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I think it was closer to 90% for me 12:18:20 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-477-g451446c (34) 12:21:52 G-Flex: are you spamming lucy's abilities? 12:22:00 eh, not much 12:22:05 I might just be playing this one more slowly 12:30:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-478-g519dd2a: Changelog through 0.17-a0-477-g451446c 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 30+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/519dd2a8ba5c 12:30:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-479-g56f720c: Reorder Gell's Gravitas in a few books 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56f720c25847 12:30:28 gammafunk: Really awful update, food needs to be reverted to how it was and DK/Healer need to come back. Just uninstalled this, won’t be reinstalling til this is fixed. 12:32:23 reverted? 12:34:20 huh, enslavement was removed? 12:34:23 interesting 12:34:32 whoa, github chei links 12:34:35 hm 12:35:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:56 guess i am bit late, but nontheless: no more sourceforge \o/ 12:36:30 mm? did you mean giterrible (dba gitorious)? 12:37:22 i am updating the freebsd port of crawl and just noticed that the source packages are no longer hosted on sourceforge. 12:39:51 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:41:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:43:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:40 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:29 oh, that part 12:46:11 <|amethyst> oh, people actually use the release tarball? 12:46:36 -!- Sharkman1231 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:53 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:48:29 <|amethyst> blabber: I don't know if freebsd's policy is to only use upstream releases, but if not I would recommend checking out branch "stone_soup-0.16" from the git repo 12:48:43 <|amethyst> that contains fixes that will eventually be in 0.16.2 12:48:48 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.16 12:48:49 07|amethyst02 * 0.16.1-11-g651b585: Restore high-damage attack verbs (G-Flex) 10(9 days ago, 6 files, 31+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/651b585570f7 12:49:19 Would it be possible to get a visual indicator for some of Zin's recite effects? or more of an explanation? I didn't know how dazed worked until looking it up here 12:49:37 PleasingFungus: awesome feedback, eh? Gotta <3 players! 12:49:53 ya they're great 12:50:05 |amethyst: it is preffered to use upstream releases, no moving targets. 12:50:07 ??dazed 12:50:07 dazed[1/1]: A status which makes a monster randomly skip 20% of its turns. 12:50:12 huh 12:50:21 <|amethyst> blabber: ah... maybe we should release 0.16.2 soon then :) 12:50:23 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 12:50:28 Sharkman1231: someday I want to have a 'verbose status description' screen that explains what player/monster statuses actually mean 12:50:30 someday... 12:50:47 also I'm not sure how a visual status indicator would help for dazed? 12:50:55 |amethyst: no problem, once i have 0.16.1 in place updates should be easy till the 0.17 ;) 12:51:23 G-Flex: well, one idea was to give Lugonu piety gain from altars... that didn't work out (my original idea was too tedious). Need to convince someone to give it another try (naturally, I have a new, much better idea!) 12:51:25 Well, when there's a giant group of enemies, I'm not sure which ones are dazed vs unaffected vs bleeding 12:53:14 There also appears to be an antimagic effect zin's recite has on some enemies? I don't remember what description it gives, and doesn't give an indication on the monster afterwards 12:53:36 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:53:41 except for "the foo falters" 12:54:36 piety from altars? 12:54:53 like, from corrupting altars, or finding lugonu altars? 12:55:38 <|amethyst> hm 12:56:14 <|amethyst> yeah, it's kind of weird that antimagic doesn't even show up in x 12:56:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:56:39 "dazed" shows up on x, doesn't it? 12:56:42 <|amethyst> yeah 12:56:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:57:02 -!- Yoder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:04 <|amethyst> I don't know if the AM thing is intended to avoid the situation where you watch its status and swap back to antimagic when it loses the enchantment 12:57:08 <|amethyst> or if it's just an oversight 12:57:17 isn't the enchantment cumulative anyway 12:57:28 but drops off over time 12:57:39 -!