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02:47:22 <chequers> how can i use random_choose_weighted with a dynamic list of items?
02:47:46 <chequers> like I want to say items = [] ; if test() items.push(1, 'foo') ; items.push(10, 'bar')
02:48:00 <gammafunk> !function random_choose_weighte
02:48:01 <Sequell> Can't find random_choose_weighte.
02:48:04 <gammafunk> !function random_choose_weighted
02:48:04 <Sequell> 1/4. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random-weight.h#l20
02:49:01 <gammafunk> think you'd just need to have a container with pairs
02:50:38 <gammafunk> yeah
02:50:46 <gammafunk> !source itemprop.cc:1087
02:50:46 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l1087
02:51:09 <gammafunk> and typedef pair<brand_type, int> brand_weight_tuple;
02:51:14 <gammafunk> is brand_weight_tuple
02:51:36 <gammafunk> yours would be like pair<FOO, int> for each item
02:51:59 <gammafunk> so full declaration is like  vector<pair<FOO, int> for each item> weights;
02:52:20 <gammafunk> except with the closing >
02:52:37 <gammafunk> then weights is a vector and you can use the vector methods
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02:53:19 <chequers> hmm
02:53:32 <chequers> i guess i can also just set weight to 0 for entries i want to drop
02:54:00 <gammafunk> just don't add them
02:54:03 <gammafunk> if their weight is 0
02:54:23 <gammafunk> since you're dynamically adding them, you have flow control, right?
02:54:40 <gammafunk> if (blah.weight > 0) { weights.add(blah)};
02:54:51 <gammafunk> or something akin to that
02:55:04 <gammafunk> unless I don't understand what you mean
02:55:06 <chequers> http://dpaste.com/08BEYDE this is what i'm doing
02:56:37 <gammafunk> well I'm just saying you don't have to add them
02:56:46 <gammafunk> since that was essentially your initial question
02:57:45 <chequers> yeah, thanks, i think your approach is cleaner anyway
02:58:21 <gammafunk> well what you posted there also seems fine to me, fwiw, maybe |amethyst would have some good advice though
02:59:13 <chequers> two problems, imo: 1) i think it will get really messy as soon as any shop gets two conditions 2) requires updating if new shoptypes are added
02:59:16 <gammafunk> it would look a bit cleaner without so my ? operator, but it would also be more LoC
02:59:33 <chequers> maybe i should write a function shop_is_useful
02:59:57 <gammafunk> yeah, that's another way
03:00:09 <gammafunk> |amethyst has a lot more experience here, I'd maybe get his advice
03:00:17 <gammafunk> beware he may make a macro...
03:00:47 <chequers> haha
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03:04:22 <chequers> !source shoptype_to_str
03:04:23 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc#l2990
03:04:39 <chequers> !source shop_types
03:04:39 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc#l2957
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03:08:19 <chequers> uh oh, crawl crashes in tags.cc whenever i join gozag
03:08:24 <chequers> time to go drink beer
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04:26:09 <Wensley> chequers: this is the appropriate response to a crash
04:27:51 <zxc232> if only oka gifted beer instead of hats
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04:28:48 <Wensley> we need a god of hedonism in crawl
04:28:51 <Wensley> a dionysus
04:29:10 <dpeg> a baccus
04:29:21 <Wensley> yess
04:30:09 <Wensley> let's brainstorm mechanics
04:30:23 <Wensley> voluntary self-delusion to gain piety
04:31:16 <Wensley> visual effects can rage from mara's mislead to discorobin
04:31:54 <Wensley> drunken stumble: every time you move in a direction, you might move in a completely random direction depending on how inebriated you are (a.k.a. piety)
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04:32:47 <Wensley> passive effect: enemies who attack you have a chance to become neutral and just stand stock-still staring at their hands
04:34:08 * dpeg isn't a drinker :)
04:35:02 <Wensley> dpeg: we can also have a god of teetotaling so that you do not feel left out
04:35:24 <Wensley> dpeg: your god grants you piety for volunteering to be the designated driver
04:37:19 * Wensley prefers not to drink too :)
04:38:18 <Wensley> so once squarelos is in you'll need to find a new catastrophic change to make
04:39:40 <dpeg> there are some in store, don't worry
04:40:39 <Wensley> remove hunger!
04:40:42 <Wensley> remove the ID game!
04:46:16 <dpeg> "catastrophic"
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04:56:50 <mumra_> hey dpeg, how are things?
04:57:07 <dpeg> busy!
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04:57:12 <mumra_> in that email about irdc, did you see the comment about posters / t-shirts?
04:57:18 <mumra_> dpegL me too!
04:57:22 <dpeg> mumra_: yes, I saw
04:57:31 <dpeg> hope I can make it, not clear yet
04:58:14 <dpeg> mumra_: only playtesting Gozag these days a bit, and I hope I can hook up with green*snrk to push the oubliette a bit further
04:59:27 <mumra_> well, hope you can make it
05:00:15 <mumra_> regarding the merch question, any thoughts on this / has there been any discussion?
05:00:42 <mumra_> if the NVA are producing the posters/tshirts themselves it seems like a good idea
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05:04:46 <dpeg> mumra_: the topic came up some long time ago... there does not seem to be any problem with people printing Crawl (or DCSS etc.) on shirts/mugs and selling them
05:07:24 <Wensley> you need to establish a crawl foundation to assert copyright over the word "Crawl" in all domains
05:07:41 <Wensley> fund its aggressive litigation with proceeds from the steam sales
05:08:02 <Wensley> funnel all remaining revenue to MarvinPA to fund his full time ruin engine
05:08:31 <dpeg> MarvinPA can ruin Crawl in his spare time just fine
05:08:41 <Wensley> I'm so out of touch, I bet MarvinPA isn't ruining crawl at all these days. the torch has been passed
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05:09:05 <dpeg> I leave that to you guys, gotta teach.
05:10:01 <mumra_> Wensley: not enough sweat shops in that plan
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08:07:42 <chequers> no way, i'm busy too!
08:07:59 <chequers> oops, scrolled up
08:09:47 <chequers> dpeg: so remember how we were discussing potion petition vs call merchant? I went to look at recent wins -- I'm basically the only gozag player who uses potion petition. almost everyone else spends all their cash on shops
08:12:37 <kvaak> I used it on my mu! I think
08:12:42 <kvaak> !log . mu gozag
08:12:43 <Sequell> 1. perunasaurus, XL21 MuSu, T:65456: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.16/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20150316-160611.txt
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08:13:35 <kvaak> a whopping 4 times too, 3 of which were in or near zot
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08:16:17 <chequers> !log . gozag won
08:16:18 <Sequell> 2. chequers, XL27 MiFi, T:113766: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/chequers/morgue-chequers-20150426-120952.txt
08:16:35 <chequers> Invok: Potion Petition   |       |     1 |     2 |     1 |     1 |     4 |     4 |     6 |   222 ||   241
08:16:56 <chequers> to be fair about 210 of those uses were in tomb to deal with all the fscking rot
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08:18:04 <kvaak> well that's the thing
08:18:38 <kvaak> there's no long term benefit to using potion petition so if you don't have to use it you might as well not use it
08:19:59 <chequers> i'm writing a pretty big rework of gozag atm, so far i've dropped the aura & pp entirely
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08:20:51 <kvaak> odds of call merchant giving long term benefit are small but once you have enough shops you're bound to get at least something useful
08:24:34 <kvaak> and if i need to use pp in a pinch i can just keep enough gold for a couple of pps in hand all the time
08:28:21 <dpeg> chequers: I do use PP!
08:29:00 <dpeg> chequers: I would appreciate it if you could share your Gozag plans with me.
08:29:10 <dpeg> (by email, I have very little time right now)
08:29:42 <kvaak> well the fact there's no long term benefit combined with the fact pp punishes you every time you use it
08:29:45 <chequers> i wanted to test them before committing to anything, but I think the core of gozag is 'get shops, buy cool stuff'
08:30:04 <chequers> kvaak: you know scaling cost was removed from pp, right?
08:30:05 <kvaak> if oka had call merchant i'd still spam the heck out of hero
08:30:11 <dpeg> chequers: well, I disagree
08:30:33 <dpeg> kvaak: but corpses = money, this is just like killing = piety for Okawaru
08:30:54 <kvaak> that's not really relevant
08:30:59 <kvaak> anyway neither is my argument
08:31:03 <kvaak> since i didn't know scaling was removed
08:31:43 <chequers> also, what do you mean 'no long term benefit'? it has no long term benefit like almost every god ability, it's just tactical goodness
08:32:08 <chequers> dpeg: what do you consider the core of gozag?
08:32:41 <kvaak> chequers: exactly, other gods don't have that except maybe oka gifts but piety suffers from diminishing returns at high amounts, gold doesn't
08:33:35 <chequers> so you're saying that pp is bad because there's a much better ability to spend gold on, since it has long term rewards?
08:33:37 <dpeg> kvaak: so PP is even cheaper than Finesse!
08:33:45 <kvaak> no
08:33:49 <dpeg> (now that is doen not scale)
08:34:01 <kvaak> as i said my argument is largely irrelevant now that PP no longer gets more expensive
08:34:31 <chequers> oook
08:34:33 <chequers> -o
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08:39:47 <johnstein> I should really try gozag sometime. so I can follow the details of gozag discussions
08:40:10 <dpeg> johnstein: yes, and then tell us about it!
08:40:45 <johnstein> too many things on my todo list
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12:11:17 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-931-g11a8995 (34)
12:11:47 <dpeg> !lg dpeg won gozag
12:11:48 <Sequell> 5. dpeg the Invulnerable (L27 GrFi of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-04-23 12:23:44, with 2151166 points after 81500 turns and 4:34:39.
12:11:55 <dpeg> how can I list them?
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12:12:13 <MarvinPA> !lg dpeg won gozag s=char
12:12:14 <Sequell> 5 games for dpeg (won gozag): SpAs, OpVM, GrFi, TrMo, MiEE
12:12:47 <dpeg> thank you!
