00:00:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:18 Stable (0.16) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16.0-16-g311141a 00:01:28 gammafunk try something easy like mibe 00:01:38 I will do that 00:01:43 ??gammafunk[3 00:01:43 gammafunk[3/8]: greaterplayer: MiBe^Trog->Mak SpEn^Ash 00:01:55 there has to be a reason no one is trying OpSu 00:02:02 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/ SpEn\^Ash// 00:02:02 gammafunk[3/8]: greaterplayer: MiBe^Trog->Mak 00:02:04 probably boring as all hell & sin 00:02:31 is this a speedrun 00:03:03 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.0-16-g311141a 00:04:22 is what a speedrun? yall gotta quantify questions like that 00:04:33 and by yall i mean you pleasingfungus 00:04:37 everything is a speedrun 00:04:39 his planned mibemakhrun 00:04:50 who is his? 00:05:08 The Funk 00:05:15 well why didn`t yall say so in the first place 00:05:32 yes its a speedrun. gammafunk ,try to speedrun that guy 00:05:37 good. 00:05:55 guy, gal, whoever or whomever it is 00:06:09 is it whoever or whomever? 00:06:10 man 00:06:12 ??gammafunk[4 00:06:13 gammafunk[4/8]: speedruns: MiBe^Mak DEFE^Veh HESu^Sif DESu^Sif 00:06:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-114-g0a99873 (34) 00:06:16 it's on the *list* 00:06:49 any yall ever try podcasting? 00:06:53 I'd be interested to see you play defe 00:06:59 twelwe: listening to or making? 00:07:10 oh making 00:07:18 gammafunk is xhe in my head 00:07:32 ...huh 00:07:44 No, never. Why? 00:07:45 just go for "it" 00:08:08 i think i`m going to try it but i need guests. its going to be a vid games podcast 00:08:55 -!- speranza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:04 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:09:48 you should make it two and a half hours long so nobody with a life has time to listen to it, that's the hot thing in the gaming podcast community 00:10:12 is't 00:10:14 ? 00:10:44 my comp probably cant handle a file size that large 00:12:36 maybe like a 10 min podcast about vid games would be best. you know quick info, tips about new enemies like caus... caus.... cause people need to know about those acid fuckers ruining games 00:14:12 twelwe: we retired the dev who made all those acid changes, don't worry 00:14:24 oh no! what happened to lasty!? 00:14:39 i don`t agree with acid magic but i do believe in acid neutralizing magic 00:14:54 holy shit thats the best i ever spelled neutrilizing 00:15:10 pardon the language 00:15:31 np. 00:15:46 the podcast might have to be 12 minutes long to include apologies like that 00:16:12 i spit fire like paula dean when angry lol. just a little mad is all but i get over it 00:16:25 what kind of games? 00:16:44 oh you know free ones and the ones i own 00:17:03 cant say much about the other games out there 00:17:43 maybe make up some rumors 00:18:08 rumors sound good 00:18:50 i heard this one guy interviewed dpeg twice! i could probably get him on the phone with long distance. grandma will have to pay for that. or use skype but i`d have to install skype first and get him to install skype unless he already has it, then half the battle is won already 00:19:30 argh this is so complicated! 00:21:24 no rush; no stress. :) 00:21:27 good night! 00:21:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 00:22:34 you know what i hate is people saying goodnight then leaving before you can reply goodnight too. fr: donald hates it when people say goodnight then leave before he can say reply goodnight too. 00:26:23 twelwe, I really hate that too 00:27:25 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:28:28 ctrl- does not work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9559 by anntzer 00:28:28 lookupdb now supports search results http://lookupdb.guy.ht/#term/vaults 00:29:16 e.g. http://lookupdb.guy.ht/#term/poison 00:30:25 -!- Maud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:30:39 nitpick: i think you joined results on " ," instead of ", " 00:31:21 thats what i said n1k and i agree also. also, do you think its better to run at an enemy or stand still and have an enemy run at you? 00:32:07 twelwe, yeah I think both are good...it depends on how strong or brave you are 00:32:25 I usually just go "on feeling" 00:32:50 -!- wat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:06 just trying to think of qs for my podcast guests 00:33:19 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:33:25 mrwooster: oh, you give search results only for the entry name, not a content search? 00:33:47 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 00:33:54 gammafunk: give me time ;) trying to work out how the interface would work for content searches 00:34:07 as its going to get pretty cluttered 00:34:13 mrwooster: ok, just wondering 00:37:57 float the monster info right 00:38:58 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:02 also, redirects like this are a confusing UX: https://lookupdb.guy.ht/#term/formicid_unreasons 00:40:44 @??orc_priest 00:40:44 orc priest (03o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 41 | Sp: pain (d8) [11!AM], cantrip [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], heal other (2d1) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:41:00 I was looking into changing the output of monster_info so it would be more easily parseable btw 00:41:13 so you can use proper words in the web UI rather than eg, "Sz" 00:43:01 @??siren 00:43:01 siren (10m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 9 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 19 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 471 | Sp: siren song [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:43:07 @??merfolk_avatar 00:43:08 merfolk avatar (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 75-92 | AC/EV: 4/12 | amphibious | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 933 | Sp: avatar song [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:43:27 @??mermaid 00:43:27 unknown monster: "mermaid" 00:43:30 ah right 00:44:18 03nonethousand02 {Sage} 07* 0.17-a0-115-g58570d6: Clarify message when quaffing ambrosia with clarity 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58570d6c7c8e 00:44:20 mrwooster: got a few mins to talk about external js files? 