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SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:33:12 -!- rockit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:33:23 -!- rockit_ is now known as rockit 02:34:04 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:34:04 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:35:02 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:35:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:35:56 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:10 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-226-ge260c71 (34) 02:37:46 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:38:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:47:29 @??curse toe 02:47:29 curse toe (08z) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 14 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 25/1 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4769 | Sp: s.torment [06!sil], sum.mushrooms [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 02:47:33 @??wandering mushroom 02:47:33 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 32-55 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 311 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 02:49:26 @??mummy guardian 02:49:26 unknown monster: "mummy guardian" 02:49:34 @??guardian mummy 02:49:34 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 39-52 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 328 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 02:49:47 which mummy has stupid amounts of hp 02:49:52 @??greater mummy 02:49:52 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 187-209 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6243 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.emper.. 02:50:02 ... I'm going to guess that one 02:50:34 oh shoot I was in the wrong room. sorry for the spam 02:54:46 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 03:03:34 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:27 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:01 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:23:17 what is even the purpose of shining eyes 03:24:07 they are very boring in that you can't do anything against them except hope you can block their LOS somehow and hope to kill them before they get to malmutate you 03:24:28 and the only purpose they seem to serve is "lol u get mutat'd in slime Xd" 03:25:28 and it's not "teaching kids a lesson in LOS management" because that's already handled by liches flinging non-bolt conjurations at you 03:26:32 if they didn't exist the only things I'd care about in slime are TRJ and acid blobs 03:31:36 is that a bad thing 03:31:46 since those are already very, very dangerous things 03:41:30 would it make slime easier in terms of being able to do it without worry about mutations? 03:41:39 is that a relevant worry? 03:42:05 you'd just wear rcorr and dive and not worry about amulet management as much (which sounds like a good thing) 03:42:20 (the lack of amulet management) 03:48:26 I pretty much don't worry about rmut in slime 03:49:13 it's mostly easy to block line of fire or kill them pretty quickly and getting mutated a few times isn't a big deal many times 03:50:15 point out that azure jellies are also a dangerous slime monster 03:52:44 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:37 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:10:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10:37 -!- Spatzist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:16:59 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:30 I am trying to find the add/remove problem in win xp 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9587 by xfilesera 04:31:33 unless your char is so crap you can't handle a lone acid blob without rcorr you don't need it for slime 04:31:48 just quaff !res for trj and you're good 04:35:15 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:35:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:42 http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/BLOAX/BLOAX.txt in case anyone wonders what a character that benefits from hydra form and depends on it to some degree looks like 04:41:49 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:48:34 -!- klopfdreh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:22 -!- klopfdreh has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:28 (rip) 04:56:56 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:03:44 !gamesby . t 05:03:44 Bloax (t) has played 151 games, between 2015-03-13 20:00:13 and 2015-03-28 09:51:12, won 11 (7.3%), high score 28255753, total score 97722259, total turns 1149594, play-time/day 3:51:36, total time 2d+13:45:40. 05:18:29 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26:48 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:26 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:32 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:34 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:36:58 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 05:40:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:42:54 -!- rockit has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.3/20150320092323]] 05:44:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 05:45:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:55:08 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:55:09 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:56:37 !time 05:56:37 Time: Mar 28, 2015, 10:56:37 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 day, 9 hours, 3 minutes and 22 seconds. 05:57:04 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:53 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:24 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 06:10:00 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:13:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23:01 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:33:19 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:33:27 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:45:56 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:51:56 -!- AussieGuy has quit [Client Quit] 06:55:26 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 06:59:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:24:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:33:21 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:05 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42:21 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53:43 -!- Walt`` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:46 -!- frenoss has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:54:48 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:14 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:59:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:37 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:01:28 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:18 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:27 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:08 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:10:54 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 08:11:10 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:16 -!- giann_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:14:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:16:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:21:56 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:29:25 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:34:29 !seen dpeg 08:34:29 I last saw dpeg at Fri Mar 13 01:49:41 2015 UTC (2w 1d 11h 44m 48s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'. 08:37:36 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:28 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:34 -!- Big-guy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:41:10 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:24 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:48:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:52 -!- giann_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:06:38 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09:19 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:32 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:15:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:21:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:05 oh dammit neil 09:27:19 ProzacElf: what? 09:27:30 ran into one of your ghosts 09:27:44 and fuck yo couch while i'm at it =p 09:27:53 neil ghosts are never dangerous 09:28:17 lol, that's not the poitn 09:28:19 point 09:28:27 i wanted to bitch at neil 09:32:34 <|amethyst> which ghost? 09:33:02 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:25 |amethyst: once a ghost of yours did nothing but cast butterflies at me 09:36:44 <|amethyst> bh: heh 09:36:54 <|amethyst> I was about to ask "was it a summoner?" 