00:02:49 -!- driftwood has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:03:51 <|amethyst> I don't know, someone who's used to playing gargoyle and switches to naga might reasonably be confused that A. they can be poisoned B. they take twice as much poison impact damage 00:04:30 <|amethyst> probably the simplest solution is to just make them immune 00:04:49 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04:53 <|amethyst> as you implied, if it's not a problem for negative energy, it's probably not a problem for poison 00:04:54 I meant remove the extra damage resistance too, but yes, immune sounds better in every way 00:05:25 the only potential abuse I can think of is wamp dragons and they're already basically immune to those 00:06:13 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 00:10:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-649-g87edefa (34) 00:10:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:13:44 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:16:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-650-ge239088: Make poison-immune players actually so (minmay) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e239088b6c33 00:18:10 tyvm 00:18:23 not really sure I deserve credit for that though :P 00:19:10 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-649-g87edefa (34) 00:20:20 -!- Icadius has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:39 no he was referring to mummy players 00:27:43 and was giving you as an example 00:28:42 !vault minmay_temple_entry_grid 00:28:42 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des#l589 00:28:55 how did I miss that 00:29:28 what about it 00:30:33 I missed it on d:5 00:30:40 yet it's a pretty noticable one 00:30:50 oh 00:30:58 I was worried it was a swastika or something 00:31:16 <|amethyst> Napkin: what is necessary for the email hooks to run again? just crawl-ref/git-hooks/crawl-ref-email or does it need git-hooks/post-receive too? 00:31:18 you could probably make it so with some indecipherable hangedman SUBST 00:32:10 |amethyst: I guess, to your earlier question, in-use git-hooks for admin purposes can stay there, and we can leave the examples in docs? 00:32:26 <|amethyst> that was my thought 00:32:28 maybe a readme saying what the git-hooks dir is for? 00:32:41 or I guess just in the hooks 00:32:57 <|amethyst> I was going to add a readme, yeah 00:33:01 cool 00:33:56 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:39:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-651-g07dd1c5: Re-add git-hooks/crawl-ref-email. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 733+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07dd1c5c6411 00:43:50 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:20 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:43 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:47:35 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:19 <|amethyst> never noticed... on the "praise for Sil" page, one of the bits of praise is "The design philosophy is much like Crawl's, where everything has a purpose and nothing is wasted." 00:49:07 <|amethyst> I think Sil might beat crawl in that respect, and I only say "might" because I haven't played it yet 00:49:31 <|amethyst> speaking of which, any advice on which I should play next: brogue or sil ? 00:50:26 -!- vale__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:36 play sil 00:50:54 (though i did play some brogue today for the first time in over a year) 00:51:16 was it updated? 00:51:23 <|amethyst> (also, someone should make a top-down ASCII version of Moraff's World) 00:51:35 chequers: neither were updated 00:51:39 aw 00:51:51 its been a while for brogue huh 00:51:53 <|amethyst> (purely for nostalgia, I'm sure it's nowhere near as fun as I remember it being) 00:52:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-651-g07dd1c5 00:55:01 !lg numlockpick 00:55:02 321. numlockpick the Sneak (L5 OpMo), slain by a giant frog skeleton on D:4 on 2015-02-27 18:01:20, with 169 points after 3480 turns and 0:05:33. 00:56:00 <|amethyst> anything else I should try? I've played: Rogue, Nethack, Castle of the Winds, ZAngband, Crawl, DoomRL, HyperRogue 00:56:06 <|amethyst> and I suck at all of them 00:56:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:56:54 brogue? 00:56:59 |amethyst: how roguelikey does it have to be 00:57:28 <|amethyst> minmay: right, I just asked which of sil and brogue I should try first, and then decided I should take other suggestions 00:57:35 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: maybe more so than binding of isaac 00:57:56 <|amethyst> at the very least, turn-based 00:58:02 <|amethyst> and procedural 00:58:06 I'd say tome4, but... 00:58:27 crypt of the necrodancer 00:58:56 <|amethyst> difficulty: no steam 00:59:07 ah 00:59:21 <|amethyst> though I would like to try that out at some point 00:59:37 <|amethyst> CotND, not Steam :P 01:00:00 |amethyst: Super Mario Bros. 3? 01:00:05 it's a classic 01:00:18 <|amethyst> I've beaten that one 01:00:23 oh ok 01:00:29 <|amethyst> unlike most roguelikes I've played :) 01:00:31 |amethyst: what, don't you like having your entire home directory deleted? 01:00:52 I guess I don't have to recommend FF4 01:00:56 have you playef FF1? 