00:00:34 -!- shummie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:01:13 -!- TimPB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:30 hm 00:01:32 !seen kvaak 00:01:32 I last saw kvaak at Mon Apr 13 23:56:48 2015 UTC (5h 4m 44s ago) saying 'unless he has tons of deleted posts' on ##crawl-dev. 00:02:57 <|amethyst> hm, trying to figure out why this shillelagh thing is so 00:03:11 <|amethyst> it uses monster_at, not actor_at, so that's not it 00:03:43 <|amethyst> I don't think walked-though plants get ENCH_SUBMERGED 00:04:21 !tell kvaak ng-setup.cc:328:22: error: use of undeclared identifier 'MUT_BEARSERK'; did you mean 'MUT_BERSERK'? 00:04:21 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let kvaak know. 00:04:52 sincerely can't tell if that was intended or not... 00:05:46 <+PleasingFungus> I guess that was.. chequers? <-- I don't have the skills to fix the problems with it that caused you to remove it 00:06:03 I just sadly boot up a random 0.16 trunk build I kept on my desktop and play it there occasionally 00:06:17 rip mountain dwarves, basically 00:06:35 ok 00:06:41 rip. 00:06:46 <+|amethyst> chequers was also talking about removing console support <-- never from the codebase, just from my server. And it's still really tempting :) dgamelaunch support is such a drag 00:07:05 <|amethyst> ah 00:07:08 maybe with the jan tourney 00:07:15 <|amethyst> yeah, if you want to remove it from your own server, go for it 00:07:38 could catoblepi please have a longer breath timer? 00:07:54 probably 00:07:56 its annoying a hell when they breathe 4/6 turns and you spend all your time moving 00:08:03 imo that's part of the fun of them tho 00:08:05 the cat dance 00:08:10 not actually that dangerous because all the enemies are getting stoned too 00:08:39 it punishes poor positioning, if you engage in a corridor for example 00:08:55 like that lair ending where they're hiding at the end of a bunch of 2-wide corridors 00:08:59 <|amethyst> I thought we wanted to reduce the uses of the breath timer, not increase it 00:09:17 <|amethyst> at least, there were complaints about chanters using the breath timer 00:09:34 <|amethyst> but I guess that was mostly about asphyx 00:10:33 I don't mind breath attacks, just that curare had secret tech 00:10:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-565-gf4b5ea5 (34) 00:11:26 chequers it sounds like in thta particular example it punishes being unspoiled 00:11:46 god this whole thing is just such a mess... 00:12:06 rast: sorry, that's what I meant by "secret tech" 00:12:08 !tell kvaak if you still love your bearkin, write up a new version and I'll be happy to refresh the branch 00:12:09 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let kvaak know. 00:12:13 <|amethyst> vaults in general punish people being unspoiled 00:12:18 ??secret tech[vampiric 00:12:18 secret_tech[8/22]: going into tree form to wield vampiric for free 00:12:19 also serious FR: make curare just an irresistible slow+poison, remove the breath part 00:12:21 <|amethyst> unless they're highly randomised 00:12:32 ^ i think that's a really cool bit of secret tech, so I don't hate all secret tech 00:12:42 just the stuff that's vaguely win-chance influencing 00:12:55 chequers i meant being spoiled about vault layouts 00:13:13 oh 00:13:24 and, as cool as that secret tech is, 00:13:34 a potion of treeform has slight value 00:13:43 half a bread ration, or whatever it takes to get to full 00:13:48 is approximately worthless 00:14:15 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:14:18 I've never considered that lair ending unfair, but I think less good players aare much more vulnerable to being trapped by the current catelobpas breathe rate than experienced players are annoyed by something "harmless" 00:14:18 <|amethyst> why does vampiricism even have that restriction anymore anyway? 00:14:43 <|amethyst> err, vampirism 00:14:54 re: secret tech: it's probably a nethackism to like pointless secret tech 00:15:05 but I still do anyway 00:15:16 |amethyst because apparently switchign weapons a lot is imbalanced 00:15:28 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:15:37 chequers me too. i wish there was a crawl branch with more nethackisms 00:15:54 like bags of holding and potion alchemy 00:16:19 it's pretty relevant imho 00:16:25 makes it impractical to do a lot of weapon switching 00:16:28 magic markers... wishing for artifacts and getting good ones... jumping boots with unlimited uses 00:16:28 for e.g. blowguns, rods, etc 00:16:42 yeah, I agree 00:16:50 <|amethyst> so "approximately worthless" is not true? 00:17:01 <|amethyst> oh 00:17:02 