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Tabstorm the Executioner (L22 MiBe of The Shining One), blasted by a hellion (burst of hellfire) (created by the effects of Hell) on Dis:7 (dis_hangedman) on 2015-04-01 22:13:20, with 449692 points after 17332 turns and 2:38:43. 00:01:47 !lg * recent br=dis / status~~petrify 00:01:48 0/186 games for * (recent br=dis): N=0/186 (0.00%) 00:02:00 !lg * recent br=dis / status~~petr 00:02:01 8/186 games for * (recent br=dis): N=8/186 (4.30%) 00:04:41 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:05:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:25 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 00:11:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-430-g8a98999 (34) 00:16:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:21:25 -!- causative has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:26:03 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:26:14 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:45 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-2; y: -2; link: 27006 01:10:57 Item staff of wizardry claims to be held by monster DEAD MONSTER, but it isn't 01:11:01 in the monster's inventory. 01:11:03 is this worth a report 01:11:42 are you by some chance with xombaby 01:12:38 That message has happened to me before 01:12:46 I reported it but nothing happened 01:13:23 Like you, I was with Ashenzari 01:13:37 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:43:09 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:01 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:53:49 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:54:53 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:08:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:09:02 @??giant_spore 02:09:02 giant spore (03*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 03plant, lev | Res: 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 02:11:42 -!- Z_LAMP has 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know. 07:19:58 !tell Napkin checkout branch 'no-crawl-ref' to try that 07:19:58 wheals: OK, I'll let napkin know. 07:20:59 !tell pleasingfungus not so sure about that wand commit... seems to me it would make more sense to let them be generated with/pick up wands but just not zap them 07:21:00 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:21:00 i have like... 5 repositories, all with local adjustments, all dealing with crawl-ref subdirectory 07:21:00 Napkin: You have 35 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:21:22 !tell pleasingfungus but i can understand not wanting to deal with mon-act.cc :) 07:21:22 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 07:21:23 knowledgebots, commit emails, mingw, cdo, monster 07:21:36 and just to make it look "nicer" 07:23:11 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:17 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:23:49 Napkin: this still sounds like something a symlink would just fix 07:25:39 menu_colour categories listed in options guide don't all work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9607 by nooodl 07:28:01 -!- Amy is now known as Guest22526 07:28:38 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:27 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:30:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:31:14 -!- Lasty is now known as Lasty_ 07:40:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:49 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:47 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:32 can you customize cloud colours? 07:47:50 it looks like feature += ... doesn't match clouds 07:47:58 (because they're not proper features, i suppose) 07:48:22 i don't think so 07:48:29 could add an option 07:53:22 also an idea: invert clouds over known stairs, just like items 07:54:05 ooh, maybe over items too 07:54:22 i'm playing qazlal and it's hard to keep track of where things are sometimes when fighting around stairs 07:54:24 yeah! 08:00:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03:05 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:04:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:13 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:12 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:10 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:23:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:24:35 lol 08:24:40 -!- Bloaxor is now known as Bloax 08:24:43 !lg . -log 08:24:43 1493. Bloax, XL1 VSTm, T:16: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Bloax/morgue-Bloax-20150403-132429.txt 08:25:22 guess who took a shaft right into a qaz vault 08:27:07 rip no_rtele_into 08:28:34 -!- Amy is now known as Guest57130 08:29:38 -!- Guest22526 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31:37 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 08:32:01 -!