00:02:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-755-g4391640 (34) 00:05:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:05:13 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:07:13 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:09 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-755-g4391640 (34) 00:34:18 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:13 -!- Xelif has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:04 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 00:52:24 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:52:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-755-g4391640 00:53:11 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:00 help me, C++ masters 00:56:32 how can I simplify this switch statement? https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commit/34921468edcd7678ec62b3298e1abebeed65cd40#diff-28d3dcb0f7c47705cb63d9fd24beaec2R4250 00:58:18 the switch is on potion.sub_type, which is POT_HEAL_WOUNDS etc, but I can't use that variable when passing to get_potion_effect, I have to manually specify POT_HEAL_WOUNDS again 00:58:55 the error is something about mismatched types with no conversion from uint to potion_type 00:59:30 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:59:48 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:00:54 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 01:00:57 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:46 New branch created: pull/11 (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/11 01:04:47 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-747-ge53205c: Make potion petition price more variable. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e53205c8a4db 01:04:47 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-748-ga291c27: Don't offer duplicate entries for potion petition. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a291c2739589 01:04:47 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-749-g76ab6ac: Check healing for potion of curing can_use(). 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76ab6ac56ebc 01:04:47 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-750-g3492146: Discount non-useful effects for Potion Petition. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 46+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34921468edcd 01:07:45 feedback welcome ^ my pull request has some questions about C++ code & game balance 01:09:24 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:31 <|amethyst> chequers: / 01:18:36 <|amethyst> doh 01:19:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:20:45 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:31 <|amethyst> chequers: I'm not sure I understand the purpose of "don't offer duplicate entries for potion petition" 01:21:49 <|amethyst> chequers: or rather, the commit message doesn't seem to match what it actually does 01:21:56 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22:48 <|amethyst> In particular, how does it cut down on available options? 01:26:42 <|amethyst> it seems like it reduces options, since it means that none of the slates will ever have more than three potions 01:28:37 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:31:02 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:31:09 oh, maybe I'm dumb. When I read the code I thought it was doing what the commit message says 01:31:14 <|amethyst> ah 01:31:20 the whole 'crawl vector' thing is incredibly confusing to me 01:31:32 <|amethyst> the removed lines don't say "Add the same slate to the petition again", they say "add another entry from the petition list to this slate" 01:31:47 chequers: did you try `!get_potion_effect(static_cast(potion.sub_type))->can_quaff()`? ints don't auto-promote to enums, because in theory it could be out of range 01:31:51 <|amethyst> ADD_POTIONS is maybe a bad macro that should be rewritten (or just turned into a functions) 01:31:53 ah, well then! 01:32:03 I'll just get rid of that commit from the request 01:32:18 |amethyst: i had to read the ADD_POTIONS stanza a lot of times before i figured out what it does 01:32:21 <|amethyst> s/ions/ion/ 01:32:23 <|amethyst> amalloy: me too 01:32:54 it *looks* like it's choosing a random potion from some selected potion package, not choosing a random potion package 01:33:25 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:48 <|amethyst> 1. b doesn't even need to be a macro parameter, it's always _gozag_potion_list 01:34:10 the commit is removed, and I slightly modified another (pull out a constant) https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/11 01:34:32 <|amethyst> 2. _gozag_potion_list should be called _gozag_petition_list 01:34:45 |amethyst: speaking of static_cast, what is crawl's policy on c-style casts vs c++ casts? i notice that in one file we have static_cast(potion.sub_type), and in another (potion_type)potion.sub_type 01:34:58 amalloy: I didn't try that casting btw 01:35:04 <|amethyst> we don't exactly have one 01:35:14 so there are two possible casting styles? which should I use? 01:35:18 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-748-g74ad929: Check healing for potion of curing can_use(). 