00:00:16 re: the orb delay, I guess a problem there is burning some turns of teleport before you pick up the orb 00:00:23 or at least one turn 00:00:35 * File: fight.cc 00:00:38 * Modified for Crawl Reference by $Author$ on $Date$ 00:00:41 since I'm not sure how the post-pickup teleport delay could work other than looking at duration till teleport 00:00:43 I shouldn't do this, should I 00:01:00 gammafunk: well, I assume it would just add some amount 00:01:15 yeah I guess that'd be the simple way, huh 00:02:01 like currently regular teleport is 30ish aut and delayed teleport is 100ish aut (haven't looked up the numbers, and they are both randomized) 00:02:02 minmay: You mean add author/date modification info to the source? I don't see why when we have git 00:02:05 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e 00:02:40 so an existing teleport delay could just get an extra 70ish aut or whatever when you pick up the orb 00:02:51 yeah that seems reasonable 00:03:56 It's certainly very spoilery that reading teleport before picking up the orb is way better 00:04:12 it would be an orb ninja nerf of course (for the people who know how teleport+orb currently works) but IMO it would be fine 00:04:40 just place that guaranteed tele trap in the orb chamber 00:04:55 gammafunk: yeah... it will of course still often be better, but only slightly better, and for the same reason that you often want to start a teleport before picking up a rune 00:05:52 elliptic: right, buring a turn of teleport in general is just a thing that naturally occurs to players once they realize how durations work 00:05:59 *burning 00:06:31 yeah, it makes perfect sense that if you start a teleport a turn early then you get the teleport a turn early... the weird thing with the orb is that you get it 10 turns early or whatever 00:09:43 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:10:34 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:12:26 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e (34) 00:12:56 -!- JamezQ has quit [Client Quit] 00:13:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d (34) 00:16:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:19:17 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d (34) 00:21:41 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:19 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:22:58 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:29:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:33:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:34:28 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:44 !tell Lasty you! +3 robe of Jetydey {rC- Int+12 Dex+2}. 00:37:44 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:40:37 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:29 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:53 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:47 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:23 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d 00:55:06 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04:53 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:25:15 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Client Quit] 01:28:23 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:30:07 _b - the amulet "Juseh" {Inacc -Tele rC+ MP-9 Str+8 Dex+6} 01:31:16 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33:00 -!- eb has quit [] 01:36:05 -!- Ajon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:02 ;-[ 01:39:31 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:40:32 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:36 -!- Siegurt has left ##crawl-dev 01:54:52 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:55:02 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:13 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:01:43 -!- jademonkey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:30 does warp weapon remove my antimagic brand? 02:04:32 ??warp weapon 02:04:32 warp weapon[1/1]: This level 5 Charms/Translocation spell applies a temporary distortion brand to a wielded weapon. 02:04:39 says "apply" not "replace" or "suppress" 02:04:40 !tell ontoclasm Congrats on winning the best class! 02:04:40 gammafunk: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 02:04:59 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:55 -!- lagged has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:09:25 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 02:12:19 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:14:43 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 02:18:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:19:11 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:23:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:38 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e 02:23:53 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:37:31 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d (34) 02:39:47 |amethyst: nice praise! 02:39:47 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:39:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:54 |amethyst: also, fix cao 0.16 scoring :) 02:41:58 |amethyst: also, which subreddit is that quote from? 02:42:12 gammafunk: did you see my !tells? 02:43:21 -!- smartrobot has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:07:25 -!- FoxySlunt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:08 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:34 gammafunk: for some value of "best" 03:22:34 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:24:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:24:42 i do heartily suggest some sort of alteration to how rmsl works 03:25:18 i dunno what it would be but as-is it works perfectly with terrible spellpower, except that it's more annoying 03:25:47 -!- gkfdd is now known as alitlebirdtoldme 03:25:55 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:26:16 -!- alitlebirdtoldme is now known as gfdhgdh 03:31:45 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:45:47 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:13 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:49:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:53:36 -!- gfdhgdh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:45 -!- Rambozo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:29 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:17:05 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:20:57 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:36:50 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:13 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:45:37 is there a way to query TOTAL GOLD the player ever had? [Spent + Ascended/Died with] 04:49:13 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:50:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:59:10 -!- GrWz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:01:42 !lg * won god!=gozag x=avg(goldspent) 05:01:43 28151 games for * (won god!=gozag): avg(goldspent)=186930.6 05:01:48 that can't be right. 05:04:45 seems like there's some mistake: 05:04:47 !lg * max=goldspent x=goldspent 05:04:50 4155944. [goldspent=2146715327] poop the Firebug (L4 OgFE), succumbed to poison on D:3 on 2009-07-31 04:17:24, with 111 points after 1763 turns and 0:04:51. 05:05:42 Older games didn't track it they give a bugged number (figured it out in main channel 05:05:43 Bcadren, maybe it needs the 'recent' keyword 05:05:47 yeah 05:07:25 also guessing goldspent doesn't include gozag abilities. Goldspent (!Gozag) = 6082; Goldspent (Gozag) = 9334. 05:07:35 If it counted the abilities the gap would be bigger. 05:08:50 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:05 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:33:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:44 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:22 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:39:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:21 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:40 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44:07 -!- Dracia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:45:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:23 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:05:22 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:06 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:26:17 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:34:35 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:42:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:43:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:43:36 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:43:55 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:44:01 <|amethyst> !time 06:44:01 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:44:02 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 11:44:01 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 8 hours, 15 minutes and 58 seconds. 06:44:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:44:52 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:46:48 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:30 <|amethyst> elliptic: btw, there is a reddit botting question that could maybe use your expertise... http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/30466m/getting_messages_since_last_ready_in_rcfile_lua/ 06:48:40 <|amethyst> elliptic: no answers in five days 06:49:04 <|amethyst> chequers: http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/30dbfx/anyone_ever_spectate_other_games_what_have_you/ 06:49:37 <|amethyst> chequers: I'll fix scoring once the tournament is over... still need to figure out how to feed it the CWZ 0.16.0 games but I have an idea 06:50:13 <|amethyst> Also, ChrisOelmueller discovered something interesting 06:51:00 <|amethyst> Namely, why I am still free despite double damage bug: http://boingboing.net/2015/03/28/prisoner-escapes-by-faking-an.html 06:51:21 <|amethyst> (I'd seen links to the article for the past few days, but I didn't actually click them so I didn't see the prisoner's name) 07:00:56 ah ok 07:01:33 !tell zxc232 scoring will be fixed after tourney 07:01:33 chequers: OK, I'll let zxc232 know. 07:01:54 yeah I figure 07:01:54 zxc232: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:01:58 !messages 07:01:59 (1/1) chequers said (26s ago): scoring will be fixed after tourney 07:04:30 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:49 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:10:22 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:23 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:11 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:04 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:26:04 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:42:05 |amethyst: I don't have a great solution to that myself, but Grunt might... I know gw relies on looking at messages a lot more than qw does 07:42:05 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:42:38 <|amethyst> thanks 07:42:44 <|amethyst> Grunt: elliptic suggests you might know how to solve this guy's botting problem: http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/30466m/getting_messages_since_last_ready_in_rcfile_lua/ 07:43:18 <|amethyst> (There is no "solving" a botting problem. You just have to go clean one day at a time.) 07:48:34 <|amethyst> hmm 07:49:50 <|amethyst> in grunt_temple_overflow_magic_moments the sif book usually ends up having an attack spell, because there are more of those at L1 than anything else 07:50:19 <|amethyst> but the veh book already has magic dart, and the kiku book a 1/2 chance of pain, so it ends up being rather attack-heavy 07:51:14 <|amethyst> perhaps the sif book could randomly select one of the schools that isn't conj, necro, or an element 07:51:29 early sif worship is sort of about attack spells (or summons) since the piety mechanic encourages using spells as your only attack and not getting into melee 07:51:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: right, but you already have magic dart and maybe pain from the same vault! 07:51:49 that's true 07:54:33 I feel like the non-"attack" L1 spells aren't really very useful in early game on their own regardless, so probably your suggestion would be a nerf to the vault... which might be good 07:56:01 incidentally, I wasn't very happy with that vault the first time I got it, found one of the altars, immediately worshipped that god, and then discovered I had two more options... 07:56:24 <|amethyst> could remove the doors 07:56:30 I feel like most multi-altar vaults make the altars all visible at the same time 07:56:36 that might be good, yeah 07:59:17 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:53 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:21 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:08:20 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:13 !time 08:12:14 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 01:12:14 PM, UTC. 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(master - 68545d4 #2075 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56297832 08:55:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:57:02 <|amethyst> could not connect to the rabbitmq PPA 08:59:36 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:59:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:13:09 Pikaro (L8 OpAs) (D:4) 09:13:25 <|amethyst> !crashlog pikaro 09:13:25 14. Pikaro, XL8 OpAs, T:6325 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Pikaro/crash-Pikaro-20150329-141307.txt 09:14:03 <|amethyst> hm, segfault in tile_draw_map_cell -> item_needs_autopickup -> (lua stuff) -> is_range_weapon 09:14:32 <|amethyst> N: {Maces & Flails} {melee weapon}known useless_item melee weapon giant club 09:14:32 <|amethyst> T: false 09:14:48 <|amethyst> &rc pikaro 09:14:49 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/Pikaro.rc 09:16:29 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:16:41 <|amethyst> I guess it's that is_ranged 09:17:46 <|amethyst> if the item is null that's caught in is_ranged, so it must be junk, but I can't see the address in this dump 09:21:08 <|amethyst> since this is coming from tile_draw_map_cell it would be an item_info, but that still shouldn't be a segfault 09:21:40 <|amethyst> unless something was taking the mindex of an item_info 09:21:54 <|amethyst> all this stuff is still on the stack, so nothing should have been destructed yet 09:22:18 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:29 <|amethyst> s/mindex/item index/ 09:23:34 -!- tabstorm has left ##crawl-dev 09:23:47 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:10 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 09:25:11 Pikaro (L8 OpAs) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 176 / 15 (D:5) 09:26:30 <|amethyst> pikaro's finding all kinds of clua bugs today :) 09:27:33 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:17 I found one too! 09:29:07 <|amethyst> Bugs for everyone! 09:29:34 Pikaro (L8 OpAs) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 240 / 15 (D:5) 09:29:45 <|amethyst> !crashlog pikaro 09:29:46 16. Pikaro, XL8 OpAs, T:7297 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Pikaro/crash-Pikaro-20150329-142931.txt 09:29:46 don't bug out too much 09:31:21 fyi there is no solution to that reddit post at present but gw would love if there was 09:32:24 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-231-gd7335f2: Don't crash when calling clua it.slot for an object on the floor. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7335f2ebbda 09:32:46 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.1-8-g6843638: Don't crash when calling clua it.slot for an object on the floor. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68436386caa1 09:33:18 (very simple crash on demand) 09:33:40 (as opposed to the mysterious crashes that Pikaro is finding :P) 09:33:44 <|amethyst> aha 09:34:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34:46 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:46 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 09:43:46 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:18 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:40 -!- solgg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:47 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:49:51 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:48 !time 09:54:48 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 02:54:48 PM, UTC. 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I didn't notice anything looking weird, though, even with overrides 11:22:34 -!- giann_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:05 hm, someone reports getting a pan lord from rod of shadows 11:23:11 which seems like it shouldn't happen... 11:23:54 <|amethyst> in a zig I bet? 11:24:03 <|amethyst> it would happen if pan lords are on the random monster list 11:24:13 doesn't rod of shadows always draw from the D list? 11:24:18 <|amethyst> hm 11:24:27 <|amethyst> yeah, it should 11:24:35 I mean, I know there was a bug that caused it not to, but I thought that was fixed... 11:24:41 <|amethyst> that's right, and it's supposed to ignore overrides 11:24:46 <|amethyst> I was thinking shadow creatures 11:25:22 <|amethyst> hm 11:25:42 what do detected items look like in tiles? 11:25:43 <|amethyst> if it summons a monster with BAND_RANDOM_SINGLE 11:25:53 <|amethyst> then that one will be picked from the current level 11:26:09 oop 11:26:12 <|amethyst> that one's band member 11:26:38 <|amethyst> (also, the band member can be an OOD) 11:26:51 <|amethyst> (based on how long you've been on the level etc etc) 11:26:52 oh, i found unseen_item.png, nevermind 11:27:00 mauris: glad I could help! 11:27:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:36 <|amethyst> it should be possible to stick the placement information in the band member in case it is a random selection? 11:28:38 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:39 The build has errored. (stone_soup-0.16 - 651b585 #2078 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56308850 11:28:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:30:01 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 11:33:25 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:34:19 <|amethyst> oh right 11:34:31 ? 11:34:31 <|amethyst> I did fix the OOD thing there 11:34:36 <|amethyst> so I can do the same 11:34:43 whoa, travis's UI changed 11:35:11 also, that build error is weird - failed to fetch a bunch of debian packages...? 11:36:03 <|amethyst> one of the repos we pull from to get gcc 4.8 or dependencies or whatever isn't there 11:36:27 <|amethyst> or, rather, is there, but only intermittently at the moment 11:36:33 <|amethyst> since half the builds work 11:36:47 yeah, that's been happening ever since we set travis up 11:37:04 <|amethyst> well, this is much worse than usual 11:37:11 <|amethyst> it's like half the individual builds 11:37:44 <|amethyst> usually it's closer to half of the build sets, so 1/20 builds 11:37:46 <|amethyst> ish 11:38:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:41:36 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-234-g0982940: try to make this a bit less flaky 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0982940cc464 11:42:12 <|amethyst> ha 11:42:42 <|amethyst> it looks like some of our builds were triggering the travis no-output timeout, so it might not help much :( 11:42:57 time to switch to basil 11:43:56 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:35 or whatever that google thing is 11:47:05 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-235-g88e27f2: Select BAND_RANDOM_SINGLE members from random leaders' levels. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88e27f2ceebf 11:47:39 !send |amethyst more parameters 11:47:40 Sending more parameters to |amethyst. 11:50:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:27 <|amethyst> aww, C++ lets you override operator void(), but it doesn't actually use it when you convert to void implicitly or explicitly 11:51:16 here's how that thing is going http://i.imgur.com/1ssgTuz.png 11:51:17 <|amethyst> no using that to make a functoid behave differently when used as an expression vs a statement 11:51:26 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-236-geb95b8e: move this into a script 10(45 seconds ago, 2 files, 20+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb95b8e4d033 11:52:04 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:13 mauris: cool! 11:52:27 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:29 those vintage trees... 11:52:48 yes, i'm not sure which of the tiles in the little tileset i've made are actually... in use 11:52:50 <|amethyst> doy: can you try to make your commit messages a little more specific? :) 11:53:24 i'll see what i can do 11:53:26 no promises though 11:53:28 (: 11:54:14 <|amethyst> doy * 0.17-a0-237-g0000000: move this code into a script (in the future) 11:55:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:00 The build has errored. (master - 2e14b11 #2079 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56308871 11:56:00 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:03:01 PleasingFungus: re: vintage trees: i don't know which of those tiles are in use at all, yeah 12:03:20 you said that ten minutes ago. it's nbd 12:03:25 just funny imo 12:03:26 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:04:00 wow oops! but i was wondering if there's others that are inaccurate 12:04:13 in particular idk how crystal wall (b) is displayed, there were like a billion tiles 12:04:22 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16.1-11-g651b585 12:06:38 <|amethyst> !commit 12:06:44 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit 12:06:44 No command !commit 12:06:52 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit .echo 03${1:-$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g${2:-deadbeef}: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${2:-deadbeef} 12:06:52 Defined command: !commit => .echo 03${1:-$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g${2:-deadbeef}: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${2:-deadbeef} 12:07:06 <|amethyst> !commit 12:07:06 03|amethyst * 0.17-a0-999-gdeadbeef: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=deadbeef 12:07:33 !commit 12:07:33 03gammafunk * 0.17-a0-999-gdeadbeef: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=deadbeef 12:07:42 I'm afraid of commitment... 