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(master - 6eb4b40 #2585 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/62224809 08:08:14 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:11:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:07 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:13 -!- Plazmod has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:24:51 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:28:09 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:47 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:44:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46:49 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:29 -!- Inferior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:48 if you wanted the new teleportitis to be truly annoying, you might want to consider tension in it. while it can dump me into a bunch of yaks and orc warriors, it has also been known to yank me out of that to a solitary rat... 08:58:03 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:00 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 09:03:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:24 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:11:44 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:13:34 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:14:20 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:46 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:47 !tell bh dominos appears to still be causing crashes: https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/jobs/62224828 https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/jobs/62177214 09:14:47 reaverb1: OK, I'll let bh know. 09:19:02 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 09:20:45 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:21:35 <|amethyst> reaverb: one of those should have errored in apt.pl (installing the compiler) but there was a bug in that script that made it not fail 09:21:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1002-gb61c28c: Return a correct exit status from .travis/apt.pl. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b61c28c4219f 09:22:50 |amethyst: Oh, oops. That bug started showing up around dominos. So it's just another version of the old "Can't install dependancies" ghost crashes? Hmm. 09:22:59 <|amethyst> that first one is 09:23:08 <|amethyst> the other looks like what happens when the test timeout triggers (it's a SIGTERM) 09:23:19 <|amethyst> which did start around the same time as dominos 09:23:30 <|amethyst> I think because dominos makes the tests take significantly longer 09:23:41 <|amethyst> it has to generate a domino tiling for every level 09:24:23 That would explain why this crash hasn't been seen in a real game. 09:24:50 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:26:36 <|amethyst> and many of the tests generate lots of levels (for example, this one was on unique.lua, which before it crashed generated every level in D, Depths, and Dis seven times or so 09:26:46 <|amethyst> ) 09:28:15 Maybe disable dominos when performing tests? It's a cosmetic feature. 09:28:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:55 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:30:30 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:30:38 <|amethyst> but it's a feature that could well contain a crash or cause errors 09:32:08 <|amethyst> hm 09:32:14 <|amethyst> I was thinking pre-generate several 80x70 domino tilings at compile time and use those 09:32:43 <|amethyst> but then you'd have repeats of tilings 09:33:03 <|amethyst> which could theoretically leak map edge information 09:33:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:56 <|amethyst> It would probably be sufficient to only generate domino tilings for levels that use domino tiles 09:34:21 <|amethyst> but the timing is probably wrong for that 09:34:28 <|amethyst> and tiles can change at runtime, for that matter 09:34:59 Maybe have some individual tests for dominos, and then run the majority of the tests with dominos disabled? 09:39:01 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:31 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:55:53 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 10:03:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:34 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:11:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:46 #git 0.16.2 10:14:46 %git 0.16.2 10:14:48 Could not find commit 0.16.2 (git returned 128) 10:15:11 dumb git question. when a commit is cherry-picked, it gets a new SHA in the target branch, right? 10:15:21 <|amethyst> yes 10:15:29 (that appears to be what I'm seeing) 10:15:59 Any ideas re: removing giant spores from natural generation? I think it's a good idea, since they don't justify the annoyance of going around to all the ballistros and defeating them. 10:16:05 Ty. for a couple years now I thought that the commits had the same SHA. but I was confused because I never knew how fit kept it straight 10:16:09 git 10:16:14 <|amethyst> the sha is over the whole commit, including the entire history up to that point 10:16:46 I find the idea of a stationary monsters which "moves" by creating more of itself but giant spores don't really succeed at that. 10:17:14 <|amethyst> why do you say "from natural generation"? 10:17:29 because Fedhas? 10:17:31 <|amethyst> ah 10:20:07 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16143&start=50 10:20:44 Aside from the usual nonsense, this thread contains some interesting stuff. If anyone (red or not) feels like adding more insight, I'd appreciate! 10:25:50 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:27:09 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:31:43 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:52 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:36:29 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:16 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38:43 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:39:40 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:45 -!- advil has quit [Client Quit] 10:41:19 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41:54 -!- ksagri has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43:39 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:44:26 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:45:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48:43 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:42 -!