vamp + rod affects me a lot 00:17:10 <|amethyst> I guess it's that switching *once* is cheap 00:17:32 yeah, switching to try out new weapons is simple 00:17:32 |amethyst fine the secret tech is to make each potion of lig worth about half a food ration 00:17:54 <|amethyst> You draw nourishment from the soil! 00:18:10 even if food is free, the turncost to eat to full means you can't switch in battle 00:18:17 is vampiric really such a great brand that you need to be punished for golf-clubbing it? besides with DD, which have their own issues anyway 00:18:58 it is extremely good, yes 00:19:01 I'd say so, same with antimagic 00:19:09 but even if it wasn't, I'd like having a brand with that dynamic 00:19:12 it's a fun game space to explore 00:19:28 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:20:02 FR rename large rocks to boulders 00:20:03 re-fr flatten brand chances! 00:20:06 if it's an interesting game space to explore let people other than trog worshippers find vamp branded weapons 00:20:19 you do find them, it's just kinda rare 00:20:34 i would liek scrolls of brand weapon to have better chances of giving rare brands 00:20:42 iow, flatten those 00:20:47 also, vamp not working against rN / holy doesn't really make sense 00:20:54 no, brand weapon just needs to become brand equipment 00:21:05 rchandra then people would never use it on weapons 00:21:24 Your boots glow white and begin to float! 00:21:40 I don't think you'd use it on weapons less often - if you have a bad brand you use it, if not don't gamble, as-is 00:21:57 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:24:45 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-566-g0bbdfb6: Remove the breath effect from curare 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0bbdfb63081d 00:25:10 all I learned from Tintin is now wrong ^ 00:25:17 t-thanks PleasingFungus 00:25:30 wait -- didn't I submit that patch ages ago? 00:25:35 did you 00:25:52 lol who submits patches. the correct thing to do is mention something offhanded on irc 00:26:32 though if i happened to submit a patch that added a screen showing what portal vaults you had found, and what additional portal vaults were eligible to be generated 00:26:35 <|amethyst> what about the res_asphyx check? 00:26:38 any chance that would go to trunk? 00:26:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:27:10 <|amethyst> rast: how would you determine the latter? 00:27:25 <|amethyst> iterate over the possible depths looking for a level that hasn't been generated yet? 00:27:30 right 00:27:31 didn't curare previously work on all spellcasters? or is that part unchanged, only the Breath-users 00:27:38 rchandra: it did not, afaik? 00:27:52 no more than being out of breath prevents the player from casting 00:27:53 or just a flat out spoiler list, and let the player figure out which levels he hasn't visited 00:27:55 i guess it was never committed 00:27:55 here's my patch http://sprunge.us/GVbD 00:27:55 didn't change flavour 00:28:05 ah. sry 00:28:10 didn't remember seein git 00:28:43 nah it's fine, just showing what |amethyst said 00:28:46 |amethyst: my current thought is that it still causes a shortness of breath (hence the asphyx check & player message), just a much more immediate & shorter one. that being said, I wouldn't mind removing that check if you have a good message for player impact 00:28:55 I thought of "you convulse" but like ten other things already do that... 00:28:57 in that case, you increased clarity probably 00:31:29 !tell ontoclasm https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6213 00:31:29 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 00:31:33 !tell roctavian https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6213 00:31:33 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 00:32:46 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32:58 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Quit: hy-on-github] 00:33:53 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:09 Arikie (L25 DrTm) (Depths:5) 00:36:32 Arikie (L25 DrTm) (Depths:5) 00:36:47 Arikie (L25 DrTm) (Depths:5) 00:36:57 <|amethyst> !crashlog arikie 00:36:57 3. Arikie, XL25 DrTm, T:82003 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Arikie/crash-Arikie-20150414-053646.txt 00:38:04 Ok I won a mibe, so let me update the changelog 00:38:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-567-gdf1da4f: nicolae shop updates (9594) 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df1da4f32742 00:40:40 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:04 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:36 !tell lasty check out my comment on 9578 00:44:37 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:45:57 <|amethyst> so, for that crash 00:46:22 <|amethyst> you need to have no artifice and have a melded weapon, and press v 00:46:36 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:46:50 <|amethyst> or to be berserk and have a melded weapon 00:51:23 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-568-g5fb0b34: Don't turn dead cats into animated trees (9565) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5fb0b34a0630 00:52:32 !tv * xom vaults max=ntv 00:52:34 196. zkyp, XL24 MiCK, T:82124 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:53:28 |amethyst: what's actually happening? 00:53:48 03Lamil Lerran02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.17-a0-569-g5c5269f: Format time strings for >24h correctly (9570) 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c5269f6aaa3 00:53:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's using you.weapon() despite that being null 00:54:01 oops 00:55:18 <|amethyst> hm 00:55:33 <|amethyst> IMO these sac mutations should be renamed 00:55:53 <|amethyst> I had to look at the source to figure out how to give myself no artifice 00:56:15 <|amethyst> the mutation name is "inability to use devices" 00:57:08 hrm 00:57:14 undevice 00:57:19 should removal of the findray test be the focus of my blog post 00:57:39 it's either that or emacs keybindings in the line reader 00:57:45 I'm not sure which is more exciting 00:57:57 |amethyst: it's nice that they dont' all start with "sacrifice" 00:58:15 <|amethyst> I think "sacrifice" wouldn't be right either 00:58:22 <|amethyst> that's an action you take, not the result of the action 00:58:25 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:58:32 <|amethyst> I was thinking "no artifice" or "no devices" 00:58:55 <|amethyst> not sure what to do about "inability to drink while threatened" 01:01:08 no belliquaffing 01:01:18 !crashlog Kolbur 01:01:18 1. Kolbur, XL27 KoAK, T:68971 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Kolbur/crash-Kolbur-20150323-224039.txt 01:02:36 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:26 baffling 01:04:32 can't repro it for the life of me 01:04:34 ah well 01:04:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.1/20150402191859]] 01:07:26 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:50 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:43 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:28 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:18 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:38 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 273 seconds] 01:12:13 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:16 -!- Thelo has quit [] 01:12:48 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:20:20 ??sid 01:20:20 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg none | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu sid/5 (none in 0.16-) | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp id/5 (none in 0.16-) | VS sd/4 01:21:04 -!- serq has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:55 -!- ly^_ is now known as ly^ 01:23:21 !learn edit sid s!Vp id/5 (none in 0.16-)!Vp none (id/5 in 0.17+) 01:23:21 No change: regex `Vp id/5 (none in 0.16-)` does not match `see {stat gain[2]}` 01:23:29 bleh regex 01:23:51 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:13 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:32 -!- Amy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:55 -!- Amy is now known as Guest20461 01:26:26 -!- Guest20461 is now known as flappity 01:26:58 I'd prefer to keep it relative to trunk 01:27:33 although I'm not sure how consistent we are about that 01:27:53 usually its trunk and then notes for stable 01:28:02 yeah that's what I'd thought 01:28:13 since more people are playing trunk 01:28:49 !kw current 01:28:50 Keyword: current => cv>=0.16 01:28:59 !lm * current alive s=cv 01:29:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:29:45 dang Sequell 01:29:57 31360 milestones for * (current alive): 16589x 0.16, 14771x 0.17-a 01:30:24 guess that'll reach parity soon enough 01:31:24 !lm sapher ddwr alive rune s=turns,noun o=-turns 01:31:24 8 milestones for sapher (ddwr alive rune): 4453 (barnacled), 6763 (silver), 8676 (gossamer), 9472 (slimy), 11284 (golden), 12269 (icy), 12885 (bone), 13373 (obsidian) 01:31:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:56 whew 01:31:56 ??book_of_spatial_translocations 01:31:57 book of spatial translocations[1/1]: Apportation, Portal Projectile, Blink, Shroud of