00:01:34 <+gammafunk> chequers needs to configure his ide/editor <-- my editor is vi 00:01:54 right, so is |amethyst's 00:02:58 I mean you need to have a c++ mode enabled and configured, etc, so you can tab and get good indent 00:03:58 your last patch likewise had indent problems was all I meant by that 00:04:19 fixed http://sprunge.us/dZhY 00:04:36 yeah, part of the problem is i barely speak c so I miss it 00:04:51 like the "{} for >1 line blocks only" keeps confusing me 00:05:10 we discussed that change a bit, and I'm not sure we want to turn curare into exactly needles of slow+poison 00:05:25 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05:35 there was talk about removing the breath thing on monster abilities where appropriate 00:05:44 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:45 The build has errored. (master - be7af99 #2219 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57747968 00:05:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:05:56 sigh, now is this one real 00:06:08 ah right, errored means likely not 00:06:23 oh that's just the same error 00:06:24 it is real, it's just the same one as before 00:06:38 odd, why errored that time, but failed on mine? 00:06:58 because you deleted/rebased/whatever the branch 00:07:01 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:07:05 and so it couldn't check it out for the last couple builds 00:07:26 doy: this is master 00:09:05 well, someone rebased, or amended, or something 00:09:06 or is this an entire batch of recent HEADs or something 00:09:11 yeah I did force push 00:09:25 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:27 yeah 00:09:31 that would do it 00:09:39 you rewrote the entire moon troll branch i thought 00:09:42 yeah "ran for 1 hr 38 min 1 sec" 00:09:49 did you force push master? 00:09:51 no just the last commit 00:09:53 no I didn't 00:09:56 hmmm 00:09:59 someone force-pushed master 00:10:01 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10:03 but I did force push one com....er 00:10:33 really when? 00:10:43 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be7af99f194101887fea4941e27a28557fa0deda 00:10:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:56 that commit doesn't appear to be in master anymore? 00:11:02 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac (34) 00:11:02 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:25 oh, my local copy missed this 00:11:34 oh crap 00:11:50 how did... 00:12:11 oh, you force-pushed your branch to master 00:12:13 haha 00:12:34 but I was in master 00:12:39 hah 00:12:50 and I didn't force push when I pushed 00:12:58 I did force push to moon base 00:13:00 not to master 00:13:05 I'm confused..... 00:13:12 %git log moon_base 00:13:12 Could not find commit log moon_base (git returned 128) 00:13:16 %git moon_base 00:13:16 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-487-g8addc3a: A new wizlab: Lehudib's Moon Base 10(7 months ago, 8 files, 203+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8addc3a8a0f2 00:13:27 %git 00:13:27 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac: Fixe compilation for console builds 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d1acac74fd3 00:13:32 %git HEAD~1 00:13:32 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-488-g0a147b9: A new wizlab: Lehudib's Moon Base 10(7 months ago, 8 files, 203+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a147b9ce386 00:13:51 I mean it does look like I force pushed but I don't exactly see how 00:13:56 yeah, shrug 00:13:59 git's like I was just never prompted 00:14:09 did gitorious just go wacko? 00:14:13 who knows 00:14:14 -!- kawakimi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:18 sigh 00:14:33 question is, is this a problem 00:14:51 gammafunk: you can try `git reflog origin/master` to see where master was before you pushed over it 00:14:52 not really, just cherry-pick be7af99 back onto master and push it back up 00:15:02 that's the only commit that was lost, i think 00:15:10 doy: yeah I just don't know if any servers got PF's commit 00:15:16 &versions 00:15:26 I think CXC just missed it, thankfully 00:15:39 CAO: 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f, CBRO: 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f, CDO: 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f, CLAN: 0.17-a0-484-g0e03f6a, CPO: 0.17-a0-489-gbe7af99, CSZO: 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac, CWZ: 0.17-a0-157-g289cc6a, CXC: 0.17-a0-488-g0a147b9, LLD: 0.17-a0-375-g363254b 00:16:18 yeah, i don't know how servers handle that, although i imagine it should be fine regardless, probably 00:16:37 ... 