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12:34:57 <simmarine> !lg * gozag won s=nae
12:34:57 <Sequell> Unknown field: nae
12:34:58 <simmarine> !lg * gozag won s=name
12:34:59 <Sequell> 203 games for * (gozag won): 5x dpeg, 4x EnterQ, 4x Tolias, 3x quayzong, 3x dis, 3x anything, 3x Zooty, 3x damdam, 3x circular, 2x simm, 2x andinto, 2x HLA, 2x Medar, 2x PleasingFungus, 2x Yermak, 2x WeiSong, 2x mopl, 2x DrKe, 2x Lasty, 2x InternetKraken, 2x HilariousDeathArtist, 2x acwest, 2x Sar, 2x perunasaurus, 2x fdshfn, 2x johnnyzero, 2x elliptic, 2x Tossi, 2x joy1999, 2x shotax, 2x chequers...
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12:43:58 <dpeg> just got a strange bug: left a dungeon level with a timed portal vault, entered it on another staircase, got "You hear the brisk hiss of a very distant avalanche of sand."... but the portal was extremely close to where I was!
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12:54:47 <amalloy> anyone excited to merge https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/23 ? does it need changes from me?
12:55:08 <kvaak> yes, that happens
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12:59:07 <Lasty> dpeg: I think I've seen that one too.
12:59:49 <Lasty> !learn add lasty_to_do figure out why you sometimes get inaccurate portal messages after re-entering a floor
12:59:50 <Sequell> lasty to do[8/8]: figure out why you sometimes get inaccurate portal messages after re-entering a floor
13:00:08 <wheals> i think it's always the same when entering the floor
13:00:21 <wheals> those messages don't depend on distance
13:00:27 <Lasty> wheals: I think you have to have been off the floor for a sufficient length of time
13:00:45 <Lasty> or else you don't see the message at all
13:00:59 <wheals> i don't remember ever not getting the message
13:01:02 <wheals> even if you just <>
13:01:22 <Lasty> I could be mistaken
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13:02:33 <wheals> i could too naturally
13:03:51 <wheals> i suddenly wonder if the distances are working right in squarelos
13:04:33 <wheals> oh yeah it uses a custom distance2
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13:04:50 <wheals> that should probably change
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13:09:46 <MarvinPA> hmm, i wonder if monstrous menagerie could fit into the grand grimoire thematically
13:10:05 <MarvinPA> since it's pretty poison arrow-esque
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13:14:50 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: are you thinking of moving it out of other books, or something?
13:15:23 <MarvinPA> vaguely
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13:15:51 <gammafunk> ??poison_arrow
13:15:51 <Sequell> poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power).
13:15:59 <gammafunk> oh it is L6
13:15:59 <gammafunk> ??book_of_beasts
13:15:59 <Sequell> book of beasts[1/1]: Summon Butterflies, Call Canine Familiar, Summon Ice Beast, Monstrous Menagerie, Summon Mana Viper, Summon Hydra. Prior to 0.14 it has Ice Form and Sticks to Snakes instead of Menagerie and Mana Viper.
13:16:03 <gammafunk> ?book_of_summonings
13:16:07 <gammafunk> ??book_of_summonings
13:16:07 <Sequell> book of summonings[1/1]: Abjuration, Recall, Summon Forest, Shadow Creatures, Summon Demon, Monstrous Menagerie.
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13:17:11 <gammafunk> you could probably lose it from book of beasts
13:17:13 <MarvinPA> i started from the point of "remove abjuration, make aura of abjuration l5 and move it out of grand grimoire", but that leaves the grand grimoire desperately needing a spell and i do think menagerie is probably worthy of being a highlevel book spell
13:17:38 <gammafunk> that sounds ok to me, the abjure plan
13:18:03 <gammafunk> it'd probably be not great to have it in 3 summoning books though
13:18:20 <gammafunk> ??grand_grimoire
13:18:20 <Sequell> grand grimoire[1/1]: Aura of Abjuration, Summon Greater Demon, Malign Gateway, Summon Horrible Things - Requires 6 spellcasting and 10 summonings to memorize spells out of this book.
13:18:46 <gammafunk> again, lol at highlevel requirements
13:19:21 <MarvinPA> abjuration wouldn't be in 3 books, it's only in summonings
13:19:49 <gammafunk> so I assume book of summonings would get aura of abjuration?
13:19:53 <MarvinPA> right
13:20:29 <gammafunk> ??iron_shot
13:20:29 <Sequell> iron shot[1/2]: A level 6 conj-earth single target attack spell, formerly known as Bolt of Iron. Has poor accuracy and range, but does a decent amount of irresistible damage. It's found in the book of Earth and book of Power. 9d18 at full power.
13:21:23 <gammafunk> I guess you could just remove MM from book of beasts
13:21:47 <gammafunk> since i'm not sure what you could replace it with in :summonings
13:22:09 <MarvinPA> i think my proposed shuffling would be: make menagerie grimoire-only, move mana viper from hinderance to summonings to replace it (and just remove it from beasts)
13:22:30 <gammafunk> I take it parraw is only in annihilations?
13:22:35 <gammafunk> *parrow
13:22:38 <gammafunk> ??poison_arrow
13:22:38 <Sequell> poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power).
13:22:40 <MarvinPA> yeah, all high level book spells are only in that book
13:22:43 <gammafunk> right
13:23:24 <gammafunk> well that's not a terrible plan, I think the only problem is that :summonings doesn't have a spell above L5
13:23:46 <gammafunk> summonings aren't the same as conj, so maybe that just doesn't matter
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13:24:14 <MarvinPA> it'd leave it with a pretty good selection of nice l5 spells at least
13:24:19 <gammafunk> yeah
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13:25:48 <gammafunk> sif will gift me MM anyhow, I'll still be unkillable
13:26:23 <gammafunk> but rip the joy of finding :summonings and being set for V:5
13:26:44 <MarvinPA> you'll just have to rediscover shadow creatures! :P
13:27:13 <gammafunk> oh no, shadow C is absolutely required for V:5!
13:27:17 <gammafunk> best spell
13:28:11 <gammafunk> I just need MM for things that stay around my squishy elves for more than a few turns, and XXX is usually a bit hunger/int-drain intensive at that point
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13:33:40 <zxc232> MM is fun in lair
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13:41:02 <gammafunk> chequers: by the way, it's not true that no one is using potion petition, see recent games from elliptic and Sar
13:41:54 <MarvinPA> &dump
13:41:55 <Sequell> http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/morgue/MarvinPA/MarvinPA.txt
13:42:24 <gammafunk> and see games from MarvinPA
13:42:28 <MarvinPA> :)
13:42:43 <MarvinPA> it's strong and useful
13:42:48 <MarvinPA> and cheap now
13:43:43 <MarvinPA> distraction aura is also really strong late
13:44:19 <MarvinPA> possibly too strong, i was reliably killing unique pan lords without them really acting at all
13:44:31 <gammafunk> oh, wow
13:46:48 <Lasty> MarvinPA: moving MM from Beasts and Summonings into Grand Grimoire seems fine to me. It could use the nerf.
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14:41:11 <Lasty> MarvinPA: new deterioration is forcing me to play much better than I would otherwise
14:41:16 <Lasty> It might be the best bad mutation
14:41:24 <MarvinPA> heh, nice
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14:41:47 <Lasty> MarvinPA: put another way: I think it's a success
14:42:24 <MarvinPA> good to hear! deterioration mut in particular was the thing i was most unsure about
14:42:44 <MarvinPA> with xp stat drain that is
14:42:49 <Lasty> yeah
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15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-932-ge389825: Remove curse skulls from a Zig statue vault 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e38982524c3b
15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-933-gae8c450: Remove Abjuration spell, lower Aura of Abjuration to L5 10(2 hours ago, 10 files, 5+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae8c4507ad08
15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-934-gee9363c: Move Monstrous Menagerie into the Grand Grimoire 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ee9363c05eb9
15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-935-g2366863: Remove baby alligators 10(3 hours ago, 20 files, 15+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23668633fad2
15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-936-g9dc79d6: Remove boring beetles 10(3 hours ago, 21 files, 14+ 154-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9dc79d6725fd
15:20:05 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-937-g9cb62d8: Remove plain mummy death curses 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9cb62d81a589
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15:40:28 <Cheibriados> mirrored TRJ spit out slimes 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9705 by Le_Nerd
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15:41:58 <amalloy> MarvinPA: if you are in a committing mood today, may i suggest you look at https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/23 ? an excellent vintage
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15:49:41 <MarvinPA> #9705 looks like it's working as intended, in that friendly mirrored trj doesn't create any spawns, but if you turn your mirrored trj hostile then it can create spawns
15:50:20 <MarvinPA> maybe it's more consistent to make summoned trjs unable to make spawns, regardless of alignment?
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15:51:28 <amalloy> that sounds right to me
15:52:01 <minmay> !learn add crawl <MarvinPA> #9705 looks like it's working as intended, in that friendly mirrored trj doesn't create any spawns, but if you turn your mirrored trj hostile then it can create spawns
15:52:02 <Sequell> crawl[11/11]: <MarvinPA> #9705 looks like it's working as intended, in that friendly mirrored trj doesn't create any spawns, but if you turn your mirrored trj hostile then it can create spawns
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15:55:45 <Cheibriados> New branch created: pull/24 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/24
15:55:45 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 07[pull/24] * 0.17-a0-931-g8baa08f: Subject/verb agreement 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8baa08ff9b29
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16:10:04 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-938-g6250545: Reduce alligator bands to size 2 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/625054582e78
16:10:04 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.17-a0-939-g58b1528: Allow > or < to move through a passage of golubria. 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58b152823e8b
16:10:04 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-940-g85fd701: Don't let hostile summoned TRJs create jelly spawns 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85fd701fbc8b
16:10:22 <amalloy> thanks, MarvinPA!
16:10:28 <|amethyst> good timing
16:10:32 <MarvinPA> np, thanks for the patch :)
16:10:33 <|amethyst> I was just about to do that :)
16:10:37 <MarvinPA> heh
16:11:23 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  btw, if you put "closes #23" in the commit message, it will automatically close the pull request
16:11:41 <MarvinPA> aha, neat
16:12:54 <Cheibriados> 03amalloy02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.17-a0-941-g450667a: Subject/verb agreement 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/450667adffd6
16:12:58 <|amethyst> ^^ thus
16:15:33 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  "Remove plain mummy death curses"  you left out the important part from the commit message
16:15:51 <|amethyst> oh
16:15:53 <|amethyst> nevert mind
16:15:59 <|amethyst> I missed the "return" you added
16:16:05 <|amethyst> s/vert/ver/
16:16:23 <MarvinPA> it would have been pretty mean without that, yeah :P
16:16:29 <|amethyst> hm
16:16:34 <|amethyst> what if they had a lower severity?
