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I just said that sort of in response to my own train of thought 01:30:23 excuse me 01:30:40 pre-empting my own suggestion 01:30:44 heh 01:30:48 if a unique doesn't kill you with the first couple wand zaps they aren't going to kill you with the rest anyway 01:31:10 I got spammed by a crimson imp for a good long while! 01:31:18 since either you walked away from the unique or you aren't taking noticeable damage 01:31:46 it made them more annoying, yes 01:31:51 true in most cases. This time I was a naga 01:32:00 huh, mapstat suggests that crazy yiuf shows up in about half of games 01:32:04 more than any other d unique 01:32:14 I wonder if that's sample size error? 100 runs isn't that many... 01:32:52 how much was the second most common unique? 01:33:03 100 isn't so small 01:34:56 03PleasingFungus02 07[unique_xp] * 0.17-a0-97-ga9f2d7d: Merge branch 'master' into unique_xp 10(5 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9f2d7d8f5f5 01:34:56 03PleasingFungus02 07[unique_xp] * 0.17-a0-98-g692c77e: Revert some unique placement changes 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=692c77e6d719 01:35:01 this is admittedly on a branch that adjusts unique ranges, but most of the other common uniques (pikel, menkaure, duvessa) hovered around 30/100 01:35:15 I'd have to re-run it to check what it is in trunk 01:36:10 -!- p1start has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:20 -!- p1start has left ##crawl-dev 01:37:40 hm 01:37:44 dgmo is a valid combo 01:37:46 and really shouldn't be 01:38:23 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:41 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:55 good catch 01:41:40 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:43:32 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:43:58 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:46:13 oops 01:46:21 that was sloppy 01:47:27 New branch created: dedgmo (1 commit) 01:47:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[dedgmo] * 0.17-a0-75-g5584f9f: Ban DgMo 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5584f9f7da59 01:49:01 caught it before chei noticed 01:50:27 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:53 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-80-gde53a18 01:53:28 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:57:46 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 02:00:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:53 -!- Plasmo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:36 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:14:20 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 02:14:47 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:24 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:42 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:16:28 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:29 The build passed. 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Anyway: fixed. 05:58:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let bloax know. 06:02:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:39 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:15:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:20 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 06:16:06 yaya 06:16:29 elliptic: |amethyst you can upudate the 0.16 build details on download.htm now, and then please redirect the old download page to the new download.htm 06:16:48 Napkin: when you get time, please look at gzip & ssl stuff i mentioned 06:17:02 Napkin: currently front page is ~1.5mb, could be ~200k 06:17:49 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:17:49 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 06:20:44 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:58 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:07 chequers: I don't have a shell account on CDO so I still can't do anything afaik, but |amethyst should be able to 06:24:16 -!- Icadius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:24:47 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:34 !tell gammafunk the executable works for me! It does install in program files (x86) -- given that it's that 64 bit version, it should install in Program Files, right? 06:26:35 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:29:48 didn't see your message about gzip & ssl 06:29:53 chequers 06:30:29 what about it? 06:43:01 hmm 06:43:44 multiple foo ugly things are shortened to ugly things in the monster list even if they are all the same colour 06:43:47 is that intentional? 07:03:24 -!- hy-on-github has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:27 Lasty: is ru frail mutually exclusive robustness from other sources? 07:13:47 -!- dididi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 07:16:38 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20:58 kvaak: yes. And it won't offer frail if y ou have robustness. 07:21:07 meh 07:21:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:22:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:23:01 -!- Spatzist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:24:24 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:24:49 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:30:26 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 07:33:33 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:11 g - 616 gold the ring of Peah {-Cast rPois rF+ rC+ Int+6 Stlth-} 07:35:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:35:20 can we at least not generate -Cast on Int+ rings 07:35:39 (I still don't like -Cast in general but this seems especially bad) 07:36:42 -!