00:02:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:24 huh. I'd been suggesting making clouds ignore half ac (and adjust base damage), but making resists apply second might be simpler & more consistent 00:05:24 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:06:28 also 00:06:30 !tell wheals https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16197&p=221345#p221345 00:06:30 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:08:52 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:01 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15:39 man PleasingFungus, you had to link the tavern and make me lose 30 minutes 00:15:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:15:46 um 00:15:52 it's only been 10... 00:15:58 felt like 30 00:16:01 haha 00:16:10 that's fair 00:16:16 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:18 just got the kids to bed (10pm yay!) so I'm trying to figure out what to do with the remnant of the night 00:16:34 hm. kids. wouldn't recommend having any of those 00:16:38 seems like a questionable play. 00:16:59 too late now 00:17:14 well, we all make mistakes. 00:17:17 (: 00:17:33 anyway, as a master codesmith, you should fix the thing I linked wheals to. 00:17:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:46 switch to TSO, bless your children with more time in this world 00:18:42 i am about to die to natasha. i hate HESk 00:19:00 good job, natasha! 00:19:14 !lg * killer=natasha s=xl -graph 00:19:15 6258 games for * (killer=natasha): https://shalott.org/graphs/a1c1f51c494b7e8a9660d7de264eb04e2cd63468.html 00:19:31 hope you are under level 9 00:19:32 !lg x=xl 00:19:33 265. [xl=16] amalloy the Slicer (L16 KoHu of Okawaru), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 glaive) on Orc:4 (st_orc_elflike) on 2015-05-19 05:05:14, with 77282 points after 29993 turns and 4:08:25. 00:19:38 uh 00:19:47 that is not the game 00:19:53 !gameinfo amalloy 00:19:54 amalloy the L3 HESk^ in D:2 (cao console), T:1885, defenses: 6/9/0, stats: 12/15/15 00:20:27 it was even on her second life. she was weakened 00:20:52 does natasha's HD drop every time she's killed? 00:21:08 something like that 00:25:50 by 1, yes 00:28:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:30:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1079-g9903972: Don't die when acquiring armour for felids (9729) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/990397274cf7 00:31:20 !lg * kmap~~pf_ 00:31:21 198. shooth the Cruncher (L12 MiGl of Okawaru), mangled by an ice devil on Orc:4 (pf_orc_diabolical) on 2015-05-18 12:24:37, with 17458 points after 17862 turns and 1:24:40. 00:31:25 !lg * kmap~~pf_fires 00:31:26 No games for * (kmap~~pf_fires). 00:36:23 !tell chequers let's chat about bribe branch sometime 00:36:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 00:36:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 00:42:44 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:45:14 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:50:52 hi 00:50:52 chequers: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:51:00 !tell pleasingfungus come backkk 00:51:01 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:53:10 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:06 !lg * kmap~~pf_ s=kmap current 00:56:07 136 games for * (kmap~~pf_ current): 110x pf_orc_diabolical, 16x pf_overflow_fires_of_destruction, 9x pf_torpor_hydra, pf_snail_temple 00:56:23 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:00:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:01:19 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:03:43 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:11:09 -!- Okiemurse_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:13:14 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:54 -!- nikitamog has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:17:04 -!- BanMido has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:19:04 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 01:22:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:05 The build has errored. (master - 9903972 #2642 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/63122040 01:23:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:23:58 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:24:00 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:27:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:30:05 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:34:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:37:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:02 -!- MathSquared has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:54:24 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 01:59:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:59:13 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:01:11 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:58 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:54 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:08:22 -!- Crawl_Bacchus has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 02:08:36 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:12:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:13:22 -!- paos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:16:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:36 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1079-g9903972 (34) 02:33:28 -!- Inferior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:35:21 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42:38 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:34 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:50:51 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:03:32 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:48 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:11:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:22 -!- thylo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:25:37 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:54 !messages 03:28:55 (1/1) |amethyst said (16h 23m 44s ago): underhound.eu's milestones and logs are in the scoring db now... but I noticed that it's stuck at -1020. That probably means you need to switch to github in dgamelaunch-config/crawl-build/crawl-git-repository/.git/config 03:31:13 !tell |amethyst done. 03:31:14 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 03:32:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:15 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1079-g9903972 (34) 03:44:21 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:51 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:01:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:02:05 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:02:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:05:57 -!- belkinsoop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:41 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:08:22 -!- Ontamu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:08:25 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:09:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:32:03 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:33:13 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:45:32 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:58 !tell greensnark sooo.. everyone is getting free streaks on my server - it seems like the wins have been duped :S 04:45:58 TZer0: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 04:49:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:50:01 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 04:51:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:57:16 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:58:39 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59:29 -!- Siveran has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:07:41 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:07:52 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:08:51 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:09:27 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:10:39 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:12:43 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:16:24 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:28:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:56:40 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:43 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:01:27 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:52 -!- CacoS_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:06:04 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:15:32 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:36 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:20:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:12 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:15 -!