16:17:12 <wheals> the bennu description still looks pretty clunky
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16:17:23 <MarvinPA> i think even severity 1 necromancy miscasts can do quite a lot of direct damage for such an early character, though
16:17:32 <MarvinPA> up to 20 iirc
16:17:33 <|amethyst> hm
16:18:16 <amalloy> wheals: yeah, it does, but i didn't want to get into editing that
16:18:34 <wheals> if you don't, nobody will.......
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16:18:45 <MarvinPA> they could get severity 0 ones to keep the flavour and the link to later mummies perhaps, but that would probably just be confusing, and many players won't actually come across the later mummies anyway
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16:31:21 <amalloy> hm. where is the code for building zig floors? i don't see it in dat/des, and searches for "zigg" in .cc files don't turn up anything that looks too promising
16:32:08 <wheals> dat/dlua
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16:40:42 <gammafunk> god I love javascript, a dynamic language of the 21st century where the only safe way to loop over an array is with a index variable since for(foo in blah) will get you all sorts of attributes you don't want
16:40:59 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  at least it's not PHP :/
16:41:03 <gammafunk> true!
16:41:17 <gammafunk> I've not really written php at all, but I'd probably hate it
16:41:23 <gammafunk> based on what I've seen
16:44:06 <|amethyst> ~$ php5 <<< '<?php print(md5("240610708") == md5("QNKCDZO")); print("\n") ?>'
16:44:09 <|amethyst> 1
16:44:29 <|amethyst> that's not actually an md5 collision
16:44:40 <|amethyst> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9484757  for more details
16:46:54 <gammafunk> hah
16:46:55 <gammafunk> php > if ((true == "foo") && ("foo" == 0) && (0 == false)) echo "yay!"; yay!
16:48:46 <|amethyst> granted, all that is possible to screw up in C++ too, but at least you have to do explicit operator overloading to get coercions that are quite that exciting
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17:08:33 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-790-g44cf67f: Squarelos. 10(10 days ago, 77 files, 545+ 628-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44cf67ff3011
17:08:33 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-791-g233d389: Fix los_maps test. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 39+ 55-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/233d38981484
17:08:33 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-944-g52a14e0: Merge branch 'squarelos-0.17' 10(21 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52a14e0d0be5
17:09:06 <ontoclasm> squarelos
17:09:28 <wheals> elliptic: i noticed earlier that portal timer messages still use euclidean distance
17:09:46 <elliptic> they do? I thought I changed that, let me go look
17:09:56 <elliptic> I'm not surprised if I did miss some things though
17:10:32 <wheals> oh somehow i was looking at master still
17:11:01 <wheals> probably it should be math.min and not math.max though??
17:11:11 <elliptic> no
17:11:13 <wheals> o never mind
17:11:15 <wheals> yeah
17:14:44 <elliptic> (I have made that mistake in qw code before)
17:15:11 <wheals> fr: a metric where that's how distance is calculated
17:15:19 <gammafunk> ...sq...squares..???
17:15:39 <elliptic> wheals: doesn't satisfy the triangle inequality unfortunately
17:16:22 <gammafunk> is triangle required for the definition of a metric? would have to go look it up in my analysis text
17:16:43 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-945-g601bd79: Add a missing TAG_MAJOR_VERSION comment 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/601bd7992155
17:16:46 <bh> elliptic: that's just, like, your opinion, man.
17:16:51 <|amethyst> yes, non-negative, positive for distinct points, symmetic, and triangle inequality
17:16:56 <|amethyst> s/yes,/yes:/
17:17:08 <gammafunk> yeah, so it says here in Rudin
17:17:20 <bh> gammafunk: yes, what neil said
17:17:21 <|amethyst> s/meti/metri/
17:17:40 <gammafunk> you people are computer science wonks, you don't know analysis!
17:17:55 <wheals> i guess this would also have the "positive for distinct points" problem
17:19:10 <|amethyst> yeah, but if that's the only property you give up it's still a pseudometric space
17:19:14 <|amethyst> hm
17:20:07 <|amethyst> but I guess if you only gave up the triangle inequality you'd have a semimetric
17:20:17 <|amethyst> so min is just terrible
17:20:43 <gammafunk> can we get a rebuild on cszo?
17:20:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I'm not much for analysis, but metric spaces are topology :)
17:20:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  you can do a rebuild on cszo
17:21:02 <|amethyst> why make me tie up a browser window? :P
17:21:06 <bh> oh. squarelos landed :)
17:21:23 <bh> elliptic: given your implementation, how hard do you think it would be to bring back circlelos?
17:21:34 <elliptic> git revert ...
17:21:40 <|amethyst> I eat my corn on the cob in boustrophedon
17:21:45 <gammafunk> |amethyst: that's not precisely true, you can do topology just fine without ever having a metric!
17:21:51 <bh> elliptic: as a xom effect :)
17:21:58 <gammafunk> but I guess we're both right
17:22:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  right, it's not *all* of topology
17:22:15 <gammafunk> |amethyst: I guess my point is that you can't study analysis at all without a metric
17:22:21 <gammafunk> whereas you can for topology
17:22:28 <gammafunk> but I might be wrong even there I guess
17:22:28 <|amethyst> yeah
17:22:55 <elliptic> bh: um, not really feasible if you want to bring back euclidean metric everywhere... if you just care about field of view and don't change anything else then it might be feasible but that doesn't sound very good
17:23:29 <minmay> xom effect that makes diagonal moves cost 1.4 but leaves los square
17:23:43 <gammafunk> it would be simpler to implement, certainly
17:23:54 <|amethyst> xom effect that makes diagonal moves cost 2
17:24:06 <|amethyst> sokobanlos
17:24:25 <|amethyst> (also would make los a diamond of course)
17:24:58 <bh> wait, do diagonals cost 1.4?
17:25:03 <|amethyst> no
17:25:20 <|amethyst> minmay was suggesting the opposite weird admixture from circlelos
17:25:41 <elliptic> there used to be a compile-time option making diagonals cost 1.4 but I removed that because it really doesn't make sense with squarelos :P
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17:26:04 <|amethyst> elliptic:  add a new one for 0.7 diagonals
17:26:11 <|amethyst> elliptic:  so people can simulate circlelos
17:26:35 <|amethyst> that would play really weird
17:26:41 <|amethyst> might have to mock that up :)
17:27:19 <gammafunk> it should only go in if it incurrs chei pennance when you use a diagonal
17:27:31 <gammafunk> *incurs
17:27:46 <|amethyst> XXXSTRAIGHTEDGECHEIXXX
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17:29:25 <gammafunk> Tile 'etheric_cage' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt'.
17:29:33 <gammafunk> I guess this means we don't have a doll tile
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17:29:54 <amalloy> if i wanted to change all references to "excentricity" in ziggurat.lua to "eccentricity". and "exc" to "ecc", would that break save compat? it looks kinda like it would but i don't understand the persist code
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17:30:23 <gammafunk> rather doubt this would break save compat, but let's see
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17:30:38 <gammafunk> amalloy: by persist, do you mean the lua persistant table?
17:31:04 <amalloy> gammafunk: i don't really know what i mean. i just see calls to dgn.persist and don't know exactly how that works
17:31:33 <|amethyst> amalloy:  you would need to make the two "zig().zig_exc" expressions look under both the old and new names
17:31:40 <amalloy> and i guess it obviously wouldn't break save compat but would require more fixing up
17:31:41 <|amethyst> i.e. lua save compat code
17:31:46 <amalloy> yeah
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17:32:22 <amalloy> it seems simpler to leave it as is, then. it looks dumb but isn't confusing, where fixing it would look vonfusing and still maybe kinda dumb
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17:34:14 <Lasty> the Storm card is so irritating
17:34:19 <gammafunk> lookup_help.cc: In function 'std::string _keylist_invalid_reason(const std::vector >&, const string&, const string&, bool)':
17:34:22 <gammafunk> lookup_help.cc:1233:63: warning: ISO C++ does not support the 'z' gnu_printf length modifier [-Wformat]
17:34:25 <gammafunk> from the cszo rebuild
17:35:05 <|amethyst> yes, known
17:35:09 <gammafunk> oh ok
17:35:33 <gammafunk> !lg lasty ophu
17:35:34 <Sequell> 26. Lasty the Shooter (L5 OpHu), slain by a sky beast on D:2 on 2015-05-05 01:18:33, with 119 points after 2928 turns and 0:08:04.
17:35:40 <gammafunk> !lm lasty ophu
17:35:40 <Sequell> 304. [2015-05-05 22:29:37] Lasty the Peltast (L17 OpHu of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 4 of the Swamp on turn 53430. (Swamp:4)
17:35:44 <gammafunk> !lm lasty ophu alive
17:35:45 <Sequell> 30. [2015-05-05 22:29:37] Lasty the Peltast (L17 OpHu of Nemelex Xobeh) reached level 4 of the Swamp on turn 53430. (Swamp:4)
17:35:54 <|amethyst> we use %z or %I depending on which libc is likely to be in use
17:36:01 <|amethyst> and with mingw we ask for the gnu libc
17:36:14 <|amethyst> this warning started showing up when -pedantic was enabled
17:37:46 <|amethyst> we could probably use %lu and be safe on most systems
17:38:23 <|amethyst> or even do some compile-time checks for sizeof(size_t) == sizeof(long) and use either %lu or %llu
17:38:27 <|amethyst> I think %llu is C++11
17:38:37 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-945-g601bd79 (34)
17:39:33 <Lasty> gammafunk: Storm card didn't kill me yet, but it tried ~5 times
17:39:40 <gammafunk> ??storm_card
17:39:40 <Sequell> storm card[1/1]: Rain (shallow water), swiftness, and a short-lived tornado at high power.
17:39:45 <gammafunk> hah
17:39:58 <gammafunk> because it makes you fly?
