00:00:29 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.0-17-g811c1d7 00:00:34 can do 00:00:56 chequers: yeah if you could summarize the old/new % in the commit, that'd be nice 00:01:02 for all the brands 00:01:28 (and more generally I like changing the total weight to 100 and making the numbers rounder, there's no real reason why something like this needs to have ugly numbers given that it isn't really that significant a balance point) 00:02:19 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.0-17-g811c1d7 00:03:40 ??brand weapon 00:03:40 scroll of brand weapon[1/3]: Adds a random brand to an unbranded or branded (non-artefact, non-blowgun) weapon (see[2]). Rebranding away from wielded distortion does not cause a distortion unwield effect in 0.15+ 00:03:43 ??brand weapon[2 00:03:44 scroll of brand weapon[2/3]: Brands melee weapons to: 19.0% flaming, 19.0% freezing, 15.8% vorpal, 12.7% venom, 9.49% drain, 9.49% electrocution, 7.59% protection, 5.06% vampiricism, 1.90% chaos. Ranged weapons: 25% flame, 25% frost, 16.6% venom, 16.6% vorpal, 10% evasion, 4.2% electrocution, 2.5% chaos. Reroll if same as current brand or disliked by your god. 00:04:17 -!- mp[crawl] is now known as magicpoints 00:04:18 venom the same chance as vorpal on launchers, but not on melee weapons. good 00:04:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:04:40 are you being sarcastic? 00:04:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 00:04:54 yes 00:05:08 don't worry chequers, you'll get better at detecting minmay sarcasm 00:05:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-119-g2b06fc5 (34) 00:05:36 one problem with making the relative chances the same is there are a different number of potential brands for ranged & melee 00:06:07 isn't vorpal also a lot better than flame/freezing on launchers? 00:06:25 gammafunk: well that's only because ammo brands exist which is pretty bad in itself 00:06:31 yeah 00:06:36 i don't know at all, I just figured I'd make those numbers pretty too 00:07:08 chequers: why can't melee have 14.25% vorpal 14.25% venom? 00:07:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 00:07:27 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:48 it could, why do you think that's better? 00:07:56 chequers: obviously you would not have 14.25% vorpal on melee weapons and 14.25% vorpal on launchers, but it is really weird to me that two brands have the same chance on launchers, and different chances on melee weapons 00:08:56 minmay: hang on, vorpal and venom have different chances in my patch. 22%/15% ranged, 18%/10% melee 00:09:23 chequers: that is less aesthetically bothersome, yes 00:09:32 I think you're talking from some unstated assumption about relative power levels I'm not quite understanding 00:09:47 this has absolutely nothing to do with power levels 00:09:57 the weight for vorpal and venom on launchers is 20 and 20, respectively 00:10:05 I guess you're reasoning is that either a melee weapon or launcher is a primary damage weapon and you reason about them thee same, so branding should have the same chances? 00:10:06 the weight for vorpal and venom on melee weapons is 25 and 20, respectively 00:10:13 I think this is weird 00:10:26 oh, are you talking about currently, not the patch? 00:10:28 yes 00:10:32 minmay: this discussion is about a patch 00:10:49 well, it's good to identify a problem to fix I suppose 00:11:32 it could be nice if these chances were reactive through the game. Once you're finished with D/Lair it's a bit pointless spawning venom brand 00:11:52 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:56 why? 00:12:01 ditto Draining, which I guess is rare because it's amazing until you hit rN+ creatures 00:12:01 chequers: not that'd be much more spoilery 00:12:05 still tons of stuff takes poison damage 00:12:15 also tons of stuff takes draining damage 00:12:32 so, why are those two brands much rarer than the "big three" (for want of a simpler phrase)? 00:12:33 just because some monsters start to resist isn't a reason not to generate those items 00:12:37 rN+ creatures don't really exist 00:12:48 and also drain was totally different when those weights were chosen 00:13:05 -!- jspengler has quit [] 00:14:09 -!- Hurricos has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:28 sorry, by rN+ I really just meant demons, who don't get drained, right? 00:14:31 chequers: I don't know who came up with the current brand chances but I think they kept vorpal/flaming/freezing high to be most similar to old ?brandweapon (it was ?vorpaliseweapon then) 00:14:46 if the idea is to make brand choice less spoilery I think that short of literally telling the player the chances, the only thing you can really do is give all brands equal probability 00:14:47 since those are the brands that that scroll made generally 00:14:50 @ontoclasm: Do you know who created the Ball Lightning tile? I just noticed it's similar to an emblem on the front of the Descent cover 00:15:01 chequers: ??things that do not exist 00:15:10 ? 00:15:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_(video_game) Ball lightning :O 00:15:16 chequers: demons are not a thing much in the 3-rune game 00:15:25 chequers: demons don't actually matter 00:15:29 elliptic: perhaps the chance should be flat then (barring chaos) 00:15:47 chequers: that would be a buff 00:15:58 yeah, more vampiric! 00:16:18 and more elec probably? I didn't actually look at the numbers 00:16:20 you could add holy wrath to make it worse 00:16:30 orc slaying 00:16:47 not having god-gifted brands was certainly intentional 00:16:57 ...then why does it have chaos? 