- horsemans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:04 wheals: what happened 08:38:10 can you now spam tele on slime 6 08:38:23 i think it's just shafts 08:38:47 so i guess spam shaft self on slime:5 08:38:48 (not that it'd make spamming tele on slime 6 a good idea) 08:38:52 and then get stuck forever 08:39:15 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:39:49 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:02 !lg bloax xl=1 place=d:2 08:40:03 66. Bloax the Insei (L1 VSTm), engulfed by a cloud of flame on D:2 (nemelex_altar_shiori) on 2015-04-03 13:24:29, with 0 points after 16 turns and 0:00:13. 08:40:12 wasn't actually qaz 08:40:46 !vault nemelex_altar_shiori 08:40:47 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des;hb=HEAD#l1156 08:43:17 <|amethyst> hm 08:43:51 <|amethyst> not sure why that wouldn't be no_rtele_into 08:43:58 kvaak: in 4.1 spamming tele is literally the only way to get the slimy rune 08:44:06 ugh 08:44:22 |amethyst: is it the weird KMASK/KPROP thing? 08:45:09 <|amethyst> wheals: it is a prop so that's right 08:45:36 <|amethyst> and a kprop before subst applies to the glyphs before the substs 08:45:44 cf. #9408 08:45:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:15 Napkin: ideally, this won't require any extra work 08:46:18 <|amethyst> yeah, it's probably the same bug 08:46:22 that's what i want to test 08:46:26 !vault xom_gifts_altar 08:46:27 Can't find xom_gifts_altar. 08:46:31 that was removed, right 08:46:46 <|amethyst> doy: would you be adding a crawl-ref -> . symlink at top-level ? 08:46:56 i don't think git patches stuff in a symlinked directory 08:48:19 %git 08:48:19 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-430-g8a98999: Mention that !cancel reduces contam 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a98999889ee 08:48:19 but in any case, i have to rebase every repository 08:48:19 hm, is chei dead 08:48:19 kinda annoying, just because of cosmetics 08:48:25 just slow 08:48:30 <|amethyst> Napkin: btw, you have a github invitation waiting for you 08:48:49 |amethyst: yes, i already did that 08:49:23 hmm, let's try to find it 08:50:24 Napkin: not sure what you mean - why would this be any different than any other update? 08:50:24 <|amethyst> that would work on the other servers at least, but CDO's setup is different because it has commits for the install scripts that go on top of upstream 08:50:40 ah, i see 08:50:51 <|amethyst> OTOH, we did just break and fix some CDO builds a few days ago 08:50:58 <|amethyst> with the README.txt -> README.md rename 08:51:26 the invitation i got via mail was from https://github.com/crawl-ref, which is no more 08:51:38 <|amethyst> oh, and that doesn't work anymore huh? 08:52:07 <|amethyst> Just asked it to invite you again 08:52:21 <|amethyst> guess I'll redo that for the other five too 08:53:36 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:15 <|amethyst> hm, is there some way to see floor props in wizmode? 08:55:00 none i know of 08:55:18 debug mode might have it on xv, it has which vault it's in at least i think 08:57:23 weird githubg 08:57:53 no email, nothing in notifications... changed the earlier crawl-ref link and that worked 08:58:43 <|amethyst> hm 08:58:59 <|amethyst> I guess I needed to cancel the invite first before sending another 09:00:26 anyways, worked 09:01:05 <|amethyst> yay 09:01:27 <|amethyst> oh, yay, I have an big warning in the github list that I can't get rid of 09:01:31 <|amethyst> because I don't have 2FA 09:01:44 <|amethyst> but AFAIK you need a phone for that 09:02:25 <|amethyst> "You can always switch between receiving authentication codes through a text message or a mobile application." 09:02:41 hmm, don't remember i did that 09:02:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:50 -!- mauris_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:51 <|amethyst> you didn't, you have the orange ! too :) 09:02:56 <|amethyst> https://github.com/orgs/crawl/people 09:03:05 oh noes! 09:03:18 |amethyst: you can also just install oathtools, although that defeats the whole "2" part of 2fa 09:03:39 but that's what i did for a while when i didn't have a phone 09:04:47 the otp aspect still makes it reasonably more secure 09:06:05 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:07:06 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:08:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:12 -!