17:39:58 <Lasty> "at high power" apparently means "any power"
17:40:12 <gammafunk> I assume the tornado is centered on the player
17:40:20 <Lasty> gammafunk: no, it's +Twstr
17:40:22 <Lasty> seriously
17:40:23 <gammafunk> god
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17:42:23 <|amethyst> that's completely wrong
17:42:57 <Lasty> ah, true
17:43:49 <johnny0> |amethyst: i thought C++11 had the C99 "z" length modifier (and snprintf and all that stuff)
17:43:49 <Lasty> !learn edit storm_card Gives you short-term Flight, a number of friendly air elementals based on spellpower, and a neutral twister nearby to kill you or mess up your positioning.
17:43:50 <Sequell> Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
17:43:59 <Lasty> !learn set storm_card Gives you short-term Flight, a number of friendly air elementals based on spellpower, and a neutral twister nearby to kill you or mess up your positioning.
17:44:00 <Sequell> storm card[1/1]: Gives you short-term Flight, a number of friendly air elementals based on spellpower, and a neutral twister nearby to kill you or mess up your positioning.
17:44:14 <Lasty> that might not be 100% correct
17:44:18 <Lasty> but it's a damn sight closer
17:44:30 <Lasty> now to look at the code :p
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17:45:12 <|amethyst> !learn set storm_cloud[1] On a coinflip either summons a twister and several air elementals; or summons a few air elementals, pushes monsters away like a fan of gales, and places storm clouds that do electricity damage.
17:45:12 <Sequell> storm cloud[1/1]: On a coinflip either summons a twister and several air elementals; or summons a few air elementals, pushes monsters away like a fan of gales, and places storm clouds that do electricity damage.
17:45:44 <Lasty> Ah, interesting. I did see the latter effect a few times, but mostly saw the former.
17:45:50 <Lasty> The latter is actually helpful
17:45:57 <|amethyst> trust in the cards!
17:46:13 <Lasty> Maybe weight towards the latter outcome based on spellpower?
17:46:14 <gammafunk> on coinflip seems weird to me
17:46:25 <Lasty> er, card power
17:46:31 <|amethyst> both effects do use power level
17:46:32 <gammafunk> yeah, I'm not sure the designer quite throught through what the effect of the twister would be
17:46:42 <gammafunk> well the twister is the issue
17:46:44 <|amethyst> could give the player wind resistance
17:46:54 <|amethyst> would need a DUR_ for that
17:47:01 <Lasty> that would help, tho it would still fuck up positioning
17:47:11 <|amethyst> do air elementals get blown around?
17:47:18 <gammafunk> presumably it wouldn't change your position
17:47:37 <gammafunk> I think insubstantial things...I actually have no idea
17:49:24 <|amethyst> hm
17:49:29 <|amethyst> looks like they do get moved
17:49:35 <|amethyst> it just prevents the damage and the flight
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17:52:06 <gammafunk> Lasty: transfer your game to squarelos and all your twistr problems will be solved
17:52:13 <gammafunk> !lm lasty x=vlong
17:52:14 <Sequell> 9350. [2015-05-05 22:41:18] [vlong=0.17-a0-931-g11a8995] Lasty the Peltast (L18 OpHu of Nemelex Xobeh) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 55433. (Swamp:4)
17:52:17 <gammafunk> %git
17:52:17 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-945-g601bd79: Add a missing TAG_MAJOR_VERSION comment 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/601bd7992155
17:52:27 <|amethyst> (since players and monsters get res_wind if they control a tornado, that means if you and a monster have duelling tornadoes you'll circle round each other but not take damage)
17:52:30 <gammafunk> !kw squarelos
17:52:31 <Sequell> Keyword: squarelos => explbr=squarelos-0.17
17:52:36 <gammafunk> !kw squarelostest
17:52:37 <Sequell> Keyword: squarelostest => explbr=squarelos-0.17
17:52:45 <gammafunk> %git :/Squarelos
17:52:45 <Cheibriados> 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-790-g44cf67f: Squarelos. 10(10 days ago, 77 files, 545+ 628-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44cf67ff3011
17:52:57 <gammafunk> !kw squarelos vlong>=0.17-a0-790-g44cf67f
17:52:58 <Sequell> Defined keyword: squarelos => vlong>=0.17-a0-790-g44cf67f
17:53:10 <elliptic> %git :/Merge
17:53:10 <Cheibriados> 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-944-g52a14e0: Merge branch 'squarelos-0.17' 10(66 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52a14e0d0be5
17:53:19 <|amethyst> amalloy:  I do think it's reasonable to change 'excentric' to 'eccentric' but leave the field as zig_exc
17:53:22 <elliptic> gammafunk: shouldn't you compare with the merge commit instead?
17:53:24 <gammafunk> hrm
17:53:26 <gammafunk> guess so!
17:53:35 <gammafunk> !kw squarelos vlong>=0.17-a0-944-g52a14e0
17:53:37 <Sequell> Defined keyword: squarelos => vlong>=0.17-a0-944-g52a14e0
17:53:53 <elliptic> !lm * squarelos s=src
17:54:01 <Sequell> 4 milestones for * (squarelos): 4x cszo
17:54:16 <gammafunk> I'm kind of surprised there are some already
17:54:20 <gammafunk> but I guess I shouldn't be
17:54:36 <gammafunk> !lg .
17:54:37 <Sequell> 2920. gammafunk the Severer (L19 MiBe of Makhleb), blasted by a fire giant (bolt of fire) on Vaults:4 on 2015-05-05 20:32:22, with 267837 points after 19874 turns and 2:42:27.
17:54:42 <gammafunk> that weakling
17:54:55 <Lasty> I do worry that this coinflip-between-two-very-different-effects thing makes Nemelex too Xommy. "invoke this card and . . . well, something will happen"
17:54:57 <gammafunk> now I can win a *real* MiBe with squarelos
17:55:06 <|amethyst> hm
17:55:16 <gammafunk> Lasty: yeah, that's kind of the problem I have with it too I guess
17:55:29 <|amethyst> that travis failure looks like the abyss bot not knowing how to answer "Keep equipping yourself?"
17:55:46 <gammafunk> I saw that log but assumed those dialogues were part of the test...
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17:55:56 <|amethyst> during the startup sequence where it wears equipment
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17:57:03 <amalloy> why is royal jelly still in the "super loot" section of zig loot generation? it's not nearly as great as it used to be
17:57:39 <|amethyst> to increase the supply of food, since that's something you might reasonably dive in for
17:58:14 <MarvinPA> it's food everyone can eat, that's the main thing i guess
17:58:38 <|amethyst> but the weight is low (1% of super loot--I suspect you get more food from just from "good loot" randomly selecting food, at least in the absence of dietary restrictions)
17:59:03 <|amethyst> could have some chance of 'acquire food' instead :P
17:59:11 <gammafunk> heh
17:59:14 <gammafunk> would that work?
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17:59:38 <amalloy> if i ever find 3 royal jellies in a zig i'm now gonna be like "dangit i was this close to getting a real gooditem"
17:59:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  yes, including giving Vp potions of blood
17:59:45 <gammafunk> |amethyst: and gh chunks?
18:00:25 <|amethyst> yes, that might be a problem
18:00:31 <gammafunk> amalloy: the main gameplay implication of zigs for a 3-rune are when a player peaks into the first few levels to look for something they really feel they need
18:00:42 <gammafunk> and permafood is possibly one of those, so I think it's fine
18:00:46 <|amethyst> not sure if you could combine that with delayed_decay
18:00:49 <MarvinPA> i don't think non-troves should use acquire loot (although tons of places do, unfortunately)
18:01:09 <gammafunk> hrm, yeah we could make a rule I guess
18:01:17 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  I think Zig is one of the more reasonable places to do that after Troves though
18:01:19 <MarvinPA> it is sort of a rule, it's just broken a lot
18:01:31 <Basil> a gentle suggestion
18:01:54 <|amethyst> what about if you add 'acquire food' there and remove two or three other uses of 'acquire *' elsewhere? :)
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18:02:00 <MarvinPA> true, breaking it in zig would be an okay place to do so if need be, but it's probably not necessary there with the plentiful real scrolls of acquirement anyway
18:02:17 <amalloy> do 3-rune players really peek into a zig for food? it seems bizarre to me; how do you run out of food in a 3-rune game?
18:02:35 <syndicus_> hello guys, i was having trouble starting webtiles a few days ago, is it possible i have an issue with tornado? is there a way to check to see if its the right version?
18:02:35 <|amethyst> I think the food isn't so much for three-runers
18:02:41 <MarvinPA> i assumed the idea was more to make it so you can just keep zigging without running out of food
18:03:22 <gammafunk> amalloy: high-hunger spells, rod usage, channeling, zin
18:03:23 <MarvinPA> although generally pan generates more food than you need anyway
18:03:45 <amalloy> gammafunk: if you're using stuff like that regularly, going into a zig is probably going to cost you more food than it gains, i would think
18:04:02 <gammafunk> no it wouldn't?
18:04:16 <gammafunk> given that there are monsters in zigs that also leave corpses
18:04:28 <gammafunk> I'm not sure what you're trying to argue, though
18:04:46 <gammafunk> you kill some monsters, get some loot, in that loot is some permafood
18:05:05 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  python -c 'import tornado; print(tornado.version)'
18:05:26 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  outside the chroot
18:05:30 <amalloy> gammafunk: i'd rather the permafood take up a * item slot rather than a | slot
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18:05:58 <syndicus_> 2.4
18:06:05 <|amethyst> yes, that's too old
18:06:06 <amalloy> calling it "super loot" on the same level of desirability as !exp !benemut /hw seems bizarre to me
18:06:09 <gammafunk> * items are randomized, | items are randomized, a | item can be less good than a * item, and the food already has quite low weight
18:06:12 <gammafunk> just look at the number
18:06:29 <gammafunk> it's not a "slot"
18:06:49 <|amethyst> syndicus_: hm
18:06:55 <amalloy> okay. anyway, it sounds like you guys think it is at a fine place right now; i originally asked because i thought it might be a holdover from when royal jellies cured stats or rot or whatever
18:07:06 <|amethyst> syndicus_: maybe I'm wrong, the docs say you just need 2.0
18:07:17 <gammafunk> it might have replaced porridge
18:07:18 <syndicus_> |amethyst: did you write the guide on develz? i used the repo of git://github.com/flodiebold/tornado.git
18:07:26 <gammafunk> but !porridge was removed
18:08:07 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  hm
18:08:26 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  actually, that should work as long as you're doing trunk and not the webtiles-changes branch
18:08:45 <gammafunk> current webtiles-changes depends on tornado4 and doesn't use that patch
18:08:48 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  if you have tornado 3 you don't need any patches I think, but the patched 2.4 should be fine
18:08:52 <bh> did LOS get bigger?