00:17:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:17:16 probably because it isn't gifted in anywhere close to the same way? 00:17:16 the place I'm coming from is that there are all these cool buffs, but they're rarely seen even across multiple games. It'd be nice to see these brands a little more 00:17:20 minmay: Xom. 00:17:24 s/buffs/brands 00:17:48 chequers: which brands are you thinking of other than chaos? the others are all pretty common 00:17:50 chequers: they're really not rarely seen 00:18:00 elliptic: launcher electrocution I guess 00:18:05 pain, draining I see pretty rarely 00:18:25 chequers: not having god-gifted brands was certainly intentional 00:18:34 and draining is pretty common... 00:19:02 <|amethyst> !lg * recent ckaux~~of_pain 00:19:05 627. Derenoc the Grappler (L10 TrCK of Xom), mangled by a minotaur (a +0 demon trident of pain) in a Labyrinth (nicolae_lab_dead_adventurers) on 2015-03-19 19:59:56, with 7532 points after 9147 turns and 0:51:57. 00:19:06 <|amethyst> !lg * recent ckaux~~of_draining 00:19:09 2906. Arctor the Magician (L1 DEWz), slain by a kobold (a +2 dagger of draining) on D:1 on 2015-03-20 04:05:55, with 3 points after 97 turns and 0:01:34. 00:19:15 I think half the reason you don't see draining too often is that so many players don't know what it does :P 00:19:17 <|amethyst> !lg * recent ckaux~~of_flaming 00:19:20 3413. fender13076 the Spear-Bearer (L12 MfGl of Dithmenos), mangled by Rupert (a +2 great sword of flaming) (kmap: david_vaults_3) on D:13 on 2015-03-20 05:17:15, with 14448 points after 10631 turns and 0:45:23. 00:19:24 thanks, crawl wiki! 00:19:49 I guess if you were to evenly split melee brands, you'd end up with 12.5% chance for each and 6% for protection/chaos 00:20:27 why 6% for protection/chaos? especially protection 00:20:45 yes I'm very confused 00:21:08 Oh, I thought you folks would want to keep it rarer. I'm quite interested in the idea of making brand chance totally flat 00:21:19 More like 6.25% to be half of 12.5%? But vamp would be better than prot for being rare 00:22:19 -!- ContestWinner has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22:29 That is to say, vamp should probably be rarer 00:22:33 totally flat is a pretty bad idea just because brands like vamp and elec exist 00:22:34 would 9% chaos on melee weapons actually be that bad? It's not widely considered a great brand 00:22:49 vamp/elec/chaos are the three that I actually care about being rare on that list 00:22:49 gammafunk: if you made it totally flat then the chance of getting elec would be lower than it is now 00:23:03 oh really 00:23:15 minmay: no 00:23:16 oh, excuse me, I counted an extra one for some reason 00:23:32 i wonder how many brand weapon scrolls you find in a typical game 00:23:34 it would become 5% more common :P 00:23:40 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:23:49 chequers: objstat 00:23:52 if there's, say, 50% improvement in brands, how many more "good brands" do you get? 00:23:53 chequers: 2 avg maybe 00:23:59 yeah it's not a lot though 00:24:03 vamp is a bigger concern since you are basically doubling its weight 00:24:23 minmay: I would actually like elec weight to be lower than it is probably 00:24:29 minmay: Aha! You mentioned something about the ball lightning tile being from Descent, so I'm going to assume it was you and feel all empowered about noticing it. 00:24:38 Hurricos: it was me, yes 00:24:43 it felt like a large melee buff when ?brandweapon was added and I started having elec significantly more 00:24:56 I could see making elec rarer, sure 00:24:59 elliptic: you have to compensate for all the large melee nerfs at some point! 00:25:04 Perhaps this isn't the right time, but what about allowing the evasion on melee weapons? 00:25:19 minmay: if only there were large melee nerfs, yes 00:25:19 <|amethyst> and protection on ranged? 00:25:26 Thanks :> 00:25:28 elliptic: like when you removed MD!!! 00:26:00 the medical doctor class was just overpowered 00:26:05 elliptic: sorry im still trying to figure out how many exclamation marks i need to indicate that im being facetious!! 00:26:11 why is the protection/evasion split there? because evasion on melee and vice versa would be better? 00:26:14 minmay: yes I understood 00:26:29 Hurricos: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/search.php?author_id=62&keywords=descent&sr=posts&sf=all&ch=-1 00:26:37 chequers: just (somewhat strange) flavor I've always assumed 00:26:55 minmay: Thanks for the interest response, reading post 00:26:58 protection and evasion are kind of the same brand anyway 00:27:48 personally I'd rather remove evasion and give both melee and launchers protection 00:28:15 elliptic: to lower the weight of vamp/elec/chaos you could add speed brand 00:28:20 elliptic: that's not gifted by any god 00:28:27 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:29:06 you'd need to duplicate the 'no speed on qblade' check but I guess it's not too messy 00:29:28 chequers: he's not serious (I hope) 00:29:29 That was also facetious 00:31:05 how about slay orc 00:32:26 look what I made: https://www.dcssgame.com/ 00:32:48 Flying, glowing, repel missiles 00:33:02 just like real life i bet 00:33:48 !tell pleasingfungus "EOD FY2015" makes no sense FYI, but i'm on it 00:33:48 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:34:15 !gamesby rw t 00:34:15 rw (t) has played 7 games, between 2015-03-20 01:51:51 and 2015-03-20 03:05:31, won 0, high score 23961, total score 45302, total turns 54465, play-time/day 0:50:47, total time 0:50:47. 