- reaverb is now known as Guest31285 10:52:09 -!- Guest31285 is now known as reaverb 10:53:07 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:53:07 -!- ethoj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:59 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:07 int est_magic_resist = 10000; 10:56:10 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:12 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:12 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:56 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:01 -!- Chance672 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:05 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:05 -!- constantinexvi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:06 -!- Chance672_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08:10 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:11:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:28 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:27 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:55 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:25:05 "Since this shield is technically a bear, on each succesful blocking there is a 1/3 chance that it will claw the attacker back for d(YOUR_SHIELD_SKILL) damage." 11:26:13 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:26:14 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:28:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:30:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:34:31 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:36:32 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:33 The build is still failing. 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Reverts are fine. 13:41:53 spores themselves are definitely interesting: fast, area damage (so risky, but can be used as a tool, too) 13:42:10 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:42:11 so I think you have more a problem with ballistomycetes 13:43:52 spores I've found are "throw a stone for hit it with magic dart, it explodes far away from you" 13:43:58 s/for/or/ 13:45:00 I do find ballistos more problematic than spores though, yes. 13:46:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:46:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:43 I like about ballistos that they can wreck a level if left unattended (a bit like jellies). I don't like about them when you have to hunt the last one... that could be solved with interface, though. 13:48:59 I've never really seen them wreak a level in practise...even on a recent Chei worshipper were ballistos were everywhere because I couldn't control them, they mostly just made resting difficult to do interface wise. 13:49:10 (I have never seen jellies do this either) 13:53:35 I am no big fan of giant spores 13:54:06 but I'm not sure how others feel about that 13:56:02 <|amethyst> if we are going to make them Fedhas-only, could we at least simplify the code? 13:56:32 <|amethyst> I mean, there's no reason to have the three different states of ballistos, the spore production enchantment, the mold trails, etc 13:56:47 <|amethyst> if spores are just Fedhas bombs 13:58:46 Yeah simplifying the code would be good, I'll do that in a week or so.....I want to wait to make sure there isn't a push to revert or for sombody to have an excellent idea to improve enemy ballistors in reaction to this (like with Nemelex) 13:59:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:01:00 i feel like ballistos used to be interesting, but they've been nerfed into meaninglessness at this point 14:01:00 doy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:01:21 which i'm personally a bit sad about, but shrug 14:01:24 <|amethyst> the writing was on the wall when they stopped being worth XP 14:01:33 not enough to really put forth any serious argument 14:01:42 I always enjoyed situations where I could use (enemy) spore against other enemies. 14:01:48 doy: true, but it's a pity 14:01:50 <|amethyst> "here's this minigame for you to find tedious, but there's no reward" 14:01:57 I used to see ballistos+spores wreck a level, but not so much these days 14:02:04 yeah 14:03:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:03:09 i wonder if they'd make more sense as a single monster that occupies multiple tiles 14:03:13 like a kraken or whatever 14:03:40 just without the tentacles actually having visible connections 14:06:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:06:14 <|amethyst> how does one get a hyperactive ballisto now? 14:06:44 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:49 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:53 there's a reasonable argument that colonies could just be worth xp again 14:07:04 I remember the argument against their giving xp was kind of tenuous 14:07:06 also hello! 14:07:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:07:22 <|amethyst> does it work to 1. use Reproduction to get a spore; 2. let it either wander and make mold, or explode and make a ballisto; 3. evolve the mold if necessary then upgrade the resulting ballisto ? 14:07:40 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:08:57 does that work to do what? 14:09:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: to make a hyperactive ballistomycete 14:09:10 doy: imo say no to multi-tile monsters :( 14:09:16 <|amethyst> and is there a simpler way? 14:09:26 I forget what evolved mold makes 14:09:33 <|amethyst> regular ballistos 14:09:35 ok 14:10:05 then that would work, yeah; I think usually I ended up making them from the ballistos made by exploding/travelling spores, not from mold 14:10:07 !lg . fedhas 14:10:09 1. doy the Martial Artist (L9 DsMo of Fedhas), blasted by a deep elf conjurer (bolt of cold) in Bailey on 2009-11-24 02:00:05, with 4264 points after 17408 turns and 2:18:19. 14:10:11 I'm not sure I've ever evolved mold in an actual game 14:10:29 shoulda shroomed! 14:10:56 portal vaults are tough for fedhas 14:11:03 !lg . god=fedhas / won 14:11:03 1/3 games for gammafunk (god=fedhas): N=1/3 (33.33%) 14:11:17 man, I should rewrite shopping.cc 14:11:54 !tell lasty how does sticky flame interact with _maybe_eat_life()? 