18:08:57 <gammafunk> yeah a bit
18:09:00 <gammafunk> ??squarelos
18:09:00 <Sequell> squarelos[1/8]: Reality of crawl where LOS is square rather than circular. An actual thing as of .17!
18:09:10 <gammafunk> ??circlelos
18:09:11 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled circlelos in my learndb.
18:09:13 <gammafunk> heh
18:09:14 <syndicus_> |amethyst: when does the webtiles.sh in /crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/utils get moved to /etc/init.d ?
18:09:45 <|amethyst> 225 as opposed to, what was it, 213ish?
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18:10:39 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  the 'sudo dgl publish --confirm' step
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18:11:23 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  that substitutes %%VARIABLES%% and installs several files into their correct place
18:12:37 <|amethyst> webtiles and dgl configs, in-chroot installation and launcher scripts, menus, CGIs, and a few other things
18:13:00 <|amethyst> dgl publish   (without the --confirm)   will list them and tell you what has changed
18:13:28 <|amethyst> btw, as you find errors or anything unclear, feel free to edit that wiki page
18:14:36 <|amethyst> I started the document a couple of years ago, but TZer0 and johnstein have been the biggest contributors since
18:14:48 <syndicus_> its not quite a controlled experiment, i've yet to succeed lol
18:14:51 <|amethyst> because they have set up a new server more recently than I have :)
18:14:56 <syndicus_> i found TZer0 working on a docker setup
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18:18:02 <|amethyst> johnstein: re deleting old binaries
18:18:12 <nicolae-> delete 'em all i say
18:18:15 <|amethyst> johnstein: clean-trunks only deletes versions without saves, right
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18:18:52 <|amethyst> johnstein:  The reasonable thing to do would be move the saves to newer versions
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18:20:59 <|amethyst> johnstein:  I don't think your server was around for the last compat break, but if it was you have to be careful not to move them across major versions
18:21:06 <|amethyst> johnstein:  and you can't move them backwards of course
18:22:37 <|amethyst> johnstein:  you can use sqlite /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-versions.db3  <<<'select * from versions;'   to figure out the order
18:22:45 <gammafunk> uh oh
18:22:56 <gammafunk> Lua error: ...-master/crawl-git-601bd79921/data/dat/dlua/macro.lua:27: [string
18:22:56 <gammafunk> _"/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc"]:198: Point (-8,-8) is out of bounds
18:23:13 <gammafunk> must be something with my lua that's not comptable with squarelos
18:23:16 <gammafunk> &rc
18:23:17 <Sequell> http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc
18:23:39 <gammafunk> ah, yep
18:24:07 <gammafunk> hrm, is there no way to loop over los in lua without hard-coding the geometry?
18:24:16 <|amethyst> johnstein:  then once you move the saves away, the normal clean-trunks script should reap the binaries
18:24:24 <gammafunk> for x = -8,8 do
18:24:24 <gammafunk> for y = -8,8 do
18:24:25 <gammafunk> m = monster.get_monster_at(x, y)
18:25:02 <|amethyst> iter.los_iterator probably
18:25:36 <gammafunk> ok, will look into that
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18:26:20 <gammafunk> oh, I'd better do that soon, otherwise I can't eat
18:26:39 <|amethyst> oh
18:27:00 <chequers> <+gammafunk> chequers: by the way, it's not true that no one is using potion petition, see recent games from elliptic and Sar <-- NOBODY
18:27:07 <gammafunk> dunked
18:27:37 <chequers> also
18:27:42 <chequers> you know what i'm going to say
18:27:47 <chequers> commit my patchessssssss
18:28:04 <chequers> commits for the commit god
18:28:07 <gammafunk> I think the pbd is the outstanding one?
18:28:23 <chequers> yeah, i'm waiting on marvin for gozag
18:28:29 <nicolae-> gozag, huh
18:28:37 <nicolae-> you know, at some point i should actually try gozag
18:28:37 <chequers> (buff pp)
18:29:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  dat/dlua/iter.lua btw (they're also available from clua, see:)
18:29:22 <|amethyst> !source CLua::init_lua
18:29:23 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/clua.cc#l740
18:29:51 <gammafunk> |amethyst: cool, thanks
18:30:19 <gammafunk> !source dat/dlua/iter.lua
18:30:20 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/iter.lua
18:30:35 <|amethyst> !source iter.los_iterator
18:30:36 <Sequell> Can't find iter.los_iterator.
18:30:44 <|amethyst> aww, no ctags lua
18:31:16 <gammafunk> oh uh
18:31:22 <gammafunk> local top_corner = dgn.point(y_x - 8, y_y - 8)
18:31:22 <gammafunk> local bottom_corner = dgn.point(y_x + 8, y_y + 8)
18:31:33 <gammafunk> in iter.los_iterator
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18:32:12 <|amethyst> well, fortunately the see_cell check should filter those out anyway
18:32:33 <gammafunk> yeah
18:35:33 <gammafunk> ah, and someone already made iter.mons_los_iterator
18:36:47 <chequers> is there some way to tell if an #include.h is unused in a source file after deleting code?
18:36:56 <|amethyst> johnstein:  hit me up this weekend: cszo is getting down to around 20 gigs free, so will need the same thing soon
18:37:45 <|amethyst> there are a few tools that do that, but I've never tested them on crawl code
18:37:53 <|amethyst> include-what-you-use is one, based on clang
18:38:03 <|amethyst> cppclean is another
18:38:13 <chequers> so, it's fine to not worry about include sprawl in my patches?
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18:38:14 <|amethyst> not sure if either is really up-to-date
18:38:49 <|amethyst> well, it's nice to clean up when possible, but it's not mandatory
18:39:29 <|amethyst> simplest (but can lead to false negatives!) would be to remove the #include and see what happens
18:40:16 <|amethyst> I say false negatives because it might be still used but included transitively anyway, in which case it's better style to include it explicitly
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18:43:22 <chequers> this would never be a problem if you wrote crawl in python
18:44:06 <gammafunk> the crawlcode that would arise if we wrote in python would be...legendary
18:44:22 <gammafunk> too much rope to hang yourself with
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18:45:21 <|amethyst> it also wouldn't be a problem if the C++ committee had made 'import' work
18:46:16 <|amethyst> or, rather, if the compiler implementers had
18:46:24 <|amethyst> I think clang is working on it
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19:01:56 <gammafunk> ??los
19:01:56 <Sequell> los[1/1]: Line of Sight, five to eight steps, depending on direction. Reduced by the {nightstalker} demonspawn mutation, the spell {Darkness}, a {lantern of shadows}, and the {robe of night}.
19:02:29 <gammafunk> it's 4 at minimum currently?
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19:04:54 <gammafunk> !learn edit los[1] s/eight steps, depending on direction/seven steps (eight and dependent on direction in the {circlelos} of 0.16-)/
19:04:54 <Sequell> los[1/1]: Line of Sight, five to seven steps (eight and dependent on direction in the {circlelos} of 0.16-). Reduced by the {nightstalker} demonspawn mutation, the spell {Darkness}, a {lantern of shadows}, and the {robe of night}.
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19:07:22 <elliptic> !learn edit los[1] s/five/seven/
19:07:22 <Sequell> los[1/1]: Line of Sight, seven to seven steps (eight and dependent on direction in the {circlelos} of 0.16-). Reduced by the {nightstalker} demonspawn mutation, the spell {Darkness}, a {lantern of shadows}, and the {robe of night}.
19:07:45 <elliptic> !learn edit los[1] s/eight and/five to eight/
19:07:45 <Sequell> los[1/1]: Line of Sight, seven to seven steps (five to eight dependent on direction in the {circlelos} of 0.16-). Reduced by the {nightstalker} demonspawn mutation, the spell {Darkness}, a {lantern of shadows}, and the {robe of night}.
19:08:21 <gammafunk> elliptic: seven to seven?
19:08:26 <elliptic> yes
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19:09:10 <gammafunk> I guess that's concise, but maybe a bit confusing
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19:09:30 <elliptic> !learn edit los[1] s/seven to //
19:09:31 <Sequell> los[1/1]: Line of Sight, seven steps (five to eight dependent on direction in the {circlelos} of 0.16-). Reduced by the {nightstalker} demonspawn mutation, the spell {Darkness}, a {lantern of shadows}, and the {robe of night}.
19:10:11 <gammafunk> I just need to write a circelos entry
19:10:37 <geekosaur> kirke-los? :p
19:10:39 <gammafunk> The condition is x^2 + y^2 <= R^2 + 1, right?
19:10:43 <elliptic> yes
19:11:05 <nicolae-> circlelos: it was bad and no one missed it.
19:11:05 <gammafunk> man I really should compose these in a text editor
19:11:12 <elliptic> though a few effects used <= R^2 for no apparent reason
19:11:29 <elliptic> and also some effects used <= 8 because that makes a square
19:12:32 <syndicus_> guys i got webtiles runnin (!)
19:13:40 <syndicus_> its not perfect yet the user creation doesn't complete but at least it loads in the browser
19:14:16 <|amethyst> yay
19:14:22 <|amethyst> what was the fix?
19:14:48 <syndicus_> i think it was the config.py, the bind_address/bind_port lines and the bind_pairs line were all uncommented
19:14:55 <syndicus_> i commented the pairs line and it went
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19:15:04 <|amethyst> hm
19:15:05 <gammafunk> I was wondering what that bind_pairs was for
19:15:13 <|amethyst> pairs overrides bind_port
19:15:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  it's there in case you don't want to bind the same port on all addresses
19:15:29 <gammafunk> I see
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19:15:48 <syndicus_> i think it has to be an xor, i haven't tried only pairs and not address/port
19:15:50 <gammafunk> yeah kind of our fault for not looking at that
19:16:02 <|amethyst> hm
19:16:11 <|amethyst> cszo sets both, to the same value
19:16:20 <|amethyst> or equivalent values I mean
19:16:43 <|amethyst> but at one point it also bound port 8080 on dobrazupa.org too
19:16:47 <|amethyst> s/also //
19:16:52 <|amethyst> which is why I added bind_pairs
19:17:46 <gammafunk> !learn add circlelos The type of {los} used before 0.17, so-named because it approximates a circle. With the player at position c, it's the set of points p with (p.x - c.x)^2 + (p.y - c.y)^2 <= R^2 + 1 where R is 8.
