00:01:09 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:08:51 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6: Unbrace (mon-ench.cc 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=279efb6a297f 00:09:53 fr: i dont need to pick up highlevel books once i pass the threshhold to re-identify them 00:11:04 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-464-g85d6e2c (34) 00:14:26 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:03 elliptic: I just got that weird target skill delay thing for the first time in non-wizmode play, I think 00:17:15 no idea what triggered it though 00:17:25 The bat misses you. Your quokka bites the bat. The bat dies! 00:17:25 _Your Spellcasting skill increases to level 3! 00:17:33 didn't tab 00:17:48 just moved north and then the menu happened 00:18:53 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:19 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6 (34) 00:21:18 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:37 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:47 Tossi (L26 MiMo) ASSERT(!monster_at(p) || monster_at(p)->submerged() || fedhas_passthrough(monster_at(p)) || mons_is_player_shadow(monster_at(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 510 failed. (Zot:4) 00:23:00 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:46 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 00:27:43 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:30:02 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33:36 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35:08 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:35:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:36:59 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:22 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42:46 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:44:58 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:44 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:49:56 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:53:24 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6 00:55:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:56:54 what's the main obstacle to barding merge? 00:57:03 lightning scales on centaur would be too good? 00:57:22 "realism"? 00:57:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 00:58:12 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:58:31 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:10 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:05:46 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:00 rast: "Why is bardings merged better than bardings not being merged?" 01:07:18 rast: Eh, if somebody implimented/pushed that I wouldn't really mind either way. 01:09:15 reaverb: it's kind of weird having the two different bardings since there aren't "deep elf boots" and "human boots" and "ghoul boots" 01:09:22 is the argument as I understand it 01:09:47 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:04 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:14:59 rast: Actually thinking it over I agree with "futureproof for new barding species + more compact design" etc. If you made a patch I'd probably push it unless somebody else objected. 01:14:59 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 01:15:17 is the fact that barding now gets more common bad? 01:15:45 Just change the spawn weights. 01:15:47 makes it a little easierfor centaurs, way easier for nagas to find one 01:16:03 so you agree spawn weights would need to go down 01:16:18 but then monster nagas/centaurs get a little weaker with elss barding to wear 01:17:14 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:19:08 monster nagas/centaurs with bardings basically don't exist 01:19:51 nessos 01:20:17 do you seriously think nessos' barding makes him significantly harder 01:20:42 no, it's more than nagas get a few more chances to get barding 01:20:46 *that 01:21:01 i seem to recall finding barding on centaur warriors too 01:21:44 yes, that's why I said "basically don't exist" 01:22:07 they're vanishingly rare and reducing their generation would certainly not make any monsters noticeably weaker 01:22:19 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22:21 fair enough 01:24:38 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:27:42 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:30:43 -!- Morokiane has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:35:13 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:48:48 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:49:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:57:36 -!- Ardnell has quit [Client Quit] 01:59:46 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:13:28 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:18:36 -!- daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:19:46 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:02 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:22:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6 (34) 02:30:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:48 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:35:09 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:35:39 !gamesby sphara recent 02:35:41 sphara (recent) has played 46 games, between 2014-08-07 07:29:13 and 2015-04-04 09:09:04, won 38 (82.6%), high score 23292110, total score 493867749, total turns 4226068, play-time/day 2:53:06, total time 28d+23:20:06. 02:36:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:01 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:25 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:01 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 03:11:28 -!- Frenoss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:14:46 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:13 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:19 -!