- Sixotanaka has quit [Client Quit] 06:27:41 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:27:55 development feels slow these days 06:39:41 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:42:38 -!- Okiemurse_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:51:37 -!- Okiemurse_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:56:49 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:58:08 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:34 -!- wat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:27 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:07:23 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:11:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1080-gdcfc0f3: Tweak Bolt of Draining description 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcfc0f374634 07:11:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1081-g97eef23: Remove Black Mark's vampiric effect, unify and simplify effects 10(71 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/97eef23fd888 07:11:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1082-gbf07bef: Simplify steam resistance 10(32 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf07bef39f47 07:11:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1083-ga2a74e4: Remove some niche effects of dexterity 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a2a74e45161e 07:17:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17:24 very nice! 07:24:12 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:25:04 -!- panicbit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:53 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:31:52 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:40 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:43:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:43:38 -!- Okiemurse_ has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 08:00:15 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:08:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:30 The build failed. (master - a2a74e4 #2643 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/63161307 08:08:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:09:53 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:10:03 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:27:08 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:30:34 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:30:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:38:13 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:38:35 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41:27 -!- carwin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:54 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:48 -!- ze__ has quit [Client Quit] 09:07:32 TZer0: Ah thanks, I forgot that aspect. I'll fix it now 09:07:32 greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:07:35 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:16 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:02 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:57 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:37:14 -!- zxc2321 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:25 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:53:35 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:56:09 !tell marvinpa nice on the dex commit 09:56:09 chequers: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 10:00:33 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:49 -!- dethyl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:01:51 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:30 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:58 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:12 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:03 -!- zxc2321 has left ##crawl-dev 10:15:14 -!- zxc2321 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:15:26 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:09 -!- Sixo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:36 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:36:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:37:07 -!- neotelesocio has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:37:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:42:30 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:19 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:55 -!- Sixo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:52:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:54:54 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:56:25 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:56:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Client Quit] 11:00:50 Typo in park serial vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9731 by Skrybe 11:04:06 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:23:40 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:29:26 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:19 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:36:21 -!- yxhuvvd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:39 -!- seriallos has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:06 03chequers02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.17-a0-1084-gb9e5cdf: Make potion petition price more variable. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9e5cdf736c2 11:41:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1085-g6badaef: Fix a vault tag typo (#9731) 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6badaef61c0a 11:41:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1086-gd0d39a2: Remove some obscure int checks 10(37 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0d39a27dd47 11:41:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1087-g6b5d0f1: Improve CBoE description, prevent use at 0 MP 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 14+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b5d0f11cb3f 11:42:35 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:10 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:48:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1087-g6b5d0f1 (34) 12:07:08 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:25:11 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:26:43 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:27:03 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:30:08 -!- mnoleg69reagan42 has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:30:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:17 -!- dethyl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:42:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:44:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:50:28 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:50:48 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:22 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:57:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:17 The build is still failing. 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Use !messages to read it. 15:13:02 <|amethyst> not sure what the best interface for that would be 15:13:46 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:13:58 <|amethyst> can't just let a provided nonzero loudness override explosion_loudness, because hellfire has a loudness of 9 from the zap 15:14:36 <|amethyst> though I'm not sure whether that 9 for hellfire (and 6 for orb of electricity) actually does anything either 15:14:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:35 <|amethyst> (also, I have no idea how zap hit_loudness and spell effect_noise interact :( ) 15:15:57 |amethyst: i mean you can add another field, if nothing else, to indicate noise of the zap and noise of th explosion, if you want to set them independently 15:16:01 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:17:07 <|amethyst> well, the zap loudness is hit_loudness so presumably centred at the same spot as the explosion 15:18:00 <|amethyst> so I don't know if it makes sense to have both 15:20:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:13 <|amethyst> %git ebce0ae5 15:21:13 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.6.0-a0-2080-gebce0ae: Sound overhaul: sound where spell hits 10(6 years ago, 4 files, 194+ 98-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ebce0ae5a24d 15:22:08 that's always kind of confused me 15:30:29 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:58 <|amethyst> !learn add noise[2] that's always kind of confused me 15:31:59 noise[2/3]: that's always kind of confused me 