12:07:45 <|amethyst> !commit dpeg 00dg0d add gods 12:07:45 03dpeg * 0.17-a0-999-g00dg0d: add gods 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00dg0d 12:07:54 nice... 12:07:58 ...what has |amethyst done... 12:08:00 <|amethyst> check the link if you haven't 12:08:31 you have chosen to open: png . which is: document (348 kb) 12:08:35 <|amethyst> aww 12:08:39 <|amethyst> I guess I'll rename it 12:08:44 <|amethyst> it worked for me with chromium 12:08:58 it'd probably work if you set a mime type 12:09:05 would you be offended if I laughed at you for using chromium 12:10:17 would you be offended if I laughed at you for using OS X 12:10:26 it seems implausible 12:10:50 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit .echo 03${1:-$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g${2:-deadbeef}: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${2:-deadbeef} 12:10:51 Redefined command: !commit => .echo 03${1:-$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g${2:-deadbeef}: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${2:-deadbeef} 12:11:18 !commit PleasingFungus Remove Pan 12:11:18 03PleasingFungus * 0.17-a0-999-gRemove: Pan 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=Remove 12:11:21 hm 12:11:25 off by one 12:11:42 <|amethyst> yeah, needs more work to make the optional parameters usefully optional 12:11:57 should just generate a random hash 12:12:44 I would suggest message - name - commit hash, except you probably want messages to be allowed to have spaces 12:13:03 <|amethyst> yeah 12:13:22 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 12:14:56 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:02 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:20 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:23:01 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash} 12:23:02 Redefined command: !commit => .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash} 12:23:05 <|amethyst> !commit 12:23:06 $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03|amethyst * 0.17-a0-999-g#fn:hash: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=#fn:hash 12:23:10 <|amethyst> blah 12:23:24 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}) 12:23:24 Redefined command: !commit => .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${$nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}) 12:23:29 <|amethyst> !commit blah 12:23:29 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ede43d 12:23:32 <|amethyst> !commit 12:23:32 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=deb270f 12:24:11 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}") 12:24:11 Redefined command: !commit => .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${nick} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}") 12:24:15 <|amethyst> !commit blah 12:24:15 03|amethyst * 0.17-a0-999-gc92b1ea: blah 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c92b1ea 12:24:20 <|amethyst> !commit 12:24:20 03|amethyst * 0.17-a0-999-g49a4606: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49a4606 12:24:35 <|amethyst> !cmd !commitby .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${1} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}") 12:24:35 Defined command: !commitby => .echo $(let (hash (randhex 7)) "03${1} * 0.17-a0-999-g$hash: ${*:-do stuff} 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=${hash}") 12:24:43 <|amethyst> !commitby pleasingfungus 12:24:43 03pleasingfungus * 0.17-a0-999-gb89566c: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b89566c 12:25:00 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit !commitby ${nick} 12:25:00 Redefined command: !commit => !commitby ${nick} 12:25:05 <|amethyst> !cmd !commit !commitby ${nick} ${*} 12:25:05 Redefined command: !commit => !commitby ${nick} ${*} 12:25:11 <|amethyst> !commit do stuff 12:25:11 03|amethyst * 0.17-a0-999-gedede83: do stuff 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=edede83 12:25:17 <|amethyst> there we go 12:25:32 -!- CacoS has quit [Client Quit] 12:26:44 should randomize the files/lines changed too 12:26:47 !commit Remove extended 12:26:47 03PleasingFungus * 0.17-a0-999-ga27ed45: Remove extended 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a27ed45 12:26:57 and, crucially, send it to ##crawl too... 12:29:26 <|amethyst> patches welcome! 12:29:26 unfortunately, i can't do anything about github flakiness): https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/jobs/56313092 12:29:46 -!- Philonous has quit [Quit: (<<<)] 12:30:14 I have missed the part where sequell commands became lisp and I am still trying to pretend that never happened, because it's uncomfortably close to AI 12:30:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-236-geb95b8e (34) 12:30:54 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 12:31:49 what is best in life? 12:35:42 <|amethyst> who was it who pointed me at the lisp where everything was a special form, subsuming functions and macros? 12:36:11 <|amethyst> or, I guess more importantly, what was the lisp in question? 12:36:18 kernel? 12:36:19 <|amethyst> "important" 12:36:33 <|amethyst> yes, that was it 12:37:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37:38 fr: OS kernel written in lisp 12:38:42 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine though a lot of the kernel was assembler I'm sure 12:39:18 <|amethyst> though arguably that's no more of an OS than emacs running in DOS 12:42:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:46 The build has errored. (master - 0982940 #2081 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56313076 12:42:46 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:45:11 travis is githobbled 12:46:45 we still need to make the switch to github, but I guess we need to get a final round of comments about that...and I guess it shouldn't happen until after t 12:47:14 ugh 12:47:32 find . -type f -name '*.txt' -exec sed -i '' "s/Orc:1-3/Orc, !Orc:$/" {} + 12:47:41 this doesn't work because the dollar sign gets eaten by bash and trashes the entire line 12:47:54 I think I hate bash. for this, but also other reasons. 12:47:56 just use single quotes? 12:48:01 ^ 12:48:13 could've sworn I tried that... 12:48:15 ty 12:48:17 rip my streak 12:48:22 yes, double-quotes do interpolation 12:48:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:34 !streak . 12:48:38 Bloax has 6 consecutive wins (MiWn, OgAs, MfGl, VSTm, GrFi, TrMo). 12:48:40 also, \$ is how you escape $ in double quotes 12:48:48 I did in fact try that 12:49:10 well interpolating quotes definitely won't work 12:49:22 yeah no the single quote thing worked, but double quotes and \$ did not 12:49:28 <|amethyst> because of ! 12:49:30 <|amethyst> ! sucks 12:49:43 <|amethyst> rather, the fact that history expansion happens inside quotes sucks 12:49:48 yes 12:49:51 <|amethyst> and you can't just backslash the ! to protect it 12:50:03 <|amethyst> because *that* gives you \! 12:50:14 oh, right 12:50:19 i forgot that happened inside quotes 12:50:21 that's dumb 12:50:39 hmmm 12:50:44 wasn't aware of the ! issue 12:50:44 actually, \! works in zsh 12:50:49 <|amethyst> yeah 12:50:55 but when in doubt with a shell and interpolation PleasingFungus, just use '' 12:50:58 <|amethyst> someone filed a bug about it in bash 12:51:01 no, it works in bash too 12:51:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-237-gc0e38d8: Generalize some orc vault depths 10(72 seconds ago, 4 files, 12+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0e38d8f95ca 12:51:48 http://paste.tozt.net/2015-03-29YiUybGHH 12:51:53 But orcs hate generalities! 12:52:15 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:19 !lg * won min=dur 12:52:24 28351. tstbtto the Conqueror (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-01 00:05:21, with 1839953 points after 60099 turns and 0:20:31. 12:52:25 er 12:52:29 !lg * won !@bot min=dur 12:52:33 28312. RushXXI the Talismancer (L26 DDGl of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-28 14:27:53, with 1823970 points after 58585 turns and 0:22:03. 12:52:47 9581 | Lair:3 | 9581 ||| EATING 10 fruits. 12:52:53 :v 12:53:11 <|amethyst> ah 12:53:23 <|amethyst> I guess sed doesn't mind the backslash in the fhs 12:53:26 <|amethyst> rhs 12:53:36 ah, okay 12:53:46 !lg * won !@bot min=dur -log 12:53:48 <|amethyst> change the sed to echo and you will see it's still there 12:53:50 28312. RushXXI, XL26 DDGl, T:58585: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/RushXXI/morgue-RushXXI-20150328-142753.txt 12:54:07 &rc rushxxi 12:54:09 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/RushXXI.rc 12:54:10 * geekosaur just shuts off history interpolation 12:54:19 <|amethyst> (assuming you don't have xpg_echo set) 12:54:21 !nick bot 12:54:21 Mapping bot => autorobin xw auto7hm rw qw ow qwrobin gw notqw jw parabodrick hyperqwbe cashybrid tstbtto parabolic oppbolic ew 12:54:26 !nick bot rushxxi 12:54:27 Mapping bot => autorobin xw auto7hm rw qw ow qwrobin gw notqw jw parabodrick hyperqwbe cashybrid tstbtto parabolic oppbolic ew rushxxi 12:54:34 !lg * won !@bot min=dur 12:54:39 28311. simm the Axe Maniac (L25 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-13 22:16:44, with 2056825 points after 45946 turns and 0:54:50. 12:54:58 1nick winscummers simm 12:55:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-238-g6dcaf12: Also generalize some Lair vault depths 10(39 seconds ago, 4 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dcaf12492ca 12:55:15 !lg * won !@bot !meleebug min=dur 12:55:21 26774. ophanim the Conqueror (L24 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-10 17:17:43, with 2024795 points after 43516 turns and 1:08:12. 12:55:35 wow, that's stood for a surprisingly long time 12:55:37 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:49 !lg . MiWn 12:55:50 8. BLOAX the Impregnable (L23 MiWn of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-29 03:01:37, with 2226588 points after 37642 turns and 1:12:49. 12:55:56 it's getting there 12:57:39 realtime doesn't seem terribly fun to me, but I'd try for <2h some time 13:00:12 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-239-gaa93fb6: Use appropriate colour values in monster generation data (|amethyst) 10(30 minutes ago, 4 files, 22+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa93fb667fa2 13:00:53 realtime is for the times you're really tired of turncount speedruns making you the bottom in bed 13:01:12 !gamesby . t 13:01:12 Bloax (t) has played 175 games, between 2015-03-13 20:00:13 and 2015-03-29 17:41:38, won 17 (9.7%), high score 28255753, total score 111357692, total turns 1526926, play-time/day 4:47:33, total time 3d+9:28:24. 13:01:48 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-240-gec9be95: Fix autopickup of scrolls/potions matching those in inventory 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec9be958b5b1 13:03:27 !time 13:03:27 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 06:03:27 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 hour, 56 minutes and 32 seconds. 13:03:31 mm 13:03:59 i think probably that autopickup thing wasn't intended to be committed at all in the first place since it wasn't marked as lua and also didn't work 13:04:06 oops 13:04:11 but it works now! 13:08:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:38 in trunk rcfile Lua, for some branded missiles, item.ego() returns nil for me even when item.branded is true. (happened for arrows of dispersal and needles of confusion so far.) is that supposed to happen? under which circumstances? 13:11:44 gammafunk's commit reminds me that someone should reorder the fields in mgen_data to match the ctor 13:11:50 it's very confusing as it is 13:14:12 pikaro: that doesn't sound like it's supposed to happen but i don't have any clue about lua 13:14:23 that sounds like a bug with the clua yes 13:14:37 I can take a look 13:14:55 alright, thanks! then I'll try to narrow it down some and make a bug report. 13:15:26 elliptic, unfortunately I already splatted the char in progress, I'll se if I can reproduce the problem quickly 13:16:36 hm, looks to me like it has to be an issue with item_ident(*item, ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE) not returning true 13:16:57 and I am really bad with item_ident code 13:17:09 could test that by checking if it.ego_type returns "unknown" for it 13:18:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:21:57 hm, I can't reproduce it by creating branded ammo in wizmode unfortunately 13:22:16 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22:19 well, not with &o, maybe can try &% 13:22:24 but &% syntax is annoying :( 13:22:46 okay that worked 13:23:08 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:29 and yeah, ego_type returns unknown (as expected) 13:24:03 so I guess ammo just never has ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE set for it despite the player always knowing this 13:24:22 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:23 The build has errored. (master - 88e27f2 #2082 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56313578 13:24:23 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:24:24 does anyone know where to set this? 13:25:01 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:06 is there no ISFLAG_NO_EGO or something? 13:26:06 hm, guess not 13:26:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:41 ISFLAG_RANDART = 0x00001000, // special value is seed 13:26:46 KNOW_TYPE is supposed to check for brand ("special") 13:26:51 haha didn't expect there to be any vestiges of that system 13:26:55 wheals: ctor? 13:27:02 ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE = 0x00000002, // artefact name, sub/special types 13:27:05 constructor 13:27:20 wow, is that some street C++ slang wheals 13:27:37 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:38 The build has errored. (master - eb95b8e #2083 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56313912 13:27:38 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:27:47 hm maybe they are in the same order? 13:28:36 hm 13:28:36 wheals: you mean the order of the field definitions should match the constructor? 13:28:47 yeah, but it looks like they do 13:28:55 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:28:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:29:20 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-241-g42a8823: posix style function definition 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42a8823a5a84 13:29:23 in general it has like a billion arguments 13:29:23 oh, not quite 13:29:32 see for example base_type 13:30:27 heh 13:30:29 monster_type is = RANDOM_MONSTER) 13:30:32 also note how the : part has a different order yet 13:30:39 turns out that means initial_shifter(is) 13:31:21 oh, w00t. capn proto now has MSVC support 13:31:51 hm 13:32:07 (apart from proto reflection and the RPC api) 13:32:21 wasn't it decided that proto buffer wasn't the best option for crawl saves 13:32:35 msvc support isn't really the issue, more just windows support, anyhow 13:32:39 maybe item_ident should always return true if the flag isn't in _full_ident_mask(item) 13:32:57 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-242-gdd8b329: this script needs to die when commands fail 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd8b3295e04a 13:33:01 gammafunk: my recollection is that msvc support was the blocker 13:33:27 given that nobody has used msvc for a year and a half 13:33:32 well I recall |amethyst expressing concerns that a format where fields can never be removed might be a problem...but I don't know the issues 13:33:55 what size is a current 15-runer save at the end? 13:34:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:35:14 !lm * cbro rune=demonic 13:35:15 213. [2015-03-29 02:12:37] ythm the Conqueror (L27 HOFE of The Shining One) found a demonic rune of Zot on turn 101788. (Pan) 13:35:25 !lm ythm alive rune 13:35:26 7. [2015-03-29 18:20:36] ythm the Executioner (L22 HOFE of Beogh) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 59015. (Vaults:5) 13:35:40 fr obsidian mesmerization also gives you a song of slaying effect 13:35:41 !lm * cbro alive urune=15 13:35:43 1. [2015-02-26 09:31:11] MonstrousorDeath the Invulnerable (L27 DsEE of Cheibriados) found a magical rune of Zot on turn 125594. (Pan) 13:35:54 -rw-r--r-- 1 crawl crawl 1710957 Mar 29 14:35 ythm.cs 13:35:57 there's a 7 rune save 13:36:39 !lm * cbro alive urune=15 x=cv 13:36:40 1. [2015-02-26 09:31:11] [cv=0.16-a] MonstrousorDeath the Invulnerable (L27 DsEE of Cheibriados) found a magical rune of Zot on turn 125594. (Pan) 13:37:35 -rw-r--r-- 1 crawl crawl 2669614 Feb 26 04:39 MonstrousorDeath.cs 13:37:47 there you go 13:37:49 hm 13:38:09 so even if it gets 10 times bigger, that's still "only" (?) ~27 MB 13:38:21 !lm * alive s=gid turns>0 13:38:26 don't know how that compares to ttyrec size 13:38:47 I don't know if those concerns were about file size per se 13:38:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:21 Time limit of 60s exceeded 13:39:22 rip Sequell 13:39:35 !lm * alive s=gid turns>0 src=cszo 13:39:55 26696 milestones for * (alive turns>0 src=cszo): 703x Hurricos:cszo:20150127225705S, 400x Chmeee:cszo:20150114174521S, 357x jspanek3:cszo:20140603213715S, 158x IjonTichy1:cszo:20140912182442S, 154x Mint:cszo:20140430090537S, 151x tapatio:cszo:20141126195312S, 148x guzonghuiren:cszo:20140315105124S, 138x happychan:cszo:20140707083014S, 136x Zig:cszo:20141001013938S, 135x ihatethisgame:cszo:20150220... 13:39:58 oh 13:40:06 !lm * alive x=cdist(gid) turns>0 src=cszo 13:40:19 26670 milestones for * (alive turns>0 src=cszo): cdist(game_key)=1472 13:40:33 ~1500 active saves on cszo 13:40:52 whoa 13:41:09 ofc this is tournament 13:41:32 and that's not counting games that are saved at t0 13:41:36 which I probably shouldn't ommit 13:41:42 !lm * alive x=cdist(gid) src=cszo 13:41:45 I think there are some games which are saved and untracked, too 13:41:53 30947 milestones for * (alive src=cszo): cdist(game_key)=4301 13:41:53 that's at most 2.4 gb of saves 13:42:00 yikes 13:42:03 4301 saves 13:42:04 stuff that's not technically 'recent' 13:42:09 I missed the discussion, is there a chance that save files will get 10x bigger? 13:42:38 no. 13:42:55 !lm * alive turns>0 s=src 13:43:10 If you get deprecated proto fields the only overhead is increasing the tag ids of later fields 13:43:14 johnstein: you're counting all milestones there, not single games 13:43:16 you aren't obligated to store data in the unused fields 13:43:19 yea I just realized that 13:43:28 90427 milestones for * (alive turns>0): 34953x cao, 26695x cszo, 7615x clan, 7156x cbro, 3723x ckr, 3166x lld, 3066x cxc, 1912x cwz, 1438x cdo, 711x cpo 13:43:35 !lm * alive turns>0 s=gid,src 13:43:35 poor australia 13:43:36 I mean games which were parked in an old version (alive has recent as part of the kw) 13:43:52 johnstein: thanks's not going to give you what you want either :) 13:44:02 aw 13:44:07 90438 milestones for * (alive turns>0): 703x Hurricos:cszo:20150127225705S (703x cszo), 471x Galomier:cao:20140702140758S (471x cao), 443x onget:lld:20140622103037S (443x lld), 405x Velsharoon:cao:20140803221625S (405x cao), 400x Chmeee:cszo:20150114174521S (400x cszo), 357x jspanek3:cszo:20140603213715S (357x cszo), 307x Av:cao:20150216143510S (307x cao), 274x alpinistek:cao:20141128102438S (274x... 13:44:12 !lm * alive x=cdist(gid) s=src 13:44:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:44:37 This house believes that we should use a save format rather than using 'whatever the serializer emits' as our save format 13:44:38 that's it, if it doesn't timeout 13:44:39 107812 milestones for * (alive): 43217x cao [8301], 30962x cszo [4300], 8803x clan [1197], 8212x cbro [1056], 4813x ckr [1095], 3594x lld [429], 3397x cxc [328], 2243x cwz [331], 1726x cdo [291], 845x cpo [134] 13:44:54 dang cao 13:45:01 pls nerf 13:45:25 it *would* give us an excuse to finally break save compat... 13:46:00 doy: but we wouldn't break save compatibility 13:46:01 bh: this house just doesnt' want to make server admin nor save compat a problem for the sake of using "something different" 13:46:25 we do have another one, when we hit minor 255 we either have to break save compat or the forward compat of the save browser 13:46:39 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-243-gbdbf34f: Refactor wand acq code 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 76+ 62-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdbf34f4d04d 13:46:56 couldn't spell out acquirement?!?! 13:46:58 gammafunk: the worry you concerned about bloating saves doesn't have a factual basis. 13:47:12 gammafunk: I was already line positive on that commit as it was! 13:47:12 bh: when did I state that this was my worry 13:47:14 comments... 13:47:28 earlier when you talked about bloating saves 10x 13:47:30 my concern was just "not being able to remove fields" might lead to technical issues 13:47:39 bh: I didn't talk about that, wheals did 13:47:40 oh, i assumed it had to do with space 13:47:44 it was me 13:47:47 haha 13:48:03 or rather, my misunderstanding of gammafunk's quote of |amethyst's worry 13:48:05 gammafunk: Suppose you have a version n save right now and want to turn it into a version (n+1) save 13:48:18 for version (n+1), we've removed a field. How do you upgrade the save? 13:48:46 well that's easy, just ignore the field during read 13:48:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:03 process the value if need be, set whatever needs setting 13:49:11 but ignore the read value from the save 13:49:16 I opine that this is just an extremely fragile way of having a deprecated field sitting around 13:49:46 I mean, that's generally one of the easier save compat problems to solve 13:50:17 <|amethyst> the thing is, the problems we've had from saves have mostly been because of bad changes to the enum order 13:50:31 <|amethyst> and one of the requirements of protobufs is that you don't change enum order 13:50:37 <|amethyst> just like our requirement right now 13:50:46 <|amethyst> so if someone violates that, they break protobufs too 13:51:10 can we add some kind of enum order test? 13:51:18 <|amethyst> I was thinking about that 13:51:24 yeah we've talked about it in the past 13:51:39 <|amethyst> if you did that you could even auto-generate the upgrade code when order does change 13:52:00 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:52:06 this sounds like a good idea 13:52:09 elliptic, I've been trying to reproduce the bug and didn't read your above comments in time, seems you already found the reason - should I still make a bug report? 