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02:00:11 lemme try 02:02:04 -!- dakonic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:10:13 I did a 'make clean' and reran 'dgl update-trunk' it fails at the same step (CXX initfile.o) 02:11:05 http://pastebin.com/KVKN9NWU 02:11:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:17 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:23:06 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 02:23:29 -!- Joob has quit [Quit: Joob] 02:32:12 Syndicus: oh, internal compiler error 02:33:12 hm my swap is full? let me reboot this box 02:33:14 hrm, I wonder if that will go away if you don't enable debugging symbols with -g 02:33:25 oh yeah that doesn't sound good 02:33:44 i was having trouble with apache earlier with something unrelated and it was giving me mem leaks 02:33:54 seg fault when activating a wordpress plugin 02:34:59 -!- Buzzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:36:01 -!- thecondor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36:11 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:36:54 -!- Buzzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:20 !cbzz 02:37:20 No players. 02:38:42 Webtiles server started. 02:39:50 -!- Salivanth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:43:33 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:48:18 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:50:53 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:56:42 Unstable branch on crawl.buzz updated to: 0.17-a0-1181-gabc46e6 (34) 02:56:47 ;) 03:02:54 so has anyone figured out why krakens still flee yet 03:04:17 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 03:09:22 you mean the ink thing? 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I am hyperborean on all other servers. A griefer got hyperborean on clan and lost to screw up my stats. Proof: all wins for hyperborean are cszo/cbro. hyperborean game on clan was played after games on cszo/cbro. Thank you! 08:34:02 !tell halberd I'll see what I can do 08:34:02 TZer0: OK, I'll let halberd know. 08:37:45 !tell halberd I'll also try to wipe the game. 08:37:46 TZer0: OK, I'll let halberd know. 08:38:25 !tell |amethyst is there a way to wipe games for a user from my server? Someone griefed the stats of a player by suiciding to a Kobold on my server. 08:38:25 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:39:23 ??cbro 08:39:23 cbro[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots 08:52:02 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 08:52:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:57:28 <|amethyst> TZer0: there is no way 08:57:51 <|amethyst> TZer0: that would have to be done in sequell and scoring somehow 08:58:04 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 09:00:44 <|amethyst> :q 09:00:46 <|amethyst> doh 09:00:57 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:33 <|amethyst> hm... I cannot verify that halberd and hyperborean are the same person on CSZO 09:01:41 <|amethyst> hyperborean does not have an email address 09:01:45 <|amethyst> let me check IP logs 09:02:53 where do I check those? 09:03:00 <|amethyst> yes, hyperborean and berder do have the same IP 09:03:28 <|amethyst> TZer0: look in /crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log (and .1 .2 depending on how long ago it was) 09:03:33 I'm also 100% certain it was a grief. The log shows a DDEE walking up to a kobold and s-ing to death 09:03:48 or morgue rather. 09:04:02 <|amethyst> TZer0: search for 'User hyperborean logged in' and look at the socket number just before that (#12345 etc) 09:04:10 yeah, but whcih file? 09:04:21 <|amethyst> TZer0: then search backwards from there for "#12345 Socket opened from ip" 09:04:32 <|amethyst> TZer0: /crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log 09:05:11 172.10.197.110 09:05:48 <|amethyst> oh really 09:05:56 hmm? 09:06:01 <|amethyst> TZer0: you're sure of this? 09:06:13 Socket opened from ip 172.10.197.110 (fd186, compression: on). 09:06:17 Registered user hyperborean. 09:06:25 <|amethyst> same # on both lines? 09:06:29 yeah. 09:06:31 1815. 09:06:46 <|amethyst> DrKe: are you here? 09:06:54 yeah 09:06:58 <|amethyst> 09:06:41 ۰۰-- DrKe [~ab@172-10-197-110.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net] 09:07:03 <|amethyst> Care to explain? 09:07:10 <|amethyst> the hyperborean account on clan 09:07:32 yeah, i made it to mess with him 09:07:37 ... 09:07:40 thanks for creating a mess 09:08:03 sorry 09:08:06 he was really annoying me 09:08:06 ...... 09:10:49 Right, I'm considering if I should simply deactivate your users on my server right now. 09:11:23 i dont have anything else to say about it 09:11:47 okay, find yourself a different server. 