15:32:03 <|amethyst> ??noise[3] 15:32:03 noise[3/3]: Splashing in water: 8; Door creaks: 10; Maximum melee attack noise, Shout: 12; Slamming a door: 15; Qazlal rumble: piety/10 up to 16 at 5*; Dragon shout: 18; Scroll of noise, storm cloud arcs lightning, Chain lightning: 25; Shatter: 30; Singing Sword: 15-35; Shield of the Gong blocks, Alarm trap: 40 15:32:19 the noise system isn't all that confusing 15:32:33 it's just, like, what's the point of that anyway 15:32:39 <|amethyst> !learn del noise[2] 15:32:39 Deleted noise[2/3]: that's always kind of confused me 15:32:53 |amethyst: arguably !learn mv noise[2] zap[1] :P 15:32:59 <|amethyst> ??zap 15:32:59 shock[1/1]: Level 1 conjuration/air spell which fires a weak bolt of lightning. It's still lightning though - prepare for {bolt bouncing} (and exploit it, if possible) 15:33:14 <|amethyst> !learn add zap[1] that's always kind of confused me 15:33:14 zap[1/2]: that's always kind of confused me 15:33:49 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:51 <|amethyst> !learn add zap[1] A layer in the code containing data about some beam spells, wands, and various other spell-like things, intermediating between spells and beams. Duplicates some spell data in a confusing way. Not used at all for monster spells, why would you expect that? 15:35:52 zap[1/3]: A layer in the code containing data about some beam spells, wands, and various other spell-like things, intermediating between spells and beams. Duplicates some spell data in a confusing way. Not used at all for monster spells, why would you expect that? 15:38:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1088-gc2e90c0: Fix spacing 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c2e90c0c8a95 15:38:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1089-g1d06212: Make some "unobtainable" items slightly more so 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d06212888c4 15:38:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1090-g553a620: Remove a reference to Lava Orcs 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/553a6203ced9 15:38:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1091-gcbc66c7: Don't list unobtainable items in the stash tracker 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbc66c7ac9c7 15:39:28 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40:10 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:15 that first one was a hell of a commit 15:43:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:47 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:47:16 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49:03 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:17 -!- Jesse__ is now known as doubtofbuddha 15:51:44 -!- mefis231 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:23 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:00 -!- seriallo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:01 -!- nikitamog has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:33 -!- seriallos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:57:23 -!- seriallo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:58:37 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00:47 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:03:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:04:06 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:55 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:09:52 -!- Weretaco has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:10:22 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:10:44 -!- MathSquared_ is now known as MathSquared 16:11:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:55 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:38 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:15:26 -!- nikitamog has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:19:22 -!- MolotoveVGC[mac] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:24:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1092-gc664a5b: Make wizmode spell memorisation instant and less restricted 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 30+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c664a5b7465e 16:27:50 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:29:49 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:09 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:31:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:24 -!- MolotoveVGC[mac] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:35:02 marvin: thanks! 16:35:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:36:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:37:45 ah, that's handy, MarvinPA. just yesterday i tried &! to learn something or other and discovered i didn't have enough spell levels 16:38:02 yeah it's annoyed me forever, i can't believe i only just got around to doing something about it :P 16:38:36 <|amethyst> usually my problem was trying to memorise the spell after creating the monster I planned to use it on 16:38:47 that too, yeah 16:45:28 -!- MolotoveVGC[mac] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:20 -!- aves_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:51 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:55 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:51:31 New branch created: ctele (6 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/ctele 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1093-gd3ff9eb: Remove rings of teleport control 10(3 weeks ago, 24 files, 41+ 76-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3ff9ebd4353 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1094-g40c05dd: Remove the Control Teleport spell 10(3 weeks ago, 12 files, 5+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40c05dd37121 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1095-g4d59868: Remove the book of Control 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 12+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d5986834cad 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1096-g50ac6a6: Remove the control teleport duration and -cTele level flag 10(3 weeks ago, 44 files, 77+ 484-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50ac6a6d7006 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1097-g511cf5e: Merge the no_rtele_into vault tag/prop into no_tele_into 10(2 hours ago, 55 files, 198+ 198-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/511cf5e03df4 16:51:34 03MarvinPA02 07[ctele] * 0.17-a0-1098-g217f327: Make carrying the Orb prevent controlled blinks from working 10(38 minutes ago, 2 files, 31+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/217f3279e377 16:52:25 what do you guys think of putting runed doors on cheibrodos_stairvault_heist? it's a cool "obvious trap" vault, except that the player is probably using autoexplore anyway and so just stumbles into a pretty nasty situation. if the doors forced you to not autoexplore, i think players would appreciate the setup more 16:52:31 !vault cheibrodos_stairvault_heist 16:52:32 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l3016 16:53:30 i guess the monsters in the corners are supposed to serve the function of stopping autoexplore? i wonder how well that works in practice. maybe the runed doors aren't needed anyway 16:57:35 question about the ctele removal 16:57:56 well, 2 actually, the big one being why 16:58:36 the small one being wouldn't the removal of the -ctele level flag make getting the orb of zot easier with blink scrolls/cblink? 16:59:10 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:10 it turns an interesting unreliable escape into a boring reliable one and it existing means the -ctele exceptions have to exist which are inelegant and awkward 17:00:35 thanks 17:00:54 -!- Crawl_Bacchus has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 17:01:19 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:01:51 and probably yes it would have some effect on the orb grab, but that could be compensated for in other ways if necessary (i'm not sure it would even be necessary, personally) 17:02:09 I do see the orb still messes cblink up at least 17:02:29 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:30 The build is still failing. (master - cbc66c7 #2645 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/63235802 17:02:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:02:34 also, are there any sources of semi-controlled blink left or should those be removed as well? 17:02:52 semicontrolled blink is gone as a result, yeah 17:02:52 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1092-gc664a5b (34) 17:03:19 sicne there's no way to control a random blink, and fully controlled blinks just degrade all the way to random with that last orb commit 17:03:25 since* 17:03:28 !messages 17:03:28 No messages for TZer0. 