Golubria, Teleport Other, Passage of Golubria 01:31:59 13373 01:32:00 &dump sapher 01:32:01 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sapher/Sapher.txt 01:32:19 good items 01:33:00 ring of shadows is useless in the hells though, isnt it? 01:33:09 I think it has stealth 01:33:12 ??ring_of_shadows 01:33:13 ring of shadows[1/1]: Unrandart ring which gives an umbra and {+Inv, sInv, rN+}. Being in the umbra multiplies your stealth by 1.5, or gives you your Yred or Dith piety umbra stealth if that would be higher. Players and monsters in umbra have an accuracy malus unless they are undead/dith/yred. 01:33:21 oh well rN 01:33:24 and sinv 01:33:26 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:26 so not useless 01:33:28 and umbra which is stealth 01:33:32 yeah 01:33:35 but in plate it doesnt matter 01:33:38 yeah 01:33:45 he's just using it for rN probably 01:33:49 Stlth .......... H - ring of Shadows {Umbra +Inv rN+ SInv} 01:33:56 hes not even wearing it right now 01:34:00 ??deep_dwarf 01:34:00 deep dwarf[1/5]: Great apts including armour, dodging, stealth, necromancy, earth magic, and �ber AC-like damage shaving. They don't heal, at all -- except by an act of god, potions, wands, vampiric weapons or necromancy. They start with one level of passive mapping (and gain another level at xl 9 and xl 18), and gain rN+ at xl 14. 01:34:11 they're just rN+ I think 01:34:22 !lm sapher x=src 01:34:22 -!- Hanyuu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34:22 2244. [2015-04-14 06:18:57] [src=cszo] Sapher the Executioner (L22 DDWr of Makhleb) entered the Iron City of Dis on turn 13449. (Hell) 01:34:30 let's see 01:34:34 &watch sapher 01:34:35 %watch Sapher 01:34:35 ??cszo 01:34:36 No current CSZO game for Sapher. 01:34:36 cszo[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa". In case of DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org. Also has webtiles at http://crawl.s-z.org/. 01:35:59 !hs * 01:36:02 4209326. Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 01:37:21 !lm sapher x=nrune 01:37:22 2244. [2015-04-14 06:18:57] [nrune=8] Sapher the Executioner (L22 DDWr of Makhleb) entered the Iron City of Dis on turn 13449. (Hell) 01:37:23 13.5 + 300 (dis) + 1000 abyssal + 3000 Pan + 1500 ascension 01:37:34 worse case probably 01:37:37 300 for dis:7? 01:37:49 DAMN 01:37:55 what 01:38:02 he quit 01:38:07 /saved 01:38:11 300 is probably an overestimate, but worse case it could def. happen 01:38:27 it will all come down to pan 01:38:31 like it usually does on these runs 01:38:48 not the first time hes saved 01:39:41 he can probably do a reliable 800-1k ascension, maybe with passage a bit lower 01:41:37 hopefully he doesn't get dis_st 01:46:30 yeah actually he's already at 14 and not even on dis:7 01:46:34 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:46 I should look into reducing the pan pursuit silliness 01:46:53 since I hear that's pretty nuts 01:50:01 5% chance for any pan lord to follow you to the next level 01:50:47 then flat 5% chance for the unique panlords 01:54:51 !messages 01:54:52 No messages for TZer0. 01:56:40 -!- Jaxry has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:57:16 -!- MarkWithers has quit [Client Quit] 01:57:33 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 01:58:36 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:45 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:05:31 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:05:36 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:02 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:06:34 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:46 ?? Sequell 02:08:46 sequell[1/4]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md If you want the source, go here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell 02:10:37 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 02:10:40 -!- amalloy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:12:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-570-g4b92f67: Don't crash on berserk/no-artifice melded evoke. 10(77 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b92f6773a3d 02:12:25 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.1-15-g9e2b254: Don't crash on berserk/no-artifice melded evoke. 10(77 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e2b254f07b3 02:12:27 !dump sapher 02:12:27 No where information for sapher. 