- jackrogers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:49 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:52:46 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:48 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:06:51 -!- haifisch_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:07:02 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(flags - ddef761 #2196 : Brendan Hickey): http://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57237998 07:54:52 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:55:48 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:01 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:06:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:42 %git 08:08:42 07reaverb02 * 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6: Unbrace (mon-ench.cc 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=279efb6a297f 08:15:14 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:18:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:34:24 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:34:41 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:35:51 -!- tingol1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:36:58 screw you travis, don't build every branch :P 08:43:20 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:41 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:53 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01:28 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:06:50 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:11:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:14:31 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:15:26 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:22:10 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:31:46 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 09:37:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:14 gammafunk: yes, I'm certain 09:37:43 the full describe thing only uses map knowledge 09:38:00 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38:00 as far as I can tell 09:38:35 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:44:08 hm, also, I can't get monsters to use Dig 09:44:14 I wonder if that's broken 09:53:24 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55:33 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:42 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:57:12 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:22 PleasingFungus: works fine for me. 09:57:39 hm 09:57:44 what's your dig strategy? 09:57:54 I was just spawning guys with dig and then moving out of los 09:58:04 Give a monster 200 dig, keep walking away toward a wall. 09:58:11 I stay in the LOS 09:58:22 ok, it does eventually work in LOS 09:58:25 but don't let them get into melee 09:58:41 it worked with them in melee 09:59:13 hm 09:59:19 Oh I think they're much more likely to cast it if other monsters are around. 09:59:24 yeah seems like it 10:00:10 anyway yeah Xv gives out-of-date (wrong) info for stuff that was dug while out of LOS, as expected 10:00:15 good 10:03:11 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.1/20150402191859]] 10:04:43 -!- giann has quit [] 10:05:28 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:24 -!- Hanyuu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:25 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:10 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:55 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:20:52 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:23:28 <|amethyst> Crawl comic: http://i.imgur.com/3yqMMA3.png 10:24:01 <|amethyst> (the original: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1427560972210.png) 10:24:22 ya I've seen the original 10:24:24 that's a good variant 10:24:55 seven exclamation mark stab with hand axe - VERY unrealistic......... 10:26:53 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:32:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0a1/20150324030207]] 10:34:05 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:14 -!- Dude has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:37 -!- Dude is now known as Guest20931 10:35:15 -!- jernau has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:29 obviously he's wearing boots of the assassin 10:45:40 <|amethyst> and meleebug 10:45:54 you cannot fathom the true power of the cleavestab 10:46:02 <|amethyst> (FR: formicid unique "Meleebug") 11:03:56 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:09:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:13:41 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:25:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:24 -!- sylnt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:57 FR: toggle autopickup artifacts 11:40:12 in the "other items" section 11:41:35 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:51:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:53 <|amethyst> you can do that in lua if you care enough to 11:56:46 <|amethyst> crawl.setopt("autopickup_exceptions ^= err 11:56:50 <|amethyst> crawl.setopt("autopickup_exceptions ^= and I belive you can turn it off with 11:57:06 <|amethyst> crawl.setopt("autopickup_exceptions -= if the latter doesn't work, report it as a bug 11:57:40 <|amethyst> but there might be weirdness if you're not careful and add it twice 11:57:47 <|amethyst> and then try to remove it 11:58:12 <|amethyst> also, it doesn't override other autopickup_exceptions 11:58:43 <|amethyst> but that's probably good---you don't want to pick up artefact bardings on your spriggan 12:05:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:06:36 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 12:07:50 |amethyst i think it would be a good default 12:07:58 you'd want it to ignore unusables, of course 12:08:24 i wouldn't want that to be the default 12:08:44 you've never almost missed an artifact? 