00:34:16 chequers: hm, one of the players showing up there isn't actually playing 00:36:08 yes, it's not realtime 00:36:19 (context: conversation we had yesterday) 00:36:48 the live-game display will always be ~5mins out of date, but right now for this proof of concept site it's not being updated at all 00:36:57 ah, okay 00:37:48 |amethyst: is it a problem if an in-progress game vanishes from a server? I'm considering adding the ability for players to download a save to take offline, deleting it online 00:37:58 |amethyst: problem for Sequell is what I mostly mean 00:38:22 <|amethyst> it should generate a log entry saying the game was quit 00:38:25 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:49 <|amethyst> otherwise it lets you save a streak when things go bad 00:39:09 <|amethyst> (or could be a new ktyp) 00:39:18 killed by clippy 00:39:19 <|amethyst> that would require some kind of support in game 00:39:24 <|amethyst> crawl -quit name 00:39:26 <|amethyst> or something 00:39:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:39:53 <|amethyst> since the webserver and dgl don't have enough information to make that log entry 00:40:22 fr please, since i already implemented the webtiles side of it 00:40:23 |amethyst: we'd also want it to generate a morgue file probably 00:40:32 :3 00:40:40 <|amethyst> elliptic: yeah, it was pointed out that wizmode does not 00:40:52 yes, that's why I thought of it here 00:43:05 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:43:41 chequers: I'm a little worried about it making it harder for devs to get copies of possibly bugged saves, since players who encounter a nasty bug might just download their save to poke at it offline and then even if they report the bug the evidence might be lost 00:44:36 can always have a checkbox 'leave a copy of this save for devs too' 00:44:48 maybe not a big deal but perhaps the interface for this should give players the option of leaving a copy of the save on the server (they shouldn't be able to go back to continue playing the game online though) 00:44:57 yeah that sounds good 00:46:04 <|amethyst> how does the server find the save? 00:47:41 webtiles-changes has support for specifying -dir for crawl games, which is the save dir 00:48:11 <|amethyst> how does that work for trunk? 00:48:24 probably it doesn't 00:48:55 oh, for dgl-config-esque trunk, good question 00:49:06 (cpo trunk doesn't have save migration) 00:49:20 (or rather, there's forced migration) 00:49:22 <|amethyst> that's going to be bad the next time we break save compatibility 00:49:23 well it force-m..yeah 00:49:40 <|amethyst> (if that ever happens) 00:50:29 annual save breakage is a fair cost of playing trunk, IMO, especially with how much complexity it removes for management 00:50:36 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:46 well the problem is most people playing webtiles play trunk 00:51:05 <|amethyst> annual save breakage is a cost users pay 00:51:06 but yeah, I guess if the save location is dynamic and not knowable by webtiles, that's a problem 00:51:15 <|amethyst> management complexity is a cost admins pay 00:52:03 well it's maybe fixable, if there's a way to tell webtiles how to make a save dir from a base path and a version hash 00:52:06 er version string or w/e 00:52:40 but yeah force-upgrading users is kind of its own thing, and |amethyst is saying I think that he'd not like to do this on cszo/cao 00:52:46 webtiles doesn't explicitly require dir_path either -- I use it myself but I think most people just hardcode it on compile 00:53:07 <|amethyst> could have crawl -print-settings 00:53:09 yeah tl;dr I agree it's better not to make users pay 00:53:23 <|amethyst> or put it into -version in an easier-to-parse form than it currently has 00:53:44 <|amethyst> when you call the executable to ask what the save dir is 00:53:57 <|amethyst> would need some tweaks to the dgl launcher script to pass along that option 00:53:59 it's not in -version if you don't specify DIR_PATH either 00:54:10 -!- Hurricos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:44 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:54:44 could dgl-config have a symlink 'latest' savedir? 00:55:12 <|amethyst> it has a crawl-latest dir, but saves don't go there 00:55:13 <|amethyst> err 00:55:15 <|amethyst> sorry 00:55:28 <|amethyst> it does have a crawl-latest symlink that does what you want 00:55:35 <|amethyst> it's crawl-git that doesn't have saves in it 00:55:58 so, you could hardcode a path in webtiles config for Trunk that webtiles could read every save from? 00:56:08 <|amethyst> no 00:56:16 <|amethyst> only saves in the latest version 00:56:35 chequers: on dgl setups, each untransfered trunk game has a crawl dir by version hash 00:56:41 er well 00:56:43 that's not quite right but 00:57:17 I'm not sure if/how those old dirs are deleted when the game transfers 00:57:29 -!- Riddley_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:57:44 <|amethyst> there's a cron job that looks for dirs without any games in them 00:57:49 ah, gotcha 00:58:07 <|amethyst> for the most part they just accumulate though 00:58:12 i'm sort of averse to getting webtiles to ask crawl for a path to a save, since it feels like a really tight coupling 00:58:34 perhaps you can specify either a static path, or a shell script where you pass the username and get back the path to the username's save file 00:58:43 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59:05 which would let you call crawl-launcher.sh with special options which can go do Magic 00:59:14 <|amethyst> webtiles is already launching the crawl binary for other reasons 00:59:35 <|amethyst> but, yeah, it could be handled in the launcher script 00:59:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:59:44 not to eg serve morgues, or init files. save file management feels like that to me 01:00:09 <|amethyst> it does call crawl for init files 01:00:13 <|amethyst> -print-webtiles-options 01:00:43 oh I've never seen that before 01:00:46 <|amethyst> that's how tile_display_mode = hybrid in your rc works when you watch other peoples' games 01:01:01 ah i see it 01:01:04 -!