09:44:13 shouldn't Brothers in Arms really be Brother in Arms? 09:44:52 <|amethyst> I don't know, but some god should have an ability "Money For Nothing" 09:45:10 i guess it is consistent with other summoning spell names 09:45:28 or no, it isn't 09:45:29 <|amethyst> Unfortunately, K is taken so we can't make a god named Knopfler 09:45:39 Summon Small Mammal, Summon Ice Beast 09:45:40 mauris: I think the idea is that you and the trog summon are brothers in arms 09:46:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:20 <|amethyst> "brothers in arms" is kind of a fixed phrase in English 09:47:10 <|amethyst> it's something like 20 times more common than the singular according to Google, though the video game and the Dire Straits album probably contribute to that a lot 09:48:19 <|amethyst> I guess ngram viewer only shows about 2 or 3 times as many occurrences, and fairly even in the 19th century 09:49:16 <|amethyst> https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=brother+in+arms%2Cbrothers+in+arms&year_start=1750&year_end=2014&corpus=15 09:51:38 <|amethyst> (explaining the "brothers in arms" part of that graph would be a good assignment for a high school history class) 09:52:03 <|amethyst> ("Identify the events associated with the peaks in this graph.") 09:58:15 |amethyst: for any man who sheds his blood with me today is my brother and be he ne'er so vile 09:58:52 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:43 ??crazy yiuf 10:00:44 crazy yiuf[1/4]: This unique has a quarterstaff of chaos with decent plusses, and lives in a cottage in early dungeon. He's not tainted by a shred of sanity -- unless confused! Always has a cloak. Random colour. Like an ogre, he can deal up to 35 or so damage in one shot. Or paralyse or banish you. 10:00:58 Crazy Yiuf (02g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 20 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 9 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 41 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:00:58 %??crazy yiuf 10:01:33 Saint Roka (12o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 35 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 5021 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:01:33 %??saint roka 10:02:38 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:34 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:28 There's something that seems like an omission to me. There's the ring of Shaolin and ring of Robustness; both of which are just normal ring types with higher than normal bonuses. Why isn't there one for slaying? +8 Slay too high for a fixed? 10:07:57 ??gauntlets of war 10:07:57 gauntlets of war[1/1]: An unrandart: +3 gloves with Slay+5 10:08:41 no ring because of the gloves? kk 10:09:12 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:33 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:33 <|amethyst> The real question is, why no ring of +8 SH 10:12:37 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:00 ??large shield 10:13:00 large shield[1/1]: Like a shield, but bigger. SH 13, EV -5. Diminishing returns from SH and huge skill investment to remove penalties means that unless one's race has crap defenses alongside reduced penalty removal levels for shields (i.e. trolls), one really shouldn't bother to aim for these. 10:16:37 -!- ly^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:55 -!- grisha5 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:05 +8 SH in a ring actually would be kind of interesting...be one of...4? sources without shield skill? Cond Shield, Bone Plates and TSO's Divine Shield. 10:18:36 mostly thought of the the slaying thing playing as Op, which wouldn't be helped by the gloves 10:21:07 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:22:35 |amethyst: the real question is why no race with intrinsic shields. exoelfs .17 make it happen 10:23:58 <|amethyst> twelwe: Ds have intrinsic SH, you just have to cull the genetically inferior 10:24:14 some ds have that 10:24:23 <|amethyst> right, and the rest aren't worthy 10:24:23 oh clever 10:24:34 does the tourney end at the end of today or the end of tomorrow? 10:24:39 <|amethyst> !time 10:24:39 Time: Mar 28, 2015, 03:24:39 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 1 day, 4 hours, 35 minutes and 20 seconds. 10:24:50 <|amethyst> neither 10:24:50 * bh curses the freeze 10:24:53 thats almost a whole day from now 10:25:41 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:27:08 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:33:45 * geekosaur looks at full recompile from yesterday's patches and questions freeze 10:35:26 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:42 <|amethyst> it's supposed to be a freeze on things players care about anyway 10:37:33 <|amethyst> bh: you know you can push to a branch, right? :) 10:37:52 -!- memories has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:46:13 Is there the 'technology' to have an enemy cast spells only in a certain order? like Summ. Butterflies, Blink Far, Forceful Dismissal? 10:47:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:39 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:56:40 <|amethyst> not currently, but it could be done 10:57:58 <|amethyst> the closest we have is orb spider charging (when they cast IOOD, if they don't have an "IOOD charged" property, they just set the property and produce a message instead) 10:58:35 That particular combo would make a really annoying, yet amusing unique. Forceful with a lot of things around would be quite powerful. 10:58:54 <|amethyst> you could have a series of properties and have the spell choice code (maybe _ms_waste_of_time) check what it is set to and reject a spell if it's in the wrong "phase" 10:59:07 <|amethyst> err, one property, with a series of values 10:59:28 {foo} = 0, {foo} =1, etc. lol 11:06:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:12:19 wtf 11:13:49 some bugs happened in my game 11:13:51 http://pastebin.com/FhXeVsRj 11:13:55 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:14:21 im following ash if that matters 11:14:25 <|amethyst> hm 11:14:45 <|amethyst> I think there are several similar reports on mantis 11:14:54 <|amethyst> do a save backup 11:18:03 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:32 |amethyst: already pushed to [rotten] 11:27:58 orb spiders are annoying because you can't walk into the ood 11:28:01 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:28:23 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:30:46 Orb Spiders aren't hard to counter; Butterflies, Meph, Blink. Lot's of low level spells that work against them. 11:31:45 Bcadren: right, but if they're one square away and drop an OOD, you can't voluntarily eat the OOD and advance toward them 11:33:31 0.17 plan https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=213511#p213511 11:34:07 that's be half-damage, yes? 11:35:48 I live on a farm. The sheep damage is COMPLETELY unrealistic. 11:36:03 minmay: most game content is good 11:36:15 yeah, imo their damage should be doubled. minimum. 11:36:33 also give them massive AC which you can shear with slashing weapons 11:37:30 huh, player characters don't wear pants 11:37:34 I never thought about it until now 11:38:05 also holy tl;dr batman 11:38:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:39:22 but...these are the *Revised* ideas 11:39:23 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39:42 gammafunk: i'm looking into tiled! http://i.imgur.com/2C8fAMm.png 11:40:18 i guess i'd distribute a tiled map file with all of this stuff set up for crawl, and a tool to convert to(/from?) .des files 11:40:24 mauris: if you succeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E4dYyQA0bo 11:41:12 why is it raining on arrakis 11:42:04 i need a tileset, though :< 11:42:14 those aren't too fun to piece together 11:42:28 yeah 11:42:49 mauris: well is it difficult to stitch together the floor/wall tilesheets? 11:43:01 or do they have to be the individual images 11:43:05 I guess they would need to be 11:43:13 <|amethyst> couldn't you use the ones already stitched together by rltiles/Makefile 11:43:14 <|amethyst> ? 11:43:29 a sheet is fine, but mostly i want a subset 11:43:30 <|amethyst> I guess parsing the generated C++ code in a different language would be painful 11:43:54 well we can probably help you if you get to something workable 11:44:10 have a target in rltiles for tiled maybe 11:44:15 i want to limit vault makers' options here, really 11:44:29 because otherwise people will want to put snake walls and purple floors in their vaults and stuff 11:44:42 i think it's OK to have certain features be "advanced-only" 11:44:53 I....I...can't believe that poorly designed vaults might come of this! 11:45:05 But yeah a reasonable subset is a pretty good idea :) 11:46:05 purple floors sound like a dithpicable idea 11:46:18 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:53 |amethyst - http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/rast-crawl-0.16-150328-1246.tar.bz2 11:47:06 I bet you like lisp 11:47:26 can crawl save backups be used to cheat the item-ID subgame? 11:47:28 <|amethyst> rast: could you post that in a comment to 7983... that looks like the oldest? 11:47:31 <|amethyst> mention diff 11:47:35 <|amethyst> rast: you can't download it 11:47:38 <|amethyst> only devs :) 11:47:42 ah ok 11:49:23 is there some place that lists what x c . etc. all look like in tiles? 