12:08:51 <|amethyst> I had it as the default once 12:08:53 <|amethyst> it was annoying 12:09:00 <|amethyst> because most artefacts you don't even want to try 12:09:03 there are usually only a handful of artefact types that i care about, even among things that are usable 12:09:03 this game picks up wands of magic dart by default 12:09:04 <|amethyst> wrong weapon class 12:09:08 right 12:09:18 <|amethyst> wrong heaviness of armour 12:09:19 <|amethyst> etc 12:09:40 <|amethyst> err, I meant I had it in my rc, not as the default 12:09:46 right 12:10:20 <|amethyst> it would be nice to have an option or include for smarter wand handling 12:10:39 <|amethyst> hm 12:10:52 <|amethyst> actually, most of the time I just want to pick up one of a wand, then I might drop it 12:11:17 <|amethyst> so, other than wands identified by monsters, pickup of unided only would mostly work for me 12:11:19 smart wand handling: remove certain wands from autopickup based on character XL? 12:12:30 <|amethyst> but something like that shouldn't be a default 12:12:37 <|amethyst> because it really depends on playstyle 12:13:13 better idea 12:13:21 stop spawning certain wands past a certain absolute depth 12:13:46 <|amethyst> that means more of other ones 12:13:51 <|amethyst> s/other/the other/ 12:14:21 yes, but who is actually going to use a wand of magic darts at d:11 12:14:24 <|amethyst> could tune down the frequency of wands altogether too, but the base class distribution doesn't currently depend on depth at all 12:14:41 and they're very relevant in ziggurats too 12:14:49 <|amethyst> who's going to use a dagger on d:11 etc 12:14:52 Yeah we don't have much finesse with item distributions right now. 12:15:15 i think they're OK how they are 12:15:27 (why spawn cursed +0 items past depth 12) 12:15:41 i think frost and flame should just go away 12:15:48 and make magic dart a little better 12:15:50 ??artificer 12:15:51 artificer[1/1]: A class that starts with three wands (enslave, flame, random effects (all with 15 charges)), a +0 short sword, light armour and some evocations/fighting/dodging skill. 12:16:01 frost and flame are actually quite okay early on 12:16:04 <|amethyst> rast: the proposed wand of exploit weakness 12:16:11 |amethyst is that real 12:16:15 which is exactly why i would limit their spawn depth 12:16:21 Yeah pubby put a patch on mantis. 12:16:26 Bloax sure but its 3 wands types that are basically the same 12:16:27 Probably super rotted now. 12:16:29 because while they're a good find early on, they're useless later on 12:16:37 and just are annoying and take up more inventory space 12:16:49 <|amethyst> well 12:16:57 <|amethyst> combining them into one wouldn't reduce the number of them 12:17:03 <|amethyst> since you'd be combining the weights 12:17:16 <|amethyst> I guess you'd not combine the weights 12:17:20 right, but you'd be less tempted to carry one of each 12:17:29 and yes reducing the weights would be good 12:17:36 and increasing the charge again, perhaps 12:17:52 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:17:58 i'd also be OK with removing wands of magic dart, frost, and fire bolt 12:18:13 thus differentiating damage wands a little more beyond "exploit weakness" 12:18:30 <|amethyst> so weak fire and strong ice? 12:18:36 and strongest fire: fireball 12:18:37 -!- Finwe^ is now known as Finwe 12:18:38 <|amethyst> I guess fire does have fireball 12:18:45 <|amethyst> add wand of freeze 12:18:52 <|amethyst> :P 12:19:07 wand of glaciate 12:19:19 wand of lightning is differentiated by being loud as hell, and (i think) better reange 12:19:21 *range 12:19:34 <|amethyst> and draining by working on fewer things 12:19:34 Also bizapping. 12:19:46 it has a better piercing range since its range isn't reduced for every monster it hits 12:19:52 yeah 12:20:13 (which means that yes, you can use it to kill that stupid orc priest behind all those orcs at the edge of your LOS) 12:20:33 Bloax no you can't, he will dodge it three times ina row 12:20:36 (UNFORTUNATELY lightning is a bit inaccurate....) 12:20:38 and smite you on his turn each time 12:20:49 i'm really not sure why lightning is so inaccurate 12:20:58 "realism" 12:21:13 you can't really dodge lightning 12:21:49 a bolt of fire, maybe 12:21:49 but lightning is just about instantaneous 12:21:52 ??wand of flame 12:21:53 wand of flame[1/1]: Like wand of frost, except throw flame instead of throw frost. Not to be confused with the {wand of fire}, which is much more powerful. 12:21:59 ??throw flame 12:22:00 throw flame[1/1]: Level 2 fire/conjuration spell, identical (with only difference being range) to throw frost. Does 2d9 damage at max power. 12:22:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:36 what's the current damage on wand of flame? 12:22:42 i assume its based on evocations 12:22:47 does it have a cap? 12:23:04 ??wand power 12:23:04 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 2.5 * Evocations 12:23:13 oh, that's simple 12:23:17 wait, item weights are still a thing? 12:23:20 does it cap at the same place the spell would? 12:23:35 Zaba generation weights 12:23:37 iunno 12:23:39 ah 12:24:10 -!- Guest20931 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:24:26 <|amethyst> rast: yes, it uses the zap and the zap has power cap 50 12:24:38 <|amethyst> rast: (which isn't necessarily the same as the spell, but is here) 12:24:51 <|amethyst> (I think if it's not the same you'd end up with the smaller) 12:25:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6 (34) 12:25:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:14 so even if we uncapped it, it still doesn't go over 2d9 damage unelss its special cased 12:26:02 ? 12:26:11 it would 12:26:18 <|amethyst> err 12:26:19 <|amethyst> yeah 12:26:21 <|amethyst> it would 12:26:36 <|amethyst> sorry, I meant if it's not the same, the *spell* would end up with the smaller 12:26:41 <|amethyst> wands don't look at the spell cap 12:27:00 <|amethyst> (just the zap cap) 12:27:18 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:23 -!