00:00:11 -!- lnr has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:00:24 dropping down to three uniform brand sets feels drastic to me, but i don't know if that's actually based on anything meaningful because i haven't really looked at the existing code 00:01:09 i think there might be some special cases around where the speed brand can generate that might be meaningful to keep 00:01:55 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:31 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.1-12-gf5c4a84 00:03:21 -!- PLAYVERYSLOWLY has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:03:52 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 00:05:01 Some would say that the earth is our moon. But that would belittle the name of our moon, which is “The Moon.” 00:05:41 PleasingFungus: what brands constitute the "good set" and "bad set"? 00:05:52 like flame/freeze vs venom/protection? or something else 00:07:28 rip Cheibriados I guess 00:07:30 my opinion is: the same chance for all weapon brands, because while it would be nice to differentiate weapon types this probably isn't the way to do it 00:07:43 *same chance for all weapon types 00:07:48 ok was going to say 00:07:51 %git 00:07:51 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f: Add amalloy to mailmap and credits. 10(7 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/810ce3f37bca 00:07:53 huh 00:08:12 |amethyst: Cheibriados didn't announce the branch I made on gitorious 00:08:23 <|amethyst> is it on github yet? 00:08:31 well it was a couple minutes ago 00:08:35 but I guess not! 00:08:37 |amethyst: reasonable question; I don't have a strong opinion off the top of my head 00:08:56 it's not on github 00:09:14 oh hey, the brand generation code is much, much nicer than the last time i looked at it 00:09:20 chequers: yeah probably something like that; it would be cool to play around with vamp/antimagic but it's hard, since they're necessarily pretty rare 00:09:23 that does make things easier(: 00:09:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:09:37 doy: wheals, reaverb & I cleaned it up 00:09:47 PleasingFungus: the more controversial part of my opinion is to make less-good brands better 00:09:55 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:21 <|amethyst> vorpal was improved not too long ago I think 00:10:38 I'd support that for protection; venom idk 00:10:40 yeah, vorpal, poison and protection are the brands I think need work 00:10:51 I don't think vorpal needs work at all 00:10:51 <|amethyst> venom I think is fine 00:10:55 vorpal is boring but I'm not sure it's bad 00:10:55 vorpal is very good 00:11:11 if you want to argue that it's boring, then yeah I guess I could see that 00:11:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: rename it to earth brand 00:11:41 <|amethyst> bam, not boring anymore 00:11:45 <|amethyst> and completes a cycle 00:11:46 |amethyst: moon brand 00:11:49 mostly I think it's boring, and such should be removed 00:12:20 chequers: what's your opinion of speed brand 00:12:46 aw, you can't get broad axes of speed from hell knights anymore 00:12:47 (: 00:12:50 there's such a focus on mindelay that messing with it is fun! also it's exceedingly rare and significantly more powerful than other brand 00:13:10 (but if speed brand was brought into line with other brands, it would become boring) 00:13:11 speed isn't *significantly* more powerful than other brands anymore, i don't think? 00:14:06 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16.1-12-gf5c4a84 (34) 00:14:14 it's like +50% on dwhip isn't it? 00:14:43 yeah I'm not sure why github isn't getting the branch 00:14:54 <_miek> well speed is tricky because you're attacking faster but bypassing less AC 00:15:08 doy: any reason why github wouldn't see a newly created branch? 00:15:22 <|amethyst> ? 00:15:26 let me check 00:15:33 <|amethyst> oh, bypassing less AC than vorpal? 00:15:51 <_miek> yeah than vorpal 00:16:06 <_miek> sorry, yeah you're definitely better off than no brand at all 00:16:56 New branch created: moon_base (4 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/moon_base 00:16:58 03gammafunk02 07[moon_base] * 0.17-a0-484-gfe1b08b: Add a blue volcanic rock variant 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe1b08bf6d82 00:16:58 03gammafunk02 07[moon_base] * 0.17-a0-485-g04461aa: Rename green crystal wall to simply crystal wall 10(65 minutes ago, 27 files, 45+ 46-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/04461aa8cba8 00:16:58 03gammafunk02 07[moon_base] * 0.17-a0-486-g30a5953: Allow colour changes of crystal walls to automatically change the tile 10(23 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/30a5953eaa4f 00:16:58 03gammafunk02 07[moon_base] * 0.17-a0-487-g1bb9a82: A new wizlab: The Moon Base of Grix 10(7 months ago, 8 files, 195+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1bb9a820406a 00:17:00 crawlcombat makes it hard to tell whether speed brand really is much more powerful vs whether it's just old crawl lore forever passed down 00:17:05 !!! 