00:00:14 you mean for the default case? 00:00:29 when default case under 1/5 chance, that is 00:00:34 yes 00:00:35 I'm not really sure 00:00:58 which line? 00:01:36 oh, 5481 00:01:48 well jiyva and lucy are special 00:02:05 beogh onyl applies to one race, so random altars to him would be annoying 00:02:33 right. I'm wondering how nemelex is special 00:02:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-877-ga10078a (34) 00:02:51 perhaps at one time he was considered really good 00:03:05 -!- ldf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:23 or perhaps it was because he used to require item sac 00:04:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:52 that's actually from pre-stone-soup 00:05:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient/blob/ancient/source/dungeon.cc#L6423 00:06:34 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:06:34 my guess is because all gods used to be in the temple, and nemelex used to have a portable altar 00:06:56 so... that can probably go now 00:07:08 probably! 00:07:18 also 00:07:21 portable altar? wtf 00:07:25 haha 00:07:51 before the pray command? 00:07:51 early crawl had a lot of... interesting concepts 00:07:55 nope, pray existed 00:08:11 nemelex used to gain piety by item sacrifices 00:08:31 right i know about that 00:08:39 and item sacrifices had to happen at an altar, for some reason 00:08:45 ah 00:09:02 not sure if there was an actual reason for that or not 00:09:21 fr rewrite crawl from the ground up 00:09:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:40 do it 00:09:57 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:08 <|amethyst> If you want to rewrite Crawl, you have to understand it fully 00:10:22 <|amethyst> including the historical context that lead to it 00:10:34 <|amethyst> and then, after many decades of study and work, you end up with 00:10:39 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Quixote 00:10:39 but that way lies madness 00:11:27 speaking of madness, 00:11:44 FR: XOM followers should get squarelos 00:11:55 i think that would be a good compromise! 00:12:03 <|amethyst> I suspect that will happen 00:12:04 there was a FR to give xom circlelos as an effect 00:12:09 <|amethyst> oh, you mean only Xom followers 00:12:18 right 00:12:32 <|amethyst> should be Zin followers 00:12:38 heh 00:12:52 -!- lvh has quit [Quit: mov eax, 1; push 0; int 80h] 00:13:41 oh, serious FR: 00:13:47 remove amulet of piety already 00:13:54 *amulet of faith 00:14:25 strategic wearables are dumb 00:16:12 style question: should that check have braces? 00:16:37 do { god = random_god(); } while (condition); 00:16:50 or just do god = random_god(); while (condition); 00:19:00 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:10 <|amethyst> yeah, always use braces on do-while 00:19:20 <|amethyst> (on their own lines as usual) 00:19:26 is there a random_choose_unweighted? 00:19:42 <|amethyst> I kind of think we should cuddle the "} while" but that's not what it says now 00:19:58 <|amethyst> so that /^ *while/ always means a while loop is starting 00:20:08 ok 00:20:18 <|amethyst> from a fixed list of things or an array? 00:20:48 I have random_choose_weighted(1, SIF_MUNA, 1, VEHUMET) 00:21:16 <|amethyst> random_choose(SIF_MUNA, VEHUMET) but coinflip() ? SIF_MUNA : VEHUMET is just as idiomatic 00:21:39 <|amethyst> well, GOD_SIF_MUNA etc 00:21:48 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:02 cool 00:22:12 wow, this function was three lines above already 00:24:31 according to this function, okawaru is a good god and mahkleb is a magic god 00:26:16 <|amethyst> ? 00:27:01 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:02 New branch created: pull/17 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/17 00:28:02 03chequers02 07[pull/17] * 0.17-a0-871-g3cc6c7b: Update random altar god distribution. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cc6c7b2ef82 00:28:48 1/5 of xom is a lot 00:28:57 i'd dial it back to at least 1/10 00:28:59 if not 1/20 00:29:05 true 00:29:18 also, is there any reason to forbid lucy/jiyva/beogh in pan/abyss altar spawns? 00:29:38 lucy is forbidden in abyss? 00:29:41 chequers: that thing for vaults was supposed to be some notion of "lawful", not good 00:29:48 it's weird to put only good gods in vaults 00:30:43 not saying the old dist was great, but putting good gods there is worse imo 00:30:49 *only good gods 00:30:50 my rationale for doing "good" instead of "lawful" is that the categorisation is clearer 00:31:14 unless you really dig into the lore the group of good + oka is just arbitrary 00:31:14 that's not a very good reason 00:31:20 evil will also be clearer 00:31:28 not but reason to put only evil gods in vaults either 00:31:38 *but no 00:31:50 that wasn't good + oka either 00:32:37 maybe vaults should just get random distribution -- I feel the other specially handled branches have more obvious connection to their god distribution 00:32:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33:01 yeah that'd be fine with me. You could do just make a "thematic" list 00:33:07 e.g. gozag would be in it 00:33:10 since "gold" etc 00:33:19 <|amethyst> zin 00:33:21 right 00:33:30 it doesn't need to be some particularly clear delineation, this is just theme/flavour 00:33:58 sif doesn't seem more lawful than trog to me, so I don't think sif works there in particular 00:34:19 lugonu is forbidden for random generation in the abyss because all of those altars are specifically placed 00:34:27 arethere any vaults creatures which are trog followers? 