19:17:47 <Sequell> circlelos[1/1]: The type of {los} used before 0.17, so-named because it approximates a circle. With the player at position c, it's the set of points p with (p.x - c.x)^2 + (p.y - c.y)^2 <= R^2 + 1 where R is 8.
19:17:53 <gammafunk> ??radius
19:17:53 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled radius in my learndb.
19:17:57 <syndicus_> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/config.py and http://crawl.develz.org/source/infrastructure/webtiles-config.py.txt tipped me off
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19:18:27 <|amethyst> !learn edit circlelos[1] s/8/8 by default/
19:18:27 <Sequell> circlelos[1/1]: The type of {los} used before 0.17, so-named because it approximates a circle. With the player at position c, it's the set of points p with (p.x - c.x)^2 + (p.y - c.y)^2 <= R^2 + 1 where R is 8 by default.
19:19:13 <gammafunk> ??r2
19:19:13 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled r2 in my learndb. Did you mean: 2, 42, 72, rc, re, rf, rl, rn, rr, ru, rw.
19:19:19 <|amethyst> !learn edit circlelos[1] s/by default/under normal circumstances
19:19:20 <Sequell> circlelos[1/1]: The type of {los} used before 0.17, so-named because it approximates a circle. With the player at position c, it's the set of points p with (p.x - c.x)^2 + (p.y - c.y)^2 <= R^2 + 1 where R is 8 under normal circumstances.
19:19:26 <|amethyst> ??distance
19:19:26 <Sequell> distance ~ distant ~ portal distance[1/1]: Portal distance by adjective: very distant, >30; distant, >15; nearby, >7.
19:19:31 <gammafunk> heh
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19:21:32 <gammafunk> You hear the frantic ticking of a 1458-distant clock.
19:22:25 <nicolae-> You hear the frantic ticking of a clock, 126 aud away.
19:25:57 <amalloy> just make that a new mutation, Keen Hearing
19:26:26 <chequers> it could be nice to have "the ticking grows louder" sometimes as you walk towards/away portals
19:26:36 <ontoclasm> a new mutation, apathy: You hear some kind of clock somewhere.
19:26:39 <chequers> and reduce the length of time they're open
19:27:31 <amalloy> ontoclasm: "you hear a depressing noise or something, whatever"
19:28:05 <nicolae-> "There's an orb, somewhere, who cares, fuck it"
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19:30:32 <gammafunk> "You die, but that fight was boring and lame."
19:37:12 <CanOfWorms> do you really want to quit? (Type "whatever")
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20:05:03 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 85fd701 #2539 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/61372409
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20:05:26 <|amethyst> the same "keep equipping yourself?" loop
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20:14:52 <Lasty> Stop equipping yourself, stop equipping yourself!
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20:25:55 <syndicus_> where is %%CHROOT_LOGIN_DB%% defined? i tried to replace it with a hard coded path to /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dgamelaunch.db but the server wont run then
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20:27:20 <|amethyst> dgl-manage.conf
20:27:23 <wheals> we just need to replace the abyss bot with a qw mod
20:27:39 <|amethyst> syndicus_:  it is the path inside the chroot
20:28:37 <|amethyst> all the variables starting with %%CHROOT_ are relative to the chroot, not the host filesystem
20:28:56 <|amethyst> better to use the %% thing though
20:29:05 <|amethyst> and dgl publish
20:29:13 <Lasty> @?? salamander mystic
20:29:13 <Gretell> salamander mystic (08N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 10 | HP: 50-81 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 1004(fire:10-19) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 772 | Sp: mystic blast (3d15), b.magma (3d18), haste other, localized ignite poison | Sz: Medium | Int: high.
20:29:36 <|amethyst> that way you only have one place to change (dgl-manage.conf) if you decide to do something differently
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20:44:41 <syndicus> the form in the webtiles register won't post, any ideas? checked that dglusers was created
20:45:18 <chequers> you dont disable js or anything do you?
20:45:29 <syndicus> no
20:46:12 <chequers> are you setting this server up for public use, or just personal?
20:46:40 <syndicus> right now its all test on localhost
20:47:01 <chequers> just if it's for the former, you probably should be using webtiles-changes
20:47:16 <chequers> |amethyst: why wasn't webtiles-changes suggested for syndicus?
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20:48:08 <|amethyst> chequers:  the "setting up webtiles and dgamelaunch" document doesn't cover webtiles-changes
20:48:24 <syndicus> i found this: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9098
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20:49:45 <|amethyst> chequers:  a fork of it that does would be good
20:49:50 <chequers> ah no, not that bug. it's now an official branch
20:50:00 <syndicus> https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl/tree/webtiles-changes is that down for only me?
20:50:09 <|amethyst> not that one
20:50:11 <chequers> basically, there's a massive rewrite of the webtiles server that will (hopefully) get merged in 0.17
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20:50:15 <PleasingFungus> ??storm cloud
20:50:15 <Sequell> storm cloud[1/1]: On a coinflip either summons a twister and several air elementals; or summons a few air elementals, pushes monsters away like a fan of gales, and places storm clouds that do electricity damage.
20:50:17 <|amethyst> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/webtiles-changes
20:50:23 <chequers> see crawl/crawl repo on github, the webtiles-changes branch
20:50:25 <PleasingFungus> !learn mv storm_cloud[1 storm_card[1
20:50:26 <Sequell> storm_cloud[1] -> storm card[1/2]: On a coinflip either summons a twister and several air elementals; or summons a few air elementals, pushes monsters away like a fan of gales, and places storm clouds that do electricity damage.
20:50:30 <PleasingFungus> !learn del storm_card[2
20:50:30 <Sequell> Deleted storm card[2/2]: Gives you short-term Flight, a number of friendly air elementals based on spellpower, and a neutral twister nearby to kill you or mess up your positioning.
20:50:47 <|amethyst> doh
20:50:48 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: good freudian slip, imho
20:51:06 <PleasingFungus> also hopefully storm cloud didn't have an entry before
20:51:14 <|amethyst> I prefer Jungian petticoats myself
20:51:22 <chequers> so you're sort of setting up a server at an awkward point. webtiles is basically getting completely replaced with a new system, and the few docs for it are focused on helping existing admins migrate from the old system
20:51:45 <|amethyst> hm, it probably did
20:52:01 <chequers> i don't know how technical you are, but I eventually set up webtiles-changes from scratch partially following the old docs and with a lot of hard work
20:52:10 <PleasingFungus> I'm failing to pull up google cache for the learndb page right now
20:52:30 <chequers> so, if you're setting up the server to play with personally, just go webtiles, but be aware if you want to keep it up to date you will have to throw away all your work in a few months
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20:54:01 <syndicus> i have a decent box and connection at work i'd like to set it up public
20:54:11 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: if we wanted to make royal jellies more distinct from pizza, we could push their nutrition up toward rations'. ofc, that would probably require tweaking some food vaults
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20:55:40 <syndicus> chequers: i've been banging my head since friday trying to get it to work how it is now
20:56:16 <|amethyst> !learn add storm_cloud[1] Has a 1/4 chance of zapping things in it with lightning each turn and makes a lot of noise.
20:56:16 <Sequell> storm cloud[1/1]: Has a 1/4 chance of zapping things in it with lightning each turn and makes a lot of noise.
20:56:23 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  yeah, bees
20:56:39 <wheals> beeeeeeeeeeees
20:57:12 <wheals> Mmm... bees.
20:57:18 <chequers> syndicus: sounds like me exactly in October of last year
20:57:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  imo do that and remove rations
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20:57:30 <chequers> syndicus: my sympathies. setting up webtiles server is PITA :(
20:57:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and also remove beef jerky and pizza
20:57:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  so herbivores get small fast food (but fedhas wants it too), carnivores get chunks
20:58:15 <|amethyst> and everybody gets the same big slow permafood (rations)
20:58:32 <|amethyst> err, royal jelly rations
20:58:46 <syndicus> chequers: its not a problem, my *nix skills and git aren't great - this is to break up the day job monotony (build/sell WP sites)
20:58:58 <|amethyst> I guess that means carnivores get more permafood
20:58:59 <|amethyst> hm
20:59:17 <|amethyst> I guess bread and meat do have to stay separate
20:59:27 <syndicus> |amethyst and gammafunk are probably tired of me lol
20:59:41 <|amethyst> or it could be bread and jelly, no meat rations
20:59:56 <|amethyst> hm, ghouls
21:00:40 <|amethyst> I am skeleton jelly?
21:00:58 <wheals> hi skeleton jelly??
21:01:18 <wheals> skelatin for short
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21:01:43 <nicolae-> bug report: i just made the latest trunk and now my vision is a square?
21:01:45 <|amethyst> gelatine is skeleton jelly
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21:01:59 <wheals> + misc animal parts
21:02:00 <nicolae-> hoof jelly, i think
21:02:03 <wheals> yeah
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21:02:14 <|amethyst> or fish bones
21:02:15 <nicolae-> it's made from collagen which comes from hooves and other various tissues
21:02:23 <nicolae-> hm, could be, i dunno what's in fish bones
21:02:46 <|amethyst> perhaps cartilage rather
21:02:57 <wheals> those would be shark bones
21:03:04 <|amethyst> apparently pigskin is common
21:04:01 <wheals> anyway this idea is completely unworkable, removing pizza is not a viable option (but actually if it simplifies things more it's probably good)
21:04:17 <nicolae-> what the
21:04:25 <|amethyst> make fedhas use pizza instead of fruit
21:04:26 <nicolae-> removing circlelos, removing pizza, obviously the devs hate circles
21:04:33 <|amethyst> oh right
21:04:50 <|amethyst> we need to change our pizza tile to a rectangular pizza
21:04:52 <wheals> squares are made of two triangles, devs confirmed for illuminati
21:05:15 <nicolae-> the letter A in crawl is a triangle with a little triangle at the top, illuminati
21:05:24 <|amethyst> yes, and what does A stand for?