00:44:32 chequers: got about 10 mins 00:45:04 mrwooster: I don't really understand how you can avoid using inline JS without page-specific external js files, which seems just as bad 00:45:16 mrwooster: for instance see what I did with the self-written js here: https://d6gy8xl67kwpc.cloudfront.net/ 00:45:38 dcss.js is site-wise common functions, but index.js calls the stuff index.js needs 00:45:46 is this dumb? what am I missing? 00:46:15 page-specific external js is fine, but unless the JS is super big, including all js on every page is also not that bad 00:46:44 the issue is that loading js inline is blocking, whereas when its external its non blocking + you can make use of caches, etc 00:47:12 yep, all that makes sense. It just seems weird to have 1 js file for every html file, with no way around it 00:47:27 how many lines of JS in each file? and how many pages? 00:47:30 approx... 00:48:14 like, 2-3 lines in each page-specific file 00:48:18 also, this makes more sense when you start to think of JS files as components, rather than scripts 00:48:25 see https://d6gy8xl67kwpc.cloudfront.net/js/index.js 00:48:33 just calls a function 00:49:25 so: 4 pages (index + 3), 1 common js, 4 page-specific js files 00:49:25 whats dcss.js? 00:49:32 common functions, shared between every page 00:50:09 Basil: You could cherry-pick that I think 00:50:11 if its 2-3 lines per js file, why not put them in the dcss.js file? 00:50:49 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:50:53 the code will only get executed if the component it is building is present on the page 00:51:30 ah, so check if the element I am modifying exists, and only run if it does? clever 00:52:00 yep, the way i generally do it is with jquery selecters 00:52:04 jsfiddle incomming 00:52:11 * gammafunk ducks! 00:54:00 see http://jsfiddle.net/g0fbnfb2/ … you can run that on every page… if feature-b is not present, the code just doesnt run for it 00:54:56 .. or you can check to see if it exists… if ($(‘.component’).length) { do something } 00:55:19 yeah... that's a quite different way to how I was thinking of js/html 00:55:43 this is nice, thanks 00:55:46 think of the JS as building components, not pages… the component could be present on any, or multiple pages 00:56:20 mrwooster: if there's only one search result and it's the entry you're looking at, you probably don't need to show it 00:56:25 if the app starts to get really big, its good to start keeping separate files tho 00:56:53 yep, I was wondering about how to split this file 00:56:53 ontoclasm: ye, trying to work out the best way to fix that without having to loop though all the search results… it will be fixed in the next update 00:57:02 dcss.js? 00:58:19 right 00:58:43 i think the modern approach is to put each function in its own file (or groups into smaller files), then concatenate as part of the build/deploy process? 00:58:55 well, the files not to big right now… i am a big fan of splitting up large files, but also having 10 files with 20 lines each in it can get messy 00:58:58 ye 100% 00:59:17 for my projects, I use browserify http://browserify.org/ 00:59:47 so each component has its own file (most files are 100 - 200 lines), and during the build process it concats it into 1 big file 01:00:00 there is also requirejs 01:00:04 but its harder to setup 01:00:21 I just started using grunt for build, looks like i could use browserify easily enough 01:00:38 ye, its super easy to integrate with grunt 01:01:25 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:31 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:38 also, you might want to look at using a framework for building the views… backbone.js, react.js are both good candidates. react.js is being used on the webtiles build so might be a good choice. As well as cleaning up the code, it will help you split the code into distinct components 01:02:14 learning enough new things so far, but remind me next week :) 01:02:38 so it ends up with a bunch of ‘component’ files, which generally get loaded onto every page, then, the page specific JS, just says ‘load components A, B and D’, or whatever is required for that page 01:02:41 lol, k 01:02:52 i gotta dash, will be around tomorrow if you have any more questions 01:03:19 thanks mate 01:03:56 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 01:07:36 -!- Maud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:00 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:19:14 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:22:34 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:37 !lg . hesu max=xl x="ac+ev" 01:22:37 Unknown field: x 01:22:51 !lg . hesu max=xl x=ac+ev 01:22:51 No keyword '+ev' 01:23:02 !lg . hesu max=xl x=sum(ac,ev) 01:23:02 Cannot apply to [ac, ev] 01:23:17 !lg . hesu max=xl x=ac,ev 01:23:17 1020. [ac=16;ev=11] gammafunk the Demonologist (L22 HESu of Sif Muna), slain by a tentacled monstrosity (summoned by the player character) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2) on 2015-01-31 05:29:44, with 603537 points after 32262 turns and 8:03:33. 01:23:46 !lg . hesu xl>=18 s=ac,ev 01:23:46 3 games for gammafunk (hesu xl>=18): 17 (11), 28 (10), 16 (11) 01:24:31 fr: more female hell/pan lords 01:24:48 @??blood_saint 01:24:48 monstrous blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 64-156 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 15, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1444 | Sp: legendary destruction (3d22 / 3d27 / 3d25 / 3d34 / 3d20 / 9d15) [11!AM], ephemeral infusion [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:26:09 @??balrug 01:26:09 balrug (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 66-95 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(160), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1660 | Sp: b.fire (3d23) [06!sil], fireball (3d23) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d6) [06!sil], smiting (7-17) [06!sil] | Sz:.. 01:26:28 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:26:50 actually 01:26:58 what's our count on female/male uniques 01:28:06 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:28:21 -!- jspengler has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:03 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:07 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 01:33:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:35:13 ?