- sanddemon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:50 <|amethyst> yeah, the severity is based on the duration 12:58:05 <|amethyst> but the same is true of, say, poison 12:58:41 It's not like this is a huge deal, since these are just some of the effects of 1 god's abilities, I just thought I'd mention it 12:58:57 <|amethyst> well, antimagic is also a weapon brand 12:59:01 <|amethyst> so that one's more relevant 12:59:08 <|amethyst> but as I said it might be intentional? 12:59:35 but stuff like dazed and seared flesh, I still have no idea what that does besides 1+ damage 12:59:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess we could start with ?/s(T)atus or ?/(E)nchantment 12:59:48 yeah 12:59:50 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:00:08 <|amethyst> then integrate them into xv later 13:00:23 I was also thinking of hijacking & repurposing @ for the player 13:00:38 <|amethyst> Sharkman1231: that one is Silver Corona: it's corona, plus sticky flame-level damage if they're chaotic 13:01:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah, @ seems kind of weird to exist 13:01:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: since if it's in range it's the same as ., and out of range the same as ! 13:01:40 <|amethyst> x@ I assume 13:02:24 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:51 oh I was just saying @ 13:02:55 I didn't know x@ existed 13:03:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:03:24 <|amethyst> so @ and then you select a monster? 13:03:28 no I was saying 13:03:30 for the player 13:03:35 <|amethyst> ohh 13:03:54 this might be another thing like wheals removing "] or w/e but I don't get @ 13:03:56 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 13:03:56 <|amethyst> well, I wouldn't want to see the "short info to the message area" go 13:04:03 <|amethyst> yeah, it's like "] 13:04:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-480-g67821dc: Fix a few changelog errors 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67821dcd9149 13:04:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:23 -!- Sonata is now known as flappity 13:04:34 wwwwheals 13:04:37 <|amethyst> could make it a key under % maybe, if there's no room 13:04:38 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-7-april-2015 changelog post is up 13:04:49 <|amethyst> room to just stick it in % I mean 13:05:24 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:33 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:33 maybe. some problems with nested ui but it might be the best option 13:08:10 !lm . vsdk alive 13:08:11 1. [2014-11-16 21:25:57] gammafunk the Torchbearer (L1 VSDK of Yredelemnul) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 13:08:28 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:37 This char's existance still keeps DrKe up at night, I hear 13:09:04 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:39 -!- ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:09:45 2spoopy 13:10:05 oops i was going to play a hesu but i forgot 13:10:30 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:35 It'd be wise if you wait until I write the HESu guide 13:10:48 well that would require you to win it once, and i dont have that long to wait 13:10:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:07 I've won it several times! 13:11:16 !lg gammafunk hesu won 13:11:17 No games for gammafunk (hesu won). 13:11:21 hm 13:11:31 Sequell says otherwise! 13:11:42 !lg . hesu urune>3 s=urune 13:11:42 5 games for gammafunk (hesu urune>3): 2x 4, 10, 11, 6 13:11:51 5 times 13:12:13 ??goodreddit 13:12:13 goodreddit[1/9]: yeah i hear that, such as,for example, i havent actually ascended with hte orb, but ive had like 3-4 characters where i died in vaults but you know, i count them as wins because the character was (imho) capable of doing zot. 13:12:15 !hs simm 13:12:15 1370. hypersimm the Archmage (L27 HuEE of Ashenzari), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-03-06 03:13:16, with 14870572 points after 104960 turns and 9:56:40. 13:12:28 i dont even have the huee highscore anymore ): 13:12:34 dang 13:12:37 !hs * huee 13:12:38 1924. Sphara the Evocator (L27 HuEE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-15 16:03:29, with 15230370 points after 103003 turns and 19:36:32. 13:12:44 Sphara'd 13:13:08 hah by <2k turn difference 13:13:18 gammafunk: http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/31mnox/played_mainly_as_a_su_so_far_what_are_some_other/ nice reddit alt 13:13:35 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:44 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:13:58 obvious answer is that there is no further fun to be had 13:14:14 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 13:14:47 !gamesby sphara 13:14:48 sphara has played 333 games, between 2012-01-08 10:39:49 and 2015-04-04 09:09:04, won 136 (40.8%), high score 23292110, total score 937956749, total turns 16409790, play-time/day 2:15:48, total time 111d+13:43:01. 