00:34:31 usually just out of sight of the stairs 00:34:35 or something 00:34:44 hah, really? 00:34:46 doy: seriously about the just out of sight of stairs part? 00:35:09 is that really in the code? 00:35:15 or maybe the altars are usually actually within sight of the stairs and i'm thinking of the d:1 abyss exit for abyssal knights 00:35:32 there's something weird like that though 00:37:03 yeah, looks like lugonu altars are usually placed within los 00:37:04 maybe orc should only have beogh too 00:37:52 there are some randomly placed ones too, but they are randomly placed by the special abyss terrain generator rather than by the generic dungeon code 00:38:02 any clues why crypt gets yred/kiku but tomb only gets kiku? 00:38:24 yred followers ran too low on piety to bother making altars in tomb 00:38:42 ha 00:38:45 crypt is more "undead" themed, tomb is more "undead necromancy" themed, i guess 00:38:48 huh, yred definitely makes snse for tomb 00:39:19 in any case, i'm not sure that these restrictions all necessarily have to make sense 00:39:29 speaking of yred and kiku, their wraths are surprisingly tame. not sure if that's a problem with me expecting too much, or them being too weak 00:39:32 difference for difference's sake isn't a bad thing either 00:39:41 for things like this that don't matter a lot 00:40:06 doy: I agree difference is good, but I think players won't notice difference in something subtle like this unless it's very clear 00:40:09 I just did kiku -> chei in lair (wanted a hammer of pain), and it's been painless, no pun intended 00:40:21 eg if vaults altars are oka + good gods, that will appear to just be random 00:40:34 because players don't have the concept of "lawful" gods 00:40:36 rchandra: wrath is scaled based on piety, i believe 00:40:44 so switching in lair is probably not going to hurt much 00:40:53 I was champion of kiku first 00:40:59 got the pain hammer, then took chei 00:41:28 almost done with kiku wrath from lair: 5-8 I think, too 00:41:29 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:08 ok, lower xom chance, beogh only in orc, and simplified logic 00:43:13 03chequers02 07[pull/17] * 0.17-a0-871-gf045959: Update random altar god distribution. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f045959bf708 00:51:30 also 00:51:33 you changed the logic there 00:51:52 previously, there was a 1/5 chance of any altar being picked, even in other branches 00:52:12 even in branches with restrictions, that is 00:52:44 these altars are all flavor anyway 00:52:50 except jiyva/lucy 00:52:56 yeah 00:53:50 i don't think flavor needs to hammer you over the head to be noticeable 00:55:16 and i think xom being the only god that shows up in unexpected places, beogh being the only god that shows up in orc, etc would do that 00:57:31 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 00:58:10 < doy> you changed the logic there <-- yes :) 00:58:17 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:00:17 the implied other half of that sentence would be "and i don't really like it, and even if it's kept in, the commit message should mention it" 01:02:03 sorry, thought the message did, I'll rewrite it 01:02:37 really, i think what i'm actually trying to say is the last two sections of http://tevisthompson.com/saving-zelda/ 01:02:49 in terms of general game design philosophy 01:05:08 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:31 -!- aarujn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:09 I don't really get what you're trying to tell me with this article. It's like.. a love letter from a gamer to a series he has outgrown, but doesn't want to admit 01:10:45 <|amethyst> distribution of non-jiyva, non-lugonu altars in most of the game is irrelevant for gameplay, barring weapon prayers; so if it's going to be complex, it might as well have it paint a story 01:10:46 it's even hinted at, mentioning the series is "kid-tested, mother-approved", or "For veteran players like myself, though, the profound conservatism at Zelda’s heart feels more patronizing with each repetition" 01:11:14 <|amethyst> re things like "lawful gods" 01:11:21 <|amethyst> that have no mechanical weight 01:12:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:14:57 <|amethyst> that said, I'd be fine with having the same probabilities nearly everywhere to make the code simpler (Beogh in Orc could be handled with vaults) 01:16:04 <|amethyst> but if the decision is going to be made based on flavour, I'm in favour of richer and more nuanced flavour 01:16:08 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:09 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:16:32 <|amethyst> even if that makes the flavour somewhat less clear 01:16:48 <|amethyst> then again, I also liked Fannar's and Wiglaf's novellas :) 01:17:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:17:52 <|amethyst> I could see the argument for hitting the player over the head in terms of making it binary rather than a 5x weight 01:18:57 03chequers02 07[pull/17] * 0.17-a0-871-g2425078: Update random altar god distribution. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/24250781f78d 01:18:59 <|amethyst> since a 5x weight is easy to confuse with a lucky run 01:19:11 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:19:34 is this beogh, which was a 50/50 split, or xom, which I moved from basically random to 1/5 to 1/20? 01:20:18 <|amethyst> I thought doy mentioned a 1/5 chance of picking a random god anyway 01:20:26 I think 1/20 still works for xom since there's no other random altars in specific branches. Currently you wouldn't be any more surprised to see trog than xom 01:20:40 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:20:41 yes, my patch kills that 01:20:55 only xom gets to be unexpected! 01:22:05 <|amethyst> beogh is a little different because you don't really see beogh altars elsewhere 01:22:44 beogh altars are never used either, since any hill orc would convert on d:3 01:22:46 <|amethyst> I think all beogh isn't too bad, but I'd maybe rather see something like 80-20 01:23:13 <|amethyst> so that you learn that some orcs are heretics 01:23:57 yeah ok, I'm not really convinced by vehumet in orc but trog & mahkleb make sense 01:23:59 <|amethyst> getting rid of the 1/5 I do think I like though 01:24:51 <|amethyst> well, there are sorcerors and wizards 01:24:51 <|amethyst> maybe made more sense when vehumet had summoning in eir portfolio 01:24:51 <|amethyst> s/ror/rer/ 01:24:58 maybe I should make some orc minivaults that have a bunch of wizards in a room with a veh altar 01:25:08 <|amethyst> I'd also argue for adding kiku to elf 01:25:31 <|amethyst> DE do necromancy sometimes 01:26:14 god = (coinflip() ? GOD_VEHUMET : GOD_SIF_MUNA); <-- do I need brackets here? 01:26:23 <|amethyst> no 01:27:29 <|amethyst> ? has the same precedence as =, and that precedence level is right-associative 01:27:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:28:36 <|amethyst> (this is different from C) 01:29:15 ok 01:29:16 <|amethyst> (but the same in this case---the two languages differ on a ? b : c = d; 01:29:18 <|amethyst> ) 01:31:06 03chequers02 07[pull/17] * 0.17-a0-871-g55ca797: Update random altar god distribution. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 29-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55ca7979b5a5 01:31:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:33:24 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:40:01 -!- dplusplus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:09 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:01:14 -!- schisto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03:57 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:06:07 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:33 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 02:14:49 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:04 -!- Siveran has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:21:33 -!- ksagri has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:53 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-877-ga10078a (34) 02:28:53 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:33:47 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:53 -!- Sose has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:44:06 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:46:06 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:58:52 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:11:53 -!- FuHanchu has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 03:24:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:43 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30:43 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:30:59 -!- dustinm`_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:31:51 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:37:08 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:22 Hi, I'm looking for some infos about using an app through telnet like DCSS 03:37:49 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:57 I know how to do a game using ncurses and all that stuff, but I would like some help about the telnet part. 03:38:02 If someone can guide me <3 03:40:30 well, crawl uses dgamelaunch for that 03:40:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:56 you could read up about it, but it's purpose-built for public roguelike servers, pretty much 03:41:42 ok thanks 03:46:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:54 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:27 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:50:58 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:24 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:08:46 Zaba: Finally I used a simple "ForceCommand" in sshd.config 04:08:55 Do you think it can be dangerous ? 