/unique.+\s(she|her) 01:35:14 Matching entries (10): duvessa[1] | erolcha[1] | forest[1] | natasha[1] | porkalator[1] | psyche[1] | robin[1] | roxanne[1] | the_fairyland[1] | tiamat[1] 01:35:28 ??maud 01:35:29 maud[1/3]: No spells. The two most notable things about Maud are that she looks inexplicably like a rodent and that she (like hell knights, frederick, and margery) has a chance of coming with a kick-ass weapon. Associated with forgetfulness in NetHack, reference from Alfred Tennyson's poem, Maud. 01:35:30 ?/unique.+\s(him|he|his) 01:35:31 Matching entries (28): azrael[1] | blork_the_orc[1] | cbus[2] | corruption[2] | crazy_yiuf[1] | dissolution[1] | dowan[1] | duvessa[1] | erolcha[1] | forest[1] | hydrataur[1] | ignacio[1] | ijyb[1] | jory[1] | maurice[1] | nessos[1] | plane_rend[1] | prince_ribbit[1] | psyche[1] | robin[1] | roxanne[1] | serpent_of_hell[1] | spatial_maelstrom[1] | terence[1] | the_fairyland[1] | tiamat[1] | vestib... 01:35:35 Oh huh 01:35:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:36:02 Oh, gotcha. 01:36:37 clearly need unique ldb entry format standardization., 01:40:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:41:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:43:49 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 01:48:09 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:37 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:04 -!- Rauc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:54 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:22:21 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.0-16-g311141a 02:22:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:24:10 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 02:26:54 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 02:28:31 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:29:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:40 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34:46 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-115-g58570d6 (34) 02:35:28 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:47 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:41:34 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:44:29 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:08 -!- rockit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:47:17 -!- rockit_ is now known as rockit 02:48:37 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:43 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:55:12 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 03:03:16 -!- nikheizen has quit [Client Quit] 03:04:58 -!- nikheizen has quit [Client Quit] 03:14:39 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:17:40 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 03:20:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20:27 !tell ontoclasm 20f 51m 3n 03:20:28 minmay: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 03:23:18 !tell ontoclasm according to ??uniques 03:23:19 minmay: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 03:26:22 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:29:33 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:30:35 minmay: mm 03:30:35 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:30:46 obviously we need some gender reassignment 03:40:46 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:42:08 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:00 -!- FuHanchu has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 03:44:17 gammafunk: bam 03:48:59 I guess that entry is missing robin but imo crawl should also be missing robin 03:50:04 robin has a pretty ambiguous gender 03:50:41 minmay: convince them to remove 31 male uniques 03:54:25 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:32 can I remove new ones or only old ones 03:55:00 probably there are more than 20 "new ones" 03:55:58 either 03:56:13 also i think there aren't really that many "new" uniques 03:56:31 i guess it depends on what you think constitutes "new" 03:56:48 but since i started playing in 0.8 or so there aren't a whole lot 03:57:36 asterion dissolution donald edmund fannar ; frederick gastronok geryon grum ignacio ; jorgrun jory joseph khufu maud ; maurice menkaure murray pikel polyphemus ; purgy snorg sojobo terence urug ; xtahua 03:57:39 would be my first picks 03:57:51 oh mennas and wiglaf too 03:58:04 also I think my original count missed vashnia wiglaf xtahua, whoops 03:58:36 anyway, pretty good balance of new and ancient uniques in there I think 03:58:56 most of those are indeed kind of dull, but why mennas? 03:58:59 (why am I even doing this) 03:59:09 he seems like a pretty interesting fight usually 03:59:18 interesting? you just don't fight him 03:59:22 same problem as mara 03:59:48 but I put mara in the "will never change" category with pan/hell lords 03:59:59 he's maybe the hardest unique to avoid fighting though? 04:00:09 since he's fast and silences you 04:00:18 .??? he's one of the easiest uniques to avoid fighting, he doesn't appear until like depths 04:00:58 well okay sure like nothing past lair actually matters, by some metric 04:01:27 it's not a matter of "actually matters", monsters at that point are /easy to avoid/ 04:02:13 yes, but then i guess you just remove everything that is remotely dangerous 04:02:17 why do you think when people ask about mennas or mara they universally get the answer "don't fight them"? they're easy to not fight, and the rewards for fighting them are not worth it 04:02:47 that wouldn't be my response 04:03:19 but if you cut out everything that's not worth fighting then you have, like, yaks and that it 04:03:54 uh, no, lots of monsters are worth fighting...you get xp for killing them and most are not dangerous 04:04:48 uniques in general, but especially uniques after early game, tend to 1. be really difficult to kill compared to the reward you get for killing them, 2. be really easy to avoid (because of appearing late and also because there are like 2 fast ones) 04:05:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:18 that seems like the problem is that easy, lucrative things exist 04:05:27 so from an optimal play perspective you typically don't *want* to kill them, and you are unlikely to be *forced* to kill them 04:05:40 the entire reason the unique_xp branch exists is to try to correct this 04:06:13 "easy, lucrative things", compared to crawl uniques, is going to be virtually every other monster on the level and the surrounding levels 04:06:25 i never said uniques shouldn't be worth more 04:06:43 but if you just remove everything that isn't worth it then there's nothing dangerous left 04:06:52 hydras aren't worth fighting 04:06:57 killer bees aren't 04:07:08 hobgoblins aren't on d:1-3 04:07:12 ...wait, you're taking that list seriously? 