14:11:55 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 14:12:19 !tell lasty and the other triggered-on-damage effects, I guess 14:12:19 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 14:12:32 finally, the buff that sticky flame needs...! 14:16:32 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:59 -!- Basil__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:09 hi lasty! 14:18:14 I hear you ruined crawl again 14:18:52 a key condition for maintaining your devteam membership 14:19:02 exactly!!! 14:20:42 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:13 hey PleasingFungus 14:21:16 well, i certainly tried 14:22:11 -!- ByronJoh1son is now known as ByronJohnson 14:22:58 :) 14:23:03 I am concerned about LifeHungry, actually. Imposing a penalty that lasts beyond the fight probably encourages swapping in an irritating way 14:23:11 yeah - you saw the gdd? 14:23:21 I looked after I checked my messages 14:23:24 reading through it now 14:23:29 it's p short, which is nice 14:23:33 looks like nago's raising the same issue I was worried about 14:23:33 down with long gdds... 14:23:43 and ofc minmay hates everything about it. 14:23:50 what kind of short-term status effects do we still have 14:24:06 Weak! Sap! the combination Weak + Sap! 14:24:18 (it's a reference to a song, you see.) 14:24:23 I don't get it 14:24:44 oh well 14:25:01 I don't get why minmay thinks the non-LifeDrain artps would cause more swapping than any other property. Hyperbole? Or did I miss something? 14:25:15 you'd have to ask him 14:25:19 PleasingFungus: yes to xp 14:25:30 also gotta go 14:25:34 hf! :) 14:26:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:19 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:26:33 anyway idk. very cool to see new negative properties, even if they don't all work ou 14:26:35 t 14:26:51 good luck! 14:26:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 14:26:54 thanks! 14:28:07 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 14:28:53 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:31:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:31:27 Lasty: I suppose entropy does not, but 2 properties that give you semi-permanent losses for getting hit while wearing them? I'm going to be unwielding that weapon all the time, certainly much more than any other item I can think of 14:34:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:19 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1004-g798c2ec: Stop generating LifeHungry 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/798c2ec7a16b 14:37:24 drain on unequip sounds a lot better than drain on hit yeah 14:38:43 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:41 minmay: like when? And is confuse one of the "semipermanent" losses? 14:40:16 <|amethyst> I'm guessing confuse is "semipermanent" because it costs a potion of curing 14:40:26 -!- Molotove is now known as VGC[work] 14:41:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:22 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:09 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:10 The build is still failing. (master - 84388fd #2587 : reaverb): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/62280672 14:48:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:49:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:51 -!- quik has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 14:51:51 -!- Imquik is now known as quik 14:53:08 <|amethyst> that test failure is because dgn.create_monster(x,y,"random") failed to make a monster 14:53:17 <|amethyst> because MONS_NO_MONSTER is now in D's random monster list 14:54:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:59:21 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:17 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:31 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:04 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 15:11:30 -!- Chance671 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 15:13:10 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1005-gf169576: Don't fail uniquegen test when generating no monster. 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1695769fe3f 15:16:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:17:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1006-gd7ec75e: Simplify 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d7ec75e0f62d 15:17:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1007-gb2305a1: Remove the unused ARTP_TWISTER 10(58 minutes ago, 9 files, 19+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b2305a14e1ff 15:17:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:29 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 15:19:47 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:19:56 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23:09 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:18 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:29 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:16 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26:07 MarvinPA: thanks for that 15:26:33 +twstr is definitely not coming back 15:26:55 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:29 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:27:59 it was too 15:28:00 twisted 15:28:56 WHERE ARE YOUR GLASSES? 15:29:45 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30:52 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:39 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:33:52 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:44:47 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:46:09 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:45 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:52:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:34 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:33 so, why does MR say "resistant to hostile enchantments"? i know hexes and charms used to both be called enchantments, and then it made sense to resist hostile ones. does it make sense these days to say "resistant to hexes" or something? now that there's no such thing as enchantments 15:55:52 <|amethyst> but it's not just hexes 15:56:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:24 |amethyst: maybe it would be good to come up with a distinct name for "things resisted by MR" 15:57:24 what else is there? obviously monsters use lots of spells that aren't in any player spellbook, so they're not "hexes", but they're not "enchantments" either, so calling them hexes instead seems like it would make at least as much sense 15:57:38 amalloy: e.g. banishment 15:57:44 "hostile magic" 15:57:52 <|amethyst> e.g. Pain, Agony, Control Undead, Petrify, Teleport Other, Banishment, Disintegration 15:57:55 Grunt: the problem with that is it sounds like it resists conjurations too 15:58:01 -!