00:17:11 looks like gitorious was just failing at webhooks 00:17:16 grix...! 00:17:17 I'm just so mad that my moon quote was ill-timed 00:17:26 !learn add githubpoke http://tozt.net:9876/crawl 00:17:27 githubpoke[1/1]: http://tozt.net:9876/crawl 00:17:29 I had that moon quote ready to go and then github messed it up 00:17:31 haha 00:17:36 githubpoke 00:17:42 a poke for all things! 00:17:59 gammafunk: people are going to assume that the moon troll is named grix 00:18:00 you know that, right 00:18:11 well, that's a possibility I guess! 00:18:19 moon base 00:18:30 PleasingFungus: grix is the best alien name I could come up with after a bunch of "alien name generator" searches and the like, but suggestions welcome 00:18:33 haha 00:18:35 simmarine: it's on the moon 00:18:36 I'll think about it 00:18:41 how about: gloorx vloq 00:18:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: didn't faze Mary Shelley 00:18:52 lore question: does DCSS have a moon? 00:18:55 yeah that name posses problems for good alient names! 00:18:58 *alien 00:19:03 since it sounds like an alien name 00:19:10 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f (34) 00:19:35 chequers: lore questions are always answered by whatever the most convenient answer is 00:19:40 <_miek> chequers: well it has moon troll learther armour 00:19:43 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:57 dcss has remote galaxies turned into horrible monsters 00:20:01 so I think it can handle 00:20:02 a moon 00:20:29 <_miek> what's that? starcursed mass? 00:20:32 yes 00:20:33 ya 00:20:36 chequers: canonically, crawl possesses several egyptian pharoahs 00:20:40 -!- lnr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:20:40 (sp) 00:20:43 including one who, ah 00:21:03 @The_monster@ yells @to_foe@, "Into the Nile with you!" 00:21:13 haha 00:21:20 oddly dpeg said once that pirates were verboten 00:21:22 heh 00:21:32 maybe moon troll leather armour sucks a bit for unrand 00:21:35 and guess who delivered a lecture about the history of pirates on crd 00:21:43 +4 is the TLA cap anyway 00:21:44 it...what now 00:21:48 ? it's good... 00:21:55 very confused by this. 00:22:05 do you undertand what 2x regen + gspirit are? 00:22:05 (moon logic !?) 00:22:05 those are very good things 00:22:26 yes, but you're only saving one extra slot 00:22:31 from TLA + guardian spirit 00:22:41 ...huh 00:22:45 i dunno, it just seems underwhelming 00:22:57 is this the 'zigscummer perspective' 00:22:57 <_miek> its double the regen still though 00:23:03 <|amethyst> 11TT 00:23:05 why are you assuming that you *have* guardian spirit 00:23:07 <|amethyst> 13,0hh 00:23:08 it's TLA, with more regen, with gspirit 00:23:18 oh, it's regen++?? i can't read art-data.txt 00:23:22 nevermind! 00:23:22 <_miek> its bad because you don't have much AC 00:23:31 <_miek> otherwise its very good 00:23:36 chequers: the regen thing has always been confusing on mtla 00:23:56 <|amethyst> or I guess that should be 1,13hh 00:23:56 I think it might be less confusing these days but who knows 00:24:05 <_miek> intrinsic regen (that doesn't stack with being a Troll) and ego regen (which stacks with all sources) 00:24:08 |amethyst: ? 00:24:13 <|amethyst> 11TT 00:24:13 _miek: it does now!!! 00:24:15 yeah I'm not sure the xv on it says 00:24:18 <|amethyst> 1,13hh 00:24:23 <|amethyst> moon trolls over my hammy 00:24:29 oh god fuck you 00:24:32 I can't deal with this. 00:24:33 |amethyst has been hit by moon beams, he's gone mad! 00:24:34 <_miek> wait the intrinsic regen of TLA stacks with being a troll? 00:24:35 I'm going to bed. 00:24:39 <|amethyst> sorry! 00:24:39 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 00:24:50 minmay: yes 00:24:52 er 00:24:54 _miek: yes 00:24:55 _miek: i submitted that patch like 5 days ago 00:25:15 <_miek> awesome! 