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74ad9291d4af 01:35:18 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-749-g1910ad9: Discount non-useful effects for Potion Petition. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 47+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1910ad9e2725 01:35:20 <|amethyst> three 01:35:27 very funny 01:35:34 i'm going back to python now 01:35:35 <|amethyst> I'd go with static_cast<>() unless it's too long 01:35:53 <|amethyst> e.g. if it makes the line wrap that probably reduces readability 01:36:22 <|amethyst> that said, I probably use C-style casts (potion_type) potion.sub_type more often 01:36:31 <|amethyst> old habits 01:36:40 <|amethyst> and static_cast is kind of wordy 01:36:45 |amethyst: fwiw (potion_type) is only used once in the codebase, and static_cast five times 01:36:48 <|amethyst> reminds me of java 01:37:05 like static_cast(potion.sub_type) or static_castpotion.sub_type 01:37:13 chequers: the first 01:37:16 parens required 01:37:18 ok 01:37:32 how strict is line wrapping? It goes to 83 01:38:01 <|amethyst> strict in that 83 is against the coding style 01:38:12 <|amethyst> not so strict in that we don't always adhere to that 01:38:28 well, should I go with 83char line, or C-style cast? 01:38:56 <|amethyst> in general the only time I would go over 80 lines is when doing so saves several lines because of our brace style rules 01:39:55 if (!get_potion_effect((potion_type)potion.sub_type)->can_quaff()) <-- like this then? 01:40:17 what's that word which means you've seen a word so much it doesn't have any meaning for you any more? 01:40:25 <|amethyst> I'd do: 01:40:25 potion 01:40:25 semantic satiation 01:40:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:37 -!- aarujn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41:27 <|amethyst> auto ptype = static_castpotion.sub_type; 01:41:39 <|amethyst> if (!get_potion_effect(ptype)->can_quaff()) 01:41:49 <|amethyst> err 01:41:52 <|amethyst> with the parentheses 01:41:55 yeah i like that 01:41:57 <|amethyst> auto ptype = static_cast(potion.sub_type); 01:42:16 <|amethyst> (normally I'd write the type, but that's silly when it's already written on the RHS) 01:42:24 thanks 01:42:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:29 -!- kober has quit [Client Quit] 01:43:35 <|amethyst> chequers: re style: 01:43:46 <|amethyst> chequers: in "Check healing for..." 01:43:59 <|amethyst> chequers: that if you added should have braces 01:44:40 <|amethyst> chequers: our rule is that if either the condition or the body is multiple physical lines, braces are required 01:45:56 ok 01:46:38 worth noting what amalloy said -- it's not really a related change here, except in the sense I'm improving gozag dynamic pricing for !curing 01:46:55 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 01:46:56 since you guys apply pull requests by hand and then just close the PR it should be fine though :) 01:47:26 <|amethyst> I think we'll have more button-clicking once we're no longer pushing to gitorious 01:50:42 <|amethyst> chequers: in _potion_effect_pricing you can avoid the duplicate code for the first three cases: 01:50:46 <|amethyst> case POT_CURING: 01:50:52 <|amethyst> case POT_HEAL_WOUNDS: 01:50:56 <|amethyst> case POT_MAGIC: 01:51:17 <|amethyst> oh 01:51:23 lol 01:51:31 yep, that's what we just did :D 01:51:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:51:41 <|amethyst> yeah, just realised that :) 01:51:45 the case statement will still exist because I want to reduce the price for merely extending duration 01:51:53 but that's for might/invis/etc 01:51:56 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:16 new secret tech: aa when your previous potion effect is wearing off 01:52:27 <|amethyst> also, is it intentional that you are calling !you.can_go_berserk() with default options? 01:52:49 <|amethyst> can_quaff passes potion = true 01:52:54 amalloy: indeed 01:52:56 <|amethyst> which makes it not check clarity 01:53:06 <|amethyst> since potions of berserk rage ignore clarity 01:53:10 |amethyst: it is, because can_quaff will cause it to print a message 01:53:15 but that's a bug you spotted 01:53:31 I think the Proper fix is to make can_quaff not print a message for berserk 01:53:49 I'll just call can_quaff for now and fix that in another commit 01:54:20 -!- Icadius_I is now known as Icadius 01:54:38 <|amethyst> well 01:54:47 <|amethyst> you could call you.can_go_berserk(true, true, true) 01:55:20 ok, i see DUR_AGILITY, what's the name for might and brilliance? 01:55:48 <|amethyst> oddly enought, DUR_MIGHT and DUR_BRILLIANCE :) 01:55:59 <|amethyst> s/ght/gh/ 01:56:07 DUR_MIGHT, DUR_BRILLIANCE. they're right next to it in enum.h 01:56:07 huh, I guess they're just not in player.cc 01:56:31 <|amethyst> because the bonuses they give are to melee and spellcasting respectively 01:56:56 <|amethyst> which are in other files, unlike stealth and evasion (and ac etc etc) 01:57:50 btw, the idea behind discounts for extending buffs is twofold, a) it's not really helping you right now, so it's less valuable, b) encouraging overspending because you generally only need one pot's worth of duration for a fight 01:57:57 that's my theory, anyway 01:58:11 <|amethyst> well 01:58:14 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:58:15 <|amethyst> it's not useless though 01:58:26 <|amethyst> so perhaps the reduction should be different 01:58:46 if it is reduced, it shouldn't be reduced as much as something that doesn't work at all, eg berserk on a Mu 01:58:53 <|amethyst> yeah 01:59:24 like in my Mu^Gozag game i was happy to extend my haste with aa while escaping zot:5 with the orb 01:59:54 yes 01:59:56 <|amethyst> also, maybe flight shouldn't get the reduction unless you have permaflight up 02:00:08 both true, and both in the commit i juuust pushed :D 02:00:18 |amethyst: why would flight be different? 