00:00:17 <|amethyst> %git 95bcd36 00:00:18 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-2177-g95bcd36: Allow cursed items to have a cosmetic flag too. 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95bcd365aaf0 00:00:31 <|amethyst> %git e59807d 00:00:31 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-2176-ge59807d: Remove the chance for unbranded enchanted items to have a cosmetic flag. 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e59807da8f77 00:01:05 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.1-0-g069a05e 00:01:57 <|amethyst> yes, ?V is fine 00:02:09 <|amethyst> that's just sizzell being extra verbose 00:02:23 ? 00:02:31 are you talking to a bot i've ignored 00:02:32 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:48 <|amethyst> chequers: Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.1-0-g069a05e 00:03:04 aha 00:03:11 <|amethyst> chequers: I was just saying that it doesn't say "-0-g069a05e" in game, just "0.16.1" 00:03:27 <|amethyst> in case gammafunk was worried 00:03:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: thanks for being our 0.16 release manager btw :) 00:05:58 -!- tf_ is now known as Guest14427 00:06:04 It's definitely normal that unIDed mundane items can be cursed and negative, whether that's desirable is debatable 00:07:04 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:35 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:21 <|amethyst> could come from a vault 00:09:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:05 -!- Ciappina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:09 <|amethyst> but, yeah, _{weapon,armour}_is_visibly_special checks item.plus > 0 00:12:01 <|amethyst> as does plus-squashing 00:12:43 |amethyst: np 00:12:55 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-128-g90bd1c5 (34) 00:13:06 <|amethyst> so negative non-artefact equipment with no brand would not get a cosmetic flag under normal circumstances 00:13:33 |amethyst: rast: yeah that was treeform; specifically from 0.14, before wheals accidentally fixed it when simplifying some other behavior 00:13:41 (treeform used to be always... large? big? giant? one of those.) 00:13:52 (which caused weird interactions with deep water & flight) 00:14:47 -!- Gamesmaster1965 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:54 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:17:37 heh 00:17:56 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:25:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:26:11 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-128-g90bd1c5 (34) 00:26:52 iirc I had to play in a version that didn't have !lig, so I had to spam /poly at myself until it worked 00:26:56 good times 00:27:24 What does Treeform do to EV now? I know the huge size used to be intentional because of the effect on that. 00:27:35 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.1-0-g069a05e 00:30:46 Bcadren, it just gives you very low EV 00:33:27 -!- Guest14427 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:37:10 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:38:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:53 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:11 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:53 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:46:00 !calc 0.67**2 00:46:13 0.45 00:48:19 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:52:03 -!- walterch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:10 is there some way to profile running crawl games? 00:53:10 I do think VM need something, though seriously... 00:53:55 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 00:55:37 -!- quasiChaos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:08 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:31 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:56:41 The En starter book has an 'ignores MR' spell now; VM feels like it would something (even something weak) that ignores rPois. 00:58:47 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59:33 Bcadren, I'm sure a more appropriate comparison would be, say, fire elementalist or ice elementalist? 01:00:55 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:40 Yea sure; rPois is a lot more common and significant early (Lair level) than significant rF or rC to trouble FE or IE. And IE even has a spell to pierce rC (Icicle). Spiny Frogs, Death Yaks and Hydras are completely immune to the entire VM start book. 01:02:19 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:40 Maybe a polymorph effect? 01:02:49 Radiation-poisoning? 01:02:57 <|amethyst> they are not completely immune to the book 01:03:00 I just won a VM and would agree that it is a bit weaker than other conjurations backgrounds. I don't think it's a bad thing to have a background that requires branching out and finding other ways to kill things. Nor do I think it's bad to have some backgrounds be weaker than others. Also I think venom bolt does do damage to rPois monsters 01:03:12 s/I think// 01:03:45 <|amethyst> they don't take much damage, but they're not immune 01:03:48 Some kind of toxin that slows / confuses, a. la. curare? 