13:52:12 <|amethyst> IMO that would be a better use of time than porting to protobuffs 13:52:20 |amethyst: would protobuffs buy us anything, assuming they're equal in terms dealing with the enum issue...oh 13:52:47 <|amethyst> I think they could buy us a little bit, but they require a massive rewrite 13:52:49 pikaro: I can report it if I don't figure out a good way to fix it right now 13:53:02 alright, thanks! 13:53:07 <|amethyst> of code that no one currently active on the dev team fully understands 13:53:14 not that a massive rewrite isn't usually a nice thing, in crawl's code :) 13:53:18 once we have a structured save file, it opens the path to rewriting crawl ;) 13:53:22 just a dangerous one 13:53:33 bh: oh, you're rewriting crawl? 13:53:41 in haskell 13:53:48 <|amethyst> well, this would be mostly a rewrite of kilobyte code I think, and that's usually better than Linley code :) 13:54:01 <|amethyst> though anachronistically obsessed with memory efficiency 13:54:07 n1k: writing a roguelike in haskell is not something I can recommend 13:54:13 it does have its idiosyncrasies, yes :P 13:54:20 programming roguelike when bh 13:54:24 <|amethyst> !learn add kilobyte <|amethyst> anachronistically obsessed with memory efficiency 13:54:25 kilobyte[3/3]: <|amethyst> anachronistically obsessed with memory efficiency 13:54:32 bh: warning noted :) 13:54:38 bh: but it would have prevented the double damage bug! 13:54:51 !time 13:54:52 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 06:54:52 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 hour, 5 minutes and 7 seconds. 13:55:00 wheals: you would have encoded a proof of melee damage into the type system? 13:55:02 !seen chequers 13:55:02 I last saw chequers at Sun Mar 29 12:01:33 2015 UTC (6h 53m 29s ago) saying '!tell zxc232 scoring will be fixed after tourney' on ##crawl-dev. 13:55:35 fr: A !seen that reports a !tell giving a !seen 13:56:34 -!- dfalkafjl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:58:10 -!- qoala_ is now known as qoala 13:58:38 imo learn del kilobyte[$ 13:58:46 ??kilobyte[3 13:58:46 kilobyte[3/3]: <|amethyst> anachronistically obsessed with memory efficiency 13:58:58 !readall kilobyte 13:58:58 death to useless lines! / Plays tile Crawl running on his phone using X forwarding. / <|amethyst> anachronistically obsessed with memory efficiency 13:59:36 hm 13:59:41 as the tournament draws to a close 13:59:50 !time 13:59:51 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 06:59:50 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 hour and 9 seconds. 13:59:56 gogogo 14:00:08 how were people feeling about the wz -> re branch? 14:01:14 I seem to remember various criticisms 14:01:18 is anyone going to the International Roguelike Developers Conference in May? 14:01:26 ah 14:01:27 I'd prefer to discuss such things more rather than just shoving them in at the end of tourney 14:01:30 sure 14:01:38 I seemed to remember general positivity, with a few criticisms that I'd addressed 14:01:42 but I didn't want to rush anything 14:01:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:01:57 maybe you did, I don't know what changes you made since the initial branch 14:02:20 what is it though 14:02:21 one of the criticisms I remember though was "reaver isn't a very good name either" 14:02:30 -!- Frenoss has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:38 o 14:02:40 idk 14:02:42 I like it 14:02:55 bh: i don't know of anyone on the devteam who's planning to go (yet) 14:03:28 (looks like the changes after initial branch were (1) remove tukima's from minor magic (2) move re back to the 'mage' class column) 14:05:15 they don't start with a dagger? 14:05:29 I believe |amethyst was one of the people observing that "reaver" isn't really a thing meaning this role outside of crawl history? 14:05:45 and I agree personally, though I also agree that "wizard" doesn't fit either 14:05:52 gammafunk: " They're not much more of a hybrid class than many of the other "Mage" starts, and it's odd to start a warrior-mage without a weapon; we could give them a dagger, but there are probably enough short-blade starts already." 14:06:08 elliptic: yes, of course. 14:06:34 wheals: I might go. I was thinking of offering to talk about scumming 14:07:07 r??battlemage 14:07:07 battlemage[4/7]: TRANSMUTILATOR 14:07:16 i guess they don't have any tmut 14:07:17 winscumming or losescumming or runescumming or orbscumming or turnscumming or foodscumming or itemscumming or mercscumming or ... 14:07:18 r??battlemage 14:07:18 battlemage[1/7]: BATTLEMAGE 14:07:21 ok 14:07:24 PleasingFungus: ^^ 14:07:28 gammafunk: thankscumming 14:07:32 yess 14:07:33 what about 14:07:37 anyway given that the change is mainly about the rename I'd like to have a little more discussion/agreement about the name before changing it 14:07:39 winscumming 14:07:41 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:41 winscumming 14:07:44 ok 14:08:00 i've been practicing my winscumming skills these past couple of days 14:08:02 gammafunk: countdown till we have a 'reform scumming' thread on the tavern 14:08:13 reformscumming 14:08:32 refactorscumming protobuffscumming sourcescumming gitscumming 14:08:33 The winscumming evaporates and reforms as a losescumming! 14:08:53 i think you mean 14:09:03 The winscumming evaporates and reforms as a streamscumming! 14:09:03 I think it's ok to have a name that doesn't convey that much meaning outside crawl's context - better to have something that's closer to a tabula rasa, a blank slate that the description & actual class loadout can fill in, than something that has existing meaning outside of crawl's context that's misleading/wrong 14:09:17 i also think reaver is not a better name than wizard 14:09:18 that being said, arguably reaver just makes it sound like you're playing a viking 14:09:38 reaver does sound very "WoW toon sword and board dps" 14:09:54 the toon cost... 14:10:00 what does reaver actually mean 14:10:10 clearly rename them Ravager and start them with a +2 war axe 14:10:14 what could possibly go wrong 14:14:18 ??0.17 14:14:18 I don't have a page labeled 0.17 in my learndb. 14:14:21 ??0.16 14:14:21 I don't have a page labeled 0.16 in my learndb. 14:14:26 ??0.16_plan 14:14:26 0.16 plan[1/2]: 0.16 release will happen at least a few days before the {tournament}. See remaining release steps at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans&#release_planning 14:14:47 I'm going to get a 0.17 document started right away, so people can make jokes about how they're not using it 14:14:55 godspeed 14:15:01 please try to come up with new jokes of this kind, though 14:15:06 !learn e 0.16 plan s/will happen/happened/ 14:15:07 Use: !learn edit 0.16 plan[NUM] s/// 14:15:08 tired of the same old ones 14:15:18 _ 14:15:22 !learn e 0.16_plan[1 s/will happen/happened 14:15:22 0.16 plan[1/2]: 0.16 release happened at least a few days before the {tournament}. See remaining release steps at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans&#release_planning 14:15:29 haha 14:15:31 !learn e 0.16_plan[1 s/days/minutes/ 14:15:31 0.16 plan[1/2]: 0.16 release happened at least a few minutes before the {tournament}. See remaining release steps at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans&#release_planning 14:15:43 I like that we don't know exactly when it happened 14:15:45 gammafunk: what should gnome have for its cooking aptitude 14:15:49 iirc it was about an hour 14:16:00 minmay: well, what cooking ingredients are avail 14:16:04 gnomes 14:16:14 can they cook with gems? 14:16:17 what have we got planned for 0.17? 14:16:24 gammafunk: moss of mareilon, stomafillia, spenseweed 14:16:44 man that sounds tasty, and gnomes are incredible, so I say go for +N! 14:17:31 it should have an aptitude of 152 14:17:32 minmay: by the way, that silly fight.cc header was because the original crawl license was copy-pasted from the nethack one 14:17:55 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:18:10 and it requires "prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change" 14:18:35 git is pretty prominent 14:20:42 wheals: I was more joking about how I was reading fight.cc 14:20:57 oh 14:20:59 is that still there 14:21:03 (an old version of it) 14:21:18 ok good 14:21:19 no, I was reading 0.5 fight.cc because I forgot how shields worked then 14:21:32 you meant you knew once 14:21:39 yes, actually 14:21:47 %git f5a9605d5af0bcf8e6ca15bb2384b1812344015a 14:21:47 07minmay02 {wheals} * 0.14-a0-3500-gf5a9605: Remove damage traps, ~, ^ from vaults (except Zot:5). 10(1 year ago, 10 files, 137+ 147-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5a9605d5af0 14:21:57 minmay actually made a patch once 14:22:07 good number 14:23:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:23:48 good patch 14:24:01 minmay: how do shields work 14:24:50 PleasingFungus: in 0.5, in addition to your displayed SH you get a "shield bonus" based on you strength, dexterity, and the shield type (if it's a divine or condensation shield, intelligence is used instead) 14:25:09 nice 14:25:57 PleasingFungus: but it didn't matter because everyone used a battleaxe instead 14:26:27 don't they still affect SH 14:26:30 even if the bonus is negligible 14:26:36 not int 14:26:37 they affect displayed sh 14:26:42 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:26:43 also that 14:26:55 int affects condensation shield!!! 14:28:44 !lm . br.end=zot won !op !felid !tm !sif x=ac,ev min=$(ac+ev) 14:28:44 52. [2015-03-16 15:50:54] [ac=23;ev=20] perunasaurus the Protected (L20 MuSu of Gozag) reached level 5 of the Realm of Zot on turn 60274. (Zot:5) 14:28:45 doy: were you the one who felt that ?ew was problematic in that it was too easy to get to +9? 14:28:54 thanks meleebug 14:29:13 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-244-g4181045: Fix ego clua for branded missiles (pikaro). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41810457c530 14:29:24 pikaro: ^ 14:29:33 I thin kthat was me 14:29:38 elliptic, awesome, thanks! 14:30:14 i think several people agreed 14:30:18 that wasn't me, i don't have any particularly strong opinions about ?ew 14:30:18 including me, maybe 14:30:25 ok, I'll leave it on then 14:30:28 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:30:35 (you people are all wrong but I'm generous) 14:32:04 Gehenarous? 14:34:21 Zot trap creates friendly malign gateway 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9592 by Zooty 14:34:37 good 14:34:54 it does turn hostile in the end! 14:34:59 oh, spoilers 14:35:26 gammafunk: leave what on? 14:35:45 it's an item on the planning doc that (sadly) didn't make 0.16 14:36:00 o 14:36:05 I remember that 14:37:26 !time 14:37:27 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 07:37:27 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 22 minutes and 32 seconds. 14:37:33 looks like no silver rune this t 14:38:02 shame I started the first 0.16 hesu pre-tournament, it got all the way to pan 14:38:12 meleebug, but that doesn't really matter for me 14:38:20 !lg * 0.16 hesu min=rstart 14:38:25 117. gammafunk the Convoker (L16 HESu of Sif Muna), shot by Vashnia (arrow) on Snake:5 (snake_pit_salamanders_mu) on 2015-03-13 01:10:07, with 160895 points after 18096 turns and 3:17:35. 14:38:32 lies 14:38:45 oh 14:38:48 0.16-a? 14:38:50 I guess probably it was 0.16.0-b1 yes 14:38:50 well it got silver rune! 14:39:01 which is basically the same as getting to pan 14:39:02 !lg * 0.16.0-b1 hesu min=rstart 14:39:03 4. Voxel the Caller (L3 HESu), slain by a giant frog skeleton on D:3 on 2015-03-11 01:18:42, with 67 points after 2869 turns and 0:06:55. 14:39:07 wow not even you 14:39:27 the Vashnia thing was a bizarre and strange abomination, typical grunt 14:39:38 !hs * hesu t 14:39:39 116. gammafunk the Convoker (L13 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by a fire dragon (blast of flame) (kmap: st_spiral_rooms) on Vaults:1 on 2015-03-27 13:31:08, with 47196 points after 11601 turns and 1:44:48. 14:39:41 phew 14:40:02 gammafunk: It is strangely repulsive? 14:40:05 dumb death on my part, but not used to no rF by V 14:40:20 wheals: it's something horrible alright! 14:40:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:36 The build has errored. (master - 4181045 #2087 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56324925 14:40:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:40:38 ah, it's "strange and repulsive" 14:40:39 Does anyone feel that Q wrath needs further adjustment now that the temporary lava is gone? 14:40:58 apparently nagas think all nagas are sexy 14:41:05 that was the only specific Q wrath thing mentioned 14:41:06 yes 14:41:18 gammafunk: the elementals actually look pretty dangerous 14:41:37 im not sure what the lava was like, though i heard it helped more than harmed 14:41:50 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-245-g24c877d: Pull out _adjust_brand from acq 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 64+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24c877dacd9b 14:41:55 elliptic: speaking of things that are potentially impactful, opinion on pushing unique_xp? 14:41:57 simmarine: that's yes, you think it needs further adjustment? 14:42:17 probably not? if they are hard hitting and fast its probably good enough? 14:42:18 again I remember reaction there being generally positive (with a few caveats that I addressed) but my memory is ever fallible 14:42:30 i know he temporarily lowers your resistances too 14:42:37 elementals would be trivial past a fairly low xl, I'd imagine 14:42:42 or are they special ones 14:42:47 they grow in hd 14:42:47 they have variable HD 14:42:49 I think 14:42:51 ah ok 14:42:54 MarvinPA almost died to them infact 14:43:06 and i saw a tv earlier of someone dying to them 14:43:22 hrm, that's sort of weird since you'd have literally no way of knowing that they're more dangerous 14:43:29 aside from spoilers 14:43:40 PleasingFungus: can't you also use tele wands to teleport allies to safety??? 14:43:40 PleasingFungus: sounds fine to me, I don't remember any major concerns and unique xp/locations can be tweaked more easily 14:43:44 well their names are yellow instead of probably dark/lightgrey at that point 14:43:47 (for formicids) 14:44:05 wheals: I didn't change any behaviour, just added comments :) 14:44:09 simmarine: yeah, I guess the hd influences that display, but that's pretty subtle 14:44:14 PleasingFungus: I didn't look at everything carefully myself but what I did see looked generally good 14:44:17 yes thats all you really have 14:44:22 simmarine: you're forgetting about the people playing in greyscalerobin.... 14:44:25 or w/e it's called 14:44:30 colourblindrobin 14:44:37 lanternofshadowsrobin 14:44:43 OPTIONS=nocolor 14:45:07 I suppose it'd be good to have something like "this monster is (much|incredibly)? more powerful than those of its kind" or something in xv 14:45:17 it does seem like a variant of the old weird vault-adjusted monster thing 14:45:22 gammafunk: but why would you think to look there? 14:45:24 could throw something in the wrath description 14:45:28 PleasingFungus: right, it's not idea 14:45:29 l 14:45:30 PleasingFungus: you also preserved "jewelry" 14:45:32 clearly just give them weird vault-style names. "lesser fire elemental" 14:45:33 there's no status 14:45:35 wheals: rip 14:45:44 "mega air elemental" 14:45:51 "almost entirely earth elemental" 14:45:54 maybe a special icon for "higher hd" 14:46:01 but that doesn't help console anyhow 14:46:01 -!- mauris_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:07 it's ok 14:46:08 anyways, I'll remove the Q item 14:46:10 console is deprecated 14:46:12 it's the first quarter moon, i turn into a typographical pedant this time of month 14:46:16 it is not depracated! 14:46:19 spooky... 14:46:34 gammafunk: :P 14:46:57 * wheals focuses his typographical pedantry on gammafunk 14:47:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-246-ge412df5: Obey the whim of the lycanpedanthrope (wheals) 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e412df5bdac3 14:47:18 * gammafunk enables French Spacing! wheals dies... 14:47:34 should have used french spacing in that 14:47:58 I'm pretty sure everything we have consistently uses 'french spacing' 14:48:07 PleasingFungus: you misspelled "jewellery 14:48:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:10 since we aren't mid-20th-century typewriter users 14:48:13 wheals: feh!~ 14:48:15 oh isn't french spacing double space? 14:48:15 fix it yourself imo 14:48:20 no that's english spacing 14:48:22 ah 14:48:23 gammafunk: yes 14:48:23 according to wiki 14:48:26 er 14:48:26 the font of all knowledge 14:48:27 also, it's single space 14:48:35 it depends on how you feel that day 14:48:40 !send space wheals 14:48:40 Sending wheals to space. 14:48:49 (to the moon base...?) 14:49:02 it's almost done 14:49:04 anyway, a lot of comments have double spacing 14:49:12 I decided: no statue vault define monsters 14:49:12 but no actual user text i know of 14:49:16 I'm goiing to be a good vault maker 14:49:26 gammafunk: singularity vault define monsters instead 14:49:28 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:49:53 wheals: maybe for decoration! and I have a cool trick in mind for other features, so I may not do singularity 14:51:42 gammafunk: a good vault should have 1000 OOD monsters and a bunch of pressure plates 14:52:25 sounds like a good hall_of_zot rework 14:53:22 [12:49] gammafunk I'm goiing to be a good vault maker <- 1learn add lies 14:53:48 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:54:08 also, "goiing" 14:54:15 new gong variant imho 14:54:15 SHROANNG! 14:54:24 ...I always forget it does that 14:55:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:08 The build has errored. (master - 24c877d #2088 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56326430 14:55:08 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:58:00 !time 14:58:00 <|amethyst> hm 14:58:01 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 07:58:00 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 minute and 59 seconds. 14:58:03 tick 14:58:04 tock 14:58:06 <|amethyst> I guess I should quit this char 14:58:18 <|amethyst> to D:3 it is 14:58:26 hrm 14:58:29 I 14:58:31 think 14:59:11 that acquirement is less likely to give you artefacts with negative stats if you wear -stat items 14:59:23 haha 14:59:33 !time 14:59:33 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 07:59:33 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 26 seconds. 14:59:37 tick 14:59:43 !time 14:59:44 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 07:59:43 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 16 seconds. 14:59:46 tock 14:59:48 I thought acquirement was never supposed to be affected by worn equipment...? 14:59:54 !time 14:59:54 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 07:59:54 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 5 seconds. 14:59:56 tick 14:59:59 !time 15:00:00 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 08:00:00 PM, UTC. 15:00:01 BONG 15:00:01 <|amethyst> !lg . t 15:00:02 90. neil the Firebug (L5 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by Sigmund (a +1 scythe of flaming) on D:4 on 2015-03-29 13:12:35, with 178 points after 2437 turns and 0:09:16. 15:00:05 <|amethyst> !lg . t 15:00:06 90. neil the Firebug (L5 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by Sigmund (a +1 scythe of flaming) on D:4 on 2015-03-29 13:12:35, with 178 points after 2437 turns and 0:09:16. 15:00:08 <|amethyst> !lg . 15:00:09 10549. neil the Firebug (L5 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by Sigmund (a +1 scythe of flaming) on D:4 on 2015-03-29 13:12:35, with 178 points after 2437 turns and 0:09:16. 15:00:11 <|amethyst> hm 15:00:14 <|amethyst> did it count? 15:00:16 <|amethyst> !lg . t 15:00:17 90. neil the Firebug (L5 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by Sigmund (a +1 scythe of flaming) on D:4 on 2015-03-29 13:12:35, with 178 points after 2437 turns and 0:09:16. 15:00:18 |amethyst: Sequell isn't fetching logs, rebuilding db now 15:00:18 <|amethyst> !lg . 15:00:19 10549. neil the Firebug (L5 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by Sigmund (a +1 scythe of flaming) on D:4 on 2015-03-29 13:12:35, with 178 points after 2437 turns and 0:09:16. 15:00:22 <|amethyst> ah 15:00:28 !lg * t 15:00:29 96597. Bigslacks the Warrior (L17 OgSk of Ashenzari), slain by a deep elf blademaster (a +0 short sword of draining) on Elf:2 (elven_hall_of_blades_hangedman_alternative; nicolae_blade_entry_pointy_end) on 2015-03-29 19:10:10, with 140641 points after 38428 turns and 2:04:22. 15:00:31 so the tourney scrips use the timestamps in the log/milestones? 15:00:36 johnstein: yes 15:00:42 -!- Larry is now known as Guest48891 15:00:51 -!- Kolbur has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:09 and it accounts for timezone diffs because presumably all output is in UTC 15:01:20 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20150329-195940.txt 15:01:20 -!- Guest48891 has quit [Client Quit] 15:01:23 <|amethyst> so I guess it counts 15:01:24 crawl writes UTC timestamps 15:01:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:38 -!- EriktheRed___ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:01:54 but the UTC is based on the server using correct times? or does it do a 'phone home' to some official time server? 15:02:10 Yeah, it relies on the server clock being correct 15:02:29 1learn add johnstein TODO ensure cbro server clock is correct 15:02:29 hm 15:02:53 should gods be allowed to gift you items that would kill you due to stat drain, but not otherwise 15:02:59 probably not 15:03:08 stat drain doesn't kill you, so... 15:03:14 oh right old code 15:03:22 my brain was off 15:03:29 that's what happens when you retire 15:03:36 imho int drain 15:04:08 <|amethyst> unfortunately I couldn't get summon hydra to under 50% before I quit 15:04:11 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:24 <|amethyst> maybe I could have if I hadn't sacrificed a hand, so i could wear Int+4 and Wiz 15:04:50 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:51 The build has errored. (master - e412df5 #2089 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56327090 15:04:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:05:13 <|amethyst> oh, haha 15:05:18 <|amethyst> ghoul, duh 15:05:34 <|amethyst> wasted time travelling to high and swapping spells for nothing 15:05:42 quitting also doesn't leave a ghost unless something changed 15:05:45 <|amethyst> ah 15:05:49 -!