02:00:19 <|amethyst> because the place where you most need flight is when it's about to expire :) 02:00:27 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:31 extending duration is halved price instead of decimated 02:00:32 <|amethyst> if you're on the ground, flight won't save your life 02:00:44 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-748-g3741974: Check healing for potion of curing can_use(). 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3741974409a7 02:00:44 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-749-g4f9c859: Discount non-useful effects for Potion Petition. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 59+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f9c85996b91 02:00:46 <|amethyst> if you're over water and already flying, it might 02:00:46 man, i hope nobody ever has to press aa when they are about to drown 02:01:13 yeah, that would be a really funny use of potion petition. I'm inclined to allow people to gamble on getting the right pots 02:01:31 <|amethyst> ??desperate 02:01:31 desperate[1/27]: potions of poison give you nutrition right? 02:01:47 only 4 of the packages include flight, so you'd have to be quite desperate to try it (eg, a quicksilver dragon just dispelled you and you have no other sources of flight) 02:01:59 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 02:01:59 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:02:07 btw, is there a way to shorten that select statement? 02:02:16 it's the same code duplicated five times 02:02:30 <|amethyst> oh 02:02:56 <|amethyst> hm, probably not, since I don't think we have a map anywhere from POT_FOO to DUR_FOO 02:03:07 <|amethyst> you don't need the { } 02:03:21 chequers: you mean switch, not select, right? 02:03:27 it's multiline though? 02:03:30 <|amethyst> pascal programmer :) 02:03:35 ahem, bash > C 02:03:46 chequers: switch/case has weird syntax 02:03:47 <|amethyst> chequers: case: isn't like if while etc 02:04:04 oh yeah, i learnt about fall through today 02:04:10 <|amethyst> and having the braces is kind of misleading about fall-through 02:04:11 man that is crazy 02:04:18 oh yeah? ok, i'll strip them 02:04:32 <|amethyst> the only time I would use braces there is when I was declaring a local variable in one of the cases 02:05:06 <|amethyst> because you can't have variable declarations in the middle of a switch at top-level 02:05:09 btw chequers, change switch (potion.sub_type) to switch (ptype) 02:05:14 since you already have the local handy 02:05:15 <|amethyst> also because of the weird way case works 02:05:17 yes 02:05:22 <|amethyst> just think of it as a computed goto :) 02:05:36 doesn't make me fell any better 02:05:37 <|amethyst> because that's how the semantics are defined 02:05:40 *feel 02:06:14 <|amethyst> also, with flight 02:06:17 pushed 02:06:21 <|amethyst> you are missing a few other useless cases 02:06:37 <|amethyst> oh 02:06:41 oh yeah? 02:06:45 <|amethyst> you check can_quaff further up, never mind 02:07:30 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about stacking the divisors, but in practice I guess that doesn't matter much 02:07:49 <|amethyst> means potion of flight is cheaper for a mummy with boots of flying active than for other mummies 02:08:00 decimating is pretty brutal, given the potion base price 02:08:00 is there a reason potion petition works for mummies, who can't use potions at all , but doesn't work for VS, who can't be healed by potions? it seems like this "potion-like effect" could reasonably bypass racial restrictions 02:08:09 not related to this PR of course 02:08:38 I can see the technical reason why, but I'd support changing it to work for VS/DD 02:08:43 <|amethyst> I'm sure some of it is just implementation detail 02:08:49 well, it does work for DD already 02:08:50 <|amethyst> DD? 02:10:33 <|amethyst> I kind of think PotionEffect::can_quaff should take arguments (bool quiet, bool real_potion) 02:10:46 <|amethyst> at the very least bool quiet 02:10:54 03chequers02 07[pull/11] * 0.17-a0-749-g020053e: Discount non-useful effects for Potion Petition. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 47+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/020053e909f7 02:11:12 <|amethyst> but you'd need real_potion if you wanted to make PP !hw work for vine stalker 02:12:01 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:16 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:36 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:13:07 what is this DUR_QUAD_DAMAGE malarkey i see every so often? 