- DrStalker_ has quit [] 01:01:16 <|amethyst> hm 01:01:22 <|amethyst> if you make it use a shell script 01:01:39 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 01:01:41 which gets passed gameid and username 01:01:44 <|amethyst> then on dgl setups that shell script could be one of the files published with directories substituted in 01:02:14 what do you mean by "one of the files published with directories substituted in"? 01:02:51 chequers: dgl setups use a publishing system based on configured versions to roll out the config 01:03:05 at least for most things 01:03:12 some things still have to be done by hand 01:03:25 <|amethyst> dgl publish copies certain files from the dgamelaunch-config dir to the appropriate deployed locations, in the process subsituting various things like %%CHROOT_DGLDIR%% => /dgldir 01:04:25 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Client Quit] 01:04:50 <|amethyst> (among those files, dgamelaunch.conf and config.py, but also menus and various scripts that go in the chroot) 01:05:11 So, if I support getting the save location by specifying a comamnd like '/path/to/get-dcss-save.sh {gameid} {username}', would that be reasonable for dgl-config to support? 01:06:46 <|amethyst> yeah, though honestly I'd suggest /path/to/steal-dcss-save {gameid} {username} {location to move the save to} 01:07:42 <|amethyst> since we still have to generate logfile entries etc 01:08:23 hm yeah, might make sense to keep it out of webtiles 01:08:28 keep the server as game-agnostic as possible 01:09:14 bbl 01:09:27 <|amethyst> also, to make it available to console players 01:11:30 <|amethyst> I'm not worried about keeping the webtiles server game-agnostic, because it's not particularly game-agnostic to begin with 01:11:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:11 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:19 <|amethyst> I mean, it would be nice to be able to wrap a generic console game, but that's going to work fairly differently from how crawl webtiles works 01:13:42 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:59 <|amethyst> Webtiles ATC is really the reason I started crawl.s-z.org in the first place 01:14:06 <|amethyst> this Crawl stuff is just a front 01:14:22 <|amethyst> and boggle! 01:16:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:16:34 <|amethyst> chequers: you might want to look at https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/blob/szorg/chroot/bin/savegame-backup.sh if you haven't 01:16:52 <|amethyst> chequers: that's how existing save backup works 01:17:45 <|amethyst> chequers: this one prompts, which you'd want to provide a way to avoid 01:18:56 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:19:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-119-g2b06fc5 (34) 01:23:35 oh oops 01:23:38 I deleted our clan 01:24:05 <|amethyst> ? 01:24:32 <|amethyst> oh 01:25:11 <|amethyst> you have a day and a half to fix it still :) 01:25:41 yeah I just fixed 01:26:58 &rc 01:27:00 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 01:27:06 &rc cszo 01:27:06 No milestones for cszo. 01:27:14 <|amethyst> %rc gammafunk 01:27:14 &rc 0.16 cszo 01:27:15 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 01:27:16 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-cszo/gammafunk.rc 01:27:36 &rc cszo 0.16 01:27:41 No milestones for cszo. 01:27:41 dangit 01:27:46 I know there's a syntax for that 01:27:46 <|amethyst> &rc gammafunk cszo 0.16 01:27:47 ?rc gammafunk cszo 01:27:56 <|amethyst> &rc gammafunk 0.16 cszo 01:27:58 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/gammafunk.rc 01:32:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:33:46 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:38:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:39:07 -!- tw12we has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:10 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:26 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 01:50:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-119-g2b06fc5 01:58:04 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:59:21 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:01:27 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:01:41 -!- Umbreoni is now known as FaMott 02:12:53 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:19:46 ??aevp 02:19:46 aevp[1/1]: Adjusted body armour evasion penalty. Affects spell success, melee accuracy. Its value is [(2/5) * er^2 / (str+3)] * [45 - armour_skill]/45. 02:21:30 ??plate armour 02:21:31 plate armour[1/1]: 10AC, 18ER. 02:22:05 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:22:43 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.0-17-g811c1d7 02:24:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:38 ??golden dragon armour 02:27:38 gold dragon armour[1/4]: 12AC, 25ER, rF+ rC+ rPois. Can be created by enchanting a gold dragon hide. ER 23 in 0.16. 02:28:56 I just came across the DCSS survey in 2012. Has there been a more recent one since? Any plans to do one in the near future? 02:29:05 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:32:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:38 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:33:38 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35:28 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:08 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-119-g2b06fc5 (34) 02:36:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:07 How can I find the equation for calculating spell success? 02:40:23 -!- kober has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:13 -!- rockit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:47:17 -!