04:09:27 well, dgamelaunch runs in a chroot and so on 04:10:47 ok, I just "ForceCommand myprogram", so it should be ok :o) 04:14:16 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:21:10 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:27:50 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:38:16 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:52 Zaba: doesn't mean it can't do nasty things. 04:48:01 yeah 04:48:08 Also, are you a frog? 04:48:28 Because your nickname is frog (almost) in Polish. 04:48:33 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:48:34 all it needs is a dot over the z. 04:52:06 -!- DEFE has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:57:20 I'm not 04:57:28 but you are not the first to point that out :P 05:01:25 -!- Orfax has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:05:23 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:05:31 Well, I guess there are other (half) Polish people in the world. 05:18:03 -!- jmr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:23:36 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:24:01 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:30:25 -!- bladedpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:54:30 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:39 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:56:04 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:07:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:58 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:17:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:19:58 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:31 -!- ly^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:34 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:37:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:29 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:45 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:41 -!- Kolbur1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:41 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:00:19 -!- aarujn has quit [Quit: aarujn] 07:03:29 !tell aarujn Hi, sorry for late reply. 07:03:30 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:03:30 dpeg: OK, I'll let aarujn know. 07:03:33 !messages 07:03:34 (1/1) chequers said (2d 11h 17m 21s ago): how do you feel about making gozag's potion petition more consistent for players? https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commit/6461cd44c4077e509d4ccc40ddf6d27673c5e2d2 07:04:38 -!- Kolbur1 is now known as Kolbur 07:05:58 !seen chequers 07:05:59 I last saw chequers at Thu Apr 30 06:51:57 2015 UTC (5h 14m 1s ago) saying 'really' on ##crawl. 07:06:17 chequers: around? Might be a strange time in your place... 07:08:33 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:21:01 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:25 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27:56 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32:13 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:39:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:32 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:32 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:51:52 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:01:22 -!- MurderMachine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:06:24 -!- Kolbur1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:09 http://pastebin.com/MVK5ZYSS 08:07:18 crawl started doing this again because reasons 08:07:23 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:07:53 and now it stopped doing it 08:07:55 this is confusing 08:09:02 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:09:31 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 08:10:19 %git :/[Rr]estore [Oo]ffhand 08:10:19 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-93-gcf0d72b: Restore offhand blade punch (FierceOmelette) 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cf0d72b1d740 08:10:49 huh 08:11:01 %git fa8c127 08:11:02 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-725-gfa8c127: Remove an unused macro (gammafunk) 10(10 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa8c1271ce4b 08:12:11 -!- Kolbur1 is now known as Kolbur 08:13:04 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:13:56 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:15:28 unfr windows 08:15:34 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:41 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:16:29 %git oubliette 08:16:30 07dpeg02 * 0.17-a0-715-ga3b7590: More randomisation. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 43+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3b7590887ad 08:16:33 %git oubliette^ 08:16:33 07dpeg02 * 0.17-a0-714-g12bda93: Add an arrival vault featuring some puny monsters attacking the ally. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12bda935840a 08:16:35 %git oubliette^^ 08:16:35 07dpeg02 * 0.17-a0-713-ge9d4015: Oubliette documentation: ally placement. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9d401549045 08:16:39 %git oubliette^^^ 08:16:39 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-712-gf8d5b6a: Bind Oubliette allies in eternal incarceration. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8d5b6af8ebc 08:17:15 i was wondering whether the no_stairs tag could be used if we want to bring back the ancient champ vault 08:17:26 i guess it wasn't a great vault anyway 08:24:03 wheals: aha, perhaps... Hard to say which vaults qualify as "great". Maybe none does :) 08:24:24 only kennysheep vaults IMO 08:32:36 -!- Kolbur1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:21 -!- Kolbur2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:21 -!- CacoS has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:35:22 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:37:01 -!- Kolbur1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:39:51 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:37 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:42:57 -!- Kolbur2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46:38 !greatrace dd elliptic 08:46:41 Unwon deep dwarfs for elliptic: DDCj, DDFE 08:46:54 mm 08:46:59 squaring off the rest of them 08:48:29 my squarelos dude just died but it seemed good to me 08:48:55 wheals: have there been any reservations against squarelos (from devs)? 08:49:09 presumably i would have survived if i decided to do something that wasn't "get tornado by lair:8" :P 08:49:15 did he die squarely? :P 08:49:22 fair and square! 08:49:24 !lg 08:49:25 3472. wheals the Stormcaller (L15 DEAE of Cheibriados), slain by a raven (led by a tengu conjurer) on D:15 on 2015-04-30 13:43:57, with 92435 points after 30476 turns and 1:22:30. 08:49:42 never went that far with chei before 08:49:44 I guess he was a blockhead. 08:50:05 so maybe it should go from branch to trunk? 08:50:19 perhaps 08:50:58 elliptic: i'm not sure if tornado was slightly buggy? sometimes it looked like the clouds started dispersing before they were supposed to, and then gathered again (was in open area) 08:51:04 i saw that you did some refactoring 08:52:37 I for one welcome our new nonEuclidian overlords. 08:52:53 I need to try out the branch 08:53:27 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:31 thankfully it's on a cool server for cool people 08:53:41 ?? coolserver 08:53:42 coolserver[1/1]: A server with games tracked by Sequell. 08:54:11 ?? cool[5 08:54:11 cool[5/7]: squarelos 08:55:03 does tornado move stuff around in squares too? 08:55:24 ??squarelos 08:55:24 squarelos[1/8]: Reality of crawl where LOS is square rather than circular. 08:55:31 wheals: which server? 08:55:41 !lm * explbr~~square s=src 08:55:43 579 milestones for * (explbr~~square): 579x cbro 08:55:51 die quadratur des kreises! 08:56:06 Kolbur: indeed! 08:56:12 I should have guessed :D 09:03:29 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:33 -!- Guest2642 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:48 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:04:39 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 09:13:55 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:29 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:58 rectangular tornadoes 09:21:05 the horror 09:28:17 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:30:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:05 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:29 -!- cojito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:59 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48:01 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:00:39 rect'd 10:06:29 -!- Kolbur1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:40 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07:25 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:07:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:09 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:24 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:47 -!- Kolbur1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:12:03 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:46 wheals: do you just mean that the tornado isn't always completely filled in with clouds? that happens with circlenado also 10:15:55 it's just more noticeable with squarenado I think 10:16:01 yeah i doubted it was really a new bug 10:16:14 I'm not sure why it happens 10:16:48 Isn't there a limit to the number of clouds generated per level? I suppose that's probably higher than the number generated by tornado... 10:17:25 Lasty_: yeah, that's not the issue; the tornado always fills up with clouds at the end 10:17:39 it just gets to max radius and is missing a few clouds, then they fill in the next turn 10:18:01 ah, hmm. 10:19:07 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:37 maybe it is actually a feature and only some clouds around the edge fill in because the radius is only 4.8 or something, not 5 10:20:17 i think i noticed that it was happening even in the middle? but only when i was moving 10:20:26 maybe it was an issue due to cheistepping 10:21:32 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:22:18 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:27:10 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:19 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:34 wheals: yeah, I see now... that's really weird, and only seems to happen with cheistepping (and happens with circlenado too) 10:33:10 -!