- Miskatonic is now known as MrShoggoth 15:05:53 <|amethyst> oh well :) 15:06:00 !kw ghostly 15:06:01 Keyword: ghostly => !boring !won ktyp!= lg:place!=D:1 lg:place!=D:2 lg:place!=Temple !mu !gh !vp lg:status!~~lich 15:06:06 <|amethyst> guess I'll have to leave annoying ghosts the usual way then 15:06:21 <|amethyst> %git :/moral 15:06:22 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-2832-g354d479: Make quitting less of a moral issue. 10(2 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=354d47989254 15:06:35 hm 15:06:38 this code doesn't work 15:06:39 summon hydra ghost does sound cool 15:06:39 weird 15:06:48 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:59 ...oh, artefacts, probably 15:07:18 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07:19 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07:21 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07:42 wow, you don't leave a ghost if you're in lich form 15:07:48 -!- MrShoggoth has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:52 still? really? 15:08:03 oh, I just saw the kw 15:08:08 don't know if that's still needed 15:08:17 Hi, I found a problem on http://crawl.develz.org/. Who should I tell about that? 15:08:27 this channel is good 15:08:51 So... there's a SERIOUS error in the Linux installation instructions 15:08:53 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:09:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-247-gdc6c167: Pull out some bad item rejection code 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 83+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc6c1676f79e 15:09:09 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:10:00 <|amethyst> MrShoggoth: yes? 15:10:20 is anyone really committed to the current design of acquirement? 15:10:29 <|amethyst> oh, tee /etc/apt/sources.list 15:10:35 bh: as opposed to? 15:10:42 Under the Ubuntu/Debian instructions, the instructions as currently written will OVERWRITE the system sources 15:10:44 bh: "design"? 15:10:46 This will break systems 15:10:47 PleasingFungus: popping up a fake store where you get to buy one item for free 15:10:57 Should be appending that sources line. 15:11:00 I think chequers rewrote that... 15:11:02 doy: the current acquirement seems way too much like "scroll of disappointment" 15:11:03 oh. the crawl-lite approach? 15:11:18 imho scroll of disappointment is funny 15:11:19 <_< 15:11:40 <|amethyst> also changing it to use https 15:11:56 yeah good idea 15:12:11 |amethyst: but that change needs to be pushed, so just let me know when it's updated 15:12:16 bh: I don't like the crawl-lite approach 15:13:03 elliptic: why's that? 15:13:18 <|amethyst> ah, theres a repo? 15:13:27 acquirement is nice when it gives you shield of gong 15:13:28 GONNNNG! 15:13:28 |amethyst: yeah, dcss-website in ~cdo 15:13:36 Okay |amethyst, I think that looks better 15:13:40 <|amethyst> :q 15:13:42 <|amethyst> err 15:13:42 acquirement is not nice when it gives you the -15 plate armour of Magic {+Fly rPois rF+ MP-9 Stlth+}. 15:13:51 but the remote is chequers' repo 15:13:59 |amethyst: the website is not run through there 15:14:06 <|amethyst> gammafunk: oh, I modified the copy in /var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/download.htm 15:14:07 it's just a repo where I get updates from chequers 15:14:18 |amethyst: that's alright, only I can push to chequers' repo anyhow 15:14:20 I'm not a fan of acquirement's spoily behavior 15:14:22 likewise acquirement is nice when it gives you a useful, powerful weapon 15:14:25 so I'll do that based on your change 15:14:27 bh: I don't think it adds interesting decisions and it's likely to make an already very strong item stronger 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-248-g1b78b51: Buff Nessos' XP 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b78b513fc03 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-249-g6121c7c: Remove the 15k XP cap 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6121c7c83738 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-250-g94700bd: Increase Dowan/Duvessa XP by 50% 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94700bde27df 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-251-gdd70cbc: Dramatically increase Ijyb's XP value 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd70cbceeb74 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-252-g361f046: Double Jorgrun XP 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=361f046e6a6e 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-253-g1ed567d: Tweak Sojobo XP up slightly 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ed567dc00a4 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-254-g8b09d7a: Roughly double Mennas XP 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b09d7a9279e 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-255-g4d00cf9: Roughly equalize SoH XP 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d00cf90e268 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-256-gf12b0b4: Increase Gastronok XP by 50% 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f12b0b483939 15:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-257-g368d447: Remove many melee uniques from water branches 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=368d4473fbe4 15:14:35 ... and 12 more commits 15:14:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, my change doesn't seem to be visible 15:14:37 |amethyst: it is to me 15:14:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: what is apache serving up? 15:14:42 <|amethyst> ah 15:14:49 <|amethyst> I had to shift-reload but it's there now 15:14:54 and acquirement is not nice when it gives you a +4 short sword of protection to your ogre 15:15:23 bh: I agree that current acq is spoily but we already suggested multiple ways of addressing that just the other day... I'm not sure exactly which I think is best but I think I like all of them better than giving the player a choice of items (one of which is probably much better than the others) 15:15:53 yeah I don't think reforming acquirement comes from the "buff acquirement" point of view, but from the removing spoilers point of view 15:16:24 acquirement handing out +1 animal skins {cast-} is stupid 15:16:31 all it does it dissaude people from picking armour, for example 15:16:31 bh: why? 15:16:42 bh: you could say that for any category 15:16:51 bh: is acquirement handing out wands of flame stupid? 15:16:54 bh: so does acquiring wand and getting /drain 15:16:58 PleasingFungus: yes 15:17:22 you could've just acquired a rod instead 15:17:35 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:45 -!- pedrominicz has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:46 yeah, but you didn't, you tried to get /haste or /hw 15:17:48 <|amethyst> rod is moving to misc, right? 15:18:01 optimal play shouldn't be contingent of tedium 15:18:11 checking all of your known items before reading acquirement is tedious 15:18:33 is it? 15:18:48 tbh I think the problem there is the insane clunky anti-HUP UIO 15:18:50 *UI 15:18:54 bh: I almost never check anything before reading acq, and I don't feel like I'm missing out 15:19:00 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:01 The build has errored. (master - dc6c167 #2090 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56329706 15:19:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:19:02 you know what would be nice 15:19:09 &o-style acquirement 15:19:10 bh: I do think that acq would be better if it didn't depend on what you had seen, though 15:19:19 Bloax: you mean wishing? 15:19:23 <|amethyst> re the repo, I didn't see any objections to github... I would recommend we start switching bots etc over to github 15:19:24 except you don't get to choose any properties 15:19:37 <|amethyst> and docs 15:19:42 bh: that's an example of something that can be changed 15:19:46 CanOfWorms: you can wish for a shield, but you can't wish for the +2 Shield of Resistance {rF+, rC+, MR+} 15:19:58 <|amethyst> once we're sure everything is updated, we can stop committing to gitorious and doy can switch off his script 15:19:59 ah, I see 15:20:03 so it stops once you pick the item type 15:20:04 <|amethyst> but 15:20:08 yep 15:20:24 elliptic: mhmm. that seems non-controversial to me 15:20:29 <|amethyst> I guess we have to send out an email to the private list so people can join 15:20:41 technically this means that you can acquire any kind of potion 15:20:53 |amethyst: doy has added most of us as...well I'm not sure what class..to the github repo 15:20:54 acquire scroll: this is a scroll of acquirement! 15:21:01 well yes 15:21:06 you acquire a single scroll of acquirement 15:21:20 after all, this isn't nethack 15:21:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I only see 10 members, the devteam is bigger than that :) 15:21:29 why shouldn't you be able to wish for another wish 15:21:39 yeah, right, it's just more active people 15:21:40 i only added people who i could easily find github names for 15:21:41 you get a net gain of no wishes 15:22:00 most just looking through recent commits and clicking on usernames 15:22:01 new pastime: acquirement streak 15:22:05 nethack doesn't let you wish for wishes 15:22:15 see how many acquirements you can get in a row 15:22:19 more than one anyhow 15:22:21 <|amethyst> 9 people, crawl-mirrorer is really doy 15:22:30 <|amethyst> retyping the commits by hand 15:22:48 doy has incredible wps 15:23:30 -!- Big-guy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:05 <|amethyst> Also, I should make chei watch more repos 15:24:16 <|amethyst> the web page, monster, chei itself, ... 15:24:28 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:28 <|amethyst> watch and announce I mean, at least to ##crawl-dev 15:24:59 -!- Lightil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:54 Since we're discussing post-tourney changes: What about possibly changing the Lair rune branches (Swamp, Spider, Shoals, Snake) to 3 levels. Currently my change the the Spawn lists is "roughly have the same monsters, just cycle through the" but that might not be the best option. 15:26:56 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:57 The build has errored. (master - f578f52 #2091 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56330391 15:26:57 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:27:55 reaverb: my position was and remains "they're fine at 5 but I could survive 4 if you really feel the need to cut them", since I haven't seen any actual arguments since the last time you brought this up. 15:27:59 rip tournament 15:28:40 I think my issue with >3 levels for branches 15:28:49 Is that you'll feel a massive hit in xp 15:29:07 if there's something that needs shortening then that would be first and foremost hell branches 15:29:09 -!- www has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:29:16 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-270-ge72e6f2: don't error on unset env vars 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e72e6f26ea15 15:29:19 Bloax congratulations m8 15:29:31 nah, hell branches are the only ones that are meaningful when they're long 15:30:45 maybe hell branches should disable item generation 15:30:56 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 15:31:05 how is their length meaningful? 15:31:07 <|amethyst> for lair branches, 5 -> 3 levels would I think cut about 20% of your pre-vaults pre-depths XP 15:31:31 <|amethyst> though I'm not correcting for level 5 being so much more XP, and assuming you reduce them to 60% xp 15:31:32 reaverb: my position is "I think reducing them to 4 levels would be good at least, 3 might be good too but would require more xp rebalancing" 15:31:45 it's super special awesome when you have to play hide and seek with the stairs for 24 floors while constantly being interrupted by status effects and popcorn spawns 15:32:40 hell is definitely first and foremost in all our development planning 15:32:59 and you can leave on any level if you get into some trouble with having insufficient supplies 15:33:01 Kolbur: I think the idea is that hell branches are supposed to be an endurance test... you spend as little time there as possible because you are getting gradually ground down by hell effects 15:33:30 in practice I don't think it really works that way on all characters though 15:33:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:33:44 I've had characters where it did work that way, but not for a while 15:33:47 elliptic: maybe that would be the case if it wasn't possible to just leave on any level 15:33:51 the standard pan->hell route makes it less of an issue 15:34:03 Kolbur: well, if you leave, you have to start from the beginning 15:34:05 since you have infinite xp and loot before you ever get to hell 15:34:15 !send hell gammafunk 15:34:16 Sending gammafunk to hell. 15:34:24 which one?!?! 15:34:24 many characters can just rest in hell too 15:34:41 yeah but then i have the hells already mapped, makes it much faster to go down again 15:34:58 yeah, TSO people have even farmed level one of hell branches to get to 6* 15:35:13 by resting and killing hell effect spawns 15:35:16 -!- Radiman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:35:19 gammafunk: yes, or for specific demon weapons 15:35:23 I did that to get rid of tso penance once 15:35:23 right 15:35:24 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:19 gammafunk: oh, I should teach qw to do that for TSO piety when I teach it to extended 15:36:53 elliptic: people in that qw quit thread were complaining that you don't have qw use =tele when it gets stuck 15:37:39 yeah, I should implement using =tele sometime 15:37:52 but I look forward to qw in extended 15:37:56 I'm currently refactoring all the equipment selection code to make it easier to do swapping stuff like that 15:38:09 in preparation for coding qw slime 15:39:14 i can imagine hell being difficult on a very weak character 15:39:33 on a strong one only the actual end vault poses a challenge 15:39:49 with the 24 floors of hide and seek being pure boredom 15:39:59 hmm, is the hive abyss rune vault supposed to pop up frequently? 15:40:09 I got it 3 times in my 4 games this tourney 15:40:17 just clustering most likely 15:40:20 yes 15:40:21 it doesn't have higher weight 15:40:25 the other time I was teleported onto the rune in a 1 tile vault :v 15:40:28 Hmm, I think I'll twiddle with the Lair rune branches to remove popcorn, and then drop them down to 4 floors in a few days. 15:40:33 that is not a significant number of games 15:42:14 reaverb: might want to put that into a branch and let people take a look before merging 15:42:31 gammafunk: Sure! 15:42:43 hrm, how does that affect games that have explored the lair branches already? 15:43:05 gammafunk: It doesn't, IIRC. 15:43:33 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:34 The build has errored. (master - e72e6f2 #2092 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56331949 15:43:34 well if you change the branch defs, it would at least affect things like ctrl-O, wouldn't it? 15:43:34 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:43:40 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-271-g0bc2cf5: try a different implementation of retry 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bc2cf5b9717 15:43:43 or is that in the save 15:43:43 The branch code handles changing branch length well, this shouldn't cause any problems. 15:43:56 Oh, haven't tried cntrl-O, but it hasn't been a problem historically. 15:44:10 well if it all Just Works that's great 15:44:58 So what of branches then? S and S on 2 or 3, Slime on 3 or 4? 15:45:45 magicpoints: We're talking about shortening {Snake, Shoals, Swamp, Spider}, not the Lair. 15:46:13 Oh 15:46:14 So the places they appear in the Lair won't be changed. 15:46:17 Also fine imo 15:48:28 -!- Kaidessa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:49:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:15 The build has errored. (master - 0bc2cf5 #2093 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56333383 15:49:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:50:42 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-272-ge72019a: i guess i should stop trying to write posix sh 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e72019a04be3 15:51:07 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:51:26 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:51:40 -!- Cheburashka has quit [] 15:52:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:54:09 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-273-g44f444e: use bash here too 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44f444ec6381 15:54:20 !learn add 0.17_plan https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.17_plan 15:54:22 0.17 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.17_plan 15:54:36 if anyone sees anything in that that's laughably wrong, feel free to edit 15:54:40 -!- doy has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:55:21 I've added ctele removal, reaverb's branch shortening, but there are probably some likely things that are missing 15:55:25 would it be worth having an experimental for shortens lair branches? 15:55:29 oh 15:55:37 the god entry is bugged 15:55:38 I it's in its own branch 15:55:45 s/I/if 15:56:19 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:20 The build has errored. (master - e72019a #2094 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56333982 15:56:20 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:56:42 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:47 PleasingFungus: are you still working on orc reform? 15:57:21 johnstein: testing a change like length 5 -> 4 seems like more of a trunk thing to me 15:57:43 since it's hard to really notice the change that much in a single game 15:57:52 -!- GoodTickle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:06 compared with a new god or species or a total branch rework 15:58:40 elliptic: agreed. I only mentioned it because gammafunk suggested putting it in a branch first. 15:58:40 -!- HoloIRCUser5 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59:03 oh no, that was just for looking over the code and I guess letting people vet the idea 15:59:08 perhaps I'm in "experimental-branch-setup" withdrawal 15:59:16 but it seems there's actually not much disagreement 15:59:43 wow johnstein, maybe you should see a deep elf psychiatrist 15:59:50 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:00 do you guys bother trying to tweak item drops to compensate for 4 missing floors? probably not a whole lot missed there I bet 16:00:06 yeah, putting it in a branch seems reasonable regardless of putting it on a server 16:00:21 gammafunk: I was poking at it a little bit a few hours ago 16:00:21 johnstein: well, 2 missing floors in a single game 16:00:28 actually I need to do cbro housecleaning since I'm almost out of space again 16:00:31 ah yea. good point 16:00:39 PleasingFungus: well I'm making you famous! you're going into the 0.17 plan! Congratulations! 16:01:07 hooray 16:01:25 also I guess reaverb left but he'll also have to manually adjust the descriptions in dat/descript/branches.txt 16:01:32 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:01:35 btw I can probably write a tourney results post later today if anyone was wondering about that 16:01:42 I was looking into automating them but it gets too weird with stuff like pan, 16:01:45 elliptic: that'd be cool! 16:01:51 will take a look at some sequell data when I do that 16:02:36 -!- doy has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:03:11 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:01 I hope the rune obtained at 3rd lowest XL gets prominent mention in said post 16:06:04 !time 16:06:04 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 09:06:04 PM, UTC. 16:06:10 rip 0.16 tourney 16:07:33 i have a problem with sequell, it doesn't seem to know my latest win 16:08:00 this one: (21:54:51) Eksell: Kolbur the Acrobat (L27 KoAK), worshipper of Lugonu, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes, with 16953500 points after 91291 turns and 30:36:50. 16:08:02 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08:14 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:21 Kolbur: Sequell is resting, will be back shortly 16:09:21 1learn add :beh: !lg>>> :: Note the Sequell database is outdated 16:09:55 !lg 16:09:56 2794. gammafunk the Summoner (L10 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Lair:5 on 2015-03-29 05:45:31, with 6767 points after 6889 turns and 0:42:44. 16:10:16 elliptic: here's my summary chart http://i.imgur.com/RSZSRuC.png 16:10:22 missing the last .2 days of the tourney though 16:11:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:11:36 !lg * t !meleebug !boring / won 16:11:37 576/43353 games for * (t !meleebug !boring): N=576/43353 (1.33%) 16:11:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:12:28 was looking at 0.17 plans. why is rmsl a badcharm? 16:12:31 ??badcharm 16:12:31 badcharm ~ badchar[1/1]: Guaranteed to be bad. 16:12:38 heh 16:12:39 goodsequell 16:12:44 ??uncoolplayers 16:12:44 uncoolplayers ~ coolplayers[1/2]: Players who have won at least one combo that makes a word online in 80x24 console using vikeys or arrows+numrow or an external numpad. 16:13:11 ??rmsl 16:13:12 repel missiles[1/2]: A level 2 Charms/Air spell that helps you dodge enemy ranged attacks (by reducing their to-hit roll (for evasion purposes only) *to* a random amount between: 50% and 100% for penetrating beams, 0% and 100% for single-target missiles). 16:13:19 ??repel missiles[2 16:13:19 repel missiles[2/2]: In 0.14+, doesn't time out normally but has a 1 in (2+pow/8) chance of expiring whenever a missile is repelled. 16:13:27 ??ununcoolplayers 16:13:27 I don't have a page labeled ununcoolplayers in my learndb. 