- rockit_ is now known as rockit 02:48:31 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:41 !source spl-cast.cc 02:50:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc;hb=HEAD 02:51:10 line 2012, get_miscast_chance 02:51:12 have fun 02:51:37 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:37 it's not really an equation so much as a catastrophe 02:51:48 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:19 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:57 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:58:21 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:51 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:03 -!- Sonderblade has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:07:42 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 03:09:45 ??give miscast a chance 03:09:45 I don't have a page labeled give_miscast_a_chance in my learndb. 03:10:13 -!- grisha5 has quit [Client Quit] 03:10:40 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:11:01 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:23:26 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:30 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:29:48 !messages 03:29:49 No messages for TZer0. 03:30:19 -!- Plasmo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:44:02 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:53:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:55:13 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:56:23 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08:12 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12:52 -!- Contest has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:15:06 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:15:55 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 04:16:55 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:20:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:39 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:27:06 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:07 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:25 does anyone else think the Dith and Yred altars look too similar? 04:29:34 in tiles 04:33:45 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:45:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:23 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:50:20 -!- angelichorsey has left ##crawl-dev 04:50:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:55:42 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:01:31 -!- joy1999 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:05:49 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:09:01 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:58 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:17:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:41 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:22:55 -!- ScioMin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:28:39 The 'repeat last action' command forces my character to read scrolls 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9561 by kuniqs 05:28:48 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:36:01 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:38:59 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:39:42 -!- hypermatt has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:40:46 Show adjusted melee damage in weapon description 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9562 by kuniqs 05:40:47 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:46 -!- ScioMin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:54:14 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:55:54 -!- hypermatt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:17 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:32 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:53 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:21:57 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:22:30 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:09 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:28:36 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:41:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:53:09 -!- ScioMin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:54:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:29 -!- Fusha has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:51 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:07:06 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 07:14:11 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:14:31 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:17:19 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:33:25 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:58 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 07:48:53 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I never can tell those things. 12:57:46 neither 12:59:11 What's the counselor title mean then? 12:59:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:56 someone nominated him to be a counselor and no one objected so 13:01:09 its something for you to aspire to bcadren 13:03:37 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:32 !tell pleasingfungus re #9560, maybe the blurry vision delay should be interruptible? 13:07:33 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:07:58 -!- dark_star_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:28 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:41 -!