- Imosa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:58:12 i thought "hostile enchantments" was the term for that 15:58:14 magic resistance: magically resistant to hostile resistable magic 15:58:18 it's just not consistently used, probably 15:58:19 <|amethyst> but you can't call it "enchantment" 15:58:28 <|amethyst> because enchantment isn't a spell school 15:58:34 why not? enchantments aren't anything else now 15:58:36 well... you could 15:59:15 maybe rename MR to ER; add "It is an enchantment, and can be resisted by ER" to the descriptions of relevant stuff 15:59:42 i know i was super confused about what MR did when i started playing 16:00:00 since among other things it's 100% different from nethack 16:00:18 <|amethyst> and D&D 16:03:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:36 ??book of enchantments 16:03:36 book of enchantments[1/1]: Cause Fear, Silence, Deflect Missiles, Haste, Discord. Also contained Tukima's Dance in 0.16 and earlier. 16:03:46 i certainly used to think MR reduced the damage from magic dart and lightning bolt and so on. like, it's magic, i should be resisting it. which is sorta a separate problem, i guess 16:04:11 we'd probably need to rename this book, but otherwise I quite like the idea of defining "enchantment" as "a spell resisted by MR" (or, as we'd rename it, ER) 16:04:47 so pain, banishment, hibernation, etc would all be 'enchantments' 16:05:10 <|amethyst> hm 16:05:32 <|amethyst> what about other things that aren't resisted but share some characteristics? 16:05:37 <|amethyst> e.g. Haste (other) 16:05:57 it's not resisted by ER, so it's not an enchantment. 16:06:01 what characteristics do they share? that they do something duration-y? 16:06:22 you can also give a variant of the canned line on weird cases 16:06:25 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:07:19 I kind of hate canned lines 16:07:37 -!- Isvaffell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:00 <|amethyst> they always hit, never beam or bounce, aren't drawn, and maybe a few other things 16:08:14 <|amethyst> bolt::is_enchantment 16:08:14 ok 16:08:32 <|amethyst> I guess my question is 16:08:38 <|amethyst> what do we rename 'enchantments' to 16:08:42 I don't think that's something that needs a player-exposed technical term for 16:08:53 we can rename functions to whatever, that's a much smaller problem 16:08:54 <|amethyst> because it would be really confusing to have a term that meant one thing to players and something else in the code 16:09:21 |amethyst: what do you mean "never beam"? 16:09:29 I assume he means never pierces 16:09:30 well, ER is "hostile" enchantment resistance 16:09:31 or bolts 16:09:32 <|amethyst> amalloy: don't pass through targets 16:09:52 never bolt 16:09:57 <|amethyst> heh 16:09:58 so haste other is a friendly enchantment i guess 16:10:00 oh pf beat me to it 16:10:28 ontoclasm: if enchantments aren't "things resisted by ER", what are they? what is a "friendly enchantment"? 16:11:24 idk, it just makes some sense to imply "you could resist haste with ER but you don't want to because it's good for you" 16:11:45 if you want to keep haste in the same bag as slow 16:11:45 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:12:09 I don't see any reason to do so. It seems to waste the entire point of these simplifications. 16:12:29 that's reasonable 16:14:08 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:09 The build has errored. (master - 798c2ec #2588 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/62289397 16:14:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:18:42 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:58 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:23:49 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24:24 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:50 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:09 hmm i think wizmode item tweaking is broken with the new artps 16:25:17 there are too many artps now 16:27:10 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 16:28:59 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29:09 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:49 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:22 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:58 -!- coyo7e has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:08 -!- causative is now known as Guest16579 16:34:26 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:35:03 -!- Guest16579 has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:04 MarvinPA: what could you possibly do to fix that!!! 16:37:02 well nothing really 16:37:03 -!- causative_ is now known as causative 16:37:06 other than break save compat 16:37:48 (or mess with the wizmode menu somehow obviously, but the thing you are thinking of doesn't work :P) 16:38:07 -!- causative_ is now known as Guest1343 16:38:18 -!- Guest1343 has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:37 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:46 imo its time to break save compatibility. death to lava orcs and djinn 16:40:21 -!- Basil__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43:24 -!- Berder_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:43:46 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:45:52 -!- kazimuth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:49:57 -!- kvaak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:43 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:51:21 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53:42 -!- MgDark_HOFi is now known as MgDark_HuWn 16:55:56 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:36 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:42 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:59:15 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:59:22 -!- zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:48 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:05:05 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Client Quit] 17:07:13 -!