13:15:00 pretty sick 13:15:06 offline scummer 13:15:13 winscummer?? 13:15:32 PewPewCrewMaster (L2 GrFi) (D:1) 13:15:38 ??goodreddit[9 13:15:38 goodreddit[9/9]: (Please note that, for real-life religious reasons, I was advised not to "worship" an in-game "god". I'd rather gain eternal reward in the afterlife, even if it lowers my chances of winning.) 13:15:46 I remember this guy, I was amazed 13:15:58 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:16:37 I'm informed he's by no means unique 13:16:48 did that person do many non-Dg runs? 13:17:18 yeah, he played lots of Gr, and wouldn't play Dg either 13:17:29 since they're demigods 13:17:39 G-Flex: corrupting altars (if you wanna know more, my idea is on the wiki) 13:17:41 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:56 all right 13:18:11 Sharkman1231: that's a quality guy, I want to know more 13:18:18 Grunt: I got green crystal tiles colourization working, and instead of making a new lua colour, guess which existing colour I found to give me a cool "location-dependent" effect. 13:18:20 I'm honestly surprised he played gargoyles 13:18:28 gargoyles are sorcery! 13:18:34 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:18:44 re interface: it would make sense if pressing the relevant buttons in % would bring up additional information 13:19:32 I sent him a private message telling him there should be a pretty easy way to change any instance of "demigod" to militant atheist or something silly, but no response 13:20:05 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:06 The build was broken. (master - 56f720c #2208 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57515946 13:20:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:20:12 -!- giann59 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:41 the stress test... 13:20:59 should probably just remove it, tbh 13:21:21 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:27 Remember BountyHunterSax protested and wouldn't play Djinn because he felt their description was an insult to the "*THE* God" aka the "IRL Abrahammic God" 13:22:42 s/to the/to/ / 13:22:49 er that but not wrong 13:23:08 why would he play the game at all? lol 13:23:20 I also expected the person to be Christian/Muslim, but it turned out they were Jewish, I haven't met any Jews who took their faith that seriously 13:23:41 Kolbur: Full details https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10942&p=151316#p151316 13:24:14 they assuredly exist. but they take it seriously enough that they don't mix with outsiders much lest they be polluted with evil ideas >.> 13:24:50 i heard israel has a few here and there 13:27:41 ##crawl-judaism 13:27:45 That line in the Djinn description is a direct reference to the Quran, I suppose if I were still Muslim I would have been annoyed 13:28:42 why? 13:28:56 So there's a seperate creator god (who is deranged?! And retarded?) that none of the other gods know about? 13:29:08 is this somehow surprising 13:29:18 oh, I meant to say "a little annoyed", not to any significant degree 13:29:23 I mean 13:29:38 yeah I guess 13:29:48 I just don't get why people compartmentalize so much of this stuff 13:29:56 like, they will murder all kinds of things and people in a game like crawl 13:30:01 but they won't worship a fictional god in it 13:30:07 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:30:43 Like when I was still Muslim whenever I'd see one of those depictions of the prophet, I'd frown a bit 13:30:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:54 -!- wheals has quit [Changing host] 13:30:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:54 -!- wheals has quit [Changing host] 13:30:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:19 Sharkman1231: I was kind of pleasantly surprised in Crusader Kings 2 when I noticed the profile image for Mohammed is just a rendering of his name or whatever 13:31:28 (he's the only character special-cased in such a way) 13:31:29 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:31:33 gammafunk: um, exactly what colours are available for green crystal 13:31:47 wheals: all 16, which is why it works 13:32:01 wow, that dj description is... very kb 13:32:03 does anyone else see any issues with it 13:32:07 s/it/that 13:32:25 wheals: do you also have issues with using wall_zot for the same 13:32:37 since that's what disco pan does 13:32:38 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:32:56 not saying issues don't exist, but it's the same setup 13:33:26 do you not expect bug reports 13:33:52 Do you mean the description "green crystal"? 