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13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/70 00:17:49 03Cole Thompson02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/70 * 0.17-a0-1394-gf53dfbb: make monsters have better self-preservation around clouds 10(5 minutes ago, 5 files, 56+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f53dfbb68bec 00:18:46 -!- ho has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:41:01 -!- Guest63321 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:30 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:09 -!- Fusha has quit [] 00:45:12 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:48:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:48:40 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1403-g9df874c (34) 01:07:31 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:23 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:14 -!- mmazing has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:13:38 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form 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9797 by Arrhythmia 02:27:44 -!- Whistling_Bread is now known as Cerpin 02:33:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35:02 -!- sederynick has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:17 -!- groth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:47:55 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1403-g9df874c 02:58:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:59:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12:00 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1403-g9df874c (34) 03:18:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:22:43 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:44 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27:46 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:29:19 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:47 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:34:37 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:39:30 -!- 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(D:8) 09:21:42 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:30:07 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:50:21 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:52:31 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:53:23 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:54:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:57:33 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:03:19 herbaltea (L27 OpTm) (Pan) 10:04:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:08:50 why are shaft traps allowed to generate on the first few floors 10:10:17 I thought hidden shaft traps didn't turn up until D:4? 10:11:25 -!- Gilihad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:17:20 bh: Nope they can spawn on D:1 10:17:37 just had 2 games ended thanks to unlucky shaft traps on D:2 and D:3 10:26:16 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:33 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:34 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:42 !tell gammafunk wrt captain's cutlass, my objection was to it being called a cutlass but not cutting; I was fine with it becoming the rapscallion's rapier (and not cutting) or w/e. 10:48:42 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:49:17 !tell gammafunk don't think it becoming a lbl was ever suggested; seems like it'd be an unfortunate change, we already have plenty of lbl unrands and not very many sbls 10:49:18 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:50:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:19 -!- agentgt_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:02 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:51:40 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:54:14 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:24 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01:01 -!- Ironfoot_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:01:14 anyone object to making shafts always visible on D:1 & 2? (my guess is yes) 11:06:24 I'd also say 3 11:07:04 you won't get disagreement from me there, but I'd like more input 11:11:58 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:20:15 <|amethyst> perhaps removing them altogether (from the affected levels) would be better? 11:20:23 <|amethyst> so it's less of a buff for the player 11:21:46 <|amethyst> (I think it's probably a buff either way, but both reducing the number of invisible shafts and increasing the number of visible ones seems unnecessarily friendly) 11:22:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:47 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:35:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:37:01 early hidden shafts are fine and great imo 11:37:01 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:41:20 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:41:24 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:51:29 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:57:14 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:57:28 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:03:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:03 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:42 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:14:56 !tell amalloy i've skimmed discussions of it in backlog, implementing a menu-within-a-menu for tons of toggles does seem like a red flag to me. the abilities just don't seem very interesting until 5* to me either 12:14:57 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 12:20:21 the +2 fire dragon armour of Dim Light {rF++ rC- rCorr, rF++, rC-} 12:20:23 is this right? 12:20:40 no, it lacks rF++ rC- 12:20:56 why is there a comma between the latter pair but not the former 12:21:05 oh maybe it's my rc 12:21:53 yes it was, never mind that 12:21:58 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:27:50 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:35 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:42 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:18 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:18 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 12:33:33 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:48 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:35:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:22 -!- seriallos has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:40:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:42:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:37 -!- giantbat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:13 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:34 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:52:37 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:54:52 -!