02:12:27 &dump sapher 02:12:27 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sapher/Sapher.txt 02:13:50 <|amethyst> hm 02:14:02 <|amethyst> no clue what's going on with #9625 02:14:08 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:39 <|amethyst> !lm mahalanobis uniq=norris 02:14:39 3. [2015-04-10 11:05:57] mahalanobis the Severer (L21 HOFi of Makhleb) killed Norris on turn 44951. (Vaults:2) 02:14:43 <|amethyst> !lm mahalanobis uniq=norris -2 02:14:44 2/3. [2015-04-07 05:38:56] mahalanobis the Bludgeoner (L18 DsGl of Okawaru) killed Norris on turn 47497. (Vaults:1) 02:14:53 <|amethyst> !lm mahalanobis uniq=grum -2 02:14:54 2/3. [2015-04-08 13:05:00] mahalanobis the Spear-Bearer (L11 MfIE of Okawaru) killed Grum on turn 16887. (Lair:1) 02:14:55 <|amethyst> !lm mahalanobis uniq=grum 02:14:56 3. [2015-04-08 15:12:30] mahalanobis the Bludgeoner (L14 DsGl of Okawaru) killed Grum on turn 16196. (D:8) 02:15:11 <|amethyst> !lm mahalanobis uniq=norris -tv 02:15:12 3. mahalanobis, XL21 HOFi, T:44951 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:16:19 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-571-gad1d471: Changelog through 0.17-a0-570-g4b92f67 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad1d471046e3 02:16:41 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:21:27 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:02 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-569-g5c5269f (34) 02:31:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:33:55 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:36:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:05 -!- doy has quit [Excess Flood] 02:39:38 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:17 ??mi 02:46:18 minotaur[2/4]: Also a bashy player race. 02:46:23 ??mi[3 02:46:23 I don't have a page labeled mi[3] in my learndb. 02:46:30 ??minotaur[3 02:46:30 minotaur[3/4]: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00000030.jpg 02:46:32 ??minotaur[4 02:46:32 minotaur[4/4]: http://cs416320.vk.me/v416320592/5452/2RmMEqZNzAk.jpg 02:46:53 !learn q mi 02:46:53 mi[1/1]: see {minotaur[2]} 02:47:23 maybe it wont redirect further if its not pointing to the first entry or something 02:47:43 mi have hooves, right? 02:47:54 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:00 ??hooves 02:48:00 hooves[1/2]: Horse feet. Having them allows you to kick in melee, at the cost of footwear. 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Sapher, XL26 NaWz, T:21895: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Sapher/morgue-Sapher-20121005-090514.txt 05:56:08 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:02:04 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 06:06:21 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:30 -!- driftwood has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:09:43 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:10:48 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 06:11:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:23 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:17:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:20 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:26 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:24:26 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:25:26 good news devs 06:25:42 record was broken by a huge amount 06:26:08 -!- ayutzia has quit [Client Quit] 06:32:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33:20 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:33:22 Which record? 06:34:04 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:35:06 high score 06:35:17 and 15-rune turn count 06:35:57 Cool, what's the new one? 06:40:33 !lg sapher 06:40:33 956. Sapher the Executioner (L26 DDWr of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-04-14 11:22:20, with 75023051 points after 19063 turns and 12:08:08. 06:40:33 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:41:51 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:51 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 06:41:51 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 07:09:36 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:09:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:12:50 -!- axecop has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:12:50 ??is cdo down 07:12:50 is cdo down[1/1]: 55 minutes, 50 seconds since last activity (cdo) 07:13:16 It's too fun to make sprites. Maybe I'll try to make implementation for this Nemelex-themed kobold. http://i.imgur.com/R7CL85r.png 07:14:46 so, highest scoring game was started in 20121005 and finished now, might that influence the scoring somewhat through diffrent versions being used for different parts of the game and for scoring it? :) 07:15:09 no way to tell until CDO is back with the log.. 07:16:23 sorry, false alarm, confused Sequell's response to Lightli above, which was before the new hs game AFAICT 07:16:28 !hs * log 07:16:31 4209754. Sapher, XL26 DDWr, T:19063: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sapher/morgue-Sapher-20150414-112220.txt 07:16:34 yup 07:17:05 one thing to note was the old high score was back when summoning was broken as hell 07:17:06 so the old hs stood for 2.5 years :D 07:20:55 basically, time to nerf DD? 07:21:07 !nerf sapher 07:21:08 * Sequell nerfs sapher!!! 