 16:33:55 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:34:08 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:19 amalloy: uh, how would you use PoG to instantly teleport back to the stairs 16:34:39 the spell has extremely limited range and the orb gives you the old -ctele effect too 16:35:05 kvaak: you lay down a PoG on the stairs, blink to the orb chamber, lay down another PoG, pick up the orb, and step in 16:35:14 mibe did it in a recent game but i don't recall which 16:35:25 !lg mibe won 16:35:26 33. Mibe the Conqueror (L27 CeFi of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-18 22:25:19, with 13274449 points after 120645 turns and 7:37:21. 16:35:30 !lg mibe won -2 16:35:31 32/33. Mibe the Skullcrusher (L27 OgCK of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-17 04:52:59, with 15318317 points after 102472 turns and 6:45:58. 16:35:43 !lg mibe won -3 16:35:44 31/33. Mibe the Conqueror (L27 TrMo of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-06-15 11:20:12, with 15358293 points after 102560 turns and 8:49:39. 16:36:45 wait what 16:36:48 since when does pog work like that 16:37:20 since ever 16:37:34 it doesn't create two connected endpoints 16:37:40 it adds two endpoints to your connected network 16:38:11 and the network doesn't need LOS or anything 16:38:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 16:39:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:40:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:05 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:01 ah, it was his ogck 16:41:19 !lm mibe orb won -2 -tv 16:41:20 32/33. Mibe, XL27 OgCK, T:101838 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 16:41:21 kvaak: ^ 16:41:40 -!- fizybubbleh has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:38 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:49 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:46 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 16:47:57 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:50:55 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:33 -!- rubinko__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:31 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:03:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:36 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:08 -!- tcsc_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:17:10 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:18:50 -!- urechis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:23:02 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 17:23:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:26:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:26:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:27:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 17:31:25 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:37 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 17:32:50 -!- medeah has quit [Client Quit] 17:36:15 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:38:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:39:36 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:41:22 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 17:42:07 -!- dakonic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:00 -!- ShopKeeper_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:55:50 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:57:20 -!- cappsio_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:29 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:59:16 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:59:43 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:00:42 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:46 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:48 -!- tcsc_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:49 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:06 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:20 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:45 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 18:05:25 -!- amalloy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:08:04 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:39 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:18 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1409-ge6d9485 (34) 18:11:33 ecumenical altar is a cool idea. im guessing its guaranteed in all temple layouts? 18:13:14 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:58 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:33 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:14:46 evilmike: i think it shows up on d:2 or so 18:14:53 i haven't seen it in temple 18:15:00 oh i see 18:15:02 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:19:23 oh, it's evilmike 18:19:34 I actually like the idea of having an ecumenical altar in temple 18:23:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:50 anyone here able to help compiling crawl on a mac? 18:23:53 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:53 gammafunk? 18:24:01 i got a new computer 18:24:28 Nicks-MacBook-Pro-2:Crawl nick$ git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 18:24:29 Cloning into 'crawl'... 18:24:30 fatal: Could not read from remote repository. 18:24:31 Please make sure you have the correct access rights 18:24:32 and the repository exists. 