02:14:14 gotta run off, back later 02:14:25 <|amethyst> my flavour justification for status quo: 02:15:23 <|amethyst> Gozag delivers you actual potions, which e injects directly into what passes for your bloodstream---so mummies get the effects as well as ghouls or gargoyles do. They can't quaff potions normally because they have no mouth, only an air bladder. 02:15:39 <|amethyst> but that doesn't work for VS because they're just immune to potions of hw 02:16:54 <|amethyst> amalloy: it's from a misc item that only appears in a couple of sprints 02:17:15 <|amethyst> ??doom checklist 02:17:15 doom checklist[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e473d029e917 02:17:16 amalloy: it's in sprint 02:17:17 ah, so it's a real thing that's still current, but doesn't apply to "real crawl" 02:17:27 <|amethyst> at one point I think you could acquire them 02:17:50 <|amethyst> %git fa8b5672 02:17:50 07elliptic02 * 0.9-a1-767-gfa8b567: Disable quad damage generation outside of Sprint again. 10(3 years, 10 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa8b5672afa5 02:17:57 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 02:18:23 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:18:34 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:20:11 "You become transparent, but the glow from !!!QUAD DAMAGE!!! prevents you from becoming completely invisible." 02:23:21 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-755-g4391640 (34) 02:29:04 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:30:25 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:32:34 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:22 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:43:35 would someone commit my panlord resist reform or tell me why not? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/4 02:43:54 (i know some devs didn't like the Sinv change, but never got feedback for the rf/rc part) 02:44:16 and my crazy yiuf hammer improvement was met with disinterest but not dislike 02:45:12 chequers: x ? false : true is a gross antipattern: just write !x 02:45:19 re panlords 02:45:34 or use x_change_in_y(4, 5) 02:46:19 -!- Orfax has quit [] 02:46:33 MR_RES_FIRE * 2 looks very strange to me, since it's a bitfield; i'd use MR_RES_FIRE << 1 02:46:53 <|amethyst> err 02:47:03 <|amethyst> MR_RES_FIRE * 2 means rF++ 02:47:10 <|amethyst> I think that's much more clear than << 1 02:47:25 <|amethyst> and you wouldn't be able to represent rF+++ using << anyway 02:47:45 <|amethyst> but it should use the mrd macro 02:47:53 <|amethyst> mrd(MR_RES_FIRE, 2) 02:47:57 <|amethyst> instead of * 02:48:18 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50:44 <|amethyst> it seems like a nerf to panlords on average 02:50:58 <|amethyst> since double resistance is significantly less common 02:51:03 i also think it'd be nice to lift out the entire switch statement to a function that you call like: resists |= random_resists(MR_VUL_FIRE, MR_RES_FIRE, MR_RES_FIRE * 2); 02:51:07 <|amethyst> (but then there's the rC thing which is just weird) 02:51:17 so that you don't have to repeat the 10-part case 02:51:38 <|amethyst> you'd one need one parameter 02:51:44 <|amethyst> since you can get MR_VUL_FIRE as mrd(MR_REF_FIRE, -1) 02:51:52 <|amethyst> s/REF/RES/ 02:51:52 even better 02:52:21 <|amethyst> I might use random_choose_weighted instead of the case 02:52:38 <|amethyst> s/case/switch/ 02:53:02 ah, i didn't know that exists. that's much better 02:54:07 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:36 -!- tgcid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:44 <|amethyst> (not something I'd merge myself without balance feedback anyway... 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Use !messages to read it. 08:38:07 wheals: OK, I'll let floatrand know. 08:38:09 !messages 08:38:10 (1/1) |amethyst said (20h 53m 16s ago): mostly I think parrow feels less special if it's just an increased chance of poisoning, rather than being able to poison things you otherwise couldn't 08:39:36 hooray 08:39:50 one step away from bcrawl! 08:41:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:32 -!- Spatz has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:47:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:48:44 -!- sylnt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:52:21 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:11:51 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:22:18 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:31:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:12 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:40:10 -!- Warrigal is now known as tswett 09:45:47 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:49:22 !tell gammafunk at last, a use for the qbert tile https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?t=15922 09:49:22 wheals: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 09:51:30 n gameplay terms, the idea is to create a god of poison that could fill several roles: given poison magic a reason to exist after lair 09:51:38 aaaand that's all i needed to know 09:54:51 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55:28 -!- iafm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:57:31 okay, fuck this. CLAN has more disk issues 09:57:38 I'm going to go ahead and order a new server right now 09:57:51 I need recommendations for host providers, anyone? 