07:22:45 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:23:24 I am not a high scorer, but I would guess DD is only so strong there because you don't have to "waste" turns for healing, or is there more to it? if it is the healing turns that make the difference then DD's strength is mostly in scoring rather than in actual game viability (where they are also good but that goes for many species) 07:24:22 DD is good because of damage shaving and heal wand 07:24:25 yeah 07:24:40 DD is good because you start with one of the rarest and best items in the game and because damage shaving is amazing 07:24:42 the passive mapping is also useful for speedruns 07:25:00 and HP aptitude is 20% 07:25:12 !apt dd 07:25:12 DD: Fighting: -1, Short: -1, Long: 0, Axes: 1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -1, Staves: -1, Slings: 1, Bows: -3, Xbows: 1, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 3, Shields: 1, UC: -1, Splcast: -2, Conj: -1, Hexes: -2, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: 1, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -1, Fire: -1, Ice: -1, Air: -3, Earth: 3!, Poison: -2, Inv: 3!, Evo: 3!, Exp: !, HP: !, MP: ! 07:25:25 good apts for axes, armour, dodge 07:25:35 ??damage shaving 07:25:35 deep dwarf[2/5]: Damage shaved = 1d(1+1d(1+XL/3)). Damage shaving affects just about everything, including poison and torment, and even hellfire! 07:25:43 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:37 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:43 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:02 ah, the passive mapping too 07:37:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:02 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:40:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:45:05 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:46:23 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 07:46:23 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 07:49:52 seems like mantis is down right now 07:53:54 Lasty_: CDO in general 07:57:15 -!- Grujah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:57:29 ??cdo 07:57:29 cdo[1/4]: Crawl server (also running 4.1), located in Germany, crawl.develz.org, telnet port 345 or ssh port 22, ssh-username: crawl, ssh-key necessary: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key (openssh) or http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk (putty) 07:58:10 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:01:14 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:09 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:02:32 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:22:16 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25:25 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:26:42 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:42 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 08:26:42 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! 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Runs 0.10-0.15 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 09:21:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:12 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:30:00 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38:04 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:04 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:42:34 -!- ystael has quit [Client Quit] 09:46:08 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:47:25 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:25 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 09:47:25 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 09:48:55 -!- panicbit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:09 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:58:59 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:38 I wrote unique that draws cards from Legendary Deck of War. 09:59:47 Including a chance of card from deck of oddities/punishments 10:00:13 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:48 spell: summon panlord 10:02:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:05 I wrote it for the unique in mind so I just made 12 different effects. Pentagram is one of them, but instead of panlord it summons a fiend. 