11:49:39 i mean, it's mostly obvious, but i have no idea which of these stone_*.png tiles is the default 11:54:25 i'll watch some webtiles to find out 11:56:19 <|amethyst> mauris: that's mostly determined by a combination of code in tilepick.cc (mapping dungeon features etc to TILE_* enums), and data in rltiles/dc-*.txt (mapping tile enums to images) 11:56:56 <|amethyst> but for walls and floors in particular, there's more going on because of things like LFLOORTILE 11:57:28 <|amethyst> and changing the colour selects an alternative tile (for some tiles) 12:01:57 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 12:02:46 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:48 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16.1-5-gaa23807 12:04:54 -!- serq has quit [Client Quit] 12:09:01 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:41 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25:24 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:27:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:30 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-226-ge260c71 (34) 12:29:55 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:34:40 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:22 gammafunk: http://a.pomf.se/kyigwe.gif <3 12:35:46 dang 12:35:47 this would be very neat (but first ofc i will get the dang thing working) 12:36:21 mauris: what os does tiled support? 12:36:29 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:46 nice, looks like win/osx/linux 12:36:47 windows, osx, linux 12:36:56 mauris: is that a WISYWYG vault editor? 12:37:00 bh: you hear that?! windows, osx, linux!!!! 12:37:08 gammafunk: screw windows 12:37:12 !!! 12:37:13 that it is 12:37:48 or, well, it's just Tiled. which is a general-purpose tiled map editor! but i'm going to make .des files out of this, just you wait 12:37:53 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:27 ugh, though, what do i write the conversion thing in to make that work everywhere as well 12:38:42 conversion thing? 12:38:52 oh you mean like a script to go from tiled format to des? 12:38:53 from .tmx to .des 12:39:00 well python would be pretty ideal 12:39:14 but obviously any major language would work 12:39:31 or are you asking more how to write said thing 12:39:49 more worried about windows, i guess, which comes with pretty much no scripting languages installed 12:39:58 oh that's true 12:39:59 hrm 12:40:01 so i'd have to compile a binary from python, or so. which i think is possible 12:40:01 does msys... 12:40:26 right, py2exe is a thing 12:40:26 msys has perl 12:40:31 ah 12:41:57 yeah during the py to an executable seems reasonable enough, I'd imagine you'd just ship it with the app and it'd run behind the scenes anyhow? 12:41:59 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:42:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:43:03 i'm not so sure about hacking Tiled; it looks complicated -- right now i just use the binary from their website 12:43:41 well, when you say hacking Tiled, do you mean hacking it to do the conversion, or..? 12:44:03 so the vault making workflow for users would be "install tiled yourself, and change this example map to suit your needs, then run a python script on it" 12:44:55 releasing just a template tiled map file (.tmx) with the layers and properties and stuff set up for crawl 12:44:59 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:45:07 (i think the tilesets would be part of it as well) 12:45:52 well, if you get it to a point that's usable, tiled is in C++, which happens to be a language that some here are familiar with :) 12:46:16 but that aside, what you describe seems pretty reasonable 12:47:05 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:39 i suppose! i'm not even sure what i'd want to change, though; probably just add the .des import/export to the "File" menu and then delete a billion things from the UI that don't apply to crawl 12:51:19 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:43 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:32 -!- Guest49820 is now known as SwissStopwatch 13:08:31 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:08:38 -!- merphle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:11:30 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:41 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:19:03 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19:45 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 13:21:54 John (L22 SpEn) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (Elf:3) 13:29:37 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:23 can a vault have both PLACE: and DEPTH: set? 13:31:42 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34:03 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:37:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:20 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:41:52 mauris: yeah 13:41:54 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:19 huh! does that ever happen? 13:43:31 I believe it does. Place will force a vault to occurr on a level, whereas DEPTH just allows it for inclusion on the level in question 13:43:50 well, Place will do what I said if you give it a specific level 13:44:02 like D:3, to use the example from the docs 13:44:56 -!- merphle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:13 -!- Galewind_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47:19 it's kind of a hard thing to grep for, but I recall one vault using it (although it may not have actually needed to use it) 13:48:40 -!- Rambozo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:07 elliptic: People are projecting emotions onto qw (who got stuck in a closet): https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15631 13:50:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:30 I guess bad luck from some turns with a ring of teleport 13:51:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:29 -!- merphle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:56 gammafunk: hm, I don't know what the situation was but randomly teleporting into a closet is a bug afaik, at least that early 13:54:12 yeah, I guess a vault with a close? 13:54:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:19 oh, you could see a vault dump, no? 13:54:21 I guess maybe not if flying would have let qw escape 13:54:48 but if it was really enclosed by walls with no stairs or hatches then that shouldn't be possible ideally 13:55:00 wow...that turn log 13:55:02 (possibly it had stairs/hatches, qw doesn't take those in all cases when it gets stuck) 13:55:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:27 wad_lake_hut, nicolae_gozag_cash_rules_everything_around_me, enter_ossuary_4, lemuel_statue_altar, uniq_eustachio 13:55:43 !vault lemuel_statue_altar 13:55:43 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/altar.des;hb=HEAD#l176 13:55:43 !vault wad_lake_hut 13:55:44 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des;hb=HEAD#l893 13:56:03 oh that one 13:56:50 looks like probably enclosed by deep water, not by walls? 13:57:05 yeah looks like that was the vault 13:57:50 yeah, maybe water cleanup somehow? 13:57:55 that makes water shallow though 13:58:03 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:58:20 elliptic: would qw not wack through a plant? 13:58:47 a plant could have placed so that it blocked the path through shallow water, since said paths are only one tile in some places from what I can 13:58:50 see 13:59:56 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:00 yeah, a plant would have gotten qw stuck 14:00:15 though I don't actually see where plants would have been placed to do this 14:00:27 from the .des 14:00:43 !lg qw turn=12834 14:00:44 1. qw the Cleaver (L9 DDHu of Makhleb), quit the game on D:7 (wad_lake_hut) on 2015-03-28 11:37:08, with 2522 points after 12834 turns and 1:01:08. 14:00:47 !lg qw turn=12834 -tv 14:00:48 1. qw, XL9 DDHu, T:12834 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:01:23 -!- twofortypee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:02:27 !lg qw ktype=quit 14:02:28 10. qw the Cleaver (L9 DDHu of Makhleb), quit the game on D:7 (wad_lake_hut) on 2015-03-28 11:37:08, with 2522 points after 12834 turns and 1:01:08. 14:02:33 !lg qw ktype=quit -ttyrec 14:02:36 10. qw, XL9 DDHu, T:12834: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/qw/2015-03-28.10:35:59.ttyrec.bz2 14:02:54 !lg qw turn=12834 -tv:7900 14:02:55 1. qw, XL9 DDHu, T:12834 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:05:07 okay probably not the vault's fault (or even the teleport's fault) 14:05:19 since it looks like it just randomly wandered into the vault 14:05:37 yeah, but for some reason it thought it couldn't autoexplore out? 14:05:43 what can happen with qw is that the level itself can have two connected components 14:05:49 one of which has no > 14:06:03 gammafunk: it had already autoexplored everything 14:06:05 and found no > 14:06:17 I see, and it doesn't go up and try to take other downstairs? 14:06:29 yeah, I haven't bothered to code that yet 14:06:50 that makes sense then. qw isn't great at topology :) 14:06:59 even though it isn't that hard, because this is actually a pretty rare situation 14:07:07 !lg qw t quit 14:07:08 5. qw the Cleaver (L9 DDHu of Makhleb), quit the game on D:7 (wad_lake_hut) on 2015-03-28 11:37:08, with 2522 points after 12834 turns and 1:01:08. 