09:57:51 where are you hosted? 09:57:56 Hetzner 09:58:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-756-g159ac62: Fix the speed brand (amalloy). 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/159ac620999a 09:58:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-757-gf0ac9f8: Make Ash skill boost and fencer's gloves (and Heroism) stack (#9666). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0ac9f8d5d67 09:58:22 I use RamNode but I don't know how it compares to others 09:58:22 Hmm 09:58:26 don't know if thy have a EU server though 09:58:38 an EU 09:58:46 kvaak: what server was your mummy on 09:58:51 cdo 09:58:52 how so 09:59:06 damn, then i can't rebuild it 09:59:56 i can bug Grunt or |amethyst though 09:59:59 no problem, i'm not in a hurry 10:00:21 !tell |amethyst can you give me recommended server specs? 10:00:22 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:00:39 -!- cojito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:29 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:10:52 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:52 god dammit 10:16:08 |amethyst: maybe i should revert demons being poisoned normally after all, bcadren suggested it :( 10:17:10 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:01 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:17 * Grunt bugs wwwhhheeeaaalllsss. 10:19:42 wheals: cdo needs a rebuild? 10:20:05 "needs" 10:20:09 wants? 10:20:14 yeah :) 10:20:54 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-757-gf0ac9f8 (34) 10:21:14 kvaak: there it goes, if you want to go on now 10:21:17 yay 10:25:16 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:38 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:33:02 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:46 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:35:53 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:25 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:37:03 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:37:49 -!- oblong has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:42:43 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:47:05 -!- shnurf is now known as shnurlf 10:48:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:43 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:51:40 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52:08 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:06 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 11:02:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05:26 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:34 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:36 -!- MIC132 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:18:46 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:15 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:44 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 11:20:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:26:38 hm 11:27:07 i merging FL_FLIGHT and FL_LEVITATE, and i'm not sure what to do with the "wing part" mechanic of chimeras 11:27:16 s/i m/i'm m/ 11:29:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:02 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:29:05 actually it shouldn't be too hard to leave it mostly intact, it just seems like a weird mechanic anyway 11:29:21 <|amethyst> which way are you merging them? 11:29:22 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:30:05 into FL_FLIGHT, but AFAICT there are no gameplay differences now 11:30:18 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:36 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 probably RAM and disk space are the most important. CSZO gets by fine with 8 GB of RAM, but with 500 GB of disk I have to move old ttyrecs to snark's server every year or two 11:30:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 11:30:56 2 11:31:01 so basically what that means is that it says "It can fly." for fire vortices which doesn't seem that weird to me 11:31:17 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:31:19 <|amethyst> wheals: mons_airborne appears to care 11:31:41 <|amethyst> wheals: and monster_info::airborne but that probably doesn't matter as much 11:31:59 i checked that out, it's used for pathfinding and monster gen 11:32:11 pathfinding obviously doesn't matter in para/petr 11:32:30 and nothing i found passed paralysed=true into mons_habitable_grid 11:33:15 actually, i guess it does matter for monster_habitable_grid(monster*) 11:33:19 <|amethyst> err 11:33:30 <|amethyst> the two-arg monster_habitable_grid does pass it 11:33:32 need to check if that has any effects 11:33:33 yeah 11:34:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:35:00 <|amethyst> probably affects teleporting paralysed monsters 11:35:25 <|amethyst> but since AFAIK they don't actually drown when paralysed that isn't needed 11:36:05 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:43:44 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:28 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:48:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:57:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:01:51 -!