04:07:18 what list 04:07:32 the one of 31 male uniques that you asked for 04:07:50 it's the only time I mentioned removing something that isn't robin in this conversation 04:07:51 idk man you ask to remove lots of shit 04:08:08 it's hard to tell when you stop being serious about it 04:08:37 I did deliberately leave dangerous uniques other than terence and edmund off of it, though 04:08:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:29 because I took it as an "if you had to remove 50% of all uniques and can't pick the female or neuter ones" question 04:11:23 re: asking to remove lots of shit, I'm pretty sure I totally gave up on asking to remove non-ancient non-vault monsters? unless you count the generic ##crawl complaining 04:11:58 but I can tone it down further if you'd like 04:12:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:13:59 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:20 ...i've been reading it for like 4 years at this point, i apologize if you've started editing yourself and i failed to notice 04:16:50 haha im not offended or anything, it just sounded like it was bothering you 04:17:28 but man, if you say "convince them to remove 31 male uniques" you should expect to get a joke list back 04:18:20 fair enough 04:18:20 this is the worst -dev conversation ever i'm going to bed 04:18:50 (it was my fault though basically) 04:20:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:10 -!- honeybadger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:30:18 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:32:40 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:42:21 so, what's the problem with non-interesting uniques? 04:42:34 and aren't they interesting through the simple fact they're unique? 04:48:08 does Zin actively dislike me wearing contam things or does he just dislike it when I take it off and it contams me? 04:48:43 non-interesting as in no-one cares that you killed them I think 04:50:54 it says "You really shouldn't be using a chaotic item like this." 04:51:06 on a cloak with contam 04:54:03 <|amethyst> Kramin: what version? 04:54:19 0.16 04:54:26 <|amethyst> more specifically? 04:54:34 <|amethyst> %git 7215832 04:54:37 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16.0-12-g7215832: Don't make Zin hate Contam (minmay) 10(32 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=721583234c14 04:54:45 "Stone Soup 0.16 (20150311)" 04:54:58 0.16.0 04:55:03 <|amethyst> ah 04:55:08 is that the full version number? 04:55:09 <|amethyst> it's been fixed since, then 04:55:21 is it just the message that is wrong? 04:55:37 can I wear it without losing piety? 04:55:55 <|amethyst> yes, as far as I know 04:56:11 <|amethyst> only unequipping should punish you 04:56:25 ok, that's fine then 04:56:25 <|amethyst> in the version you are playing there is no penance warning about unequipping 04:56:27 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:40 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:29 need to get myself banished for vow of courage III 04:59:50 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:59 -!- mumra has quit [Client Quit] 05:00:19 how to interpret the error messages webtiles gives when a game crashes? I seem to have a problem in my rcfile, but I can't figure it out... I get the message "(1,8) into (80,7)". there's also a crash report here: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Pikaro/crash-recursive-Pikaro-20150319-093143.txt but it's not any more help. 05:04:42 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:47 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:01 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:32:28 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:39:37 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:31 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:46:04 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 05:48:45 -!- Tedronai has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:31 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:10:02 -!- bitcoinbastard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:19:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:30:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33:00 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:24 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:36:05 finally got it figured out... setting small_more=true was the reason. even happens on a completely empty rcfile. don't know if the option is deprecated or something, the options guide still mentions it. so consider this a bug report, please. 06:36:49 behavior started sometime during the last 14 hours or so on CLAN. 06:37:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:58 ??mantis 06:43:58 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 06:44:47 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:55:10 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56:39 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:59:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:09 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:08:56 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:09:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:14:52 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:29 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:22:40 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:24 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:26:52 -!