13:34:12 yes, pretty sure it's supposed to be green 13:34:13 or what do you mean exactly 13:34:20 what's kb? 13:34:43 wheals: yet there are 16 colours defined that anyone can currently use... 13:34:56 truly disturbing 13:34:58 I think we could update the description if need be to be more generic 13:34:59 kilobyte, the djinn dev (ex-dev). 13:35:11 ah, okay 13:35:12 aka 1kb 13:35:18 felids 13:35:18 retired dev. 13:35:27 tex-mex-dev 13:36:05 gammafunk: i just wonder who thought it was a good idea to make purple green crystal tiles 13:36:25 wheals: well for console it's a bit of an issue, but green rock walls are not uncommon 13:36:26 is this a space base race thing 13:36:49 I set my walls to different glyphs based on tile but not everyone does that 13:36:55 er based on wall feature 13:37:04 maybe we should just rename it "crystal wall", is all i'm saying 13:37:10 yes I'm fine with that 13:37:16 it will require changing des etc 13:37:29 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:37:41 and default can still be green 13:38:07 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:38:27 but no one has guess the colour I'm using! 13:38:49 all of them? 13:38:59 it's an etc colour, final hint 13:39:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:40:04 ok your other hint is that I posed this to Grunt in particular for a reason 13:40:19 i guess green 13:40:31 ...wow 13:40:34 also, bh was the one who added disjunction 13:40:37 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:40:47 are you sure? 13:43:00 is there ever any reason to mark empty wands with "(0)" sometimes and "(Empty)" some other times? 13:43:15 G-Flex: yes, (0) means you've id'd it 13:43:23 if you recharge an {empty} it's still unid 13:43:34 !send gammafunk ETC_GREEN 13:43:34 Sending ETC_GREEN to gammafunk. 13:45:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:53 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Quit: hy-on-github] 13:47:54 -!- halfnewbie140 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:18 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 13:51:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:51:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:05 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:08 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:34 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:00:14 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-481-g834b8e3: Update some out-of-date options 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 5+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/834b8e31c1d7 14:01:39 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:41 -!- Thelo has quit [] 14:08:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:23 -!- joof has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 14:16:43 unseen horrors spawn on D:6 now… 14:16:47 really?? 14:17:09 normal depth is 10, someone else can do the ood math 14:19:09 i wasn’t hanging out on that level for too long 14:19:21 is there just a random chance that something like that will spawn that much lower? 14:19:25 yes 14:20:11 oods spawn constantly 14:20:26 gotcha 14:20:54 think of them as non-unique uniques...? 14:22:08 randuniques 14:22:59 -!- giann59 has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:23:28 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 14:26:14 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:27:30 CanOfWorms: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/moon_troll.png grunt gave me this for the moon troll. My version of the monster wears moon troll leather armour and casts singularity, but the idea is that it's the moon base guardian where the level has an earth/transmutations/space theme 14:27:59 if woc were to make me a new tile....who knows....what fantastic treasures.....might await him....?!?!?! 14:28:04 should I give it a space helmet :o 14:28:09 dang 14:28:19 sadly I'd like to not give it even more gear 14:28:42 mtla doesn't look much different than "blue troll leather armour", but you could jazz up its armour I guess 14:28:43 hmm, is there a way to split the sort_menus option across multiple lines, if it's just one long sort order? 14:29:01 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:15 moon armor is just TLA except blue, right? 14:29:21 currently yeah 14:29:37 fr blue trolls 14:29:40 hrm, does it have any special kind of tile at all I wonder 14:29:57 wheals: what if we just combined blue trolls and moon trolls 14:30:21 oh it's shimmer blue TLA! 14:30:25 not blue at all! 14:30:32 well, actually still blue 14:30:37 ETC_SPACE 14:31:27 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:08 coinflip() ? BLACK : BLACK; 14:33:19 don't you mean !coinflip() 14:34:23 !coinflip() == false 14:37:40 BLACK + 0 : BLACK - 0 14:39:15 -!