17:03:41 !won 17:03:42 TZer0 has won 15 times in 2203 games (0.68%): 2xVSBe 2xVSSk 1xDDNe 1xDsWz 1xFoAK 1xGrTm 1xHOGl 1xHuDK 1xLOBe 1xMiMo 1xOgHu 1xTrCK 1xVSFi 17:04:27 an alternative suggestion i've seen for the orb is to make being on the same level as it prevent cblinks, rather than just carrying it 17:04:53 either way it's an awkward exception that i'm not keen on, needs some thought i guess 17:05:49 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:06:04 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:07:02 I'd lean towards the latter if anything since it at least keeps the status quo for Zot:$, but I'm not a developer so 17:07:09 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 17:10:53 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:04 -!- carwin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:25:37 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:37 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:30:40 I haven't been able to find my dev time recently 17:30:58 oops, replied to a message that was hours ago 17:33:22 Lasty1: did you see the stuff in the scrollback about loudness of power leap? i noticed that in 40f1b263da9ebaea04380ca6ce530ba668d8748f you're trying to set its noise level, but bolt::explode ignores loudness 17:33:53 amalloy: yeah, I was surprised to hear that 17:34:10 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty 17:34:15 it turns out that power leap is exactly as loud as fireball 17:34:26 because they're 3x3 explosions 17:34:34 yeah, that's kinda funny 17:34:41 but 15 isn't a bad loudness, I thnk 17:35:07 *chuckle* says the guy who tried to set it to 2 17:35:35 well, i knew it wasn't using the normal loudness scale 17:35:42 that was pretty obvious 17:36:07 that it wasn't using those numbers at all, tho.. 17:41:11 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:43:41 -!- MathSquared has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:44:45 -!- Chance672 has quit [Quit: Leaving my desktop..... laptop possibly?] 17:46:39 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:47:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:49:35 ??book of control 17:49:35 book of control[1/1]: Control Teleport, Control Undead, Enslavement, Mass Confusion, Metabolic Englaciation 17:50:49 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:59 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 17:59:31 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 18:00:33 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:02:05 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:46 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13:55 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:56 The build was fixed. (master - c664a5b #2646 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/63243402 18:13:56 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:13:58 -!- koolguydude has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:17:05 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:17:40 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:04 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:21:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:06 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:34 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27:38 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:01 -!- BOTBrad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:31:04 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 18:31:07 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:27 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:53:24 !tell MarvinPA the worst lua I've ever written 18:53:25 Grunt: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 18:53:39 !tell MarvinPA it was my intent when I wrote that to somehow allow lua access to the spawn tables 18:53:40 Grunt: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 18:54:03 -!- Idolo is now known as IDOlogic 18:56:19 -!- FatShack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:07:30 -!- FatShack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:06 -!- anubiann00b has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:21:57 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:24:57 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:28 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:30:47 well, that was interesting. LRD-d an ice beast and thereby gained an XL. the animation happened *after* the SID prompt 19:33:30 <|amethyst> probably the direct damaged killed it 19:33:34 <|amethyst> then the explosion happens 19:35:09 well, yes. it vanished, I got prompted, then the animation. weird suspended-animation type thing... 19:35:10 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:19 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:50 03Grudge02 {PleasingFungus} 07[imp] * 0.17-a0-27-g669213d: If an imp's teleportitis is stopped by stasis, that imp is confused. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/669213de795e 19:57:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:29 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:00:23 chequers: basically I was wondering what you had planned for bribe branch, since you've been messing with all other gozag stuff; I have some old notes on stuff that I liked about bribe branch and thoughts on changes 20:00:23 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:00:34 also, unrelated 20:00:46 if someone could reply to the comments on http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-16-may-2015 , I'd appreciate it 20:00:47 I don't have the energy 20:02:44 PleasingFungus: your wish is my command 20:02:47 hahaha 20:02:51 yesss 20:03:09 PleasingFungus: the zazu guy was in ##crawl making the same complaints, btw 20:03:19 ahh 20:03:25 is... do you think he's literally nine 20:03:38 pretty literate for a nine-year-old. 20:03:54 he was complaining about easy-mode, and then in the next breath complaining about the nerf to ignite poison 20:04:29 too much to ask that someone linked him to the berder ignite poison thread, I suppose? 20:04:50 if i were aware of it i might have done so 20:05:23 but anything in the crawl community that doesn't happen in ##crawl{,-dev} i am unaware of 20:05:42 I didn't even know that you can't stumble into deep water/lava while confused anymore 20:05:44 10/10 change 20:05:55 !tell wheals btw, we can't remove pizza, it was in rogue!!! (sort of) 20:05:56 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 20:06:26 Lightli: you also can't control+move to attack without moving while confused 20:06:32 oh 20:06:33 gotta stumble around or nothin' 20:06:39 I didn't know you could do that to begin with 20:06:41 heh 20:06:54 it tells you every time you try to move around deep water/lava while confused 20:06:56 or it did, anyway 20:07:18 amalloy: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16064 one of my favorite tavern threads, tho ofc I'm biased (feel free to skim aggressively, the good bit's the last few posts) 20:07:31 monsters apparently are still capable of drowning while confused, right? i remember seeing some monsters instead be "afraid of falling in the water" or something and not moving 20:07:45 high int monsters are smart enough to not do that 20:08:08 yes. the game informs you about monster intelligence as follows: 20:08:59 Lightli: what is "high int"? i drowned an orc warrior today 20:09:18 basically top end spellcasters 20:09:33 he was berserk, though. maybe that made him reckless(?) 20:09:33 for instance, a confused cerebov won't fall into the lava and drown 20:09:44 um 20:09:45 umm 20:10:19 cerebov, in fact, despite being a firestorm caster, is (the only?) I_NORMAL hellpanlord. 20:11:56 PleasingFungus: i can't tell how much of this thread is satire/trolling and how much is for real 20:11:57 some random monsters with I_HIGH: satyr, literally all draconians, deep elves & spriggans, hell knights, killer klowns, angels 20:11:59 and a bunch of others 20:12:15 this is why i shouldn't go out in the internet unsupervised 20:12:32 probably. 20:13:05 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:18 shadow wraiths have I_HIGH, but not other wraiths. ditto phantasmal warriors. 20:13:33 salamanders have I_HIGH, and war gargoyles, but not basic or molten gargoyles. 20:13:40 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:02 who would have guessed that Not Drowning 101 is one of the required courses at wizard college 20:14:04 all statues are I_HIGH. 20:14:09 i assume deep elves and spriggans have it because the player races have higher int than humans 20:14:45 minmay: yeah. actually I lied, spriggan berserkers are only I_NORMAL 20:15:02 but then, so do dg, ds, fe, op, and vp 20:15:15 basically, high intelligence makes literally no fucking sense 20:15:37 Lightli the anti-intellectual 20:15:44 well, all felids and almost all vampires have I_HIGH. 20:15:47 in fairness. 