00:16:49 CPO: 0.17-a0-489-gbe7af99, CSZO: 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac 00:17:17 looks like you force-pushed between the cpo build and the cszo build 00:17:18 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:17:30 %git g3d1acac 00:17:30 Could not find commit g3d1acac (git returned 128) 00:17:38 %git 3d1acac 00:17:38 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac: Fixe compilation for console builds 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d1acac74fd3 00:17:51 %git be7af99 00:17:51 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-489-gbe7af99: Improve shroud of golubria messaging (Haifisch) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/be7af99f1941 00:18:33 I guess it's a question for chequers 00:18:41 since only his server got the clobbered commit 00:18:44 yeah 00:19:20 gonna be a couple devs (obviously PleasingFungus) who will likewise be confused 00:19:30 yeah 00:19:35 shouldn't be a huge deal though 00:19:44 alright 00:19:52 so, if i have spells on a/b, and abilities also on a/b, then =aab prints "swapping with [...]", where =sab prints the new letters for each of them. is there a reason for that? if not, which is preferred? i'll see if i can regularise them 00:19:54 well I checked my shell, I just did git push 00:20:13 that's pretty weird! 00:20:17 gammafunk: what version of git? 00:20:21 and likely gitorious's fault 00:20:29 same version I've been using a long time 00:20:54 before version 2.0, the default version of "git push" with no other args is to push all local branches to the mathcing upstreams, rather than just the one you're on 00:20:56 yeah maybe gitorious just was acting weird somehow 00:21:08 amalloy: shouldn't affect force pushing vs not though 00:21:38 yes, the point is that gitorious should have seen that I was missing commits 00:21:49 indeed, i wouldn't think so. but if gammafunk did something like `git push --force` while on moonbase, it might also force-push master 00:22:12 my command there was git push --force origin moon_base 00:22:22 and the only update message I got was to moon_base 00:22:33 then I pushed moon_base to master (after merging in master) 00:22:38 and PF made his commit 00:22:47 then I made the console fix and pushed from master 00:22:54 without having pulled PF's commit 00:23:08 -!- jmr_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:11 many my git is 2.1.0 anyhow 00:23:15 yeah the only answer i can think of there is gitorious blows 00:23:15 *and my 00:23:21 bow that it does 00:23:28 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:23:30 god, my keyboard 00:23:43 50/50 chance between gitorious or my keyboard 00:23:51 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:02 i think in all this git hullabullo my last question about actually crawl probably got missed: if i have spells on a/b, and abilities also on a/b, then =aab prints "swapping with [...]", where =sab prints the new letters for each of them. is there a reason for that? if not, which is preferred? i'll see if i can regularise them 00:24:38 -!- Krenium has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:39 -!- appleKen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:44 -!- DrStalker has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:54 the spell version seems more useful 00:25:16 yeah I can't see why not printing that is better somehow for abilities 00:25:26 ability names might get very long? 00:25:37 but that seems no good reason 00:25:46 the exact messages are "_Swapping with: b - Forget Spell" and "_b - Magic Dart; a - Apportation" 00:26:27 probably just not implemented at the same time, and different people chose different messages 00:28:09 what is the difference between mprf_nocap and mprf? 00:28:30 !function mprf_nocap 00:28:31 1/3. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#l1026 00:29:48 !function do_message_print 00:29:48 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#l990 00:30:09 !function _mpr 00:30:09 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#l1208 00:30:33 capitalization 00:31:00 haha 00:31:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:01 I wonder if PF got confused by master 00:32:08 I don't have his commit to cherry pick 00:32:28 and it looks like =i acts the same way as =s, further suggesting that =a should be changed 00:32:38 so i will do that 00:33:38 !tell PleasingFungus It looks like gitorious just ate your commit and didn't prompt me when I pushed, causing a force-push to master, so can you make be7af99 again? 00:33:38 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:34:05 ??flag_day 00:34:05 flag day[1/1]: The day our push urls move from {gitorious} to {github}. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html 00:34:06 fr 00:40:06 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:00 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:43:13 !vault nicolae_quartered_pool_super 00:43:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#l1795 00:47:41 &rc hurricos 00:47:42 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Hurricos.rc 00:47:57 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:58 The build is still failing. (master - 3d1acac #2220 : gammafunk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57752524 00:47:59 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:49:22 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:30 !stats defe 00:52:32 Starting stats for DEFE: Str 5 Int 19 Dex 15. Stat gain: i/4 00:52:56 for my last patch it was suggested i create a github PR as well as a mantis ticket + patch file, but i don't think anyone but me ever looked at the PR. should i do the same thing again, or just file a mantis ticket + patch? 