- Batarang is now known as bbiab22 17:09:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1007-gb2305a1 (34) 17:10:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:10:59 -!- nimtz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:01 -!- Chance672 has quit [Quit: Leaving my desktop..... laptop possibly?] 17:15:18 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 17:17:37 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:19:08 -!- n1k has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:32 wait, how would breaking save compat fix the tweak menu? 17:22:57 if you've sacrificed love, pikel's slaves act a bit funny when you kill pikel. they thank you for their freedom, but (of course) they still attack you. more puzzlingly, they actually attack each other for a little while, because some of them "notice" sooner that they hate you, while others are still neutral 17:23:51 i can fix the message easily enough, but i'm not 100% sure what the right fix for flipping attitude correctly is - just a check for hated-by-all in DACT_PIKEL_SLAVES? 17:25:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:19 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:01 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:43 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:34:57 -!- bbiab22 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:08 amalloy: sounds plausible 17:42:50 igloomaster (L18 TrBe) ASSERT(a) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 703 failed. (No actor in stationary net at (30,28)) (Zot (ZotDef)) 17:44:55 -!- Hanyuu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:21 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:22 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:24 The build was fixed. (master - f169576 #2589 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/62294892 17:47:24 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:48:13 -!- icezizim has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:50:40 sounds hilarious :) 17:54:37 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:54:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:57:19 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:58:54 -!- MgDark_HuWn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:45 -!- ksagri has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:01:59 is BEH_SEEK the normal attitude for enemies that have seen you, or some heightened-awareness thing like when you've been Marked? 18:05:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:38 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:42 it looks like it is enemies who have seen you 18:11:51 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:14:30 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:16:16 PleasingFungus: because ARTP_TWISTER and ARTP_HUNGRY would be removed and make room for the extra ones 18:16:41 oh nevermind, they're not actually on there after all 18:17:07 oh nevermind again, they are! 18:17:22 -!- Lightil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:44 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:22:45 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 18:30:40 New branch created: pull/30 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/30 18:30:40 03amalloy02 07[pull/30] * 0.17-a0-1008-g8999d68: Check for MUT_NO_LOVE before making Pikel's slaves neutral 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 20+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8999d6887453 18:31:06 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:46 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:32:28 let's see if I can merge this 18:32:32 before neil gets to it 18:34:03 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:36:25 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36:29 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:37:52 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:38:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1008-gbd2e49e: Skip removed ARTPs in the wizmode tweak menu 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd2e49e3f5bf 18:38:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1009-g5a5279a: Give new randart properties clearer names 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a5279a27ecc 18:38:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1010-g75b4122: Make *Drain cause draining on unequip rather than on taking damage 10(13 minutes ago, 5 files, 11+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/75b412225c78 18:38:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1011-gfa70bdd: Tweak some more randart inscriptions 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa70bdd0ad7c 18:40:05 !tell lasty i was bored so i did the draining-on-unequip thing, i didn't put much thought into the numbers so feel free to tweak if you had anything particular in mind (100 is maybe low? not sure) 18:40:05 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let lasty know. 18:41:07 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:41:54 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:27 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:22 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:48:45 -!- Basil__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:07 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:46 -!- seriallos has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:59:01 MarvinPA: i dunno about the * prefixes. all the other places where * is used, there's a corresponding possibility of +, where + means "on purpose" and * means "uncontrollably". it seems weird for *Confuse to exist, implying that +Confuse is around too 19:04:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:05:04 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:52 amalloy: there's no possibility of +Tele 19:08:06 minmay: there's +/*tele 19:08:16 which is +tele and *tele together 19:08:25 just like +/*rage is +rage and *rage 19:10:13 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:10:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:08 -!