- giann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:31:20 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 07:31:32 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 07:42:08 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:44:22 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:12 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:47:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 07:49:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 07:51:07 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:33 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:13 -!- TurboShekel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55:53 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:15 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 08:18:53 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:34:45 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:07 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:35:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:39:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:09 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:00 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 08:45:06 -!- FIQ is now known as Guest96859 08:46:11 -!- Guest96859 has quit [Changing host] 08:46:37 -!- Guest96859 is now known as FIQ 08:47:06 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:47:17 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:49:44 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:53:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:54 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:52 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00:06 Remind me, what's the learndb entry for the most absurd randarts ever found? 09:00:40 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:00:49 ?/ rF++ 09:00:49 Matching terms (32): awesomely_powerful, butterfly, clutterflies, deep_dwarf, deep_dwarf_berserker, deep_dwarf_death_knight, deep_dwarf_necromancer, deep_dwarf_reasons, deep_dwarf_unborn, deep_qwarf, dwarf_mountain_bat, hill_dwarf, merfolk, merfolk_avatar, merfolk_impaler, merfolk_reasons, mountain_dwarf, mountain_qwarf, overflow, overflow_altar, perfect_start, powerful, quite_powerful, qwarf, rf,... 09:00:57 ??awesomely_powerful 09:00:57 ghost words[1/1]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 09:01:22 ?/ rF\+\+ 09:01:23 Matching entries (37): beneficial_mutation[2] | cloud_of_flame[1] | demonspawn[3] | elemental_staff[1] | elemental_staff[2] | fire_dragon_armour[1] | firestarter[1] | flaming[1] | FRREMOVEFELIDS[1] | good_names[14] | good_names[24] | hellfire[3] | not_desperate_enough[16] | orb_of_fire[2] | red_draconian[1] | resistance[2] | ring_of_flames[1] | salamander_hide_armour[1] | scimitar_of_flaming_death... 09:01:26 r??uber_randarts 09:01:26 uber_randarts[4/27]: the +0 shield of Townfolk {EV+7 rElec rPois rC+ rN+ MR +Map} 09:01:29 thanks! 09:01:38 good +Map 09:02:46 there's an rSlow amulet in there too iirc 09:04:06 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:05:54 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6503 <- still present, autoexplore doing this is pretty bad :/ 09:06:51 <|amethyst> elliptic: we could just assume monsters have a path to the player if you see them 09:07:00 <|amethyst> elliptic: that would mean monsters behind glass block travel again 09:08:17 |amethyst: they seem to do that currently anyway... 09:08:50 |amethyst: at least a lot of the time they do, I couldn't remember if this was ever fixed and just filed it under "glass is awful" 09:09:19 |amethyst: but if monsters behind glass aren't supposed to block travel, something is pretty wrong 09:09:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:42 <|amethyst> elliptic: monsters behind glass without a path to the player aren't supposed to 09:09:59 <|amethyst> and int is supposed to determine how far they go 09:10:08 <|amethyst> err, how far they'll pathfind 09:10:40 well, the 6503 bug doesn't have anything to do with glass (maybe it has to do with that code though) 09:11:00 observe me on cszo, I autoexplored to this position and stopped because the catlobe came into sight 09:11:24 -!- mumbologist has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 09:11:39 <|amethyst> this seems to be a different bug then 09:11:47 <|amethyst> hm 09:11:52 <|amethyst> @??slime creature 09:11:52 slime creature (03J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 46-76 | AC/EV: 1/4 | Dam: 22 | amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 263 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 09:12:25 <|amethyst> even with int:plant the slime creatures should still be able to pathfind 8 squares for purposes of that check 09:12:25 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:45 where is this code? 09:13:04 <|amethyst> !source _mons_has_path_to_player 09:13:04 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/misc.cc;hb=HEAD#l91 09:14:40 <|amethyst> which is called from mons_can_hurt_player 09:14:42 |amethyst: was that recursive crash earlier possibly due to your message window changes? 09:15:01 <|amethyst> wheals: possibly... I didn't try with small_more 09:15:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: mons_is_safe is maybe the place to start looking? 09:15:49 -!- tw12we has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:16:10 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:18:03 |amethyst: well, since small_more uses the last line of the screen and you might be putting stuff on the next line, which could be off the screen, it seems plausible... 09:18:11 I'm also wondering about this glass thing... do you know what range 8 means exactly in the pathfinding? like, allowed to move 8 times, confined to a ball of radius 8 centered around one of you and the monster, etc 09:18:19 <|amethyst> elliptic: eight steps 09:18:37 <|amethyst> elliptic: so there are still bad situations from that check, with switchbacks 09:19:27 yeah, I'm surprised I've been running into glass blocking autoexplore as much as I have then, but I guess it is possible (since all unknown-to-player squares are treated as traversable) 09:19:49 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:45 -!- EriktheRed1 is now known as EriktheRed-work 09:21:09 <|amethyst> for I_NORMAL they can path 16 steps, I_HIGH infinitely many 09:21:19 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: back on Tuesday maybe] 09:21:23 <|amethyst> for this check 09:21:34 mp.set_range(max(LOS_RADIUS, range * 2)); 09:21:34 <|amethyst> hm 09:21:36 doesn't that cap at 8? 