- ghostter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:08:59 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:12:23 can you get more blurry vision while you're being delayed by blurry vision 13:12:29 and end up being delayed even more 13:13:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:47 yes 13:13:52 I think it has 3 levels 13:14:14 well hes asking if the time is extended if you are reading while already under blurry vision 13:15:04 anyway, i highly doubt it, by the way the delay code is structured 13:20:26 not to imply that it's really all that structured 13:22:32 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:36 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:25:37 SO it's a delay now instead of possible fail? that's much less annoying. 13:25:58 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27:59 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:29:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:34:51 that depends on how many hits that Executioner gets in on you during the delay :p 13:37:55 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:39:20 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 13:39:23 Question: some of the sprints (most notably Pits and Linesprint) have things inscribed on Runed Doors. How hard would that be to do in the main game? 13:43:43 Or is it done already somewhere? or a rule against doing it? ...etc. 13:45:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:51:13 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 13:51:59 some vaults do it 13:52:01 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:11 !vault okawaru_arena 13:52:12 Can't find okawaru_arena. 13:53:26 !vault okawaru_arena_lexackson 13:53:27 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/okawaru_arena.des;hb=HEAD#l81 13:53:31 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:53:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:11 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:56 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:11 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:51 -!- rubycowgames has quit [Quit: rubycowgames] 14:04:24 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:05:35 -!- Guest66396 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:41 hm, I thought this used to have a "scrawled with warnings" annotation? 14:09:50 !vault dpeg_arrival_caged_fury 14:09:50 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/arrival/twisted.des;hb=HEAD#l677 14:11:28 !vault okawaru_arena 14:11:29 Can't find okawaru_arena. 14:11:40 !vault lexackson_okawaru_arena 14:11:41 Can't find lexackson_okawaru_arena. 14:11:50 !vault lexackson_arena_okawaru 14:11:50 Can't find lexackson_arena_okawaru. 14:12:01 that one has a poem, wherever it is 14:13:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:49 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:13:57 [20 19:07] [18:53:26] !vault okawaru_arena_lexackson 14:14:25 hey can two players in the same clan both score the same nemelex choice or will only one count? 14:15:36 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:15:51 -!- PsyMar2 is now known as PsyMar 14:18:32 elliptic: ^ 14:18:41 well 14:18:49 actually, i'm pretty sure that they can, yes 14:19:01 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:15 they will both count 14:21:04 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:53 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:28 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:27:52 One of my vault ideas (doing a prelim write up now) would about require a bunch of labelled runed doors. 14:30:23 Wodfir (L20 VpAs) ASSERT(range >= 0) in 'beam.cc' at line 592 failed. 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(Yea Ice Giant; but that's singular, not something with any complexity). 15:48:49 -!- Alarkh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:56 draconians, cool 15:48:57 pick one 15:49:20 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:21 ??? 15:51:17 Yea Draconians may randomly be of ice; but the enemy type is far more fire-focused. [Scorchers especially.] 15:52:36 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 15:55:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:15 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 15:59:34 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:17 -!- Fusha has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:32 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:13:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:49 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:16:16 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17:00 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 16:17:17 Bcadren: surely if enemy Dr counts as a "fire race" then enemy Mf should count as an "ice race" 16:20:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:06 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:28:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:15 minmay they don't really use ice attacks though (except throw icicle). They use as much as as an Ancient Lich (random chance on a small portion). 16:30:53 I realized it drafting another base concept; which is here. I'm finally just getting OUT all the ideas from the last few weeks. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15557 16:32:53 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 16:34:47 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:34 Bcadren: Ice Form makes Ice Beasts a playable race 16:37:43 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:39:18 I said enemy; not player. 16:40:36 There's not really a Fire or Ice playable race. There are 3 earth ones (DD, Fo and Gr) and 1 Air one (Te); but no Fire or Ice. The Earth races actually are some of the better in the game. I particularly like Fo. 16:41:15 All of them have a semi-interestng give/take. (Maybe less so for Gr). 16:42:14 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:01 Bloax! 