00:53:42 -!- sanddemon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:53:43 hrm, yeah it's a bit awkward until we do make the switch to github and even then may take us getting used to a new workflow 00:53:57 I'd say mantis ticket + patch is good for now 00:54:10 then you can bother people with the bug command 00:54:19 be like, hey doy, check out this cool url 00:54:24 !bug 9999 00:54:24 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9999 00:54:44 until he either merges our patch or kickbans you 00:54:56 !cmd !bug 00:54:56 Command: !bug => .echo https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=${1:-6767} 00:55:06 yeah, pull requests will be a useful way to go in the future, but they are less useful at the moment because we can't just click a button to merge them 00:55:13 !bug 00:55:13 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6767 00:55:26 6767... 00:55:42 pretty solid bug 00:55:45 haha 00:56:01 ah yes, classic Thrall 00:56:07 I'd forgotten about thrall 00:56:11 -!- Arkive has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:57:00 ??mantis 00:57:00 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 01:00:49 gammafunk: 01:00:49 !bug 9621 01:00:49 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9621 01:00:57 you are now responsible for it since you accidentally called it "our patch" 01:01:09 my keyboard strikes again! 01:01:30 yeah I said I'd merge your other patch last night 01:01:48 so I'll say I'll merge that one...well tonight I guess, but tonight being in like 12 hours 01:02:00 since the moon base is done I can actually do it 01:02:02 i am keeping my disappointment bottled up inside 01:02:27 think of it this way 01:02:34 you'll get a two-commit commitstorm when I merge them both 01:02:50 it'll be a tie for my longest streak 01:02:55 but in commits instead of wins 01:03:02 !streak 01:03:05 gammafunk has 2 consecutive wins (HEIE, DgWn; HuSu, MfSk). 01:03:11 !streak 01:03:12 amalloy has 2 consecutive wins (MiCK, DDAs; HaAr, TrAK) and has won their last game (SpEn). 01:03:15 crap my commitstreak is also longer 01:03:52 FR !gitstreak 01:04:10 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:04:52 Make =aab print the same sorts of messages as =sab and =iab 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9621 by amalloy 01:04:52 oh whoops, i left in a needless static_cast 01:04:52 patch in need of repair 01:04:59 ...huh 01:05:25 oh nm, that wasn't printed beore 01:05:30 *before 01:10:18 gammafunk: my server is fine, but thanks for checking 01:10:29 (I anticipated this :P) 01:15:24 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:58 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:28:26 this is a nice unanticipated benefit of playing FeBe: it is so miserable that anytime i notice something a little out of place i am thrilled to go source diving to fix it instead of continuing to play 01:29:18 my first couple dozen games were FeAK, OpBe and a few other Op/Fe variants (non magic) 01:29:32 the game was a LOT easier when I finally tried MiBe 01:30:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:30:18 chequers: glad it didn't break anything 01:30:30 still have no clue how it happened 01:30:37 I checked the gitorious output from my push 01:30:55 git push 01:30:55 Counting objects: 5, done. 01:30:56 Delta compression using up to 3 threads. 01:30:56 Compressing objects: 100% (5/5), done. 01:30:56 Writing objects: 100% (5/5), 467 bytes | 0 bytes/s, done. 01:30:58 Total 5 (delta 4), reused 0 (delta 0) 01:31:00 To git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git 0a147b9..3d1acac master -> master 01:31:18 %git 0a147b9 01:32:32 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-488-g0a147b9: A new wizlab: Lehudib's Moon Base 10(7 months ago, 8 files, 203+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a147b9ce386 01:32:32 do you have any .gitconfig? 01:32:32 %git 3d1acac 01:32:32 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac: Fixe compilation for console builds 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d1acac74fd3 01:32:32 well if it were a force-push, it'd say that in the ouput 01:32:32 and yeah I have a bunch of git config, 01:32:47 for instance 01:32:53 To git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git + 1bb9a82...8addc3a moon_base -> moon_base (forced update) 01:33:01 when I did an actual force push 01:33:18 but somehow gitorious just magically ignored PF's commit 01:34:02 wouldn't be surprised if gitorious is breaking down 01:34:19 slightly afraid to ask, but will crawl-ref/ vanish before the official flipover? 