00:25:16 <|amethyst> I fed my iron troll the skin of other iron trolls 00:25:18 _miek: enjoy your next week of dead trmo on d:3-6 00:25:34 how do you kill a drmo on d:3-6 00:25:36 *trmo 00:25:46 <_miek> it was always annoying having to say "all sources of regen stack (except this one case which is a little tricky to explain)" 00:25:52 !lg . trmo 00:25:53 27. chequers the Ruffian (L4 TrMo), slain by Grinder on D:3 on 2015-03-31 07:25:47, with 108 points after 1191 turns and 0:01:49. 00:26:00 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26:02 <|amethyst> !lg * trmo place=d depth>=3 depth<=6 s=ckiller 00:26:02 Unknown field: depth 00:26:10 <|amethyst> !lg * trmo place=d lvl>=3 lvl<=6 s=ckiller 00:26:13 13058 games for * (trmo place=d lvl>=3 lvl<=6): 1355x a player ghost, 1132x an orc priest, 1056x a gnoll, 899x an orc wizard, 877x an ogre, 852x an orc, 721x an orc warrior, 531x Grinder, 403x Sigmund, 371x Prince Ribbit, 366x a centaur, 257x Duvessa, 235x Pikel, 223x quitting, 221x Menkaure, 141x an iguana, 141x a killer bee, 130x Dowan, 123x a kobold, 122x starvation, 121x a worker ant, 116x a s... 00:26:22 you all are some real sad trolls 00:26:25 <|amethyst> by fighting player ghosts it seems 00:26:29 -!- lnr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:26:35 as if a troll would run away 00:26:37 <|amethyst> the player ghost is the real troll! 00:26:43 you're playing in a completely unrealistic manner 00:26:54 trolls should have perma Mesm 00:27:03 just find the obsidian axe 00:27:10 wow... fr 00:27:10 then you can trollplay 00:27:20 <|amethyst> gj roleplaying that 6...dammit gammafunk 00:27:25 * chequers groans 00:28:24 -!- lnr has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:28:34 ??mesm 00:28:35 mesmerise[1/5]: Being mesmerised means you can't move away from the siren/avatar and cannot go berserk. You can still cast spells. Mesmerisation can be broken by breaking LOS with the siren/avatar; killing or confusing it; reading a scroll of noise or silence; or zapping a wand of lightning. Clarity prevents it and MR resists it. 00:28:45 !tell nicolae- Comments welcome: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1bb9a820406aac2b19d991fdb2e8c1e535144313 00:28:45 gammafunk: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 00:28:46 -!- lnr has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:29:37 <_miek> heh that could be an interesting race idea 00:33:29 if you are mesm, can you be drowned? 00:33:41 if the siren/avatar is in deep water? 00:34:01 -!- lnr has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:34:02 oh. I should have asked that in ##crawl 00:35:36 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 00:36:25 <|amethyst> if you have temp flight 00:36:46 yes, but otherwise crawl wont really go out of its way to kill you with instant death 00:36:52 no trample into lava or anything 00:36:53 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:59 <|amethyst> (also, the drowned soul attack is flavoured as "drowning") 00:37:25 <|amethyst> @??drowned soul 00:37:25 drowned soul (11W) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 012(drown) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 456 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:45:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:46:10 -!- doe has quit [] 00:47:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:48:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:53:02 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-483-g810ce3f 00:57:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:19 The build failed. 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03:42:55 !tv * xom vaults max=ntv x=ntv 03:42:56 195. zkyp, XL24 MiCK, T:82124 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 03:43:01 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:43:23 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:55:41 starting Arena simulation does not clear screen properly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9617 by TAS2012 03:56:08 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:47 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:03:58 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:23 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:15:49 -!- __miek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:17 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:47 -!- nonethousand is now known as Guest46109 04:19:01 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:22:28 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:26:29 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:33:50 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 04:37:35 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:22 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:46:56 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:01 -!