10:04:35 12 effect is negative for the unique, either Xom or Banishment. 10:04:52 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:32 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:50 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:16:06 -!- test2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:17:15 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19:00 Napkin: no more CDO fan troubles, I hope :) 10:22:02 .gmap -tv:channel=waterp:<2 10:22:03 138. morfei, XL23 DsFi, T:73264 requested for waterp: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 10:22:19 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:25:26 .gmap -ttyrec 10:25:30 138. morfei, XL23 DsFi, T:73264: Can't find ttyrec 10:26:27 .gmap -tv:channel=waterp:<2 10:26:28 138. morfei, XL23 DsFi, T:73264 requested for waterp: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 10:26:37 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:05 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:49 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:20 -!- culcube is now known as phyphor 10:46:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:18 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:55:20 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:56:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:50 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59:48 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:22 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:10:27 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:13:10 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 11:13:16 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:16:14 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:16:30 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:50 gammafunk: the convention for learndb has been 'accurate for stable' since I joined 11:18:00 with notes for trunk 11:18:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:18:49 if you want to change that then that's probably ok but you should know it is a change 11:19:03 !seen bml 11:19:03 I last saw bml at Tue Apr 14 12:06:58 2015 UTC (4h 12m 5s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'. 11:19:24 !tell bml https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/ 11:19:24 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let bml know. 11:19:35 I don't think that's actually the convention though 11:19:41 if you read the learndb 11:19:43 http://i.imgur.com/PoBjEQv.png 11:19:46 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:20 in any case it doesn't particularly matter, as long as both trunk and stable are documented, since it's not like we much have standards for learndb 11:20:30 people yelled at me when I did it the other way 11:20:36 now, like the parable of the monkeys, I will gently chide you 11:20:42 just fire those people 11:20:46 *the parable of the monkeys and the fire hose 11:20:48 revoke their privele...dang it 11:20:56 I can't ever spell that word 11:21:19 rip. 11:22:18 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:23:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:57 the praise is rolling in from my trunk updates debut 11:25:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:33 RIP zotdef. 11:27:19 !lg wheals zotdef 11:27:20 103. wheals the Practitioner (L3 HOHe of Elyvilon), rotted away (a bat) in Zot (Scenario V: Glassed Sandwich : zotvault5) on 2012-11-29 02:32:42, with 154 points after 311 turns and 0:01:56. 11:27:30 !lg wheals zotdef max=xl 11:27:31 103. wheals the Nimble (L11 DrAK of Lugonu), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) in Zot (Scenario II: Battle Heart : zotvault2) on 2012-07-23 20:17:09, with 11099 points after 2477 turns and 0:34:16. 11:27:35 nice 11:27:51 BATTLEHEART 11:27:55 now how much did wheals really play zotdef... 11:28:09 wheals: trying to get us to tickets resolved > tickets opened over all the periods that mantis tracks 11:28:21 we're currently at -10 for the last 30 days 11:28:27 which is nonoptimal 11:28:53 gammafunk: WizLabs, huh? 11:29:07 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:29:43 I think I would have been more parsimonious with the changelog 11:29:56 well look at the changelog 11:30:03 it's "Branches, Environment" 11:30:06 the curare thing, worm thing, lich thing & goliath beetle thing are all below the threshold for changeloggery 11:30:10 imho 11:30:17 also possibly the bog body thing 11:30:19 man look at that change log 11:30:23 what do you see in it 11:30:29 ? 