21:05:29 <|amethyst> profane servitor of course
21:05:30 <nicolae-> antichrist
21:05:31 <nicolae-> ah
21:05:34 <nicolae-> that too
21:05:39 <nicolae-> it all ties together
21:05:58 <nicolae-> one time i gave some thought to a god of conspiracy theories and then quickly realized it's usually better to start god ideas with things like Powers or Conducts and not Crazy Flavor
21:06:26 <syndicus> chequers: if i wanted to use webtiles-changes branch i would have to edit crawl-git.conf and start over?
21:06:55 <chequers> actually, dgl-config simply does not work with webtiles-changes, so everything it does you're on your own
21:07:03 <|amethyst> I think there's a branch in our dgamelaunch-config repository
21:07:08 <|amethyst> but it's not complete
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21:07:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk and johnstein were working on it some time ago
21:07:35 <wheals> webtiles-changes's first birthday is approaching
21:07:37 <syndicus> what it take to be able to register users with the current setup before webtiles-changes is merged into trunk?
21:08:36 <gammafunk> yes I modified dgl to upgrade webtiles-changes
21:08:39 <|amethyst> do you get any errors in the webtiles logs?
21:08:43 <chequers> I ended up using strace a lot to answer questions like that
21:08:46 <nicolae-> question, is it necessary to make a whole branch if i just want to make a little patch for like vaults and stuff
21:08:48 <nicolae-> in git
21:08:51 <|amethyst> when you try logging in
21:08:54 <johnstein> I need to actually update to the latest webtiles-changes
21:09:01 <|amethyst> err, when you try submitting rather
21:09:14 <|amethyst> you might need to fix some permissions
21:09:28 <wheals> nicolae-: it doesn't hurt
21:09:33 <gammafunk> johnstein: well, I'm not sure you should at this point, just because I kind of want to see what mumra will be up to
21:09:39 <syndicus> WARN: Could not write dgl status file: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/crawl-master/webserver/run/status'
21:09:39 <nicolae-> wheals: noted
21:09:45 <gammafunk> it's true that there is no harm by upgrading though
21:10:00 <johnstein> syndicus: I ran into a whole mess of permissions issues when I set things up.
21:10:01 <gammafunk> I guess I'm saying that I'm not going to change much until it's clear to me what mumra will do
21:10:16 <chequers> yes. so many files that need certain permissions which there are no checks for
21:10:44 <gammafunk> once he decides on angular.js versus using react/jsx
21:10:44 <chequers> I've tried to fix a lot of that in webtiles-changes
21:10:44 <|amethyst> syndicus:  step 9
21:10:46 <gammafunk> then maybe we can go somewhere
21:10:54 <johnstein> syndicus: are you following the dgamelaunch wiki article? if so, most of the time when it's unclear what permissions should be, there's a note on it. if not, please feel free to update for clarity
21:10:59 <chequers> gammafunk: is mumra helping you with the client-side rewrite?
21:11:28 <syndicus> johnstein: yes, i have been using that guide
21:11:37 <gammafunk> well mumra is targetting the bugs that make webtiles slow, and he thinks some of these are related to the app
21:11:58 <gammafunk> and some are related to the client possibly
21:12:06 <gammafunk> but it's more I need him to decide on a framework
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21:12:30 <chequers> oh, fantastic
21:12:52 <chequers> I guess i'm waiting on you waiting on mumra then :) I want to make the front page ~pretty~
21:13:15 <gammafunk> yeah, it's probably best if we see what he might do before rewriting a bunch of lobby code etc
21:13:37 <gammafunk> I'm defering to him because he does a lot of js and understands it better than the rest of us
21:13:44 <chequers> still have my own pending work though... guest accounts is 98% done, save handler is 30%
21:14:03 <gammafunk> well mumra was even talking about rewriting the server to be 100% js
21:14:09 <gammafunk> using e.g. io.js
21:14:22 <gammafunk> that's a bit more long term, and I'm not sure how serious he is there
21:14:45 <chequers> i have some problems with twisted, in that I'm pretty sure one game hiccuping on read() will delay every client
21:15:32 <chequers> (but it might be just bad architecture of our event loop)
21:16:13 <syndicus> chequers: did you make the landing page on develz? i like it, whoever did it
21:17:02 <syndicus> html5 bootstrap?
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21:17:22 <chequers> yes & yes :)
21:17:41 <chequers> it needs more love, but the cdo admin is elusive
21:18:20 <reaverb> %git
21:18:20 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-945-g601bd79: Add a missing TAG_MAJOR_VERSION comment 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/601bd7992155
21:18:22 <|amethyst> other people can update it I think
21:18:33 <reaverb> Oh sorry I thought Chei wasn't working, just got the ping >_> <_<
21:18:42 <|amethyst> but gammafunk I believe is the only one who can update both the copy on CDO and your repo
21:18:49 <chequers> more about getting him to change the domain name
21:18:56 <chequers> and take over domain ownership, etc blah
21:19:04 <gammafunk> yeah chequers' changes are thinks that nap.kin has to do
21:19:08 <gammafunk> *things
21:19:39 <|amethyst> ah
21:19:48 <gammafunk> I'm not sure what all of them are or if they're actually necessary, but that's probably best for others to decide as I don't have much experience with e.g. cdns
21:19:53 <|amethyst> I hope crawl.develz.org stays around as an alias at least
21:20:10 <chequers> it would remain the home for tavern/mantis/etc
21:20:17 <chequers> dcssgame.com would just be the landing site
21:20:19 <gammafunk> and wordpress
21:20:27 <gammafunk> oh you said etc
21:20:48 <gammafunk> I guess dcss.com wasn't available?
21:21:24 <gammafunk> oh seems it isn't
21:21:30 <chequers> yeah, nothing 4 word is available nowadays
21:21:32 <|amethyst> crawlsoup.org is available
21:21:33 <gammafunk> digital consulting and software services
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21:21:34 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 52a14e0 #2540 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/61381046
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21:21:40 <chequers> *letter
21:21:50 <chequers> probably not wordpress, btw
21:21:59 <|amethyst> I got one of the last two three-letter domains (before IDN was a thing)
21:22:01 <syndicus> |amethyst: i chownd' the appropriate directories, the latest error out of webtiles.log - OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database
21:22:08 <|amethyst> there's way too much stuff on wordpress
21:22:11 <syndicus> there are a ton of cool new gTLDs
21:22:14 <chequers> a purely static frontpage would let us use CDN!
21:22:18 <|amethyst> how will people make blog posts?
21:22:29 <chequers> well, wordpress would remain where it is, I mean
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21:22:39 <chequers> syndicus: check the sqlite db is writeable
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21:22:55 <chequers> (if you're running as different users you'll need a common group with +w)
21:23:30 <gammafunk> hrm, the 15th is only 10 days away!
21:23:39 <gammafunk> I asked doy a while back if he was ready to switch over
21:23:41 <|amethyst> hey
21:25:06 <gammafunk> since PF has made all kinds of trouble by putting to commits to github when he shouldn't we need to practical joke him somehow on flag day
21:25:33 <chequers> we've migrated to bitbucket, please learn mercurial
21:25:52 <gammafunk> special pre-commit hook to introduce spelling/grammatical errors into his commits?
21:25:53 <nicolae-> on flag day you should send a predator drone to his house
21:26:26 <syndicus> should root or crawl own dgamelaunch.db?
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21:27:18 <chequers> it has to be written to by the webtiles process (and dgamelaunch, if you're doing that bit)
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21:29:24 <|amethyst> dc-ss.org
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21:34:36 <|amethyst> there
21:34:38 <|amethyst> dc-ss.org
21:34:40 <syndicus> permission denied on ttyrec, is that file permission or apache config?
21:34:49 <|amethyst> won't work for ssh obviously
21:35:19 <|amethyst> syndicus:  it's directory permission
21:36:05 <|amethyst> on /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/ttyrec/ or some subdirectory
21:36:36 <|amethyst> that all needs to be owned by user 'crawl'
21:36:59 <syndicus> i wen't through and chown'd all the dirs from #9, including dgldir/ttyrec
21:37:23 <wheals> oh huh, how long has dc-ss.org been redirecting there?
21:37:28 <syndicus> its owned by crawl
21:37:44 <syndicus> nvm i think its the subdir
21:37:53 <wheals> Created Date: 2015-05-05
21:37:55 <wheals> oh
21:38:02 <|amethyst> wheals:  just registered it
21:38:04 <wheals> was <|amethyst> there
21:38:05 <wheals> yeah
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21:50:49 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: I am not convinced that removing meat rations would be a significant nerf to ghouls
21:51:07 <syndicus> ok guys im up and runnin
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21:52:20 <reaverb> What's this about removing meat rations?
21:52:46 <PleasingFungus> reaverb: there was a suggestion of removing them, increasing royal jelly nutrition, and using them instead
21:53:49 <reaverb> That seems like an excellent idea to me.
21:53:53 <amalloy> but then how will we punish the hippies who play vegetarian races?
21:54:12 <|amethyst> reduce overall permafood
21:54:26 <|amethyst> so that spriggans get about the same amount of nutrition
21:55:10 <PleasingFungus> could probably poke at herbivore factors, since that's the most direct way to tweak spriggans specifically
21:55:34 <|amethyst> honestly I'd rather just get rid of that
21:55:58 <PleasingFungus> the flavourrrrr
21:56:01 <|amethyst> make it binary, 0 or full normal nutrition
21:56:03 <PleasingFungus> the delicious flavour of bread!!!
21:56:11 <|amethyst> we can make every kind of food have variants like fruit
21:56:21 <|amethyst> flavour restored
21:56:42 <magicpoints> call bread rations just rations
21:56:45 <amalloy> Things that are here: 8 foods
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21:57:26 <CanOfWorms> you eat the bread ration. Mmm... banana.
21:57:45 <wheals> banana bread!
21:58:08 <|amethyst> You eat the bread ration. Mmm... naan.
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22:04:22 <PleasingFungus> my naan went bad today :(
22:04:44 <nicolae-> he hoped to have naan... but instead he had none
22:05:03 <PleasingFungus> I was green with envy of people who have naan
22:05:07 <PleasingFungus> my naan was also green
22:05:19 <nicolae-> owned
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22:05:53 <PleasingFungus> p much.
