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01:46:54 er, I should have included "not counting jiyva" 01:47:26 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:51:34 slime has a much more predictable monster set and it is much easier to find safe places to rest there 01:52:07 it's also much less rewarding though 01:52:36 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-220-gb31992e 01:54:32 so this whole "show exclusions on the main screen" thing is good and all, but it's kind of bad that hitting a monster makes floor tiles the same colour by default 01:54:41 in console 01:55:10 -!- Rambozo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:55:24 yes blood spatters are pretty bad 02:07:37 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:09:39 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:49 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:13:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:17:10 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:09 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:27:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:31:30 -!- Lamil has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:33:18 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:43 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:41:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:52 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:51:04 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:51:17 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:51:49 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:55:14 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 02:58:32 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16.1-4-g8e1b745 (34) 02:59:58 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:04:53 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:05:30 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Victeradon 03:06:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:13 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:08:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:08:30 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:31 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:11:42 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:03 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:15:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21:50 -!- Obscurity has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:22:04 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:22:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:24:52 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:25:49 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:50 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 03:34:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:52:43 -!- ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53:06 -!- joy199 is now known as joy1999 04:02:49 -!- bitcoinbastard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:08:19 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:39 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:19:27 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:56:12 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:56:13 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:10:42 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:15:43 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:17:44 where's the guide on how to use %?? and arena in general? 05:26:08 -!- napcat is now known as Napcat 05:33:30 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 05:34:36 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:34:51 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:07 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:52 -!- Zappman321 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:41:34 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48:34 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:49:20 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:52:02 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:59:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:26 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:48 -!- Napcat has quit [Client Quit] 06:08:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:10:39 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:15:09 -!- Galewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16:28 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:00 !lg hilariousdeathartist depths4 06:17:01 No keyword 'depths4' 06:17:03 !lg hilariousdeathartist depths 06:17:04 22. HilariousDeathArtist the Spry (L15 MiGl of Ru), blasted by an ice dragon (blast of cold) on Depths:1 on 2015-03-27 03:27:40, with 75953 points after 27303 turns and 1:08:44. 06:17:14 !lg hilariousdeathartist depths -log 06:17:15 22. HilariousDeathArtist, XL15 MiGl, T:27303: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/morgue-HilariousDeathArtist-20150327-032740.txt 06:30:12 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:34:20 -!- Victeradon is now known as Amnesthesia 06:41:10 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:43:22 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 06:45:48 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 06:49:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:49:53 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:00:30 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:43 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:34 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:08:59 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:13:32 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:55 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:46 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:17 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:40:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:47:22 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:47:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:48:59 -!- yokelz has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:58 -!- zxc2321 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:04 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:39 <|amethyst> hm 07:57:46 <|amethyst> just thought of something for 0.16.2 07:58:14 <|amethyst> our default settings/init.txt has a link to options_guide.txt on gitorious 07:58:22 <|amethyst> but that link won't last for the lifetime of 0.16 07:58:48 <|amethyst> could change it now to the s-z.org git; or wait until we move to github and change it then 07:58:56 <|amethyst> s/github/& or whatever/ 08:00:18 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:01:10 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02:03 <|amethyst> chequers: praise from reddit: "I like how they feature 6 random feeds, like on Twitch or something. I watched one for a little while and probably will again, it's a neat feature to have. Very well implemented." 08:02:24 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:03:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:04:35 <|amethyst> also, re init.txt, maybe the stable branch's init.txt should link to the options_guide.txt from the appropriate branch, not trunk 08:04:49 <|amethyst> but that would be a pain to update each time unless we do some rewriting at install time 08:05:05 <|amethyst> s/each time/each release/ 08:19:19 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:20:02 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:20:38 maybe we should just try to bundle them together? 08:20:54 <|amethyst> ? 08:21:10 <|amethyst> you mean, include the full contents of options_guide.txt in the default init.txt ? 08:21:29 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:09 <|amethyst> we do distribute docs/ so maybe we could tell the user to look there 08:24:18 <|amethyst> I think the main reason for having a link is webtiles 08:25:48 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:05 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:25 ah, i didn't realise we actually distributed it 08:32:57 @??fire_dragon 08:32:57 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 77-105 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1068 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 08:34:03 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:13 <|amethyst> wheals: I think we even install docs/develop/ 08:34:37 -!- quackv4 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:35:57 hm 08:36:12 thinking way back to when i first played a few games offline, that sounds right 08:36:30 !lm lootfeel t alive s=name 08:36:31 63 milestones for lootfeel (t alive): 39x ontoclasm, 23x dpeg, gammafunk 08:36:38 <|amethyst> oh right 08:36:48 <|amethyst> we'd have to distribute it with crawl, because of ?& 08:37:28 <|amethyst> oh, which reminds me 08:37:32 maybe it should also in the ? screen then :P) 08:37:40 <|amethyst> it would be nice if ? on the main menu displayed help 08:37:44 s/also/also be 08:37:52 <|amethyst> :) 08:37:57 |amethyst: what if i want to name my character ??? 08:38:02 <|amethyst> it is mentioned there 08:38:06 <|amethyst> in the left column 08:38:21 <|amethyst> wheals: Alpha-numerics, spaces, dashes, periods and underscores only, please. 08:38:37 !lm * name~~- 08:38:37 No milestones for * (name~~-). 08:38:50 <|amethyst> servers are pickier than crawl itself :) 08:39:08 |amethyst: is that em-dashes _and_ en-dashes? or are even hyphens allowed? :P 08:39:29 <|amethyst> yes, I would change it to "hyphen" 08:40:20 i guess one might ask what should be visible from ? on the main screen 08:40:28 might make sense to hide macro guide, for example 08:40:45 <|amethyst> wheals: I'd just go to the top level of the docs 08:40:59 <|amethyst> same as navigating to "Instructions" 08:42:03 <|amethyst> it's just that navigating there with arrow keys is a bit of a pain, particularly when you're me and have hundreds of saves 08:43:34 savefarmer 08:43:50 <|amethyst> I wonder what percentage of them are wizmode 08:43:52 <|amethyst> probably > 90% 08:44:48 isnt' there a wizmode magic bit 08:45:16 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:45:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, and I wrote a script to check 08:45:29 <|amethyst> ??wizmode check 08:45:30 wizmode check[1/2]: sh + perl to check whether a save is wizmode: wizard() { crawl -edit-save "" get chr - | perl -e 'undef $/; exit !(unpack "CCl>cs>/a*s>/a*cccs>/a*cs>/a*c", <>)[-1]'; } 08:46:41 beautiful 08:47:56 <|amethyst> ho 08:47:59 <|amethyst> err, hm 08:48:11 <|amethyst> only 79% 08:48:30 <|amethyst> err 08:48:36 <|amethyst> sorry, 87% 08:48:53 <|amethyst> 380 wizmode saves out of 439 total 08:49:24 <|amethyst> and one of those 59 is corrupted so might have been wizmode after all? 08:49:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:55:34 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:55:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:56:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:09 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:00:22 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:01:16 -!- absolutego has left ##crawl-dev 09:04:39 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 09:07:01 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:09:53 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:10:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:54 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:49 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:19:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:21:13 dumb question, but is random2 just 'get a number between 0 and the target number) so random2(10) is a number between 0 and 10? 09:21:53 ??random2 09:21:53 random2[1/1]: 1dN - 1 09:22:06 so random2(5) can return 0-4 09:22:42 ah ok. thanks Lasty 09:24:04 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:26:00 np! 09:28:06 so another dumb question. in ability.cc, lines 1235 to 1245 are 11 god abilities. 09:28:09 !source ability.cc 09:28:09 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ability.cc;hb=HEAD 09:28:45 the last one, case ABIL_QAZLAL_UPHEAVAL: has some actual code. whereas the other 10 don't. just case ABIL_THING: 09:29:13 <|amethyst> johnstein: switch/case has fall-through 09:29:14 do those 11 share the same code? ie. the first 10 also use the ABIL_QAZLAL_UPHEAVAL? 09:29:17 <|amethyst> johnstein: yeah 09:29:26 <|amethyst> johnstein: also, if something doesn't have a break; at the end 09:29:33 <|amethyst> johnstein: that will also fall through to the next case 09:29:38 <|amethyst> johnstein: even if it already had code 09:29:41 oh 09:29:44 <|amethyst> johnstein: this is a frequent source of bugs 09:30:19 <|amethyst> (but also lets you avoid duplicating code sometimes) 09:30:36 switch-case fallthroughs make for fabulous bugs 09:30:55 |amethyst: thanks. I'm not as familiar with fall-through. looks like a good shortcut, but the case where you can fall through if it also has code sounds gnarly 09:31:03 <|amethyst> If I were inventing the language from scratch, I would make "case" include an implicit break; beforehand, and make "also" do what "case" does now 09:31:09 <|amethyst> so you'd have 09:31:23 <|amethyst> case ABIL_ZIN_VITALIZATION: 09:31:26 |amethyst: that sounds like a huge improvement 09:31:27 <|amethyst> also ABIL_TSO_DIVINE_SHIELD: 09:31:28 <|amethyst> ... 09:31:40 and it'd be less verbose, too 09:31:59 |amethyst: wanna commit that to C++ for us? :D 09:32:15 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:46 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:05 <|amethyst> hmmm 09:34:06 <|amethyst> actually 09:34:27 <|amethyst> it looks it's possible to have (unexecuted) code before the first case 09:34:34 case / also / anyways / whatever / like / totally / forsure / asif / ohnoyoudidnt 09:34:56 <|amethyst> so you could almost do that now with #define, except you'd need something like 'alsodefault:' instead of 'also default:' 09:44:05 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:48:25 <|amethyst> but of course if you go that direction you end up with the original Bourne shell 09:49:52 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:47 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:27 Apparently unprovoked game crash -- maybe after weird keypress? 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9584 by chikinn 09:51:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:52:31 I was going to ask if there's a provoked game crash, but &ctrl-c does exist 09:52:56 <|amethyst> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/sh/args.c 09:53:08 <|amethyst> if you want to see an example of the Bourne shell code 09:53:10 <|amethyst> this is C 09:54:59 <|amethyst> oh, here's the original version (I was having problems finding it a minute ago): http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/sh/args.c 09:55:01 ...are those just macros? 09:55:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes 09:55:07 wow 09:55:45 ANDF 09:55:51 <|amethyst> also 09:55:52 <|amethyst> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/sh/blok.c 09:55:58 <|amethyst> includes its own memory allocator 09:57:12 <|amethyst> also part of the memory allocator: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/sh/stak.c 09:59:13 <|amethyst> ah, here it is 09:59:20 <|amethyst> the macros for Bourne C 09:59:22 <|amethyst> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/sh/mac.h 10:00:28 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:31 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:01:11 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:01:27 [27 14:34] <|amethyst> it looks it's possible to have (unexecuted) code before the first case 10:01:31 cf. Duff's Device 10:02:18 which hides the loop preamble there and then uses switch/case to jump into the middle of the unrolling 10:02:37 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, I knew about Duff's device, but even that doesn't have dead code before the first case 10:03:02 geekosaur: ^ is for you 10:03:06 wrong g* :) and the loop is indeed before the first case 10:03:06 <|amethyst> err 10:03:27 <|amethyst> irssi autofight strikes again! 10:04:22 it's admittedly not completely dead because the unrolled loop body can reach it 10:04:29 (indeed that's the point) 10:04:31 <|amethyst> duff's original has: 10:04:32 <|amethyst> switch(count%8){ 10:04:33 <|amethyst> case 0: do{ *to = *from++; 10:04:37 <|amethyst> err 10:04:43 <|amethyst> that c/p-ed bad 10:04:46 |amethyst gestures at gammafunk. gammafunk deflects the Crystal Spear! The Crystal Spear hits geekosaur!!! Ouch! That really hurt! geekosaur dies... 10:04:48 hm, I recalled it being outside 10:05:04 outside the case. oh well 10:05:16 yeh, I have that in my archives somewhere 10:05:19 <|amethyst> but yeah, it seems reasonable that it would allow code before the first case 10:05:31 <|amethyst> I just had never tried it 10:06:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:24 C is a reification of the law of unintended consequences :) 10:07:37 <|amethyst> C of that era is PDP-11 macro assembler :P 10:07:54 I was about to say something about C being a glorified assembler macro 10:08:08 !learn edit lasty_to_do[-1 s/$/hex reform;/ 10:08:09 lasty to do[10/10]: 0.17: do something about spectral weapon; consider monsters worth removing; add new channeling monsters; mp scaling; do something about raise skeleton and animate dead; do something about gargoyle being "non-living" and make mummies actually immune to poison;Sac Love and Summon Forest, Recall, Simulacrum, and most summon spells;hex reform; 10:08:38 <|amethyst> nah, modern C is "optimise my code until it doesn't work any more because I invoked undefined behaviour" 10:09:28 well for some it's "look I figured out this macro assembler, please don't make me think about whatever classes are supposed to be" 10:09:35 <|amethyst> :) 10:10:09 <|amethyst> a macro assembler isn't going to detect that this variable, since it's such and such enum, can't possibly have a negative value, and optimise out a if (var > 0) 10:10:13 <|amethyst> C is happy to do so 10:10:51 <|amethyst> at least a macro assembler would have the decency to do what you tell it to do! 10:11:17 <|amethyst> s/> 0/>= 0/ 10:11:23 well how do you describe C without emphasizing unintended consequences (since many languages have that) or inaccurately describing it as a macro assembler 10:11:28 I guess just procedural language 10:11:33 but that doesn't sound punchy 10:14:58 Crawl invisibility needs some changes, I think. 1) being invisible makes it much harder (impossible?) to wake up monsters unless they see invis, but invisibility doesn't actually make you silent; 2) invisibility makes it easy to kill more than half of the monsters in a 3-rune game in a single hit without significant risk; 3) invisibility is available from wands, rings, cloaks, potions, artefacts, and the spell. 10:15:21 that bourne c thing is amazing 10:16:17 Lasty_: with (2) you're describing stabbing/stealth 10:16:21 One approach to overhaul would be making it weaker (lowering the stealth bonus against sleeping monsters, making it shorter, maybe other things?). Another way would be to remove some or all of the repeatable forms, or attach meaningful costs (remove +Inv and make the spell level 8 or 9?) 10:16:45 gammafunk: true, but most forms of stabbing involve more risk than invis-stabbing sleeping monsters 10:17:01 sleeping monsters can still wake up if you are invis 10:17:07 Lasty_: invis-stabbing is essentially just a stealth bonus 10:17:16 so if you don't like that, you don't like stealth bonuses 10:17:30 gammafunk: well, it is effectively a huge stealth bonus, far larger than any other 10:17:36 gammafunk: depends on how big the stealth bonus is, right? :p 10:17:51 I mean, hypothetically, +5000 to stealth is clearly too much 10:17:57 sure, and you can argue that spell of give stealth bonus might not need to be a thing, but I think it's good to be clear about what's supposed to be bad about it 10:17:59 whereas +5 is too little 10:18:39 What I'm saying is that invis makes it trivially easy to get sleep stabs on almost everything w/o see invis. 10:18:51 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:18:55 !lg lasty fifteenskills hexes -log 10:18:56 No keyword 'hexes' 10:19:02 !lg lasty fifteenskills~~hexes -log 10:19:02 3. Lasty, XL26 OpEn, T:89267: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150312-005720.txt 10:19:08 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:19:13 I kind of agree with (c) 10:19:15 but that's just it, it's not trivial as you have to find a renewable source, invest in it 10:19:30 !calc 1341/2559.0 10:19:30 0.52 10:19:42 cloak/ring of invis are both potential game changers 10:19:43 52% of the monsters in that game died in one hit while asleep 10:19:54 unless you're a silly person who doesn't get >=10 evoc on everything 10:20:12 gammafunk: right, you do need the items or spell to support it, but there are a lot of them 10:20:13 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:20:29 making it rarer would be a reasonable option IMO 10:20:54 Lasty_: trying to make your character sleep-stab monster is basically the entire point of stabbing is all I'm saying. I don't think 52% of monsters stabbed is necessarilly a bad thing 10:21:27 gammafunk: I suppose all I'm saying is that it felt pretty absurd to me. It was like monsters mostly didn't exist in my game. 10:22:14 Well reasoning from that point of view, what you're probably trying to do is to rethink stabbing in general, but yeah I'm not arguing against adjustments to stealth bonuses 10:22:26 As one way reducing the absurd quantity of invis, turn (all|some) +Inv into *Inv, and make it trigger on taking damage, say. 10:22:28 Lasty_: I think it is somewhat interesting to have an effect that increases stealth a lot against some monsters but does nothing against others 10:22:43 elliptic: fair enough 10:22:52 but I can't deny that the magnitude of the invis bonus is pretty silly 10:23:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:27 it's effectively x20-30 stealth in most cases 10:23:39 Lasty_: I don't think *Inv is a good idea though because of glow 10:23:45 *Inv sounds like it'd be very unfun 10:24:12 elliptic: hmm, fair point. 10:24:14 Lasty_: and I also don't think there is an "absurd quantity" of invis currently, +Inv items are not that common 10:24:25 elliptic: maybe its just clustering illusion in my games 10:24:33 I've noticed that +Inv seems a lot less powerful than the spell 10:24:39 even with high evo the duration is way less 10:24:41 that too, it has less duration 10:24:43 gammafunk: !!! I feel the opposite 10:24:50 maybe the duration of the spell is too long? 10:24:55 Lasty_: but the duration is much less 10:24:56 Being able to turn off invis when you're done is very strong 10:24:59 not really 10:25:03 it's just a convenience 10:25:06 oh I never do that, haha 10:25:14 (didn't know you could) 10:25:36 shit 10:25:42 man that would have been useful on Z:5 10:25:50 dangit Lasty_ you need to tell me these things!!! 10:25:58 elliptic: not necessarily. Being able to have bursts of invis more often can get you out of sticky situations when you aren't able to rest freely 10:26:05 gammafunk: you're welcome :D 10:26:20 !lg . kmap=hall_of_zot_5 s=char 10:26:21 No games for gammafunk (kmap=hall_of_zot_5). 10:26:29 !lg . kmap~~hall_of_zot s=char 10:26:29 3 games for gammafunk (kmap~~hall_of_zot): SpEn, HOFE, MfSk 10:26:31 :( 10:26:34 It also allows you to potentially stack invis and haste with more safeyy 10:26:36 safety 10:26:49 hrm, but it doesn't remove any contam at all does it 10:27:10 er 10:27:11 anyway my suggestion about invis would be to try nerfing it heavily by increasing the if (mons_perc < 0) cap (in shout.cc:335) to 4 or 5 or so 10:27:15 It doesn't remove contam, but it prevents more from accumulating 10:27:21 ah, ok 10:27:28 so that it would be more like 5x stealth instead of 25x stealth 10:27:55 elliptic: that seems pretty reasonable, though even 5x seems pretty big 10:28:01 elliptic: any idea as to how that affects the overal chance of successfully stabbing a monster? 10:28:33 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:28:45 Lasty_: yeah but, saying 5x seems big, seems big relative to what? Are we trying to achieve some specific decrease in % of stabbable monsters? 10:28:46 gammafunk: currently if you want to invisistab a single monster then the chance of success is basically (1 - 1/stealth)^(number of squares you have to walk) 10:29:01 this would change it to (1 - 5/stealth)^(number of squares) 10:29:44 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I think it's probably more likely to lead to inadvertant glow 10:29:47 gammafunk: it's not too hard to get a pretty solid stealth rating; having it doubled by Dith feels subjectively very strong in my experience. 10:29:51 (without invis it is (1 - mons_perc/stealth)^(number of squares), where mons_perc depends on monster intelligence and HD and such but it usually 20-30 10:30:07 given that, I feel like having invis increase your effective stealth by significantly more than Dith does would be a lot. 10:30:18 <|amethyst> Lasty_: because you turn invis off before you get to grey, then you forget about that and haste shortly thereafter 10:30:54 |amethyst: I'm sure players do do that, but it's something you can be careful to avoid :) 10:31:03 Lasty_: you have to keep in mind that it doesn't increase your stealth against everything, often you use invis against groups of monsters where one or two can see invis 10:31:16 <|amethyst> Lasty_: OTOH I guess that could already happen if you rested the grey off but not back to 0 contam 10:31:19 elliptic: true 10:31:20 Lasty_: and it is supposed to be strong, it is a large investment and causes contam 10:31:38 <|amethyst> oh, wait 10:31:40 elliptic: IMO the problem is that the investment isn't that large 10:31:55 Lasty_: I'd also prefer to take things in smaller steps when nerfing and not go directly from 20-30x down to 2x 10:32:01 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:02 <|amethyst> never mind 10:32:13 <|amethyst> I forgot that even 1 contam is grey 10:32:19 elliptic: the investment on potions/wand is 0, the invesetment on Evo is 0-10ish, depending on your tolerance, and then investment in Hexes is only about 15 10:32:27 sometimes even less 10:32:38 and both the hexes and Evo investments pay off in countless other ways as well 10:32:45 that's pretty substantial for hexes and the duration with that low evo is really not great 10:32:53 and potions/wand are limited 10:32:58 yes 10:33:11 note that you also need to invest in stabby skills 10:33:27 true 10:33:40 <|amethyst> hm 10:33:56 Well, fair enough. I may be overreacting to one very easy game. 10:34:07 <|amethyst> make artificer explicitly a stabber (adjusting the wands accordingly) 10:34:20 But nerfing the stealth multiplier as elliptic suggests seems like a reasonable move 10:34:26 and again, it is risky to use invis+haste together, and using dith+haste together is fine (also dith gives many more stabby tools than just double stealth) 10:35:19 Lasty_: also that open had meleebug 10:35:35 gammafunk: ah, true! 10:35:52 though that only really applied to the things that weren't sleep-stabbed, which was the minority. 10:36:06 I guess it gave you more stab damage 10:36:13 but yeah 10:36:15 Lasty_: I mean, I'm possibly the person who loves stabbing the most and I've been telling people that invis is the best spell in the game for years... I don't think you are off-base here, I just think that 2x stealth against some monsters might not be good enough 10:36:19 and I mostly used an elec dagger, now that I think about it, so the elec wasn't even doubled. 10:36:48 Anyway, grabbing lunch. back in a bit. 10:37:10 ??protip[invis] 10:37:11 protip[14/27]: invis > haste 10:37:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:37:42 1learn e protips[14 s/\>/+/ 10:37:52 do you use +Inv on troglodytes 10:38:05 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:27 if I am using short blades anyway, yes 10:39:00 !lg . trog sk=stealth s=crace 10:39:01 6 games for elliptic (trog sk=stealth): 2x Kobold, 2x Halfling, 2x Spriggan 10:40:27 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:44:55 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:17 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:58:38 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:59:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:00:25 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 11:01:58 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:02:51 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:55 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:06:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:25 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 11:10:34 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:17:27 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:19:30 why wouldn't you use +inv on troglodytes 11:19:42 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:55 troglodytes were allowed to train evo the last time i checked 11:19:55 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:10 well 11:20:32 I don't think my question was "do you forbid yourself from invoking +Inv for roleplaying purpose when worshiping Trog" 11:20:42 more like "do you use it extensively" 11:20:50 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:22:32 i never said it was that 11:22:45 i said troglodytes benefit from it just as much as everyone else 11:23:39 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:20 well elliptic doesn't train evocations as much as everyone else 11:24:31 hence my curiosity 11:24:45 !lg elliptic trog sk=stabbing 11:24:45 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:24:46 No games for elliptic (trog sk=stabbing). 11:24:51 !lg elliptic trog sk=stealth 11:24:51 6. hyperelliptic the Ninja (L27 HaAs of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-12-13 21:59:17, with 1555482 points after 75982 turns and 3:21:20. 11:24:54 !messages 11:24:54 (1/1) eoc said (2m 9s ago): thanks for removing Elliptic!! but you accidentally didn't remove mimics again 11:25:02 rip Elliptic 11:25:48 can i say that it's a bit weird that whether monsters can see invisible matters when they're asleep? :P 11:26:08 wheals: it's "sense invisible" 11:26:19 like spiderman's spider sense 11:26:24 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:24 <|amethyst> But if the monster's asleep, being invisible shouldn't help 11:27:34 <|amethyst> for normal non-sinv monsters 11:27:41 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:27:43 <|amethyst> unless they're sleeping with their eyes open 11:27:54 |amethyst: fish sleep half-awake 11:27:58 |amethyst: monsters are like fish 11:28:06 |amethyst: well yeah, that too 11:28:09 <|amethyst> okay, make an exception for merfolk :) 11:28:16 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:28:23 maybe they're not really sleeping 11:28:25 pretty sure lots of mammals have weird sleep behaviour like that too 11:28:42 <|amethyst> maybe they're standing around smoking pot 11:28:50 maybe so! 11:28:58 EH is actually summon cannabis 11:28:59 hence crawl has pizza 11:29:49 <|amethyst> rename Stealth skill "Buzz-Harshing" 11:30:09 <|amethyst> err 11:30:17 <|amethyst> I guess that's just for the stabbing half of it 11:30:27 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:30:31 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:44 gammafunk: I raise evo to 10-15 for +Inv 11:33:58 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:07 I just get 10 evo for everyone and it lets me use everything effectively 11:34:21 yeah, I did same. I noticed that the duration is way less than the spell with even 15 (or I think 20) evo and only like 12-14 hexes 11:34:24 but I guess that makes sense 11:34:36 the spell feels like it can last forever some times 11:35:05 yeah I also get 10 evo on almost everyone. that last spen I tried to go elliptic style and not train much evo, but then I found a reason to train evo 11:35:08 forget what it was 11:35:18 !log . spen 11:35:19 4. gammafunk, XL24 SpEn, T:83450: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20150319-035210.txt 11:35:29 -!- mopl_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:37 oh it was ring of invis :/ 11:36:23 oh interesting, excrutiating wounds doesn't show up in status 11:36:51 huh, guess you'd have no real way of knowing if it was the actual brand or the spell for sure 11:36:54 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:12 aside from the spell not being memorized, but even then you technically wouldn't know for sure 11:37:18 it's in the item desc 11:37:38 though maybe that part isn't in the morgue 11:37:40 wheals: I mean in the morgue 11:37:49 yeah it's not in the desc there since it's not an artefact 11:37:57 and obv. you can't use the spell on artefacts 11:38:00 ah, i believe that might be configurable 11:38:01 not really sure 11:38:06 oh really 11:38:20 probably some good morgue stuff I could be enabling then 11:38:44 Your +7 quick blade {UNKiLLABLE} shrieks in agony. 11:38:54 at least that's in the message log 11:41:48 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:29 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:48:37 @player_only@ is not removed from ghost moth message 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9585 by nagdon 11:50:18 dupe of #9201 11:50:37 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:12 !tell pleasingfungus have you heard of using enum_types instead of int :< 11:51:13 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:51:23 !tell pleasingfungus ignore the underscore 11:51:23 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:52:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:53:04 !tell pleasingfungus ok, i suppose that it's because item_def.sub_type is an int so it does avoid casts, maybe it should be a union to make code simpler 11:53:04 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:55:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:22 wheals: I a'int. 11:55:22 PleasingFungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:56:53 Also, I really wonder if rod acquirement should be moved into misc acquirement. 11:57:15 It's very strange and extremely unintuitive that it's part of staff acquirement; I don't think any unspoiled player would guess that. 11:57:58 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:33 well rods arent misc items either 11:59:07 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:59:47 rpds are rods 11:59:50 Then, rename misc acquirement to "evocations acquirement, except for wands and arguably some staves". 11:59:56 "and rings." 12:00:02 "and amulets." 12:00:08 and then remove misc acquirement 12:00:17 PleasingFungus: if it is moved, staff acq option should be renamed to "magical staff" 12:00:32 wheals: Now that we've gotten all these fun misc evocables!?!?! 12:00:35 to make it clear to players that it won't be useful unless they are casting spells probably 12:00:49 elliptic: and disable it for troggites/pakellites? 12:00:51 fr lajatang acquirement 12:01:08 pakellas, real god who exists 12:01:55 PleasingFungus: staves aren't useless for trogites, just bad 12:01:59 so I wouldn't disable it 12:02:03 I think they're marked useless 12:02:26 and you can't acquire them already 12:02:28 if they are all already marked useless by the game then yeah I guess 12:02:29 i, uh, think 12:02:30 which would cause acquirement to spit out nothing (the demon of the infinite void...) 12:02:32 !source item_is_useless 12:02:33 Can't find item_is_useless. 12:02:35 the uses are pretty marginal 12:02:35 feh 12:02:37 !source is_useless 12:02:38 Can't find is_useless. 12:02:40 feh! 12:02:52 !source is_useless_item 12:02:53 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc;hb=HEAD#l3401 12:03:14 I see 12:03:41 I guess in that case disabling the choice is reasonable yes (better than making acq give an item marked as useless by the game, even if it isn't strictly useless) 12:04:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:25 you could of course change staves to not be marked useless for troggites, or not useless for troggites with magic skills 12:04:47 that's a lot of work for a niche case 12:05:12 well, it's more about being marginally useful as a resist swap than anything else 12:05:20 PleasingFungus: tangentially, did you make staves wielded by monsters auto-id? 12:05:30 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:31 I have no idea 12:05:34 ye 12:05:35 s 12:05:37 cool 12:05:46 fun fact 12:05:52 oh, right, resists 12:05:53 hey staff of channeling was really useful in that one trog game 12:05:59 weapons wielded by monsters and dropped for another weapon are also identified 12:06:06 even if you never saw the monster in the first place 12:06:30 Bloax: IMO a bug 12:06:35 just in case you wondered why there are flails of crushing lying around 12:06:40 elliptic: well yeah it is 12:06:42 minmay: channeling -> ... spirit shield? 12:06:47 it's pretty cute though 12:06:49 minmay: were you using MP on staff of dispater or some such 12:06:55 Bloax: hm, not sure how that'd happen 12:07:31 fr: staff of dispater acquirement 12:07:31 <|amethyst> hm... enhancer staves do damage even if you have evo but no magic skill, right? 12:07:39 <|amethyst> non-summoning 12:07:46 well, they do base damage 6 12:07:50 or w/e it is 12:07:51 4? 12:07:54 ??staff of air 12:07:54 staff damage[1/3]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. Prior to 0.15, air also needed to pass a (damage dealt + air + 1)/20 chance. 12:08:00 <|amethyst> I mean, the effect triggers in that situation 12:08:06 <|amethyst> they proc 12:08:17 |amethyst: yes 12:08:29 |amethyst: they aren't very good but they do something 12:08:58 elliptic: it sounds like you don't train Evo much. Why not? 12:09:14 Lasty_: I find most evocables quite annoying to use 12:09:14 <|amethyst> I think is_useless_item might be a bit much then 12:09:54 Lasty_: wands take up tons of inventory slots, rods require checking how many charges they have every turn, elemental evokers create summons, etc 12:10:05 it's certainly more useful than something like 12:10:06 _You see here the -15 plate armour of Magic {+Fly rPois rF+ MP-9 Stlth+}. 12:10:17 rip negative enchant artefacts 12:10:28 Maybe I should have cherry-picked that commit :p 12:10:31 i acquired that an hour ago 12:10:35 balance changes!!! 12:10:36 :-( 12:10:44 since the tournament is so well-balanced otherwise 12:10:50 afaik mark_mon_equipment_seen is only called when monsters are seen, anyway 12:10:58 * |amethyst hits PleasingFungus for double damage! 12:11:03 so I don't know how you'd get the bug that blo' described 12:11:31 seems perfectly plausible that the monsters were actually seen at some point 12:11:49 PleasingFungus: the HDA log you sent was interesting. Seems like redirection was behaving quite odds. 12:11:54 s/odds/oddly/ 12:12:05 oh, I didn't actually check the log - I was just watching at the time 12:12:11 and tuned out shortly before the death 12:12:19 !log hilariousdeathartist depths 12:12:19 22. HilariousDeathArtist, XL15 MiGl, T:27303: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/morgue-HilariousDeathArtist-20150327-032740.txt 12:12:24 hm 12:12:28 was this it? this wasn't it... 12:12:30 hey pf you should fix #2960 12:12:34 !bug 2960 12:12:34 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2960 12:12:49 um 12:12:52 I wonder if I did 12:12:53 !lg hda depths:1 ru -log 12:12:54 2. HilariousDeathArtist, XL15 MiGl, T:27303: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/morgue-HilariousDeathArtist-20150327-032740.txt 12:12:58 it doesn't seem to be 12:13:09 heh, 1588 12:13:10 still lightblue 12:13:19 Lasty_: I don't think that was the one I meant to send you 12:13:20 PleasingFungus: was it the weird redirection messages that you wanted to highlight in that log? 12:13:21 elliptic: but do trog summons also annoy you?! 12:13:24 PleasingFungus: ah 12:13:25 god, he plays so much 12:13:36 !gamesby hilariousdeathartist 12:13:37 hilariousdeathartist has played 2579 games, between 2012-03-01 22:03:53 and 2015-03-27 05:02:24, won 199 (7.7%), high score 16781910, total score 742059114, total turns 35951429, play-time/day 2:50:47, total time 133d+1:40:53. 12:13:43 hm 12:13:45 PleasingFungus: every time I join an HDA game in webtiles, I make that a running joke 12:13:46 !gamesby hilariousdeathartist t 12:13:46 hilariousdeathartist (t) has played 57 games, between 2015-03-13 20:00:18 and 2015-03-27 05:02:24, won 11 (19.3%), high score 16773708, total score 59971500, total turns 1453873, play-time/day 6:22:40, total time 3d+23:40:00. 12:13:50 "we're cutting you off" etc 12:13:53 not quite a full-time job 12:13:55 !gamesby . t 12:13:56 Bloax (t) has played 137 games, between 2015-03-13 20:00:13 and 2015-03-27 16:53:38, won 9 (6.6%), high score 28255753, total score 73063137, total turns 908418, play-time/day 3:14:42, total time 2d+0:40:35. 12:14:12 he's basically like "you can't" 12:14:12 but getting there 12:14:12 !lg hilariousdeathartist depths -2 12:14:13 21/22. HilariousDeathArtist the Fetichist (L18 HuEn of Dithmenos), splashed by a caustic shrike's acid (kmap: minmay_expanding_circles) on Depths:2 on 2015-03-26 05:09:18, with 177962 points after 39292 turns and 2:41:53. 12:14:16 there, that one 12:14:20 that was the one I actually wanted to send 12:14:24 ah, haha 12:14:25 funny that the next one was also applicable, tho 12:14:30 !shrikeskills hda -log 12:14:30 :D 12:14:33 oops 12:14:36 someone asked me if you were collecting shrike kills 12:14:43 yeah I think I watched that huen death 12:14:44 well, yes, obv! 12:14:46 !shrikekills 12:14:47 135. heteroy the Slayer (L24 OgCK of Xom), slain by a caustic shrike on Depths:2 (grunt_bent_corner) on 2015-03-27 06:38:53, with 462094 points after 70598 turns and 5:23:46. 12:14:49 was that the one we were watching PleasingFungus ? 12:14:56 yeah 12:14:59 !shrikekills 1 12:15:00 !shrikekills hda -log 12:15:01 the really really bad one 12:15:08 the shrike death was a mercy 12:15:09 1/135. Shard1697 the Executioner (L27 HOSk of Ashenzari), mangled by a caustic wasp on Zot:3 on 2014-10-31 20:36:58, with 665186 points after 89906 turns and 5:01:39. 12:15:09 No keyword 'hda' 12:15:09 yeah that char was pretty bad 12:15:19 !shrikekills hilariousdeathartist -log 12:15:19 No keyword 'hilariousdeathartist' 12:15:27 boo 12:15:28 !lg * ikiller=shard_shrike 12:15:29 10. Alarkh the Eclecticist (L27 MuWz of Ru), mangled by a shard shrike on Coc:7 (coc_mu) on 2015-03-16 18:14:50, with 1060184 points after 162567 turns and 10:56:19. 12:15:36 Ru couldn't save him... 12:15:38 |amethyst: any idea about @player_only@ showing up in the actual messages? 12:15:42 %git :/player_only 12:15:55 Could not find commit :/player_only (git returned 128) 12:15:55 !lg hilariousdeathartist killer~~shrike -log 12:15:55 !shrikekills name=hilariousdeathartist -log 12:15:55 wow 12:15:55 2. HilariousDeathArtist, XL18 HuEn, T:39292: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HilariousDeathArtist/morgue-HilariousDeathArtist-20150326-050918.txt 12:15:55