- agolden has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:52 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:13 and you need 14 evocations just to hit the 2d9 cap 12:28:45 though with 2 evocations you're doing 2d6 12:28:45 @??hill giant 12:28:45 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 45-74 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 657 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 12:29:06 <|amethyst> yeah... and if the zap cap were removed it would go up to 2d12-ish, since wand power only goes up to 82 12:29:33 the short story is that throw flame/frost sucks 12:29:48 the long story is that even if you try hard, throw flame/frost still sucks 12:29:59 <|amethyst> and that spells are better than wands 12:30:12 fr wand of firestorm 12:30:19 Hmm. wand of conjure flame? 12:30:42 <|amethyst> I don't think we need more spell-duplicating wands 12:30:50 <|amethyst> unless you want to remove the spell and replace it with a wand :) 12:30:52 |amethyst this would be after wands of flame and frost are removed 12:31:21 @??orc wizard spells:fire_storm.100.magical 12:31:21 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-21 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 42 | Sp: fire storm (8d3 / 8d2) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:31:38 <|amethyst> wand of primal wave 12:32:12 rod of smiting for 2-12 damage because smiting is So Powerful 12:32:26 wand of sticky flame, allow range 7? :P 12:32:42 -!- yxhuvvd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:33:22 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:39:36 imagine glaciate except fiery 12:39:41 and it napalm'd everything it hits 12:40:37 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:49 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:03 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:52 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:11 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:33 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:34 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:51:00 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:40 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:23 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:01 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:40 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 13:15:50 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:15:53 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:17:13 I could see wand of apportation since the spell isn't super useful early game but it more useful late game. 13:17:25 (And replace it with some new L1 spell in Translocations) 13:17:38 of course the wand would have to be super rare to avoid everybody using it >_> 13:27:37 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29:25 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:32:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:34:24 not that everyone doesn't just always use the spell anyway 13:35:32 wand of shove monster 13:36:16 oh primal wave was already mentioned 13:38:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:43:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:44:52 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:50:13 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:52:21 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:32 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:16 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:24 -!- daagar_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:28 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:25 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:51 It's no longer in the learndb; was the UC crippling effect of batform removed? 13:55:45 nope 13:56:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:47 UC Skill is divided by 3 and that's not even mentioned now? o_o; 13:56:53 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:59 yes 14:06:31 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:46 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:19:11 -!- Sonata is now known as flappity 14:21:40 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:30 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:15 i'm thinking of building my first vault, with the idea of some goblins/gnolls playing cards together. do we have any props or something that'd make a good table and/or chair? atm i'm thinking i'll just color a splotch of the ground brownish to represent the table 14:27:21 -!- daagar has quit [Client Quit] 14:27:37 amalloy: That doesn't sounds like a good vault >_> Some flavor vaults are find but I think going far as recoloring is bad. 14:27:48 Maybe just have a deck? People play cards on the ground all the time. 14:28:18 that's true i guess 14:29:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:15 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:56 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:35:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:37 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:19 -!- gressup_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:36 what's wrong with apportation 14:48:46 ??crd 14:48:46 c-r-d[1/2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel 14:50:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:50:40 -!- lolok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:01:40 it's a level 1 spell that is useful throughout the entire game 15:01:44 kill 15:01:45 destroy 15:01:47 remove!!! 15:05:32 amalloy: there's nothing wrong with recolouring a floor tile 15:05:59 a bit of coloured ground to kind of represent something like that is fine 15:06:27 -!- daagar has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:07:03 just be aware that you have to pick a floor tile for tiles as well as set a colour for console 15:08:32 yeah i was wondering how it was gonna work for tiles 15:09:16 you set the colour with COLOUR and the tile with FTILE 15:09:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:09:51 for the tile you'll just need to look at the floor tilesheet and pick something reasable in terms of colour you want and not looking really weird 15:10:48 not a good idea to go overboard with it or choose really weird floor tiles, but changing tile/colour on a small number of relevant tiles is ok 15:11:36 i'm not sure my local build has tiles enabled. do i have to do anything special to compile tiles? 