14:07:11 !lg qw t quit s=place 14:07:11 5 games for qw (t quit): 2x Orc:1, D:7, D:3, D:15 14:07:59 orc is a similar situation except much more annoying to fix 14:08:04 I'll post an explanation to the qw fan club, so that they're not heartbroken 14:15:34 -!- SpaceCob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:40 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:19:56 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:24:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:26:31 -!- merphle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:34:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:52 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:41:49 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:41:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:42:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:44:47 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:01:45 -!- merphle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:54 -!- merphle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:49 -!- dfdf has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:54 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-227-gf5308cc: Stop lying to poor innocent bots and tell them that starcursed masses have a ranged attack (qw). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5308cc30484 15:17:21 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.1-6-g605765d: Stop lying to poor innocent bots and tell them that starcursed masses have a ranged attack (qw). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=605765d04a0c 15:17:23 the fact that we need a function for that makes me extremely sad 15:19:11 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:15 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:04 Grunt: hrm, there's not a flag you could add to the spell definition thingy? 15:22:22 or do those use one of those monster abilities that weren't transitioned 15:22:44 @??moth_of_wrath 15:22:44 moth of wrath (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 9 | HP: 39-62 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 499 | Sp: berserk other [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: insect. 15:22:58 @??eye_of_draining 15:22:58 eye of draining (15G) | Spd: 5 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 3/1 | see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 124 | Sp: draining gaze [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 15:23:15 @??starcursed_mass 15:23:15 starcursed mass (02X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 134-170 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(100), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1330 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 15:23:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:23:31 seems those don't use the new slot system 15:24:03 yeah, they use a special monster ability thingy 15:26:51 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:46 does gozag turn all permafood into gold too? or am I just having some really bad luck? 15:30:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:34:19 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:24 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:46 -!- imantor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:35:50 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:28 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:10 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:37:15 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:39:22 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:39:40 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:11 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:55 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:20 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:38 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:47 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:50 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:31 -!- erocl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:10 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:05 The build has errored. (master - f5308cc #2071 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56242875 16:01:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:02:51 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:03:13 Core dump while targeting rod of iron 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9588 by chikinn 16:04:53 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:05:43 -!- Nerem has quit [] 16:06:29 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:06:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:28 -!- merphle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:45 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:38 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:52 -!- merphle has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22:39 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:28 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:25:21 gammafunk: 16:25:24 !lm . 16:25:24 5289. [2015-03-28 21:21:15] ontoclasm the Spry (L25 OpSu of The Shining One) reached level 5 of the Realm of Zot on turn 107623. (Zot:5) 16:25:31 !!! 16:25:32 gammafunk: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:25:41 !lm ontoclasm -game 16:25:41 ontoclasm, XL25 OpSu, T:107623 (milestone) has no matching game 16:25:42 !lm lootfeel t alive s=name 16:25:45 ??? 16:25:45 64 milestones for lootfeel (t alive): 57x ontoclasm, 7x gammafunk 16:25:47 ... 16:25:49 ;;; 16:25:52 ::: 16:25:53 /// 16:25:55 \\\ 16:26:00 ¤¤¤ 16:26:07 $$$ 16:28:41 how would one do a !lg query for games past a certain date, again? 16:29:17 Bloax, something like start>20150301 16:29:24 thanks 16:29:32 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:33 The build has errored. (stone_soup-0.16 - 605765d #2072 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56242919 16:29:33 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:29:39 !lg . start>20150326 / won 16:29:40 5/23 games for Bloax (start>20150326): N=5/23 (21.74%) 16:30:22 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- ketsa has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- mauris has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- heteroy_ has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- Ipsum has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- quackv4 has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- yokelz has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:22 -!- Obscurity has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:23 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:23 -!- FatShack has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:25 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:25 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:25 -!- Medar has quit [*.net *.split] 16:30:29 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:44 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:49 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:54 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:10 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:19 I wonder how many crazy people have won over three games in 24 hours. 16:32:24 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:36 -!- FatShack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:30 -!- yokelz has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:05 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:39:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:40 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:43:21 gammafunk: i worked on the very basics of that tiled thing a bit: http://i.imgur.com/stRDPhr.png 16:43:42 v.cool 16:43:55 I have concerns about the design of that vault,though 16:44:08 and the orig http://i.imgur.com/KvmTeLu.png 16:44:18 haha 16:45:37 mauris: looks really cool. Sorry I don't have time to help directly, but feel free to ask questions in channel if you have any 16:45:57 If you get to something usable, we can even help incorporate it into the codebase 16:46:12 okay! might work on it a bit more soon, taking a short break 16:47:49 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:47:56 -!- Holy_Rage_ is now known as Holy_Rage 16:50:09 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53:15 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:54:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 16:55:22 -!- myeffort has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:04:39 -!- myeffort has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:05:00 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:07 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:09:24 Shift+click / Shift+tab leads to going closer to the enemy instead of throwing a missile 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9589 by Hollow 17:09:59 why does chei hate haste from chaos anyway 17:10:10 you get mollified immediately after killing the monster 17:14:50 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:17:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:30 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:02 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:44 -!