09:12:55 i mean, i don’t play on clan 09:13:26 but i am sorry for messing for your server 09:13:30 s/for/with 09:13:45 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:14:01 i had no intention of playing any more games on that account, either 09:14:09 really a better action woudlve been to just make the account and not play a game 09:14:27 for the point i was trying to make in the dispute i was having with him 09:14:39 but i shouldnt have made the account 09:14:53 DrKe: or learning how to ignore people. 09:14:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:15:35 that is what i did afterwards 09:16:33 but yeah, go ahead and tell him it was me, he will consider it a victory 09:16:50 as he does every interaction he has with anyone, no matter how negative 09:17:36 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:54 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:19:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:19:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:12 is this the part where someone figures out i was scarletj all along 09:27:25 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:32 |amethyst: PM me borean's email? 09:34:04 if I remove the morgues and replays.. can we then wipe the entry from the scoring system? 09:34:22 because it will otherwise be redetected, right? 09:35:18 amethyst is away right now, i think 09:35:42 <|amethyst> it's the log files and milestones that scoring and sequell use, not the morgues and ttyrecs 09:36:04 <|amethyst> and you definitely don't want to edit those, because they are pulled with wget -c (only getting the new stuff), so any change in length is really bad 09:36:08 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:36:23 <|amethyst> let me look at the database schema for scoring 09:36:31 <|amethyst> sequell would have to be handled separately 09:36:39 could you reply to my pm? 09:36:46 <|amethyst> I have nothing to say to you 09:37:14 why not? 09:37:56 im very confused as to how making an account that is a duplicate of someone else’s alternate account is an unforgiveable crime against humanity 09:38:08 <|amethyst> It's not 09:38:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:16 <|amethyst> but it will get you banned from servers 09:38:49 so you’d rather i not be a part in the crawl community anymore? 09:39:08 <|amethyst> sounds good 09:39:20 <|amethyst> but that's not my call 09:39:32 <|amethyst> my call is that you don't play on CSZO or CAO any more 09:39:32 well, considering cszo is your server it is 09:39:38 and i will only play there 09:41:06 like how is that an appropriate administrative action at all 09:42:32 you can answer that question at least 09:42:43 -!- sk3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:43:35 <|amethyst> What would be an appropriate administrative action then? 09:43:44 <|amethyst> Talk to you until you pretend to be contrite? 09:43:46 a warning? 09:43:49 <|amethyst> then say "Don't do it again" 09:44:09 that sounds appropriate to me 09:44:18 DrKe: consider the fact that every admin and dev in here gives you time for free 09:44:29 yes, i respect and appreciate that 09:44:30 Every action you take that creates more work is a huge fuck you to every one of us. 09:44:35 and i give back to the community 09:44:49 ive said fuck you once 09:44:53 ive shown gratitude many times 09:45:18 do you want a list of people in this channel alone who would cite me as a positive influence 09:45:45 Webtiles server stopped. 09:45:50 you are server admins who do not know me, and ive tried to be understanding of that 09:46:03 Wooooow 09:46:07 but its a severe overreaction to one silly action 09:46:08 did you.. just go there? 09:46:18 it was directed at amethyst more so 09:46:23 because i said something to him in pm 09:46:29 im not sure it got through 09:46:43 but i think he would not have done that if he had talked to me more than once in the past 09:46:51 <|amethyst> "i have nothing but good intentions for the crawl community outside of berder" 09:46:57 not that line 09:47:06 the line about us not being well acquainted 09:47:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:49:03 "you are server admins who do not know me, and ive tried to be understanding of that" 09:49:15 I mean, really? 09:49:26 i completely understand the way you reacted tzero 09:49:38 -!- nimitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:38 you reacted appropriately given the context 09:50:21 you should delete my accounts on your server 09:50:43 i dont think amethyst should delete my account that ive played 2k games 09:50:51 because i played 1 game on someone’s alternate account out of being upset once 09:51:49 You're not realizing that you're oozing of toxicity in what you're sending right now? 09:51:59 The line I quoted for instance. 