16:14:06 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:32 oops! re: linux error 16:14:35 greensnark: ok thx 16:14:55 PleasingFungus: From a popular twitch streamer: "Speaking of, do you guys have any sort of social media? Twitter is an amazing way to get the word out on what's going on in the DCSS universe! I was looking to pimp you guys a little, but I didn't have anywhere to tweet at." 16:15:03 I guess giving him @crawlcode would be a bad idea 16:15:08 probably 16:15:29 you should start the official dcss twitter 16:15:37 I guess we could 16:15:44 set it up to tweet with every wordpress post & sigmund kill 16:15:46 the website source repo was rewritten to support the site as a standalone entity, I'm waiting on feedback from npkin about how he wants to set up a standalone landing page domain before doing more work 16:15:57 daily reminder that bloax is the scourge of life #why 16:16:16 https://twitter.com/octotrog 16:16:35 tweets all the rune pickups and orb runs 16:16:37 with a link to the game 16:16:43 (for our little group) 16:17:10 currently has some bugs 16:17:18 gammafunk: re: backlog, i think Q wrath elementals being mysteriously a ton stronger than normal elementals is really bad 16:17:21 johnstein: Love the octopode image 16:17:30 MarvinPA: glad I'm not the only one who finds that weird :) 16:17:32 :) 16:17:35 much worse than vault monsters even because at least those have a silly different name 16:18:00 yeah, there's no way for a player to know that the E is way more dangerous, aside from colouring in the monster list like simmarine said 16:18:37 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:47 id think noting it in the wrath screen could be enough? 16:19:03 imo your fault if you dont read his wrath and die to it! 16:19:40 i wouldn't have nearly died to them if i knew they had 10 time more hp and 5 time more damage or something 16:19:46 times* 16:20:00 probably just give them a silly different name 16:20:30 much as i dislike vault monster-like things i think they probably should be immediately distinct somehow, yeah 16:20:32 I don't think noting it in the wrath screen is enough. 16:20:45 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:49 well the problem remains that the only difference is hd, which is going to be hard to discern from xv 16:20:55 but I guess if the monster descript is unique 16:21:03 it can just outright state this 16:21:28 not in terms of hd, but just "Far more powerfull than a normal foo elemental", or something 16:21:45 metasyntactic elemental 16:21:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0a1/20150320030211]] 16:21:51 -!- pikaro has left ##crawl-dev 16:22:21 I don't really like creating new monsters just for god wrath, but sending a few oof wouldn't be good wrath either 16:22:53 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:52 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24:04 -!- Plasmo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:25:21 whats jewelery 16:25:32 moon? 16:26:00 oh pleasingfungus left 16:26:46 pretty sure nowhere spells it like that though 16:27:50 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:38 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:00 ??strategic consumable 16:29:01 I don't have a page labeled strategic_consumable in my learndb. 16:29:17 what are strategic consumables? !xp? 16:29:58 um, the beneficial ones? 16:29:59 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:47 ones that you use out of combat 16:31:00 xp, acq, ew/ea etc 16:33:14 ok. was looking at the 0.17 plan and saw the line about them 16:33:27 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-274-geb51c43: how about i stop trying to pretend i can write shell scripts 10(49 seconds ago, 3 files, 42+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb51c43752bd 16:33:36 what if there were randart altars 16:33:43 not affiliated with the current gods 16:34:10 and one would be !xp effect, another would be ?acq, or !benemut 16:34:30 annoying to have to backtrack to old ones 16:34:33 but maybe they are all linked 16:34:59 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:random_god 16:35:33 'you kneel at the altar of Benny Myut, the shapeless'. Pray to receive your reward. 16:36:18 and you can pray at any Benny Myut altar in the Dungeon to get that reward (found 3 of them, pray at any of the three to get benemut 1, 2, or 3 times) 16:36:27 so you don't have to walk to each one 16:36:33 and they don't take up room in inv 16:36:58 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-275-g3b1317f: fix travis script 10(35 seconds ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b1317f7a4bf 16:39:20 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-276-g3aba9b4: Correct spelling for real. 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3aba9b46202b 16:39:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41:36 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-277-g81c4dad: one more time 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81c4daddfda3 16:41:39 |amethyst: am I crazy, or did you change the font on cszo 16:41:39 oh i got confused where my commit had gone when i pulled and rebased 16:41:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41:40 amethyst is too quick! 16:41:48 i am bad at programming today 16:41:49 <|amethyst> hah 16:41:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: not that I know of? 16:42:01 weird 16:42:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: did you change the zoom? 16:42:14 no I'm default zoom 16:42:18 it just looks different 16:42:25 !time 16:42:26 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 09:42:26 PM, UTC. 16:42:37 maybe this was an ubuntu font change or something but I'm not sure 16:42:42 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:47 ..doh 16:42:51 it was 90% :/ 16:42:59 the icon mislead me 16:43:02 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:06 (my zoom was 90%, that is) 16:43:46 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:44:36 -!- Sczcya has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:44 oops, did someone break compilation 16:45:14 03doy02 07* 0.17-a0-278-g25fb5b6: show commands in the log 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25fb5b64d9e6 16:45:17 !blame PleasingFungus 16:45:17 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 16:45:21 %git dc6c1676f 16:45:21 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-247-gdc6c167: Pull out some bad item rejection code 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 83+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc6c1676f79e 16:45:27 gammafunk: What's your plans regarding elf anyways 16:45:41 pretty much only as formulated as what you saw 16:45:56 I plan to finish Moon and then try the stat drain reform before working on that though 16:46:06 ok 16:46:16 (what's your plans regarding Moon anyways) 16:46:17 gammafunk: i noticed chrome seems to have shrunk a lot of fonts for some reason, and it wasnt only me. some pages i have at 110% zoom to replicate the old font size 16:46:19 -!- Lightil is now known as Lightli 16:46:45 (wasnt only me because i asked some friends and some noticed the same thing) 16:46:55 simmarine: this is a recent thing, or just has always been the case? 16:47:04 a few weeks ago i think by now 16:47:24 gammafunk: what's your stat drain reform plan? because i have stat drain recovering with xp gain mostly working locally 16:47:27 not sure I've noticed, but perhaps the fonts used by chrom on ubuntu are different from your os 16:48:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:48:15 MarvinPA: My plan was to make it more meaningful by turning into a corrosion-style duration (I guess one for each stat type) where the affect was larger with a single application 16:48:31 oh ok, i think i prefer drain-like to corrosion-like personally 16:48:37 dunno what others think 16:48:59 MarvinPA: do you think it's sufficiently different from just drain itself? I guess it is 16:49:01 corrosion-like seems like it'd require more work to make sensible, possibly 16:49:04 -!- Kierst has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:49:15 right, obviously if you have working code now, since I have nothing 16:49:31 MarvinPA: so you'd remove !restoreab and keep =sustain? 16:49:40 i think so, yeah 16:50:07 well tbh that seems like it allows us to have monster apply more stat drain or less stat drain as we see fit 16:50:16 duration actually makes that kind of harder 16:50:22 so maybe your approach is better 16:50:39 also having to rest off yet another status would be a little more annoying 16:50:51 yeah, drain-style is much better for that as well 16:51:04 i can push it to a branch sometime soon for people to take a look at anyway, still needs a bit more work i think and it's a couple of months old now 16:51:14 sure, sounds good to me 16:51:57 we have to get it merged so that.. 16:51:59 ??minmay[1] 16:51:59 minmay[1/19]: http://cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/me.ogg 16:52:41 ??moon 16:52:41 I don't have a page labeled moon in my learndb. Did you mean: goon, toon. 16:53:09 good sequell... 16:53:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 16:53:45 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:45 oh yeah the build is still broken, isn't it 16:54:56 in multiple ways i think :( 16:55:12 do we need to revert PF? 16:55:30 i might have fixed it but i don't understand what any of this code that i'm messing with does 16:55:44 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:45 The build failed. 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(master - 25fb5b6 #2099 : Jesse Luehrs): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56339920 17:03:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:04:24 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:04:32 reaverb: well, no, i was in the middle of fixing things on travis 17:04:37 so the failures were actually expected 17:04:39 <|amethyst> would be nice if it printed the number of failing builds 17:04:43 it should be more reliable now 17:05:07 doy: Ah, sorry then. 17:05:16 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 17:06:42 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:09 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:07 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-279-gcb373cd: Fix compilation. 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 11+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb373cdf310f 17:11:33 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 17:12:43 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:13:49 -!- MrShoggoth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:05 <_miek> is the gitorious git repo no longer useable? 17:16:17 <_miek> and if so, which one is considered master now? 17:16:18 _miek: switch your urls to https:// from git:// 17:16:25 <_miek> ah.. ty 17:17:28 -!- defeeca has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:50 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:46 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 17:29:59 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:28 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:38:28 -!- Lurk has quit [Client Quit] 17:38:35 -!- hhkb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:40:01 why is it that deep elf knights can use spells but not orc knights 17:40:04 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 53-84 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 621 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:40:04 %??orc knight 17:40:08 deep elf knight (10e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 37-60 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 14 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 779 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d8), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse / throw frost (3d8), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d8), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:40:08 %??deep elf knight 17:40:45 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:23 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:50 <|amethyst> Lightli: better apts 17:42:05 rip orc knights 17:42:08 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:40 orc knights can use spells, they just choose not to 17:43:05 int: normal 17:43:26 they're still working on getting haste to yellow failure rate 17:44:55 <|amethyst> greensnark: could you post your sources.yml somewhere (or is it already)? 17:45:06 <|amethyst> greensnark: I was going to update scoring and it would help to have the list 17:46:20 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-280-gce18152: Don't let revenants ignore silence 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce18152a4ad3 17:46:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-281-g01b03bd: Merge unborn into death knights 10(3 weeks ago, 23 files, 32+ 91-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01b03bd92021 17:46:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-282-g0ba6b4c: Don't randomly generate silent spectres in Crypt 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ba6b4c7c30b 17:46:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-283-g1b6081f: Don't make phantasmal warrior melee pierce shields and AC 10(3 weeks ago, 7 files, 12+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b6081fea573 17:47:58 rip dragging silent spectres to lichbox vault 17:47:59 rip 17:48:31 -!- Kierst_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:49:09 MarvinPA: Perhaps we could make Silent Spectres work like Torpor Snails or Ancient Zymes? So only the player would be silenced by a hostile Spectre, other monsters wouldn't be affected. 17:49:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:44 reaverb: I don't think that's a good while silence exists in other forms 17:49:53 s/a good/a good idea/ 17:49:53 -!- Kierst has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:00 elliptic: Hmm, why? 17:50:07 |amethyst: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/config/sources.yml 17:50:09 we don't have other effects that slow or sicken everything in a region 17:50:19 we do have other effects that silence everything in a region 17:51:23 Ah. 17:52:24 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:54:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:55:42 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:53 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:55:56 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 17:59:28 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:26 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:16 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:03:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:18 The build was fixed. (master - cb373cd #2100 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56342222 18:03:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:06:16 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:07:36 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:43 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:11:56 pleasingfungus: nice to see the xp changes land -- my one comment is that the first commit for nessos seems sort of low compared to all subsequent buffs. he's only worth 50% more than a centaur warrior?! 18:12:36 @??nessos 18:12:36 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 956 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:12:42 @??centaur_warrior 18:12:42 centaur warrior (08c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 44-68 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 921 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:13:10 yeah he's probably worth at least two of those 18:13:17 which bot should i unignore for @?? 18:13:22 ??bots 18:13:22 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Rotatell (CBRO, ^), Eksell (CXC, |); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 18:13:27 chequers: ^ 18:13:50 chequers: imo unignore all bots in ##crawl-dev if you can 18:13:58 ##crawl is different, of course 18:15:20 <|amethyst> okay, restarting scoring scripts 18:15:25 annoying to set that up 18:15:43 chequers: I forget if I got back to you about the params, but I think it's no security issue as long as the library url parsing code is smart about returning all values and any webtiles code is smart about using only one value 18:15:55 <|amethyst> I copied the missing logfiles to cao and added them as a "new" server 18:16:11 gammafunk: cool, thumbs up, i'll make a similar change to janitor code too 18:17:05 I too am not up to speed if there are any other url param concerns, I guess it could be a thing if you were concerned about malicious urls being given out that seemed ok at first glance but snuck in a second, nasty param value somewhere else in the string 18:17:09 @??nessos 18:17:09 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 956 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:18:19 <|amethyst> greensnark: if you still need the missing CWZ 0.16.0 milestones I have them on cao 18:18:46 <|amethyst> greensnark: you had them, but I don't know if yours got partially overwritten? 18:18:46 seemed ok at first glance meaning the user actually looked at said url before clicking/following, but assuming that at all seems dubious, and all the webtiles code can do is verify that param values are sane 18:18:56 <|amethyst> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cwz-0.16.0/ 18:19:06 gammafunk: i just remembered what made me think of this: http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2008-12-18-AWS-signature-version-1-is-insecure.html -- by my reading it's not relevant for us, but probably best to take the first copy of any variable anyway 18:19:16 <|amethyst> also, cwz 0.15 milestones/logs seem to be missing from the website 18:19:48 heh, speaking of unique xp 18:20:12 Pikel dies! Your Spellcasting skill increases to level 4! Your Summonings skill increases to level 5! You have reached level 4! You have reached level 5! You have reached level 6! 18:20:21 and that's with HE 18:20:34 not that I'm complaining! 18:20:58 <|amethyst> Slavers are worth good XP 18:22:11 but not the slaves :( 18:23:50 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 18:25:37 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:23 pikel's difficulty is quite variable depending on your character 18:26:36 difficulty is quite variable depending on your character 18:27:25 no my characters 18:27:25 *not 18:27:53 pikel's difficulty is consistent when you are a hesu>? 18:28:24 uh 18:28:59 pikel is easy! it's the post-pikel Menakaur when you have no mp you need to worry about 18:29:02 !lg 18:29:02 2797. gammafunk the Caller (L6 HESu), slain by Menkaure on D:4 on 2015-03-29 23:24:03, with 338 points after 1353 turns and 0:09:56. 18:29:15 I cured, but that silly M landed a good roll 18:29:25 *Menkaure 18:29:36 Menakaur: A mummy centaur unique 18:29:59 maybe a Mennas centaur? it could go a lot of ways 18:30:09 DrKe: congrats on no. 1 player btw 18:30:21 the shit is "random" in "maybe_random_div(you.skill(SK_FIGHTING, 100), 100, random)" ? (attack.cc) 18:30:45 since the third argument is a bool i do have a guess but i am still curious 18:30:48 probably floor if random is false 18:30:54 and random_div if random is true 18:30:55 <|amethyst> Bloax: the parameter to the method 18:31:11 <|amethyst> Bloax: see the beginning of calc_to_hit above 18:31:13 it's "do I randomize?" 18:31:16 <|amethyst> Bloax: there is an @param 18:31:17 <|amethyst> yeah 18:31:21 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 18:31:23 !lg * t won s=name 18:31:24 1804 games for * (t won): 23x Yermak, 23x Sharkman1231, 22x Tolias, 21x MorganLeah, 19x Happylisk, 19x DrKe, 18x Zooty, 17x BLOAX, 16x Oddbjorg, 15x HilariousDeathArtist, 14x Xen, 14x WalkerBoh, 13x Kellhus, 13x damdam, 13x Tusk, 12x simm, 12x HungrySpirit, 11x ParticlePhysics, 11x elliptic, 11x inmateoo, 11x Starve, 10x TheNoid, 10x zkyp, 10x Suckerboh, 10x rubinko, 10x EnterQ, 9x Medar, 9x lesse... 18:31:38 11 wins in two days 18:31:41 choo choo 18:31:42 I guess elliptic succeeded in nerfing Tolias 18:32:05 he didn't succeed in nerfing me though 18:32:18 you're not even in the top 10 list 18:32:20 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:25 yeah, DrKe ended up on top because he had a lot of wins, a very nice speedrun, and also a fairly long streak 18:32:32 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 18:32:37 that's because i had like no time to play in this tournament at all 18:32:49 and had to come up with something to pull the team up 18:32:53 which was obviously streaking like hell 18:33:25 is it just me or are wizards not very good for blasty-type characters 18:33:25 !lg * t !@bot s=name x=sum(dur) o=sum(dur) 18:33:29 63743 games for * (t !@bot): 67x Yermak [7d+0:23:01], 58x Oddbjorg [6d+8:50:56], 198x Suckerboh [6d+7:30:52], 16x ParticlePhysics [6d+5:05:39], 431x Sharkman1231 [6d+2:58:14], 106x MorganLeah [5d+23:33:34], 166x damdam [5d+19:58:28], 145x Zalbag [5d+19:45:41], 161x DogShitOnMyToe [5d+9:58:54], 43x kraphead [5d+9:50:42], 137x Chiseanne [5d+4:15:25], 148x SaintRoka [5d+4:07:23], 41x gameguard [5d+4:... 18:33:38 >tfw they change the rules so you cant win the tournament anymore :( 18:33:38 "nerfing" was about "lots of wins is the way to win the tournament" not about "making it so players don't win" 18:33:50 !lg . t x=sum(dur) 18:33:51 175 games for Bloax (t): sum(dur)=3d+9:28:24 18:34:21 Lightli: they are good for 1 more int but otherwise no 18:34:41 yeah i figured out at some point that winning more things i hadnt won was not worth the time 18:34:51 and focused on getting better turncount/score wins 18:35:01 gammafunk: The double damage bug kind of shot the latter in the head anyways :v 18:35:02 DrKe: oh you didn't have a detailed scoring spreadsheet, or something like that? 18:35:26 Lightli: yeah, but again the latter was never an aim :) 18:35:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:56 Yermak would have been close if his allrune speedrun hadn't splatted in Coc:7 18:35:57 I kind of assumed that the top players must carefully track what they need to win to maximize score 18:36:02 ah 18:36:02 i just saw that winning muck would get me like sub 100 points so it was like nty 18:36:03 since that would have been quite a few points 18:36:11 !lg yermak br=coc 18:36:12 5. Yermak the Ninja (L20 SpAs of Dithmenos), slain by an ice devil on Coc:7 (coc_grunt) on 2015-03-28 18:49:20, with 643358 points after 24813 turns and 5:13:41. 