- GrWz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:15:24 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15:30 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:18 !source mon-pick-data.h 09:18:19 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h;hb=HEAD 09:20:02 !lg * ikiller=firecaller -tv 09:20:03 2. LordLovebone, XL9 DgWn, T:11506 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 09:21:36 !source minmay_cut_squares 09:21:36 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des;hb=HEAD#l5227 09:21:40 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:00 !source syntax.txt 09:22:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt;hb=HEAD 09:22:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22:20 -!- SirFinkus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:22:23 heh, 9s on D:8 can just barely get firecallers. 09:22:55 wow 09:23:17 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:26 efreet too 09:23:58 you have brought the D:5 fire storm we need 09:24:28 Not the D:5 firestorm we want, but the D:5 firestorm we need. 09:24:53 To be fair, D:5 efreet is just as likely to kill you dead 09:25:01 or possibly more lifely 09:25:04 likely 09:25:15 @??efreet 09:25:16 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-49 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 357 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) [06!sil], fireball (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 09:25:22 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:25 !lg * ckaux=great_blast_of_fire s=place 09:25:26 314 games for * (ckaux=great_blast_of_fire): 140x Pan, 16x Vaults:5, 10x Vaults:4, 6x Elf:3, 6x Vaults:2, 6x Tomb:1, 5x Snake:5, 5x Vaults:1, 4x Depths:1, 4x D:13, 4x Zot:5, 3x Zig:21, 3x Zig:12, 3x D:24, 3x Zot:3, 3x D:21, 3x Snake:4, 3x Vaults:8, 3x D:19, 3x Hell, 2x D:16, 2x Shoals:5, 2x Depths:5, 2x Dis:7, 2x D:8, 2x Spider:5, 2x Zig:17, 2x D:23, 2x Depths:4, 2x Depths:2, 2x D:10, 2x Swamp:2, ... 09:25:37 good D:8s 09:25:49 !lg * ckaux=great_blast_of_fire s=killer 09:25:50 314 games for * (ckaux=great_blast_of_fire): 110x Cerebov, 14x, 3x Nexos' ghost, 2x Fungee's ghost, 2x rjrrt's ghost, 2x Suckerboh's illusion, 2x whoopy's ghost, 2x ragingrage's ghost, 2x 4tharraofdagon's illusion, 2x Jazzimus' ghost, 2x Froggeryz's ghost, 2x Horhen's ghost, 2x laxity's ghost, Towygaf, indspenceable's ghost, Galomier's illusion, techfiend's illusion, Sicruish, Choh the pandemonium... 09:25:52 !lg * ckaux=great_blast_of_fire s=ckiller 09:25:52 314 games for * (ckaux=great_blast_of_fire): 110x Cerebov, 78x a player ghost, 69x a pandemonium lord, 41x a player illusion, 8x targeting, 6x targetting, a demonspawn scorcher, the wrath of Vehumet 09:25:59 lol 09:26:06 !lg * ckaux=great_blast_of_fire ckiller~~veh 09:26:07 1. tcjsavannah the Meteorologist (L25 DrAE of Makhleb), killed by a great blast of fire invoked by the wrath of Vehumet on Elf:3 on 2014-09-15 02:10:39, with 539280 points after 76207 turns and 9:52:27. 09:26:11 good 09:26:21 8x targeting, 6x targetting 09:26:42 demonspawn scorchers have firestorm? 09:26:46 The t is a mimic! The t mimic cackles and vanishes in a puff of smoke! 09:26:48 unknown monster: "demonspawn scorcher" 09:26:48 %?? demonspawn scorcher 09:26:52 Lasty_: it was a grunt vault monster 09:26:55 oh ah 09:27:00 unknown monster: "demonspawn scorcher" 09:27:00 %0.10?demonspawn scorcher 09:27:04 unknown monster: "demonspawn scorcher" 09:27:04 %0.11?demonspawn scorcher 09:27:09 demonspawn scorcher (12@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 63-101 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 07vault | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1805 | Sp: b.fire (3d24), fireball (3d25), blink, fire storm (8d12), b.magma (3d24) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 09:27:09 %0.12?demonspawn scorcher 09:27:18 yikes 09:27:35 do firecallers attempt to firestorm you out of los if they lose you 09:27:39 !blame Grunt 09:27:39 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 09:27:44 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:27:49 kvaak: no, they cancel if you're out of los when they finish 09:27:52 aww 09:28:01 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Client Quit] 09:28:07 so since they stand still a good couple of turns an efreet is much more likely to kill you 09:28:15 kvaak: yeah, exactly 09:28:27 isn't 3.5 turns kind of excessive 09:28:31 It might be 09:28:40 @?? firecaller 09:28:40 firecaller (05p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 25-46 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 1004(fire:9-17) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 583 | Sp: conjure flame (42d1), sticky flame range (3d5), chant fire storm | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 09:28:53 I chose to err on the side of caution, since in my testing 3.0 seemed hard to respond to in a lot of situations 09:28:55 Need a positive spell frequency;got 'demonic' in 'fire storm.demonic.200' 09:28:55 %?? goblin hd:9 spells:fire_storm.demonic.200 09:29:02 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 24-46 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 522 | Sp: fire storm (8d7 / 8d8) [06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: normal. 