01:01:05 <|amethyst> minmay: ah, you see, the sony rootkit won't let them do that 01:01:10 i hear radiant historia is good 01:01:24 sadly most of the "roguelikes" i like are very very far from the center 01:01:36 I know I'd like sil if I played it, but I haven't brought myself to do it yet 01:01:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes, beaten both, but 5 is my favourite 01:01:40 |amethyst: ending 01:01:53 huh, I heard that 5 was kind of predictable 01:01:53 it's my favourite mobile roguelike 01:02:00 http://www.pentadact.com/2013-06-30-ending-an-interesting-roguelite-puzzle-game-with-extraordinary-sound-design/ 01:02:14 I mean those aren't very good games anyhow, it's more for the "JRPG experience" 01:02:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: actually, I guess if we're generalising to Square games, chrono trigger is my favourite 01:02:41 oh right: hydra slayer 01:02:50 yeah, that's a great example of the genre 01:02:57 <|amethyst> minmay: that's by the hyperrogue guy, right? 01:03:07 I forget, but it's cool 01:03:17 Darkest Dungeon is also interesting, a bit like FTL on Hard 01:03:22 not really roguelikey though 01:03:23 (and purely turn-based) 01:03:30 I think nethack ruined the chance of me ever playing ADOM 01:03:42 |amethyst: spelunky, if you haven't tried it 01:03:49 he said turn based! 01:03:50 I played a lot of that 01:03:54 I was going to recommend that if not! 01:03:59 spelunky is turn-based 01:04:02 you get a turn every 30th of a second 01:04:06 Well I broke the mold I guess 01:04:10 * chequers nods 01:04:24 <|amethyst> minmay: ah, that's why gammafunk was suggesting SMB3 01:04:28 rogue legacy is also fun but the metagame element would probably cause |amethyst to literally melt 01:04:57 <|amethyst> chequers: you mean keeping stuff across games? 01:05:09 yes 01:05:40 (the barely-a-roguelike thing i was going to suggest is nuclear throne) 01:07:34 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: I still haven't played Toejam and Earl :) 01:07:47 <|amethyst> and my action reflexes aren't that great :) 01:08:10 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:20 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:11 <|amethyst> I want to try 868-HACK, but 1. Steam 2. even then, it's not on Linux 01:10:24 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:29 -!- rchandra is now known as rchandra1 01:10:39 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:10:40 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 01:11:26 <|amethyst> instead I have to make do with this: http://www.draknek.org/games/puzzlescript/8.68-HACK.php 01:11:43 why no steam? just general anti-social-network feelings? 01:12:40 <|amethyst> mostly that :) 01:13:05 <|amethyst> I might get a steam account at some point, but it will take a lot more to convince me than just one game 01:13:10 <|amethyst> or three or four :P 01:13:59 <|amethyst> also, not a big fan of running proprietary corporate software on my home computer 01:14:34 <|amethyst> I can handle the occasional closed-source game, but a whole software distribution network... 01:14:55 such a greybeard 01:15:15 <|amethyst> Join us now and share the software 01:15:20 <|amethyst> You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free 01:16:39 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:14 -!- aarujn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:22 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:33 -!- anubiann00b has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:24:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:52 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 01:30:53 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:34:58 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:35:00 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:36:31 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:37 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:44:02 -!- murphy_slaw has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:54:58 -!- murphy_slaw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:56:05 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:59:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:31 does any player care about silver? 02:06:44 I mean, Ds gets hurt more, but does any player find enough to care about using it? 02:06:48 who cares about players 02:06:56 they suck 02:06:56 true 02:07:04 I'll submit a patch to remove players 02:07:23 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:09:19 I've heard a couple people say they work nice against OOFs but I haven't tested 02:10:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:10:17 yes, silver works nice against the things it works on 02:10:51 the obvious solution is to automatically use the best ammo against all enemies 02:10:59 "Best" 02:11:17 with a quick toggle from branded to non-branded 02:11:33 that sounds simple enough :) 02:18:29 or remove ammo 02:20:09 ^^ 02:22:45 -!- filthy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:06 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-651-g07dd1c5 (34) 02:23:39 -!- filthyDubstepDro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:32:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:38:06 crypt of the necrodancer is great 02:38:10 highly recommended 02:43:47 LEEIII (L5 SpEn) ASSERT(load_mode != LOAD_VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1346 failed. (D:4) 02:49:24 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50:36 weird 02:50:41 hammers can only get protection brand 02:51:17 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:52:53 -!