18:36:20 !lg yermak br=coc x=urune 18:36:20 5. [urune=14] Yermak the Ninja (L20 SpAs of Dithmenos), slain by an ice devil on Coc:7 (coc_grunt) on 2015-03-28 18:49:20, with 643358 points after 24813 turns and 5:13:41. 18:36:24 wow 18:36:24 yeah it would have gotten him a better low turncount score as well 18:36:26 gammafunk: the race/class/god points are less important now that they have a stepdown 18:36:37 !lg yermak t won min=turns 18:36:38 23. Yermak the Imperceptible (L18 SpAs of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-27 13:44:52, with 2103883 points after 35305 turns and 2:59:10. 18:36:51 maybe not that much better, but like 400 points or so 18:36:53 Yeah. 18:36:57 gammafunk: that was after getting the rune (one turn after getting the rune even) so he still had one hell to go, but it would have been a great score 18:37:05 Yermak was aiming to beat Zooty. 18:37:14 no 18:37:15 I don't think he was aiming to win the tournament. 18:37:19 he was aiming for all tier 3 banners 18:37:22 Yeah. 18:37:24 elliptic: yeah, I'm guessing about 27k 18:37:25 which includes being top dog in the clan 18:37:29 And to get the tier 3 he needed the saint 18:37:30 maybe 26.5k 18:37:31 by beating Zooty. 18:37:32 wot m8 18:37:37 Display damage for beams/missiles/melee 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9593 by Sandman25 18:37:37 unfortunately he kind of got ninja'd 18:38:12 i'm amazed at how many points streaks give 18:38:12 !lg * won urune=15 turn<27000 min=sc 18:38:13 9. Yermak the Ninja (L22 SpEn of Dithmenos), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-04-10 18:12:53, with 54334266 points after 26400 turns and 8:45:17. 18:38:18 who is Big-guy, Tolias, or Tabstorm, or... 18:38:26 i pulled out a 6-win streak out of my ass in 14 hours and kaboom, 600 points 18:38:27 Im a big guy for you x 18:38:33 mysterious... 18:38:35 so like 54M points 18:38:44 Yeah i felt really bad for Yermak though. 18:39:04 !calc 54000/120 18:39:04 450 18:39:16 yermak got shot down by the streak train 18:39:23 Choo choo 18:39:32 so about 250 more points if he won that, plus whatever the win was worth 18:39:57 I guess another 50 points or so for low turncount itself 18:40:12 so yeah he would have needed more to catch up with DrKe 18:40:38 4th all runer would be worth 80~ for runes 18:40:53 well he got the rune points regardless 18:40:53 well yes 18:40:59 drke had 300 more streakpoints than yermak 18:41:11 oh rigt, he died with 14 18:41:11 that's a lot of catching up to at the really high points 18:41:32 !streak elliptic 18:41:33 elliptic has 20 consecutive wins (SpEn, SEAs, DDCK, HEFE, MfTm, DsIE, CeHe, HaBe, DECj, TrWr, DrAE, GhMo, DgRe, KoHu, HuCr, MiGl, MDFi, NaSt, HOPa, VpSu; DEAE, MfWr, NaTm, NaMo, VpBe, TeTm, HaCj, DDAM, SEHe, SpAr, CeVM, OpAM, DsIE, HaHe, SpEE, TeFE, OpEn, SpDK, DsEE, DrFi) and has won their last 17 games (TeCj, KoEE, VSEE, NaNe, DDFi, KoCj, OpMo, CeCK, DgEE, MiCK, HEAs, VSFi, VSSk, GrTm, HOSk, HOG... 18:41:42 that's not right since it's !meleebug 18:41:46 he's at 27 18:41:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:52 The build was fixed. (master - 1b6081f #2101 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56345723 18:41:52 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:42:05 gammafunk: my !streak entry is longer this way :P 18:42:12 haha 18:42:30 wow 18:42:41 !lg elliptic meleebug won 18:42:41 No games for elliptic (meleebug won). 18:42:45 oh 18:42:50 those don't cancel out 18:42:56 use :elliptic 18:43:01 !lg :elliptic meleebug won 18:43:02 10. elliptic the Slayer (L26 SpIE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-22 05:18:24, with 1816642 points after 58894 turns and 4:01:52. 18:43:04 to avoid nicks 18:43:09 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 18:43:09 good to know 18:43:28 is there any way to query something as stupid as most wins within 24 hours 18:43:36 -!- Bacchus_DCSS has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:43:48 i think 6 is probably the record 18:43:48 not a perfect way 18:43:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:43:58 elynae did 6 before iirc 18:44:00 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:44:24 oh, maybe just 5 18:44:34 you can query wins in a 0:00-23:59 sense 18:44:42 but not in just any 24 hour period, i guess 18:44:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:46 since there is a page that lists them by day 18:44:52 !lg * won s=name,day(end) ?:N>5 18:44:54 13 games for * (won): 7x araganzar (7x 20141003), 6x BLOAX (6x 20150329) 18:45:01 you also just get games ended on that day 18:45:18 they could have been started on other days (this is what araganzar did) 18:45:32 well for me it certainly isn't 18:45:39 jesus christ what did i do 18:46:09 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:07 -!- Limulu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:39 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:49:12 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:49:37 !lg * won s=name,day(end) ?:N>4 18:49:38 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:39 18 games for * (won): 7x araganzar (7x 20141003), 6x BLOAX (6x 20150329), 5x Elynae (5x 20120318) 18:52:15 too bad i was too shitfaced to not splat the DDBe at that point :( 18:53:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:53:09 elliptic: Did you have any specific plans for changing shadow traps? 18:53:19 recall traps pls 18:54:12 gammafunk: I've mentioned before that I think they would be better as one-shot recall traps 18:54:21 that seems ok to me 18:54:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:54:58 (one-shot so that you can't repeatedly scum them to kill everything on a level) 18:55:11 like a covoker in trap form? 18:55:18 yeah (though without the delay) 18:55:25 except not abusable like a convoker ;) 18:55:43 (if you can stomach the might spam) 18:55:44 do people actually scum convokers? it does seem potentially good 18:55:58 it's great for really strong melee turncount speedruns 18:57:00 anyway my main motivation for wanting them to be recall instead of shadow creatures is so that you have less motivation to just run/teleport to the stairs when you explore into a shadow trap 18:57:39 well yes that is the actual problem with shadow traps as-is 18:57:51 I have a great idea. 18:57:56 Put shadow traps in zigs. :) 18:58:13 I like your shadow trap idea and hope it gets implemented. 18:58:25 put zigs in shadow traps 18:58:42 The repeated triggering aspect just ends up being pretty annoying as well. I guess one problem is that a player that finds a teleport trap might be included to just step on it in many instances 18:58:46 er 18:58:50 s/teleport/shadow/ 18:59:00 Shadow traps are pretty poorly designed at the moment. 18:59:03 Sullen shadows surround you.. 18:59:14 Welcome to the ziggurat floor 27! 18:59:15 having enemies surrounding you is pretty poor strategy even for axe/tornado types 18:59:37 rchandra: yeah, but how poor it is depends a lot on where the trap is 18:59:49 rchandra: yeah, I don't think intentionally stepping on a recall trap would be great unless you are speedrunning 18:59:51 anyhow that's not really a big problem I suppose 19:01:14 I guess we might consider renaming the trap itself, since 'shadow' is no longer terribly appropriate 19:01:21 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:31 Call it 19:01:34 "Poor design" trap 19:02:07 nice one dude 19:02:09 gammafunk: yes 19:02:09 non-shadow trap 19:02:26 thanks n1k :) 19:02:29 That One Trap 19:02:35 Assault portal 19:02:41 gammafunk: "recall trap" or "convoke trap" don't seem terrible to me, maybe there is something better though 19:02:44 That God Damn Thing Again 19:02:52 Why is this even in the game 19:02:54 Party trap 19:03:01 which is a palindrome 19:03:01 so 19:03:03 0.16 Was Too Good To Be True trap 19:03:04 obviously it's the best 19:03:24 lol party trap 19:03:36 nicolae-: that great 19:03:38 *that's 19:03:49 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 19:04:27 +1 for palindrome (but sadly probably no) 19:04:51 "It's like there's a party at the scene of your death and everyone's invited!" 19:05:01 if the monsters got little party hats it would be 100% go 19:05:17 have it throw off clouds of multicolor smoke also 19:06:05 You trigger a party trap. Confetti bursts from the ceiling! Xom plays a rousing tune on kazoo! 19:06:32 is there any work on whatever the moon is supposed to be at all?? 19:06:32 The Brimstone Fiend shouts "SURPRISE!" 19:06:38 "convocation trap" sounds good to me but it might not be immediately obvious what it does from the name if players aren't familiar with ironbrand convoker 19:06:44 that's the one thing in .17's planning log that confused me 19:06:47 ambush trap :v 19:07:18 n1k: yes, but this is the same problem with the name of the monster. As long as the description is accurate it should be ok 19:07:25 not that I love that name either 19:07:43 gammafunk, yeah, I think it's fine enough 19:07:44 ambush trap sounds reasonable to me too 19:07:57 oh yeah, ambush trap 19:08:00 'ambuscade' is a cool worse 19:08:07 *word 19:08:07 just saying 19:09:05 "the ambush||convocation trap surrounds you with monsters from the floor!" 19:09:48 "ropes fall from the ceiling! monsters in black turtlenecks surround you!" 19:10:14 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:20 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:26 you see here a +0 tactical black turtleneck 19:10:30 I just realized 19:10:45 a +0 tactilneck 19:10:48 once the 15k exp limit removal hits trunk, meat sprint will become exp paradise 19:11:49 -!- [sa]static has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:12:51 -!- Big-guy has quit [] 19:16:11 pardon my hazy mind, but do i understand it correct that by inputting "random" it is just setting the appropriate mode of the function without any randomness to actually triggering it? 19:16:19 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:16:32 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:11 random being true as as an argument to functions/methods like that is to say "yes, do randomization" 19:17:20 so that one doesn't have to make e.g. an if block 19:18:08 |amethyst: I have cwz 0.16 logs / milestones from whenever Sequell fetched them last 19:18:19 there are variants along the lines of "if this argument is true, do a thing, otherwise do nothing" 19:18:45 |amethyst: I also have 0.15 logs from whenever those were last available. 19:18:55 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19:24 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:19:28 -!- mauris_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:20:08 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:05 <|amethyst> greensnark: I don't think I need the latter, but I'll let you know if I do 19:21:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:21:13 <|amethyst> I also need to look into moving ttyrecs again 19:21:25 <|amethyst> 146G of ttyrecs now, 32G free 19:21:57 I always feel bad when I whine about the size of the ttyrecs on cbro 19:22:18 since cszo has more ttyrecs than all of cbro's total disk space 19:22:30 <|amethyst> hmm 19:22:38 <|amethyst> the CDO logfile seems to have problems 19:22:46 <|amethyst> some embedded nul bytes? 19:22:53 <|amethyst> for 0.16 19:23:36 |amethyst: Approx offset? 19:24:00 Is there a clever way to grep for nul bytes 19:24:04 gammafunk: so basically it's just a marker for "this bool is true" and not some kind of Mysterious Random Input variable 19:24:16 <|amethyst> greensnark: around line 2683 byte 1445698 19:24:26 <|amethyst> greensnark: / in vim works 19:24:30 which function again? 19:24:38 !function maybe_random_div 19:24:39 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/random.cc;hb=HEAD#l139 19:24:47 <|amethyst> more in several other places 19:25:04 Bloax: yeah, surely you can read this function and see that 19:25:12 unless you mean a different function 19:25:21 -!- gal_bolle has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:25:24 <|amethyst> greensnark: 2683, 2690, and 2696 19:25:27 i can read the function, yeah 19:25:37 I guess one thing to point out is that it's nom/2/denom 19:25:46 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:25:49 <|amethyst> greensnark: let me see if the tourney copy is any better 19:26:02 it's just "random" that is making me nervous since that would usually mean a random value 19:26:49 <|amethyst> greensnark: no, the tourney scripts' copy has nul there too, as does the original on CDO 19:27:11 Hm 19:27:16 0.16 logfile? 19:27:21 hmm. what's the difference between unholy and evil items, particularly unrands 19:27:35 <|amethyst> greensnark: yeah http://crawl.develz.org/allgames-0.16.txt 19:27:59 Oh you said line 2683 19:28:00 |amethyst: yeah, I had to add something to the tourney scripts to make them ignore the mangled lines 19:28:05 I was looking at offset 2683 19:28:18 <|amethyst> yeah 19:28:19 |amethyst: those lines appeared when cdo went down 19:28:31 <|amethyst> offset ~1445698 19:29:48 Weird, I'm not seeing any obvious junk in allgames-0.16.txt 19:29:56 Let me grab a fresh copy and diff 19:30:36 <|amethyst> greensnark: can I get a copy of yours? 19:30:53 Bloax: in this case, that random = true will make it return the average of that random roll 19:30:55 <|amethyst> :q 19:30:57 <|amethyst> doh 19:31:00 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:31:03 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:31:05 nom / (2 * denom) 19:31:30 so you can think of it as "fix the fraction to the average value" 19:31:34 when random is true 19:32:09 <|amethyst> 146G of ttyrecs, 48G of saves + game_data, 98G of binaries, 28G of morgues 19:32:15 dang 19:32:27 <|amethyst> need to write a script to merge trunk versions with < 4 players 19:32:32 is that 146g a ttyrec of every game played on cdo? 19:32:33 <|amethyst> that would cut half the binaries + game_data 19:32:48 isn't it return random2(nom+denom) / denom if random is true 19:33:03 |amethyst: https://loom.shalott.org/~tecumseh/allgames-0.16.txt 19:33:07 <|amethyst> chequers: no, only since the beginning of 2014 19:33:13 since it's if (random_factor) { blah } else return nom / 2 / denom; 19:33:25 <|amethyst> chequers: older ones are on greensnark's server 19:33:36 <|amethyst> greensnark: much better! 19:33:55 wow 19:34:21 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:25 |amethyst: I see the junk with a fresh download from cdo 19:34:35 yes that's what the function does, what I'm saying is that if random_factor is false, what's returned is the average value of what's returned when random_factor is true 19:34:36 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:53 <|amethyst> greensnark: I'll replace the beginning of my cached copy with that 19:35:10 <|amethyst> greensnark: I wasn't downloading it during the tournament or it wouldn't be bad in the first place 19:35:25 well yeah that sounds right 19:35:35 since random2(nom+denom) / denom has average value nom / 2 / denom 19:36:19 it's just that you said "random = true will make it return the average of that random roll" :v 19:36:25 <|amethyst> greensnark: running now, hopefully no errors this time 19:36:30 elliptic: What made cdo go down, again? 19:36:37 <|amethyst> greensnark: processed 6000 lines, which is further than the last time 19:36:50 <|amethyst> greensnark: hardware issues... cable in front of a CPU fan or something 19:36:57 Oh 19:37:08 So that wouldn't really cause file corruption 19:37:12 <|amethyst> well 19:37:18 <|amethyst> if these are consumer-grade disks 19:37:25 <|amethyst> they probably don't really flush when they say they have 19:37:36 Well we don't fsync either 19:37:40 Do we? 19:37:40 more like the controller 19:38:40 <|amethyst> greensnark: oh, hm, I guess not... only for our saves 19:43:08 hey, i think people in here mentioned they were gonna take a quick look at this patch i submitted after the tournament: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9494 19:43:22 specifically wheals and/or gammafunk i think? 19:43:50 <|amethyst> ah, reminds me I was going to look at sandman's thingy 19:43:55 <|amethyst> !bug 9340 19:43:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9340 19:44:01 sugary (L11 MfTm) ASSERT(shield_type) in 'acquire.cc' at line 184 failed. (D:10) 19:44:07 nice memorizing that id :o 19:44:54 <|amethyst> I searched :P 19:45:12 <|amethyst> %git ability_slot 19:45:12 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3304-geb98db0: Allow the user to enable/disable overwriting in *_slot options. 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 73+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb98db09ca31 19:48:59 -!- Kittykai_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:52:41 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:54:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56:52 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:01:24 chequers: You can't have "Skills should give constant benefit per level." together with "Mindelay should never be perfectly reached. Instead, the further above the threshold your skill is, the greater the chance of a mindelay attack (so demon whips attack at mindelay more than GSCs)" btw 20:02:29 I think you can 20:02:56 <_miek> doesn't UC show an example of how it could be done? 20:02:56 above mindelay, there is a 1/(extra levels above mindelay) chance of adding 0.1 delay 20:03:47 well, I would prefer a smarter distribution, so the range of delay variability is much wider 20:03:56 that's not a constant benefit per level though 20:04:22 I suppose, I guess I'd rephrase the first point then 20:04:35 FR: cleaving into a confused monster doesn't cause TSO penance, especially without warning 20:04:51 it's fine for skill 26 -> 27 to be less efficient than 18->19 for a demon whip 20:05:06 It's silly that draconian callers are most threatening because they confuse themselves with swamp drakes 20:06:55 I guess draconian callers are themselves kind of silly 20:12:34 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:13:31 -!- filthyDubstepDro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:21 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:38 mauris: looking over the patch, it seems ok to me, have you by chance tested in webtiles? 20:16:41 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:35 oh, i haven't; also not sure i can compile that atm :( 20:17:58 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:18:18 mauris: er, what format is this patch in? 20:19:23 git am can't determine the patch format 20:19:23 hm, it should just be whatever kind of patch git diff makes 20:19:26 maybe i did something wrong 20:20:05 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 20:20:10 mauris: you should be using git format-patch 20:20:38 e.g. git format-patch --stdout origin/master > mypatch.patch 20:21:25 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:52 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:24 `git apply` works for applying diffs in `git diff` format, but you lose attribution information 20:22:34 which is why `git format-patch` is better 20:25:47 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:23 -!- Jonatan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:37:04 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:38:34 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39:54 minor updates to two of my theme shops 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9594 by nicolae 20:40:45 Incoming controversial changes. 20:41:01 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-284-ga594528: Lower all species Evo apts by 1 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 38+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a594528b7406 20:41:01 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-285-ge95019c: Implement flat mp scaling and remove mp cap 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e95019c67fd5 20:41:04 oh boy 20:41:56 I'm reverting 20:41:58 also, iirc, there's code that, when certain crappy base items are generated, it will make it into a crappier item even if the vault syntax says it should be something else 20:42:00 back to 0.15 20:42:02 is that really needed 20:42:05 seems good 20:42:09 * Grunt reverts gammafunk back to 0.1 20:42:13 * Grunt reverts gammafunk back to 1.0 20:42:20 -!- Archevanescent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:42:23 do I still have Sif at least?!?! 20:42:32 revert yourself back to good coding school 20:42:33 Hell no! 20:43:20 gammafunk: after my tourney centaur who worshipped Sif just as points died, I felt like we should remove Sif entirely. 20:44:14 If we remove all other gods, I'm game 20:44:26 kill all gods 20:44:28 -!- mauris has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:30 cast down the vile demiurges 20:44:35 gotterdamerung begins today 20:46:24 !lg Lasty t splat 20:46:24 1. Lasty the Nimble (L20 MuWz of Sif Muna), blasted by a fire giant (fireball) on Vaults:4 (ontoclasm_vaults_chip) on 2015-03-15 19:45:02, with 314384 points after 64423 turns and 4:30:31. 20:46:37 !lg lasty t ce !won max=xl 20:46:37 No games for lasty (t ce !won). 20:46:45 it died after the tourney ended 20:46:53 !lg Lasty splat 20:46:54 38. Lasty the Markscentaur (L20 CeWn of Sif Muna), blasted by a titan (the air) on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_curved2) on 2015-03-29 22:45:17, with 326967 points after 79005 turns and 3:50:31. 20:46:56 question: if a vault says "any weapon ego:whatever" is there anyway to either have that not include clubs or to force the club to be that thing 20:47:05 V:5 :p 20:47:08 it's not a big deal except for Vault Aesthetics but 20:47:15 !log Lasty splat 20:47:16 38. Lasty, XL20 CeWn, T:79005: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150329-224517.txt 20:47:30 yeah, I shouldn't have been there, or if I was, I should have been way, way more careful 20:48:32 13 charms, no charm spell above L3 20:48:48 yup 20:48:50 atheist sif 20:48:58 I turned off Charms as soon as I got 6* 20:49:07 well that's fair at least 20:49:09 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:49:37 turns out centaurs are pretty good, so having no god and 20% less XP is kinda okay 20:49:47 but not if you take stupid risks 20:51:33 heh 20:51:37 Level 0.5(8.7) Maces & Flails 20:51:43 confused me a bit until I realized 20:52:00 what did you realize, gammafunk 20:52:05 haha 20:52:28 I realized that nicolae- doesn't know how skills work! 20:52:31 ah, crosstraining 20:52:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:34 1learn add dunk_of_the_monk 20:52:38 s/monk/month/ 20:52:40 or not 20:52:51 since nicolae- lives like a monk 20:52:54 listen. i don't need to know how skills work. i've transcended that. 20:52:54 !tell pleasingfungus !crashlog sugary 20:52:55 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:52:57 1learn add dunk_of_the_month again 20:53:06 nicolae-: unholy means demons evil means necromancy 20:53:07 what does that even mean, that i live like a monk 20:53:21 that i have a robe and tonsure 20:53:36 you get extra piety when you worship a god 20:53:46 wait are we talking like franciscan monks or like a shaolin monk 20:55:34 nicolae-: alone, sitting at your desk, a half eaten can of baked beans, the spoon still sticking out, sits near your right hand. On your desk are mad scribblings of "x" "c" and "A" on paper. And as the camera pans up...we see endless papers of the same, thousands of variations, plastered endlessly to the otherwise featureless walls of your attic... 