09:29:02 %?? goblin hd:9 spells:fire_storm.200.demonic 09:29:23 unless they come in packs that damage isn't too bad for V though 09:30:48 @?? fire giant 09:30:48 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-116 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire++, 12drown | XP: 1812 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 09:31:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34:21 thrig (L14 DrTm) ASSERT(amount >= 0) in 'player.cc' at line 8149 failed. (Orc:4) 09:36:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:39:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:25 -!- thrig has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:53 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:04 0.16 bug? two un-id wands in store, buy both at 50 gold, with 100 gold available, game quits to welcome screen, presumably after first is ID'd, the second costs more money than available? 09:43:31 kvaak: yeah, but they can spawn in d too 09:45:02 thrig: sounds like a bug, tho quits to welcome screen is odd. What're the last actions in your character's log? 09:45:57 in orc:4 store, bought two wands (of digging), leave store, at welcome screen, rejoin game at last save 09:46:10 buying only one wand of digging then shows the second at more gold than I have 09:46:29 (and does not dump me to the welcome screen after exiting the store) 09:47:28 -!- causative has quit [Changing host] 09:47:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:44 hmm. Generally a crash would exit the application entirely not just save the character . . 09:48:51 I wonder if it's somehow sending a "save game" input 09:49:20 "back to the welcome screen" seems like a crash. I then can start playing again from the last save point 09:49:50 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:49:51 (this is, or was, on crawl.develz.org) 09:50:09 oh well then yes it crashed hard 09:50:24 thrig: oh, so when you reloaded the game was in a prior state? 09:50:24 probably due to having negative gold, I'd imagine 09:50:32 last save, yes 09:50:37 you just made it sound like it sent you back to the welcome screen of offline crawl 09:50:51 ah, negative gold crash sounds more likely then . . . 09:51:02 (why does negative gold crash the game) 09:51:13 Presumably an assert fails 09:51:23 you should never be able to get into a negative gold state 09:51:34 probably some interaction between wand-ID and how-much-wands-cost vs prior-purchase-of-un-id-wands 09:51:35 we didn't get a crash notice here 09:51:46 [16:34:35] thrig (L14 DrTm) ASSERT(amount >= 0) in 'player.cc' at line 8149 failed. (Orc:4) 09:51:48 |amethyst: is there a way to see a log of failed asserts? 09:51:53 ah, there we go 09:52:11 Missed that in channel 09:52:21 thrig: so yeah, definitely a bug. Could you file a mantis report? 09:52:28 how do I do that? 09:54:29 has anyone ever noticed how crawl characters are the most stupid buggers 09:54:54 "hey here's some junk wand my uncle brought back years ago that i've had lying in my attic" 09:54:58 "that'll be 39 gold" 09:55:05 "hey, this is actually a wand of heal wounds!" 09:55:14 "oh! that'll be 523 then!" 09:55:20 "it's good to be honest!!" 09:55:48 evri tim 09:56:31 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 10:06:33 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14:17 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:43 Bloax: indeed. 10:16:20 this interaction is kind of silly since if you placed something unidentified on your shopping list from those shops you'll come back to find that it doesn't cost 29 gold but 129 10:16:33 when you actually find out what that item was 10:16:36 -!- Archevanescent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:49 ??crawl_realism 10:16:50 realism of crawl[1/11]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 10:16:55 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:17:55 since when is this related to realism 10:18:16 it's just a weird, buggy interaction antique general shops have 10:19:06 The interaction has positive gameplay (you get a discount if you gamble on the unknown) and you don't like it because it's not how people would behave in real life, as you detailed above. 10:19:16 hence, realism 10:19:45 wanna know how this could be done better 10:19:50 it's very, very simple 10:20:00 instead of having those things identified 10:20:03 just always sell items like 10:20:04 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:06 "scroll", 29 gold 10:20:12 "wand", 120 gold 10:20:20 keyword: always 10:20:29 you don't know what you're signing up for! 10:20:52 and you don't get hilarious bugs like those two 10:28:42 dpeg: Oh, you !seen'd me a couple days back? >_> 10:29:02 as in, I read in the logs you used !seen on me, so I presume there's something you want to discuss with me :D 10:29:17 -!