- matty[work] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:09:12 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:10:21 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:48 !tell pleasingfungus perhaps prince ribbit deserves some xp love 05:24:48 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:25:10 !tell pleasingfungus he's generally the unique I run from most, anyway 05:25:10 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:29:12 -!- Guest46109 is now known as n1k 05:29:32 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 05:29:32 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:26 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:26 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:21 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:45 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:51:42 @??nessos 05:51:42 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 1325 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 05:52:03 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:01:20 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:23 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:48 Would be doable to add some filter commands on the Previous Messages screen ? 06:06:07 something like: God / Combat / Experience / ... 06:07:37 -!- driftwood has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:13:00 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-ng.org/] 06:15:29 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:42 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:26 hey, how does the mp formula in trunk look like now? 06:18:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:01 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:17 +1 mp = +1 max mp 06:24:22 -1 apt = -1 max mp 06:26:54 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/06743f9df4ec 06:26:55 also this 06:27:24 so for the first 8 xls you get 1.5 mp / level, one after that until the last 4 which give none 06:27:46 spc is still 1mp/level i assume 06:27:58 and inv/evo? 06:28:12 0.5 / level 06:28:41 20 evo and <=10spc would put you at 37mp at xl27 06:28:46 but only the maximum of the skills count, right? 06:28:47 plus/minus apt 06:28:49 yes 06:29:48 oh and dg gets +10% mp which I assume gets thrown in last 06:30:18 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:36:10 You only get the extra 0.5 mp on the first 8 xls if you have matching levels of spellcasting/invo/evo 06:39:41 and yeah, +10% mp mutations including dg's racial get added after the level/skill calculations, and before the +mp item calculations 06:39:45 ??mp 06:39:45 mp[1/1]: Cast spells with this. Max of 50mp without bonuses; any bonuses over 50 are halved (staff of power, ring of magical power). 06:39:57 so the first 8 spellcasting or invo levels basically get +4 extra mp? 06:40:16 Kolbur: the first combined 8 levels of spellcasting/XL get +4 extra mp 06:40:23 yeah 06:40:25 (or 16 Invo/8 XL) 06:40:25 good to know 06:41:00 since you rarely have a higher spellcasting skill than your xl at the start 06:41:29 !lg * killer=an_entropy_weaver 06:41:29 1. chequers the Brawler (L16 TrMo of Cheibriados), demolished by an entropy weaver on Depths:1 on 2015-04-08 11:38:56, with 127283 points after 28803 turns and 1:29:04. 06:42:03 !tell lasty !lg * killer=an_entropy_weaver -- ps, the tile didn't show up for me on cpo 06:42:04 chequers: OK, I'll let lasty know. 06:42:12 !tell lasty ps i hat eyou 06:42:12 chequers: OK, I'll let lasty know. 06:42:25 !learn set mp Cast spells with this. Mp increases by 1 for each XL you gain. It also increases by 1 per highest skill value you have among Spellcasting, Invo, and Evo, where Invo and Evo count as 0.5 skill per level. The first 8 matching levels of XL and skill give you 0.5 mp each, so XL 3 and spellcasting 3 gives an extra 1.5 mp. Mp is not capped. 06:42:25 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:42:26 mp[1/1]: Cast spells with this. Mp increases by 1 for each XL you gain. It also increases by 1 per highest skill value you have among Spellcasting, Invo, and Evo, where Invo and Evo count as 0.5 skill per level. The first 8 matching levels of XL and skill give you 0.5 mp each, so XL 3 and spellcasting 3 gives an extra 1.5 mp. Mp is not capped. 06:42:44 chequers: does this mean I get to drink delicious tears? 