- Finerminer has quit [Client Quit] 12:05:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-757-gf0ac9f8 (34) 12:06:13 |amethyst: CPU? 12:06:13 TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:06:15 !messages 12:06:16 (1/1) |amethyst said (35m 39s ago): probably RAM and disk space are the most important. CSZO gets by fine with 8 GB of RAM, but with 500 GB of disk I have to move old ttyrecs to snark's server every year or two 12:07:24 -!- Athaboros has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:04 <|amethyst> TZer0: I have a four core (plus hyperthreading) Xeon E31230 which seems to be plenty 12:09:13 <|amethyst> CPU isn't really a big issue 12:13:59 -!- Spatzist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:16:36 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:58 -!- CacoS has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:21:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:21:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:36 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:23:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:57 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:39 wheals: flight vs levitation makes a difference for knocking things back with fan of gales, if they are paralysed/petrified/webbed/netted! 12:38:39 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:38:56 haha 12:39:04 -!- Limulus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:39:12 maybe with drac breath too 12:40:33 i think there are actually various other things that are affected, since monster::ground_level() looks at airborne() 12:40:39 -!- Fusha has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:51 well, imo they're all bugs :P 12:41:00 but merging those has been on my todo list for ages so i'm glad someone else is doing it instead, yeah :P 12:41:11 MarvinPA: I'm not sure how fatal deterioration 2 or 3 would become; I kind of think that at least the third level might just converge on "you'll never have alls stats > 0 for a significant length of time" 12:41:28 assuming no other sources of stat restoration 12:41:49 hmm, possibly deterioration could be reduced to just a 1 or 2 level mutation? 12:41:55 yeah maybe 12:42:52 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:05 I should try a mi at the start of depths with the mutation, and see what it looks like by the end 12:47:19 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:49:50 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:50:31 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:20 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:03 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:03:42 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:04:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:06:09 .moon -tv:channel=moon:>$ 13:06:10 19. phoenixzeus, XL19 MiFi, T:41810 (milestone) requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:07:17 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:07:17 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 13:08:58 gammafunk: the vamp axe... 13:09:14 a good, trusty, vamp axe 13:09:32 dang, those muts 13:09:45 heh 13:09:46 good armour 13:09:46 blurry 3 13:09:57 what is... 13:10:02 why doesn't he just upheavel it 13:10:06 hahah 13:10:10 pressing aa is hard 13:10:10 hahahahahaha 13:10:13 he's like...NOPE 13:10:21 also wow he makes my buttongmashing look slow 13:10:31 butt tong is fine too 13:10:43 funny thing is there's a likely cure mut pot where that caco came from 13:10:51 :) 13:10:56 this is why new players think that rmut is essential 13:11:14 .moon lg:br=wizlab 13:11:15 1. [2015-04-09 19:22:52] Crut the Scorcher (L22 HuFE of Vehumet) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 77846. (Vaults:4) 13:11:19 poor ratio 13:11:38 I'm just happy that the literal first player died there and to the moon troll 13:11:42 put the exit behind the moon troll 13:11:46 that ought to fix it 13:11:47 is anything else going to happen in the tv 13:11:52 no 13:11:53 ok 13:11:57 .moon -tv:channel=moon:>$:cancel 13:11:58 19. phoenixzeus, XL19 MiFi, T:41810 (milestone) cancel requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:12:04 .moon -game 13:12:05 !lm phoenixzeus mifi alive 13:12:05 phoenixzeus, XL19 MiFi, T:41810 (milestone) has no matching game 13:12:05 47. [2015-04-22 10:22:32] phoenixzeus the Executioner (L20 MiFi of Qazlal) entered the Vaults on turn 45679. (D:14) 13:12:06 !tv * kmap~~pf_ ikiller~~demonspawn 13:12:07 9. Archers, XL11 FeFi, T:17773 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:12:15 er 13:12:17 oh god, xl 11 fefi 13:12:23 rip cwz 13:12:25 !tv * kmap~~pf_ ikiller~~demonspawn src!=cwz 13:12:25 7. leadfoot, XL13 MiBe, T:5918 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:12:29 er 13:12:29 not rip 13:12:30 fefifefifefi 13:12:32 um 13:12:36 whatever 13:12:44 did anyone else see that tv 13:12:46 !tv * kmap~~pf_ ikiller~~demonspawn src!=cwz 13:12:47 7. leadfoot, XL13 MiBe, T:5918 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:12:56 I see it 13:13:01 what's wrong with the walls 13:13:04 ok the first time I ran it it just immediately stopped 13:13:05 nice glyphs 13:13:22 corr -12 13:13:26 wow 13:13:28 rip 13:13:28 good katana 13:13:36 !tv * kmap~~pf_ ikiller~~demonspawn src!