- Zigurun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:04 Lasty_: 9608 10:32:16 multi-wand purchase-IDing results in negative gold 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9608 by thrig 10:34:04 thrig: Thanks! 10:34:42 Bloax: then you don't get the psychological incentive to buy it before you ID the item and raise the price. 10:35:41 reaverb: yeah, I did! 10:35:45 dpeg: can you see this? 10:35:54 Lasty_: yes! 10:36:01 I don't know why pm isn't working :( 10:36:09 But you can get a list of monsters in enum.h 10:36:12 !source enum.h 10:36:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/enum.h;hb=HEAD 10:36:19 Lasty_: thx 10:36:29 on line 2410 10:36:32 reaverb: you tried the altar corruption for Lugonu, right? And then it turned out to be too tedious, with going back to the ET all the time? 10:37:05 Lasty_: yes, I know, but there was some convenient table ... somewhere :) Don't bother too long with it, I am just worried I forgot some slowpoke for my c-r-d mail. 10:37:21 zoqfot (L15 DECj) ASSERT(in_non_diamond_int(r.start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 217 failed. (Spider:4) 10:38:18 dpeg: I tried doing it without making the god wrath, and that didn't work. I didn't set up a test with god wrath. Altar corruption felt like something much bigger than "remove corpses sacrifices from Lugonu", and I didn't see a reason for the former to hol up the latter. 10:38:40 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:39:00 reaverb: I see. I thought a bit about the matter, and I think I have an idea for how to make altar corruption much more rare, and (therefore) more relevant. 10:39:15 I cannot paste links here, but it's on the devwiki. 10:39:25 dpeg: Sure, I'll find it. 10:39:32 hmm 10:39:38 agree it wouldn't work without wrath... it'd be a chore like corpse saccing, only with travel :) 10:39:45 dpeg: oh, heh. I'm not sure where there's a convenient table. :) 10:39:50 Grunt: in a thoughtful mood? :) 10:39:58 dpeg: hmm 10:40:19 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:lugonu&do=diff 10:40:20 mapstat and obstat work a LOT faster for spider it seems 10:40:25 I am assuming that is the proposal :) 10:40:47 !learn add Grunt how to distinguish talkative from taciturn Grimm: "hmm" vs "hm" 10:40:48 grunt[28/28]: how to distinguish talkative from taciturn Grimm: "hmm" vs "hm" 10:41:04 grr, Grunt vs Grimm 10:41:10 we can't have 28 entries :( 10:41:22 !learn del grunt[28] 10:41:23 Deleted grunt[28/28]: how to distinguish talkative from taciturn Grimm: "hmm" vs "hm" 10:41:27 Grunt: then you need to learn to be less interesting 10:41:44 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:13 !learn set grunt[27] we can't have 28 entries :( Grunt: then you need to learn to be less interesting 10:42:14 grunt[27/27]: we can't have 28 entries :( Grunt: then you need to learn to be less interesting 10:42:20 Grunt: did you see the recent Nethack activity? 10:42:27 dpeg: I did! 10:42:51 Grunt: but you're a jolly good fellow, we like you! 10:43:03 ??dpeg[black heart 10:43:03 dpeg[11/15]: Grunt: no, everyone is happy with your black heart! 10:43:11 be consistent! :) 10:43:33 secretly grunt is now a nethack dev 10:43:41 I am not a NetHack dev. :b 10:43:47 * dpeg is in cringer mode, to prevent Grunt from defecting to NH� 10:43:49 very secretlyu 10:44:10 (though given recent additions over thataway I would not be surprised if some of my code ended up in NetHack eventually) 10:44:33 it'll just take, uh, ten years? :) 10:44:40 also when are salamanders going to be fixed up :( 10:50:39 (and even better question, when are salamanders going to be a feature??) 10:52:27 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:55:34 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:00:24 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:14:13 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:05 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:17 * gammafunk gazes at Grunt. Grunt has turned to stone. 