01:35:21 seems we're leaning towards no 01:35:33 but i'm not sure if that's truly decided 01:35:54 is stone_soup-0.16 a bugfix branch, for backporting fixes from master to 0.16? 01:36:09 it's first and foremost the release branch 01:36:18 our release process for 0.16 involved creating that 01:36:29 i noticed that my dithmenos shadow mimicking patch was applied to both master and 0.16 01:36:40 but yeah we do make the subreleases from that 01:36:53 yeah |amethyst backported it for when we do 0.16.2 01:37:07 so it's for the 0.16.0 release and all 0.16.X releases 01:37:13 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:37:54 *nod* 01:39:05 note that online servers run the latest commit in that branch, so online 0.16 != offline 0.16 01:39:33 -!- jmr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:05 !lm * cv=0.16 x=vlong src=cwz 01:40:06 31112. [2015-04-09 06:39:55] [vlong=0.16.1-2-g95b8d4c] cocker27 the Grave Robber (L1 DsNe) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 01:40:23 %git stone_soup-0.16 01:40:26 07amalloy02 {|amethyst} * 0.16.1-12-gf5c4a84: Fix targeting of Dithmenos spell-shadowing (#9614) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5c4a84b6376 01:40:32 except sadly when they don't 01:40:49 which can be very painful when a game-breaking bug occurs in tournament 01:40:52 are cwz1 & 2 live yet? 01:41:00 !kw cwz1 01:41:00 No keyword 'cwz1' 01:41:03 guess not 01:41:19 well we were officially not adding new offici..er new servers until we get unified login 01:41:33 but maybe those aren't really new servers 01:41:35 ah yes 01:41:37 does that mean 0.16 users will get the "migrate your save to latest version xxxx?" message like trunk players get? or is stuff on the maintenance branch considered stable enough that it gets migrated automatically? 01:42:02 up to server admins, chequers force upgrades users 01:42:16 users on other servers...actually for stable yeah I think they get forced as well 01:42:41 &dump 01:42:41 we'd never break save compat in a point release, etc 01:42:41 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/amalloy/amalloy.txt 01:42:56 ah, indeed i was force upgraded 01:43:11 but chequers force upgrades even trunk 01:43:12 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:21 most servers don't do that though 01:43:26 would it make dev any easier if you killed all the old save compat logic? like re: the person playing 0.16 in forest 01:43:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:03 not removing all save compat -- keeping minimal compat to preserve saves across nearby versions, but not across builds more than a week apart 01:44:46 oh you mean regular purges I guess 01:44:59 it would lead to a lot more admin headaches of responding to "my game is broken" 01:45:18 it would save space if I force updated. but meh. 01:45:21 perhaps if we had a system to say to users "haha your game is nuked deal with it" 01:45:37 e.g. it gave them an indication of what happened 01:45:45 if that was simply an expectation of playing trunk 01:46:03 well that's just it, not all users have any concept of "trunk" and have few expectation 01:46:04 but I was thinking you can simply have a background process to load everyone's save each day, if you wanted to migrate them even while offline 01:46:06 s 01:46:18 the cszo/clan/cbro/cxc dgamelaunch servers have cron jobs that check if there are any saves for a particular version. if not, it deletes the binary 01:46:23 for that version 01:47:27 |amethyst can probably comment a lot better on all the issue that or other schemes might have 01:47:43 we do strive pretty hard for save compat at present 01:48:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:51 i think save compat is in general good, I'm just wondering how much dev effort maintaining it is 01:51:56 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:52:53 chequers: have you read this? http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/save-compatibility-in-dcss-2 01:54:34 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:56:30 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:57:10 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:13 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:13 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:01:11 wow that's pretty nuts 02:02:15 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:47 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07:08 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:23 <|amethyst> IMO breaking save compat is a no-go 02:07:29 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:32 <|amethyst> I mean, if it happens infrequently that's one thing 02:07:39 <|amethyst> but regularly... 