01:03:51 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:04:04 I know the manual or tutorial or description text said something about VM being an easy background to start. If that is still the case I'd support changing the text 01:04:15 but I don't think the balance is especially bad or anything like that 01:04:54 What other poison-type effects exist already in the game that are not literally poison? Paralysis? 01:05:03 Petrification? 01:05:04 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:10 Weakness. 01:05:15 [nods] 01:05:18 hy-on-github, there is some precedent for para/slow, as well, since wasps inflict it 01:05:24 Did the double damage bug increase healing from vampiric weapons? 01:05:49 Poison could blind. (real poisons blind). 01:06:27 <|amethyst> but rpois protects against paralysis from wasps 01:06:30 so does real fire, ice, earth, weapons, etc etc 01:06:37 <|amethyst> so I'm not sure that's a great comparison 01:06:40 Wasps, basilisk, curare / other specialty needles, orange demons... oh, that's a creative idea --- blinding like spitting cobras! 01:07:00 hm 01:07:17 What else is there .. .. .. 01:07:36 there's not changing vm, because I don't think it's actually weak? 01:07:39 I guess constriction effects (convulsions) 01:07:46 has someone suggested this approach 01:08:13 -!- Gobbo is now known as GoblinBomb 01:08:20 -!- ythm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:25 gammafunk, well I said as much, though I do think it's weaker than other conjurations starts it's not by very much 01:08:45 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:10 Is it really weak? Or merely one-dimensional? 01:09:44 (and stamped with an "expires-by" date requiring branching out into X) 01:10:00 gammafunk: I was going to but I got distracted 01:10:17 PleasingFungus: well do you think you can implement my approach? 01:10:21 ok 01:11:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:11:17 hy-on-github that...is a good point... it does two things. Confusion and damage over time. And rPois blocks every spell except P. Arrow. Meph and Alistairs are two of my favorite spells, but the rest seem very dull. 01:12:53 const bool DRAGON_WEIGHT = fewer_dragons ? 0 : 20; 01:12:57 I need to stop programming while asleep 01:12:59 <|amethyst> turn venom bolt into bolt of acidic venom 01:13:21 <|amethyst> with a different resist fraction 01:13:25 <|amethyst> don't think it's necessary though 01:14:15 Is acid too powerful? 01:14:29 0 dragons is fewer dragons to be fair 01:14:30 that's a non-question, hy-on-github 01:14:35 Agree that it's a creatively poison-type effect 01:14:48 the hypothetical spell could be tuned to whatever power we want 01:14:53 ok 01:15:20 My thinking is colored, perhaps, by acid blobs and yellow draconians :) 01:15:35 Colored as in "yellow == pain" 01:15:37 No to acid magic in poison school. 01:15:38 does corrosion actually have an affect on monsters, or is it just acid damage 01:15:41 No now, no tomorrow, no for-ever. 01:15:46 gammafunk: it does on monsters that wear armour 01:15:56 ah, lowers their ac temporarily? 01:15:57 gammafunk, I think it does (or did?) cause bleeding 01:15:57 specifically, it straight up halves their AC for the duration 01:16:19 I remember spending a while trying to get dispater to pick up a robe (wizmode testing) to see if you could halve his ac 01:16:21 but he refused :( 01:16:31 hee hee 01:16:45 how much ac to monsters get from their armour, same as player? 01:16:55 I think it's the base AC 01:17:05 ah, but no enchant 01:17:05 there's a funny note somewhere... 01:17:05 PleasingFungus: I've seen Dispater wearing IDA before 01:17:12 oh, no, I mean - not multipled by armour skill 01:17:21 oh ok 01:17:46 !source monster.cc:921 01:17:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l921 01:18:02 PleasingFungus is against acid in poison, because corrosion is almost the same as PleasingFungus's irradiation effect. :P 01:18:11 // For consistency with players, we should multiply this by 1 + (skill/22), where skill may be HD. 01:18:18 I forget if I ever did the archaeology to date this comment 01:18:25 but I wouldn't be surprised if it was pre-stone-soup 01:18:29 interesting... 01:18:36 Ironically, in that game I needed an IDA for a trove, and Dispater's IDA was the first I could find anywhere 01:18:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:53 n1k: to clarify, the ac is *not* multiplied, whoever wrote that said it should be 01:18:56 magicpoints: heh 01:18:58 good loot! 01:19:07 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-128-g90bd1c5 (34) 01:19:11 bet the trove just had bread and decks 01:19:22 and centaur, not naga barding 01:19:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not very old at all 01:19:30 <|amethyst> %git 6a475375 01:19:30 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-715-g6a47537: Unduplicate the code for calculating AC a monster gets from armour. 