- quik has quit [Quit: No hay mala música, sólo copas de menos] 14:40:28 http://i.imgur.com/tJFL5cb.png 14:42:01 kind of creepy for it to be wearing mtla 14:42:41 i guess it's glad for the tla working for trolls thing now though 14:42:50 well, it is a wizlab 14:43:41 need to add human leather armour for cigo's 14:44:20 gives a +1 XP aptitude when worn...? 14:47:00 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:51:15 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:18 -!- Radiman has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:58 !source _replace_all_in_string 14:52:58 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/format.cc#l244 14:53:02 !source replace_all 14:53:02 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/stringutil.cc#l264 14:54:04 good, no 14:56:13 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:09 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:59:06 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 14:59:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:26 The build was fixed. (master - 834b8e3 #2210 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57529248 14:59:27 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:01:18 -!- bonewhr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:17:50 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:18:33 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:21:41 When invis as a merfolk moving into water there's the message "don't expect to remain undected", this shouldn't belong, should it? 15:24:25 btw, what do I have to do in order to get commit emails again? 15:25:32 -!- WereVolvo1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:37 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:28:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:31:11 dpeg: on the repository page click settings -> webhooks & services -> Add service 15:31:17 and select/type email in there 15:31:43 s/repository page/repository tab on your profile (I think it's the same?) 15:33:54 the moon base is a pending wizlab? whose lab? 15:33:58 -!- amalloy_lunch is now known as amalloy 15:34:30 (btw I wonder if there should be some c-r-d announcement on the git stuff?) 15:35:22 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:48 Sharkman1231: merfolk or not water goes splashy splash splash 15:37:20 more importantly, there's a big empty space in the water... 15:39:31 -!- secularist has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:33 are you guys serious lol? 15:39:44 please explain sacrifice removal 15:40:05 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:40:41 sacrificing adds nothing to gameplay except a mechanical chore. 15:40:42 there you go! 15:40:56 same could be said for a lot of things 15:41:00 %git :/akhleb corpse sacrifices 15:41:03 07reaverb02 * 0.16-a0-2836-g6f54bd8: Remove Makhleb corpse sacrifices 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f54bd88d1de 15:41:16 reasoning is in that commit message 15:41:22 secularist: a lot of things have been removed over the years 15:41:35 some with arguably even better flavour than sacrifices 15:41:58 dudfe 15:42:05 did trogs just get removed? 15:42:10 yes 15:42:13 yay 15:42:22 amen 15:42:30 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:57 whos revearb 15:42:59 * dpeg is probably the only person who mourns that berserkers lost their spears 15:43:01 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:43:08 does this person ever actually play berserkers 15:43:16 -!- secularist was kicked from ##crawl-dev by dpeg [Good night] 15:43:21 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:40 berserkers lost their spears? 15:44:00 hehe, secularist spouting funny private messages at me 15:44:15 does it involve genitalia and parenthood 15:44:24 kvaak: long time ago. I guess it only matters if you know about the original background. 15:45:57 !lg wheals br=wizlab 15:45:58 No games for wheals (br=wizlab). 15:46:06 gonna get that wheals wizlab kill for sure 15:46:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:18 !whereis gammafunk 15:46:18 gammafunk the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) quit on D:1 on 2015-03-22 after 0 turns. 15:46:24 @whereis gammafunk 15:46:24 gammafunk the Skirmisher (L2 DrWn) saved on D:1 on 2012-09-27 after 881 turns. 15:46:37 !lg devteamnp br=wizlab 15:46:38 3. SGrunt the Fencer (L17 FoFi of Zin), blasted by a purple draconian (bolt of dispelling energy) in WizLab (wizlab_iskenderun) on 2014-06-10 02:51:55, with 136606 points after 36755 turns and 1:45:25. 15:46:42 !lg devteamnp br=wizlab s=name 15:46:42 3 games for devteamnp (br=wizlab): dpeg, SGrunt, KiloByte 15:46:46 !lg devteamnp br=wizlab s=name,kmap 15:46:46 3 games for devteamnp (br=wizlab): KiloByte, SGrunt (wizlab_iskenderun), dpeg 15:46:50 !lg devteamnp br=wizlab s=name,map 15:46:50 3 games for devteamnp (br=wizlab): KiloByte (wizlab_doroklohe), dpeg (wizlab_demon), SGrunt (wizlab_iskenderun) 15:47:09 hard to get devteam wizlab kills... 