=cwz -2 13:13:37 6/7. omnirizon, XL12 GhGl, T:6851 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:13:44 ghgl is just fun to say. 13:13:49 wow 13:13:57 !lm phoenixzeus mifi 13:13:58 86. [2015-04-22 10:22:32] phoenixzeus the Executioner (L20 MiFi of Qazlal) entered the Vaults on turn 45679. (D:14) 13:14:01 !lm phoenixzeus mifi alive 13:14:01 47. [2015-04-22 10:22:32] phoenixzeus the Executioner (L20 MiFi of Qazlal) entered the Vaults on turn 45679. (D:14) 13:14:11 ok, got confused I guess 13:14:16 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:14:21 -1 int? 13:14:23 I want everyone to admire this ghoul 13:14:33 being smart is dumb 13:14:33 do we...allow negative stats 13:14:38 yes 13:14:39 apparently? 13:14:40 huh 13:14:46 marvinpa buffed negative stats a bunch recently 13:14:48 ??objstat 13:14:48 objstat[1/4]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a full debug console build of crawl ("make debug") to generate item/monster statistics by level/branch; see crawl -help for details 13:14:49 why did you think stat drain below 0 doing damage was a thing 13:14:51 ??objstat[2 13:14:51 now they're the new meta 13:14:52 objstat[2/4]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing 13:14:54 "min-maxing" 13:14:57 kvaak: mpa removed that!!! 13:15:04 wheals: that wasn't a statistics joke 13:15:05 hence 'was' 13:15:14 hmph. ambiguous 13:15:23 help, how do i do this 13:15:24 anyway I'm not gonna watch anymore, that guy was perfect 13:15:29 do what? 13:15:33 !log * kmap~~pf_ ikiller~~demonspawn src!=cwz -2 13:15:33 6/7. omnirizon, XL12 GhGl, T:6851: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/omnirizon/morgue-omnirizon-20150323-055827.txt 13:15:37 open a spreadsheet? 13:15:47 oh, haha 13:15:49 winxp 13:15:53 ...he was wearing chain mail of -4 int 13:15:57 ah, google was just being ornery 13:16:11 !gamesby omnirizon 13:16:12 omnirizon has played 1911 games, between 2011-08-17 02:18:49 and 2015-04-21 19:57:20, won 3 (0.2%), high score 20623103, total score 75357794, total turns 10412055, play-time/day 1:12:27, total time 67d+15:08:23. 13:16:21 but I'll rerun them for 0.16.1 once I finish with objstat reform 13:16:35 with objstat reform they can be google sheets again 13:17:29 and that means we're ready for DCSS 1.0 13:18:32 can i choose a non-100 # of iterations 13:18:38 -iters N 13:18:40 gammafunk: ship it 13:18:42 on the command line 13:18:42 also, hm 13:18:44 !seen doy 13:18:44 I last saw doy at Mon Apr 20 03:59:19 2015 UTC (2d 14h 19m 25s ago) saying 'yeah, i would be sad if wandering mushrooms were removed' on ##crawl-dev. 13:18:50 good last words 13:18:53 command line?? what kind of NERDS use that 13:18:55 yeah 13:19:28 !lg * br=orc ikiller~~demonspawn 13:19:29 9. Archers the Spry (L11 FeFi of Jiyva), mangled by an infernal demonspawn (a +0 trident) on Orc:4 (pf_orc_diabolical) on 2015-04-21 08:42:20, with 12047 points after 17773 turns and 1:12:42. 13:19:32 !lg * br=orc ikiller~~demonspawn s=ikiller 13:19:33 9 games for * (br=orc ikiller~~demonspawn): 7x an infernal demonspawn, a gelid demonspawn, a torturous demonspawn 13:19:39 apparently shoals:1 is generating 0 moon trolls 13:19:54 that's part of objstat reform 13:20:00 don't print things that don't exist 13:20:05 ??infernal_demonspawn 13:20:06 I don't have a page labeled infernal_demonspawn in my learndb. 13:20:10 ??demonspawn 13:20:10 demonspawn[1/4]: A race that is pretty average, but gets 5 semi-random good mutations. Has a 1/10 chance of being {monstrous}. Demonspawn mutations are irrevocable and unalterable, and drawn from a special list. 13:20:14 ??demonspawn[2 13:20:14 ds mutation rules[1/5]: Assuming you aren't monstrous, you get five facets, each consisting of three mutations (which usually just stack together). You will get one scales-type facet, one body-slot facet, two tier 2 facets, and one tier 3 facet. 13:20:16 ??demonspawn[3 13:20:17 demonspawn[3/4]: Demonspawn enemies live in Pan. There are five bases of mutation clumpings and god-based classes, akin to draconians. Monstrous Ds have auxes and high health, gelid Ds have rC++ and 10 ac until hit with fire once, infernal Ds have rF++ and af_fire, putrid Ds heal from any ally deaths in LOS, torturous Ds have spines, augmentation, PbP. 13:20:25 ah, af_fire 13:20:42 ??PbP 13:20:42 powered by pain[1/2]: Taking damage sometimes restores MP (50%), or gives agility (25%) or might (25%). Tier 2 Ds mutation. 13:21:06 @??infernal_demonspawn 13:21:06 infernal demonspawn (056) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-66 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 2004(fire:10-19) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 713 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:21:07 interesting, monster aug 13:22:24 monster aug, at the height of the Demonic Summer 13:22:27 elliptic: qw got broken by rot changes btw 13:23:04 !lm elliptic 13:23:05 43396. [2015-04-22 18:04:02] elliptic the Severer (L13 DDSu of Trog) killed Harold on turn 18503. (Lair:8) 13:23:11 also your next prefs are broken 13:23:19 ??~elliptic pref 13:23:19 ~elliptic pref[1/1]: !fo-- !ko-- !--su !--CK !Na-- !VS-- ((crace=Vp||cls=AM|IE)) !--hu !mf-- 13:23:21 to say nothing of your god-class combinations! 