- ldf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:23 anyway this is what I would imagine he would say 19:11:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:11 +blink existing and not *blink is fine, why not *drain but not +drain 19:23:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:25:22 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:25 well, i think the new naming convention explains 19:25:34 because there's no evocable drain 19:28:14 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:17 oh i actually typed basically the exact thing minmay said he thought i would say, but it got lost in the internet 19:30:38 <+MarvinPA> and there were already plenty of +Foos with no respective *Foo, now the reverse just happens to be true as well 19:32:26 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:35:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:49 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:38 -!- Chance672 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 19:48:04 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:25 !tell marvinpa thanks for doing drain on unequip! 19:50:25 Lasty: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 19:51:08 -!- danbrgarsbuce has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:21 -!- Wendol has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:51 -!- MgDark_HuWn has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 20:03:14 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:50 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:29:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:13 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:33:04 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarch] 20:33:20 -!- vale has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:34:56 !lm * de-- rune min=turns 20:35:04 20469. [2015-05-13 01:34:20] gammafunk the Convoker (L11 DESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 4824. (Shoals:5) 20:35:07 yesss 20:35:19 !lm * de-- rune min=turns -2 20:35:22 20468/20469. [2009-08-28 18:47:23] rob the Conjurer (L12 DEWz of Sif Muna) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 7159. (Swamp:5) 20:35:28 -!- VGC[work] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:36:19 .phyte 20:36:24 while i'm here... 20:36:25 !lm * su rune min=turns 20:36:27 5184. [2008-07-24 18:16:36] ironwasp the Summoner (L9 SpSu of Vehumet) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 4778. (Snake:5) 20:36:35 4. Farquar the Fighter (L16 DsAs of Dithmenos), slain by a thorn hunter on Swamp:2 (nicolae_swamp_phyte_club) on 2015-04-22 19:55:28, with 121370 points after 43896 turns and 5:48:31. 20:36:36 oh, sp 20:40:16 !lm * na rune min=turns current 20:40:19 1031. [2015-05-06 18:48:04] magicpoints the Spear-Bearer (L14 NaNe of Okawaru) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 8538. (Shoals:4) 20:40:30 ou're twice as fast as a naga! 20:40:44 yeah not esp fast for first non-abyssall-slimy rune though 20:40:56 sp can get it ultra fast 20:40:56 but I'm trying to beat 20:40:59 !hs * de-- 20:41:01 386710. Sapher the Demonologist (L25 DEWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-23 13:43:10, with 57282634 points after 25058 turns and 22:29:01. 20:41:16 he had different route 20:41:26 !lm sapher dewz won rune 1 20:41:28 1/15. [2012-09-20 18:12:08] Sapher the Eclecticist (L16 DEWz of Sif Muna) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 8811. (Vaults:8) 20:41:34 !lg sapher de-- 20:41:34 yeah straight to vaults 20:41:34 103. Sapher the Demonologist (L25 DEWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-23 13:43:10, with 57282634 points after 25058 turns and 22:29:01. 20:41:47 I loved the straight to vaults rot, lotta fun 20:41:48 but alas 20:41:53 *route 20:41:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:42:06 this is my faster ever rune too, which is cool 20:42:32 -!- Phroggus has quit [Client Quit] 20:46:15 gammafunk: was it my pikel patch you were threatening to merge, or something else? 20:46:20 oh yeah 20:52:02 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:53:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:54:33 amalloy: hrm, that former slave message can be de-duplicated 20:55:04 it's awkward for the second pair though 20:55:26 actually not really I guess 20:55:34 gammafunk: i mostly have a C background, and i wasn't sure how to do something like sprintf without making the memory management awkward 20:55:43 maybe it's easy in C++, i dunno 20:56:11 <|amethyst> we have a function make_stringf that is like sprintf but goes into a C++ string 20:56:12 yeah I can make a commit to deduplicate it some 20:56:31 |amethyst: and the C++ strings are gc'd or refcounted or something? 20:56:33 |amethyst: was I thinking of just making a "slave thanks" or "slaves thank" string for the second pair 20:56:44 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:45 conditional on the number visible 20:56:50 but if you have a better idea 20:57:20 the idea being you insert this into the string with make_stringf, yeah 20:57:32 <|amethyst> I have ideas, but those are way too complicated so yeah 20:57:40 <|amethyst> in the second message it's even simpler 20:57:41 almost a good 1learn add there! 20:57:45 <|amethyst> oh 20:57:49 <|amethyst> "their" 20:58:02 yeah it will be longer than that, right 20:58:10 <|amethyst> that singular one should be "its" anyway 20:58:11 but it's just a substring 20:58:20 <|amethyst> "thanks you for freedom" is just funny-sounding 20:58:45 "the gift of freedom" 20:58:50 "I'm just thankful for the general concept of freedom!" 20:59:05 "i don't have any, myself, but i'm glad to know it's out there" 20:59:21 The slave says, "'MERICA!" 20:59:54 ok, I'll try to make this work 21:00:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:20 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:03:33 hrm, basic C++ question 21:03:40 const char* final_msg = nullptr; 21:04:03 yet we set final_msg to a fixed string later 21:04:16 it's not a char * const 21:04:21 <|amethyst> the 'const' there means it points to something you can't change 21:04:26 <|amethyst> what wheals said 21:04:37 <|amethyst> char * const would mean you can't assign to the pointer 21:04:45 ok 21:04:46 <|amethyst> and const char * const would mean you can't do either 21:04:54 this is really a C questions not a C++ one 21:05:03 it's been away since I've consted a lot 21:05:34 elliptic: ping 21:05:36 <|amethyst> also note that char *foo = "hello"; is bad 21:05:44 so do we want to switch to github at some point 21:05:47 <|amethyst> because you have a non-const pointer to read-only data 21:05:52 doy: definitely 21:06:09 my strategy, mark everything const and * and remove the markings as clang directs on compilation failure :3 21:06:14 yes, I've probably done the char *foo = "hello" think in crawl 21:06:21 should i just turn off the mirror script now? 21:07:02 well we shouldn't leave gitorious pushable 21:07:16 I'd say doing that should occur with any final action on the gitorious repo 21:07:24 MPA might push something to gitorious etc 21:07:54 can you disable the gitorious repo for pushing, make it read only? 21:08:08 sure 21:08:10 <|amethyst> AFAIK only by removing everyone from the project 21:08:14 i think gitorious is kindly planning to do so on may 15 21:08:30 well that's fine, I'm just trying to avoid people pushing commits to gitorious 21:08:32 hmmm 21:08:38 i could just reverse the mirror script 21:08:39 I guess we can just force-push them away 21:08:40 (: 21:08:55 a....reverse mirror?!?! 