- Siveran has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:53:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:12 can't figure out why 02:55:45 "does it matter?" 02:56:07 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:56:09 yes, because 02:57:14 New branch created: pull/6 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/6 02:57:14 03chequers02 07[pull/6] * 0.17-a0-652-ge2c280a: Surely Yiuf has collected some decent hammers. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2c280aa8883 02:58:20 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:34 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 03:06:13 ive gotten other brands on hammers 03:06:24 so that is strange 03:10:51 I've gotten art hammers from Yiuf 03:14:40 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:15:00 well artis can have brands that the basetype doesnt normally spawn with 03:15:17 so if there was a bug with protection hammer i assume it wouldnt apply to artifact ones 03:16:07 there is usually an arti one in the one vault that has like 24 of them 03:17:19 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:25:58 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:44 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:39:23 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:40:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:47:42 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 03:54:54 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:16 !lg * recent kaux~~hammer_of s=kaux 03:56:17 10 games for * (recent kaux~~hammer_of): 2x a +2 hammer of protection, a +0 hammer of crushing, a +3 hammer of flaming, a +0 hammer of holy wrath, a +1 hammer of holy wrath, the +5 hammer of Tension {elec, -Tele +Inv rF+ Str+5 Dex+2}, the cursed -1 hammer of Law {crush, rPois rN+ Stlth-}, a +4 hammer of protection, a +0 hammer of flaming 03:56:39 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:57:46 toenail volcano spawns flaming hammers 04:02:04 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 04:03:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:25 -!- fander has quit [Client Quit] 04:06:07 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:14 http://i.imgur.com/FfGSI2z.png 04:20:29 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 04:20:48 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:58 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:36:25 -!- rophy123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:01 -!- driftwood has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:47:26 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:51:53 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:16:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:18 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:24:54 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:25:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:25:37 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:28:19 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:28:55 -!- grisha5 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:45:08 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:15 03dpeg02 07* 0.17-a0-652-gbf8946b: Dissolution vault (spacejung). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf8946be16cb 05:45:18 Can you guys tell me if my commit made it through? 05:45:18 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:45:21 aha! 05:45:35 Thanks Chei, you're the best! 05:45:54 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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07:53:18 i don't think anybody's used the MSVC project files in years 07:53:31 so it's not surprising they're out of date :( 07:54:01 mumra used to but I don't know if he has any advice, he wasn't around when we switched to SDL2 07:54:25 Well I use visual studio for the IDE and how simple it is 07:54:50 I'm the "Hacker" guy that knows little about code and just modifies it to my needs 07:55:15 you could probably use the editor/IDE and compile/get the code from git on the command line, if that isn't too annoying 07:55:22 !source INSTALL.txt 07:55:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/contrib/sdl2/INSTALL.txt 07:55:26 heh 07:55:34 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt has instructions 07:55:54 hi 07:56:27 Well i cloned it using Visual Studio's git system 07:56:34 and updated submodules 07:56:34 hm, there is a guide for MSVC in there 07:56:49 yeah u can still command line build using msysgit which is probably easier 07:56:49 read that and got stuck at building the contribs 07:56:55 no idea about the sdl2 change 07:57:21 possibly you can check out https://github.com/crawl/crawl-sdl2/blob/master/VisualC.html ? 07:57:29 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:32 what about nuGet Packages 07:57:45 it's probably possible to get it working using the precompiled binaries from here: http://www.libsdl.org/tmp/SDL/VisualC.html 07:57:51 i don't know how well that would interface with the current solution, since i don't know much about it 07:58:10 but ... much easier to use the build path that everyone generally uses which is msysgit 07:58:31 msysgit? 