02:08:21 <|amethyst> even ignoring trunk, what happens if a Debian or Ubuntu user does an OS upgrade and now they can't play their game? 02:08:49 I think breaking compatibility between major releases would be quite easy to explain 02:09:04 <|amethyst> hm 02:09:20 <|amethyst> I guess we did that for six or seven years after all 02:09:37 I'm really truly just asking because I'm interesting in how much dev time it takes to maintain save compatibility beyond a couple of trunk revisions 02:10:01 like in the code now I see support for lava orcs -- what does it cost to keep stuff that old in terms of maintenance overhead 02:11:54 <|amethyst> Well, we don't care that much if removed things are buggy :) 02:13:01 <|amethyst> It does bloat the code, though 02:13:41 -!- floatRand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:59 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:15:07 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:27 -!- giann54 has quit [Quit: Bye!] 02:16:02 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:21 |amethyst, the problem is not only bloat, but the fact that the code for handling really old version is effectively dead 02:19:40 and therefore nobody can really vouch for its correctness in combination with the cruft that accumulated after it 02:19:48 <|amethyst> that's true 02:20:02 so maintaining compatibility forever is not really a good thing either 02:20:07 <|amethyst> but I don't think rolling compatibility would really solve that 02:20:29 and major releases are as good of an arbitrary breaking point as they get 02:22:02 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:34 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-489-g3d1acac (34) 02:23:10 <|amethyst> yeah, I think fixed breaking points would be better than trying to maintain rolling compatibility (e.g. where -100 => -200 => -300 works but -100 => -300 does not) 02:23:31 <|amethyst> but I think "just before release" is a bad time for that 02:23:47 <|amethyst> because major version bumps introduce bugs 02:24:00 <|amethyst> for example, because of enum reordering 02:24:21 but if it's bumped every major release, there won't be nearly as much cruft accumulated, so it will be less of a problem 02:24:53 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:24:56 that does not apply to 0.17 of course 02:25:01 but to subsequent releases 02:25:27 if it's decided that 0.17 won't be compatible to 0.16, then bumping the major version can happen at any point during its development cycle 02:26:12 it might accumulate a few minor tag versions until the release, but that also doesn't seem to be a problem 02:29:48 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:19 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:34:03 <|amethyst> we'll have to bump the major version sometime in the next ~2.5 years anyway 02:34:15 <|amethyst> because we'll be out of minor versions :) 02:35:25 <|amethyst> (TAG_MINOR_VERSION = 139 right now, and it's marshalled as an unsigned byte) 02:36:23 <|amethyst> %git ed95631 02:36:26 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-109-ged95631: Bump save compat, in order to recover from monster_spells. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 27 files, 12+ 637-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed9563133047 02:38:14 I think it'd be better to bump it before we are forced to 02:44:28 <|amethyst> 134 files changed, 20 insertions(+), 7675 deletions(-) that doesn't count non-C++ files like art-data.txt and rltiles/dc-* 02:47:53 that looks like a -lot- of deletions 02:48:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48:39 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:51:39 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55:40 -!- floatRand has left ##crawl-dev 02:59:02 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:59:55 -!- floatRand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:01:35 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 03:12:14 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:19:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:25:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30:22 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:24 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:44 <|amethyst> hm 03:32:29 Guise. You guise. 03:32:36 There should totally be an artifact spear called Sting's Stung Stinger of Stinging. 03:32:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: should the moon troll have M_NO_POLY_TO | M_NO_GEN_DERIVED ? 03:32:44 Or maybe even Pierce's Pierced Piercer of Piercing. 03:32:47 Just saying. 03:33:24 <|amethyst> puff puff pass, man 03:37:57 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:57 -!- alefury has quit [] 03:44:12 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-490-g834d32a: Fix some compilation failures on the next major bump 10(13 minutes ago, 6 files, 21+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/834d32a21f32 03:44:15 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:46:59 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:50:37 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:00 -!- Umbreoni has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:51:12 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:55:56 -!- sk3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-491-gbd49765: Keep moon trolls on the moon. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd4976518292 03:59:32 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:00:24 <|amethyst> Hm... if I break save compat it will push me into the positive millimarvins 04:02:48 <|amethyst> I still don't think it's something we should do on every release 04:03:24 <|amethyst> and it would be nice to determine what else could use rearranging 04:04:10 <|amethyst> (besides the enums that are already scheduled for that) 04:05:16 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:06:14 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 04:10:05 fr: trolls should start with large rocks on autopickup, no matter their class 04:13:41 |amethyst, well, could just serialize an id->monster name map, and then use the ids instead of enum entries when saving monsters, and map back the names to enum entries when reading the save 04:14:18 then enum reordering would be decoupled from save compatibiltiy, at the cost of modest save file size increase 04:14:26 <|amethyst> I had been thinking about that a while ago 04:14:35 <|amethyst> but that does prevent you from renaming monsters 04:14:52 you could just have another map of old to new names 04:15:16 which is just data, and data is not as prone to rotting or being crufty as code 04:16:27 of course, could also use something like an ever-increasing counter instead of names 04:17:37 <|amethyst> well, ignoring save compat breaks that's what our saved enums are 04:17:54 yes, except these would never be reused or changed for a single monster type at all 04:18:11 sort of like a synthetic primary key 04:19:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:31 they could of course be used internally instead of enums too 04:19:33 hm 04:19:54 <|amethyst> still sounds like an enum :) 04:20:22 well, in the sense that it would be a bunch of constants, yes, but their values would not depend on their location in code 04:20:54 <|amethyst> hm 04:21:16 this would actually be trivial to implement with a little code generation infrastructure 04:21:30 <|amethyst> ? 04:21:43 <|amethyst> How would you verify that the value has not been used in another branch? 04:22:50 <|amethyst> I was thinking just don't use auto-increment in the enum 04:22:57 <|amethyst> write = NNNN on every entry 04:22:59 well yes, that is essentially what it would be 04:23:09 and you would probably want a code generator to fill in the NNNN 04:23:14 <|amethyst> but you still have to make sure no one reuses the numbers across different branches 04:23:28 they can just start at 10000 or something absurd like that 04:23:47 well, every branch could pick their own absurd range 04:23:49 to avoid conflicts 04:24:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:25:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:38 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 04:26:50 |amethyst, alternatively, could add textual identifiers that are not necessarily the player-visible names, and stop worrying about numbers 04:27:04 |amethyst, then monsters from different branches could just have a common prefix 04:27:30 but that is probably too much infrastructure, that would be more appropriate if we expected an influx of mods 04:32:36 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:37 The build was fixed. 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(master - bd49765 #2222 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57771556 05:11:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 05:14:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:19:19 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:22:02 -!- domiryuu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22:52 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:30:26 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:35:18 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:43:09 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:43:17 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:21 -!- Dave is now known as Guest17432 05:56:24 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:51 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:19 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:06:24 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:01 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:18:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:11 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:21:18 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:24:17 -!- Guest17432 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:31:20 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 06:57:25 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:47 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06:12 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:24 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:17:04 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:17:59 why do ash altars show up when i search 'hat' 07:22:11 <|amethyst> "shattered altar of Ashenzari" 07:22:26 aha 07:23:41 Would it be hard to implement some sort of filtering commands on the previous messages screen ? 