21:09:11 Doy's Phantom Reverse Mirror 21:09:17 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 21:09:34 <|amethyst> a reverse mirror? Intriguing. https://trekkerscrapbook.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mirrormirrorhd0618.jpg 21:11:15 doy: I guess there's not terribly much a need for reverse mirror, people pushing to the wrong repo just means we'll clobber their commits manually, I guess 21:11:26 and they'll have to repush to github 21:11:41 although I guess the mirror would just do the former automatically 21:11:45 clobber their commits manually? 21:11:51 force push 21:12:07 just to not having them in the gitorious repo 21:12:10 maybe we just don't care 21:12:11 <|amethyst> well 21:12:13 well, we wouldn't even see their commits 21:12:32 well they'd be visible on gitorious and for anyone still pulling 21:12:34 <|amethyst> that, and if we did notice them I think we'd want to copy them to github 21:12:45 those urls will remain pullable 21:12:51 yeah, that's true 21:12:59 if we can't actually disable the repo 21:13:05 i'm not all that interested in doing a lot of work for this given it'll be useless in three days 21:13:06 so 21:13:32 sure, I guess you can just disable the mirror and we'll yell at anyone as necessary 21:13:51 maybe chei can also watch for webhooks from gitorious 21:13:54 and yell in the channel 21:13:58 <|amethyst> hm 21:13:59 oh yeah right 21:14:04 we might not see them without chei 21:15:06 -!- Raycaster1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:15 there was doy's plan to basically empty the repo 21:15:39 which is easy to do and would definitely make anyone notice when they tried to push 21:18:11 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:30 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:23:26 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:23:26 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:23:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:24:36 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:29:24 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:45 -!- Basil__ is now known as Basil 21:36:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:32 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:13 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:49 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:53:04 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:03 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 21:59:17 -!- MgDark_HuWn has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819]] 22:01:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:05:32 |amethyst: hrm, I'm going to get into trouble with trying to do anything other than assigning a string literal to final_msg in the patch because of the call to delayed_action_fineff::schedule, aren't I? 22:07:21 that only works because what's given to ::schedule is a literal, so the scope of final_msg or anything else ending doesn't affected what happens to the data at that pointer argument? 22:08:40 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:47 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:30 -!- avigdore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:14:31 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:14:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah, yes, I hadn't noticed that 22:14:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk: IMO change the fineff to use a string 22:15:10 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:16:33 <|amethyst> amalloy_: re your question earlier, C++ strings aren't refcounted, but rather the memory is scoped with the string variable (allocated when it comes into scope, freed when it goes out of scope) 22:17:14 <|amethyst> amalloy_: unlike C strings, where the memory's lifetime is entirely independent of the scope of the const char * variable that points to it 22:17:47 <|amethyst> amalloy_: or you could think of it as a refcount where there is no aliasing, so the count is always 0 or 1 :P 22:19:13 yeah ok 22:20:02 I think I'd been using C strings all this time and had never quite grasped the fact that string literals are directly stored in the binary, so pointers to them can be read whenever 22:22:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:25:05 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:28 <|amethyst> amalloy_: I hadn't noticed that the fineff takes and stores const char*. That should be a string or it does have all the problems you were thinking of 22:27:41 <|amethyst> hm 22:28:10 <|amethyst> %git ec5babf5 22:28:12 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1152-gec5babf: Restrict mpr() to literals only. 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 26 files, 66+ 66-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec5babf52457 22:28:15 <|amethyst> it did originally use a string 22:28:20 oh 22:28:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:17 <|amethyst> that's a silly reason to change it 22:29:42 ok for me to make all the fineff use string then? 22:30:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:35 <|amethyst> yeah, just change that mpr to mprf("%s", final_msg.c_str()) if we want to keep mpr() pure 22:30:50 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:01 ok 22:31:13 <|amethyst> what I don't get is 22:31:21 <|amethyst> if mpr is supposed to be for literals only 22:31:28 <|amethyst> why does it still take a const string & 22:31:48 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:31:48 i changed that i think? 