07:58:36 unless you have a specific reason why you really really need to build in msvc 07:59:02 yeah, msysgit gives you a bash-like terminal in windows 07:59:12 I have msysgit 07:59:13 it's how i normally build 07:59:24 ok in that case you can just run make 07:59:33 it's all in the INSTALL.txt 07:59:40 Couldn't i edit the source in visual studio and build with make 07:59:43 yes 07:59:48 that's what wheals suggested 08:00:06 you can edit the source in notepad or microsoft word if you like 08:00:16 you do also need to follow the instructions in the "Upgrading GCC with Win-builds:" section 08:00:18 doesn't make any difference to how you build it ;) 08:00:28 the only advantage of actually building in MSVC is the debugger support 08:00:57 I wonder if MSVC has any performance benifits 08:01:11 possibly, but it's negligible 08:01:14 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:35 any performance increase from 32bit to 64bit 08:05:16 ping (on a bad wifi connection) 08:05:39 i'm pretty sure you can build 64bit with msysgit 08:05:56 but is there any real benifites over 32bit builds 08:06:31 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:07:07 Also would it be possible to use nuGet Packages to fullfil dependences 08:07:33 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:10:57 -!- Haruyuki has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:45 -!- scj643 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:14:53 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:36 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:28 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:21:47 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:43 mumra_: the crt assertions actually caught a bug the last time i compiled crawl using winsdk, so there's that angle for keeping support up 08:24:09 johnny0: definitely, and back when we got it working before i remember it rooted out a couple of otherwise really hard to spot bugs 08:24:49 -!- Haruyuki has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25:11 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:20 scj643: the thing is, it's almost impossible to notice any performance increase 08:25:23 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:41 the only time performance is remotely relevant is level generation 08:26:08 and you're still talking about something that takes a few seconds at most 08:26:17 on the slowest most complex map algorithm 08:26:27 which is the vaults layout what i wrote 08:26:42 and that performance is dependent on lua 08:26:56 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27:15 so 32/64 bit would make zero different 08:27:24 also, there is already a 64bit build anyway so you can test this yourself ;) 08:27:50 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 08:29:14 actually performance is more relevant for servers, and those are all linux builds 08:30:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31:38 -!- Desloz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:32:08 there would actually be a really big performance gain by upgrading the lua libs 08:32:21 i can't remember now but there was some big issue with actually doing this 08:32:30 unless it's already been done since and i didn't realise ;) 08:35:25 -!- Guest46586 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:36:24 -!- fandersen has quit [Client Quit] 08:37:16 -!- fandersen has quit [Client Quit] 08:38:12 <|amethyst> lua or luajit? 08:38:58 <|amethyst> ISTR there was some problem, beyond the lack of memory throttling, with using luajit 08:40:16 yeah that was it, luajit would have way better performance but there were technical issues 08:40:18 -!- fandersen has quit [Client Quit] 08:43:40 mumra: stack overflows on level generation due to recursion among other things 08:44:30 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:28 mumra: i think elliptic also mentioned that when qw is allowed to run full-throttle, lua is not the bottleneck 08:55:20 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:57:52 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:58:49 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:26 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:04:44 sure it's not a bottleneck but there IS a noticable level generation time on some systems 09:06:14 johnny0: somewhat surprising about stack overflows though 09:07:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:11:04 -!- Ipsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:35 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:18:31 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:19:24 performance is not really a concern re: cpu on servers, i think 09:19:31 the bigger bottleneck is ram 09:20:09 you can stick about 20 active games on a single modern intel core, but they can take 200mb rss 09:20:24 but even then, you're talking 4gb 09:20:36 at tourney peak that's <50gb total 09:20:44 <|amethyst> 200 MB? 09:21:26 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:33 <|amethyst> they only take about 20-40 MiB on CSZO 09:21:47 most seem to sit about there, but I see a few get waaay higher 09:22:19 if you budget 40mb the numbers are basically ignorable though 09:23:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:26:21 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:27:41 mumra: i think recursive calls in luajit are pretty much straightforward C recursive calls... so you'll run out of stack space pretty quickly with deep recursion (especially on windows machines, where you get something like 2MiB by default) 09:28:19 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:43 hmm 09:33:55 it's more i'm surprised that there is anything recursing that much in the level generators 09:36:56 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 09:39:07 ahh crap... 09:39:25 i meant des parsing, not level generation, sorry :/ 09:41:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44:03 03Sandman2502 {wheals} 07* 0.17-a0-656-gc0ce957: New option "flash_screen_message" 10(5 weeks ago, 3 files, 28+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c0ce957e7cd6 09:44:03 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-657-g01bffe9: Document the flash_screen_message option and make it ignore use_animation. 