11:18:37 11:32:10 objstat is pretty useful 11:32:13 probably obvious 11:32:32 * johnstein gots too many moths of wrath 11:33:21 I've got objstat runs of spider, snake, and swamp where each rune end vault is set to 9999 weight 11:33:36 pulled into excel and hid all the monsters that don't show up in any vault 11:34:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:37:54 johnstein: yeah I've thought of making it omit monsters that don't appear 11:38:26 perhaps that and dumping each table to a distinct file 11:39:00 but as for useful, well that's maybe a stretch. It's pretty good for crawl trivia though :) 11:39:37 johnstein: if you're looking for something to hack on, though, objstat is fairly straightforward 11:40:00 gammafunk: it's really useful that it outputs the monsters in the same order 11:40:07 that's making my semi-manual process easier 11:40:23 monsters in the same order across files, or what do you mean? 11:40:57 I think changing the order case of monster name might make sense 11:40:58 well, it's nice for me to ensure that when my vault appears, the overall monster distribution is similar. at least as a starting point. obviously the vault layout could affect whether the vault should have more or less 11:41:17 all objstat files have the same monster order at the end 11:41:23 ah, yeah 11:41:26 so it's an easy copy/paste to excel 11:41:35 so I don't have to screw around with rearranging equations 11:41:43 or having to write some vba to do it 11:41:47 I think use monster name sort instead of enum order would be an improvement, though 11:42:07 right now it's just enum order, so essentially "order of when it was added to crawl" iirc 11:42:14 I don't care what order it's in actually. just nice it's the same order every time 11:42:40 I've got a feeling though that I still won't be able to save my spider vault 11:47:44 gammafunk: Is there a way to see the cumulative XP distribution? (So how much is on D:1, how much is on D:1-2, how much is on D:1-3, etc.) 11:47:59 In objstat 11:48:14 reaverb: just add up those values from D:1 through D:3 in a spreadsheet 11:48:24 gammafunk: Cool. 11:48:31 it gives you values by level as well as from the entire branch 11:48:56 you do have to keep in mind that monsters spawn as turns go on, which isn't captured by objstat 11:49:12 although that's something I'd like to add, have it wait N turns and then do the counting 11:49:54 as I've understood it most of the monsters you kill when you clear a floor in D or lair don't exist right after you've pressed > 11:49:57 is that correct? 11:50:13 I don't think that's actually true 11:50:19 hm 11:51:10 most do, unless you linger long enough that reswawn numbers overcome that initial set 11:51:31 iirc this came up in a discussion about you getting a free turn when you enter a floor for the first time 11:51:37 kvaak: that's something that I've seen people say but I have no idea where it came from; I don't think anyone's ever done the numbers 11:51:37 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:51:41 and the same being true for monsters when you enter it after that 11:52:01 you'd just have to look at the spawn rate 11:52:02 hold on 11:52:54 !tell wheals it seems weird to me that monsters would pick up wands that they have no interest in zapping... agreed that the difference in generation is not ideal, might be best to just bail from the loop if we get a too-low-level wand? 11:52:54 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 11:53:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:26 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15422&p=211062#p211062 11:54:24 !tell Lasty firecaller caused an enum conflict with my moon troll in my moon_base branch when I rebased it! I hope you now realize just how much your silly monster is breaking crawl! 11:54:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:54:41 and lo, the chain of baseless rumours continues 11:55:35 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:36 gammafunk: it's crawl telling you you should have used a vault monster 11:59:28 no way man, are you telling me you don't want a milestone for killing a moon troll?! 12:00:33 PleasingFungus: you say it decreases realism, i say it increases symmetry :) 12:01:03 realism? 12:01:21 I don't think I said anything about that...... 12:02:20 "it feels weird to me"... note that the monster pickup is pretty opaque to the player so there isn't much/any gameplay difference 12:03:14 * PleasingFungus shrugs 12:03:35 which brings up the question of why i'm arguing 12:03:53 looks like after 1500 turns you'll set on average 6.24999999999 monsters generated 12:04:05 that's not counting band memebers ofc 12:04:23 the base spawn rate is 240 in normal branches 12:04:32 gammafunk: yeah, i think i remember ais523 or someone saying that crawl places way more monsters at level gen (compared to over time) than most roguelikes 12:04:33 and it's 5/240 chance of getting a spawn every 5 turns 12:05:08 kvaak: so it's not all that many spawns 12:05:51 yeah, I thought as much 12:05:53 I really should add that -wait N option 12:06:01 it'd be fun to see what you got after long times 12:06:16 D:1 firecallers 12:06:20 which is why I found that statement coming from crate really weird 12:06:43 kvaak: it is different in the abyss, or if you have the orb, or if you've been on the level longer 12:06:51 I know that post wasn't the first time I'd seen that claim 12:06:59 for whatever it's worth 12:07:13 good thing pretty much none of those are relevant! 