15:11:44 add TILES=y 15:11:51 k, thanks 15:12:07 to look between console and tiles you'd have to recompile or have seperate trees or do something like use webtiles 15:12:10 <|amethyst> probably avoid colours that conflict with halo/umbra 15:13:31 |amethyst: how do colors conflict with that? by being the same color, or...? 15:13:33 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 15:13:46 <|amethyst> cn 15:13:48 <|amethyst> err 15:13:56 <|amethyst> yeah, by being indistinguishable from them 15:14:11 Lightli: Yeah, Bloax got it. The apportation /effect/ is fine but putting it on a Level 1 spell is kind of awkward. My other idea was making it a god ability (for some new god, presumably). 15:14:29 god, no 15:14:48 just make it a higher level spell that drags all items in LOS to your current position 15:14:48 Bloax: Doesn't that also apply to Summon Butterflies and Animate Skeleton? 15:15:06 unlike apportation those two actually do a lot, yeah 15:15:14 especially animate skeleton 15:15:32 yeah, animate skeleton is a high contender for "best spell in the game" 15:16:04 meanwhile apportation is entirely useless unless you're speedrunning or ninjaing runes 15:16:26 best case it's useful for dragging loot off certain lava/deep water vaults when you don't have flight 15:16:47 Removing access to apport sounds like not a good idea 15:17:04 yeah, it's a level 1 spell that's circumstancially useful throughout the entire game 15:17:27 so is butterflies for that matter (you don't cast it all the time either after all) 15:18:01 -!- ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:28 gammafunk: That's re: possibly making it a god ability? What about re: making it a rare consumable? 15:18:41 come to think of it 15:18:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:18:45 how would you nerf animate skeleton 15:19:43 apportation is too weak to be a god ability 15:19:43 To work the spell has to pass another check against the base monster's HD/weight/size/whatever 15:20:13 Re: How to theretically nerf animate skeleton. 15:20:43 <|amethyst> doesn't that mean you just recast? 15:20:46 <|amethyst> or a deterministic check? 15:21:26 Yes something deterministic would probably be better. >_> 15:23:10 what about scale HD to spellpower 15:25:03 that'd be cool. i used to think that was how it worked anyway: i was buffing my necromancy to get better skeletons 15:25:36 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:26:13 could also pass that to animate dead...? 15:26:47 I'm pretty sure it has to be "don't get the skeleton at all" because part of the greatnest of allies is they block line of fire and such. 15:26:48 see: Summon Butterflies 15:27:20 hmm 15:27:39 make the skeleton temporary like simulac and channel? 15:27:45 duration dependent on spellpower 15:28:16 -!- sirLicksAlot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:08 that sounds like it would encourage stashing monsters. 15:29:33 "Hmm, let me not clear these guys on Vaults:4 so I can use them when stairdancing Vaults:5" or something. 15:31:02 <|amethyst> I think that's not a big deal---stashing monsters is dangerous, and things like vamp. drain, corpse rot, powered by death, etc already encourage it as much as these will 15:31:31 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:41 simulacrum already has the same "issue" too 15:31:42 <|amethyst> (well, maybe vamp. drain only for DD) 15:31:54 though honestly i dont think ive ever seen anyone store dudes to make simulacra before 15:32:35 I dunno, it seems more efficient to use the guys on the first V:5 stairdance for skeletons instead of V:4 dudes 15:32:58 the corpses will be immediately next to the stairs 15:33:49 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:02 Ok, maybe it isn't a issue. 15:39:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:43:55 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:42 -!- logan_ is now known as Guest38079 15:49:52 -!- Grujah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:50:55 elliptic has 23 spectators. 15:51:12 !streak tedronai 15:51:13 Tedronai has 32 consecutive wins (HOBe, DDBe, DsBe, TrBe, TeBe, LOBe, HuBe, KoBe, MiBe, GrBe, OgBe, HaBe, MfBe, NaBe, CeBe, DrBe, VSBe, HEBe, SpBe, VpBe, FoBe, GhBe, FeBe, DEBe, OpBe, MuBe, GhMo, MiWn, TrAK, HODK, DgWn, MfAs). 15:51:18 !streak :elliptic 15:51:19 elliptic has 32 consecutive wins (TeCj, KoEE, VSEE, NaNe, DDFi, KoCj, OpMo, CeCK, DgEE, MiCK, HEAs, VSFi, CeAE, DrAr, OgNe, NaBe, HuAE, SpAM, OpFE, DDAs, FoSk, SpIE, VSSk, GrTm, HOSk, HOGl, MiAK, HuAK, OgHu, DDAr, FoFE, MiWr), and can keep going! 15:51:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:13 !streak 15:59:14 johnstein has 2 consecutive wins (GrBe, MfTm) and has won their last game (HOGl). 15:59:20 woo! 15:59:29 elliptic: a book of summonings?!?! 16:00:00 first two are somewhat tainted from meleebug, but the last one is legit. trying to extend that streak with DgWn. heard that's the cheater combo 16:00:07 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:14 johnstein: the ultimate power... 16:00:15 gammafunk: for recall for kza if I ever find animate dead 16:00:23 ok phew! 16:00:24 though actually I'm about to go jiyva so 16:00:31 my world was turned upside down for a moment 16:00:40 good thing kiku doesn't know how to use IRC 16:01:06 ??kza 16:01:06 kza[1/1]: !lm hjklyubn deas type=orb 1 -tv 16:01:28 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:01:32 !lm hjklyubn deas type=orb 1 -tv 16:01:33 1. hjklyubn, XL24 DEAs, T:88166 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 16:01:46 oh rip 16:01:50 but I think I know what that is 16:02:18 hint: it involves kiku, animate dead, recall, and zot:5 ninjaing 16:02:28 yeah I watched you do it in a ttyrec one time 16:03:24 Mottled Draconian of Jiyva Jantesixt...... 