22:07:11 <magicpoints> You eat the bread ration. Mmm... a submarine sandwich. if you.herbivorous() then return " You pick off the deli meats."
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22:25:51 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 601bd79 #2541 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/61382040
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22:35:19 <gammafunk> olives? sardines? can we add those foods to crawl
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22:41:27 <ontoclasm> has there been consideration of just removing food
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22:46:46 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: sardines are in crawl.
22:47:32 <gammafunk> no I'm not counting the pizza tornado commit you accidentally pushed to github instead of gitorious!
22:47:38 <PleasingFungus> ?
22:47:50 <PleasingFungus> %git ca9410779ae1fd6626b6e40b642a24879dfdeaf5
22:47:50 <Cheibriados> 07CKyle02 {wheals} * 0.16-a0-1945-gca94107: Cats like fish. 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca9410779ae1
22:48:00 <PleasingFungus> oh right
22:48:02 <PleasingFungus> wrong fish
22:51:36 <ontoclasm> neither of those fish are acceptable
22:56:29 <Zannick> You open the tuna like a can of sardines!!!!
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22:59:50 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-946-g1856e96: Unbrace (sort of) 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1856e9686215
23:00:34 <gammafunk> wow, an ambiguous unbrace commit. that is so deconstructive...
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23:01:16 <gammafunk> how to define a default function parameter value in javascript: do_cleanup = typeof do_cleanup === 'undefined' ? false : true;
23:01:38 <gammafunk> I guess that should be do_cleanup instead of true
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23:01:48 <gammafunk> not that it matters
23:01:53 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: it's a result of running unbrace, but it's not the usual result
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23:02:38 <gammafunk> er, actually that is the usual result
23:03:19 <gammafunk> I guess it's a bit awkward since we have a script specifically named "unbrace" and we like to use that in the commit messages
23:03:36 <Zannick> the usual result being a commit with a message not much more descriptive than "unbrace"
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23:05:44 <gammafunk> the lack of spaces near the '/' seems weird, is that somehow our style?
23:05:54 <gammafunk> I thought it applied to all math operators
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23:08:50 <PleasingFungus> I don't think the lack of spaces near / is our style
23:08:52 <PleasingFungus> idk tho
23:09:01 <PleasingFungus> anyway the usual result of unbrace is adding or removing curly braces
23:09:05 <PleasingFungus> whereas this messed with pares
23:09:07 <PleasingFungus> n
23:10:53 <chequers> <+PleasingFungus> |amethyst: I am not convinced that removing meat rations would be a significant nerf to ghouls <-- think of the children/gh^gozag
23:11:41 <gammafunk> yeah 'unbrace' really means 'things like curly braces and parens' so it's not unusual in any sense, not that any of this matters
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23:15:16 <chequers> gammafunk: i think you can simplify your js with ===
23:15:43 <chequers> gammafunk: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/148901/is-there-a-better-way-to-do-optional-function-parameters-in-javascript
23:16:16 <chequers> oh, this is exactly what you did
23:16:21 <gammafunk> yeah
23:16:25 <gammafunk> I read a similar answer
23:16:57 <gammafunk> this google sheet import of objstat thing is almost done
23:17:03 <gammafunk> so that's nice; it actually works
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23:20:14 <gammafunk> after that maybe I can figure out how to get the zip uploading to work over an http post or something instead of a js form post
23:20:37 <gammafunk> and johnstein might be able to get me regular objstat data, or I can use a vps
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23:25:24 <PleasingFungus> chequers: gh^gozag get corpse shops
23:25:27 <PleasingFungus> what more could you ask for
23:26:05 <PleasingFungus> huh, I wonder if bh tweaked gh at all with his rot changes.
23:26:13 <PleasingFungus> I have no idea if they were a buff or nerf for them.
23:26:16 <PleasingFungus> pronouns.
23:26:59 <chequers> they weren't tweaked, I don't think it had a major effect on gh
23:27:13 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-945-g601bd79 (34)
23:27:42 <gammafunk> hrm, wouldn't gh^G be horrid?
23:27:51 <gammafunk> I imagine you'd rot a lot
23:27:58 <chequers> yes, gh & tr are both very tough
23:28:06 <chequers> vp too, although I don't have personal experience
23:28:19 <gammafunk> hrm, I played tr of G back when he gave porridge
23:28:22 <gammafunk> it was pretty easy
23:28:32 <chequers> !lg * tr gozag won
23:28:33 <Sequell> 1. dpeg the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrMo of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-29 22:56:17, with 1806380 points after 61035 turns and 3:59:03.
23:28:41 <chequers> !lg * tr gozag
23:28:42 <Sequell> 105. enigmoo the Brawler (L12 TrWr of Gozag), slain by a cyan ugly thing on D:14 on 2015-04-30 19:42:55, with 24885 points after 13044 turns and 0:58:23.
23:29:25 <gammafunk> that char got to shoals before I just killed it out of boredom more or less, but had no food probs
23:29:34 <gammafunk> wonder how the shops compare in terms of nutrition available, though
23:29:48 <gammafunk> and there's the fact that you have to find the shop, I suppose
23:30:58 <syndicus> by the way thank you to |amethyst chequers and gammafunk
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23:31:10 <gammafunk> but in reverse order, right?
23:31:34 <chequers> I think I was least helpful, since most of my advice was "just throw all that away and use webtiles-changes"
23:32:07 <Lightli> so boring beetles were removed because they were boring?
23:32:14 <chequers> call merchant food shops are very expensive, compared to potion petition, and yes if you call too late the shop will be placed post-lair entrance, which is tough
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23:34:01 <gammafunk> my tr did use petition for food quite a bit
23:34:15 <gammafunk> ...maybe that's the only thing it used it for
23:34:25 <gammafunk> !lg . tr-- boring
23:34:26 <Sequell> 2. gammafunk the Chucker (L2 TrHu), quit the game on D:2 on 2015-02-13 22:12:40, with 25 points after 1112 turns and 0:02:57.
23:34:35 <gammafunk> !lg . tr boring -2
23:34:36 <Sequell> 1/2. gammafunk the Brawler (L15 TrFi of Gozag), quit the game on Shoals:3 on 2014-05-13 01:02:45, with 97646 points after 28707 turns and 3:02:19.
23:34:38 <gammafunk> !lg . tr boring -2 -log
23:34:39 <Sequell> 1/2. gammafunk, XL15 TrFi, T:28707: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20140513-010245.txt
23:34:56 <chequers> I suppose with scaling pp costs a shop would be much more cost efficient relatively soon
23:36:19 <gammafunk> maybe tr would plan ahead and buy earlier shops in D
23:36:38 <gammafunk> but there's only so much gold, I guess
23:36:53 <chequers> maybe every gozag vault should have a permafood on it
23:37:08 <gammafunk> no, that's not a good way to adress that
23:37:43 <gammafunk> we have food vaults for the purpose of placing food
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23:38:07 <chequers> i think gh^gozag is easier now that permafood cures rot
23:38:22 <gammafunk> oh, then that would help
23:38:36 <gammafunk> haha, playing gozag *and* a ghoul
23:38:40 <gammafunk> definitely on my todo list!
23:38:52 <gammafunk> !lg basil gh god=gozag
23:38:52 <Sequell> No games for basil (gh god=gozag).
23:39:04 <gammafunk> no endorsment from the king of ghouls?!
23:39:20 <gammafunk> !lg spicerack god=gozag
23:39:21 <Sequell> 1. Basil the Fencer (L19 HuFi of Gozag), starved to death on D:15 (grunt_enter_depths_hoard) on 2014-04-29 01:05:12, with 217483 points after 51987 turns and 2:57:00.
23:39:23 <chequers> wait, I might be wrong about that. I can't find it in the commitlist
23:39:24 <gammafunk> lol
23:39:29 <chequers> LOL
23:39:59 <gammafunk> the first time..and the last time..that basil played Gozag
23:40:25 <gammafunk> !lg devteamnp god=gozag s=name
23:40:26 <Sequell> 165 games for devteamnp (god=gozag): 71x dpeg, 26x MarvinPA, 23x Neil, 13x SGrunt, 7x Lasty, 6x 78291, 6x gammafunk, 5x wheals, 3x PleasingFungus, 3x Medar, 2x elliptic
23:40:57 <gammafunk> !lg devteamnp god=gozag s=name / won o=%
23:40:58 <Sequell> 19/165 games for devteamnp (god=gozag): 2/2x elliptic [100.00%], 2/3x Medar [66.67%], 2/3x PleasingFungus [66.67%], 2/6x 78291 [33.33%], 2/7x Lasty [28.57%], 1/5x wheals [20.00%], 1/6x gammafunk [16.67%], 1/13x SGrunt [7.69%], 5/71x dpeg [7.04%], 1/26x MarvinPA [3.85%], 0/23x Neil [0.00%]
23:41:13 <chequers> %git a3c592f31c63efa212dabc083d2ac895e6074061
23:41:13 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-717-ga3c592f: Make potions of blood cure rotting for ghouls 10(12 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3c592f31c63
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23:41:15 <gammafunk> !lg devteamnp god=gozag s=name !boring / won o=%
23:41:16 <Sequell> 19/162 games for devteamnp (god=gozag !boring): 2/2x elliptic [100.00%], 2/3x PleasingFungus [66.67%], 2/3x Medar [66.67%], 2/5x 78291 [40.00%], 2/7x Lasty [28.57%], 1/4x gammafunk [25.00%], 1/5x wheals [20.00%], 1/13x SGrunt [7.69%], 5/71x dpeg [7.04%], 1/26x MarvinPA [3.85%], 0/23x Neil [0.00%]
23:41:20 <chequers> To make them somewhat playable under Gozag.
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23:41:41 <gammafunk> oh, potions of blood
23:41:47 <gammafunk> those are in his food shops?
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23:41:59 <gammafunk> for gh (and obviously vp), I assume
23:42:41 <chequers> gh food shops have perma-corpses
23:43:44 <amalloy> yeah gh doesn't get potions of blood. they get carrion boutiques
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23:44:39 <Lightli> !seen grunt
23:44:40 <Sequell> I last saw Grunt at Sun May  3 17:52:40 2015 UTC (2d 10h 51m 59s ago) saying '!learn edit orb_spider[3] s/p i/pi/' on ##crawl-dev.
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