18:24:41 ^^^There’s my error 18:25:09 lobf: we moved to github from gitorious 18:25:13 you need to use the github url 18:25:15 ??git 18:25:15 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 18:25:21 wow 18:25:22 oh well there ya go 18:25:25 ??github 18:25:26 github[1/1]: The site that hosts the crawl git repository at https://github.com/crawl/crawl 18:26:45 cool, that worked, thanks gamma 18:26:57 git remote set-url origin htpps://github.com/crawl/crawl 18:27:05 er s/htpps/https/ 18:27:14 but anyhow that should update the main url 18:27:55 ??git[2 18:27:55 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 18:28:16 ??gitorious 18:28:16 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 18:28:22 so according to this 18:28:23 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8462&p=114701#p114701 18:28:36 My next step is to enter 18:28:37 git submodule update --init 18:28:47 but that gives me an error too 18:28:48 you might need to change the submodule urls 18:28:55 how do 18:29:10 “Nicks-MacBook-Pro-2:Crawl nick$ git submodule update --init 18:29:11 fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git" 18:29:18 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:28 what I'd do is probably just edit ~/.git/config and find the lines like 18:29:43 [submodule "crawl-ref/source/contrib/fonts"] 18:29:44 url = git://github.com/crawl/crawl-fonts 18:29:51 but yours will have gitorious 18:30:01 you can just delete those lines and run that command you gave again 18:30:29 or you can edit the urls to refer to github (url = https://github.com/crawl/crawl-fonts for example) 18:31:27 lobf: you're in the wrong directory 18:31:29 i’m trying to understand what that means 18:31:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31:47 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:53 PleasingFungus: you were exactly right 18:31:54 duh 18:32:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:44 yeah that too :) 18:32:52 but you probably have to change your submodule urls 18:32:56 one way or another 18:33:33 and also change operating systems to a real one 18:33:41 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:33:58 what do you mean? it sounds like he's already using the best operating system. 18:34:04 heh i’ll need more detailed help whenevr i have to do that 18:36:22 PleasingFungus: have you read the writings of onget 18:36:35 Did you mean: onet 18:36:50 no, I mean the tavern poster 18:37:04 gammafunk: I did! One of our most die-hard fans. 18:37:22 I deleted tavern from my browser history on the computers I use 18:37:30 lies 18:37:39 truth. 18:37:49 PleasingFungus: but who will inject occasional bouts of sanity now? 18:37:51 dpeg: I admit I'm easily drawn to the combination of terrible english and outright hostility 18:38:02 dpeg: twelwe, obviously. 18:39:49 gammafunk: n'oublier jamais les nains du mont!! 18:40:00 pardon my French 18:40:18 someone speaking yet another language I don't understand, as an American this makes me furious!!! 18:40:32 gammafunk: what's your language count? 18:40:39 And I don't mean programming languages :) 18:40:48 according to duolingo, I'm 30% fluent in german 18:40:49 gammafunk: ganz wie Sie wollen, mein Herr. 18:40:51 so 1.3 I guess? 18:43:32 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:01 first thing duolingo does is use "mein name ist" instead of "ich heie" 18:44:29 i'm not claiming to be fluent in german or anything but i don't recall anyone telling me to use the former anywhere ever :u 18:47:21 kvaak: it could happen 18:48:31 I'm not saying it's incorrect, just that it's weird 18:48:40 slightly weird 18:48:44 ein Bisschen komisch :) 18:52:49 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:07 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:56:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:17 apparently I'm 1% fluent in german 19:00:22 whatever that means 19:00:27 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:01:56 duolingo makes a lot or weird/funny sentences, but they seem to be correct and do force you stop and think more about the translation 19:02:03 s/lot or/lot of/ 19:07:21 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:12:52 gammafunk makes a lot or weird/funny sentences, but ... 19:12:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:17:05 people I don't know pinging me in irc with nothing don't get to make funny sentences for long ... 19:17:13 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:24:33 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:36 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 19:28:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:32:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:32:17 hrm 19:32:18 .gfmap 19:32:19 325. xgamer67 the Basher (L13 DsWn of Ru), succumbed to a wolf spider's dark miasma on D:15 (gammafunk_enter_depths_forms) on 2015-06-21 19:19:14, with 38433 points after 26416 turns and 1:46:19. 19:33:22 I guess always attributing that to a shapeshifter wouldn't be much better, but maybe we could attribute it to the form when it was created 19:34:07 so it would be "a death drake's miasma" 19:34:18 <|amethyst> how? 19:34:35 <|amethyst> store the monster type in the cloud? 19:34:36 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:34:44 along with what I assume we already store? 