09:52:19 that was a bad thing to say 09:52:29 i already said i understood you 09:52:36 i shouldnt have said that 09:52:53 heres the thing, i shouldn’t have said anything 09:53:12 You should run a /quit or /buffer close and come back tomorrow. 09:53:25 the thing is i’m not angry 09:53:34 i might be tired 09:53:36 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: I am] 09:53:49 ok well 09:54:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:54:37 another time, then 09:55:40 i mean i would probably benefit from a break 09:55:55 but i actually dont want to do that with bad blood 09:56:12 tzer0 i am sorry though, i didn’t think he would contact and make more work for you 09:56:26 He didn't make more work for me. You did. 09:56:40 i was the ikiller 09:56:50 Seriously, run that /quit and come back tomorrow. 09:57:06 am i really coming off as that angry 09:57:26 like prior to neil getting upset 09:57:34 was i that toxic sounding 09:57:36 im going to read it again 09:57:53 No, you're coming off as rather deflecting. 09:58:09 i immediately said i did it and why i did it 09:58:30 there are a number of things i couldve said to confuse the issue but thats not my style at all 09:58:45 i don’t lie 09:59:03 but i will take your advice 09:59:11 and not continue airing this out here 10:04:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:04:26 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:22 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:19:00 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:19:33 -!- lol10801lol has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 10:20:58 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24:13 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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18:08:43 -!- CrayRabbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:11:31 -!- rdtyfughj has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:12:48 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:15:19 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:04 @??lost soul 18:20:04 lost soul (09*) | Spd: 13 | HD: 10 | HP: 15-33 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 07undead, evil, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 103 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 18:20:07 this shouldn't give xp 18:22:46 -!- ohyou has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:59 why not? 18:23:16 because it submerges 18:23:51 well, teleports. But it already incentivizes you to kill it before it triggers, 18:27:34 it seems strange to me that a monster you are apparently not supposed to be able to kill without another monster nearby, gives xp for killing it 18:28:15 and also doesn't give xp when you kill it by killing that other monster 18:28:47 If you weren't supposed to be able to kill it, I'd think it would teleport faster. I think the premise is that it is challenging to kill before it executes its pirpose 18:28:49 *purpose 18:29:05 well obviously it's still trivial to kill, but I assume the *intent* was that you shouldn't be able to kill it 18:29:37 but obviously nobody agrees so I'll just drop it 18:29:49 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:37 :shrug: I don't have a strong feeling about it 18:31:05 teleport? 18:31:22 i thought they just go poof if there's nothing to revive nearby 18:31:25 i always thought it was a submerge 18:31:29 apparently we were both wrong 18:31:42 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:00 My understanding is that they teleport to a strong resurrectable target 18:32:40 I haven't checked it in code, but I think that's what the release note said 18:33:28 "The lost souls flickers out of the living world." 18:34:36 I guess there's room for interpretation but I always just assumed they decide to fuck off 18:35:35 &" clearly disagrees with me though 18:35:36 The lost souls shouts, "I've had it with this crap. See you in hell!" and removes itself from the game. 18:35:46 <|amethyst> actually 18:35:49 <|amethyst> it could be either 18:36:03 <|amethyst> if it doesn't find anywhere to go, there's a 1/3 chance of dying 18:36:17 <|amethyst> !source _lost_soul_teleport 18:36:18 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-abil.cc#l830 18:36:36 <|amethyst> same message in either case 18:37:06 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:18 huh, apparently 18:37:31 heh 18:37:34 awkward 18:37:37 i chased this lost soul around for a while and now &" no longer finds it 18:38:13 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:41:42 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:43:21 is there a wizmode feature to see through walls? i know you can magic map, but a couple times i've wanted to be able to see what monsters are up to 18:43:40 activating scrying as if via ash would work, but i couldn't figure out how 18:45:15 amalloy: &V 18:45:44 ah, thanks 18:46:17 -!- Ipsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:29 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:54 -!- Joob has quit [Quit: Joob] 18:56:35 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:58:21 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:49 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:00:51 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:01:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:02:13 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:50 -!- Ipsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:13 -!- Ipsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:06:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:23 I'd like to apologize to the devteam 19:10:20 for the fact that tavern now believes rupert farming was overpowered 19:10:56 Rupert farming? 19:10:58 !lm Lasty 19:10:58 9931. [2015-05-31 23:09:00] Lasty the End of an Era (L26 DrMo of Qazlal) reached level 5 of the Realm of Zot on turn 70519. (Zot:5) 19:11:15 Lasty: going to leave another surprise in the orb chamber for me? 19:11:22 gammafunk: That's the goal! 19:11:34 it was funny seeing how you died 19:11:37 I can't believe I was dumb enough to die to a ghost on Z:5 19:11:41 "How on earth is his EV so low?!" 19:11:43 Pure stubbornness 19:11:52 then I saw how much you were drained 19:11:58 yeah, I was drained like 8 levels 19:12:01 more than that 19:12:06 your dodging went 15->1.5 19:12:12 At that point I wanted to kill the ghost more than live 19:12:15 wow, that's pretty neat 19:12:27 if I'd been even slightly smart it would have been trivial 19:12:37 it was a Su ghost, bless its heart 19:12:46 I was pissed off about mps bullshit and wasn't playing smart 19:12:51 with no summons even 19:12:53 but with crazy EV 19:13:01 it did have a bunch of summons actually 19:13:08 really? Never used any. 19:13:10 probably just didn't use them 19:13:11 That I recall. 19:13:13 yeah xxx and everything 19:13:19 I wish it had used them 19:13:22 then I would have run :p 19:13:37 !lg lasty place=zot:5 19:13:37 5. Lasty the Eye of the Storm (L26 DrMo of Qazlal), slain by hito's ghost on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2015-05-30 20:44:30, with 613598 points after 74583 turns and 3:50:32. 19:13:43 -!- megane has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:48 that's about 5 too many 19:13:48 !log hito tesu place=zot:5 19:13:49 1. hito, XL27 TeSu, T:87097: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/hito/morgue-hito-20150530-194414.txt 19:14:11 w 19:14:12 hahaha, only 53 19:14:13 wow 19:14:17 xxx, haunt, menag 19:14:20 well, that explains a lot 19:14:29 and spire and forest 19:14:34 though I doubt monsters cast forest 19:14:58 yeah I'm not sure which the ghost actually had 19:15:03 since it wouldn't get all of those 19:15:31 I'm not actually sure that your ghost noticed me 19:15:40 since it never peaked out of the orb chamber 19:15:40 it was busy feeling ashamed 19:16:04 Giving excuses to orb guardians 19:16:16 "...but seriously you just *couldn't* hit this guy!" 19:16:38 "I know I should have teleported away, but it was -this close- to dead!" 19:17:42 ho boy, hat of the high council 19:18:12 winner winner chicken dinner!!!! If only you could wear it, the mana cage helmet, and the crown of eternal torment at the same time 19:19:43 man, desu with etermnal torments....felid hp 19:19:46 *eternal 19:22:41 gammafunk: but at least you'd be doing Sandman25-style ideal play 19:23:01 Lasty: bart's posts in that thread were really good I felt 19:23:06 basically summed up the situation exactly 19:23:14 the reason why I still like necromutation 19:23:23 Yeah, I think he did a decent job of summarizing. 19:23:36 I think I got short shrift on my first post of the thread. 