15:47:26 -!- secularist has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:28 LOL 15:47:34 he has 18 games as a berserker 15:47:42 18. reaverb the Poker (L7 DsBe of Trog), 15:47:49 why was the corpse sac removal staggered? Was it just because their piety gain stuff had to be adjusted individually? 15:48:06 >very tiny amount of 15:48:06 corpses which make the player seriously consider the cost/benefit 15:48:06 analysis of eating the corpse versus sacrificing it to their god. 15:48:08 that's absolute bullshit 15:48:17 Sharkman1231: That was my main thought. Also me being lazy and not getting around to it faster >_> 15:48:20 its a big part of the early game for berserkers 15:48:29 secularist: this is a dev channel. Are you able to argue? 15:48:42 dpeg: he appears to be attempting 15:48:52 ZChris13: perhaps, but failing. 15:49:01 -!- tingol1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49:09 I like his last comment, it does have merit 15:49:16 if its annoying for other gods then get rid of it but not for trog 15:49:30 even if you boosted piety from killing enough its still a useful thing for players to learn 15:49:46 but I like the sac removal, hunger isn't ever really a major concern for any character 15:49:55 I would think corpse sac would be more appropriate for Makhleb than Trog 15:49:56 secularist: whatever credibility your comments have, you've completely used it up with rhethoric blunders, personal attacks and waste of space. 15:50:13 you're the type of person who shouldn't have op because you can't control yourself 15:50:14 dpeg: just because you're mad at him doesn't mean he can't have good points 15:50:28 secularist: you aren't helping your cause by insulting dpeg 15:50:36 i don't really care what he says, he's done this to me before 15:50:46 secularist: You could always just play .16... 15:50:50 there might be a reason for that other than his lack of control 15:50:50 thats what its looking like 15:50:58 yeah okay rip secularist 15:51:02 frankly, I'd have kicked you some time back for attitude 15:51:03 ZChris13: I am not mad at him, but I've seen enough enraged players come over here and shout endlessly. There's no point, and it's easier for everyone if someone just pulls the plug. 15:51:10 i mean, i'm glad for sac removal, because it's not a ton of fun, but in my current FeBe i remember having to balance piety for BiA with nutrition for berserking. it's not *just* a tedious chore 15:51:14 who is shouting 15:51:19 i came in and asked for an explanation 15:51:27 and someone pasted a post by a guy who has 18 games as berserker 15:51:34 secularist: all conversation on the internet is shouting 15:51:36 amalloy: the thing is, you probably mostly imagined that 15:51:41 its something you constantly think about as a berserker 15:51:44 at least early on 15:51:47 no it isn't 15:51:50 it sometimes -feels- like it matters but actually it really doesn't 15:51:51 !lg . be won min=dur 15:51:52 3. perunasaurus the Conqueror (L21 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-09-14 19:13:56, with 2102359 points after 38982 turns and 1:10:56. 15:52:02 could be, ontoclasm 15:52:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:52:08 it's a nonstop, mindless smashing of opopopopopopopopoppop 15:52:13 !lg . be 15:52:14 149. sym the Axe Maniac (L27 HOBe of Trog), slain by a bennu on Tomb:3 (tomb_3; tomb_3_rune_grunt_snapback) on 2014-10-10 03:00:03, with 732743 points after 100846 turns and 6:01:57. 15:52:18 either that or autosac which i never enabled for some incomprehensible reason 15:52:26 kvaak: yeah autosac pls bro 15:52:52 it certainly never matters past lair; and up to lair you "have" to eat like... what, a dozen corpses? 15:52:56 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 15:53:07 later on ill admit it loses relevance 15:53:08 so that's like 6 piety on average 15:53:17 lemme count: "are you guys serious lol", "whos reaverb", "does this person ever actually play berserkers", and special highlight from pm: "good job giving the entire dev team a bad rep", "real mature dude" 15:53:20 but most people never even make it to "later on" 15:53:26 dpeg 15:53:27 ontoclasm: as a FeBe i needed to berserk a *lot* :P 15:53:36 if you had a clue you'd realize i was pasting you something that happened last year 15:53:45 that pm is OLD 15:53:45 well yes, but my point is you aren't paying a lot of piety by doing so 15:53:47 even down into snake, i'm having trouble keeping piety at *****. 15:54:00 you're short on piety for other reasons 15:54:04 yes 15:54:14 (is the impression i get) 15:54:18 because of spamming ac 15:54:26 you're ruining the early game for berserkers 15:54:30 dpeg: sounds like a *great* conversation 15:54:34 it wasnt a conversation 15:54:37 he never responded 15:54:38 I think Trog actually could use corpses via rage extension, we discussed this the other day. 15:54:46 gammafunk: I tell you! Didn't even say a word! 15:54:59 it was just you ranting? 