06:43:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:43:10 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:11 !learn add mp[2 Mp aptititude gives a flat +aptitude mp to your base mp -- e.g. +1 aptitude = +1 total mp. +Mp mutations and racial mutations are added after XL and skill are calculated. +mp items are added last. 06:44:12 mp[2/2]: Mp aptititude gives a flat +aptitude mp to your base mp -- e.g. +1 aptitude = +1 total mp. +Mp mutations and racial mutations are added after XL and skill are calculated. +mp items are added last. 06:44:36 chequers: what tile did you get? the current tile is a big white X 06:44:56 that tile 06:44:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:13 !learn tell ontoclasm Interested in doing an entropy weaver tile? I have them as gaunt, tall, chitinous humanoids with razor-sharp claws. 06:45:13 I don't know about !learn tell. 06:45:14 i didn't actually realise it was a monster :| 06:45:22 !tell ontoclasm Interested in doing an entropy weaver tile? I have them as gaunt, tall, chitinous humanoids with razor-sharp claws. 06:45:22 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 06:45:31 chequers: sorry 06:45:42 I need to get a proper tile in there asap 06:45:58 !lg * killer=an_entropy_weaver -tv 06:45:59 1. chequers, XL16 TrMo, T:28803 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 06:46:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46:18 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:29 @??entropy weaver 06:46:30 unknown monster: "entropy weaver" 06:46:42 n1k: |amethyst hasn't refreshed it yet 06:46:46 ??entropy weaver 06:46:46 entropy weaver[1/2]: A monster that chants for 3 turns and then gives you 5 stacks of corrosion. Has four melee attacks and comes with a small band of spiders in order to capitalize on your corrosion. Spawns in Spider, Vaults, and Depths. New in 0.17. 06:46:55 Lasty, oh I see 06:47:01 I didn't know it was a manual thing 06:47:49 !lg * ikiller~~entropy_weaver 06:47:50 1. chequers the Brawler (L16 TrMo of Cheibriados), demolished by an entropy weaver on Depths:1 on 2015-04-08 11:38:56, with 127283 points after 28803 turns and 1:29:04. 06:47:55 !lg . -log 06:47:56 623. chequers, XL16 TrMo, T:28803: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/chequers/morgue-chequers-20150408-113856.txt 06:48:02 is there an equivalent of 'f' that automatically attempts to target the nearest monster 06:48:03 !lg * ikiller=entropy_weaver 06:48:03 i didn't see any spiders though 06:48:03 1. chequers the Brawler (L16 TrMo of Cheibriados), demolished by an entropy weaver on Depths:1 on 2015-04-08 11:38:56, with 127283 points after 28803 turns and 1:29:04. 06:48:08 the spider pack should count under ikiller, right? 06:48:11 if you have no spells 06:48:12 yes 06:48:15 oh, yes i could 06:48:17 and are a dumb cat that can't throw things 06:48:24 er rather, @n1k: yes 06:48:52 kvaak: what would you target things with then? 06:49:18 * chequers adds "begins to chant the Word of Entropy" to force_more 06:49:21 Lasty: x so I could quickly check if that orc is wielding fists or a disto great sword 06:49:22 chequers: tabtroll! 06:49:34 kvaak: oh, I see. You can use + and - 06:49:49 guess i could macro something to x, 06:49:51 er, x+ rather 06:49:52 x+ targets the "next" target in sight for viewing 06:49:53 Lasty: you can't prove i'm not qw 06:50:10 chequers: I've got my best detectives on the case! 06:50:53 actually macroing x to x+ seems to work out fine 06:50:57 nice 06:51:07 ... most of the time I'd probably prefer that x was x+ 06:51:14 -!- maha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:51:46 yeah 06:52:07 gammafunk: sorry you can't add a new earth mage whose name doesn't begin with "l" 06:52:25 anyway, off to work 06:52:30 um 06:52:32 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:32 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:52:35 apparently degen doesn't wake up sleeping monsters 06:52:38 is that supposed to happen 06:52:55 also imo an earth wizlab should one of the billion already-existing earth mages instead of adding a new one 06:53:21 they'd even be alliterative with "lunar"! 06:53:38 Lehudib's Lunar Limbo 06:55:59 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:06 Gell's Groovy Gatehouse 07:06:19 -!- giann54 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:19 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:06:57 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:09:38 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:47 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:30 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 07:16:01 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16:53 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:18:55 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:19:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:06 aptititude? 