16:03:27 this was a close thing 16:05:56 what, you animate a kajillion zombies or something and constantly have a massive meatshield while recalling? 16:07:04 <|amethyst> which reminds me 16:07:08 <|amethyst> !lg * recent max=ac 16:07:10 690724. Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 16:07:11 <|amethyst> !lg * recent max=ac x=ac 16:07:14 690724. [ac=438] Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 16:07:18 <|amethyst> !lg * recent max=ac x=ac,status 16:07:21 690724. [ac=438;status=mighty,brilliant,agile,phasing,flying,very slightly contaminated,corpse armour] Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 16:12:48 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:13:49 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19:12 -!- Weretaco has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:17 -!- Sonderblade has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20:04 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:19 !messages 16:20:20 (1/1) Mandevil said (1d 1h 42m 24s ago): Why is Lantell not announcing any kills? 16:20:41 ??dgwn[2 16:20:41 dgwn[2/2]: 神々の末裔放浪者 16:20:44 ??dgwn[1 16:20:45 dgwn[1/2]: when I first started playing I met some Japanese players who were remarkably better than anyone I've seen play, to this day, and they said that Demigod Wanderers were so easy to ascend with that they classified runs as DgWn runs and Non-DgWn runs 16:20:51 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:52 -!- Guest38079 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:20:54 anyone know who "I" is? 16:20:58 Ayutzia 16:21:19 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:29 !tell mandevil I'm not entirely sure 16:21:29 TZer0: OK, I'll let mandevil know. 16:21:34 !tell mandevil will look into it 16:21:35 TZer0: OK, I'll let mandevil know. 16:21:36 is there something I'm missing on why DgWn are so OP? or is that the entirety of the joke? 16:21:46 and it was bupper, a longtime japanese player, who told him the DgWn was very good 16:22:17 I just finished O:4 and I'm feeling stronger now, but it's really weird not having any god abilities 16:22:28 i don't exactly think they would have such a classification if they knew all the shit that i know 16:22:29 the joke is more or less along the lines of "tiles player being relatively clueless" 16:22:34 yes 16:22:58 gammafunk: why does tiles have anything to do with it? 16:23:13 johnstein: because tiles players a relatively clueless compared to console players 16:23:19 since the latter tend to have been playing a lot longer 16:23:57 -!- ly^_ is now known as ly^ 16:24:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24:26 do i have to recompile to test changes to vaults, or is that all done at runtime? 16:25:15 shouldn't have to 16:25:21 I didn't have to 16:25:42 tiles dominates the top score charts though 16:25:57 !lg . tiles 16:25:58 203. johnstein the Axe Maniac (L27 HOGl of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2015-03-29 07:15:09, with 2725450 points after 91483 turns and 13:36:56. 16:26:03 !lg . !tiles 16:26:04 11. johnstein the Ducker (L3 OpBe of Trog), blasted by an orc wizard (magic dart) on D:3 on 2014-08-31 07:11:55, with 55 points after 1863 turns and 0:32:08. 16:26:06 amalloy: Should be runtime. 16:26:09 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:49 while console is more in the lowest turncount win/fastest realtime win category 16:27:21 (although the latter i am currently endangering) 16:29:10 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:02 -!- quik has quit [Quit: "Essere morto, spagnolo" Un italiano a un español, tras perder una mano de poker] 16:30:19 -!- ark___ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:54 -!- renser has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:40:32 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43:59 tiles dominating in general is surely to be expected since tiles is much more popular 16:44:06 !lg * recent / tiles 16:44:12 559064/690791 games for * (recent): N=559064/690791 (80.93%) 16:46:36 !lm tabstorm ghmo won start 16:46:37 No keyword 'start' 16:46:40 !lm tabstorm ghmo won 1 16:46:41 1/107. [2015-03-15 20:55:41] tabstorm the Ruffian (L1 GhMo) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 16:47:06 !lm tabstorm ghmo won s=gid 16:47:06 107 milestones for tabstorm (ghmo won): 107x tabstorm:cxc:20150215205539S 16:47:12 !lm tabstorm ghmo won x=cv 16:47:13 107. [2015-03-22 21:53:29] [cv=0.17-a] tabstorm the Wrestler (L27 GhMo of Cheibriados) left the Realm of Zot on turn 30068. (Zot:1) 16:47:17 !lm tabstorm ghmo won x=vlong 16:47:18 107. [2015-03-22 21:53:29] [vlong=0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679] tabstorm the Wrestler (L27 GhMo of Cheibriados) left the Realm of Zot on turn 30068. (Zot:1) 16:47:43 !lm tabstorm ghmo won x=vlong 1 16:47:44 1/107. [2015-03-15 20:55:41] [vlong=0.17-a0-82-g3e33fa6] tabstorm the Ruffian (L1 GhMo) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 16:47:59 !lm tabstorm ghmo won x=vlong<0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679 16:47:59 Broken query near '<0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679' 16:48:03 !lm tabstorm ghmo won vlong<0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679 16:48:03 92. [2015-03-22 20:59:31] tabstorm the Wrestler (L27 GhMo of Cheibriados) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:3) 16:48:09 !lm tabstorm ghmo won vlong<0.17-a0-124-gc3c9679 x=urune 16:48:09 92. [2015-03-22 20:59:31] [urune=14] tabstorm the Wrestler (L27 GhMo of Cheibriados) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:3) 16:49:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:51:47 i'm having trouble testing my vault: i'ce added a map to mini_monsters.des, recompiled just in case, but when i use &L to place my vault by its name, it says "Can't find map named 'amalloy_card_club'". i can place other vaults from the same file, though, such as lightli_wizard_tower. is there some step i'm missing, or something i can do to debug why the map doesn't exist? 