11:30:50 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:54 by changeloggery, I do hope you mean wordpress 11:30:58 and not the actual changelog 11:31:21 becuase it'd be pretty silly to not put the curare thing in the changelog 11:32:05 I do mean the changelog 11:32:16 wordpress has much lower thresholds for notability 11:32:21 well you shouldn't mean that 11:32:33 the curare change def. belongs in the changelog 11:32:39 ok, I'll cede that one. 11:32:44 tbh we usually put monster changes in the changelog 11:32:49 I don't think it's a "definite" thing but w/e. 11:32:56 notice we had the death knight changes in there 11:33:11 that one's marginal 11:33:15 lol 11:33:15 ok 11:33:29 perhaps cherry-picking bugfixes to stable should be part of the week-in-review thing as well 11:33:32 I mean none of this Matters but imho the changelog will get way too cluttered if we put in things of this magnitude 11:33:42 -!- test2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:43 wheals: not a bad thought 11:34:58 gammafunk: anyway ty for doing the changelog/wordpress! 11:35:00 I think the changelog should probably describe any change relevant to gameplay, since that's what users care about 11:35:12 any change? 11:35:13 any change...? 11:35:30 any change......? 11:35:51 yes, so long as it's succinct, like it can be "ranged combat has been reworked" 11:35:57 with some relevant points 11:36:18 my personal policy is to only mention things that are 'player-visible' 11:36:28 well monsters spells are that 11:36:40 but yeah I agree with that general policy 11:36:42 the bog body thing is just overly trivial 11:36:45 and lich spells aren't visible 11:36:54 <|amethyst> err? 11:36:58 <|amethyst> lich spells aren't visible in xv 11:37:11 <|amethyst> they're visible when the lich casts them 11:37:14 right 11:37:23 yeah but - it's impossible for the player to tell that a given lich does not have shadow creatures 11:37:26 idk. splitting hairs 11:37:45 it's possible for the player to think "liches can have shadow creatures", though 11:37:59 players don't think. 11:38:03 that's a basic fallacy. 11:38:04 <|amethyst> well, I do see PF's point, in that we never listed which spells they can and cannot have 11:38:23 !learn add PleasingFungus players don't think. that's a basic fallacy. 11:38:24 pleasingfungus[23/23]: players don't think. that's a basic fallacy. 11:38:34 sure, I think there are def. gray areas and different interpretations of what's "visible" 11:38:39 Grunt: grrrunt 11:38:42 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:44 <|amethyst> �learn mv pleasingfungus[23] players 11:38:48 PleasingFungus: "gggrrruuunnnttt" 11:38:58 someone made a command for that.... 11:39:01 but as a player I'd just want some mention of any change that affected gameplay, even if it's something quit high-level 11:39:05 Grunt: do you have time to talk about tengu warriors/cj? 11:39:10 v0v 11:39:15 what about them 11:39:34 I was looking at the commit that added them, and the rationale seemed to be "forest needs more enemies" and "make some guys like deep elves, but not" 11:39:41 <|amethyst> an example of a player-visible change that might not be listed: Tukima's Dance can no longer self-target 11:39:52 they have changed a lot since that commit so it's no longer indicative 11:39:55 ahh 11:40:08 right now they're mostly intended as a late D threat 11:40:21 @??tengu warrior 11:40:22 tengu warrior (10Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 10 | HP: 50-71 | AC/EV: 5/16 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer, lev | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 868 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:40:25 I've thought for a while that the damage output of warriors should be improved 11:40:28 it's hilariously weak right now 11:40:29 @??orc knight 11:40:29 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 50-85 | AC/EV: 11/10 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 620 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:40:30 possibly reavers too 11:40:45 (i.e. melee) 11:40:47 ya 11:40:50 @??tengu conjurer 11:40:51 tengu conjurer (02Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 7 | HP: 25-39 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 10, 5, 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 325 | Sp: force lance (3d11), mystic blast (3d13), battlesphere, blink [04emergency] / mephitic cloud, b.venom (3d12), battlesphere, blink [04emergency] / shock (d12), b.lightning (3d14), battlesphere, blink [04emergency] /.. 11:40:55 @??deep elf conjurer 11:40:55