16:43:10 uh hi 16:43:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:44:07 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:42 !tell pleasingfungus spamming irradiate as a mummy is so satisying, especially with the animation (not sure who did that) :) 16:44:43 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:45:39 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:56 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:46:02 ??irradiate 16:46:03 irradiate[1/3]: L5 Tm/Cj. Does nontrivial damage to all adjacent enemies and {malmutate}s them, at the cost of significant contam (zero to yellow in 2-4 casts). 16:46:29 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:46:33 So that's the new Cigotuvi's Degeneration? haha 16:47:41 -!- ark___ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:47:58 !tell pleasingfungus ah, you did (canofworms i knew made the tiles one but that doesn't help me :P) 16:47:58 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:48:19 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:49:02 !tell pleasingfungus also ew, the tile for spell effects is based on the beam name :( 16:49:03 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:49:10 After PMing Sequell "Monsters that get malmutated get -4 AC and -10% HD per stack, up to 5 stacks." oh...nevermind then. That's extremely similar to corrosion, you know. 16:51:08 -!- ashudal has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:16 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:18 ...BLOAX haha 16:55:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:56:45 -!- VortexMagus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:04:32 -!- CacoS_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:10 -!- coffee` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:23 a while back we came up with how often dissolution shows up 17:09:25 -!- EriktheRed-work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:25 wheals: ghoul seems like a much better race to spam irradiate 17:10:50 oh 17:10:51 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 17:11:19 didn't malmutate slow monsters down? was that removed? 17:12:21 (so much for me thinking irradiate was possibly a good spell) 17:13:39 =1/2 * 2/5 * 100/300 =1/15. prob=1-(14/15)^floors; floors=5 --> 29% 17:14:17 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:42 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 17:14:51 aaand another crash with no error 17:15:08 1/2 because that's how often a vault is placed. 2/5 because there's two vaults (diss and a dummy) but I don't know where the 5 comes from. and 100/300 is diss-weight / total-weight 17:15:37 any clue where the 5 comes from? or where in the code this happens? 17:17:09 !source map.cc 17:17:10 Can't find map.cc. 17:19:07 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 17:20:07 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 17:23:18 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:28:18 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:30:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:13 -!- Mottikins_ is now known as FaMott 17:37:09 nm I found it. Magic constant 17:41:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:08 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:38 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:47:09 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:50:13 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:50:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:59:52 gw (L1 DsHu) ASSERT(next_line >= n) in 'message.cc' at line 473 failed. (D:1) 17:59:56 um 17:59:58 |amethyst: 18:00:01 gw (L1 DsHu) ASSERT(next_line >= n) in 'message.cc' at line 473 failed. (D:1) 18:00:10 !crashlog gw 18:00:10 9. gw, XL1 DsHu, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gw/crash-gw-20150320-225953.txt 18:00:14 gw (L1 DsHu) ASSERT(next_line >= n) in 'message.cc' at line 473 failed. (D:1) 18:00:25 gw (L1 DsHu) ASSERT(next_line >= n) in 'message.cc' at line 473 failed. (D:1) 18:00:35 gw (L1 DsHu) ASSERT(next_line >= n) in 'message.cc' at line 473 failed. (D:1) 18:00:42 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:34 -!- heyJackie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:23 -!- EriktheRed-work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:44 -!- lnr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:18:57 !lg lootfeel t won 18:18:58 8. ontoclasm the Formicid Porcupine (L27 FoGl of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-03-19 08:43:28, with 16031544 points after 97367 turns and 6:25:23. 18:19:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:41 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:14 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 18:21:52 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:28 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:24:51 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:46 -!- ghostter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:30 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:02 ??iscdodown 18:37:04 iscdodown ~ is cdo down[1/1]: 2 minutes, 17 seconds since last activity (cdo) 18:37:07 Just letting everyone know. 18:38:13 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:22 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:22 I still want a player Vitriol source. Deals relatively small damage for it's spell level; but corrodes armour (temporary HD and melee attack reduction). Be a good conj for a reaver-type. 18:41:22 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:22 I think it was suggested in a poison reform thread at some point 18:41:22 yea. that was me...a year and a half ago. 18:41:22 oh 18:41:22 lol 18:41:22 notice I said I 'still' want it. 18:41:30 you should start off by coding a patch for it? :o 18:41:41 unless there's one for that too 18:41:55 It's such a mess...I don't want to. haha 18:42:15 Well, does enemy corrosion exist or would I have to code that and the spell? 