16:52:20 map definition, in case someone wants to read over it and point out obvious errors, is at https://www.refheap.com/7ccdf81ec77e4a026241ff1b8 16:52:32 Well first check you didn't mistype the name in either the vault or the &L box. 16:52:39 Oh, and did you use * for local placement? 16:52:58 Wait no that error couldn't have been caused by not using * never mind. 16:53:57 tried with and without *. just in case of invisible typos, i tried copy/pasting the map name from the definition into wizmode 16:54:48 maybe a .des cache thing? i don't know how all that stuff works 16:55:21 hm maybe i'm actually playing a version from debian and not the one i'm compiling 16:55:56 ah, i ran make but not make install. okay 16:57:00 got it. running from the version of crawl inside the source dir, and i'm now getting .des errors from my map definition 17:07:01 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:31 amalloy: Progress1 17:09:32 s/1/!/ 17:09:46 reaverb: yep. got it all going pretty well now 17:14:23 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:14:28 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:41 !lg . mugl 17:14:42 7. gammafunk the Warrior (L26 MuGl of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-11-20 23:47:02, with 1348127 points after 113723 turns and 11:07:40. 17:15:26 !lg . recent mumo 17:15:26 5. BLOAX the Wrestler (L27 MuMo of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-04-05 05:35:57, with 1759702 points after 64466 turns and 2:43:27. 17:16:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:16:43 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:03 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 17:24:56 -!- FreeDome has quit [Excess Flood] 17:30:11 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:56 if my vault is a 5x5 room, with rock walls all around, it kinda sticks out a bit on the map. is it encouraged to randomly sub some of the floor tiles with rock walls or statues or something, to make it look less conspicuouslyregular? 17:32:22 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-465-g279efb6 (34) 17:32:40 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:17 it's going to be conspicuously a vault pretty much no matter what 17:34:06 not sure why you would want it to be inconspicuous in the first place, isn't being conspicuous the whole point of vaults? 17:34:11 yeah i guess so. i'll just leave it consicuous. it looks silly with extra rock walls anyway 17:34:19 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-466-ge87b2fe: Don't allow self-targeting Tukima's Dance (|amethyst) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e87b2fe023d7 17:36:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-467-g5c4fa29: Fix messaging for out-of-sight monsters re-entering water/lava 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c4fa29842cb 17:36:54 it just seems to stick out a bit on the map. maybe i should make it a floating vault instead of a minivault? it seems weird to have a 7x7 blob dropped into the middle of what's otherwise a mostly open space; it would feel better at the end of a corridor or something 17:36:59 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:44 yeah it just looks a lot better floating than mini 17:39:16 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:42:23 <|amethyst> @??dancing weapon ; dagger 17:42:23 dancing weapon (10() | Spd: 20 | HD: 15 | HP: 20 | AC/EV: 4/20 | Dam: 8 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 913 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:42:36 <|amethyst> @??dancing weapon ; flail 17:42:36 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 28 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 904 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:42:39 <|amethyst> @??orc ; flail 17:42:39 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:42:53 do any living monsters have rN other than shadow dragon and josephine? 17:42:55 <|amethyst> Tukima's feels a little powerful 17:43:01 <|amethyst> for level 3 17:43:18 <|amethyst> I guess it's situational though 17:43:33 |amethyst: monster gives stats for max power dancing weapons 17:43:39 <|amethyst> aha 17:43:43 <|amethyst> damage scales? 17:44:00 <|amethyst> ??tukima's dance 17:44:00 tukima's dance[1/3]: A level 3 Hexes spell that animates the weapon of the targeted creature, creating a {dancing weapon}, and causes it to attack its former owner exclusively, {Haunt}-style. 17:44:13 <|amethyst> @??dancing weapon hd:5 ; flail 17:44:13 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 28 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 904 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:44:25 that won't work 17:44:31 <|amethyst> ??tukima's dance[2] 17:44:31 tukima's dance[2/3]: A weapon animated by the player has 50+(power/2)% of the speed a normally spawned one would have. Power is capped at 100. 17:44:34 <|amethyst> ah, it's speed 17:44:58 it also scales the AC/EV 17:45:06 -!- Silas is now known as fazisi 17:45:16 and the HP 17:45:27 <|amethyst> still, it feels like tukima's on (say) an orc warrior gives a more effective ally than enslavement did 17:45:43 <|amethyst> but I guess I should look at the stats in-game more closely 17:46:14 yep, it scales the damage too 17:46:22 <|amethyst> ah 17:46:31 <|amethyst> I guess I did have fairly high hexes 17:46:57 so you only get hall of blades quality weapons with 100 hexes power 17:47:09 otherwise you get worse speed, hd, hp, ac, ev, dam 17:47:35 <|amethyst> Definitely not complaining as a player 17:47:47 <|amethyst> it was more fun than enslavement too 17:48:11 <|amethyst> (and I guess it helps that orcs come in packs and often have axes) 17:48:31 idea: make animate skeleton create a weak skeletal servant depending on spellpower, so that it's still good early on but not so much later on 17:48:38 <|amethyst> (though that was the same with enslavement) 17:48:44 can I tell travis not to build my branch? 