- giantbat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:23 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:01:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:06:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:08 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:08:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:27 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:13:55 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:24:02 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:46 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:26:36 -!- dc192168 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:30:10 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:20 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:33:51 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:59 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 13:39:19 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:46:12 -!- wagama has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:47:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:56:34 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:04 -!- mmazing has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:02:25 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:52 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:04 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:23 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:37 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:51 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:36 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:23:19 -!- Frelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:24:30 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:07 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:57 -!- olourkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:11 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:13 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:32:31 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:31 -!- BOTBrad_ is now known as BOTBrad 14:33:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:34:35 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:35:11 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:37 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:38:09 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:13 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42:40 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:23 why are mutations that ruin aux slots considered "good"? 14:56:03 did the dev who implemented that actually think they are good, or is it a balancing factor to make sources of "good" mutations weaker? 14:58:46 -!- ShopKeeper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:21 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:02:35 -!- soeti has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:38 <|amethyst> rast: "good" for mutations just means "not bad", and those aren't considered bad because they give a benefit 15:03:53 <|amethyst> and the head slot is the only one you're likely to lose from random mutations 15:04:16 so a mutation that gave +2 Str -4 AC would be considered good 15:04:25 because it gives a benefit 15:04:37 and yes obviously I just lost my head slot 15:05:12 I found a pot of good mut on zot:5 and I thought, the only possible bad outcome here is if I grow antennae or horns 15:05:27 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:34 -!- ashudal has quit [Client Quit] 15:06:23 anyway, I think they shouldn't be considered good, because in balance they are a negative 15:06:24 <|amethyst> evolution is another 15:06:57 evolution is amazingly good, 15:07:09 <|amethyst> evolution can give you worse things than antennae 15:07:24 it can, but on balance its the best mutation 15:07:37 like, if horns gave +5 slaying in exchange for losing helmets 15:07:45 it would eb fair to call it good 15:08:11 <|amethyst> ??aux attacks[2] 15:08:11 auxiliary attacks[2/4]: Base damage: Kick: 5 + (hooves mutation level * 5 / 3) + (1 + talons mutation level) + (tentacle spike mutation level) | Headbutt: 5 + (horns mutation level * 3) | Peck: 6 | Tail-slap: 6 + (stinger mutation level * 2 - 1 [venom branded]) | 15:08:26 reduced by AC 15:08:30 and doesntr trigger too often 15:09:46 -!- urechis has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:20 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:13:34 placid magic improves spell success and mp-powered wands increase your wands' power 15:13:53 is the second currently considered good? 15:13:57 no 15:14:08 yeah, I would hope not 15:16:58 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:19:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:59 avis (L16 DDBe) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. 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Instead, there is a chance for a trail to be created with a shaft at the end. Shaft generation rate upped from ~2% of all traps to ~5%. Shafts have 50% chance of being created as revealed, this chance decreases as dungeon depth increases. 10(6 years ago, 2 files, 62+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/905d7f0ef509 17:17:33 minmay: ^ I hope that explains everything. 17:17:34 -!- DrKe_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:35 -!- tcsc_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:17:54 -!- Grunt_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:59 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:28 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:33 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:06 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:23 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:01 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:20 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:20 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:21 -!- QuailChaser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:21 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:21 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:21 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:22 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:22 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:22 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:22 -!- rubinko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:23 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:23 -!- Grunt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:23 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- vible_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- plathrop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:24 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:25 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:25 -!