07:22:12 ??mp[2 07:22:12 mp[2/2]: Mp aptititude gives a flat +aptitude mp to your base mp -- e.g. +1 aptitude = +1 total mp. +Mp mutations and racial mutations are added after XL and skill are calculated. +mp items are added last. 07:22:32 !tell lasty aptititude? ??mp[2 07:22:32 TAS_2012v: OK, I'll let lasty know. 07:23:40 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:24:35 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:33 !learn e mp[2] s,titit,tit 07:31:33 mp[2/2]: Mp aptitude gives a flat +aptitude mp to your base mp -- e.g. +1 aptitude = +1 total mp. +Mp mutations and racial mutations are added after XL and skill are calculated. +mp items are added last. 07:32:13 TAS_2012v, anyone can edit those so feel free to correct typos if you see them 07:35:39 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:10 aptititititude. 07:41:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:47:44 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 07:48:35 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:49:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:50:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:51:59 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:58:37 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00:50 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:04 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:02 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:09:57 n1k: ah, thanks, I thought you had to have some access level 08:12:27 -!- comradegarry has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:13:28 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:13:31 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:02 am I missing something? the ramblings about "the moon" on 0.17 plans on dev wiki, what is that..? replacement Pan? :D 08:16:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:47 there's a few learndb entries that are locked, but most are open for editing --- only restriction is must be here or ##crawl (i.e. public) 08:17:20 TAS_2012v: it's a silly wizlab 08:18:31 ah 08:19:33 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:31 a bit hard to understand form the wiki text *looking at gammafunk* :) 08:23:15 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:31 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:36 &dump 08:23:37 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/perunasaurus/perunasaurus.txt 08:23:41 take a look at my mut list 08:23:47 see if you see anything wrong with it 08:24:23 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:01 felidish 08:26:24 shaggy fur 5 08:26:35 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:44 bingo! 08:26:52 sharp paws... bladehands on? 08:26:53 kvaak: oh yeah i was going to fix that then i forgot 08:27:13 oh 08:27:14 well could you fix it 08:27:18 i kind of miss my rc 08:27:31 i thought you meant You have sharp fingernails. 08:27:37 no 08:27:50 i mean the fact i have shaggy fur 5 and as far as i can tell it's... something 08:28:00 you shouldn't repat xl 11 so much 08:28:18 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:23 but why is there claws 1 and sharp paws (what does that even mean?)? 08:28:27 the last levele of shagginess seems purely aesthetical? 08:28:30 4819 | D:4 | Gained mutation: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+). [Felid growth] 08:28:33 4819 | D:4 | Reached XP level 6. HP: 28/28 MP: 8/8 08:28:43 xl11 you say 08:28:55 ah 08:29:20 15505 | Lair:1 | Mutation became permanent: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+). [Felid growth] 15505 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 12. HP: 56/56 MP: 19/19 08:29:24 19867 | IceCv | Mutation became permanent: Your thick and shaggy fur keeps you warm (AC +3, rC+). [Felid growth] 19867 | IceCv | Reached XP level 12. HP: 58/58 MP: 20/20 08:29:42 Kolbur: i _just said_ i was going to fix it 08:29:54 it's at xl11 you get the "Mutation became permanent" 08:30:08 a couple of times 08:30:17 buggy 08:30:30 no it's that i guess i forgot that it's possible to lose levels :| 08:30:32 i blame Lasty_ 08:30:32 wheals: remove felid while you're at it ;) 08:30:41 Kolbur: because of Lasty_ that wouldn't help 08:30:42 ugh 08:31:17 imagine that didn't sound like a personal attack 08:31:34 i thought being a dev was all about blaming other devs 08:31:38 also cats walking on keyboard 08:31:39 wheals: there was already code to lose levels. I made the mistake of assuming it worked. :p 08:31:50 kvaak: yes, both 08:32:13 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:32:15 i think even kilobyte was scared to touch this code 08:32:25 Lasty_: 17555 | Lair:3 | a death yak changed into an entropy weaver 08:32:26 wheals: actually, wait -- did I even change the part that influences felid mutation gain? 08:32:27 cats walking on keyboards created felids? 