20:15:54 (Cerebov being only normal int and Antaeus being high int when the opposite should be the case if anything) 20:15:59 Lightli: wow, racist 20:17:03 at the very least maybe some int reform should be done? 20:24:44 PleasingFungus: tbh i wasn't really thinking of touching bribe branch 20:25:26 PleasingFungus: I know dpeg like bb as it is currently in particular, and gozag where it is currently in general, so I'm hoping to push through my existing price reduction pull request for gozag and that's it 20:26:18 actually, that PR was closed by marvin this morning, so I guess the price reductions aren't going through 20:27:02 ok 20:27:04 rip. 20:27:43 rip. 20:27:57 sequell is slacking 20:30:09 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:25 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 20:32:01 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 20:32:09 -!- halfnothing has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:54 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:30 -!- sk3 is now known as ktgrey 20:48:46 -!- ldf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:34 -!- copt has quit [] 20:52:35 -!- Zazu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:52:55 wow, ctele removal is really happening 20:52:55 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:53:22 johnny0 said (6h 53m 57s ago): op crusher "out of view" throw message for observers is missing a space after the victim's name 20:53:29 we might need to remove op crushers to fix this 20:53:44 !remove gammafunk 20:53:52 what is going to happen to characters who already have ctele stuff, when no-ctele is merged? 20:54:03 they will have a big pile of JUNK 20:54:14 rip 20:54:14 rip 20:54:16 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ow8lN4e27LwkYst0ESm0G1XbXvnLEmsqstlU_pGZHn4/edit?usp=sharing btw 20:54:24 if anyone wanted to know what intelligence is good for, in crawl 20:54:53 gammafunk: please buff up crushers 20:55:01 buff up? 20:55:06 what does this mean 20:55:08 underpowered 20:55:10 lol 20:55:11 ^ 20:55:14 beat me to it... 20:55:23 ah, chequers 20:55:29 my favorite game designer 20:55:45 about 80% of these are either ">= I_NORMAL" or " > I_PLANT" 20:55:50 the rest probably could be 20:56:15 re: the google doc, for some reason I was expecting a nice list of 5 intelligence classes with sane progression of effects through them 20:56:16 "prefer to attack player while berserked"? 20:56:25 then I remembered this was crawl 20:56:43 amalloy: berserked monsters will generally attack whatever's closest; however, berserked I_NORMAL or I_HIGH enemies will prefer to attack the player (if hostile) 20:56:57 PleasingFungus: berserked, or frenzied? 20:57:15 the comment said berserked. let me double-check 20:57:25 like i've never seen berserk monsters fight each other 20:57:31 hrm, does this affect ally ai when those are zerked 20:57:46 since zerked ally ai is different 20:57:48 amalloy: they don't fight each-other 20:58:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:13 !source mon-behv.cc:427 20:58:14 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc#l427 20:58:25 hm 20:58:27 that's not right 20:58:33 PleasingFungus: INSANE is frenzied 20:58:35 not berserked 20:58:48 um 20:58:51 it's line 374 20:58:53 also 20:58:57 || ((mon->berserk() 20:59:29 so both frenzied & berserking monsters 21:00:09 scmass vulnerable, does this refer to the para? 21:00:27 or even the damage 21:01:20 I like this sheet, but I'm not sure what the multiple x mean 21:01:26 in some cases I can guess 21:01:42 but xx for ranged combat tricks 21:01:47 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:01:53 gammafunk: both 21:01:57 ok 21:02:01 PleasingFungus: i guess i'm wondering, when do unintelligent monsters end up with berserk? the only case i can think of is spriggan berserkers using BiA, and i've never seen them attack anything but me 21:02:17 moths of wrath can zerk whatever 21:02:26 also 21:02:28 bears 21:02:31 yeah bears 21:03:24 !source _mon_tries_regain_los 21:03:24 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc#l84 21:03:28 gammafunk: ^ 21:03:38 wow, forgetting about the player slower 21:04:02 geeze 21:04:09 high-intelligence monsters are about 6% more likely to do funky LOS tricks. the thing where centaurs juke around corners as wide as possible, I think? 21:04:37 but those things generally already have MHITYOU, right? so this code won't affect them anyway 21:04:54 this is like, i walk out of LOS, and they forget where i am, and then they can choose to attack whatever? 21:05:00 well, it'd only matter if you had allies involved I think 21:05:02 generally 21:05:18 i see. so it's preferring to attack the player over your allies, not over other monsters 21:05:23 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 21:05:23 which is how frenzy behaves 21:05:33 -!- tgcid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:49 it's not about attacking allies vs enemies, it's about attacking the player vs attacking the player's allies 21:05:52 if that makes any sense 21:06:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:26 right 21:06:51 ok. 21:07:21 smarter about own miscast noise... 21:07:28 as in under anti-magic? 21:07:33 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:07:33 I assume, yes? 21:07:36 weird 21:07:41 gammafunk: if they make a noise when miscasting a spell, they'll realize they made it. 21:07:48 lol 21:07:56 that's.... 21:07:57 IF 21:08:00 they have high enough intelligence!!! 21:08:33 ditto stumbling into alarm traps 21:09:01 well that's my vote for most obtuse use of monster intelligence 21:09:10 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.1-25-gbcee3f8 21:09:37 wait until someone finds something even stranger :) 21:10:18 iirc, there's a ticket somewhere in mantis where kb gets VERY UPSET about the idea of less intelligent monsters being able to put out sticky flame with water 21:10:49 also, my vote is for the kirke de-hogging thing 21:10:51 hrm, since the wouldn't know "Stop, Drop, and Roll"? 21:10:58 obv :) 21:11:25 I kind of wish 1kb made dwarf fortress 21:11:33 I feel like it'd have been a more playable game 21:11:40 what would the point of *that* be? 21:11:43 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:56 You know, reality simulator sort of thing? 21:12:04 lame 21:12:26 have you ever even *tried* to grow an indoor farm in DF? 21:12:35 when kirke's pals de-porkolate after her death, if they aren't I_NORMAL or higher, they won't become friendly. 21:12:45 oh, regarding deporkolation 21:12:53 amalloy's tweak for sac love should be applied there 21:13:05 I should do that probably 21:13:23 hm 21:13:54 does this mean that if you enslave a monster, get kirke to porkolate it, and then kill her before the porkolation wears off, it'll become permanently friendly? 21:14:01 like, semi-friendly 21:14:06 1learn add protip 21:14:24 that would rule 21:14:37 <|amethyst> what if you enslave kirke? 21:14:57 oh, and get her to porkolate things, then kill her? 21:15:01 that'd work too, I expect 21:15:04 or hm 21:15:08 does enslaving her end porkolation? 21:15:11 fun wizmode challenge to say the least 21:15:54 becoming slightly more serious for half a second, my vague feeling is that at the very least, I_REPTILE and I_HIGH shouldn't exist 21:16:06 probably I_INSECT can also go 21:16:16 hm 21:17:02 maybe I'll make a patch for it. 21:18:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 21:18:03 I think the only meaningful difference would be tracking ranges for I_HIGH monsters being reduced 21:18:15 possibly we could raise them for I_NORMAL monsters to compensate? idk 21:18:15 !lg * recent br=depths ikiller=tengu_reaver 21:18:20 72. execc the Brawler (L16 TrMo of Qazlal), blasted by a tengu reaver (fireball) (kmap: hangedman_aviary) on Depths:1 on 2015-05-11 08:59:55, with 142280 points after 29319 turns and 2:16:31. 21:18:21 !lg * recent br=depths ikiller=octopode_crusher 21:18:22 91. Bramblefist the Severer (L19 HOBe of Trog), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Depths:1 on 2015-05-18 03:01:53, with 238209 points after 51067 turns and 5:37:18. 21:18:33 and reavers are about 3x as common as op crushers in depths 21:18:55 PS why do pacified monsters attack you if you're on the way to a staircase? is that on purpose or just a weird implementation detail? 21:19:33 well that's how neutral monsters behave in general 21:19:40 if you're in the path they've chosen to move to 21:19:58 it's how lucy's corruption is able to kill things, for instance 21:20:36 |amethyst: can you force https for cszo webtiles? 