19:23:48 Trying to actually address the OP's questions 19:24:06 that's a dangerous thing to do! 19:25:37 Lasty: by the way have you seen https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16352 19:25:44 admittedly I lost my cool entirely after Sandman25 started being an as 19:25:46 ass 19:26:01 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:03 yeah, I saw that 19:26:26 I think the ability descriptions cover it, but I should check 19:26:32 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:26:36 yeah, I seem to recall that this is indeed explained 19:27:08 yeah, looks correct 19:27:33 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:10 bleh, DsHu is up next. boo to unreformed ranged 19:31:06 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:31:13 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:32:18 has anyone been using lower-level Gell's? 19:34:02 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:11 -!- Earlo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:59 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:36:18 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:36:49 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:37:16 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:38:34 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:52 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39:50 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:47 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:44:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:46:45 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:48:06 -!- Vall has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.28/20150413164133]] 19:53:02 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:56:23 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:04:24 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:31 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:56 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:34 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:39 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:29:46 -!- Joob has quit [Quit: Joob] 20:34:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1182-g4d2fed2: Flaggify is_ghost_demon 10(27 seconds ago, 3 files, 16+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d2fed2d5ddb 20:37:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:04 -!- sk3 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:52:57 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:37 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:57:51 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 20:59:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:36 OgFi > * 21:07:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read them. 22:59:55 !messages 22:59:55 (1/2) roctavian said (4d 23h 47m 26s ago): i hear you've made some giant tiles -- i have also made new giant tiles. we should communicate 23:00:55 !tell roctavian :o??? 23:00:55 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 23:01:55 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 23:04:20 Lightli: yes, piety gain for those gods was greatly reduced because of corpse sacrifice loss 23:04:42 trog piety gain is still ridiculous though 23:04:50 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:06:16 -!- jspengler has quit [] 23:06:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:09 !gkills hito 23:11:10 6 kills by hito's ghost: Tarezax, Denvon, MongoFromTheCongo, Lasty, Snack, SwampDonkey 23:11:16 Lasty_: gratz (: 23:14:39 !lg lasty 23:14:40 370. Lasty the Basher (L12 DsHu of Makhleb), mangled by a freezing wraith in IceCv (ice_cave_small_necro) on 2015-06-01 02:10:32, with 24048 points after 16651 turns and 0:45:14. 23:14:47 !lg lasty dr 23:14:47 21. Lasty the End of an Era (L27 DrMo of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-05-31 23:22:50, with 1661370 points after 72282 turns and 4:17:19. 23:14:53 ok phew 23:14:57 > 23:14:59 ? 23:15:07 didn't you see 23:15:13 !lg lasty dr place=zot:5 23:15:13 1. Lasty the Eye of the Storm (L26 DrMo of Qazlal), slain by hito's ghost on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2015-05-30 20:44:30, with 613598 points after 74583 turns and 3:50:32. 23:15:53 was worried we'd have a repeat or something 23:16:09 since he hadn't ascended when I last looked 23:16:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1184-gb75be8f: Remove lost souls' XP (minmay) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b75be8f3565e 23:16:39 chei's so fast these days... 23:16:57 gammafunk: ah, god, hadn't realized he'd played another game in 24 hours 23:17:02 I was in fact congratulating him on that death 23:17:14 haha 23:17:23 because my sense of humor is twisted & deformed (crawl ref!!!) 23:17:27 thanks for the great ttyrecs as always, Lasty! 