07:23:59 Like: Combat / God / Skills / Discovery 07:24:12 <|amethyst> like that, yes 07:24:22 <|amethyst> since we don't have separate message channels for all those things 07:24:57 <|amethyst> filtering by a text search or by message channel probably wouldn't be terrible to implement 07:25:00 <|amethyst> hm 07:25:40 so message are colored but without knowledge of what they are about ? 07:26:10 <|amethyst> they have several categories 07:26:16 <|amethyst> it's just that "skills" for example is not one 07:26:20 <|amethyst> nor "discovery" 07:26:27 oh ok 07:26:38 but filtering on those 'categories' would be possible ? 07:26:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:27:08 <|amethyst> Yes, with some work 07:27:14 <|amethyst> it already does that to some extent 07:27:25 <|amethyst> which is why you don't see prompts when you do ctrl-p 07:27:40 ok 07:28:20 because looking through a list of hundreds of combat messages to get to more interesting history is quite annoying 07:29:05 <|amethyst> (if you're interested, the list of message channels is at:) 07:29:07 <|amethyst> !source options_guide.txt:1568 07:29:08 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt#l1568 07:29:56 <|amethyst> chequers: if you want an interesting search, do ?/I in 0.13 07:30:19 <|amethyst> chequers: I don't think it was actually fixed... it's just that there aren't caps anymore 07:30:34 <|amethyst> chequers: err, ?/Icap 07:30:40 <|amethyst> Cap 07:30:41 <|amethyst> A cloth or leather cap. 07:30:41 <|amethyst> Accuracy rating: +3 Damage rating: 9 Base attack delay: 120% 07:30:58 heh 07:31:07 how? 07:31:44 <|amethyst> "captain's cutlass" 07:33:07 heh 07:33:16 hm, are troves meant to be in d? 07:33:28 the file looks like it's specifically designed for depths 07:34:07 <|amethyst> ? 07:34:13 <|amethyst> what do you mean? 07:34:17 *tile 07:34:29 !lm * br.enter=trove recent s=place 07:34:29 4549 milestones for * (br.enter=trove recent): 4549x Trove 07:34:34 !lm * br.enter=trove recent 07:34:35 4549. [2015-04-09 12:01:35] Gerad the Fencer (L22 VSBe of Trog) entered a treasure trove on turn 49066. (Elf:3) 07:34:39 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=trove recent s=oplace 07:34:40 4549 milestones for * (br.enter=trove recent): 446x D:10, 441x D:11, 398x D:12, 352x D:13, 327x D:14, 277x D:15, 250x Vaults:1, 238x Elf:1, 231x Elf:2, 221x Vaults:2, 221x Vaults:3, 214x Vaults:4, 213x Depths:1, 189x Elf:3, 151x Depths:2, 130x Depths:3, 130x Depths:4, 120x Depths:5 07:34:58 guess this is just unusual for me ten 07:35:00 <|amethyst> which tile, the entrance? 07:35:21 yeah, it looks like the blue surround is meant to represent floor 07:36:37 !lg . killer=salamander_stormcaller 07:36:38 No games for chequers (killer=salamander_stormcaller). 07:36:42 !lg * killer=salamander_stormcaller 07:36:43 1. jackrogers the Skirmisher (L1 VpAK of Lugonu), incinerated by a salamander stormcaller (sticky flame) on Abyss:1 on 2015-04-07 01:25:04, with 0 points after 77 turns and 0:00:34. 07:36:53 wow, phew, i wasn't the first death for that one too 07:42:23 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:44 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:51:57 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56:06 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:31 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:02:47 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 08:04:34 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12:19 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 08:19:09 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:19:58 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:36 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:27:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:42:40 -!- Limulus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:10 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:46:36 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:56 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52:58 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:53:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:53:35 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:03:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:24 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:18:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:39 this conversation was kind of a while ago, but i don't think it's spoilery which monsters have breath timers 09:24:40 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:25:02 since when they use spells, it says that they're out of breath (even easier for tiles players to see too) 09:25:17 well, when they specifically use their breath-timed spells 09:25:18 !messages 09:25:19 (1/2) gammafunk said (16h 29m 24s ago): After talking with golthoon, do you feel you have knack for interacting with the more...combustive...members of our community? 