21:20:48 that doesn't really make sense for "pacified" though, does it? the fact that pacify is implemented as making them act like other neutral monsters seems like it is making them behave in a way contrary to being "pacified" 21:21:21 I don't think that's really the way you want to phrase the question 21:21:38 I think you'd want to ask, what is the point of the pacification ability 21:21:38 in terms of gameplay 21:22:01 if you're arguing that the name is misleading, maybe a rename would be worthwhile, but I'm not sure a better name can be found for what pacify is 21:22:05 okay. i think it is to get dangerous monsters to leave you alone 21:22:36 well that would be more like fear, no? 21:23:17 truce 21:23:23 i think fear is also an effect that causes dangerous monsters to leave you alone, but there's no reason they have to behave the same 21:23:26 I think the idea with pacify is more to partially remove monsters as a threat, while leaving "interesting interactions" with the monster 21:23:48 well why...I'm not sure what you're arguing here 21:24:13 you're saying that ely should have her ability function more as an escape ability? 21:24:27 i mean, you asked what i think pacify is for, and i said it is to get dangerous monsters to leave you alone. your response seemed to me to mean "isn't that just fear?" 21:24:29 because if monsters are just leaving you alone in more or less complete safety that's what pacify would be 21:24:54 yes, I'm saying that pacify isn't supposed to replicate the safety of fear 21:24:55 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25:45 paralysis is another ability where monsters leave you alone; note that we already have fear and paralysis and those effects are extremely strong 21:25:48 you could just make neutral monsters swap places like with jiyva? 21:26:15 well that's how neutral-friendly stuff like pikel's slaves act, i think 21:26:18 I think pacify is inherently about there being some lack of total safety 21:26:28 remember, how strong is ely the god 21:26:37 why, let's consult DrKe's trusty ranking 21:26:43 -5 EV penalty picked up by sequell when winning the game 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9733 by triorph 21:26:43 ??drke[2 21:26:43 drke[2/4]: 0.17 list(wip): http://i.imgur.com/sSvHkF1.png 21:26:54 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:55 The build passed. (imp - 669213d #2648 : Tom Conrad): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/63264393 21:26:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:27:03 Yeah but slimes aren't friendly neutral under jiyva, they're just neutral? 21:27:41 or maybe it's been a while since I've seen slimes under jiyva 21:27:48 they're "fellow slime" 21:27:50 yeah they're just neutral iirc 21:28:02 but tbh it's been a while for me as well 21:28:19 i don't understand the perspective where "pacify" should mean "doesn't dislike you, but might attack anyway", and "fear" means "will run away instead of attacking you". if i were guessing based on the names, it would be the opposite 21:28:43 yeah I think your complaint is fundamentally about the name, if I'm understanding you correctly 21:28:57 well 21:28:59 but the name isn't terribly important unless it's really misleading 21:29:25 i don't love the current behavior, but if the name were changed to something that made me expect the current behavior i would probably change my mind 21:29:52 like if i pacify a monster in melee range, at least 30% of the time it keeps attacking me anyway 21:29:52 I think those two changes are very different from each other though (changing the name versus making pacified monsters be no threat at all) 21:31:05 yes, this this basically the design of pacify; it's supposed to not offer complete safety as an escape ability and give you a chance to mess around with this semi-safe monster in los 21:31:17 btw when you consulted DrKe's handy list, i have no idea what result you came up with: i can't tell who the tiles altars are supposed to belong to 21:31:48 play tiles *fistshake* 21:32:03 in any case 21:32:12 for the early game tier list the order is 21:32:14 F T 21:32:15 when I consulted? 21:32:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:18 I didn't consult it 21:32:25 for I know the answer already 21:32:30 E K O J 21:32:40 wait, letters?! 21:32:41 N L Q R Y M 21:32:52 G V D S B Z 21:32:57 A 1 21:33:03 gammafunk: you specifically linked it in order for one of us to consult it. whether you actually looked at it yourself doesn't really matter to me; i was telling you that i couldn't consult it 21:33:04 C X aX 21:33:19 the pointis just that ely is really strong, and anyone who plays ely learns this really fast 21:33:33 I assume you've played ely before, in which case you don't need to consult that really 21:33:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:40 but it *is* from DrKe after all 21:33:40 but that tier list... is *oldEly*!!! 21:33:46 !!! 21:33:48 no it's up to date 21:33:53 oh, it is? 21:33:59 also 9733 is my fault but involves milestones somehow 21:34:04 so idk 21:34:11 !lg * god=ely 21:34:11 37993. amalloy the Basher (L13 OgHu of Elyvilon), slain by a black mamba (kmap: minmay_snake_entry_six_corridors) on Lair:4 on 2015-05-20 02:18:13, with 22524 points after 20565 turns and 1:36:31. 21:34:14 !lg amalloy god=ely 21:34:15 6. amalloy the Basher (L13 OgHu of Elyvilon), slain by a black mamba (kmap: minmay_snake_entry_six_corridors) on Lair:4 on 2015-05-20 02:18:13, with 22524 points after 20565 turns and 1:36:31. 21:34:18 !lg amalloy god=ely won 21:34:19 1. Mountebank the Sensei (L25 VSIE of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-21 22:38:38, with 1784860 points after 57113 turns and 8:07:21. 21:34:25 see, you've even won with ely! 21:34:49 some other way of making (makes monsters mostly not a threat with some drawbacks) 21:34:55 could certainly be implemented 21:35:59 i actually didn't really understand ely at all that game. i barely used heal other. ely's abilities *sound* like they are mostly about healing yourself, and there's this "heal other" thrown in which sounds like a quirky novelty 21:36:29 but it was mostly a zin game anyway; i switched back to ely on the orb run 21:36:37 yeah, pacification is really strong and you can use it situationally for cute monster manipulation tricks 21:36:48 but it's not supposed to be like zin improson or anything 21:36:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:37:07 since ely literally lets you heal yourself 21:37:17 *zin imprison 21:37:38 my ely win was also a weird gimpy win, but I was DD and could get away with it 21:38:54 PleasingFungus: so ctele is getting removed, now how long before orc reform and I can't safely dive orc? 21:39:42 I keep running into entropy weavers that complicate my life 21:40:01 I know the orc hurlers will wreck me when they come along 21:40:08 man I haven't been doing anything for weeks 21:40:12 idk 21:40:37 so, i can see the argument you are making, that ely is really strong even with a pacify that doesn't totally neuter monsters. i am coming from the perspective that i keep misusing pacify to get rid of monsters who are right in my face, and obviously it is upsetting to do that and then die, so i'm not a neutral source. the ability name encourages me to think of it as a way to make monsters become peaceful, which is not really what it does 21:40:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:41:16 well yeah, peaceful in crawl means what pikel's slaves are 21:41:19 and if making it actually do that is bad for balance, which i am not experienced enough to say for sure but you are probably right, i would love for it to somehow indicate that it will do that 21:41:29 gammafunk: i mean peaceful/pacify share a root. they are the same word 21:41:44 sure, I mean as a name, perhaps it could be improved, but on the other hand 21:41:54 heh. describe.cc calls monsters 'brainless' if they're <= I_PLANT; directn.cc calls them brainless if they're <= I_INSECT. 21:42:06 it's so central ability that you have to use it quite a few times and get the hang of it 21:42:06 thanks, crawl. 21:42:09 so if there's initial name confusion, it's overcome pretty quickly 21:42:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:15 PleasingFungus: brainless, or mindless? 21:42:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:43:11 gammafunk: i don't know that that's really true. i've played a number of ely games and keep forgetting in critical moments what it will do. i wouldn't be surprised to find that's true of a lot of players. you've known ely for years, and so to you it seems easy to get over quickly 21:44:00 !lg * ely name!