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 28+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01bffe9f85f6 09:44:03 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-658-gc72cd60: Add "Blood Saint" as a title for Invocation demonspawn (AreBrandon). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c72cd602c542 09:44:03 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-659-gdeb98b6: Remove a bizzare hack. 10(42 minutes ago, 4 files, 29+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/deb98b6ba7c5 09:45:10 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:54 -!- hong has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:58 hello 09:46:16 hi 09:46:28 have you changed your server to look at github instead of gitorious yet? 09:47:10 no 09:48:11 github url? 09:48:35 https://github.com/crawl/crawl / https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git 09:48:49 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:49:00 i have one question 09:49:34 poison meet was disapear 09:49:54 kobold meat was normal meat 09:50:04 is this bug? 09:50:09 no, it's intentional 09:50:32 we're not sure yet whether we might make what used to be poison meat never edible or always edible 09:51:48 ZiggyStardust (L20 OpIE) (Vaults:1) 09:51:53 !crashlog 09:51:54 11118. ZiggyStardust, XL20 OpIE, T:87907 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/ZiggyStardust/crash-ZiggyStardust-20150417-145129.txt 09:52:25 ball lightning + penet ranged attack again 09:53:14 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 09:54:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:55:54 how do i change git config for github? 09:56:09 i was just newbie git user 10:00:53 I don't know if your server has more magic, but the basic command is 10:01:06 git remote set-url origin 10:01:26 and in general git-remote is used for managing upstream tracking 10:02:52 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:05:22 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:38 why remove poisoned meat? just curious 10:12:35 <|amethyst> %git f1b82912 10:12:35 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-621-gf1b8291: Remove poisonous chunks. 10(2 days ago, 20 files, 91+ 191-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1b829123668 10:13:27 <|amethyst> As for why they're inedible rather than clean, the idea is that there are probably too many chunks anyway 10:14:44 -!- Sam_____ has quit [Client Quit] 10:19:42 * gammafunk hurls chunks! 10:21:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24:59 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 10:34:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:28 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:37:05 I wonder if banishment-animation can be used for different god-abilities. 10:38:17 I am programming one-time use ability for this god, instant teleportation to any known floor ( doesn't work with orb or can be used to just ascend single floor? ) 10:44:36 -!- namad7 has quit [] 10:45:17 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:03 Also, I might actually win Thunderdome sprint with my HOMo of Qazlal 10:48:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:00:45 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:03:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:03:56 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:02 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:06:39 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:04 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:09:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:10:19 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:19 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:28 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:14:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:16:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:19:48 !killratio robin * current trunk 11:19:51 robin wins 13.97% of battles against * (current trunk). 11:20:05 !killratio robin * t0.16 11:20:08 robin wins 17.74% of battles against * (t0.16). 11:20:11 weird 11:20:32 !tv * kmap~~pf_ 11:20:32 132. hong, XL2 TrEE, T:243 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 11:20:46 show_more=false not preventing more dialog in abyss 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9645 by fambida 11:20:46 oh, interesting 11:21:08 !tell |amethyst who's the right person to ask about "No ttyrec server known for source 'cwz'"? 