10(2 years, 7 months ago, 2 files, 17+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a475375dd6f 01:19:31 PleasingFungus, thanks, I wasn't totally sure 01:19:51 huh 01:19:55 shows what I know 01:20:10 irradiation is also a cool poison-type effect, true enough 01:20:28 New branch created: acqreform (3 commits) 01:20:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[acqreform] * 0.17-a0-128-g2f6ca8a: Tweak check_armour_size to take subtypes 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 56+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f6ca8a96065 01:20:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[acqreform] * 0.17-a0-129-gdcd451f: Export player_shield_racial_factor() 10(26 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcd451f60965 01:20:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[acqreform] * 0.17-a0-130-g915a185: First pass on rewriting armour acq 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 263+ 294-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=915a18541c26 01:21:24 feels good to add half a dozen new block-commented functions & still have a net negative on lines 01:21:32 :) 01:22:01 oh, hm 01:22:08 // We check for the mutation directly to avoid acquirement fiddles with vampires. 01:22:16 need to investigate whether I broke whatever this is talking about 01:22:49 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:23:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that's why it uses you.mutation[] instead of player_mutation_level() 01:24:07 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so suppression for blood level doesn't matter 01:24:48 heh: Xom can no longer give useless armour gifts. This is a bug 01:24:49 and I'm going to fix it in a later commit. 01:24:56 <|amethyst> but I think that means it counts temp mutations? 01:25:00 ah. but... is it possible for helmet-blocking muts to get suppressed by vampire blood stuff...? 01:25:28 <|amethyst> it's form-based anyway 01:25:37 <|amethyst> so even without blood there's transformations 01:25:57 <|amethyst> (and I think blood uses the form-based flag nowadays?) 01:25:59 you.can_wear specifically excludes forms 01:26:01 I think 01:26:17 player_mutation_level(MUT_HORNS, false) etc 01:27:14 <|amethyst> ah, I see, so why have that || at all 01:27:39 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:58 I have no answer 01:27:59 <|amethyst> oh 01:28:02 ? 01:28:06 <|amethyst> hm 01:28:52 <|amethyst> no, no clue 01:28:54 rip 01:28:59 crawlcode?? 01:28:59 Come get some. ~ https://twitter.com/crawlcode 01:29:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0a1/20141207030205]] 01:29:06 notcluei 01:30:43 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:31:29 Aim: Dispater, wielding a golden staff, wearing an ice dragon armour and wearing a ring of ice (moderately wounded) 01:32:14 hax 01:35:06 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus at the time the code started to look like it currently does, you_can_wear did not check mutations. %git 0.5-a0-407-ge44a4d8 01:35:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:35:38 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:37:12 . . . Another Elemental question: Is "hellfire" a 'subclass' of "fire" . . . ? 01:37:46 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:37:56 you take more hellfire damage if you have rf- so yes 01:38:07 ( I was noting that Hellfire did not clear my freezing clouds as a TeIE. Is this by intent? ) 01:38:19 but besides things like deep dwarf damage shaving you cant really reduce the damage 01:38:46 ( Whereas I tested with Fire Giants and those fireballs cleared the clouds as expected ) 01:40:30 Does Hellfire just not last long enough to evaporate clouds, then? 01:40:37 Like a nuclear flash effect? 01:41:55 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:21 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:46:15 (Basically: Is this a bug or is this working-as-intended?) 01:46:28 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:46:42 ??wild magic card 01:46:42 wild magic card[1/1]: Causes a miscast effect, higher power will yield nastier miscasts. 01:46:54 miscast targets the monsters? not me? 01:47:22 you atm I should think 01:49:09 so it the strategy to draw it when you aren't near enemies so you can get to the next card? 01:49:25 or just toss the deck? (sorry for asking in here, didn't get a response in ##crawl) 01:49:26 I guess it's an "avoid" card 01:49:41 Like "shaft" can be 01:49:55 So yes, draw in isolation 01:50:19 if you feel you can handle it 01:51:44 my evoke is small so I'll probably avoid 01:52:07 its just a bad card 01:52:25 like famine for instance 01:52:54 basically one of the (many) reasons to id decks prior to drawing? 01:53:01 sure 01:53:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-128-g90bd1c5 01:55:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:57:45 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00:34 if you're not a mel worshipper, sure 02:01:30 nemelex* 02:01:46 -!