- Alarkh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:52 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:58 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:36:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:36:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:38:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:39:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:34 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:46:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:50:36 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:59:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:01:09 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 18:04:32 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:07:05 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:07:50 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:53 !time 18:07:53 Time: Mar 28, 2015, 11:07:53 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 20 hours, 52 minutes and 6 seconds. 18:10:29 Slime shaped shapeshifters warn of jiyva pennance 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9590 by Xentronium 18:10:59 -!- KiT_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:20 -!- myeffort has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:23:49 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:34 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-227-gf5308cc (34) 18:29:39 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 18:30:55 are statues in water etc. a thing? 18:31:28 i guess specifically i need to know how tiles "layers" this kind of thing 18:31:35 in ascii you only see whatever feature is on top 18:32:36 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:34:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:35:56 -!- elliptic has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:08 mauris: enum.h is your guide 18:40:55 DNGN_GRANITE_STATUE is a dungeon_feature_type, which means it can't appear in water 18:41:41 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:01 i see 18:43:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:43:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:43:28 i suppose that is somewhat limiting! no CLEAR_ROCK_WALL over water tiles either 18:44:41 or trees in water (but then plants in water are possible otoh) 18:51:53 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:08 -!- serq has quit [Quit: und weg...] 18:56:59 mauris: on a tile there can be: a feature, possibly a monster (including the player), possibly an item, possibly a cloud 18:57:15 mauris: solid features like statues don't allow monsters, items, or clouds to exist there 18:57:24 i see 18:57:34 then i did something way too fancy :< 18:58:14 like, 40% of this code i've written is all about multiple layers of features. whoops 18:58:31 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:36 mauris: water/lava are features, but are like floor in that they allow monsters, items, clouds 18:58:55 and walls are solid features, of course. closed doors are solid, open doors are like floor 18:59:02 crawl does terrain wrong 18:59:05 plants are monsters 18:59:12 so plants in shallow water are ok 18:59:21 yes, plants and fungi are monsters, but trees are solid features 18:59:22 modern RLs, like Brogue, use a terrain stack 18:59:43 i see 18:59:58 hm, not sure what happens if a plant somehow ends up in deep water 19:00:10 it might die 19:00:24 yeah, something kills the monster I think 19:00:38 The plant falls into the water! The plant falls apart. 19:00:43 rip 19:01:27 fedhas rain won't place on a plant 19:01:46 sure it will, it's how i drowned the plant 19:01:46 so... not sure how you'd get a plant in deep water 19:02:19 mauris: KMONS, KITEM, and KFEAT allow setting each of those using the same glyph, so that I can map them all to e.g. A and one instance of A places all three 19:02:31 You are standing in the rain! The plant falls into the water!!! The plant falls apart! 19:03:14 There is no kelp in crawl. 19:03:16 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:04:20 gammafunk: yet 19:04:27 i guess @ (vault entry markers) are special too 19:04:44 can you even have two vault entry markers, one on shallow water, one on floor 19:05:58 yes you can, the type of feature the @ is on doesn't matter, so long as it's not a solid feature 19:06:19 kelp isn't a plant anyway 19:06:21 I guess most vault don't put @ on lava or deep water 19:07:28 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 19:08:25 gammafunk: i mean more syntactically, i guess 19:08:36 if you do KFEAT: @ = ... it'll affect both entries 19:12:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:16:28 mauris: well I agree, but I guess I don't understand your distinction between e.g. floor and water. Maybe you don't understand that a feature is *either* floor or water, not both 19:17:14 It can be turned from water into floor or vice versa in-game, but when the level is placed it's one or the other; water is not a layer over the floor feature but the feature itself 19:17:52 oh, maybe i'm confused; is there always only one @ per vault? 19:17:58 no 19:18:01 So at any time a feature is one of: floor, water, deep water, lava, rock wall, etc. 19:18:18 there can be multiple @, yeah 19:18:32 and @ are also implicit in some instances, but that's probably not relevant to you 19:19:03 what i'm asking about is this: https://bpaste.net/show/8fcbc1552a33 19:19:22 for any other glyph (item, monster, whatever) you'd use KFEAT whatever = shallow_water or something 19:19:38 but if you replace the @ with some other glyph it won't act like @ anymore 19:20:25 (i mean, sure, this is a pretty big edge case, but it's more about how i should implement @ in this) 19:21:25 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 19:21:38 yeah actually I'm not sure if you can do that 19:22:02 split one of the @s off into a subvault 19:22:08 (disclaimer: 99.99% chance this won't work) 19:22:32 yeah, since it's not something people generally would want to do, I guess the problem has never come up 19:22:35 (in fact, it definitely won't work) 19:22:47 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:23:06 !lg qw ktype=quit s=br 19:23:06 10 games for qw (ktype=quit): 5x D, 3x Orc, Depths, Swamp 19:23:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:27:34 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:29:41 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:30:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:34:10 -!- ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:35:17 do you have to be in LoS of a malign gateway for it to timeout? 19:35:31 I left V:5 because one was next to the steps and kept paralyzing me 19:35:41 did the elf3 vault, zot 1-4 and half of 5 19:35:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:47 came back to V:5 and it's still here 19:35:50 johnstein: no, I think it can act totally out of los 19:36:00 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:36:04 so it's a permanent thing 19:36:21 how do you mean permanent? 19:36:23 I can't even remember how it showed up in the first place 19:36:27 oh 19:36:31 it doesn't have a purple dot like it's summoned 19:36:40 and it's been thousands of turns since I left it the first time 19:36:44 johnstein: that sounds like a bug 19:36:45 yeah that's generally not supposed to happen 19:36:52 probably it just doesn't timeout while you are offlevel 19:36:52 I was expecting it to be gone when I got back 19:36:54 s/generally // 19:37:04 since it's really making this difficult 19:37:15 it doesnt timeout yes 19:37:15 try reading a scroll of teleport and then going down to V:5 19:37:24 well ime the portal is gone and the tentacle is left behind if you leave and come back 19:37:27 I should have thought of that before going back down 19:37:34 since a warden blocked off the stairs 19:37:39 haha 19:37:48 since I thought it was going to be clear 19:38:06 should I do a save backup? I have no clue how to reproduce these steps or anything 19:38:13 you didn't think through the infinite tentacle + warden scenario johnstein what kind of player are you?!?! 19:38:33 one day I will be a Good Player 19:39:14 johnstein: probably not necessary to backup the save, I think this just happens whenever you leave a level with an active malign gateway 19:39:35 also I'm pretty sure the tentacle will disappear if you spend time on the level 19:39:54 ok. ty for the info. time to not die 19:41:12 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:43:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:47:51 -!- Kaidessa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:52:57 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:44 -!- Bacchus_DCSS has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:55:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:50 i guess this happens when my bugfix MO is "tell |amethyst about it 19:59:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-228-g415ba16: Refactor monster abjuration 10(9 hours ago, 4 files, 65+ 114-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=415ba1657a76 19:59:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d: Update Qazlal's wrath description 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ae695d1732e 19:59:31 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e: Update Qazlal's wrath description 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c6721efb76a 20:02:33 -!- Lamil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:52 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:03:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:08:41 -!- Alarkh_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:11:11 where was MPA when I needed to be gifted abjure the spell! where was he then 20:11:37 gammafunk: your draft looks good but player praise should NEVER be taken with a grain of salt 20:11:48 wheals: that was dpeg's wording! 20:12:05 he is Truly Humble 20:12:13 feh! 20:12:13 wheals: but again feel free to edit 20:12:33 -!- Lamil has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:13:07 go on and edit it...and then break dear old grandpa dpeg's heart when you tell him you've edited his sage words of advice 20:13:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:18 our dearly departed leader 20:13:26 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 20:13:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:42 "What if Explosions actually Exploded?" 20:15:47 this should be a good thread 20:16:13 is it by basil 20:16:25 if explosions exploded wouldn't that cause everything to explode as the explosion explosion [...] explodions exploded 20:16:31 right first letter 20:16:49 i didn't really even have to look, the name and also goofy capitalisation gives it away too easily 20:16:57 name of the thread 20:21:16 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:21:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22:55 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:20 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:28:09 sigh 20:29:24 oh oops 20:29:26 -!- Jonatan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:26 I deleted it 20:30:22 you monster 20:30:23 Bcadren: sorry I deleted your post. I meant to move to cyc, but the interface got confused. Feel free to recreate in cyc; for gdd thought experiments aren't appropriate, but specific and complete proposals are 20:30:37 well I got confused, not the interface 20:30:51 maybe I can undelete it 20:31:33 the world will never know its loss 20:32:05 this trash forum that minmay always goes on about...it doesn't exist 20:32:19 !seen twelwe 20:32:20 I last saw twelwe at Sat Mar 28 15:24:53 2015 UTC (10h 7m 27s ago) saying 'thats almost a whole day from now' on ##crawl-dev. 20:32:38 wort 20:33:34 twelwe do i order pizza from here http://www.pizza.be/da-capa 20:35:38 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:48 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:06 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:38:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:40 The build has errored. (master - 5ae695d #2073 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56262848 20:38:40 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:43:01 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:00 wheals: haha. Your white imp hits Natasha. Natasha dies! _Natasha screams in fury as she dies! _Natasha, Servant of Life and Death comes into view. You throw a javelin. The javelin closely misses Natasha. The puff of frost hits Natasha. Natasha dies! You feel Natasha's spirit has finally been put to rest. 20:45:22 that imp got a natasha double-kill 20:45:39 rip 20:50:26 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:35 huh 20:51:37 f - 387 gold the +4 quarterstaff of Eternal Vigilance {crush, *Rage +Rage MR+ 20:51:46 is that just coincidence? 20:53:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:54:22 quarterstaff of Trog? 20:54:29 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:54:36 -!- solgg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:55:46 missing another MR+ and Regen+ 20:56:24 fr: *Brother 21:00:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:08:10 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:08:17 *Twstr imo 21:08:53 -!- Big-guy has quit [] 21:08:55 -!- Archevanescent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:21 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:12:06 -!- smartrobot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:12:39 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:03 *Twstr? 21:13:16 *Ihardlyknowr 21:13:22 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:23 The build has errored. (stone_soup-0.16 - 2c6721e #2074 : Chris Campbell): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/56262869 21:13:23 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:16:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:21:36 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 21:27:09 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:15 gammafunk: so where do my posts get moved? I get "you're not allowed to view this forum" 21:28:28 gammafunk: sounds like youve been duped and arent actually enough of a mod to view it 21:28:37 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:28:48 nice try mr. reverse psychology! 21:29:04 I guess the posts might exist in the db somehow 21:29:31 or maybe that's a generic (and inaccurate) message re. deleted posts or something 21:29:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:33:17 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:35:02 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e 21:35:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:24 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:42:31 -!- Darkfyre has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:47:20 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:47:30 looking for that explosions topic gets me "The requested topic does not exist." 21:51:51 Core dump when starting a new game 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9591 by chikinn 21:52:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:24 PleasingFungus: are there just random dcss threads on SA, or is there some kind of permanent forum thing? 21:59:47 I'd kind of assumed it was like 4chan, with people just creating a new thread, but maybe there's one that doesn't expire 22:00:03 there are currently three dcss threads on sa that I know of, though only one is very active 22:00:21 there's generally one main thread for each version of the games, starting back in... 0.4, I think? 22:00:29 and then other subforums sometimes have their own threads 22:01:07 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:01:38 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3706035 the current main SA thread is here, though non-members will get an annoying video clip instead 22:02:02 gammafunk: so what do you get from https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewforum.php?f=21 22:02:50 minmay: oh, it sends me to Whispers, which is the mod-only forum 22:02:55 maybe someone moved your threads there 22:03:06 but it doesn't take me to your thread, just the forum itself 22:03:17 oh but that's because you linked me to the forum 22:03:30 Yeah, that's the moderator forum, and sometimes threads are moved there 22:03:44 gammafunk: the topic is https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?t=14521 i forget what it was 22:03:45 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:56 minmay: oh, I found good stuff here about yeah, and it's *very* interesting 22:05:02 ...and you can't read any of it, pity.... 22:05:11 s/yeah/you/ 22:06:18 well actually if it's old enough I did read it 22:06:55 was the one i linked the 8chan thread or something? i always wondered if the guy saw my post before the topic was moved 22:07:38 yeah it's in whispers, that topic you linked 22:08:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:08:58 i bet he went back to 8chan and was like "bad news guys, the feminist conspiracy has the tavern mod team too" 22:10:38 in the current 4chan dcss thread, I see there's a running narrative about dck calmly suggesting concerns about VS changes in -dev yet "SA goons" apparently walked all over him and drove him away 22:10:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:10:48 uh 22:10:50 shame we couldn't have more insightful *chan discussion like this 22:10:58 uhh 22:10:58 i cant see that thread 22:11:05 PleasingFungus: you know what you did!!! 22:11:11 I don't, actually 22:12:44 so before crawl, i was involved with the aleph one community (open source version of the marathon fps) for a while 22:12:54 and it is really hilarious to me how similar the player bases are 22:13:00 doy: haha 22:13:05 ~gamers~ 22:13:15 PleasingFungus: You were caught red-handed: http://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/98382190/roguelike-general#p98608245 22:13:33 is that safe to click? 22:13:34 like down to fairly specific details too 22:13:37 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 22:13:42 I don't think there are any active developers who are goons. 22:13:56 well, ontoclasm, I guess? he's been pretty quiet lately. 22:14:04 yeah that "goons run crawl thing" I think just comes from...I guess SA having that dcss thread? 22:14:18 like, if you want some entertainment at some point, http://pfhorums.com/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=419a254bb2e42ae628e5b2ae9f59b4a6 is pretty uniformly great 22:14:26 in the same sense that the tavern is "great" 22:14:27 oh, I see, they were mad about the vs bite damage thing. 