18:43:47 what does vitriol/yellow drac breath currently do? 18:45:28 looks like yellow drac's bite causes bleeding 18:45:54 It ignores AC, which makes Fedhas Oklobs pretty broken if you know how to use them. But IDK if there's any effect beyond that. I know another part of the patch would just about need to be giving some more things rAcid+ [Yellow Draconians are the only thing with it]. rAcid+++ can stay Jelly Exclusive though; unless the ultra-resistant OoFs or something similar need it. 18:49:35 If you want to see how broken Fedhas can be choose a random unique and put them up against 10 Oklobs (hd: 25 for max invo) in Arena. Only TRJ wins [and she's acid immune]. Then note that Fedhas Oklobs work without the player in LoS... 18:53:18 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:57:30 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:30 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:57:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:01 -!- oberstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:42 so... player vitriol should be a source of slaying malus for enemies? 18:59:05 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:00:41 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 19:00:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:00 IDK original proposal was something like Acidic Spray Poison/Conjuration (6-8ish) - Single Target. Ignores AC. Checks EV normally. Checks rAcid (+ gives -33%, ++ -66% (nothing has ++ at present) and +++ immunity). Gives an AC and Slaying malus, knocks back and generates a small 'acid pool' that will dry up in a few turns. Acid Pools have the stumbling effect of Shallow Water and Steady damage (IE Slime Wall) for non-fliers. 19:05:34 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:05:35 poison magic specifically and explicitly excludes anything acid-related, precisely to avoid these suggestions 19:05:35 hmm 19:05:35 the main issue is that the spell as is is an amalgation of several elements 19:05:54 acid pool is water + cloud 19:05:59 knockback is force lance 19:06:24 it didn't when the suggestion was made. 19:06:34 There was no explicit rule. 19:06:34 when was the suggestion made? 19:06:42 2012 19:06:52 I'm pretty sure it was an explicit rule back then, I can check 19:07:14 why are acid and poison lumped together all the time anyway, is it because theyre both green 19:07:18 I also updated it as I rewrote. It was based on the old as a permanent effect earlier. 19:07:25 acid isn't even green 19:07:47 it might be 19:07:55 Poison is the spellschool with the least spells, followed closely by transmutations...ntohing else comes close to those. 19:07:57 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoisonIsCorrosive ??? 19:08:23 +Poison 19:08:23 +====== 19:08:28 +This specifically excludes: acid and acid-related spells. 19:08:36 2011-02-01 04:36:37 19:08:37 There was talk of combining it with Necromancy at one point, because from a practical standpoint, both are damage types that only affect the living. 19:08:39 so fuck off 19:08:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:09:02 there was definitely an explicit rule and it hasn't even *changed* since then 19:09:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:17 Poison has gotten even weaker since then though. 19:09:29 a harsh minmaystress 19:09:38 I don't see how that is relevant in any way 19:10:00 fire magic has also gotten weaker but that doesn't mean ice spells should be added to the fire magic skill 19:10:06 Poison is the weakest school because it's put into a tiny little box. 19:10:22 THERE ARE NO ACID SPELLS. SHOULD WE MAKE THEM PURE CONJURATION!? 19:13:38 ACID SPELLS SHOULDN'T EXIST AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME AS PHYSICAL DAMAGE SPELLS 19:13:38 I thought that was earth spells. 19:13:38 earth spells are physical damage spells 19:13:38 No, they aren't. 19:13:38 if you add acid magic it will be pretty much indistinguishable from earth magic 19:13:38 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:38 No. It wouldn't. 19:13:38 well then, put acid under earth/??? 19:13:38 :v 19:13:38 why? why do you need two damage types that are the same? 19:13:38 can you both stop 19:13:38 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 19:13:38 -!- zjeremie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:38 MarvinPA: can you remove ctele 19:16:44 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:21:42 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:20 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:24:47 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:31 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 19:37:50 -!- Earlo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:32 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 19:39:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:46:15 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:50:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:59 ??draining 19:53:59 draining[1/1]: see {draining brand} or {drain status} 19:56:23 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:46 -!- johlstei has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:59 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08:02 -!- merphle has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:09:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:23 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:16 -!- Alarkh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:16 is cdo down?? 20:13:16 1 hours, 37 minutes, 39 seconds since last activity (cdo) 20:13:16 :( 20:13:37 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:03