- Walttt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:40 -!- jspengler has quit [] 02:12:06 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:15:38 that learndb entry is out of date 02:15:59 wild magic card causes miscasts on all monsters in LOS now instead 02:16:52 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s/.*/Causes miscast effects on hostile monsters in LOS and restores some of your MP for each monster. 02:16:53 wild magic card[1/1]: Causes miscast effects on hostile monsters in LOS and restores some of your MP for each monster. 02:18:54 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s/$/ Monsters can resist a miscast; the chance of them succeeding goes up with their HD and down with your card power. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:18:54 wild magic card[1/1]: Causes miscast effects on hostile monsters in LOS and restores some of your MP for each monster. Monsters can resist a miscast; the chance of them succeeding goes up with their HD and down with your card power. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:19:02 oh, nice 02:19:09 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:22 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s/some of your MP/1d5-1 MP 02:19:22 wild magic card[1/1]: Causes miscast effects on hostile monsters in LOS and restores 1d5-1 MP for each monster. Monsters can resist a miscast; the chance of them succeeding goes up with their HD and down with your card power. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:20:17 does resisting the miscast reduce your mp regen? 02:20:31 !learn add wild_magic_card In 0.14 and older versions, only causes a miscast effect on you. 02:20:32 wild magic card[2/2]: In 0.14 and older versions, only causes a miscast effect on you. 02:20:55 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s/each monster/each monster that doesn't resist 02:20:55 wild magic card[1/2]: Causes miscast effects on hostile monsters in LOS and restores 1d5-1 MP for each monster that doesn't resist. Monsters can resist a miscast; the chance of them succeeding goes up with their HD and down with your card power. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:22:27 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.1-0-g069a05e 02:22:29 ??badlearndb 02:22:29 badlearndb[1/1]: badentries are gone 02:22:33 :P 02:22:46 thanks minmay 02:23:05 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s|Monsters.*your card power|A monster is affected by a miscast with probability ([card power level+1]*5+1d5-1)/[monster HD]. 02:23:05 wild magic card[1/2]: Causes miscast effects on hostile A monster is affected by a miscast with probability ([card power level+1]*5+1d5-1)/[monster HD].. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:23:09 fuck 02:24:03 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s/.*/Attempts to cause a miscast effect on every hostile monster in LOS. A monster is affected with probability ([card power level+1]*5+1d5-1)/[monster HD]. For each affected monster, you gain 1d5-1 MP. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:24:03 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 02:24:20 !learn edit wild_magic_card[1] s|.*|Attempts to cause a miscast effect on every hostile monster in LOS. A monster is affected with probability ([card power level+1]*5+1d5-1)/[monster HD]. For each affected monster, you gain 1d5-1 MP. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:24:21 wild magic card[1/2]: Attempts to cause a miscast effect on every hostile monster in LOS. A monster is affected with probability ([card power level+1]*5+1d5-1)/[monster HD]. For each affected monster, you gain 1d5-1 MP. Miscast power increases with card power. 02:25:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:26:45 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:26:59 what does a monster miscast do? 02:28:07 -!- lkjaldkfja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:37 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:29:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:33:39 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:09 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-128-g90bd1c5 (34) 02:44:49 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:47:06 0.16 tiles version keeps crashing on android 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9569 by thisismiee 02:56:43 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:58:29 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 03:03:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:04:27 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:02 chequers: you think it's worth it? does the page load so slow for you? it's lightning fast here 03:10:33 chequers: a separate host always means separate costs & extra maintenance 03:11:08 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12:19 -!