12:07:51 except abyss in the sense that spamming tele makes dying pretty much impossible 12:08:45 'erase the level' is a powerful effect. 12:09:17 maaaan I'd liked 2 erase da 'byss 12:09:22 *like 12:09:26 rude. 12:09:48 PleasingFungus: My narrative is that google invented the abyss (because of bh) 12:10:16 that's true. 12:10:18 it's canon. 12:10:23 wow, just ocurred to me that we could make kind of an unwiki based on crawl misconceptionns and rumours 12:10:33 I thought that was called 'the wiki' 12:10:37 ouch 12:10:40 -!- Guest57130 is now known as flappity 12:11:06 (did you know 'lugonu the unformed' is an anagram of 'larry page, the ceo'?) 12:11:09 Somewhere far away, Moogledan is weeping softly 12:11:33 how can it be an anagram if there are no 'a's in lugonu the unformed 12:11:55 (me) [joke]--> 12:12:39 Napkin: do you feel pretty strongly that we shouldn't bother with the crawl-ref dir deletion? 12:13:07 why firecallers 12:13:11 why not something classy, like 12:13:13 archviles 12:13:20 also make them revive corpses 12:17:01 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:19:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-430-g8a98999 (34) 12:21:23 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:23:28 -!- duralumin has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:45 Would it make a significant difference if Yred's Drain Life worked like Deep Elf Priest's Malign Offering? [Heals you; then left over HP from the drain heals all Yred perma-allies in LoS.] 12:28:09 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:34:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:09 better yet 12:35:19 why not just make it heal all of them for the same amount 12:35:22 :^) 12:35:30 (it's not like drain life heals all that much) 12:37:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:18 That's actually what malign offering does (Deep Elf Priest) Hurts you (and all allies) heals all Deep Elves by the damage done. Makes getting rid of Priests a priority, even though their DPS is really low compared to other elves. 12:38:36 now that's not true 12:38:51 they do much more damage than all other non-high-tier elves if your defenses are good 12:39:39 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:40:01 Less than conjurers, I thought? and I meant in the high tier room they are still a priority because they heal all the high tiers. 12:42:23 @??deep elf priest 12:42:24 deep elf priest (03e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-39 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 9 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 323 | Sp: pain (d11) [11!AM], malign offering (2d13) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], twisted resurrection [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:42:32 2d13 smite, 7-17 smite 12:43:41 @??deep elf conjurer 12:43:41 deep elf conjurer (02e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 602 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), b.cold (3d17), b.lightning (3d16), b.draining (3d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:45:44 meanwhile all of those check EV, AC and resists 12:46:04 -!- Plasmo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:46:09 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:46:12 lightning and draining check half AC; not full though. 12:46:30 who cares 12:46:39 it still doesn't ignore both AC and EV 12:46:52 (and line of fire) 12:46:59 which is what really makes priests annoying 12:47:17 Fact that everything does that is what makes Tomb deadly. haha 12:50:16 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 12:50:18 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:50:56 -!- agentgt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:07 I think this is a bug 12:51:22 put invo training on and leave your god 12:51:28 invo training will still be on 12:52:00 -!- raikaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:35 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:52 you can train invo if it's >0 12:54:01 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:50 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:04 was that always like that? 12:55:34 hm 12:55:46 so if you wanted to go qaz but use a unholy weapon and see ely first.... 12:56:03 you go ely and then dump her ass at 0.1 invo 12:56:11 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:56:18 if you want *shrug* 12:56:30 that sounds like a bug 12:56:42 I guess its not really that much of an advantage 12:56:57 I can only see it for fedhas 12:57:28 its actually worthwile pre-training invo as your first shroom with 5 invo is actually much better than 0 12:58:13 zin is another one 12:58:31 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:54 pick tso.. dump tso so you can use poison but still train invo 12:59:50