08:32:34 wheals: haha, sweet. 08:32:47 Lasty_: no, but if you didn't i would just remove level loss from felids and call it a day :P 08:32:55 *didn't add another level loss source 08:33:01 wheals: oh, haha. Removing felids is still a good idea . . . 08:33:05 even if it doesn't fix this 08:33:45 Heck, i'll make a deal: I'll remove sacrifice experience if you remove felids. :D 08:35:04 someone must have suggested "sacrifice score" (adds 10% to your turncount for scoring purposes) 08:35:05 TAS_2012v: no, cats walking on cats creates felids 08:36:49 <|amethyst> wheals: I think you'd just need to move give_level_mutations inside that else ? 08:36:53 right 08:37:16 ?? elixir card 08:37:17 elixir card[1/1]: Restores health and/or magic over time, at a rate of 10% maxHP/MP per turn. Power 0: 10-30% health or 30-70% magic. Power 1: 30-50% health if at <50% HP, 100% magic otherwise. Power 2: 100% HP and MP. Found in war, changes, defense. 08:41:41 kvaak: i like that nobody plays felids enough to have noticed this before 08:41:50 does that surprise you 08:42:31 !lg 0.17 s=species o=-% 08:42:32 No games for Lasty_ (0.17). 08:42:38 !lg * 0.17 s=species o=-% 08:42:38 No games for * (0.17). 08:42:54 !lg * cv>=0.17-a s=species o=-% 08:42:56 41249 games for * (cv>=0.17-a): Djinni, 3x Lava Orc, 59x White Draconian, 62x Pale Draconian, 63x Red Draconian, 64x Purple Draconian, 64x Green Draconian, 64x Yellow Draconian, 67x Mottled Draconian, 75x Grey Draconian, 78x Black Draconian, 163x Imp, 319x Halfling, 413x Ghoul, 466x Centaur, 601x Kobold, 609x Felid, 739x Vampire, 744x Deep Dwarf, 845x Tengu, 980x Human, 1066x Naga, 1131x Hill Orc,... 08:43:36 !lg * dj 08:43:36 41661. nataq the Covered (L9 DjFi of Cheibriados), succumbed to a kobold's poison on D:6 on 2015-03-17 10:15:22, with 2056 points after 6404 turns and 0:23:44. 08:43:42 a) how are people playing djinn in 0.17-a? b) how is felid more popular than halfling/ghoul/centaur/kobold? 08:44:03 good choice of chei for the last djinn standing dude 08:44:13 haha 08:44:39 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:22 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:58:30 !lg * dj x=rstart 08:58:31 41661. [rstart=2013-06-20 16:35:16 [20130520163516S]] nataq the Covered (L9 DjFi of Cheibriados), succumbed to a kobold's poison on D:6 on 2015-03-17 10:15:22, with 2056 points after 6404 turns and 0:23:44. 08:58:39 good nearly-2-years-old game 09:00:02 hey, everyone plays at different speeds. 09:00:16 Truly optimal play involves at least one day between moves -- gotta sleep on it. 09:00:50 Upgraded the game from 0.13-a0-1693-g8ac13c1 to 0.17-a0-83-g894156c 09:00:58 save compatibility works 09:01:24 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:24 I thought I was clear that Grix is a *Lunar Mage*, not an earth mage! 09:06:31 totally different school of magic 09:07:21 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 09:07:23 have people just not cast Moon Beam, the L1 spell in the Book of Orbits? 09:09:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:49 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:57 gammafunk: imo name it the moon base of EFPRSTL HFUVRRZ FHRRWYZ 09:13:24 dark red contam from 12% dragon form miscast 09:13:26 nice! 09:13:42 is that a bug report or wrong channel 09:14:11 after that fur thing I honestly have no idea 09:14:19 wheals: I don't see butt or 69 in there or anything 09:15:50 might be a bug in trunk where the % chance for enslavewand to succeed isn't shown 09:16:35 oh, do the other hex wands display that properly? 09:16:46 seems no reason why they shouldn't 09:16:48 slow does, at least 09:16:59 I was watching sapher just now, he gets the % chance with slow wand 09:17:00 but not enslave 09:17:05 !lm sapher 09:17:06 2027. [2015-04-08 14:06:41] Sapher the Cleaver (L9 VSBe of Trog) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 1208. (D:9) 09:17:13 https://crawl.s-z.org/#watch-Sapher 09:17:20 !lg sapher vsbe max=urune 09:17:20 146. Sapher the Axe Maniac (L27 VSBe of Makhleb), demolished by the Serpent of Hell on Dis:7 (dis_hangedman) on 2015-04-07 09:31:55, with 763719 points after 56536 turns and 6:47:31. 