17:49:05 Lightli: uh wouldn't scaling with power do literally the opposite of that 17:49:21 I mean capping at really weak 17:49:25 And starting weaker 17:50:08 (i.e. make the servant summoned at best slightly stronger than a small mammal, maybe on par with a crimson imp tops) 17:50:22 <|amethyst> bh: 1. it might work to just remove travis.yml in the branch 17:50:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:50:39 <|amethyst> bh: 2. if not, you could use this in the branch's .travis.yml 17:50:41 <|amethyst> branches: 17:50:43 <|amethyst> except: 17:50:48 <|amethyst> - mybranchname 17:51:02 Lightli: IMO giving them a duration would be better 17:51:14 that would also work 17:51:20 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:22 |amethyst: thanks 17:52:08 ??explore mode 17:52:08 I don't have a page labeled explore_mode in my learndb. 17:52:14 What the heck is explore mode? 17:52:35 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:39 halfway between wizard mode and regular mode 17:52:54 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:55 <|amethyst> bh: "Die?" but no other wizmode features 17:53:00 ah 17:53:03 -!- Foamed has quit [Client Quit] 17:53:33 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:41 -!- Foamed has quit [Client Quit] 17:55:32 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:55:45 03bh02 07[flags] * 0.17-a0-437-g1fc0cf9: Disable travis for flags branch 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fc0cf93e282 18:02:09 <|amethyst> Remember to rebase that out before you put it in trunk :) 18:02:44 -!- daagar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:20 <|amethyst> hm 18:03:39 <|amethyst> that seems not to have worked? 18:03:46 <|amethyst> https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/57283559 18:04:16 travis is a jerk, obviously :) 18:04:45 <|amethyst> aha 18:04:46 <|amethyst> found it 18:05:08 <|amethyst> there's a "Build only if .travis.yml is present" flag under settings in Travis, changing it 18:06:04 <|amethyst> cancelled that build... if that worked right, subsequent pushes to that branch should be ignored by travis 18:06:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:07:42 <|amethyst> oh whoops 18:07:45 <|amethyst> forgot to push this 18:09:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:45 what's the meaning of `rc_only` in parse_args? 18:10:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:28 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:30 <|amethyst> bh: from main: 18:10:34 <|amethyst> // Parse command line args -- look only for initfile & crawl_dir entries. 18:10:37 <|amethyst> if (!parse_args(argc, argv, true)) 18:10:40 <|amethyst> { 18:10:42 <|amethyst> _show_commandline_options_help(); 18:10:45 <|amethyst> return 1; 18:10:47 <|amethyst> } 18:10:51 floooooood :) 18:10:54 <|amethyst> first pass to find the init file, then a second pass after reading the init file 18:12:33 so i've written a draft v1 of this card-playing vault i thought of, and would like to expose it to public scrutiny/review/vilification. is that a github PR, a mantis ticket, or just a gist of the vault definition in ##crawl-dev? 18:12:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:12:52 imo toss it onto sprunge 18:12:59 or pastebin or something 18:13:10 https://www.refheap.com/32280827c7770888390a103ac 18:13:12 I guess you can put it on mantis if you want 18:13:20 oo, haven't seen that one before. 18:13:27 PleasingFungus: it's the one we use in #clojure 18:13:52 has a convenient emacs plugin for pasting to, so i just use it for everything 18:14:18 emacs.... 18:14:22 oh whoops 18:14:27 i forgot the map glyphs 18:15:19 there. edited them in 18:15:38 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 18:17:41 imo mention that there's about a 19% chance of any given e having an item 18:18:08 DEPTH: D:2-5, D:11-14, Orc, Elf, !Orc:$, !Elf:$ 18:18:17 that's a rather peculiar depth 18:18:26 artisanal hand-crafted monster sets 18:18:42 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:13 amalloy: probably you'd want to make the deck scale with depth or something and just place it in D 18:19:13 amalloy: I wouldn't have a chance of an ornate deck...a regular deck is decent loot for fighting a single monster pack. 18:19:28 ...no it isn't in many of the places where that vault occurs 18:19:34 PleasingFungus: so that it doesn't look like there's a giant pile of loot or what? 18:19:37 imo a deck is garbage loot 18:19:45 amalloy: just for reference for anyone looking at / considering editing the vault 18:19:52 since it's not obvious from the weights 18:19:53 s/loot// 18:20:06 I've found decks pretty strong since the "you can evoke them from inventory" and "nemelex card reworks" changes. 18:20:09 yeah the deck is just there for theming obviously 18:20:44 you can evoke them from inventory changes nothing about deck power 18:21:15 some of the new cards are powerful but certainly not for plain very far into D 18:21:15 gammafunk: but the food cost of swapping! 18:21:22 it's true, beware the food cost 18:21:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-468-g2a4c9a4: Make the dungeon overview respect easy_exit_menu (#9611) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a4c9a483866 18:22:19 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:22:51 what does easy_exit_menu do 18:22:57 I guess I could check for myself 18:23:10 ahh. ok 18:23:11 it's what Cheibriados says 18:25:34 I've found cards like Fortitude pretty decent as far as the Lair rune branches. Decks can be spammed before engaging something until you get something good. Maybe I'm just more willing to use them than other consumables :/ 18:27:02 amalloy: what I'd do with this is probably make it a plain / ornate w:2 for some reasonable absdepth, ornate / legendary w:2 for orc, and maybe just legendary in elf 18:27:19 ah, that sounds cool 18:27:28