- HoloIRCUser has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13:21 it's fast for you, because you live in the same country as the server :-) 03:13:50 also, the cost is something I'd happily pay, but there are free CDNs like cloudfront 03:14:14 no way cloudfront 03:14:21 they are unacceptable 03:14:29 oh? 03:14:37 oh, I meant cloudflare anyway, which is the free one 03:14:43 me, too ;) 03:14:49 why? 03:15:22 on a separate vhost for the landing page only - maybe 03:15:37 yes, that's what I suggest 03:15:44 but CF is terrible for letting anything non-javascript access something 03:16:06 you are forcing everyone to have js enabled 03:16:14 with CF 03:16:30 -!- ___miek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:16:39 fair enough 03:19:48 ( test load times with http://tools.pingdom.com/ or similar tool ) 03:20:30 well, the front page is about 1mb total, so at 10c/gb i'm personally very happy to cover the CDN costs 03:22:08 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 03:27:50 ( http://gtmetrix.com/ might be more informative ) 03:29:33 in 8 month or 2014 there were 93 million hits, 61 million so-called "not viewed" (crawlers, scripts), chequers 03:29:43 *in 8 month _of_ 2014 03:29:58 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30:28 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Quit: hy-on-github] 03:30:50 2015 up until now we have already 41 million hits 03:31:06 what is a hit? one page? 03:31:14 yes 03:33:06 / and /wordpress have together 169494 "viewed" hits 03:34:31 roughly 16$ for 3 months - using your numbers from above 03:35:39 yeah that would be fine for me 03:39:15 oh, sorry, the entire site is 0.75k 03:39:18 0.75m 03:39:27 so front page is probably half that, so halve your numbers 03:49:53 anyway what do you think? I'll transfer you the domain name and add you to the cdn account if you agree 03:55:20 -!- ScioMin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:05:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08:01 -!- read has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:33 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:51 -!- read has quit [Client Quit] 04:10:55 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:10 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:40 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:21:34 chequers, let's take a step back and think about it first 04:22:05 things like animations or screenshots not working, because javascript is off, is not a big problem 04:22:41 preventing people from visiting the website at all because of javascript being off (or not working properly!) is quite a difference 04:22:48 hold on, I'm not suggesting we use cloudflare 04:23:47 I'm suggesting AWS Cloudfront, or Rackspace, which both work 100% with javascript 04:24:39 can't read up on them now, bit busy at work 04:25:18 startpage.crawl.develz.org on separate hoster, you mean? 04:25:19 you can see a live preview of cloudfront here: https://dcssgame.com/ , which works fine without js 04:25:51 I was thinking you host the virtualhost on CDO, and we point the CDN at that as a backend 04:26:03 but don't need to put the backend on CDO if you want it elsewhere 04:26:42 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:27:33 so dcssgame.com is actually a reverse proxy? 04:28:31 well, it's a CDN, which is vaguely like a geoDNS reverse proxy 04:28:55 there's a single static webserver ("origin"), 30 global caches 04:29:11 aren't we all set already then? 04:29:36 I was also suggesting a new domain name :) 04:29:37 in that case it doesn't really matter what the backend uses (ssl or not, gzip or not, etc) 04:30:16 right 04:30:20 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:30:21 preparing dinner, back in 10 04:30:26 dcssgame is not so bad 04:30:33 not sure what else we could use 04:30:49 everythin xyz.crawl.develz.org would be too long, me thinks 04:31:06 well, it's not totally correct the backend is irrelevant 04:31:15 i'm rather thinking to rewrite ^/wordpress/$ to go / 04:31:25 the CDN is a pass-through cache. if the backend server doesn't generate gzip, the CDN can't gzip 04:31:31 because that's the link/bookmark most use 04:31:48 that makes sense 04:31:50 i don't think you are right 04:32:06 or, at least, that would be weird 04:32:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:26 If you want to serve compressed content from a custom origin, you must configure your web server to compress your content using gzip; CloudFront doesn't support other compression algorithms. When a viewer requests a compressed file from CloudFront—when the request includes Accept-Encoding: gzip in the request header—CloudFront caches the file that is returned by your origin, regardless of whether the file is com 04:32:26 adding ssl on top is not a problem, so gzipping shouldn't be either 04:32:43 -!- monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:33:26 but gzip is the top layer 04:33:39 that's the whole problem 04:34:02 you request gzip, unzip the result, use the ssl data from within 04:35:35 if that were true, what you just quoted, then we would have a ssl-certificate problem already - no? 04:36:56 gzip <- ssl <- http 04:37:19 i had the impression that's the order, and there's culprit 04:38:15 correct me if i'm wrong 04:38:30 but i don't see how it could work 04:39:08 sorry, was finishing dinner 04:39:27 I don' 04:39:32 t really understand what you're saying 04:39:32 sounds like if cloudfront is used with gzip there can't be ssl in play? as it'll just pass on "file returned by your origin", which contains the ssl stuff already then 04:39:51 ah, it's not a live reverse proxy 04:39:56 think of it more like squid 04:40:24 i was - but what you just quoted makes me not so sure anymore ;) 04:40:25 you request https://dcssgame.com/, that request goes to the CDN. The CDN replays your request to the backend, saves the result, and returns it to you 04:41:00 but then, dcssgame.com would serve a site with ssl-certificate for crawl.develz.org as CN 04:41:30 no, the CDN would have a rule like "requests matching ^/.*$ go to https://crawl.devlz.org/$1 04:42:27 for instance, this is the backend of my test site: http://dcss-homepage.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ 04:42:35 it's http 04:42:37 make it https 04:42:42 and gzip 04:42:56 i think it'll not work then 04:43:02 the backend can be http or https, it doesn't matter 04:43:10 but for compressing it does 04:43:12 but gzip does matter 04:43:15 right 04:43:18 as compressing is the last step 04:43:35 before the server sends out the reply 04:43:53 oh, hang on 04:44:00 the CDN has the SSL certificate 04:44:33 you mean they are spoofing the ssl certificate data in the gzipped data? 04:44:41 *replacing 04:45:00 ah, I think your understanding of HTTPS is wrong. SSL wraps compression 04:45:11 SSL later contains gzipped HTTP layer 04:45:17 i think your understanding about that is wrong ;) 04:45:24 gzip <- ssl <- http 04:45:38 that's why it's exploitable, according to ssllabs 04:45:44 no 04:45:48 -!- Palyth has quit [] 04:46:00 almost nothing supports SSL/TLS compression 04:46:47 "The only browsers that ever supported TLS compression were Firefox and Chrome. IE, Safari, Opera have never supported it. Firefox and Chrome have disabled TLS compression in their latest versions." 04:47:06 http://security.stackexchange.com/a/20229 04:52:19 i had the impression i read up on ssl+gzip, not tls compression 04:52:36 but i can't find it in my history at the moment 04:52:46 i will read again when i get home 04:53:36 fwiw, you can see my test site uses gzip, in fact only gzip is supported (no uncompressed versions of the content) 04:54:04 but your origin is without ssl 04:54:23 trust me man -- it doesn't matter :) 04:54:30 I run these for a living 04:54:37 not yet ;) 04:54:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:55:17 but if what your saying is correct, then enabling gzip is not a problem 04:56:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 04:59:01 but since you are working with this anyways, could you send an apache snippet my way to enable gzip on the correct files only, chequers? 04:59:25 -!- gopnik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:59:48 bleh apache :) 05:00:04 if we do a separate vhost that will solve the issue, right? 05:00:17 I looked into apache snippets to conditually enable compression -- not pretty 05:01:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 05:04:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11:54 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:58 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:28 -!- bgiannan has quit [Client Quit] 05:21:03 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:48 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:34:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:39:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:42:24 -!- hy-on-github has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:39 Hi! 05:42:50 Is there a known Ash bug in 0.16? 05:43:10 Just joined, says "hands are bound" on "^" screen 05:43:19 However this is not, in fact, true. 05:44:09 (cbro GrEE Ash, lvl 7, new game, 0.16 tournament edition) 05:44:50 " 05:44:51 Title - Cursed 05:44:52 Favour - Ashenzari is noncommittal. 05:44:54 Your hands are bound. 05:44:55 You are not bound in armour and magic. 05:44:56 You are not bound. 05:44:57 " 05:45:16 inv: Q - a +0 dagger of venom (weapon) 05:45:46 and: x - a +0 buckler (worn). 05:49:28 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:55:57 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:02:16 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:16:04 -!- oberstein has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number] 06:17:47 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:29:36 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:33 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:38 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:17 -!