13:23:29 ??~elliptic next 13:23:30 ~elliptic next[1/1]: GhAM 13:23:36 good choice 13:23:40 yes 13:23:41 !next 13:23:42 The RNG decrees that simmarine shall win GhAM next. 13:23:49 ! 13:23:57 !next 13:23:58 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win "the HE species score with HESu" next. 13:24:02 !commit Bring back splint mail 13:24:02 03wheals * 0.17-a0-999-gef7b234: Bring back splint mail 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef7b234 13:24:18 it feels like the right time 13:24:35 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-758-gcaca6cf: Merge levitation and flight. 10(62 minutes ago, 43 files, 812+ 917-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/caca6cf87427 13:24:35 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-759-g0ef6a74: Refactor and comment monster_habitable_grid. 10(15 minutes ago, 4 files, 34+ 43-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ef6a7434f9c 13:32:07 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 13:32:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 13:33:35 <|amethyst> FR: skeletons wearing splint mail are able to heal HP 13:35:29 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:29 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 13:42:19 speaking of armour 13:42:34 is there going to be a point where the different "mail" armours are properly renamed, like plate armour was? 13:43:27 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 13:43:38 HLA (L27 MuAs) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. (Tomb:1) 13:45:44 Do you have a set of alternate names in mind? 13:45:58 current mails are ring, scale, chain, I think 13:46:20 of which only scale seems 'wrong', according to some cursory googling 13:46:29 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-760-g4c4e335: Remove the constant term in Gozag's fee. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c4e3350c92b 13:46:31 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:46:31 (ring 'mail' barely existed but it's the right name!) 13:46:35 they're pretty much all wrong 13:46:49 well, except chainmail, although you could say it's redundant 13:46:58 "mail" referred exclusively to the chain type 13:47:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:47:53 e.g. ring armour ("ring mail") wasn't mail, it was rings sewn onto a backing... if it existed, but that's another matter 13:48:20 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:49:13 there were certainly types of armor that happened to incorporate mail as well as other stuff, but then you're getting into fairly specific things like lorica plumata 13:51:42 basically the victorians were idiots and misclassified/made up a bunch of armor types :P 13:51:53 but yeah, if it's not made out of a mesh of little interlocking rings then it's not mail 13:51:56 are you sure you aren't talking about D&D 13:52:24 how do you mean? 13:52:30 I have no idea what armor types are called in D&D 13:53:08 the making up armor types part 13:55:50 -!- sleevener has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:57 yeah I wouldn't say that any of the mundane ones in crawl are totally made-up or anything 13:57:01 except maybe ring mail, but nobody knows 13:57:08 more that they're just misnamed 13:58:08 [11:45] PleasingFungus Do you have a set of alternate names in mind? 13:58:12 splint armour existed but mostly just for limbs 13:58:17 PleasingFungus: s/mail/armour 13:58:32 armour armour 13:58:45 "ring armour" and "scale armour" sound worse to me but that might just be familiarity with the current setup 13:58:57 they probably sound worse because most things don't call them that 13:58:59 because most things are wrong 13:59:00 fwiw I don't think accuracy is any kind of concern 13:59:02 imo this is even worse than sword realism 13:59:05 given, yes 13:59:07 double armour and triple armour, please 13:59:07 ^ 13:59:11 haha 13:59:16 MarvinPA: imo green armour and blue armour 13:59:23 gotta fill up that doom checklist... 13:59:26 yess 13:59:28 sort of reminds me of the triple executioner's axe of reaching holy wrath 13:59:48 it's more like just using the right word for something when the current word is pretty unequivocally wrong and there's an obvious correct alternative 13:59:57 it's not a big deal, just... shouldn't be a big deal to change either 14:00:06 I mean, it was done for plate armour, just for some reason not the other ones 14:00:12 kvaak: wielded by a skeletal alligator snapping turtle mimic? 14:00:24 that's because back then there was a dev who cared about armour realism, probably 14:00:51 I mean I wouldn't care about wacky fake armors being called wacky fake things 14:01:00 only if it gets spectral too when resurrected by a lost soul 14:01:13 also it's a triple executioner's /demon/ axe, tyvm 14:01:29 executioners ARE demons 14:01:48 good point 14:01:59 who executes the executioners 14:02:25 but yeah I'm making more of a "why not" proposal, since the current terms are pretty much straight-up wrong with reference to what the items are, and there's a clear and easy replacement 14:02:44 find someone who cares enough to do a mass find-replace and bob's your uncle 14:02:47 the "why not" is: it takes some positive amount of effort 14:02:53