19:35:02 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:42:26 <|amethyst> hm, I guess storing the name makes more sense 19:42:45 <|amethyst> since the monster type isn't enough to infer the full name 19:47:00 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:57 <|amethyst> hm, I wonder if cloud_struct::name is ever actually used 19:50:31 can fog machines change the name? 19:50:52 <|amethyst> they can, but I don't see any that actually do 19:51:19 <|amethyst> that would be an 11+-argument call to dgn.apply_area_cloud 19:53:33 the arguments to _place_new_cloud seem dubious 19:53:57 the calls pass lots of arguments already in a cloud_struct 19:56:02 but I also can't really find any instance where ::name is ever not from cloud_data 20:00:57 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:03:34 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:10:00 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:11:43 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:59 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:14:07 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:15:36 -!- LightBud has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:18:03 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 20:18:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:20:49 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:26:13 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:29:33 -!- Senjaii has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:31:47 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:32:58 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:28 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:36:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:40:05 -!- Chance672 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:40:29 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:05 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:51 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:45:18 -!- ohyou has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:59:53 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 21:00:09 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:36 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:02 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 21:15:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:14 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21:55 -!- wizjiz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:04 -!- twofortypee has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:32:10 PleasingFungus: good "from whence" on this blog post 21:32:39 I think I was subconsciously influenced by a weird throw.cc message 21:32:46 (returning weapons launched by something out of sight) 21:33:24 wow 21:33:42 both the comment and the actual message use "whence" wrong, but in different ways 21:33:47 %git 2b9aeac74ca6a5526074df933c71c85daf970474 21:33:48 07sorear02 * 0.6.0-a1-1957-g2b9aeac: Give ugly things fixed speed (Eronarn) 10(5 years ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b9aeac74ca6 21:33:50 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:51 haha 21:35:23 abominations have/had random speed? 21:37:06 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 9 | HP: 30-65 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 361 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 21:37:06 %??large abomination 21:44:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:48:03 <|amethyst> @??large abomination 21:48:16 <|amethyst> hm 21:48:24 <|amethyst> oh, gretell is missing 21:48:31 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 9 | HP: 30-51 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 313 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 21:48:31 <|amethyst> %?? large abomination hd:9 21:48:36 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 10 | HP: 35-59 | AC/EV: 12/6 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 304 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 21:48:36 <|amethyst> %?? large abomination hd:10 21:48:53 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 11 | HP: 34-64 | AC/EV: 12/7 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 516 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 21:48:53 <|amethyst> %?? large abomination hd:11 21:48:53 fr: make abominations always speed 12 21:49:54 -!- tcjsavannah_ has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah_] 21:50:27 <|amethyst> FR: make abominations not undead anymore 21:50:32 <|amethyst> (removing monster TR in the process) 21:52:48 isn't their whole flavor that they're multiple corpses smushed into a single thing 21:53:04 yeah, they seem to meet the definition of undead 21:53:42 oh you mean remove TR so that this flavor thing isn't a problem 21:57:59 |amethyst: you know that reaverb de-demonified them? 21:58:12 if they aren't undead and aren't demonic, idk what they are... would be weird if they were natural 21:58:27 all-natural grass\-fed abominations 22:10:48 MH_ABOMINATION 22:10:50 problem solved 22:10:51 right 22:10:53 >_> 22:11:50 -!- mmazing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:11 <|amethyst> MH_ABERRATION MH_FEY MH_MONSTROUS_HUMANOID MH_MAGICAL_BEAST 22:20:26 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:29 <3 22:22:21 MH_CONSTRUCT MH_ELEMENTAL MH_OUTSIDER 22:22:29 MH_OOZE 22:24:14 MH_BATTLEMAGE 22:25:51 MH_ELDRITCH 22:26:02 (that would work for most of the abyss stuff) 22:26:20 counterpoint: no it wouldn't 22:26:27 rip 22:26:40 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:08 <|amethyst> the problems are 1. figuring out god kill appreciation for MH_ELDRITCH 2. figuring out how it differs from MH_NONLIVING and/or MH_DEMONIC 22:28:21 <|amethyst> 1. is probably simpler now than it used to be 22:29:00 <|amethyst> simpler to implement, that is 22:36:28 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:59 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:43:21 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:49:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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