- mumra_ has quit [Client Quit] 06:43:46 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:44:10 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Quit: hy-on-github] 06:45:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:47:38 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:47:55 chequers: Page size: 12,141 - Compressed size: 3,613 - Saving: 8,528 bytes 06:49:19 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:49:20 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:54 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:06:40 -!- Ironfoot has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:51 so melee damage doubled again? 07:07:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:09:32 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 07:10:59 -!- ScioMin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:12:13 -!- umi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:14:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:16:47 -!- ScioMin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:26:16 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:27:31 Napkin: ? 07:28:30 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:33:28 -!- CacoS_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:34:19 enabled DEFLATE on apache, for selected mimetypes, chequers 07:42:13 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:54:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:00:17 -!- memorygoround has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:27 let my coming and passing haunt these damned halls but 08:00:36 do not presume that I want to or will do any more work here 08:00:42 (please flee and do not look back) 08:00:51 may the few of you who deserve it have mercy on one another 08:00:52 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:00:58 but nobody deserves what we do through this 08:01:03 (please let the ouroboros fast) 08:01:05 -!- memorygoround has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:32 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:06:13 chequers: it looks like CPO is still bugged? 08:06:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11:18 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338]] 08:13:43 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:53 waiting for enough cpu credits 08:16:57 -!- tcsc has quit [Client Quit] 08:19:35 Napkin: nice, more responsive already 08:22:13 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:48 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:23:06 -!- coffee` has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:23:09 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:46 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:33:23 !tell simmarine rF- hasn't increased hellfire damage for monsters for a while, and i'm not sure whether it ever did for players 08:33:24 wheals: OK, I'll let simmarine know. 08:36:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:40 This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.16.1 08:39:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:11 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:41:55 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:18 -!- nonethousand is now known as Guest89816 08:43:52 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:03 -!- Lokkij has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:48:04 !tell pleasingfungus dammit, i was going to rewrite you_can_wear and now i'll have conflicts with your branch because of the comment changes :P 08:48:05 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:48:14 or change, rather 08:52:49 -!- tcsc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:47 i guess i can actually just do it on that branch 08:54:50 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 09:03:25 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04:10 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:12:09 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:16:57 is tstbtto a client-side bot? 09:17:31 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:19:27 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:24:01 i thought it was a qw derivative? 09:25:14 yes I saw that now 09:25:29 at frist I only saw unmodified rcfiles for it 09:25:30 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:44 but it's another qw-branch then 09:26:28 "Stepping ~*~*~tactically~*~*~" gives it away :) 09:28:37 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:29:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:08 &rc tstbtto 09:30:09 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/tstbtto.rc 09:31:32 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:42 thx 09:32:24 so bloax is probably the first human player (even with a few Lua functions) on this list, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/fastest-wins-time.html 09:32:54 aw 09:33:04 !tell simmarine we demoted you, you're not a human anymore 09:33:04 wheals: OK, I'll let simmarine know. 09:34:21 no, simm is first :) 09:34:37 TAS_2012v: there's an easier way to do this: 09:34:41 !lg * won min=dur !