11:21:08 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 11:21:32 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21:35 PleasingFungus: that's right 11:21:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:21:41 cwz doesn't keep ttyrecs 11:21:48 you could ask hong i guess 11:21:51 !tell |amethyst nvm 11:21:52 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 11:22:00 wheals: I just want to see him die.... 11:22:09 is that too much to ask? 11:22:30 wow, that hack 11:22:46 the hit point regen thing 11:23:22 !source _regenerate_hp_and_mp 11:23:22 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player-reacts.cc#l1231 11:23:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:27:18 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 11:27:19 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27:42 !source abyss.des 11:27:43 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des 11:32:27 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 11:32:28 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 11:32:49 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:11 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:42:03 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:53:58 Alright, the god's greater teleport works now. 11:57:29 <|amethyst> hm 11:57:46 <|amethyst> floatRand: I was thinking, have you ever heard of crawl-alternative? 11:57:58 Yeah, I have my own fork now. 11:58:17 <|amethyst> it was a pre-DCSS fork of Crawl that had a spell: 11:58:25 <|amethyst> ??local global 11:58:25 local global[1/1]: A level 8 Tloc spell in {crawl alternative}, swaps a LOS-sized circle around you with that around a chosen location: features, monsters, clouds, anything but you. 11:58:50 Ah. 11:58:52 <|amethyst> which sounds like an awesome ability for a god of spacetime :) 11:59:18 <|amethyst> but I'm sure a huge pain to implement in a non-buggy way 11:59:47 The thing is that this god is pretty anal about abusing spacetime ( thus the dim. anchor ). The teleport is sort of one-time use max-piety ability, special privilege of sort. 12:00:01 That's why it grants piety for killing enemies with transloc spells. 12:00:09 <|amethyst> yeah, maybe it doesn't fit the theme 12:00:45 <|amethyst> (what was that episode of The Next Generation?) 12:00:52 I was thinking of two high-level abilities though, repulse ( pushes everything out of circle and deals heavy damage ) or intangibility ( invulnerability for set duration, maybe ability to swap positions with foes? ) 12:01:16 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:26 <|amethyst> ah, "Force of Nature" was the episode name 12:01:48 I am gonna try if I can set this ability banish-animation. 12:02:09 <|amethyst> hm, not sure if intangibility would be different enough from Death's Door to justify it 12:02:37 <|amethyst> particularly since Kiku worshippers get (the option of) the latter 12:02:55 <|amethyst> as their capstone (if you choose Necronomicon) 12:03:31 solution: remove necronomicon gift option (forcing many people to play better while making the occasional character worse) 12:03:37 -!- aarujn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:42 this also improves the interface of that gift 12:03:59 lame 12:04:11 how many enemies have transloc skills? 12:04:12 Yeah, I kinda was figuring. I guess the repulsion would be better, plus I can just steal implementation from fan of gales. 12:04:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:38 Lot of enemies. Plus I included enemies with blink/chaos/distortion brands and some extra enemies ( demonspawn corrupter, worldbinder etc ) 12:04:40 i'm finding it harder and harder to believe dowan isn't minmay's troll alt 12:05:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:24 do Randliches have a chance for transloc skills? 12:05:39 need to give them summon forest 12:06:12 ie could some randliches provide piety while others don't (if they spawn without a transloc skill) 12:06:36 Yeah, it checks them for spells. 12:07:05 Which is translocation spells + some summoning spells that have flavour of pulling things from other planes ( summoning demons etc. ) 12:07:44 -!- Athaboros has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:53 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:13:00 -!- Alarkh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:13:54 -!- fandersen has quit [Client Quit] 12:16:41 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:52 wheals: dowan is not me 12:18:58 wheals: i don't even know who it is 12:20:21 would be pretty funny / goofy / cool to have someo enemy cast passage of golubria and then his friends all go for the portal (make it not expire with use) 12:20:29 to get to you faster 12:20:46 but you'd see the passage being cast so you would get some warning time to react 12:21:46 I guess blink allies encircling does the job 12:22:24 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:24:21 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-659-gdeb98b6 (34) 12:26:04 I should consider how I am gonna handle dimension-locking others. Should it be a thing that inflicts dimension lock everything in LoS or thing that is inflicted on melee, or maybe passively on squares next to character? 12:27:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:01 minmay: exactly what you would say!!! 12:28:59 wheals: yes 12:29:02 wheals: yes, that is what I'd say 12:29:11 wheals: considering that, you know, I said it 12:34:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:36:03 my powers of deduction remain unmatched. 12:37:45 minmay: and now i see you replied as dowan to attack yourself to throw me off the trail! https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15860 12:39:27 <|amethyst> wheals: anyway, I thought duvessa was minmay's troll alt? 12:39:39 what do you mean troll alt 12:39:46 touch� 12:39:49 does he ever post as minmay 12:39:56 long ago 12:40:02 before he learned to embrace trolldom! 