20:55:35 why nerf all evo? 20:55:36 i like how sandman says "i hope you take a look at the forum thread" where every dev who responded said "no" 20:55:38 !apt evo 20:55:38 Evo: DD: 4!, Sp: 4!, Ko: 3, Fe: 2, : 2, : 2, Fo: 2, Op: 2, DE: 2, HE: 1, Te: 1, Dr: 1, Mf: 1, Ds: 1, Na: 1, Hu: 1, Ha: 1, HO: 1, Gh: 0, VS: 0, Dg: 0, Vp: 0, Mi: 0, Ce: 0, Gr: 0, Og: -1, Mu: -1, Tr: -2* 20:55:40 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:40 !apt invo 20:55:41 Inv: Ds: 3!, DD: 3!, HO: 3!, Fo: 2, Na: 1, DE: 1, Op: 1, Gr: 1, Ko: 1, HE: 1, Og: 1, Ha: 1, Ce: 1, Mf: 1, Hu: 1, Dr: 1, Gh: 1, Sp: 0, VS: 0, Dg: , Mi: 0, Fe: 0, Tr: -1*, Vp: -1*, Mu: -1*, Te: -1* 20:55:52 chequers: to give humans flatter apts, duh 20:56:19 i do NOT have a half eaten can of baked beans 20:56:19 the evo misc items used to be generally not worth using at all 20:56:46 "generally"???? 20:56:51 okay 20:56:58 phial was always decent I thought 20:57:13 er a lot of them used to not exist or exist in their current form 20:57:14 I think simm means before evokers 20:57:52 !lg simmarine 1 20:57:53 1/1402. simm the Charm-Maker (L4 SpEn), blasted by Phssthpok's ghost (magic dart) on D:4 on 2010-12-14 10:12:23, with 268 points after 2769 turns and 0:14:50. 20:57:56 !lg chequers 1 20:57:56 1/604. chequers the Grappler (L11 TrCK of Xom), engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_02) on 2014-08-23 04:12:14, with 10692 points after 7951 turns and 1:05:07. 20:58:03 He's an old-timer :) 20:58:10 i used to not even play online! 20:58:16 !lg . 1 x=cv 20:58:17 1/1402. [cv=0.7] simm the Charm-Maker (L4 SpEn), blasted by Phssthpok's ghost (magic dart) on D:4 on 2010-12-14 10:12:23, with 268 points after 2769 turns and 0:14:50. 20:58:49 I think my oldest versio is 0.10 20:58:50 0.14 doesn't exist fwiw 20:58:51 *version 20:59:57 although at one point during what might have been 0.8 or 0.9, I started a minotaur in console, killed a gecko, butchered it, picked up its skeleton, then walked like 100 spaces and quit before not playing again for maybe 2 years 21:00:03 true story 21:00:23 !lg rast min=start 21:00:24 979. rast the Magician (L1 MuWz), slain by a giant cockroach on D:2 on 2012-02-25 05:00:50, with 31 points after 142 turns and 0:03:39. 21:00:24 I was like "hey, my skeleton is gone now! That's total crap!" 21:00:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:00:29 I remember my very first game of crawl: MDFi, found an early CPA, worshipped Nemelex, got killed by the first card I drew 21:00:29 ragequit 21:00:36 RIP MDFi 21:00:42 hmm i know i played way before that back when rax was first starting up cao 21:00:53 that is the most Lightli story i have ever heard 21:01:13 I dunno, at the end it got a bit 21:01:14 !glasses 21:01:14 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 21:01:16 ...darkli 21:01:29 (it was a hostile blade card) 21:01:34 more like dorkli 21:01:37 I think you mean the dance 21:01:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:01:45 blade is the buff card 21:02:00 i remember my first game of crawl... 15 rune win, i don't know why everyone says 4.1 was so hard 21:02:08 e.g. the dance is in the deck of summons 21:02:19 blade was in war or defence or w/e 21:02:19 -!- serq has quit [Quit: und weg...] 21:02:21 gammafunkL would you say that pun... was a gimli? 21:02:32 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:11 more like gimbli 21:03:22 I think we have weird hair tiles for all of the tolkein fellowship chars 21:03:40 don't even think they're used at all, but they have tile defs and are in the tilesheet 21:03:41 Lasty: Why does Invocations give 0.6 mp and Evocations 0.5? Seems like they should be the same. (This is the best time to change it, given that we have to replace the formula anyway). 21:04:02 there is definitely still hill dwarf beard 21:04:03 gammafunk: are they there for player doll options 21:04:09 nicolae-: ah, ok 21:04:17 that would make sense I guess 21:04:53 reaverb: I'd be fine with making it 0.5 in both cases. I was trying to keep it approximately at old proportions. 21:05:36 Lasty: Yes, I guess I'll do that Soon then. 21:06:03 okay 21:06:07 Soon 21:06:15 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.1-11-g651b585 21:06:17 wheals: haha my immediate thought 21:06:34 fr: make that thing a crawl monster 21:06:47 I would quit out of fear 21:06:51 And also making species mp/hp modifiers just robust/high magic >_> 21:07:17 no 21:07:21 rip 1k hp 21:07:34 reaverb: that would mean that species which start robust can never get frail 21:07:39 (unless we change that too) 21:08:21 Lasty: That's an extremely small mechanical change probably well worth the mechanical change :D 21:08:26 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:28 yeah, why would we want to prevent said species from getting those mutations? 21:08:31 Also you can still get frail from wretched stars!!! 21:09:19 err, s/worth the mechanical change/worth the simplification/ 21:09:32 ogre buff 21:09:46 would that make bloax happy enough that he wouldn't mind us banning him from ##crawl-dev 21:09:59 I'll take that deal 21:11:09 great bug report: Exiting Crawl tiles sometimes causes display driver to fail 21:11:23 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:11:40 not quite as good as Exiting Crawl tiles sometimes causes hard drive to fail 21:11:43 but we'll take it 21:11:56 I just realized that the evo apt change was a Mu nerf 21:12:01 because apparently they needed one of those 21:12:07 Exiting Crawl tiles sometimes causes Crawl tiles to fail 21:13:17 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:45 fr: make every apt of Mu -2 21:14:21 especially hp 21:14:30 big rip mummy of nemelex 21:15:25 we have nerfed mu evocations so much 21:15:32 and by god we will nerf them again! 21:15:36 again? 21:15:51 -5 apt and that wands-cost-mp mutation innately 21:15:58 mu used to be able to evoke some evocables and use targetting even when confused 21:16:01 oh 21:16:02 until I saw dck doing that 21:16:05 and I fixed it 21:16:08 (actually they're not far away from -2 apts everywhere) 21:16:10 !apt mu 21:16:10 Mu: Fighting: 0, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -2*, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: -2, Summ: -2, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: -2, Ice: -2, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: -1*, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 0, MP: 0 21:16:13 thus a beautiful friendship was born 21:16:30 gammafunk: i can't believe you keep shooting down his ideas here 21:16:34 With this change, just Fighting, Stealth, Spellcasting, Hexes, Necromancy, and Invocations are left 21:16:45 wheals: what can I say, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool goon 21:17:05 more like peed-in-the-pool goon 21:17:09 i know 21:17:14 ouch 21:17:19 it was just such a great movie, you know??? 21:18:28 (I still wonder why Mu hasn't gotten any buffs yet to even try to bring it up to par with the other races) 21:19:16 the devs went on a field trip to the museum together and got MEGA spooked by a mummy exhibit and so they promised never to make crawl mummies powerful or they would be TOO spooky 21:19:33 How does the idea of removing confusion sound? I know it's a little radical, but the status has around as many special cases as suppression and which rarely do anything because it's almost always cured immediately. (This is more theoretical, I don't have any immediate plans to do this) 21:19:59 rip meph cloud 21:19:59 rip 21:20:09 that sounds overstated 21:20:10 eh, confusion is really relevant early-game 21:20:20 and for Mu at all times 21:21:25 -!- Frenoss has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:25:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:51 no idea how that commit landed so broken 21:25:55 the acq refactor one 21:27:05 probably sabotaged by goons 21:27:15 ya probably 21:27:26 also the shield crash is trivially reproducible, which is good 21:29:38 !apt inv 21:29:38 Inv: HO: 3!, DD: 3!, Ds: 3!, Fo: 2, DE: 1, Ce: 1, HE: 1, Gh: 1, Ko: 1, Mf: 1, Gr: 1, Ha: 1, Hu: 1, Na: 1, Og: 1, Op: 1, Dr: 1, Dg: , Mi: 0, VS: 0, Sp: 0, Fe: 0, Te: -1*, Vp: -1*, Mu: -1*, Tr: -1* 21:29:54 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:00 why are deep dwarves and hill orcs so good at following gods? 21:30:20 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:30:33 hill orcs because they have their own and deep dwarves because they spend all their time moping around 21:30:59 so because hill orcs have beogh, they are really good at following Ely 21:31:11 they're a deeply religious people, sure. 21:31:13 way better than humans or nearly any other race 21:31:15 this is all Wensley's fault 21:31:19 I'd really like to see a more normal +2 invo race, possible Hu 21:32:00 !apt evo 21:32:00 Evo: DD: 4!, Sp: 4!, Ko: 3, Fo: 2, Fe: 2, Op: 2, : 2, : 2, DE: 2, Na: 1, Ds: 1, Mf: 1, Te: 1, Ha: 1, Hu: 1, HO: 1, Dr: 1, HE: 1, Vp: 0, VS: 0, Gr: 0, Gh: 0, Mi: 0, Ce: 0, Dg: 0, Mu: -1, Og: -1, Tr: -2* 21:32:29 minus one to all ^ 21:32:46 (in trunk) 21:32:53 ? 21:32:53 what, again? 21:33:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-286-ga45b206: Don't crash when acquring armour in a form 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a45b206a3441 21:33:18 hm, marvinpa left 21:33:23 I wonder if phantom warriors should get a damage buff 21:33:35 what's the command to show reversion ga594528? 21:33:42 %git a594528 21:33:42 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-284-ga594528: Lower all species Evo apts by 1 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 38+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a594528b7406 21:33:46 o 21:34:03 the things I miss 21:34:15 gammafunk: does moon have spectral spriggan riders? 21:34:25 is moon in trunk? 21:34:30 %git moon 21:34:30 Could not find commit moon (git returned 128) 21:34:32 moon is in my trunk 21:34:40 not your trunk 21:35:09 is cdo down 21:35:11 14 minutes, 6 seconds since last activity (cdo) 21:35:15 @??meatlord 21:35:15 unknown monster: "meatlord" 21:35:17 oh weird 21:35:17 ??apropos randarts[Moon 21:35:17 apropos_randarts[19/27]: L - a transparent robe the +1 robe of the Moon (worn) {Int-2} 21:35:18 hm 21:35:21 I was just logged in 21:35:28 rip 21:35:32 rast: No one knows what moon is yet outside of gammafunk 21:35:33 it's up 21:35:40 @??the meatlord 21:35:41 The Meatlord (13&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 60 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: sum.greater demon [06!sil], crystal spear (3d88) [06!sil], iron shot (3d88) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20.. 21:35:42 cdo is online for ssh, yeah 21:35:48 moon is like... imagine a small planet 21:35:52 @??dread 21:35:53 dread (15W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 50 | HP: 500 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1313(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, 07vault | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:35:55 huh 21:36:06 Lightli: ummm I totally know what it is 21:36:08 I hope I didn't break meatsprint 21:36:16 if "moon" is Endor, I quit crawl forever 21:36:25 rast: no, that's no moon 21:36:25 rast: good news! 21:36:28 minmay: Well then I'm wrong then 21:36:31 well there goes my idea for a endor swamp vault 21:36:36 look, ewoks are not a marketing gimmick 21:36:52 meatsprint monsters should probably just be real monsters because it seems like someone breaks one every 2 weeks 21:36:55 they're a food resource 21:36:59 they are a valid expression of our artistic integrity 21:37:09 are you impugning our artistic integrity 21:37:25 minmay: they'd probably end up showing up as zombies or skeletons or something if we did 21:37:40 (in the normal game) 21:37:42 haha, epic meatlord zombie deaths 21:37:58 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:37:58 %??orc 21:38:08 did chei ever get updated 21:38:18 unknown monster: "shard shrike" 21:38:18 %??shard shrike 21:38:25 grettel is current 21:38:29 *Gretell 21:38:32 use that instead 21:38:57 Note: the Gretell database is unoutdated 21:39:00 @??shard shrike 21:39:00 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5345 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 21:40:24 |amethyst: pressing P at CSZO main menu puts you in 0.16 now 21:41:24 rast: my original argument for making HO god-tier at invo is contained within https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4355 21:41:24 Wensley: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:42:03 ??cloak of starlight 21:42:03 cloak of starlight[1/1]: The +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}. 21:42:19 ah, thank you Wensley 21:42:37 !learn e cloak_of_starlight s/$/ In 0.17, +2 and Slth--. 21:42:37 cloak of starlight[1/1]: The +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}. In 0.17, +2 and Slth--. 21:42:49 dang mpa 21:42:53 wow, an fr: in mantis, implemented and pushed to trunk in less than two hours 21:43:10 I think that should be revisited now, though 21:43:11 wheals: I am incredibly impressed that you remembered that I was responsible for so minor a patch as increasing hill orc invo apt 21:43:36 rast: why? 21:43:41 rast: they're still less popular than MD 21:43:44 hahaha 21:43:51 Wensley: hi 21:43:51 Wensley: imo it's a cool change 21:43:54 minmay: hi 21:44:01 PleasingFungus: eat a butt 21:44:04 minmay: link me these videos 21:44:11 I want to dream as you dream 21:44:12 rude..... 21:44:13 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:25 pizza += butt 21:44:44 PleasingFungus: minmay has the cloud2butt extension for irc 21:44:52 eat a cloud...? 21:45:01 this is very confusing. 21:45:49 oh, whoa, rip sure blade 21:45:52 I totally missed that 21:46:04 PleasingFungus: and yes I agree that it's an awesome change! but the racial landscape has changed since 2011, I wouldn't mind having more races be good at invo 21:46:12 invo is a pretty neat skill 21:46:22 the racial landscape... 21:46:26 fo are good at invo, for some reason. 21:46:35 !apt fo 21:46:36 Fo: Fighting: 1, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 1, Bows: -2, Xbows: 0, Throw: -2*, Armour: 1, Dodge: -1, Stealth: 3, Shields: 2!, UC: 0, Splcast: 0, Conj: -1, Hexes: 2, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 3!, Inv: 2, Evo: 2, Exp: 1!, HP: 0, MP: 1 21:46:37 fo are too weird to count as a race 21:46:42 heh 21:46:42 presumably ants are good at blindly following leaders 21:46:54 on account of the whole ant thing 21:46:56 (hence why I suggested a "normal" +2 invo race) 21:47:01 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 21:47:22 maybe sludge elves could get that. 21:47:27 it's already been established that dwarves have high invo, of course 21:47:31 so fo do 21:47:31 are we bringing back sludge elves 21:47:35 in a big way 21:47:48 smudge elves 21:47:57 mountain dwarf getting +2 invo would probably upset wensley 21:48:20 smut elves 21:48:39 kludge elves 21:48:40 but seriously I think it should be Hu. 21:48:56 gammafunk: fwiw I was sad that you removed the shadow step/firewood interaction until I saw berder's complaints 21:48:58 -!- Kittykai_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:49:00 I'm now with you on it 100% 21:49:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:21 sadly i think berder isn't quitting crawl forever 21:49:22 good 21:49:42 rchandra: +2 to making humans not have the world's most boring apts 21:50:16 i thought "boring" was a hu reason ;) 21:50:25 alternatively, give humans -5 to every apt so that new players aren't so easily tricked into playing them 21:50:29 challenge race 21:50:36 !lg * s=race / boring o=% 21:50:44 677463/4160004 games for *: 1/2x Yak [50.00%], 127949/378808x Deep Elf [33.78%], 24618/86685x Demigod [28.40%], 121/466x Grotesk [25.97%], 10098/45462x Kenku [22.21%], 37470/179002x Mummy [20.93%], 19557/97275x Mountain Dwarf [20.10%], 86706/451104x Demonspawn [19.22%], 60/321x Plutonian [18.69%], 141/779x Cherufe [18.10%], 30988/172210x Hill Orc [17.99%], 12786/73208x Deep Dwarf [17.47%], 34386/2... 21:50:47 it feels more like mu might become -2 in every apt 21:50:56 03reaverb02 07* 0.17-a0-287-g93b8e50: Remove Lugonu corpse sacrifices 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=93b8e5070b05 21:51:11 Hu are fine as-is, weird people think the aptitudes were you can do anything are the most "boring" 21:51:32 i bet you don't believe in the paradox of choice either 21:51:43 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:46 hm 21:51:52 reaverb: don't you need to adjust the god description...? 21:51:59 I don't believe in the axiom of choice 21:52:13 nor should you! know it for a fact. 21:52:13 PleasingFungus: Nope, that's handled by the "likes_corpse()" function. 21:52:17 huh 21:52:19 neat 21:52:22 PleasingFungus: haha 21:52:35 i believe in the axiom of choice. though not the well-ordering theorem. 21:52:37 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:52:44 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:50 PleasingFungus: This meant Lugonu's description didn't mention that they had corpse sacrifices in the Abyss. 21:53:00 which was...rather weird. 21:53:32 no corpse sacs in abyss, you mean? 21:53:36 i believe in euclid's fifth postulate but not the fourth 21:53:48 this... i believe 21:53:55 PleasingFungus: No, I mean the description would be differant iff the player was in the Abyss. 21:54:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:56:03 thats funny 21:56:17 niiice 21:56:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:56:43 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:56:44 does that mean there shouldve been corpses everywhere if you were an ak who went to the abyss later on 21:56:57 well, the abyss is infinite 21:57:10 but also, yes 21:57:12 I never reported this bug because I always intended to make it irrelevant. So of course I ended up taking several months to change 8 lines of code :/ 21:57:17 rip 21:57:55 Oh that reminds me: Fedhas has a rather big problem with growth right now, in that the targetting is non-determinsitic but you can cancel and retry it as much as you like. 21:58:34 yes thats a thing. a better interface would be appreciated but i assume no one really had a good solution 21:58:35 haha, i always assumed it was deterministic 21:58:48 it's nondeterministic...? 21:58:57 oh, wait, growth, not reproduction 21:58:58 wheals: It's pretty close if there's monsters in sight, but it's really obvious if they aren't. 21:59:03 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-288-gaf424a4: Changelog through 0.17-a0-287-g93b8e50 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 36+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af424a4233de 21:59:06 that makes more sense 21:59:06 if you have a monster nearby it tries to always plant the first plant there, but thats it really 21:59:30 I wonder if that's my biggest single changelog commit 21:59:39 a git log wizard would be able to say 21:59:58 ??cloak of starlight 21:59:58 cloak of starlight[1/1]: The +0 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth-}. In 0.17, +2 and Slth--. 22:00:11 can starlight be renamed to flash because that was cooler 22:00:20 "no you" 22:00:41 I like starlight. 22:00:56 did death knights really need haunt :/ 22:01:04 oh i see, you wanted to just combine unborn and death knights 22:01:05 Cloak of the Flash always made me wonder if it could have evocable passwall. 22:01:12 simmarine: yeah, exactly 22:01:16 there are just too few summoners in crypt! 22:01:20 yes 22:01:32 passwall is a weird effect 22:01:50 passwall isnt always deterministic either iirc 22:01:52 ya 22:02:01 at least it can't instakill you anymore 22:02:02 did cloak of starlight really need to get better? 22:02:03 probably 22:02:06 <|amethyst> I read that as "paywall isn't always deterministic" 22:02:11 heh 22:02:16 ??cloak of flash 22:02:17 cloak of flash[1/1]: Unrandart +3 cloak {+Fly, EV+4} 22:02:34 <|amethyst> just keep reloading and maybe open a porn-mode tab, you'll get your news eventually 22:02:40 !learn edit cloak_of_flash s/$/. Sorta merged with cloak of Starlight in 0.17./ 22:02:40 cloak of flash[1/1]: Unrandart +3 cloak {+Fly, EV+4}. Sorta merged with cloak of Starlight in 0.17. 22:02:46 heh 22:02:50 ah, ok then 22:03:04 !learn e cloak_of_flash[1 s/$/ (But mostly just removed) 22:03:04 cloak of flash[1/1]: Unrandart +3 cloak {+Fly, EV+4}. Sorta merged with cloak of Starlight in 0.17. (But mostly just removed) 22:03:09 i was going to say "how would passwall even work on monsters anyway" 22:03:11 i kinda liked having to choose between them 22:03:15 but then i realised i was rather confused 22:03:16 uh 22:03:18 on the rare times id find both 22:03:32 that doesn't seem very common... 22:03:35 <|amethyst> FR: beast with two backs 22:03:36 indeed not 22:03:59 its kinda weird how often i would find both in a game 22:04:11 golubria's 22:04:17 i don't believe unrand aux armor always needs to have good plusses 22:04:41 honestly I think new starlight is closer to flash than to old starlight 22:04:45 you're getting +4 EV and a couple nice resistances. it's OK that you don't get the +2 AC a normal cloak would have 22:05:39 I don't think deciding between two unrands in a single game is a very good reason for keeping both 22:05:56 im ok with just flat out removing cloak of the flash 22:06:09 more against giving starlight +2 AC 22:06:13 should have been named cloak of fours anyway 22:06:58 has another unrand cloak been added? 