@bot 09:34:48 27809. simm the Axe Maniac (L25 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-13 22:16:44, with 2056825 points after 45946 turns and 0:54:50. 09:34:53 an even easier way: 09:34:56 !lg !bot won min=dur 09:34:57 :P 09:35:01 27809. simm the Axe Maniac (L25 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-13 22:16:44, with 2056825 points after 45946 turns and 0:54:50. 09:35:06 and 09:35:13 !lg * won min=dur !@bot !meleebug 09:35:18 26280. ophanim the Conqueror (L24 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-10 17:17:43, with 2024795 points after 43516 turns and 1:08:12. 09:35:20 hehe 09:35:25 1nick human (!bot) * 09:36:17 wheals: I'm not really a fan of that syntax because it is less clear how to generalize it to exclude multiple nicks 09:36:24 it is indeed shorter though :P 09:37:53 meleebug seems to be showing up prominently here http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/per-day.html 09:38:33 yeah, the win spike is larger than it should be because of meleebug 09:39:05 and the game spike is less large I guess because less dying 09:39:07 -!- name is now known as tabstorm 09:39:27 ot it is a declining trend :/ 09:39:31 or 09:39:38 ? 09:39:49 in the last three tournament spikes 09:40:08 well people dying less fully explains fewer games being played 09:40:17 good 09:40:23 winrate also increased in the last tourney 09:40:33 just less dramatically (and less buggily) 09:40:48 in general "number of games" is not a great statistic 09:40:49 many players are probably getting better 09:41:18 even with new players entering, the number of really good players is much higher now than 1-2 years ago I think 09:41:39 I don't think there is really evidence that players have been getting better at a higher rate than they used to 09:41:43 and maybe even the ratio, don't know 09:41:57 since there have been various changes to the game also 09:42:13 it would be very dificult to differentiate 09:42:21 e.g. a lot of people's reaction to meleebug (before we knew for sure that it was a bug) was just "players are getting a lot better" 09:42:52 no one wants to think that there is a bug 09:43:01 much rather think that they've improved 09:43:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:43:03 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:43:08 and recent versions have consistently made the game easier even without bugs 09:43:10 -!- speranza_ is now known as speranza 09:43:20 but I was surprised by one of the few chars I've played this tournament 09:43:31 having such an easy time 09:43:54 though I hadn't played much with Jiyva before, so I attributed it to that 09:45:08 I definitely found it weird how hard I hit in melee but I just assumed I was imagining things since I hadn't/haven't played much lately 09:45:37 -!- Sczcya has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:26 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 09:56:31 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:03:19 -!- jspengler has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:30 !tell pleasingfungus if you're curious, i'm uniting you_can_wear/you_tran_can_wear and moving all the armour logic from the former into can_wear_armour 10:03:31 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:03:35 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:05:22 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:05:22 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:33 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:58 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:56 !won * t DD-- meleebug 10:06:57 * (t DD-- meleebug) has won 61 times in 1529 games (3.99%): 19xDDBe 14xDDFi 6xDDAK 5xDDGl 4xDDNe 3xDDAr 2xDDAs 2xDDWn 1xDDAM 1xDDEE 1xDDFE 1xDDMo 1xDDSk 1xDDWr 10:07:01 !won * t DD-- !meleebug 10:07:02 * (t DD-- !meleebug) has won 3 times in 564 games (0.53%): 1xDDAK 1xDDBe 1xDDNe 10:08:22 !won * t dd meleebug !boring !@bot 10:08:23 * (t dd meleebug !boring !@bot) has won 59 times in 577 games (10.23%): 18xDDBe 14xDDFi 6xDDAK 4xDDGl 4xDDNe 3xDDAr 2xDDAs 2xDDWn 1xDDAM 1xDDEE 1xDDFE 1xDDMo 1xDDSk 1xDDWr 10:08:31 !won * t dd !meleebug !boring !@bot 10:08:32 * (t dd !meleebug !boring !@bot) has won 3 times in 168 games (1.79%): 1xDDAK 1xDDBe 1xDDNe 10:10:26 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 10:11:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:13:11 |amethyst: ahh - I actually did the same code archaeology & traced it to the same commit, but I hadn't thought to check the state of you_can_wear in that commit 10:13:11 PleasingFungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:13:30 !tell wheals rekd (also nice!!!) 10:13:31 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:24:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:25:34 !tell simmarine You don't take more hellfire damage with rF-....... 10:25:34 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let simmarine know. 10:25:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:26:19