09:25:24 gammafunk: lol no 09:25:26 !messages 09:25:26 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (12h 3m 17s ago): the thing where monster descriptions claim that they're weak enough to be recited to, even when they can't be recited to at all, seems unfortunate 09:25:35 wheals: we want "dragon (catching breath)" in the console monster list!!! 09:25:59 but yes, this should go into x-v 09:26:13 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:18 yeah, wonder how best to display it 09:26:19 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.1/20150402191859]] 09:26:52 I tell you, we need to get those diacritics on unicode to work. 09:27:14 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 09:27:46 Ctrl-X would be another good place to mention this. (Btw, the layout of Ctrl-X got worse at some point. I wonder if I should tell ChrisOelmueller?!) 09:28:47 dammit, you're reminding me to work on his branch to improve the layout of m :p 09:29:00 m is not finished? 09:29:14 it certainly looked better recently 09:29:46 it's sort of a redesign, looking a bit more like the shopping menu in terms of the toggles 09:30:20 yes 09:30:21 %git skillmenu^^^^ 09:30:22 07ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} * 0.16-a0-4081-g01c0d03: Redesign skill menu text (mostly legend, plus minor tweaks) 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 87+ 62-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/01c0d03ed83e 09:31:00 definitely nice to have a consistent look and feel between menus 09:31:19 * wheals looks in his dictionary for more UI buzzwords 09:31:22 * dpeg mutters something about Ctrl-F "shop" still being broken. 09:31:34 wheals: modality is bad! I learned this from haranp. 09:32:52 and Chris is very much anti-modal, as it happens. (I have introduced a number of modal things, like 'cc' for quick chopping.) 09:35:15 while we're talking interface: would it be hard to implement crate's suggestion that the game will auto-pickup anything stackable that you already carry? 09:38:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:52 gammafunk: the reason you didn't get my commit is because I switched my remote over to github; I never pushed it to gitorious. I honestly thought we'd already switched off 09:38:52 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:39:10 PleasingFungus: lol 09:39:28 ok, good, I kind of suspected this but for some reason never checked 09:39:33 maybe because I didn't know how 09:40:07 was going crazy over here tryig to figure out how I force-pushed over your commit 09:41:20 ya I saw 09:41:21 doy: mystery solved re: the force-push 09:41:43 what remains to be done before we *can* switch to github and turn off the gitorious replication? 09:43:14 -!- BlasterBlade has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:03 I think the servers need to all be updated to fetch from github 09:44:15 dpeg: sorry, i was going to look into ctrl-f shop and forgot :( 09:44:32 gammafunk: i think |amethyst already changed cao/cszo, don't know if johnstein did cbro 09:44:45 yeah cbro is update iirc 09:44:59 but lld, cwz, not sure about cxc and clan and cdo 09:45:13 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:20 but also |amethyst knows what all needs to be updated better than I 09:50:19 EmilioHeskey (L6 DsGl) ASSERT(load_mode != LOAD_VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1346 failed. (D:255) 09:50:24 CBRO has been using github for about a week 09:50:38 oh. yea. gammafunk said that 09:50:51 !lm * max=lvl 09:50:56 14500198. [2015-01-28 14:50:16] zeroero the Ducker (L5 GhGl) ASSERT(load mode != LOAD VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1336 failed on turn 3715. (D:255) 09:51:02 good 09:51:06 !crashlog 09:51:07 11078. EmilioHeskey, XL6 DsGl, T:2567 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/EmilioHeskey/crash-EmilioHeskey-20150409-145018.txt 09:52:55 hrm 09:53:52 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:54:08 I'm getting declined when trying to push to gitorious 09:54:15 ! [remote rejected] master -> master (pre-receive hook declined) 09:55:26 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:55:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:00 and now I just get fatal: Could not read from remote repository. 09:57:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:58:11 isn't crawl migrating to github? 09:58:55 yes, but it hasn't quite yet - so if I push updates to github, they'll get overwritten 09:58:57 as i learned yesterday 09:59:28 damn, the perils of moving shop :( 10:00:16 v0v 10:00:33 didn't actually lose any work, just a little frustrated that I can't contribute anything at all.. 10:02:35 PleasingFungus: we finally found a way to force you to retire 10:02:40 It's for your own good! 10:02:51 r i p 10:02:58 PleasingFungus: but it's odd that you can't push to gitorious 10:03:12 what url do you have for git remote show origin 10:03:22