22:07:12 <_miek> cloak of brooch of shielding 22:07:29 Lasty_: I think that DE not actually having 30% more MP than Hu was a feature, not a bug 22:07:53 no but i'm totally gonna implement crown of eternal torment 22:07:53 new unrand generation is exciting enough to make plain unrand stuff like starlight a bit boring 22:08:04 randart fgen i mean 22:08:31 Lasty_: i.e. that DE shouldn't get 15 extra MP with maxed skills/level just for being DE 22:08:37 does crown of eternal torment constantly torment everything including yourself 22:08:41 elliptic: why not reduce their MP apt, then? 22:08:55 rtorm rn+++ -35% mhp is my design 22:09:16 35? 22:09:19 PleasingFungus: I'd rather change the meaning of the apt - there's no reason why "+3" needs to mean "+30%" 22:09:31 that's how much hp you lose with rn+++ 22:09:35 on the first time 22:09:39 heh 22:09:43 PleasingFungus: but apts could change too of course if that turns out to be better 22:09:47 elliptic: it's very odd when +3 hp means +30% hp 22:09:52 but +3 mp doesn't 22:10:09 can change the display... 22:10:12 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:10:22 -!- ertert has quit [Client Quit] 22:10:50 PleasingFungus: they are displayed in approximately one location inside the game 22:10:57 and it isn't really even inside the game 22:11:23 um 22:11:25 it's not? 22:11:36 not "in-character" 22:11:45 well I think the only place I've ever seen it is in character creation 22:11:56 <|amethyst> elliptic: ?% in general 22:12:06 ?% 22:12:08 ugh 22:12:11 I'm too slow... 22:12:16 I guess you could look it up that way in general but why would you do so once you have a fixed species 22:13:09 anyway my suggestion would be that current "+3" apt maybe should mean +15% MP or so 22:13:13 to toss some numbers out there 22:13:16 -!- eb has quit [] 22:14:22 they can be displayed however we want in ?% 22:14:43 i would guess most players dont know hp/mp/exp aptitudes exist 22:16:40 note that DE already will have more MP than Hu just because of skill apts 22:17:31 I think it's fairly extreme to tack +30% on top of that and makes the new simpler MP formula more of a balance shift than it needs to be 22:17:37 well i`ll be doggoned 22:17:38 I'm fine with that 22:17:54 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:58 also only a small change to fix the display 22:18:03 playing this game 6 years now and never heard of mp apts 22:18:12 I don't even know if any MP apt is necessarily a good thing 22:19:36 that's kind of what adding HP apt did, isn't it? since previously the bonus from fighting was the same for all species 22:20:08 (except for felids when those were first added because they didn't enrage me enough already) 22:20:38 i forget what the magnitude of the change in HP totals was like, though 22:21:36 I mean, different species always had different HP, just the formula changed (and indeed made species matter more for high-fighting characters) 22:22:01 yeah, same with MP 22:22:26 of course I totally ignore MP apt right now except when I'm saying Dg/VS are good, so whatever 22:22:48 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:23:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:25:44 also, what's the actual intended purpose of MP? HP I think is pretty obvious, but MP looks kind of like it's just supposed to limit spell casts per encounter, but then what is spell hunger for... 22:25:58 and are some races really supposed to be able to cast more spells at once than others or... 22:26:09 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:28:02 minmay: if HP is for keeping you alive, what is the point of AC/EV 22:28:31 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:05 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 22:29:23 wheals: i just really hate spell hunger ok 22:30:44 elliptic: maybe just have -10%/0/+10% MP species? 22:31:32 intervals of 5% sound awfully fine 22:32:06 is there an equivalent of the [code] tag on mantis? 22:33:05 minmay: I mean, 5% is still 2.5 if 50 MP is the base 22:33:05 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:33:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:43 but yeah that could be better (or just not having this apt) 22:34:40 Fedhas Growth plant placement is non-deterministic. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9595 by Reaver 22:34:40 Ru redirection to NO_TARGET 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9596 by Photonic 22:35:02 heh 22:35:31 * wheals calls down the wrath of NO GOD on PleasingFungus 22:35:35 elliptic: I don't think I would care very much about having 52.5 MP instead of 50 MP 22:35:45 or 21 MP instead of 20 22:35:52 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-29-march-2015 changelog post is up 22:36:02 feel free to point out embarrassing typos, etc 22:36:12 then again I don't think I would care very much about +/- 10% either 22:37:06 minmay: do you care very much about having a 0 apt in a skill vs a -1 apt? 22:37:16 that's more than 10%. 22:37:19 isn't it like 14% 22:37:29 elliptic: more than I care about that amount of MP definitely 22:37:31 PleasingFungus: The spacing looks...weird around "All races'" 22:37:40 reaverb: yeah it's fucked up and I don't know why 22:37:48 I assume I mangled the html somehow 22:37:55 PleasingFungus: about 19%, but it's a percentage of something completely different so comparing them is a bit strange 22:38:03 "skill points" 22:38:05 elliptic: so why did you do it!?!?!? 22:38:06 I mean, maybe I just undervalue MP...I don't care about ring of magical power after a while either 22:38:07 wow, blork in elf 22:38:15 PleasingFungus: I didn't compare the percentage numbers 22:38:18 PleasingFungus: you did that 22:38:41 PleasingFungus: the question is how fine is too fine for racial differentiation 22:38:42 minmay: do you care very much about having a 0 apt in a skill vs a -1 apt? 22:38:46 that sounds like a comparison to me 22:38:49 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:38:55 minmay: huh? 22:39:00 okay forget it 22:39:10 ^ 22:39:26 but if +15% MP is the highest apt, then the comparison would be having 0 apt in a skill vs a +5 apt 22:39:30 simmarine: I lied, blork only spawned in orc. *fannar* showed up in elf 22:39:39 updated my GDD -- added a pretty graph 22:39:46 <_miek> well the MP apts have no effect on your end-game max right? 22:39:48 which I care about enormously more than I would care about even double mp probably 22:39:49 _miek: now they do 22:39:54 <_miek> oh what? 22:40:06 <_miek> well just undo that :P 22:40:08 they did before too, but the stepdown made it a joke 22:40:37 or if you mean the 50 mp cap did that ever matter (the stepdown still makes it a joke imo) 22:41:00 <_miek> yeah I meant the 50 22:41:10 anyway does anyone else have a feeling about whether 10% or 5% increments are better for MP apts (or whether MP apts should exist) 22:41:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:42:13 I just think testing of the new formula will be better if people aren't as distracted by "let's all play DE for 15 extra MP because that sounds fun" 22:42:18 what if, instead of increasing/decreasing max mp, they decreased/increased spell hunger? 22:42:20 think about it. 22:42:33 don't actually think about it. 22:42:37 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:03 <|amethyst> remove MP aptitude, add spell slot aptitude 22:43:12 ! 22:44:03 I think removing MP apts would probably be a good move. If having a high MP apt is really central to a species they could just get intrinsic energetic (I'm thinking demigods and /maybe/ DE). 22:45:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:47:06 i think a good mp apt is noticable ime, but normal/bad mp apt i didnt really care as much about 22:47:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:47:45 <|amethyst> felid, vs, halfling, ho probably need it more than de, looking at the spc numbers. 22:48:06 <|amethyst> maybe not vs 22:48:06 vs probably most defining one? 22:48:15 huh 22:48:17 <|amethyst> vs is only +10% Mp, 0 spc 22:48:25 <|amethyst> ho is +0% Mp, -3 spc 22:48:42 PleasingFungus im a big fan of the weekly dev blog updates 22:48:49 <|amethyst> likewise ha 22:48:50 it's still the most defining one because most VS actually care about MP 22:48:56 <|amethyst> yeah, that is true 22:48:59 rast: :) 22:49:01 ty 22:49:08 how about: I go and change all positive MP apts to +1 and all negative MP apts to -1 22:49:20 -!- Kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:22 can you make VS 0 22:49:48 man, dck shot down by yet another goon 22:50:00 (also wow I had no idea that Fo had +1 MP apt) 22:50:07 are you going to post in the SA thread(s) about your glorious triumph 22:50:10 > Krakens no longer spew ink continuously. 22:50:13 but i liked that 22:50:25 PleasingFungus: Got the spacing to work. 22:50:36 reaverb: ah, what was the issue? 22:50:37 rast: rip 22:50:53 I have no idea. I just fiddled with it until Preview gave me something reasonable. 22:50:57 heh 22:51:20 Actually I think I've introduced a new, smaller issue in the spacing under "Gods:" 22:51:39 ah, the indentation there is wrong now 22:51:41 nice 22:53:01 minmay: I don't think my proposal is identical to what was implemented, since I'm suggesting (as per crate's post) weapons do have a different 'C' value 22:53:36 (Why is wordpress interface so bad D:) 22:53:42 is it that bad? 22:54:11 wow sandman quit forever again 22:54:47 yes 22:56:29 PleasingFungus: Well we can't troubleshoot a simple issue like "the indentation is wrong" :/ 22:56:50 o 22:57:04 I suspect that's an html/browser issue more than wordpress. idk tho 22:57:06 take heart: it has a better interface than gitorious 22:57:12 I don't know if I've messed up the drafts, the last autosaved draft should be deleted, I was just trying to get rid of it. 22:57:42 wheals: Well gitorious is not going to be with us much longer! 22:57:47 rip 22:57:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:00:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:01:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-289-ge471d9c: Don't remind online trunk players about the tournament. 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e471d9ca4709 23:01:20 yeah, I guess we need to get on that transition to github 23:02:40 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.3/20150319201009]] 23:03:51 <|amethyst> my suggestion was first to change everything's pull URL to the github one: bots, devs, etc 23:04:22 <|amethyst> then once that is done we pick a day to shut down the gitorious repo and have everyone start pushing to github 23:05:09 <|amethyst> but we also need to git more devs in the github group 23:05:16 <|amethyst> there are only 9 people there now 23:06:04 <|amethyst> s/git more/get more/ 23:06:22 I don't know how to find this group 23:07:18 <|amethyst> https://github.com/crawl-ref 23:07:27 <|amethyst> what's your github account? 23:07:52 elliptic 23:07:52 <|amethyst> elliptic? 23:08:09 elliptic! 23:08:10 <|amethyst> invitation sent 23:08:45 <|amethyst> your gravatar looks like some kind of 8-bit video game helmet, btw... or maybe a metroid 23:09:20 is github the official replacement then? 23:09:34 <|amethyst> unless someone comes up with an objection real soon 23:09:35 neat 23:10:15 You are now a member of crawl-ref! 23:10:18 <|amethyst> any other devs here not in the github crawl-ref group? 23:10:32 <|amethyst> reaverb: do you have a github account? 23:10:38 probably means I need to time the update the repo to point there at some point 23:11:04 |amethyst: I've been trying to sign up, I don't know if reaverb being already taken means I signed up and forgot or just somebody else took it. 23:11:40 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:11:44 <|amethyst> johnstein: yeah, you can already point to that repo---it's cloned from a webhook so there shouldn't be much delay 23:11:47 <|amethyst> oh 23:11:54 <|amethyst> we also need to move our contribs to github 23:12:35 <|amethyst> And do something one way or another with 23:12:37 <|amethyst> %git mr/32 23:12:37 Could not find commit mr/32 (git returned 128) 23:13:37 <|amethyst> %git merge-requests/32 23:13:37 07Edgar Carballo02 * 0.16-a0-3595-ga0f7eec: Translate gods text to spanish. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 157+ 78-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0f7eec39e2a 23:14:07 |amethyst: ok I will update it now then 23:14:14 |amethyst: Just signed up as reaverb-Crawl 23:14:55 <|amethyst> doy: we need to move our contribs (including sdl-android, which isn't a default contrib) and crawl-ancient to github 23:15:22 |amethyst: okay, should be easy enough 23:15:27 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 23:16:07 <|amethyst> reaverb: invited 23:16:10 Maybe our branches too? Even some of the few-year-old ones occasionally get reviewed for code or ideas. 23:16:15 <|amethyst> also invited nap.kin 23:16:26 <|amethyst> reaverb: they should already be there 23:16:33 <|amethyst> reaverb: doy's script pulls everything 23:16:38 <|amethyst> pulls/pushes 23:16:40 Ah. 23:16:42 Good 23:17:39 |amethyst: Hmm, I don't see the invitation on my account - what section is it in? Notification center? 23:17:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-289-ge471d9c (34) 23:17:53 |amethyst: github account names basically won't affect mailmap/cheibriados, right? 23:18:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: right, that all goes by email address on the commit 23:18:13 great 23:19:17 well I'm not sure what needs doing at this point, but I'm on github and in the crawl-ref group 23:19:51 <|amethyst> gammafunk: update your git config to pull from github and push to gitorious maybe? 23:20:12 I meant in terms of helping the transition, but I can do that as well :) 23:20:19 I guess that is helping! 23:20:36 <|amethyst> once doy moves the contribs over we need to update the contrib URLs 23:20:47 <|amethyst> probably for 0.16 and maybe even 0.15 as well 23:20:51 yeah 23:21:09 <+|amethyst> gammafunk: right, that all goes by email address on the commit <-- if you edit files in the github.com online editor, it will use your account's email address, is the secret catch 23:21:31 <|amethyst> I don't think we intend to "support" github.com 23:21:37 <|amethyst> I mean, editing there 23:21:45 shrug, i don't see why not 23:21:49 <|amethyst> If a contributor wants to do that, that's fine 23:21:54 <|amethyst> but probably devs will not be 23:21:59 true 23:22:04 |amethyst: Hmm, still haven't recieved that invite. (Once again, username is "reaverb-Crawl" because reaverb was taken) 23:22:07 chequers: oh good to know 23:22:14 but mine is the same anyhow 23:22:18 <|amethyst> reaverb: yeah, sent to reaverb-Crawl, hm 23:22:24 Oh, nevermind. 23:22:26 <|amethyst> reaverb: I'm not sure where it shows up in the ui 23:22:30 github sent the invite to my email for some reason. 23:22:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:56 |amethyst: not sure if you were joking, but elliptic's avatar is one of the auto-assigned ones from github, like mine 23:23:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I know 23:23:11 oh ok 23:23:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but reaverb's W is cooler than yours, sorry 23:23:46 maaaaaan 23:23:53 <|amethyst> grunt is 6:00 23:24:05 <|amethyst> and wheals has a uvula? 23:24:09 haha 23:26:19 I wonder what we should put in our Readme.md 23:26:20 <|amethyst> !tell mumra what's your username on github? 23:26:20 |amethyst: OK, I'll let mumra know. 23:26:29 moo? 23:26:40 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-288-gaf424a4 (34) 23:27:04 oh 23:27:57 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 23:27:59 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:23 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 23:30:05 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-290-g18e7317: Tweak MP apts towards 0. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=18e7317fab8c 23:30:09 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.1-11-g651b585 23:31:16 -!- kazimuth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:31:25 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: are you "ontoclasm" on github? 23:32:12 The rod of shadows can no longer summon friendly pan lords. 23:32:16 why are you ruining this game 23:32:29 pretty much spite 23:33:07 <|amethyst> !tell basil do you have a github account? 23:33:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let basil know. 23:38:19 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:39:03 is there any truth in the following these days? 23:39:05 ??regeneration 23:39:05 regeneration[1/8]: Increases the rate at which you regain HP per turn, at the expense of more nutrition. Different sources stack and vary in effectiveness. The default hunger rate for most races is 3 nutrition per turn. A ring (amulet in 0.16+) of regeneration takes that to 6 per turn. Regeneration doesn't work when you're {sick}; instead it makes Sickness disappear faster. 23:39:12 sorry. regen[4] 23:39:21 ??regeneration[4] 23:39:22 regeneration[4/8]: The regeneration mutations conflict with slow metabolism, but do not otherwise affect your nutrition. 23:39:52 Yes. 23:40:02 !source mutation.cc:116 23:40:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;hb=HEAD#l116 23:40:33 Going into further detail would require understanding how mutation conflicts work. 23:41:11 unfortunately 23:41:13 that's impossible 23:41:37 I would have made that joke, but I think somebody corrected me last time? Hmm. 23:41:53 I think just deleting that line would be relatively sensible. 23:42:13 which line? 23:42:18 119. 23:42:31 Since slow meta and regen conflicting doesn't make much sense. 23:42:37 MUT_FAST, MUT_SLOW...? 23:42:49 err, 116 23:43:09 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:43:14 Although I'm pretty sure those mutations don't occur naturally anymore, so maybe removing 119 would be good to :D 23:44:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:44:50 <|amethyst> okay 23:45:59 <|amethyst> I think I sent invites to every dev listed under https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/graphs/contributors who isn't explicitly retired and who has any information at all on their github profile page 23:46:18 |amethyst: Thanks :D 23:47:23 <|amethyst> also invited snark, even though he's retired, since he still pushes things from time to time :) 23:48:02 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:11 Beware The Snark 23:49:22 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 23:49:50 -!- Kittykai_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:50:25 One Day The Snark Will Remove Felids 23:50:29 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:50:55 -!- JoeltCo has quit [Quit: Quitting] 23:51:08 But outside, the world will end... 23:51:09 <|amethyst> 13 pending invitations 23:51:18 so is that github repo the new master? 23:51:22 i'll update my server now, or later? 23:51:34 I think I'm going to try to set up a group twitter thingy 23:51:40 so we can tweet like hell 23:51:44 about dcss 23:51:47 <|amethyst> you can go ahead and update your pull URLs now, it's already kept in sync 23:52:26 phew, glad you guys decided to go with github 23:52:26 <|amethyst> but all pushing should still go to gitorious until flag day 23:52:43 ??flag_day 23:52:43 I don't have a page labeled flag_day in my learndb. 23:52:54 !learn add flag_day The day we move from gitorious to github 23:52:55 flag day[1/1]: The day we move from gitorious to github 23:53:14 <|amethyst> not actually the holiday flag day 23:53:23 <|amethyst> gitorious is going down in May isn't it 23:53:32 Yeah May IIRC 23:53:48 <|amethyst> !learn edit flag_day[1] s@$@. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html@ 23:53:48 ??github 23:53:48 github[1/1]: Read-only clone of our repository on github: https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref 23:53:48 flag day[1/1]: The day we move from gitorious to github. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html 23:54:22 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:54:26 <|amethyst> !learn edit flag_day[1] s@we@our push urls@ 23:54:26 flag day[1/1]: The day our push urls move from gitorious to github. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html 23:54:46 maybe put the new url in that entry rather than a link to a webpage from the 60s 23:54:55 <|amethyst> heh 23:55:23 how about this 23:55:35 !learn edit flag_day[1] s/github/{github}/ 23:55:35 flag day[1/1]: The day our push urls move from gitorious to {github}. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html 23:55:40 ??gitorious 23:55:40 I don't have a page labeled gitorious in my learndb. 23:55:49 surprising 23:55:55 ?/gitorious 23:55:55 Matching terms (1): gitorious_admins; entries (16): cheipoke[1] | compile[1] | compile_crawl[1] | crate_crawl[2] | crawl-ancient[1] | crawl_alternative[1] | dolorous[2] | flag_day[1] | fsim[1] | git[1] | mcrawl_changelog[1] | monqyscrawl[4] | ncrawl[2] | patch[2] | ring_of_flight[1] | source[1] 23:56:07 ??git 23:56:08 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 23:56:27 !learn add gitorious see {git} 23:56:27 gitorious[1/1]: see {git} 23:56:30 ??gitorious 23:56:30 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 23:56:48 btw, why is the github repo called crawl-ref rather than just crawl? 23:56:53 !learn edit flag_day[1] s/gitorious/{gitorious}/ 23:56:53 flag day[1/1]: The day our push urls move from {gitorious} to {github}. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/F/flag-day.html 23:56:55 Historical reasons. 23:56:59 I know it used to be since it was only the subdir, but that's no longer true, right? 23:57:18 also, you can ask github to release the 'crawl' account name if you want it 23:57:39 well we'd probably want dcss 23:57:39 https://help.github.com/articles/name-squatting-policy/ 23:57:49 because http://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-ref/ mostly 23:57:50 since crawl is a name used by other projects 23:58:21 well, I reckon you should get dcss/dcss or crawl/crawl 23:58:29 <|amethyst> bh has "dungeoncrawl" 23:58:53 dcss would be nice since I registered (and am trying to give you guys) dcssgame.com 23:59:33 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:43 i did notice that a game named "crawl" was just recently released onto steam 23:59:43 <|amethyst> how easy is it to rename an existing organisation? I mean, beyond the repo URL change