=amalloy lair -log 21:44:01 770. asdu, XL9 NaWn, T:4299: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/asdu/morgue-asdu-20150519-191240.txt 21:44:22 oh, mindless monsters can't be dazed 21:44:27 they can be dazed and confused, but not dazed. 21:44:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:44:38 er, *bewildered and confused 21:44:51 !lg * ely name!=amalloy lair -log -2 21:44:51 769/770. dolemite99, XL10 DDFi, T:9197: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/dolemite99/morgue-dolemite99-20150517-152334.txt 21:44:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:45:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:47:47 amalloy: lots of players forget things in critical moments, especially when they're new to a mechanic/ability, but that's not an argument against any mechanic per se. I could allow that the name could be improved 21:48:32 it'd help if you could propose some different mechanic that wasn't a straight buff to the ability 21:48:42 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48:43 and where there was more simplicity/clarity 21:49:57 !lg PleasingFungus 21:49:58 396. PleasingFungus the Vexing (L4 FoEn), blasted by Sigmund (wand of magic darts) on D:4 on 2015-05-02 21:43:33, with 78 points after 938 turns and 0:09:02. 21:50:13 look at that! He forgot how to avoid monster wands! 21:50:19 we're not going to remove monster wands though 21:50:56 death by magic dart sigmund. He didn't even want to bother with puff of flame 21:51:13 !lg. 21:51:15 !lg . 21:51:16 3011. gammafunk the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog), splashed by an acid blob's acid (created by the royal jelly) on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2015-05-19 23:00:39, with 139606 points after 13497 turns and 2:14:42. 21:51:23 Now that's how you end a party right there 21:51:34 gammafunk: i feel like you are being snide and/or sarcastic in a way that is not really helping me see your point of view 21:52:00 well my response directly to you wasn't sarcastic :) 21:52:17 don't confuse my PF dunking for sarcasm 21:53:16 well that was the third sarcastic thing. the others were "how good is ely as a god? let's consult drke's handy guide, my goodness ely is a strong god" and "why look at that, you've even won with ely" 21:53:23 i think i am just going to depart this discussion of ely/pacify for the moment 21:54:25 alright, well don't take it too seriously, we joke around a lot like this. I'm certainly not the world ely expert, but I think the god is quite strong at present, and chances to its core mechanics need good balance consideration 21:54:31 wow, combs on cszo has a pretty insane glaive 21:54:37 *corrode and str+12 21:54:56 s/chances/changes/ 21:55:09 you know *corrode is bad, right? 21:55:15 yes 21:55:21 str+12 is the max I think 21:55:27 it also has *rage, but he's playing fofi 21:55:27 I've not gotten one in-game yet 21:58:08 .moon 21:58:09 71. [2015-05-18 22:59:40] Tezca the Conqueror (L24 MiFi of Ru) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 67552. (Depths:3) 21:58:47 greensnark: I did this query sometime this morning, and it returned 78. Any reason why it would have 7 fewer now? 21:58:53 !cmd .moon 21:58:54 Command: .moon => !lm * br.enter=wizlab milestone~~moon_base $* 21:59:07 no kw that could have been redefined 21:59:20 I figured that maybe there were redundant milestones somewhere 22:00:00 <|amethyst> 7x cue 22:00:03 <|amethyst> so that seems likely 22:00:08 oh 22:00:11 .moon name=cue 22:00:12 No milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab milestone~~moon_base name=cue). 22:00:29 !lg cue 22:00:30 No games for cue. 22:00:37 oh, cue being a server? 22:00:40 ??cue 22:00:40 cue[1/4]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://underhound.eu:8080/ or underhound.eu, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.16 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 22:00:42 <|amethyst> cue is clan 22:00:44 got it 22:00:46 -!- thely has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:01:00 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05:38 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:48 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:09:25 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:14:02 monsters which estimate damage taken from traps when deciding whether to enter them (arrow traps, etc): I_INSECT, I_REPTILE, I_NORMAL, I_HIGH 22:18:19 gammafunk: Yes, clan games were double counted for a bit 22:18:27 ok, thanks 22:19:04 PleasingFungus: hrm, and this would only be mechanical traps basically? 22:19:10 yes 22:19:12 however note that 22:19:13 I_ANIMAL 22:19:17 is not in that list 22:19:20 despite being squarely in the middle 22:19:37 do I need to show you a honey badger video? 22:19:42 they don't give a **** 22:19:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:53 I think the person writing the code intended for it to be <= I_ANIMAL 22:20:02 but wrote == I_ANIMAL instead 22:20:06 well mechanical traps place 22:20:13 hrm, tomb, zot, ossuaries 22:20:25 zot in hall_of_zot namely 22:20:34 yeah it'd be relevant to... dragons flying onto mechanical traps? 22:20:36 'relevant' 22:21:07 so probably just make all monsters do the consideration 22:21:33 are you going to remove many of these dependencies? 22:21:41 not sure what your overall goal is for looking at this 22:22:13 simplifying 22:22:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-1093-g0b3cd89: Just call confused monsters 'confused' 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b3cd89bf954 22:25:03 I_REPTILE is a thing? 22:25:18 um 22:25:20 in a sense 22:26:34 <|amethyst> doy: mostly for ely 22:26:46 <|amethyst> %git 421489d 22:26:47 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-1462-g421489d: Split I_INSECT and I_REPTILE. 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 7 files, 12+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/421489decb1c 22:26:51 <|amethyst> %git b83cbb6 22:26:52 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-1465-gb83cbb6: Don't let Ely pacify insects. 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 4 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b83cbb67c493 22:32:14 New branch created: simple_int (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/simple_int 22:32:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[simple_int] * 0.17-a0-1094-gcf75143: Simplify monster intelligence 10(10 minutes ago, 31 files, 549+ 635-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf75143f174d 22:33:08 I also have some XXXs in there for weird shit that probably shouldn't depend on intelligence regardless, e.g. Zin recite daze. 22:33:09 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:02 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:43 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:47:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:47:32 !tell marvinpa soliciting feedback on branch simple_int 22:47:32 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 22:48:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:10 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:56:14 -!- Behr has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:58:09 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:32 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 23:02:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:27 -!- Behr has quit [Client Quit] 23:05:16 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1093-g0b3cd89 (34) 23:07:22 -!- anubiann00b has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:12:16 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:13:19 <|amethyst> hah, figured out an easy way to free up a bunch of disk space on CSZO without having to transfer games out of old versions 23:13:44 does it involve hardlinking identical files across versions? 23:13:59 <|amethyst> no, the biggest space user is the crawl binary 23:14:03 <|amethyst> (other than ttyrecs) 23:14:10 yeah 23:14:15 <|amethyst> but old versions can be stripped! 23:14:23 <|amethyst> reducing file size by ~90% 23:14:26 wow 23:14:28 WOW 23:14:30 and upx that 23:14:35 <|amethyst> since it's not likely we'll need debugging 23:14:57 <|amethyst> since if someone finds a bug in an old version, well, they should update 23:14:59 how do you strip? strip ? 23:15:13 <|amethyst> strip crawl-git-blah 23:15:39 do you delete old binaries once there are no active games on them 23:15:39 ? 