12:40:21 <|amethyst> minmay: and I wouldn't say that except you brag about pissing people off in tavern :) 12:44:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:45:06 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:54 uh 12:46:18 does anyone have an idea what could prevent batform on a vp 12:46:46 at near bloodless 12:47:05 vampires that worship zin have batform suppressed. 12:47:30 -!- Earlo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:31 ash? 12:47:40 i didn't even know vp could follow zin 12:48:25 it's not cursed equipment either : / 12:48:39 nor is it ash 12:48:46 unless there's a very, very recent change in trunk i'm not aware of 12:51:24 it was a joke. 12:52:22 revolutionary new gameplay incoming 12:52:22 <|amethyst> kvaak: do you get any particular message? 12:52:26 You are stuck in your current form! 12:52:36 <|amethyst> what's your current form? 12:52:40 <|amethyst> and how did you get there? 12:52:58 kolbur on CXC, vp on vampireform 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-660-g51659ce: Maxwell's etheric cage, by argonaut. Needs tiles. 10(74 minutes ago, 4 files, 48+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/51659ce3e0e1 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-661-ga26ac8b: Make the etheric cage's contamination trigger very slightly more often. 10(70 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a26ac8bf9c59 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-662-g86f932f: Clarify that show_more and force_more_message don't interact (#9645). 10(67 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86f932fd11c2 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-663-gf22ae48: Make ARTP_NEGATIVE_ENERGY a num instead of a bool. 10(58 minutes ago, 2 files, 24+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f22ae48cd30b 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-664-g7168557: Remove an unused parameter from player_res_torment. 10(51 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7168557c6c76 12:53:19 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-665-gdcab04f: The crown of Eternal Torment (Siegurt). Needs non-crappy tiles. 10(5 minutes ago, 8 files, 34+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dcab04f1b94a 12:53:21 ahh, you.transform_uncancellable is true 12:53:21 better than being stuck in batform amirite 12:53:21 as if you've been badformed into vampire 12:53:23 i suspect this is my fault 12:53:24 (vp = worstform?) 12:53:59 <|amethyst> kvaak: do a save backup and post a bug 12:54:03 will do 12:54:04 wheals: what's the reasoning on a26ac8bf9c59 ? 12:54:16 <|amethyst> kvaak: apparently something failed to clear the 'uncancellable' bit (or added one) 12:54:40 It felt like it was a bit too low to be noticeable (it's also better if it happens more often so you don't forget about it!) 12:54:53 i kind of envisioned it as "you have grey contam most of the time" 12:55:06 <|amethyst> kvaak: if you transferred from an older version, particularly if you were in some non-base form when you saved, mention that 12:55:16 wheals: amusing bit apropos of "(who ever heard of a Death of Plants?)", Pratchett's Discworld's Death is responsible for plant deaths as well, and when he was fractured into a bunch of different Deaths in _Reaper Man_, there was a Death of Trees specifically called out (it is represented by the sound of chopping). 12:55:22 uh, how do you backup your save on tiles 12:55:33 <|amethyst> kvaak: oh, you can't from tiles (yet) 12:55:48 !source get_contamination_level 12:55:49 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l4211 12:55:58 <|amethyst> kvaak: log in with ssh and do (t)runk -> (A)dvanced -> (B)ackup -> (n)ormal game 12:55:59 hm 12:56:04 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:08 wheals: how does this interact with fast/slow actions? 12:56:30 are qbl users going to get vastly more contaminated than dark maul users? 12:56:33 slow yourself to rest 12:56:56 yes, i guess i could scale the contam gain with delay as well as the mp gain 12:57:01 it didn't seem as important though 12:57:12 seems pretty important i think 12:57:28 hm 12:58:54 i would be more confident if i didn't have to do the you.walking bit :( 12:58:58 remove turn scoring plz devs 12:59:04 the what bit? 12:59:19 if you recover 2.5 contam per aut and take a turn once every 3 aut (qbl), 1/80 chance to get 1-2k contam per-turn is 6.25 average contam per aut 12:59:43 variance makes that not super meaningful but it's somewhat more than twice the contam bleed-off rate 12:59:48 if your last action was a move, your regen gets capped as if your delay was 10 13:00:03 so nagas don't have to walk back and forth to get maximum score 13:00:18 how is that meaningfully distinct from breadswinging 13:00:21 maybe it's not worth bothering since you can just breadswing 13:00:21 yeah 13:00:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:00:29 yeah that sounds like a super dumb exception 13:00:31 the difference is that the code accounts for the moving case 13:01:04 <|amethyst> I would not make mechanics changes to "fix" turn-based scoring 13:01:10 <|amethyst> the solution is, as you said, to remove it 13:01:26 -!