- Athaboros_ has 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(master - a926ed8 #2492 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/60739227 15:07:35 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:08:46 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:08 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:11:53 -!- AFailure has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:54 I have a question for anyone who has knowledge of playable.cc 15:19:47 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:53 greensnark: ^ 15:21:30 AFailure: Probably just better to ask the question and then try again later if no one answers. 15:25:43 Alrighty. I wanted to mess around with species/job combos that just should not be, and I've made modifications to the code to eliminate the check altogether. 15:26:40 But playable.cc is a bit over my head when it comes to C++, and I can't seem to eliminate the code related to the check without breaking it. 15:26:57 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:30 Everything up to that point compiles just fine, with a few warnings about unused functions. 15:27:36 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:02 have you tried just commenting out the two checks in job_allowed function? 15:29:06 !source job_allowed 15:29:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ng-restr.cc#l394 15:29:23 No, and that sounds much easier than what I've done 15:29:34 lemme try that and see 15:30:03 That file seems to have the actual restrictions, playable.cc only has code to list playable combinations etc. 15:31:26 Actually you probably just want to comment out the second check. 15:36:45 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:37:02 Now you mention it, I probably could have it just return CC_UNRESTRICTED 15:37:33 Instead, I started cutting out code and breaking all kinds of things 15:37:43 gonna re-download now... 15:37:59 Thanks for the help folks. 15:39:16 !source art-data.txt 15:39:17 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt 15:40:19 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:40:49 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:31 AFailure: git is really helpful for reverting your changes (among other things) 15:50:38 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:42 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-882-ga7f29ea: Remove MUTFLAG_RU. 10(23 minutes ago, 3 files, 38+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a7f29ea0be92 15:55:42 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-883-gecbea69: Let monsters use the Obsidian Axe (starhawk). 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecbea6964ba2 15:55:55 dpeg: hi 15:55:55 chequers: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:56:47 :D 16:01:05 Zannick: ? 16:01:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:06 wheals_: "Let monsters use the Obsidian Axe" 16:02:22 oh, yeah :) 16:02:29 they don't get mesmerised though :P 16:02:37 aw, heh 16:02:47 monsters like killing enough as is 16:02:56 it just prevents hostile ones from summoning friendly demon when they hit you 16:06:36 I must be missing a step in the compile instructions somewhere. I can't seem to find ddraw.h, dsound.h, or dinput.h anywhere in the source folder. 16:07:33 yep, I missed a sto[ 16:07:35 step 16:07:45 forgot to activate the newer GCC. 16:08:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:14:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:20:18 Huh, now it's complaining about more missing files. I don't know why it's so insistant on using directsound, I didn't ask for sound. 16:23:39 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24:13 -!- carwin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:46 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:24:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24:50 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:29 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:28:20 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-884-gb660efa: Adjust for MUTFLAG_RU removal. 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b660efaca964 16:28:42 oh 16:30:24 clearly add MUTFLAG_END to the enum, then have COMPILE_CHECK(MUTFLAG_END -1 == 1 << MUTFLAG_LAST_EXPONENT) 16:30:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:40 The build failed. (master - 58646f4 #2493 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/60750539 16:30:40 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:31:07 18 tests, 18 succeeded, 0 failed 16:31:07 make: *** [test-test] Error 143 16:34:47 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39:24 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:03 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:45:20 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:51:47 -!