22:32:19 note that he made it const char* in that commit 22:32:27 %git :/c_str 22:32:41 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-837-gb9bf0e2: Don't save the c_str() of a temp string (valgrind) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9bf0e2636be 22:32:55 <|amethyst> %git 70d6242e 22:32:57 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-2044-g70d6242: Make mpr() take a string. 10(6 months ago, 33 files, 72+ 72-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/70d6242e1997 22:33:47 <|amethyst> perhaps we should undo all those mprf("%s", x)s 22:38:59 -!- MurderMachine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:39:11 i dunno]]]] 22:39:14 oops 22:39:36 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:27 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:33 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:41:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:47:36 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:48:54 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:51:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:28 -!- Utrick has quit [Quit: Utrick] 22:54:05 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:45 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:57:36 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:58:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:00 -!- Utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:00 03amalloy02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1012-g414ce7a: Check for MUT_NO_LOVE before making Pikel's slaves neutral 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 20+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/414ce7a94799 23:11:00 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1013-gb853645: Allow delayed final effect messages to be std::string and simplify 10(29 minutes ago, 3 files, 27+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b853645dd479 23:11:03 doy: you haven't switched off the mirror yet, right? 23:11:26 amalloy_: i haven't fixed kirke's slaves behavior 23:12:16 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that didn't close the pull request 23:12:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you have to have the string "closes #30" or "fixes #30" or something similar 23:12:54 <|amethyst> https://help.github.com/articles/closing-issues-via-commit-messages/ (pull requests count as issues) 23:13:15 ug, thanks 23:13:19 also my code is bad 23:13:26 you can close by hand 23:13:29 <|amethyst> want to close it or should I? 23:13:32 <|amethyst> I'm already on the page 23:13:33 please go ahead 23:14:35 hrm, actually I guess I can't simplify this further 23:14:57 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:22 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'd push substr down into the two cases 23:15:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: then you can add the other const 23:15:46 I think hogs_to_humans is messed up 23:15:51 <|amethyst> const char * const substr = visible_slaves > 1 ? "slaves" : "slave"; 23:16:02 since you now get the message even if none were visible? 23:16:14 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:44 <|amethyst> oh, right, you treat any == 0 the same as any == 1 23:16:49 yeah oops 23:17:26 <|amethyst> also, if you put the : on its own line 23:17:33 <|amethyst> line it up with the ? if possible 23:17:46 yeah emacs was not indenting that right 23:18:02 it made it flush with the function arguments 23:18:11 I'll use ? to align the : from now on 23:22:46 !tell dpeg did you want to comment on the first paragraph of marvinpa's feedback for this pull request? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/11 tl;dr how do you feel about potion petition pricing being reduced for effect extension/useless effects? 23:22:46 chequers: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 23:23:35 !tell dpeg also, what do you think about changing gozag gold reward from scaling on size to monster threat? https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commit/c26be236155043852df23fd4363065efc2fb96ea 23:23:36 chequers: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 23:24:01 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1014-g1ec2a3b: Correct Kirke's death message, simplify, and reformat 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ec2a3bb0465 23:24:45 time to go whole hog with the fixes? 23:25:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: maybe c-lineup-argcont does what you want? 23:25:12 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's been a while since I've used cc-mode 23:25:16 ok, thanks, I'll look into that 23:25:26 Grunt: quit hogging the limelight! 23:25:30 <|amethyst> not sure if it handles ?: specifically 23:27:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1011-gfa70bdd (34) 23:32:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:33:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:34:27 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 23:35:16 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:43:48 tell me why my idea is stupid: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16158 23:43:55 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:39 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:00 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:53:56 well basically int is fine for GrFi if you decide you want to cast any spells 23:54:14 "I've often wished that the game had a skill you could train to marginally increase MR+." 23:54:58 training fire magic should increase rF 23:55:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:56 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:56:40 chequers: "learn rmsl/swift for the *orb run*" doesn't make much sense, if those are useful then they're definitely useful way before 23:57:20 god damnit I should never include specific examples in what i say around here 23:57:30 well it's that, if you do, they should be good ones 23:57:32 replace with "learn some low level spells quite late in the game" 23:58:12 there are plenty of spells a grfi could use at reasonable points in the game 23:59:04 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:20 I don't think it's necessarilly wrong to find more uses for Int, provided a good use actually exists, but you don't need a premise that Int isn't useful for characters with a strong melee focus 23:59:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev