00:01:29 !tell pleasingfungus you're orc killer #2 !lg * t kmap~~orc s=kmap br=orc 00:01:30 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:02:42 -!- rubycowgames has quit [Quit: rubycowgames] 00:05:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:06:46 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:07:28 -!- Orphic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:41 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-155-g14e20c2 (34) 00:13:32 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:15:32 .elrank t 00:15:32 100 games for * (br=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!= t): 12x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 10x dragon1_lemuel, 7x grunt_megastairs_3, 4x grunt_megastairs_2, 4x beast_lair_carwin_large_4, 4x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 4x grunt_forest_large_clearings, 3x onia_ninara_swampy_vault, 3x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 3x minmay_lair_oklob_tunnel, 2x cheibrodos_magma_flow, 2x... 00:15:42 wow lemuel catchin up 00:15:52 .gfdevkills t 00:15:54 No games for @devteam (((kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher)) t). 00:16:26 !cmd .gfdevkills 00:16:26 Command: .gfdevkills => !lg @devteam (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) s=name,ckiller,kmap 00:16:43 !lg * t kmap~~minmay 00:16:44 1027. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:16:48 !lg * t kmap~~lemuel 00:16:49 296. ew the Ruffian (L6 TrCK of Xom), slain by a gnoll (a +0 spear) on D:3 (lemuel_castle_with_subvaults; lemuel_castle_interior_carwin_2) on 2015-03-25 04:55:13, with 354 points after 2009 turns and 0:00:20. 00:16:52 !lg * t kmap~~gammafunk 00:16:53 24. Glass the Sharpshooter (L14 MiHu of Trog), slain by a stone giant zombie (kmap: gammafunk_depths_entry_grave) on D:15 on 2015-03-25 01:20:41, with 47067 points after 22999 turns and 1:02:26. 00:17:22 your vaults are broken horribly because they place water and since monster digging 00:17:31 ergo those kills don't count 00:17:40 true 00:18:40 !lg * (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) 00:18:53 881. Glass the Sharpshooter (L14 MiHu of Trog), slain by a stone giant zombie (kmap: gammafunk_depths_entry_grave) on D:15 on 2015-03-25 01:20:41, with 47067 points after 22999 turns and 1:02:26. 00:19:11 movin' in on 1k 00:21:26 !lg * (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) s=name 00:21:39 -!- Walttt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:52 881 games for * (kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher): 17x nooodl, 6x qw, 5x Herrn, 4x rjrrt, 4x Avigdore, 4x damdam, 4x hyperbowl, 4x Wolfechu, 4x ghwc, 3x vogonpoet, 3x flinch, 3x rauk2000, 3x Ai, 3x shummie, 3x Surr, 3x Dichotomy, 3x Sonny, 3x smk137, 3x gw, 3x Rexfelis, 3x Gerad, 3x PolkaDot, 3x Misha, 3x Gandelf, 2x nznznm, 2x Nordon, 2x Zooty, 2x ra... 00:22:50 good job nooodl 00:22:58 !lg * kmap~~minmay 00:22:59 26628. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:23:09 movin' in on 00:23:10 uh 00:23:13 30000 i guess 00:23:25 27,000. 27!!!!!!!!! 00:23:43 !lg * map~~minmay map!~~misc_feat map!~~arrival map!~~temple_entry 00:23:44 76956. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:24:28 that's really a more accurate measure since so many of my kills are from before the kmap field was added 00:24:42 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:24:52 oh but I guess the arrival vaults were called entry vaults 00:25:02 !lg * map~~minmay map!~~misc_feat map!~~arrival map!~~entry 00:25:02 40228. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:25:09 that excludes things like lair entries too of course but who cares 00:25:16 Am I the only one that finds that Smiting on Greater Mummies is affected by Anti-Magic; but Smiting on Mummy Priests isn't a little weird? 00:25:40 !lg * s=ckiller 00:25:47 4134158 games for *: 400446x quitting, 275262x leaving, 217408x a hobgoblin, 212601x a kobold, 208596x a gnoll, 167394x an orc priest, 139333x an orc wizard, 124990x an adder, 119149x a player ghost, 114046x an ogre, 107947x Sigmund, 105377x a jackal, 102001x an orc, 92857x a goblin, 82475x an orc warrior, 73026x a giant gecko, 69157x a centaur, 66610x a worm, 46136x a snake, 45355x pois, 43978x G... 00:26:13 I'm more dangerous than everything not on that list apparently 00:26:25 (the next entry after grinder is 36492x terence) 00:26:38 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-155-g14e20c2 (34) 00:27:28 Bcadren: well, greater mummies are spellcasters whereas mummy priests are priests, but IMO it is quite awkward in gameplay that priests are not affected by antimagic 00:27:39 minmay: you want kmap for that though 00:28:00 unless you just wanted to see people dying on your map, which I guess is also a valid thing to get credit for 00:28:03 gammafunk: kmap field will be empty prior to 2013 and I excluded all the vaults that don't kill 00:28:08 oh 00:28:31 We can do it on a spell-by-spell basis now, yes? 00:28:32 !lg * map~~minmay kmap!= 00:28:33 17435. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:28:40 !lg * kmap~~minmay 00:28:40 26628. aegolden the Skirmisher (L3 MiBe of Trog), slain by an ice beast on D:2 (minmay_divided_ellipse) on 2015-03-25 05:07:39, with 67 points after 819 turns and 0:01:54. 00:29:12 from these statistics, you can clearly see that "map" is underreporting. i actually have more kills than centaurs 00:29:20 /nick Berder 00:30:55 some advice if you want to get more vault kills. your current strategy of making a small number of deadly vaults is bad. to really rack up the kills, you need to make hundreds of shitty vaults like me 00:31:16 its like on tavern. I dont have 2000 thanks because I make good posts, I have it because I make 4000 shitposts 00:31:51 well I have to want to make said vault or monster, I just make myself feel like I'm winning a game that no one cares about 00:32:04 by setting arbitrary goals 00:36:08 !lg * (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) x=cdist(gid) 00:36:34 881 games for * (kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher): cdist(game_key)=881 00:36:44 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:37:13 !cmd goodplayer 00:37:13 Command: !goodplayer => .echo $(let (wins $(nwins ${1:-.}) player $(name_fixup $1)) $(if (>= $wins 10) "$player is a goodplayer: $wins wins." "$player is not a goodplayer yet: $wins $(plural win $wins) ($(- 10 $wins) to go).")) 00:38:11 !cmd greaterplayer 00:38:12 Command: !greaterplayer => .echo $(do ${1:-.} "")$(greathelper2 cls ${1:-.} backgrounds greaterplayer playable:job $*) 00:38:52 !cmd .gfkills !lg * (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) x=cdist(gid) $* 00:38:52 Defined command: .gfkills => !lg * (( kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher )) x=cdist(gid) $* 00:39:00 .gfkills @devteamnp 00:39:02 5 games for * (((kmap=~gammafunk kmap!~overflow || ikiller=asterion || ikiller=octopode_crusher)) @devteamnp): cdist(game_key)=5 00:40:19 goal: make enough vaults to crash the level generator 00:40:19 I remember dpeg saying he liked the Slime Sewer idea the first time I said it...a really long time ago. If I wanted to try to actually make that vault, how and what do I do? 00:41:14 Bcadren: there's a des guide in the source docs 00:43:57 Basically the idea being (like the Ossuary with similar layout to the Tomb and the Ossuary with 'Decaying' Bog Bodies) a Sewer that's an easier version of slime. Oozes, Golden Eyeballs, Jellies. The harder part would be the two unique things, I guess? One's weaker slime walls (so their are punishing and not fatal; like they otherwise would be early) and the other is a weaker slime creature (same reason). 00:44:49 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:45:28 slime walls already do like no damage on slime:1 00:46:02 and personally I think it would be better if they did the slime:6 damage everywhere 00:46:09 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:46:13 did their ...has their damage always depended on depth? 00:46:17 yes 00:46:19 jesus 00:47:31 Aldani (L12 GrFi) ASSERT(move_act[i]->pos() == newpos) in 'spl-tornado.cc' at line 435 failed. (D (Sprint)) 00:47:47 What woudl their damage be like in a portal then? same as Slime: 1 more or less? 00:47:58 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 00:48:24 Do regular Giant Eyeballs spawn anymore? I swear I haven't seen one in awhile. I remember dying in early D to their Paralysis so many times. 00:52:26 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:02 -!- soundlust__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:04 They do not 00:53:08 -!- Holy_Rage has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 00:53:17 %git :/giant eyeball 00:53:20 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3597-g373b029: Improve an extremely rare message 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=373b029bcac4 00:54:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:54:11 !gitgrep 2 "giant eyeball" 00:54:11 %git HEAD^{/"giant eyeball"}^^{/"giant eyeball"} 00:54:12 Could not find commit HEAD^{/"giant eyeball"}^^{/"giant eyeball"} (git returned 128) 00:54:21 !gitgrep 2 eyeball 00:54:21 %git HEAD^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball} 00:54:21 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-2851-g103dd5a: Scattered minor monster tweaks. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=103dd5a78740 00:54:22 hm 00:54:27 !gitgrep 3 eyeball 00:54:27 %git HEAD^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball} 00:54:27 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1591-g4fdb1e6: Make smite-targeted gaze spells for giant eyeballs and golden eyes. 10(5 months ago, 6 files, 66+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fdb1e6d3bf2 00:54:28 not spawning altogether or just not in general population of the upper D? 00:54:33 !gitgrep 4 eyeball 00:54:33 %git :/remove giant eyeball 00:54:34 Could not find commit :/remove giant eyeball (git returned 128) 00:54:34 %git HEAD^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball} 00:54:35 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1590-g13372b0: Revert eyeball gaze changes. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13372b0a3fee 00:54:40 !gitgrep 5 eyeball 00:54:40 %git HEAD^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball} 00:54:40 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1589-gc112a2c: Only let eyeballs smite-target enchantments. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c112a2c84e62 00:54:45 !gitgrep 6 eyeball 00:54:45 %git HEAD^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball}^^{/eyeball} 00:54:46 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1587-g1c4dcb9: Return smite-targeting to eyeball gaze spells. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 20+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c4dcb995e33 00:54:49 haha 00:54:52 ah, yes 00:54:55 oh whatever, this one http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=d37599f8dbe9b09757e883ea2f3528df139e863f 00:54:57 the commit argument with gurnt 00:55:17 gurnt is grunt's evil twin 00:55:52 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:24 most deadly way to meet them was one wandering on screen while you are already fighting an orc pack D:4ish glad that's gone. 00:57:49 Bcadren: slime walls work like slime:1 outside slime branch 00:58:01 there are a few slime entry vaults with slime walls 00:58:12 as in, entry vaults in lair 01:01:16 There are also PF's Jiyva temples 01:01:56 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:02:04 There are still Jiyva Altars away from Slime? I thought all of those were gone. 01:02:32 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 01:03:51 -!- qoala_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:06:16 -!- qoala has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:22 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 01:07:58 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:14:56 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:15:09 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:16:26 Can we get rid of the 'check armour slots' BS on acid? It's really opaque, overcomplicated and weird. 01:16:28 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:01 do you even code 01:18:02 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:19:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-155-g14e20c2 (34) 01:20:05 -!- psuedo_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:20:37 ...Javascript, HTML5, Cg, Actionscript, BASIC (long time ago), inner engine scripting languages for UDK, Unity3D, GameMaker (also been awhile)...uhh...CSS, once...idk anymore dude. 01:21:57 Inner engine for Neverwinter once; don't like Neverwinter. 01:24:58 I haven't tried to on the Crawl code though; no. I downloaded a repo and couldn't find anything really So many snippets. Less of a Mess than UDK 3.5 keke. 01:26:50 -!- Lamil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:52 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 01:33:47 You know you could store more advanced vault data more easily with an image than ASCII. Use each color channel for a different layer (enemies = red; items = blue; terrain = green; etc.) composite the image in whatever bit depth you need 16 bit probably enough to index every creature in crawl to a red value. Parse back. Whoa...actual developer me is back for the moment. 01:33:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:34:37 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:37:28 -!- ly^ has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:39:58 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:11 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:11 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:41 chequers; thanks. I'm not sure what exactly triggered it, but that snapped me back to being myself; which I haven't been in months. I'm off to work on Hex-grid pathing in Unity. 01:48:57 -!- ly^_ is now known as ly^ 01:51:08 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:53:10 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:53:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-155-g14e20c2 02:00:39 "advanced vault data" sounds like something very bad 02:00:52 |amethyst: 0.16 games are still not on cao scoring pages -- do i blame you? 02:01:59 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:11 Just means you could use it to map item, terrain and monster on top of each other more easily. 02:02:34 I kind of default to using images though; they store more data than most people realize. In a nice grid too. 02:02:59 i think your suggestion of storing textual data as an image being 'easy' is misguided 02:03:12 ... 02:03:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrRa9FVFBpo 02:03:49 -!- angelichorsey has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:55 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:04:18 Game handled physics and everything by checking against an image. was a prototype I made in less than 2 days. 02:04:39 How do I use git to update to 16.1? I already have 16 checked out 02:06:31 angelichorsey: you want to build 0.16.1 from source? 02:06:54 yes 02:07:11 I tried checking that out and it didn't recognize 02:08:10 angelichorsey: 'git reset --hard 0.16.1' will do it 02:08:21 or git checkout origin/stone_soup-0.16 02:08:38 the latter checks out the latest version of 0.16, which right now is 0.16.1 02:09:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:00 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:10:19 the time stamps on my files didn't change 02:10:41 Is that anything? Seems like it isn't doing anything. Unless it is only changing where damage_done += 02:11:33 [root@cpe-173-174-66-22 crawl]# pwd 02:11:34 /root/crawl 02:11:34 [root@cpe-173-174-66-22 crawl]# git checkout origin/stone_soup-0.16 02:11:34 HEAD is now at d45b091... Don't make monsters avoid shadow traps (simm) 02:12:26 oh, probably use the --reset command actually 02:12:40 you can see the differences between two revisions with git diff 0.16.0..0.16.1 02:12:55 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:04 ah 02:13:06 --reset 02:13:08 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:13:10 early it didn't have hyphens 02:13:47 no that's still off 02:13:48 lol 02:13:56 -!- Maud has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:49 0.16.1 is 069a05e71c22072e3856994c05962bacfe9fab36 02:15:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:15:06 I'll just reclone for now 02:15:07 git reset --hard will make your tree that commit 02:15:08 learn git later 02:15:17 * chequers runs off 02:15:23 ty :D 02:21:47 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:59 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-155-g14e20c2 (34) 02:25:54 -!- heteroy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:13 Some ally spells can be memorized despite having sacrificed love 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9578 by n1000 02:27:46 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 02:28:22 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:58 yay 16.1! 02:29:35 -!- qoala_ has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 02:30:16 -!- wya has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:33:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:33:58 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 02:35:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:42 -!- Lamil has quit [] 02:36:56 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:37:42 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38:00 -!- Mottikins__ is now known as FaMott 02:41:14 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:04 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:36 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:47:48 Is there a quick way I can get the old big fish tile? 02:50:13 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:46 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:05:25 -!- tehtscho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:13 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:04 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:10 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 03:12:10 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:16:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:33 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:02 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:44:07 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:50:19 -!- psuedo_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 03:51:28 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:53:20 Am I allowed to use the old big fish tile? 03:54:30 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:54:47 For another project; may I use the tile? 03:59:05 it's from rltiles probably 03:59:15 and all the tiles are under gpl just like everything else 04:00:04 yes, it'a rltiles 04:00:22 (and thus public domain) 04:01:31 For the moment; I'm just copying crawl mechanics; but extrapolating to 3D to see how it works; just doing melee, LoS and pathing for the moment I'll post it when it works. It's...underwater. so 26 movement directions [up/down, left/right, forward/back]; the tile is probably just a placeholder if it ever became NICEto attempt commercial release it'd need a 3D model. Also; I'm basically using big fish as 'rat' for a basic melee demo. 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is now known as Kolbur 12:40:00 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:49 does wizmode have a command to forget the level and any items in it 12:43:56 so that monsters can pick them up 12:44:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:24 kvaak: no, I think &Y will just have the player forget identification 12:45:31 aww 12:45:32 but it won't forget that the player has seen the item 12:45:40 kvaak: you can't just reload the level? 12:45:51 hm, that might work 12:45:57 -!- zjeremie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:46:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it would be nice, though, to test monster item pickup of specific items 12:46:09 I guess it could be a problem for testing monster behavior on unseen items 12:46:13 <|amethyst> so you don't have to write a vault 12:46:16 |amethyst: yes was just thinking that :) 12:46:36 seems like putting that with &Y and &y would be sensible 12:46:37 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46:37 oh actually ^r generates an entirely new level 12:47:11 rip kvaak's level 12:47:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:07 elliptic: is this a good time to talk about how 13:05:11 @??ancient zyme 13:05:11 ancient zyme (03x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 40-63 | AC/EV: 6/6 | Dam: 16, 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 326 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:05:17 elliptic: there is a nonliving monster with rPois+ 13:05:41 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-43 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 194 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 13:05:41 %??fire elemental 13:05:44 water elemental (02E) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 33-50 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 2212(engulf) | 11non-living, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 211 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 13:05:44 %??water elemental 13:05:51 wow, what 13:05:53 (probably others) 13:06:22 anyway this seems kind of terrible to me 13:06:36 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:11 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:08:30 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:10 -!- Guest55115 is now known as flappity 13:09:11 also, can the game please not lie to player gargoyles/undead about their rPois 13:10:11 and can stuff with rPois+ please be consistently poisonable or not poisonable 13:10:39 @??roxanne 13:10:39 Roxanne (028) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 14 | HP: 180 | AC/EV: 20/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1948 | Sp: crystal spear (3d32), iron shot (3d26), blink other close, b.magma (3d23), mystic blast (3d19) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 13:10:45 AND WHY IS THIS STILL A THING 13:11:26 monsters do not need 6 levels of any resistance, let alone one like rPois 13:12:19 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:12:32 minmay: what are you shouting about 13:13:11 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:13:34 ZChris13: monsters have 6 different levels of poison resistance, two of which are displayed identically, there are nonliving monsters with rPois+, rPois++, and rPois+++, and player mummies and gargoyles are told they have rPois[infinity sign im too lazy to put here] even though they have rPois+ 13:13:52 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14:27 ah 13:14:36 that is very confusing and should be fixed 13:14:49 and displayed in an easy to understand manner 13:15:52 I guess I can probably make a patch to fix monster rPois 13:17:46 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:20:26 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 13:20:46 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:24:44 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:04 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:46 actually I think I'd rather someone else do it 13:29:50 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:31:30 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:05 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:39 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:39:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:37 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:43:01 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-156-g01b6967: Forget more about items with &I and &Y. 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01b6967c377d 13:44:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk: there you go 13:44:33 thanks 13:44:39 well, kvaak ^ 13:44:46 since that's who requested it 13:44:51 yay 13:44:57 * kvaak does the happy dance 13:45:27 <|amethyst> I didn't really test what happens when an item in your pack is marked as unseen etc 13:45:57 yeah 13:46:00 was just about to ask that 13:46:01 <|amethyst> but at least dropping the item, moving out of LOS, then doing &Y should work 13:46:16 minmay: I think reducing rPois to a reasonable number of types and displaying them accurately seems good, and I'll work on that in 0.17. The tricky thing w/ player mummies and gargoyles is that we need to convey that they're immune to the poison status w/o being immune to poison damage. 13:46:21 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:46:38 probably with &I the seen aspect is reset on the next turn 13:46:41 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 13:46:52 hrm 13:47:02 well I guess dropping it would have to be the next turn 13:47:15 for it to even get checked for that 13:47:33 or rather on the turn you drop it, it'd get marked as seen again 13:48:12 <|amethyst> it doesn't get marked as seen in your inv even on the next turn 13:48:28 <|amethyst> but I don't know whether it gets marked when you drop it, on the next turn, or when you pick it up again 13:48:29 yeah I assumed it wouldn't 13:48:35 <|amethyst> probably one of the first two 13:48:50 Lasty_: why do they need to not be immune to poison damage 13:50:44 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:51:20 yeah, I'm not sure how they could get poison damage without poison status anyhow 13:51:25 something about OTR? 13:51:29 <|amethyst> venom bolt 13:51:33 <|amethyst> sting 13:51:41 gammafunk: poison arrow too 13:51:43 but that's just the partialy resistable thing 13:51:47 <|amethyst> no 13:51:51 <|amethyst> venom bolt is 100% resistable 13:52:17 <|amethyst> !source get_resistible_fraction 13:52:17 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/fight.cc;hb=HEAD#l374 13:52:21 <|amethyst> only a few things aren't 100% 13:52:47 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:52:48 I think he meant "is there anything that deals poison damage to rPois+ but doesn't ever give poison status" 13:53:03 I don't see how that's relevant though? 13:53:16 minmay: shrug. Mummies can certainly stand the buff. Gargoyles don't really, but who cares. Lots of things about gargoyles make no sense. 13:53:22 Oh, or did you mean "not sure how they could get poison status without poison damage" 13:53:51 <|amethyst> I thought player mummies were not immune to poison damage for the same reason that players with rF+++ are not immune to fire damage 13:53:54 s/don't really/don't really need/ 13:53:57 Lasty_: eh, Gr is weaker than Hu IMO and it would stay that way with this change (there's basically no early game poison damage that isn't poison status) 13:54:01 <|amethyst> viz., we don't like making players immune to damage 13:54:08 |amethyst: then why are player mummies immune to negative energy damage? 13:54:29 isn't any player with rN+++ immune to negative energy 13:54:30 <|amethyst> no idea why rN is weird 13:54:35 the tar end vault loot seems spoliery 13:54:41 in that you must know to dig for it 13:54:51 or read mmap 13:54:53 from ?mapping or from being told that it's worth digging around 13:55:06 |amethyst: and if for some reason player mummies do need to have only rPois+, like they currently do, surely it should be displayed as rPois+ instead of rPois[infinity] 13:55:20 minmay: Hu is baller, so that's probably true. I'd also be fine with making player gargoyles rP+ proper, since they are only inconsistently non-living 13:55:42 <|amethyst> minmay: what do you mean "like they currently do"? 13:55:50 Lasty_: oh yeah that reminds me, since player gr is 99.99% living, monster gr should really be changed to natural 13:55:51 <|amethyst> !source player_res_poison 13:55:52 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l1793 13:55:57 |amethyst: I mean that mummies currently have rPois+ for all gameplay purposes 13:55:59 <|amethyst> looks like +++ to me 13:56:27 <|amethyst> oh, you're saying that +++ is the same as + ? 13:56:32 |amethyst: for players, yes 13:56:38 |amethyst: except that it's used for poison status immunity 13:56:46 minmay: I tend to agree with that, but I don't really know why any of the choices involved in player or monster gargoyles were made 13:56:56 @??naga_mage 13:56:56 naga mage (06N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 7 | HP: 28-47 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 415 | Sp: spit poison (d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.venom (3d12), mystic blast (3d13), haste, poison arrow (3d14), teleport other, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: no.. 13:56:57 |amethyst: a player takes the same damage from venom bolt with rPois+ vs. rPois[infinity] 13:57:09 Lasty_: you think I do? 13:57:20 no 13:57:40 <|amethyst> minmay: hm 13:57:45 I'm just saying I'm not sure I feel free to change it around because I don't understand any of the rationale behind why things are as they are 13:57:55 Lasty_: I don't think you need to. Gr was werid, bh came up with the flavor, then it went through a million iterations before DracoOmega found the current "AC species" gimmick. 13:58:01 <|amethyst> is resist_adjust_damage just not being called? 13:58:10 Basically I'm saying there probably /isn't/ a rationale for how things are >_> 13:58:26 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:58:29 Fair nuff. 13:59:30 <|amethyst> if I'm reading this correctly, player rP+ should divide damage by 3, rP+++ by 6 13:59:51 So, here are a few solutions: 1) player gargoyles stay living and monster gargoyles become living; 2) monster gargoyles stay the same and player gargoyles become 100% nonliving (huge buff, most likely); 3) rename/reconceptualize player gargoyles to be something else; 4) reconceptualize monster gargoyles to be something else or remove them. 13:59:53 <|amethyst> resistible /= (3 * res + 1) / 2 + bonus_res; (bonus_res is true for poison) 14:00:14 I'm not even sure why naga mages have venom bolt 14:00:37 |amethyst: oh, that's possible. I just notice that venom bolt etc. still do damage to mummies, which they clearly should not if they have "infinity" resistance 14:00:38 @??naga_wizard 14:00:38 unknown monster: "naga_wizard" 14:00:42 Lasty_: I like 1. Could just say gargoyles look like stone but are actually completely organic or something. 14:00:43 -!- Palyth has quit [] 14:00:44 @??greater_naga 14:00:45 greater naga (13N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 15 | HP: 66-99 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 703(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1819 | Sp: spit poison (d22) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: .. 14:01:30 but isn't anything with rPois+ immune to venom bolt? 14:01:33 <|amethyst> minmay: yeah, probably makes sense to show it more like rF than like rN 14:01:37 so 14:01:44 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no 14:01:53 !learn edit lasty_to_do[-1 s/$/ do something about gargoyle being "non-living" and make mummies actually immune to poison;/ 14:01:55 lasty to do[10/10]: 0.17: do something about spectral weapon; consider monsters worth removing; add new channeling monsters; mp scaling; do something about raise skeleton and animate dead; do something about gargoyle being "non-living" and make mummies actually immune to poison; 14:02:00 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it's immune to being poisoned by venom bolt, unless it's a player 14:02:02 |amethyst: well if it's also reducing damage by a different amount than rF+++... 14:02:06 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but will still take damage 14:02:15 |amethyst: ah, and according to that formula you mentioned? 14:02:19 <|amethyst> minmay: more like relec 14:02:27 rp+ divides by 3, rp+++ by 6 14:02:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that one was specifically for players 14:02:44 yeah 14:02:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:55 -!- Antikythera has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: for monsters, rp+++ is immunity, and rp+ divides by 3 (resistible /= 1 + bonus_res + res * res) 14:03:23 |amethyst: yeah, and unspoiled players never actually figure that out 14:03:41 minmay: so you'd like mu and gr to just be rPois+, like Na? 14:03:58 gammafunk: I would certainly consider it much better than the current situation 14:03:59 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:02 gammafunk: my vote is that mummies be completely poison immune 14:04:26 yeah that seems fine as well 14:04:47 mu not taking venom bolt damage seems no problem to me at all 14:04:48 I would rather player undead just be immune to poison damage & status since that's consistent with monster undead and player undead have immunity to negative energy damage, draining (except not really lol), rotting, etc... 14:04:50 <|amethyst> const bool immune_at_3_res = is_mon || flavour == BEAM_NEG; 14:04:54 <|amethyst> could just change that 14:04:58 I mean, they would still suck 14:05:12 Gh doesn't suck 14:05:12 they only suck because you're not good at Mu, minmay 14:05:13 <|amethyst> const bool immune_at_3_res = is_mon || flavour == BEAM_NEG || flavour == BEAM_POISON 14:05:18 <|amethyst> poison arrow would stay the same 14:05:25 <|amethyst> (and has an irresistible fraction anyway) 14:05:30 !lg . Mu !borin / won 14:05:30 No keyword 'borin' 14:05:34 !lg . Mu !boring / won 14:05:34 1/8 games for gammafunk (Mu !boring): N=1/8 (12.50%) 14:05:35 |amethyst: poison arrow would do less impact damage wouldn't it? 14:05:43 oh crap I did lose some 14:05:43 to players 14:06:01 <|amethyst> minmay: slightly less, but most of that comes from the 30% irresistible fraction 14:06:18 !lg devteamnp mu s=name / won 14:06:19 45/2484 games for devteamnp (mu): 16/34x elliptic [47.06%], 12/281x 78291 [4.27%], 3/10x evilmike [30.00%], 2/150x MarvinPA [1.33%], 2/14x Lasty [14.29%], 2/98x Sage [2.04%], 1/13x gammafunk [7.69%], 1/139x sorear [0.72%], 1/2x PleasingFungus [50.00%], 1/17x pointless [5.88%], 1/17x Medar [5.88%], 1/35x itsmu [2.86%], 1/24x SGrunt [4.17%], 1/864x KiloByte [0.12%], 0/29x doy [0.00%], 0/26x erisdisc... 14:06:33 <|amethyst> hm 14:06:36 !lg devteamnp mu s=name / won o=% 14:06:37 45/2484 games for devteamnp (mu): 1/2x PleasingFungus [50.00%], 16/34x elliptic [47.06%], 3/10x evilmike [30.00%], 2/14x Lasty [14.29%], 1/13x gammafunk [7.69%], 1/17x pointless [5.88%], 1/17x Medar [5.88%], 12/281x 78291 [4.27%], 1/24x SGrunt [4.17%], 1/35x itsmu [2.86%], 2/98x Sage [2.04%], 2/150x MarvinPA [1.33%], 1/139x sorear [0.72%], 1/864x KiloByte [0.12%], 0/29x doy [0.00%], 0/26x erisdisc... 14:06:42 <|amethyst> I guess it would be more than "slightly" 14:06:46 Best mummy is PF. Who knew? 14:06:57 !lg devteamnp mu !boring s=name / won o=% 14:06:58 45/2383 games for devteamnp (mu !boring): 1/2x PleasingFungus [50.00%], 16/34x elliptic [47.06%], 3/10x evilmike [30.00%], 2/14x Lasty [14.29%], 1/8x gammafunk [12.50%], 1/17x pointless [5.88%], 1/17x Medar [5.88%], 12/277x 78291 [4.33%], 1/24x SGrunt [4.17%], 1/35x itsmu [2.86%], 2/95x Sage [2.11%], 2/142x MarvinPA [1.41%], 1/130x sorear [0.77%], 1/864x KiloByte [0.12%], 0/29x doy [0.00%], 0/30x ... 14:07:01 |amethyst: nah, I'd call it "slightly" 14:07:10 <|amethyst> minmay: currently they'd take something like 30% + (70/6)% ~ 41.7% afterwards they'd take 30% 14:07:18 yes 14:07:31 <|amethyst> so nearly 30% less damage than they were taking from those attacks 14:07:48 well yeah, but the damage is already small 14:07:54 Lasty_: I could win the next one I play and overtake you easy. *easy* 14:08:21 really, I think if there's an authority here on getting hit by venom bolt and parrow as a mummy, it's me 14:08:44 !lg minmay mu ckaux~~poison 14:08:44 7. minmay the Phalangite (L18 MuBe of Trog), shot by a deep elf master archer (poisoned arrow) on Elf:3 (minmay_elf_hall_x) on 2012-12-24 18:23:15, with 211844 points after 54055 turns and 1:47:23. 14:08:50 !lg minmay mu ckaux~~poison s=ckaux 14:08:50 7 games for minmay (mu ckaux~~poison): 5x poisoned arrow of flame, poisoned arrow, poisoned bolt 14:08:52 gammafunk: I never said -I- was a good mummy player 14:09:02 gammafunk: not what you wanted, huh? 14:09:04 Lasty_: I went G 14:09:09 !lm * mu rune=serpentine s=name 14:09:10 all I'm say is that PF is much, much better at mummies than you. 14:09:10 1090 milestones for * (mu rune=serpentine): 42x minmay, 33x Ragdoll, 24x chukamok, 16x clouded, 15x 78291, 13x Avigdore, 13x StoneWall, 12x keymashgrqeeg, 12x jaruokki, 11x sanka, 11x syban, 9x Poncheis, 9x Basil, 9x oxeimon, 9x jeanjacques, 8x hyperbolic, 8x Category, 8x Elynae, 8x tehpwn, 7x AdeonTwo, 7x elliptic, 7x HilariousDeathArtist, 6x inspector071, 6x neops, 6x noom, 6x uru, 6x hackum, 6x... 14:09:16 s/say/saying/ 14:09:31 minmay: I'm convinced 14:09:32 Lasty_: great, and you know he reads the logs too 14:09:47 now I get to listen to him go on and on about it... 14:09:52 gammafunk: while playing a mummy, I think G was better than atheist 14:10:06 yeah it's my only G game 14:10:30 I played a few other G games 14:10:41 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:10:49 But unless I make big changes to G or need to for a tournament I probably won't ever again 14:10:57 !lm * he rune=barnacled s=name 14:10:57 he is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use he-- (High Elf) or --he (Healer) to disambiguate 14:11:02 !lm * he-- rune=barnacled s=name 14:11:02 1108 milestones for * (he-- rune=barnacled): 27x gammafunk, 17x johnnyzero, 14x striker, 10x 78291, 10x Plasmo, 9x bmfx, 8x Chmeee, 7x Surr, 6x DrKe, 6x nago, 6x soul, 6x zazu2006, 6x rjrrt, 5x Tenaya, 5x KnockoutNami5050, 5x theglow, 5x MrPlanck, 5x dlk, 5x elliptic, 5x Tolias, 5x Sky, 5x crate, 5x HilariousDeathArtist, 5x LogicNinja, 5x sabotagetoday, 5x Snack, 5x pokeman, 5x Vidiiot, 5x syllogi... 14:11:05 nice 14:11:13 !lm * he-- rune=decaying s=name 14:11:14 1563 milestones for * (he-- rune=decaying): 42x gammafunk, 28x johnnyzero, 21x bmfx, 21x 78291, 18x oxeimon, 16x striker, 15x Surr, 13x LogicNinja, 12x Plasmo, 10x Vidiiot, 10x MrPlanck, 9x himajinn, 9x DrPraetor, 9x soul, 8x mrbobbyg, 8x heteroy, 7x meneril, 7x BirdoPrey, 7x m1nced, 7x Sharkman1231, 7x zkyp, 7x Julia, 7x sh, 7x SchwaWarrior, 7x sabotagetoday, 7x Sky, 7x daftfad, 6x Orfax, 6x nago... 14:11:18 ofc 14:11:26 gammafunk: "Also a significant majority of rolls are below median damage" 14:11:36 minmay: lol 14:11:56 minmay: is that tasonir 14:11:58 no way 14:12:01 gammafunk: yes 14:12:03 yessss 14:12:03 that is 14:12:07 god I'm getting good at this! 14:12:13 lol 14:12:23 ??tavern statistics 14:12:24 I don't have a page labeled tavern_statistics in my learndb. 14:13:16 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:42 that is an excellent quote 14:13:43 gammafunk: can you express how good you're getting at this in terms of probability theory? 14:15:06 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:11 lim Pr(gammafunk has a life|gammafunk has read n tavern posts)_n->\infty = 0 14:16:21 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:16:41 should but the limit on lim but oh well 14:18:25 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:18:28 I'm so close to believing you 14:18:38 !lg * name~~worm 14:18:40 700. wormsofcan the Poker (L5 MfSk of Dithmenos), blasted by an orc priest (nerve-wracking pain) on D:3 on 2015-03-23 18:24:57, with 131 points after 2517 turns and 0:10:01. 14:18:52 okay, now I've got data supporting your argument 14:18:57 so I believe you 14:19:29 rip dissent and wormsofcan 14:19:49 !rip wormsofcan 14:19:52 wormsofcan the Reanimator (L12 VpNe), worshipper of Sif Muna, slain by a glowing long sword on D:13, with 24381 points after 13915 turns and 2:51:27. 14:20:06 !rip dissent 14:20:07 Subcommand $(!rg * recent !won !boring xl=${lm[2]} br=${lm[4]} lvl>=${lm[5]} fmt:"${vmsg}|${place}|${sc}|${turn}|${dur}") failed: '${lm[2]}' is not an integer in 'xl=${lm[2]}' in $(split | $(!rg * $(=rip.opt... in $(ripformat ${lm[0]} ${lm[1]... 14:20:24 I just assumed -someone- would have started a player named dissent 14:20:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:03 I should start a tavern account under that name and just post "I" every time someone (else) says something dumb. 14:21:16 <|amethyst> @?? hell sentinel name Dis-Sent n_rpl 14:21:16 unknown monster: "hell sentinel name Dis-Sent n_rpl" 14:21:21 <|amethyst> @?? hell sentinel name:Dis-Sent n_rpl 14:21:21 Dis-Sent (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 124-162 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2907 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], iron shot (3d33) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:22:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 14:27:33 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:35 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:17 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 14:36:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:37:36 Lasty_, btw I reported what I think is a minor bug with Ru 14:37:48 !bug 9578 14:37:48 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9578 14:38:59 Oh, huh. I'll have to look into that. 14:39:46 !learn edit lasty_to_do[-1 s/$/Sac Love and Summon Forest, Recall, Simulacrum, and most summon spells;/ 14:39:46 lasty to do[10/10]: 0.17: do something about spectral weapon; consider monsters worth removing; add new channeling monsters; mp scaling; do something about raise skeleton and animate dead; do something about gargoyle being "non-living" and make mummies actually immune to poison;Sac Love and Summon Forest, Recall, Simulacrum, and most summon spells; 14:40:30 Oh 14:40:32 Right 14:40:46 Er, no, never mind. 14:41:13 In any case, elliptic was suggesting that we not allow the player to summon guaranteed-hostile monsters under Sac Love 14:41:24 (using summon spells, anyway) 14:41:29 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:34 how would you memorise the summon spells? 14:41:51 oh so they aren't greyed out because they "work" just not in your favor? :P 14:41:52 wheals: currently you aren't banned from memorizing summon spells under sac love 14:42:07 ah 14:42:14 i assumed it worked like sac arcana 14:42:14 n1k: I can't recall if they're meant to be greyed out as "useless" 14:42:26 wheals: no, sac arcana for Summonings is different 14:42:27 the whole point is you can recall 14:42:38 >_> 14:42:48 You wake up in a daze, and can't recall much. 14:42:51 haha 14:42:54 you can abjure :p 14:43:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:44:08 I guess things like lamp of fire might still be useful with "hated by all" 14:44:46 Yeah, the elemental evokers still do their thing, they just summon hostile elementals 14:44:46 since you still get clouds. And I mean it's a really niche case with summon forest but I don't think anyone sane would want to cast that primarily for its "turn walls to trees" effect 14:45:04 . . . what happens if you set the Summon Forest trees on fire? 14:45:11 I've never tried 14:45:14 this is a bcadren tech--digging 14:45:18 yes 14:45:18 it's also summon water 14:45:23 |amethyst: I'm not sure how you feel about weighing in on this right now, but did you have a strong opinion on where we'd move the repo to? 14:45:27 wont generate forest in stone or other walls though 14:45:31 "unfortunately" 14:45:32 and "LCS something" if you have high invo, because Phial can do sick damage 14:45:58 -!- agentgt has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:15 if I shadow form as a dragon will I still be a dragon 14:46:29 no, only one form at a time 14:46:41 damn it thats what I thought 14:46:59 so felid shadow dragon ninja is a no go 14:47:30