- MurderMachine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:02 AFailure, we determined a couyple days ago that the makefile unconditionally enables sound in msys builds 16:52:27 I don't know that anyone looked into it, there are few devs here with Windows platforms much less experience 16:54:40 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55:39 AFailure, you might be able to get it to skip the directsound stuff by commenting out line 197 of the Makefile and editing the next two lines: 16:55:59 DEFINES_L += -D__USE_MINGW_ANSI_STDIO 16:56:18 well, just comment out the second line (EXTRA_LIBS) 16:56:53 if you're building tiles you'd also edit the next EXTRA_LIBS line to omit -lwinmm 17:06:11 @??queen ant perm_ench:haste 17:06:11 queen ant (04a) | Spd: 10-11 | HD: 13 | HP: 56-88 | AC/EV: 14/3 | Dam: 2004(strong poison:47-84) | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 412 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 17:07:31 still terrible 17:07:34 is it flag day yet? can i send a pull request instead of a mantis ticket, for a small change? 17:07:58 pull request are fine already 17:08:02 requests 17:08:23 all i'm sending is PRs already 17:11:50 is there a command like !bug yet for linking to github issues? if not i'll just add !issue 17:12:11 !cmd !issue .echo https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/$* 17:12:12 Defined command: !issue => .echo https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/$* 17:12:16 !issue 18 17:12:16 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/18 17:14:01 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-885-ga6e3a80: Let spell miscasts cause the dust to glow a weird colour. 10(66 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a6e3a8012a64 17:14:01 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-886-gfae3c28: Shrink loop variables' scope. 10(25 minutes ago, 10 files, 154+ 179-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fae3c2814e02 17:14:01 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-887-g9a4375b: Prompt before casting Swiftness for Chei worshippers. 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a4375b65fc1 17:14:01 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-888-g439e22d: Speed up queen ants (dpeg). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/439e22d06260 17:14:01 New branch created: pull/18 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/18 17:14:01 03amalloy02 07[pull/18] * 0.17-a0-885-g53c91f5: Don't call followers of good gods Hellbinder/Demonologist 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/53c91f5667ad 17:14:03 whoa we recently broke 49k commits 17:14:07 %git a926ed8cacfda992 17:14:07 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-880-ga926ed8: Adjust a Slime entry vault 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a926ed8cacfd 17:14:35 i guess that was the 49000th 17:15:01 METATRON ENGAGE 17:15:11 !tell |amethyst i'm not sure if i missed something in fae3c28 (especially wary since tags.cc was a big offender), could you look over it? :) 17:15:11 wheals_: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 17:15:22 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:18:38 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 17:21:25 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:30 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:24:28 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:30 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:19 wheals_: I bet you cleanup up some old lines of code with that commit 17:28:01 guys someone go merge #18. calling a Su^TSO "Hellbinder" is a travesty that must be fixed immediately 17:28:52 exorcist? :p 17:29:57 !lg amalloy su 17:29:58 15. Mountebank the Caller (L2 MuSu), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2015-03-26 07:46:41, with 17 points after 534 turns and 0:07:25. 17:30:01 pff, 15 17:30:18 my Su have not bee very effective 17:30:26 !lg . su s=xl 17:30:26 15 games for amalloy (su): 6x 1, 2x 10, 2x 2, 2x 9, 3, 5, 4 17:30:30 !lg . sk=summoning 17:30:31 1381. gammafunk the Summoner (L7 DESu of Sif Muna), slain by a killer bee (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by a giant frog)) on D:9 on 2015-04-30 22:19:36, with 928 points after 2811 turns and 0:19:29. 17:30:31 well, I almost got it. 17:30:42 !lg * sk=summoning 17:30:42 77537. gammafunk the Summoner (L7 DESu of Sif Muna), slain by a killer bee (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by a giant frog)) on D:9 on 2015-04-30 22:19:36, with 928 points after 2811 turns and 0:19:29. 17:30:46 !lg * sk=summoning s=name 17:30:49 77537 games for * (sk=summoning): 1381x gammafunk, 939x Sebi, 824x ew, 672x randart, 563x PolkaDot, 504x Neil, 456x VolteccerJack, 450x Poncheis, 368x Lawman0, 335x nfogravity, 332x Atomjack, 329x heteroy, 303x Akhier, 298x urish, 286x duncan, 280x talkingcatjazzcat, 261x syban, 254x estick, 249x Isvaffel, 249x Kyrris, 224x Shovelmint, 224x timbw, 222x fleugma, 212x Xiberia, 210x Lightli, 210x Chi... 17:30:52 that's right 17:31:08 !lg gammafunk sk=summoning sklvl=27 17:31:09 Unknown field: sklvl 17:31:16 man i can never remember that keyword 17:31:17 I never get 27 summoning 17:31:19 ??lg 17:31:19 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 17:31:26 everything has more or less compiled, except the executable. It's complaining about ld.exe not being able to find -llua 17:31:36 AFailure: what's your make arguments? 