09:17:36 heh, just going for the win at that point I guess 09:17:50 |amethyst: hm, i merged skillmenu and i'm getting this weird "[!] training|progress|points" thing on the bottom 09:18:12 !lg sapher recent won 09:18:12 No games for sapher (recent won). 09:18:17 !lg sapher recent max=urune 09:18:18 147. Sapher the Axe Maniac (L27 VSBe of Makhleb), demolished by the Serpent of Hell on Dis:7 (dis_hangedman) on 2015-04-07 09:31:55, with 763719 points after 56536 turns and 6:47:31. 09:18:41 !lg sapher recent urune>=3 s=char,urune 09:18:41 One game for sapher (recent urune>=3): VSBe (8) 09:19:01 also it seems to be buggy anyway 09:20:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:11 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:35 <|amethyst> probably MR check should be a flag on the zap rather than on the spell 09:22:05 |amethyst: well, it also shows up for monster spells 09:22:25 <|amethyst> hmm 09:22:31 <|amethyst> so both I guess 09:22:37 <|amethyst> ugh 09:22:57 unfr zaps 09:27:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:25 fr: SKM_ isn't the prefix for 3 different enum types 09:30:05 and randonly one #define 09:32:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:37:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:38:22 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:58 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 09:39:29 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47:49 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:23 -!- sylnt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:38 i give up, for now 09:54:43 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:17 wheals says to your enum, "You haven't seen the last of me!" 10:07:14 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:10:29 !learn add lasty_to_do in player.cc:corrode_equipment, update "prev_corr" on each iteration. Or don't. But make a conscious choice about it. 10:10:29 lasty to do[11/11]: in player.cc:corrode_equipment, update "prev_corr" on each iteration. Or don't. But make a conscious choice about it. 10:12:29 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:25 -!- quik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:15:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:01 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:26:04 !tell johnstein Hey, still interested in putting the always-mulch branch up? 10:26:04 Lasty_: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 10:27:09 -!- Big-guy has quit [] 10:27:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:29:23 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:57 -!- copt has quit [] 10:34:22 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:34:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:04 |amethyst: last night I was groaning appreciatively at the pun, I wasn't actually mad 10:35:05 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:35:12 only realized afterward that it was unclear 10:35:14 sry 10:36:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:39:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:33 -!- HoneyLocust has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:46:21 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48:18 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:49:51 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:53:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:11 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:47 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:26 gammafunk: well it looks like the theme is earth+abyss pretty much! so it seems reasonable to use an existing earth mage (also grix is not a good name imo) 11:02:40 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 11:05:26 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:05:41 oh also it'd be a good time to remove some of the not-so-good wizlabs i guess? 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ZZZzzz…] 11:41:51 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:47:53 Lasty_: I can probably do that. how does that branch handle non-branded ammo? always mulch? infinite? always-mulch+much higher generation? 11:47:53 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:49:21 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:29