09:21:46 oh, max 09:22:27 wait, infinitely many? so that means that basically any I_HIGH monster behind glass will break autoexplore unless you can see that it is in a box 09:22:34 IMO this is bad 09:23:08 probably 16 steps is enough to break autoexplore in many configurations also (because unknown-to-player squares are treated as traversable 09:23:51 <|amethyst> maybe this shouldn't take monster intelligence into account at all 09:24:22 yeah... 09:25:23 -!- jspengler has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:26:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:40 I'm also worrying a little bit about the MTRAV_KNOWN_UNREACHABLE stuff in _mons_has_path_to_player 09:27:03 does mon->travel_target actually get reset every turn? 09:28:11 since if not, it seems to me that what could be happening is that the player sees (or maybe senses with monster detection?) a monster, runs this code and determines that the monster can't reach the player in 8 steps, then moves closer to the monster and this function is still returning false 09:28:22 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:29:39 <|amethyst> hm 09:29:49 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:36 I don't offhand see where travel_target would be getting reset for a sleeping monster after this code sets it 09:31:07 <|amethyst> yeah 09:32:18 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, a full last line with small_more does cause a crash now 09:33:32 <|amethyst> wheals: let me check what happened before my change 09:34:43 |amethyst: hm, is the comment at the beginning of mons_can_hurt_player just wrong? 09:35:29 <|amethyst> elliptic: which part? 09:35:45 the "always return true for sleeping monsters" 09:35:46 <|amethyst> elliptic: it takes into account whether the player knows the map, because unmapped squares are treated as passable 09:35:49 <|amethyst> hm 09:37:37 <|amethyst> yeah, that's probably wrong 09:39:18 anyway my guess is that the behavior in my game was caused by earlier sensing these slime creatures from a position behind some walls in which I knew they couldn't reach me in 8 steps 09:40:30 since I think this code probably gets called for sensed monsters also, via handle_seen_interrupt? 09:41:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:12 <|amethyst> %git bd865dfe 09:43:12 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-2611-gbd865df: Don't consider unreachable sleeping monsters dangerous preventing long rests. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd865dfecb32 09:45:12 <|amethyst> could remove MTRAV_KNOWN_UNREACHABLE and repath every turn 09:45:54 <|amethyst> this is the only place that sets it 09:48:27 -!- quackv4 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:49:44 yeah, I don't know whether there are serious performance issues 09:54:18 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:57:59 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:58:12 hm, why does the third line of my hud look like: 09:58:16 Health: 140/140 (1======================== 09:59:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:57 <|amethyst> rot? 10:00:07 <|amethyst> hm 10:00:10 <|amethyst> negative rot? 10:00:18 my guess is that it is because I am reskilling to fighting 10:00:24 and thus negative rot yes 10:01:45 mm, I got an extra MHP by saving and reloading 10:03:15 probably that calc_hp()s 10:07:18 We end up calling calc_hp() whenever we thing hp changed, but it's pretty easy to accidentally introduce a change without adding a calc_hp check. I'm kind of surprised we don't just call it on every action. 10:07:31 (and calc_mp) 10:08:07 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:08:56 would probably make more sense to not cache it at all then 10:11:08 -!- EriktheRed-work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:14 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:52 <|amethyst> it's not enough to just compute hp_max on the fly, calc_hp also handles things like scaling your current HP when max HP changes 10:15:05 <|amethyst> e.g. getting more HP in berserk, and losing them when berserk ends 10:18:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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It is the Bug. 11:25:36 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:56 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:27:51 wheals: what do you think is causing it? 11:28:19 i did some changes to get_item_info for decks 11:28:48 %git :/marked cards code 11:30:05 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-3896-g4564c02: Clear away marked cards code. 10(6 weeks ago, 4 files, 56+ 199-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4564c0294023 11:30:05 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:05 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 11:34:46 ahh 11:35:08 well, now you'll just have to write tests to catch the bug and prevent regressions, and then fix it. 11:36:33 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:37:46 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:56 // TODO: props? 11:39:00 promising 11:40:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:02 -!- mercury^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:08 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:46 i'm not sure why this doesn't happen whenever you wield an unidentified deck in webtiles, actually 11:47:51 maybe it does 11:48:06 (seems to be more the deck_name refactorings, which was both you and me) 11:48:54 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:49:38 doesn't seem to 11:49:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toontown_Online 11:49:47 erp 11:49:52 _m - an ornate deck of cards (in hand) 11:50:04 (the other thing was left over from explaining why people used 'toon' to refer to characters) 11:50:23 on the HUD, that is 11:50:32 Wp: m) ornate deck of cards 11:50:39 hm 11:50:49 this is 0.17, if it matters 11:50:58 probably not 11:51:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:51:09 guess i'll ask for a save backup 11:52:22 ya that seems good 11:52:28 oh, yeah 11:52:37 we should get chequers to program us a webtiles save backup UI 11:53:42 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:01 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:38 -!