22:14:28 tbh it's probably just because you ran the thread and you are/were very active 22:14:29 rip them. 22:15:02 doy: I totally believe you, and I'm sure there's even overlap among RL and FPS communities 22:16:01 "The only comment I've received from somebody who tried VS was that they were still "quite powerful". 22:16:02 People always bitch about nerfs. It is sort of annoying." 22:16:22 mm 22:16:52 ??quite powerful[$ 22:16:52 quite powerful[11/11]: No, most of the people who insist Chei is horrible are good players. Because for those people, Chei's power curve is completely backward, he's weak early game and makes you quite powerful further on. 22:17:20 r??quite powerful 22:17:21 quite_powerful[7/11]: <[Hanged_Man]> throwing skill is quite powerful in 0.10 with the javelin gifting 22:18:11 ??goodplayer 22:18:11 goodplayer ~ goodplayers[1/1]: 10 or more wins. 22:18:38 someone added that after i asked if i was a good player once 22:19:08 said how many wins do you have? and i said 12, so thats the standard. 22:20:19 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:10 original VS was the most broken thing ever 22:22:35 !source choose_game 22:22:35 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc;hb=HEAD#l531 22:22:36 yeah, I recall dck expression concern with the last VS bit nerf 22:22:45 which was way after all the main balance tweaks 22:23:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:11 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:28:29 huh 22:28:31 PleasingFungus: i've looked at 4chan's roguelike thread like 3 times over several years and apparently the sole and solitary thought they have, as a group, is resentment over mountain dwarves 22:28:35 hahhaa 22:28:37 good 22:28:43 also, I'm looking at the SA 0.3 thread 22:29:02 it's been three goddamn years and it is still mentioned like every ten posts 22:30:11 apparently dis astranagant (who might be the_glow, I forget?) came up with brothers in arms 22:30:28 !lg the_glow 22:30:28 527. theglow the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_long_road) on 2014-12-03 19:32:08, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:01. 22:30:32 !lg the_glow 1 22:30:33 1/527. theglow the Magician (L3 HEWz), slain by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:2 on 2010-07-26 01:17:44, with 127 points after 1500 turns and 0:05:46. 22:30:39 hm 22:30:47 so probably not, since this thread is from 07 22:31:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33:32 whoa, there was actual dev discussion on c-r-d back then 22:33:51 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:07 I think that comes and goes, there was a bunch of it before you joined, for instance 22:34:20 dis astranagant is himself on SA 22:34:26 or herself as the case may be 22:34:38 hm, was throw icicle called ice bolt before it was called fling icicle? 22:34:39 but who is....wormsofcan....???!!! 22:36:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:38 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:30 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:03 ??0.16_plan 22:40:03 0.16 plan[1/2]: 0.16 release will happen at least a few days before the {tournament}. See remaining release steps at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans&#release_planning 22:40:12 ??0.16_plan[2 22:40:12 0.16 plan[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans 22:41:06 for 0.17, it would be nice if someone had ideas for how to test non-online versions of the game regularly 22:41:11 we don't have anyone on the team who plays offline, and it really shows 22:41:19 since our offline versions are apparently broken as hell 22:42:31 paging bcadren 22:42:49 spot on the devteam open for you, all you need to do is update your client 22:43:15 it's not nice to troll... 22:43:27 i think he has me on ignore 22:43:31 I play offline usually 22:44:05 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:17 o 22:44:26 in that case, become a dev 22:45:16 we made a bit of troubleshooting progress with that sdl2 mouse issue a couple days back 22:45:28 in that we know what kind of behaviour is happening, and |amethyst and wheals had some ideas to try to fix it 22:45:42 -!- tabstorm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:54 that's cool and good 22:45:55 Yeah, it'd be nice to have active Tiles as well as WebTiles people with lots of knowledge in said domains, but what can you do 22:45:58 ya 22:46:04 idk maybe someone has ideas 22:46:11 we can workshop it 22:46:11 I mean. I know a lot about moon bases 22:46:16 do you 22:46:27 hm, was throw icicle called ice bolt before it was called fling icicle? 22:46:28 yes 22:46:38 ahh 22:46:47 was reading people being confused by this (in 0.3 thread) 22:46:56 y'all devs wanted to rename ice bolt, but couldnt decide what, so you came up with all these things like fling icicle and hurl testicle before you decided on throw icicle 22:47:08 bring back hurl testicle 22:47:09 imo 22:47:15 PleasingFungus: orc hurlers 22:47:22 don't make me puke!!! 22:47:24 iron shot was also called bolt of iron 22:47:28 ya I knew that one 22:47:36 I do like the name "iron shot" for some reason 22:47:37 everything's a bolt, especially the things that aren't 22:47:40 much more than throw icicle 22:47:42 gammafunk: it makes me think of shotput 22:47:50 yeah but that's cool right 22:48:36 like, a wizard would say to herself, after inventing this spell "...that's like a shot of iron...and iron shot!" 22:48:53 -!- Sovek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:57 but would never say "...I really threw that icicle..hey that's a good name!" 22:49:07 s/and/an/ 22:49:10 hm. if your god hates a spell, but you don't have enough spell levels for it, should it show up as COL_USELESS or COL_FORBIDDEN? 22:49:16 in the memorization UI 22:49:28 fr: change alistair's intoxication to a bolt targeted spell, call it vodka shot 22:49:32 er, maybe book UI 22:49:35 sorry 22:49:37 !time 22:49:37 Time: Mar 29, 2015, 03:49:37 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament ends in 16 hours, 10 minutes and 22 seconds. 22:49:48 hm, what does it do in the memorization UI, actually 22:49:51 I guess it depends more on what those colours are 22:49:52 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1434 22:50:04 like I'd expect darkgrey for not being able to memorize, I guess 22:50:07 useless 22:50:09 which is darkgrey, ya 22:50:13 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:16 so might as well be consistent 22:50:26 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:50:30 but that's a good point, what colour for useless as it means a different thing 22:52:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 39.0a1/20150320030211]] 23:02:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:55 ??dev plan 23:02:55 I don't have a page labeled dev_plan in my learndb. 23:03:07 ??.17 plan 23:03:07 I don't have a page labeled .17_plan in my learndb. 23:03:07 ??.16 plan 23:03:07 .16 plan ~ 0.16 plan[1/2]: 0.16 release will happen at least a few days before the {tournament}. See remaining release steps at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans&#release_planning 23:03:58 oh god .6 planning 23:04:00 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:testing_and_polish_needed_for_0.6_release 23:04:20 were mummies actually good back then 23:04:35 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:48 !learn add 0.17_plan https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15519#p213511 23:06:48 0.17 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15519#p213511 23:07:29 that post owns 23:10:09 You all thanked it, but did you actually read all of it... 23:10:32 !learn mv 0.17_plan minmay[1] 23:10:32 that sounds like an incursion mod if anything 23:10:32 Syntax: !learn commands/learn/move.pl SRC[x] DST[y] or SRC[x] DST or SRC DST 23:10:39 !learn mv 0.17_plan[1] minmay[1] 23:10:40 0.17_plan[1] -> minmay[1/20]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15519#p213511 23:11:42 oh god I'm reading the really old SA threads; I forgot Cr originally had Haste alongside Berserker Rage 23:11:44 what a post 23:11:47 !learn mv minmay[1] bcadren[1] 23:11:48 minmay[1] -> bcadren[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15519#p213511 23:12:00 can't believe that entry was empty 23:12:01 gammafunk, I read a lot of it but then I got distracted by all the wild types of swords I was learning about 23:13:01 im going in guys 23:14:38 If settelments added you will be welcome in a town of your race. 23:14:53 n1k: resident ##crawl sword expert here, direct all questions to me 23:15:14 this guy really dislikes kobolds 23:15:48 "Bring back the item damage removed in last version(s). Why are you guys tring to ruin the game?" 23:15:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:01 doesnt dazzling spray.............. already spray 23:16:16 maybe he wants dazzling glaciate 23:16:39 i see this guy is for circlelos 23:16:43 i agree with this guy on how hard crawl is to mod 23:17:01 n1k: even so i had no idea what a shotel was, and after seeing the wikipedia picture of it im not convinced that its not some sort of prank on me 23:17:34 minmay, I don't think shotel is real 23:17:42 n1k: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Shotel_%28Sabre%29.jpg 23:18:03 I live on a farm. The sheep damage is COMPLETELY unrealistic. 23:18:28 oh wait which was the one which I looked up after playing dark souls and turned out not to be something anyone actually used 23:18:54 simmarine: I can't tell whether that means it is too low or too high 23:19:04 haha me neither. probably too low???? 23:19:28 i mean, i havent been hit by sheep in real life so i dont know! 23:19:42 sheep can easily kill people irl 23:19:50 also lots of animals 23:20:07 nice he wants to add cooking 23:20:23 However, eating it for over a week 23:20:23 without other nutrients requires the eater to make a daily 23:20:23 Fortitude saving throw (DC 15 + 1 for each additional day) 23:20:23 or be sickened. 23:20:43 he wants to add a spell "Venomous Bolt" 23:21:04 someone should tell him about modifying angband 23:21:10 n1k: also a spell "Ice Storm" 23:21:17 good 23:21:18 this is pretty much stuff you see or would see in an angband variant 23:21:25 yeah 23:21:58 Whetstone: Honing a blade with a whetstone 23:21:58 requires about 15 minutes of work and grants 23:21:59 the weapon a +1 bonus on your damage roll 23:21:59 the first time you hit with it. 23:23:00 this is a lot 23:23:39 yes he is serious about his blades 23:23:48 -!- namad7 has quit [] 23:24:54 Ball Lightning: Flying lightning spheres deal 3d6 23:24:54 electricity damage each. 23:24:58 yeah "requires about 15 minutes of work and grants.." just confused me to no end 23:25:10 as in 15 minutes realtime or... 23:25:33 15 arbitrary minutes of time 23:25:42 Symbol of Healing: Triggered rune heals living creatures. 23:25:52 brimstone friend 23:26:10 Strangling Hair: Your hair animates and grapples. 23:26:12 yes 23:26:50 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-229-g5ae695d (34) 23:27:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 23:27:46 well a large part of that list are spells which he says are just directly copied from pathfinder (i think thats some tabletop d&d type thing?) 23:28:02 and it looked like stuff like the whetstone idea were also copy/pasted from something 23:28:33 entertaining list though, but i have a feeling crawl devs wont borrow a lot from it 23:28:33 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.1-7-g2c6721e 23:33:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:41:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:43 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 23:41:54 Oh, hmm, this is really hilarious 23:42:05 !source spl-transloc.cc:991 23:42:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-transloc.cc;hb=HEAD#l991 23:42:48 There's suppose to be a 1/3rd chance of apport failing on the orb...but it returns SPRET_SUCCESS so apport works anyway. 23:43:17 (This just killed my character, the message said the Orb didn't move but I thought it did and went for it.) 23:43:33 I like how it accounts for the possibility of you dragging mennas to zot:5 23:43:51 reaverb: ... 23:43:53 !lg reaverb 23:43:55 290. reaverb the Wrestler (L26 TrMo of Fedhas), blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2015-03-29 04:38:17, with 614014 points after 85206 turns and 8:49:57. 23:44:01 Yes that just killed me. 23:44:07 (Also me being really terrible) 23:44:14 !tv reaverb 23:44:15 290. reaverb, XL26 TrMo, T:85206 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 23:45:03 uh, did you start a tele after picking up the orb or something 23:45:15 ...Have you thought? 23:45:25 Yes. If I was planning my actions better I wouldn't have done that. 23:45:54 gammafunk: I've been trying to experiment with something to stop me from acting dumb. Like the autofight stop option but more general. 23:45:56 reaverb: looks like you were orb ninjaing 23:46:03 gammafunk: I was trying to. 23:46:10 hrm, let me watch your ttyrec 23:46:15 !lg reaverb -ttyrec 23:46:19 290. reaverb, XL26 TrMo, T:85206: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/ttyrec/reaverb/ 2015-03-25.01:28:03.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-25.04:21:28.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-25.18:05:33.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-25.23:24:35.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-25.23:32:42.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-25.23:33:46.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-26.05:47:47.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-26.05:59:19.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-26.21:50:28.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-26.21:51:55.ttyrec.bz2 2015-03-... 23:46:38 hrm 23:46:43 !lm reaverb -ttyrec 23:46:54 1537. reaverb, XL26 TrMo, T:85182 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/ttyrec/reaverb/2015-03-29.04:33:21.ttyrec 23:46:58 better 23:47:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:14 is this hugeterm or something 23:48:22 webtiles. 23:48:26 weird 23:48:54 I think I may have accessed my account by console once or twice? That could probably mess up the term. 23:49:35 pretty sure the apportation code is working as intended 23:49:39 (My main problem was just not thinking that through, I made several obvious mistakes) 23:49:53 reaverb: your biggest problem here is no !resist 23:50:09 doy: The comment says "1/3rd chance apport doesn't work on the Orb" when that's not True. 23:50:16 reaverb: it is though 23:50:26 then you blink into the orb chamber yet you had apport? 23:50:35 the code that actually moves the item is below that 23:50:41 and so the early return skips it 23:50:49 (also i'm testing it in wizmode right now) 23:50:51 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 23:51:19 doy: Oh, well it just /appeared/ to aport the Orb in my game. 23:51:31 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:51:56 gammafunk: Yeah, !resist and !agility should have been up. 23:52:00 reaverb: you're character is very strong, but basically you want to avoid any situation that leaves you surrounded like that when getting the orb; 23:52:28 gammafunk: I thought the "becomes a dead weight" message meant that my Apport spellpower was too low to do anything against the Orb. 23:52:45 Obviously false assumption, my main problem there was just rushing instead of trying to think about my moves. 23:52:50 that lich is a potential problem but probably throwin up some summons to block or just killing it and keeping a favorable position is more important 23:52:59 See: "Did not have the right buffs" 23:53:00 reaverb: yeah I'v def. killed characters that way 23:53:13 what tends to happen is the "I just want to ascend this char" mindset 23:53:31 and it makes you rush through moves where you have to slow down to think 23:53:53 Hence this "Have you thought?" thing! (Yes it failed here but it's saved me before) 23:54:37 !log reaverb 23:54:38 290. reaverb, XL26 TrMo, T:85206: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/reaverb/morgue-reaverb-20150329-043817.txt 23:54:51 reaverb: that's maybe a bit too psychological for me, but recently I've added some lua to dynamically enable and disable force_more for squishy chars so they avoid keyboard mashing 23:55:15 Yeah. 23:55:25 mostly things like force_more on orc priest and centaur when those are relevant early game, disabling past when I have certain max hp 23:55:34 Of course the real problem is "Crawl creates situations where you want to keyboard mash >_> <_<" 23:55:44 yeah it has so many trivial fights 23:55:53 but solving that is really designing a new game 23:56:07 Oh also my thing is I forgot the Orb delayed teleports. 23:56:18 I /knew/ that last Tele took weirdly long. 23:56:21 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:56:26 I was under the impression it delayed them regardless of when you read the scroll 23:57:01 as in it would delay them after picking up the orb even if you read beforehand 23:57:15 gammafunk: Yeah, but I /might/ have been more cautious if I had remembered that detail :D 23:57:27 I should go see what the heck it actually does 23:57:28 gammafunk: that is not true 23:57:31 ah 23:57:44 possibly it should be true though 23:57:51 elliptic: so, if I read ?tele before picking up the orb, I get the usual teleport delay? 23:57:58 yeah, for that one teleport 23:58:02 huh 23:58:10 it can of course land you in the vault somewhere where you have to teleport again 23:58:11 and I assume ctele works the same? 23:58:15 no 23:58:22 ...oh well 23:58:25 Anyway my best guess for what happened in the Orb chamber there was I somehow cast apportation twice without noticing it (???) 23:58:32 gammafunk: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15641 23:58:42 reaverb: yeah, that's what it looks like 23:58:48 also what's cTele :P 23:59:09 your first time got the "dead weight" message and the second time got the "yoink" message, but you didn't pick it up after the second one 23:59:11 elliptic: but it's still real! 23:59:15 so i'm guessing you just didn't notice it 23:59:50 gammafunk: but yeah, cTele increases the delay on current teleport delays 23:59:55 as well as future ones 23:59:56 doy: Yeah, I don't know how I managed to /cast/ it twice without noticing it. I guess since it's aa. 23:59:58 ok, well good to know I guess 23:59:59 but picking up the orb does not