23:18:12 I watched xom make a grck's trip through the moon base become Very Interesting 23:18:29 was a good ttyrec despite the no death (barely avoided at 5hp at one point) 23:18:53 PleasingFungus: do lost souls still give piety? or is that taken care of by that no_exp flag? 23:19:15 v0v 23:19:18 monsters with the no xp flag don't give piety, no 23:19:39 someone can revert this if there are terrible downsides I didn't think about 23:19:47 but there are some bugs wrt giving piety when not giving no xp that I'm finally going to fix tonight 23:19:54 er when not giving xp 23:20:02 so negative 23:20:32 except not when you don't ungive not xp never to no one 23:22:13 agreed 23:22:55 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 23:23:13 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:23:39 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24:25 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 38.0.1/20150513174244]] 23:27:14 hey gammafunk 23:27:18 when's the lab rework coming 23:31:51 this is. odd 23:31:58 hm 23:34:16 looks like sivn isn't marshalled in mon-info 23:34:20 *sinv 23:35:05 o 23:35:07 that's because nothing uses it 23:35:27 wait no nvm 23:35:50 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:53 -!- Utrick has left ##crawl-dev 23:37:55 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:39:03 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:11 ha ha ha 23:41:13 bug found 23:41:55 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43:11 !seen |amethyst 23:43:12 I last saw |amethyst at Sun May 31 22:36:35 2015 UTC (5h 6m 36s ago) saying 'same message in either case' on ##crawl-dev. 23:43:13 !seen geekosaur 23:43:13 I last saw geekosaur at Sun May 31 00:40:56 2015 UTC (1d 3h 2m 16s ago) saying 'although really you should cp crawl-ref/settings/init.txt ~/.crawlrc; git checkout crawl-ref/settings/init.txt' on ##crawl-dev. 23:43:18 hrm 23:44:07 you raaaaang? 23:44:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:44:52 (: 23:44:59 I'm trying to add a vector field to the 'ghost' struct in mon-info 23:45:07 !source mon-info.h:235 23:45:07 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.h#l235 23:45:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:45:28 compilation blows up because vector has a non-trivial destructor, so now the union needs to have a destructor 23:45:54 I have two questions: (1) why on earth is there a union (2) how do I define a destructor for a union 23:46:17 I have the same first question, if that helps :) 23:47:25 hm 23:47:33 I wonder what happens if I just 23:47:35 delete it 23:48:52 I think given it only contains one thing, that's correct 23:48:58 (rather one alternative) 23:49:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:14 oops 23:49:16 normally you'd have to use whatever acts as a tag to figure out which element to remove 23:49:20 er delete 23:49:45 so is there any plan to augment kiku to balance out my zombies disappearing? 23:49:58 don't know of any 23:50:12 http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/union 23:50:23 well wtf 23:50:47 it should cost no piety to summon corpses then 23:50:52 That would make it fair 23:51:07 hm 23:51:10 duly noted 23:51:14 If the idea is to make it more like any other summon, then reduce / eliminate piety cost 23:51:19 word 23:51:35 crawl dev works in mysterious ways 23:51:38 sometimes things get stronger 23:51:41 sometimes things get weaker 23:51:49 I do hope something that that is a possibility, since my kiku game is weak right now 23:52:02 the game is big enough that we don't put any particular effort into avoiding shifts in power 23:52:06 it all evens out sooner or later 23:52:12 heh i know 23:53:00 also, out of curiosity, was 'free corpses' a serious suggestion 23:53:16 yeah 23:53:29 i mean i’m not kidding, kiku is really weakened by this change 23:53:40 that was the first thing that came to mind 23:53:52 why not, if they disappear anyways? 23:55:34 <|amethyst> there was a much bigger Kiku nerf, anyway 23:55:45 among other things, they aren't limited by the LOS attack limitation 23:55:54 I'd rather not bring back oldsummoning 23:55:56 <|amethyst> %git e314e46 23:55:56 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-966-ge314e46: Make Cigotuvi's Embrace a little less silly with vast numbers of corpses. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e314e4625871 23:56:54 <|amethyst> !lg * recent max=ac x=ac,status 23:56:55 862061. [ac=438;status=mighty,brilliant,agile,phasing,flying,very slightly contaminated,corpse armour] Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 23:58:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:58:35 ruined... 23:58:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1185-gbfa9b6a: Remove a single-element union 10(77 seconds ago, 5 files, 70+ 73-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bfa9b6a815bf 23:59:10 |amethyst: ^ let me know if you have any idea why that union existed