- maha_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:54:46 yes 11:55:03 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 11:55:37 ok, it's decided. 11:56:12 !tell chequers please program a webtiles save backup UI by EOD FY2015 or you're fired. ps we're giving your stuff to bloax 11:56:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56:13 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 12:02:44 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16.0-16-g311141a 12:02:53 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:07:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-115-g58570d6 (34) 12:08:09 -!- gareppa_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:54 -!- nicholas982 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:23:02 !tell PleasingFungus From what I've read toontown online wasn't actually the source of that meme stop spreading lies 12:23:02 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:23:36 !lm pleasingfungus 12:23:37 6142. [2015-03-18 20:58:29] PleasingFungus the Fruitful (L9 HuAr of Fedhas) killed Pikel on turn 6108. (D:9) 12:23:47 !lg pleasingfugus huar 12:23:47 No games for pleasingfugus (huar). 12:23:57 would be embarrassing for Grunt if he won that his first try 12:24:19 !firestorm gammafunk 12:24:20 Grunt points at gammafunk and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs gammafunk! 12:24:23 !abjure gammafunk 12:24:32 * gammafunk shudders. 12:24:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk vanishes in a puff of smoke] 12:24:55 rip 12:25:18 * Grunt gestures widely while chanting in an attempt to summon gammafunk. 12:27:23 -!- TurboShekel__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31:04 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 12:33:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:08 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:20 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:39 -!- mp[crawl] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:35 -!- fungee has quit [] 12:52:40 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:55:16 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:56:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:39 !tell gammafunk I was brutally slain yesterday - I don't know why the game isn't in sequell.... 12:57:39 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:57:39 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 12:57:50 oh 12:57:58 "!lg pleasingfugus" indeed 12:58:29 !tell gammafunk "!lg pleasingfugus" nice 12:58:29 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 12:58:56 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:07 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:00:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00:28 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk http://static.animalzoo.ro/uploads/2013/07/131.jpg http://www.tofugu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sup-fugu-710x452.jpg 13:00:28 |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:01:24 the first one... wow.... 13:04:46 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:05:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I find it oddly... pleasing 13:06:13 I know!!! 13:07:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:49 -!- Sczcya has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:17 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:11:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:19 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:32:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:34:15 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:34:15 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:30 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:36:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:57 -!- mercury^ has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:43:19 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:13 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:52:05 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 13:54:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:56:38 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 13:58:57 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:30 -!- jeremie__ is now known as zjeremie 14:01:32 -!- Anothat has quit [Client Quit] 14:02:29 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:03 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 14:08:33 -!- DrStalker_ has quit [] 14:10:19 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:12:16 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:26 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:19:32 -!- Anothat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:02 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:22:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:32 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:59 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:12 -!- mercury^ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-116-ga9f4d1d: Don't crash on 80-char prompts with small_more (pikaro, wheals) 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9f4d1dcb4da 14:31:02 NATASHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:31:53 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:32:11 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:36:15 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:57 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:40:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:54 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43:00 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:47 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:34 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:45:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:45:15 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 14:47:07 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:29 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:51:22 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:07 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:56:31 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 15:00:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:01:41 twelwe: natasha is pretty much the greatest isn't she 15:02:14 all she pretty much did ws pretty much own me 15:02:21 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:55 now 15:03:23 thats not nearly as bad as the people who kill her and then die to her later. someone here figured out how to play those on footv. man i love it the things you guys know how to do around here 15:04:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07:02 What am I doing wrong? 