17:31:37 you have to add BUILD_LUA=y 17:31:40 or what are, I should say 17:31:47 !lg * sk=summoning sklev=27 s=god 17:31:48 118 games for * (sk=summoning sklev=27): 66x Sif Muna, 12x Vehumet, 7x The Shining One, 7x Ashenzari, 5x Cheibriados, 4x Gozag, 4x Nemelex Xobeh, 3x, 2x Fedhas, 2x Lugonu, Okawaru, Xom, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Zin, Makhleb 17:31:51 imo just use NO_PKGCONFIG=y on windows 17:31:52 just TILES=y 17:32:00 AFailure: add NO_PKGCONFIG=y 17:32:19 that's in the INSTALL.txt instructions as well 17:32:46 getting 27 summoning is less a thing compared to conj 17:32:59 you need like 22-24 tops for dcall/summon dragon 17:33:26 and of course even less if you're stopping at xxx, haunt, or just the L7 17:34:02 !lg * sk=summoning sklev>=20 s=god 17:34:03 627 games for * (sk=summoning sklev>=20): 377x Sif Muna, 73x Vehumet, 47x Ashenzari, 15x The Shining One, 14x, 14x Kikubaaqudgha, 13x Cheibriados, 11x Lugonu, 10x Nemelex Xobeh, 8x Xom, 8x Gozag, 7x Makhleb, 6x Jiyva, 5x Okawaru, 5x Ru, 4x Fedhas, 3x Yredelemnul, 2x Qazlal, 2x Dithmenos, 2x Zin, Elyvilon 17:34:19 Singularity does not trigget Makhleb healing 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9692 by Sar 17:34:21 !lg * sk=summoning sklev>=18 s=god 17:34:21 912 games for * (sk=summoning sklev>=18): 567x Sif Muna, 120x Vehumet, 56x Ashenzari, 23x, 18x The Shining One, 16x Kikubaaqudgha, 14x Nemelex Xobeh, 14x Cheibriados, 13x Lugonu, 11x Xom, 10x Gozag, 8x Jiyva, 7x Okawaru, 7x Ru, 7x Makhleb, 5x Fedhas, 4x Zin, 4x Yredelemnul, 3x Qazlal, 3x Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Beogh 17:34:40 even just 18-20 is nearly 50% more games 17:35:38 uh, is it supposed to be possible to have two exits from the dungeon? 17:35:53 didn't it used to be possible? 17:35:58 old save? 17:36:00 yeah it did use to be 17:36:04 that sounds fixable by removing the direct damage from singularity 17:36:05 nope, new char 17:36:07 Lasty: it happens 17:36:26 !bug 9691 17:36:26 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9691 17:36:37 -!- Kolbur1 has left ##crawl-dev 17:36:50 well, as long as its reported :p 17:37:12 is it really a Major issue? 17:37:26 seems like it's more "lucky for you!" 17:37:43 "you might be able to save 2 steps!" 17:38:50 yes, i very rarely see two or more < on d:1 even though that isnt supposed to be a thing anymore 17:40:18 i think vaults are supposed to be allowed to place multiple for aesthetics (but possibly only like, one or two or maybe zero actually do so) 17:40:42 but maybe there is some bug where you can sometimes get a second stair outside the vault, i know that happened in the past 17:44:26 I've seen 3 once 17:44:32 I think it was a vault with like 2 exits in it 17:46:18 has there ever been discussion on redoing slime? due to everyone just diving to slime:6 17:46:47 johnstein: I'm not sure that's a bad state of affairs 17:46:56 isn't that the point of slime? 17:47:14 most of the monsters you fight in slime eat items so there's not really any point in leaving loot 17:47:39 sure. but why bother with 5 floors of somewhat trivial monsters? 17:48:08 I don't know if corrosion is trivial 17:48:38 1 on 1 probably 17:49:30 Vine Stalkers have fur 1 as a racial mutation. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9693 by dck 17:49:31 slime:1-5 has good xp, it's definitely worth doing (and also looks like it manages to kill a decent enough number of people) 17:49:41 I didn't know that 17:49:54 acid blobs are scary 17:49:56 mm good typo 17:50:02 just seemed like a kinda boring 5 floors 17:50:04 i like how nobody noticed this ??? 17:50:18 !lm * recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot / lg:br=$noun 17:50:18 i dunno if the xp for slime is really "good" by the time you decide to do slime 17:50:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:28 The build is still failing. (master - ecbea69 #2494 : Shmuale Mark): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/60757926 17:50:28 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:50:32 !lm * recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot s=br / lg:br=$noun 17:50:33 12594/95435 milestones for * (recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot): N=12594/95435 (13.20%) 17:50:41 !lm * recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot s=br o=% / lg:br=$noun 17:50:42 12594/95435 milestones for * (recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot): 3889/20661x Vaults [18.82%], 3094/22260x Elf [13.90%], 2745/19491x Depths [14.08%], 1402/11381x Slime [12.32%], 1120/11907x Zot [9.41%], 344/9735x Crypt [3.53%] 17:50:43 oh someone mentioned that earlier and i assumed it was fixed already for some reason 17:50:45 vine stalkers have been furry for, like, a month 17:50:50 12594/95435 milestones for * (recent br.enter=vaults|depths|crypt|elf|slime|zot): 3889/20661x Vaults [18.82%], 2745/19491x Depths [14.08%], 3094/22260x Elf [13.90%], 1402/11381x Slime [12.32%], 1120/11907x Zot [9.41%], 344/9735x Crypt [3.53%] 17:51:28