15:55:02 it wasnt a rant 15:55:10 i just told him what i thought before i disconnected 15:55:18 it was a...a...serious..of...of...well reasoned....points.... 15:55:26 wheals: it goes one for more lines, ending with "you deserve ZERO respect" <3 15:55:28 s/serious/series/ 15:55:39 real mature dude 15:55:39 next time you get kickban 15:55:39 good job giving the entire dev team a bad rep 15:55:39 remember this 15:55:39 k? 15:55:45 after i pasted it i said 15:55:45 remember? 15:55:46 if you can't even let me make an argument before kicking me you deserve ZERO fucking respect 15:55:46 thats it 15:55:52 sorry, "ZERO fucking respect" 15:56:13 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:56:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:32 well, i guess i'll see how it feels before rendering judgement 15:56:38 removing sac from trog without serious consideration for how much that kills piety gains early on is COMPLETELY game changing for berserkers 15:56:48 <_miek> so? 15:57:03 trog is one of the best gods in the game. it's probably okay if he takes a small nerf 15:57:04 secularist: have you tried it 15:57:07 you do realize kill piety was increased right 15:57:13 simmarine: is it a nerf or a buff? 15:57:13 is it balanced out? 15:57:13 and yes i think he did get compensation anyway 15:57:15 also what simmarine said 15:57:29 I don't think secularist realizes a lot of things 15:57:44 <_miek> if your entire argument is "change is bad" then you're playing the wrong game 15:57:48 theres no real choice in the matter of corpse sac. every once in a while you chop a corpse, pray the rest away. if you somehow end up with no corpses, you eat some permafood. it was an unfun flowchart that didnt add much other than (imo really nice) flavor 15:57:50 yeah his first reaction appears to be anger a lot of the time, which isn't a good thing 15:58:44 the mistake everyone is making is thinking that i'm saying "dont do this" 15:58:50 i just want you to recognize how big of a change it is 15:58:51 I don't really feel like explaining stuff to shouters, but (a) trunk, work in progress, (b) it was discussed over here, (c) there are ideas for additional piety, (d) Trog is one of the strongest god and can certainly take a nerf, 15:58:54 reaverb was the committer, but (most) commits arent just thrown in there with no regard. it was discussed! so no need to attack the one who pushed it 15:58:54 imo choice without flavor isn't any real choice at all 15:59:17 <_miek> but its not even a big change 15:59:25 <_miek> your piety gain is roughly the same 15:59:27 secularist: can i ask what does it change though? you dont have to press p a lot (or set an option to auto sacrifice), that is a change indeed 15:59:31 secularist: yes well the problem is you seem to have the impression the option to press p on top of a corpse was removed 15:59:35 and that's it 15:59:37 which isn't the case 15:59:51 and was said, there was apparently piety compensation for the change so you may not even ultimately notice a difference 16:00:36 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:39 that being said, i do realize in my trunk game i was constantly not actually 6* piety with trog 16:00:40 do any gods still have corpse saccing 16:00:47 fedhas, sort of 16:00:50 mm 16:00:50 beogh, sort of 16:00:51 beogh 16:00:53 simmarine: i don't really like the flavour of corpse sacrificing anyway. now that i've realized that, i guess i didn't like the mechanic either, so i guess i am more in favor of removing it than i thought i was 16:00:53 sort of 16:00:54 not that its even a bad thing. i was still getting gifts, using trogs hand, and bros still 16:00:57 can you still get torment off of kiku corpse sac 16:01:04 PleasingFungus: hi...... 16:01:05 that's been an ability since forever 16:01:08 ZChris13: well yes 16:01:09 wheals: :) 16:01:12 since it has nothing to do with corpse saccing 16:01:14 it still costs a corpse though 16:01:17 it wasnt even a berserker start, so i had to start with default piety 16:01:22 kvaak: in 0.7 or so it was on 'p' 16:01:29 wheals: that sounds terrible 16:01:36 it still sacs a corpse, but you get torment instead of piety 16:01:38 please tell me it didn't even ask for confirmation 16:01:45 amalloy: i think the flavor was really cool and fit trog best, but i dont mind it going away if it removes a gameplay feature that was ultimately pretty pointless 16:01:46 good question 16:02:02 <_miek> is it still there for lucy or did it get removed there too? 16:02:17 no corpses for Lugonu any more, I think 16:02:17 <|amethyst> %git :/Lugonu 16:02:17