15:07:03 Spell slot 'bolt of cold.27.demon,' missing a casting type 15:07:03 %??orb of fire spells:bolt_of_cold.27.demon, throw_icicle.27.demon hd:10 name:orb_of_ice 15:07:12 "demonic" 15:07:20 I tried that... 15:07:39 Spell slot 'bolt of cold.27.demonic,' missing a casting type 15:07:39 %??orb of fire spells:bolt_of_cold.27.demonic, throw_icicle.27.demonic hd:10 name:orb_of_ice 15:07:52 try ; 15:08:11 unknown monster: "orb of fire throw_icicle.27.demonic" 15:08:11 %??orb of fire spells:bolt_of_cold.27.demonic; throw_icicle.27.demonic hd:10 name:orb_of_ice 15:08:16 lol 15:08:18 <|amethyst> and no space 15:08:54 <|amethyst> @??orb of fire spells:bolt_of_cold.27.demonic;throw_icicle.27.demonic hd:10 name:orb_of_ice 15:08:55 orb of ice (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1317 | Sp: b.cold (3d18) [06!sil], throw icicle (3d18) [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 15:09:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:27 God writing. Making weaker elemental orbs as summons. wanted something still elemental, but not elementals, since Qazlal uses those. 15:11:46 @??orb of ice 15:11:46 orb of ice (12*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9612 | Sp: glaciate (10-198) [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 15:12:24 ouchies that already exists...and is worse than an OoF...Vault-Unique? 15:13:03 it's from sprint 15:15:03 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 15:15:12 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:14 I'm writing a god that the idea is {Name} is to Qazlal as Kiku is to Yred. Direct assistance with elemental schools; uses your highest elemental school instead of Invo skill. Writing the orbs as 'friendly fire capable summons. Each should take middling damage from (F.Storm, Glaciate, Tornado, Shatter) and ignore that at high Skill. 15:18:15 sargx (L20 GrBe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 402: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Vaults:1) 15:19:14 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:34 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 15:20:26 <|amethyst> !lm sargx crash x=vlong 15:20:27 4. [2015-03-19 20:18:00] [vlong=0.17-a0-114-g0a99873] sargx the Executioner (L20 GrBe of Trog) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 402: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Vaults:1) 15:20:44 <|amethyst> %rc sargx 15:20:45 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/sargx.rc 15:21:20 <|amethyst> rebuilding, that last commit should have fixed that 15:21:38 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 15:21:40 <|amethyst> (includes HilariousDeathArtist.rc which sets small_more) 15:23:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-116-ga9f4d1d (34) 15:24:39 <|amethyst> hm, I think I have fixed that long-time line reader crash when the user input is too big for the message area 15:24:48 <|amethyst> testing some more 15:24:53 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:25:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28:49 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:04 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:31:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:32:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:32:55 |amethyst: did you cherry-pick? 15:33:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:41 <|amethyst> wheals: no, because the crash isn't in 0.16 either 15:35:48 ah 15:35:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:58 <|amethyst> wheals: I had been holding off on cherry-picking it in case it caused problems :) 15:36:06 good plan :) 15:36:09 -!- BiGuy has quit [] 15:36:22 <|amethyst> this means a different crash with clear_messages is there 15:36:35 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:39 <|amethyst> but that one at least won't crash your game on startup when printing old messages 15:37:12 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:00 -!- FIQ has quit [Excess Flood] 15:39:31 -!- zjeremie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:19 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:44:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:44:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:26 -!- Guest80512 has quit [Excess Flood] 15:47:58 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:38 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:19 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52:30 -!- zjeremie has quit [Client Quit] 15:53:29 -!- zjeremie has quit [Client Quit] 15:56:26 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:00:06 -!- ces has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:26 -!- zjeremie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:50 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05:15 PleasingFungus: ok 16:05:15 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:05:38 PleasingFungus: one for devs, or normal players? 16:05:48 normal players 16:05:59 right now the only way to back up your save (as a player) is to log into console 16:06:00 'download save and delete it so you can't kee playing online' sorta thing? 16:06:03 which most players don't know how to do 16:06:35 also most players don't even know the option exists - it's not the thing you described 16:06:37 no, one that normal players can use for devs 16:06:45 sorry, shouldn't have assumed you knew about it, that was thoughtless 16:07:24 <_miek> you can backup your games? 16:07:27 sort of 16:07:36 <_miek> I mean you can't restore 16:07:38 the option zips up a copy of the save and provides a link to a place where devs can download it (requires a password, so players can't use it to preview their game state) 16:07:44 just a debugging tool 16:07:44 <_miek> ah. 16:07:54