- iafm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01:27 did you read any of the conversation about this the other day? 13:01:39 doy & I are still concerned that aut scoring adds more problems than it fixes 13:01:41 !source div_rand_round 13:01:41 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random-var.cc#l203 13:01:46 !source div_rand_round 2 13:01:47 2/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#l209 13:03:22 <|amethyst> (my suggestion for aut-based scoring without removing Haste is to count how many aut the player spent hasted and add that to the effective aut for scoring 13:03:52 <|amethyst> so that spending time hasted reduces your score, not just keeps it the same) 13:04:09 <|amethyst> but that's probably fiddly, particularly if we don't make that number available to the player 13:04:16 <|amethyst> and in a different way if we do 13:05:12 <|amethyst> not sure if finesse should count in the same way (probably berserk and swift don't need to because of the penalties) 13:05:49 the cap on regen with movement isn't to do with score 13:06:02 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-666-gbd65d93: Scale etheric contamination as well as MP gain (PleasingFungus). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd65d937f8ac 13:06:14 so why don't people like turn based scoring? 13:06:30 <|amethyst> zxc232: in part because turns otherwise don't exist 13:06:31 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:40 <|amethyst> that's the only thing we really use the number for 13:06:43 hunger is capped at baseline delay to stop nagas and chei worshippers from hungering super fast, and then regen is capped also so that nagas and chei worshippers don't have to walk back and forth to regen efficiently 13:06:53 mega hunger... 13:07:04 (this might still not be a good approach! but it's nothing to do with scoring) 13:07:08 <|amethyst> hm 13:07:12 hey the game thinks my vamp is stuck in badform, anyone here who can fix this? 13:07:13 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:29 Kolbur: it's a new bug that applies only to people whose name starts with 'k' 13:07:33 <|amethyst> Kolbur: kvaak is filing a bug about that :) 13:07:43 yes kvaak is on it 13:07:47 seriously? 13:07:47 MarvinPA: just remove hunger and also healing over time. 13:07:48 <|amethyst> Kolbur: if you're using ssh (or can), take a save backup 13:07:49 simple. 13:07:52 what a cool bug 13:07:56 no :P 13:08:05 <|amethyst> nagas probably could handle hungering faster while travelling 13:08:05 turn all races into deep mummies 13:08:09 &version cxc 13:08:10 cxc: 0.17-a0-649-g87edefa 13:08:12 but it would make such a cool bug 13:08:17 %git 87edefa 13:08:17 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-649-g87edefa: Don't penalize your EV for winning 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/87edefa621c9 13:08:20 we k people have to stick together 13:08:24 I'm going to use my developer authority to decree that it is, in fact, a K-bug. 13:08:26 <|amethyst> and chei can "slow metabolism" (doesn't he do that already) 13:08:27 That's canon now. 13:08:54 <|amethyst> http://www.bugo.com/component/products/?view=product&id=246 13:09:18 well i don't think nagas should effectively get innate fast metabolism, since it was removed from other races 13:09:32 do centaurs have innate slow metabolism 13:09:35 <|amethyst> yes 13:09:38 now that they no longer have innate fast metabolism 13:09:52 bonus question: what if you just give nagas slow metabolism :) 13:09:56 <|amethyst> unless the walking thing caps on the other end too? 13:10:06 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:21 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:37 no, it doesn't 13:10:43 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: it wouldn't be quite the same thing, since presumably you'd also be removing the regen cap? 13:11:03 a third new hat-slot unrand...!? 13:11:18 third?? 13:11:47 !send wheals the Regen Cap 13:11:47 Sending the Regen Cap to wheals. 13:11:47 !cmd =randhat.list .echo hat of the alchemist&hat of the bear spirit&hat of the high council&hat of pondering&crown of dyrovepreva&mask of the dragon&crown of eternal torment 13:11:48 Redefined command: =randhat.list => .echo hat of the alchemist&hat of the bear spirit&hat of the high council&hat of pondering&crown of dyrovepreva&mask of the dragon&crown of eternal torment 13:11:49 PleasingFungus: oh is that winning EV penalty why I was non-diesel on a character that I thought didn't need to use blowgun of evasion, etc. to reach 31 ev? 13:11:51 oh ha 13:11:58 rchandra: ya 13:12:02 !blame3 wheals 13:12:02 wheeeeeaaaaals 13:12:24 sadly cage is not a hat so it can't go on that list 13:12:29 I was wondering 13:12:32 are crowns hats? 13:12:40 it is the first helmet unrand! 13:12:41 yes 13:12:49 i suspect they used to be caps 13:13:02 <|amethyst> Maxwell's Tinfoil 13:13:28 bring back the silver hammer! (by renaming Iron Shot) 13:13:42 oh I thought you wee just making a name joke 13:13:44 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:13:54 rchandra: imo the Silver Hammer would be a good unique title 13:14:06 and/or professional wrestler title 13:14:16 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:27 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:14:55 and imo 13:16:05 @??octopode crusher name:Silver_Hammer n_the col:silver 13:16:05 Silver Hammer (15x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 99-128 | AC/EV: 1/17 | Dam: 35, 1003(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 2242 | Sp: iron shot (3d29), tentacle throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:16:14 Vp gets stuck in vampireform if Kirke's porkalator fizzles. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9646 by Kvaak 13:16:20 ah 13:16:22 ahhh, is that the cause! 13:16:42