23:16:02 <|amethyst> yes, but you'd be surprised how often there is a single "active" game 23:16:05 I don't get 90% 23:16:13 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11M Apr 26 16:16 dcss* 23:16:13 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.2M May 20 04:15 dcss.new* 23:16:17 <|amethyst> oh 23:16:26 and that includes upx 23:16:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:16:40 <|amethyst> with upx the savings wouldn't be as much, yeah 23:16:52 no, upx after strip. original wasn't upxed 23:17:08 <|amethyst> 32-bit? 23:17:12 <|amethyst> hm 23:17:24 wait, strip was a no-op 23:17:32 <|amethyst> here it's ~90 MiB to around ~9 23:17:42 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 23:17:42 <|amethyst> strip after UPX probably doesn't work 23:17:56 wow.. my binaries are more like 11mb 23:18:13 I'm not building with debug/fulldebug, that might explain why? 23:18:15 <|amethyst> oh 23:18:18 <|amethyst> yeah 23:18:27 <|amethyst> strip is mainly for removing debugging symbols 23:18:30 oh, does cszo use DEBUG? 23:18:40 i thought if you built with debug you got debug message spam 23:18:56 that's debug the make target, which sets a bunch of DEBUG defines 23:19:03 DEBUG_ defines that is 23:19:07 <|amethyst> chequers: 'make debug' or 'make FULLDEBUG=y' does that 23:19:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:19:15 so make install WEBTILES=1 DEBUG=1 will make 90mb binaries that are more gdb-useful? 23:19:22 <|amethyst> chequers: I build with 'make DEBUG=y' which is like 'make debug-lite' 23:19:24 it'd be nice if more servers used debug builds 23:19:34 <|amethyst> doy: I think most do these days 23:19:35 i get you 23:19:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:44 !lm * cpo crash 23:19:46 86. [2015-05-09 12:32:15] MaybeFactor the Fighter (L9 GrBe of Trog) (D:7) 23:19:50 !lm * cpo crash -log 23:19:50 <|amethyst> doy: well, maybe not so many of the new ones 23:19:50 86. MaybeFactor, XL9 GrBe, T:6357 (milestone): https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/MaybeFactor/crash-MaybeFactor-20150509-123215.txt 23:19:55 yeah I used debug-lite with the DEBUG_STATISTICS define 23:20:01 but that's just to run objstat 23:20:03 and mapstat 23:20:14 so that gdb output would be more useful with DEBUG=1? 23:20:38 (<-- doesn't know anything about binary debugging) 23:20:42 <|amethyst> yes, at the expense of much bigger binaries 23:21:15 <|amethyst> all those ?? would have names, and there would be a list of local variables under each function 23:21:19 hrm, I should read what DEBUG=1 actually does, since I'm confusing debugging symbols and our defines now 23:21:36 <|amethyst> (though enough of the local variables are optimised out that the latter isn't all that useful) 23:22:29 gammafunk: debugging symbols is stuff like variable names and line numbers for gdb, so that it can associate memory addresses with human-useful information 23:22:42 or maybe i wanted to send that to crate. whoever 23:24:42 <|amethyst> DEBUG=y does seem to turn on a -DDEBUG macro, though, which does have some effects 23:25:13 yeah I know, what I meant was I was confusing what's enabled when DEBUG is defined, since debugging symbols are not included based on a C++ define 23:25:17 so how should I build webtiles ?_? 23:25:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk: -ggdb 23:25:25 right 23:25:37 and -g is the same as -ggdb? 23:26:23 wow it's hard to read the gcc man page 23:26:27 i think -g is a general "debug symbols" option,and -ggdb is specialized for gdb in some way 23:26:34 yes, that's what I'm seeing 23:26:46 <|amethyst> -g means "use the OS standard debug format" 23:26:59 <|amethyst> -ggdb means "use the one that provides the most info to gdb" 23:27:20 <|amethyst> plain -g can still use GDB extensions, but it won't choose a nonstandard format just because the OS sucks 23:28:14 our debian package uses -g, which I had assumed was debian standard practice 23:28:14 <|amethyst> chequers: what I gues: 23:28:14 <|amethyst> s/gues/use/ 23:28:21 <|amethyst> make -C source \ GAME=${GAME}-${REVISION} \ GAME_MAIN=${GAME} MCHMOD=0755 MCHMOD_SAVEDIR=755 \ INSTALL_UGRP=$CRAWL_UGRP \ WEBTILES=YesPlease USE_DGAMELAUNCH=YesPlease WIZARD=YesPlease \ STRIP=true DESTDIR=${DESTDIR} prefix= bin_prefix=/bin \ SAVEDIR=$CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/saves \ DATADIR=$CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/data \ 23:28:26 <|amethyst> WEBDIR=$CHROT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/dWata/web \ SHAREDDIR=$CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}/saves \ USE_PCRE=y \ EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L="-g" 23:28:29 <|amethyst> remove those \ 23:28:34 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28:50 <|amethyst> hmm 23:28:57 <|amethyst> where is DEBUG coming from?? 23:29:11 for debug-lite? 23:29:14 <|amethyst> aha 23:29:19 <|amethyst> it's not using DEBUG=y 23:29:25 <|amethyst> it's using EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L="-g" 23:29:37 <|amethyst> I don't recall why 23:30:14 YesPlease 23:30:22 <|amethyst> probably DEBUG=y would be fine, though it does mean your contribs get built with debugging too 23:30:26 STRIP=true ???? 23:30:29 also accepts NoThanks to mean the same thing 23:30:36 <|amethyst> chequers: that's kind of funny 23:30:56 <|amethyst> chequers: you see, the makefile uses $(STRIP) at install time to strip the binary 23:31:00 hrm, I'd assume he's not using contribs 23:31:07 i just saved a gig of space by upxing all my old crawl binaries 23:31:26 <|amethyst> chequers: so STRIP=true says to use 'true' instead (which does nothing, successfully) 23:31:35 <|amethyst> i.e. STRIP=true means "don't strip" 23:31:45 <|amethyst> and STRIP=false would mean "fail when you try to strip" 23:31:48 well done makefile designer 23:32:34 -!- Imosa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0/20141127111547]] 23:32:43 <|amethyst> well, if Bell Labs had named 'true' something like 'nop' instead it wouldn't be a problem :) 23:32:56 ln -s `which strip` /usr/bin/YesPlease 23:33:09 lol 23:33:10 so that the wizmode commands can call YesPlease 23:34:21 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:44 well, i'll build with debug now 23:35:59 someone commit something :D 23:37:03 can't you trigger a rebuild? 23:37:22 <|amethyst> usually won't rebuild if the same version is already installed 23:37:31 hrm, but he's not dgl 23:37:40 <|amethyst> oh, right 23:37:45 but still good point, I'd forgotten about that 23:39:17 i could force a rebuild, but it's messy in that if any console players are playing, I'm pretty sure you can't overwrite it 23:39:43 s/it/the crawl binary/ 23:39:51 anyway, making you commit is less work for me 23:40:01 especially if what you commit is my one remaining pull request (powered by death) 23:40:10 <|amethyst> probably you can delete it and then replace it 23:43:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:44:36 <|amethyst> okay, went from ~20 GiB free to 116 23:46:04 if you're interested, I'll clean up my script to hardlink identical images across versions together. it didn't save much but it makes me feel better 23:48:10 <|amethyst> eh, not worth the complexity on CSZO at least, given how little it's likely to save 23:48:35 <|amethyst> now, some way of deduping in the player's cache would be nice 23:48:47 <|amethyst> I think you and bh were talking about that 23:49:59 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:50:03 we weren't, but now that I think about it my dedupe may be generalisable 23:50:07 i've never looked inside that... 23:50:15 <|amethyst> oh, maybe it was just bh 23:50:53 <|amethyst> the problem being that the URL for static resources has to become independent of the version/hash 23:51:48 <|amethyst> so you'd at least need a manifest saying which files (in a common directory named by content hash, for example) go with which version 23:51:57 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:12 <|amethyst> or to paste that in at install time 23:52:20 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:14 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:54:12 <|amethyst> the single biggest file in the per-version static data on CSZO, though, is doc/crawl_changelog.txt, which is generated with git log so will never be the same from one version to the next :) 23:55:04 <|amethyst> it's something like 40% of the total 23:55:06 oh, on the url side 23:55:31 you have the whole file for each version? 23:55:51 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:56:08 <|amethyst> yes, presumably since that's easier than trying to paste it together when the user views the changelog 23:56:31 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:34 <|amethyst> (and doesn't require having git etc in the chroot) 23:58:47 well maybe you can just keep the top 1000 lines or something for each version, I was thinking 23:58:53 how many builds do you have, anyway? 23:59:37 <|amethyst> 1119 builds of trunk