- wamaral has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:25 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:31 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 17:20:42 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:22 -!- plathrop has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:05 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 17:22:21 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:40 -!- omniscient has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:54 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. 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18:05:00 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:02 0 18:05:03 -!- minmay_ is now known as minmay 18:05:36 to me it sounds good but you'd really need to come up with some way to make them stronger (or players weaker) 18:05:41 could poke at HP for most of them, but idk that it'd solve the cockroach problem 18:05:51 certainly less trivial than i was thinking 18:05:59 was more thinking about EV tweaks, which are simpler 18:06:19 I wonder if it'd make any sense to try to normalize EV without also normalizing AC 18:06:24 giant frog (03F) | Spd: 15 (swim: 60%) | HD: 4 | HP: 14-29 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 9 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | XP: 90 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 18:06:24 %??giant frog 18:06:32 ball python (03S) | Spd: 12 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 2, 103(constrict) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 12drown | XP: 1 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 18:06:32 %??ball python 18:06:37 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 18:06:37 %??rat 18:06:48 for some reason every early game monster apparently has 10 or 15 ev already 18:06:56 they foresaw this! 18:06:59 except for ball python which has 11 18:07:01 it was all part of linley's plan... 18:07:09 oh, and goblin is 12 18:08:04 i think hobgoblins would end up very different regardless of how you change their hp 18:08:26 and kobolds 18:08:39 just give them some animal hides, which aren't included in the display 18:08:40 boom 18:08:48 problem DEFINITELY solved. 18:08:54 ...fuck, that would actually work 18:08:57 hahaha 18:09:10 'work' with finger quotes 18:09:39 it totally would though 18:09:45 every background already has an animal skin or something better 18:09:56 and they don't get gdr or anything 18:10:30 but I mean, I feel like it'd still make the monster xv display kind of 'dishonest' 18:10:36 not worse than at present 18:10:38 the rare case where a kobold finds actual armour wouldn't really change much (you still wouldn't want to fight it) 18:11:20 PleasingFungus: so shouldn't you take away orcs' and elves' armour then? 18:11:31 that's why I meant 'not worse than at present' 18:11:55 idk, solving the problem of 'monster ac/ev displays are inaccurate' by giving them ac that the game doesn't display seems 18:12:05 possibly better than the current approach, but still goofy 18:12:07 if you see what i mean 18:12:21 I can't 18:12:23 Well, the game does display it, it says "this dude is wearing an animal skin" 18:12:46 you could also just show the monster AC and EV numbers since like...that's how they're shown for players... 18:13:03 please don't be ridiculous. 18:13:38 i was kind of afraid to say that because i worried you would change player AC and EV displays into a bar instead 18:13:43 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:51 Round player AC and EV to the nearest multiple of 5. 18:14:02 lmao @ both 18:14:10 tbh I was waiting until someone mentioned displaying ac/ev numerically 18:14:13 was surprised it took that long 18:14:38 I suppose you weren't around for the spell hunger display conversations 18:14:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:57 don't recall 'em 18:15:04 ah, when you departed the choko dimension? 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ZZZzzz…] 23:19:31 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:38 -!- xtwvoodoo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:53 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:29:51 would anyone object if i added a wizmode toggle for "all your actions take 0 time"? miek was saying a while ago that he likes using wizmode to explore vaults, but he either has to do the annoying xm to move thing, or deal with monsters waking up 23:31:11 -!- ShopKeeper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:31:11 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:18 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:09 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:46 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:35:39 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:37:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:26 i would use that 23:41:42 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:46:22 DrKe: nobody objected, so i implemented it. PR incoming 23:48:13 oh man, i called it super speed but it should be freeze time 23:48:14 "nobody objected, so I implemented it" sounds like famous_last_words material 23:49:08 Webtiles server restarted. 23:49:15 brb renaming everything 23:53:29 does nemelex piety max out at 149? 23:53:35 or is the bot just crazy 23:53:46 !lm * start>20150615 god=nemelex s=piety piety>140 23:53:47 431 milestones for * (start>20150615 god=nemelex piety>140): 104x 149, 92x 192, 92x 200, 55x 198, 27x 199, 25x 159, 21x 170, 9x 162, 6x 144 23:53:55 ok, it's just me. weird. 23:54:11 !lm rast start>20150615 god=nemelex s=piety 23:54:12 84 milestones for rast (start>20150615 god=nemelex): 84x 149 23:54:22 explain that :/ 23:54:41 rast: gifts 23:55:19 that looks more like a buggy milestone that you got a zillion times or something 23:55:25 gifts keep me stuck at 149 all game? 23:55:34 i dunno i guess it is weird 23:55:39 i'm fairly sure I got to six stars at one point 23:55:43 !lm rast start>20150615 god=nemelex s=milestone 23:55:43 84 milestones for rast (start>20150615 god=nemelex): 3x escaped from the Abyss!, 2x was cast into the Abyss! (drawing a card), reached level 3 of the Elven Halls., entered a Bailey., killed Mara., entered the Lair of Beasts., left the Vaults., entered the Crypt., reached level 5 of a Ziggurat., found a gossamer rune of Zot., left the Crypt., reached level 4 of the Orcish Mines., found a barnacled ... 23:55:46 I know I ended the game at five stars 23:56:20 I think somehow it's counting all piety over 149 as 149 for that game 23:57:29 New branch created: pull/71 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/71 23:57:29 03amalloy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/71 * 0.17-a0-1405-g637bf3d: Add "freeze time" option to wizmode 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/637bf3d46c01 23:58:20 gammafunk: since you seem to be around, can you merge this so i can !tell miek his feature has landed?