- tingol4 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:38:37 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:41:37 -!- tingol1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:43:47 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44:57 Reminds me of the -cast ring of int+11 07:44:57 Bloax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:45:03 !messages 07:45:04 (1/1) TZer0 said (1h 47m ago): it does work.. if you've used ssh once. Anyway: fixed. 07:53:15 -!- tingol2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:57:01 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 07:58:27 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:59:35 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm, what about the "keep your trogolodyte out of stat death" application? 07:59:36 |amethyst: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:00:15 |amethyst: pretty marginal/rare 08:00:20 though qw could use it right now :P 08:00:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:45 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk no worries... I annoyed myself when I realised only Mac builds were holding back the release... I would have pointed out earlier that we'd never had the mac builds on time :) 08:01:45 |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:02:42 |amethyst: the thing is that there are lots of +Int randarts that serve that function 08:02:54 <|amethyst> elliptic: yeah 08:03:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: I guess there are plenty of other cases where we disallow conflicting properties 08:04:45 <|amethyst> elliptic: the trog thing came up recently when someone asked about !brilliance under Trog (and why it isn't useless) 08:04:59 <|amethyst> s/useless/marked as &/ 08:05:33 <|amethyst> I think I would kind of like to see a minor alternative use for int 08:05:51 <|amethyst> just like str is not exclusively about armour 08:06:09 <|amethyst> but int doesn't need to be any stronger 08:06:37 <|amethyst> hm 08:06:49 <|amethyst> why wouldn't CAO be handling tile_display_mode 08:06:59 <|amethyst> in 0.16 specifically 08:07:01 are the mac builds still a problem? 08:09:01 <|amethyst> we released without them, but can put them up whenever they're ready 08:09:10 <|amethyst> so no huge rush 08:13:03 -!- stupid_idiot_cra has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:14:03 <|amethyst> !tell crate hm... does it work in 0.16 on any other servers? I'm not sure what would be different on CAO 08:14:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let crate know. 08:14:05 how the hell do you flay a tree 08:15:41 <|amethyst> kvaak: http://www.itmonline.org/image/euc1.jpg 08:16:10 I am fairly sure trees don't feel pain 08:16:50 afaik they are ready 08:16:58 and have been for a while 08:17:30 <|amethyst> kvaak: http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants 08:17:47 <|amethyst> geekosaur: oh 08:18:11 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/Dungeon%20Crawl%20Stone%20Soup%20-%20Console.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/Dungeon%20Crawl%20Stone%20Soup%20-%2-Tiles.zip 08:18:28 PF wasn't able to get them to work but others were 08:18:42 <|amethyst> hm 08:18:53 (I am assuming that caching from the first batch that I signed with the wrong key is the culprit) 08:19:08 (since 10.10 does a lot of caching that earlier releases didn't) 08:21:17 <|amethyst> second link was broken, but I figured out the %2- should have been %20 08:21:32 sigh, thought I fixed that 08:21:41 <|amethyst> hm... is this one of those things where the filename has to be exactly that? 08:21:46 no 08:21:47 so66015 | Tomb:2 | HP: 27/164 [flayed ghost/flay_damage[a mummy priest] (16)] 08:21:55 that doesn't look quite right 08:22:03 just how the mac generated the names when I zipped the app bundles 08:22:32 <|amethyst> kvaak: hmm... sure enough it says: 08:22:35 <|amethyst> defender->hurt(source, damage_taken, BEAM_NONE, 08:22:36 <|amethyst> KILLED_BY_MONSTER, "", "flay_damage", true); 08:23:14 well, duh 08:25:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:25 <|amethyst> they're in the correct place now anyway 08:29:03 <|amethyst> not linked yet 08:29:21 <|amethyst> I guess we'd want to coordinate that with an announcement 08:29:31 <|amethyst> and a sourceforge upload I guess? 08:31:09 <|amethyst> oh 08:32:00 <|amethyst> kvaak: and there is code that checks for that aux and does stuff based on it, but I guess that could change too 08:32:25 <|amethyst> I think dracoomega didn't realise that a non-lethal kaux could ever show up in game 08:35:13 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~posthumou 1 08:35:22 1/130. Zicher the Severer (L16 FoBe of Trog), slain by posthumous revenge on Snake:3 on 2014-03-13 09:06:14, with 106647 points after 33732 turns and 2:41:31. 08:35:22 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~posthumou -1 08:35:24 130. Glitz the Fighter (L11 SaAK of Lugonu), engulfed by posthumous revenge's freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-02-16 04:39:19, with 9657 points after 12672 turns and 4:42:54. 08:35:43 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~posthumou -1 x=cv 08:35:44 130. [cv=0.16-a] Glitz the Fighter (L11 SaAK of Lugonu), engulfed by posthumous revenge's freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-02-16 04:39:19, with 9657 points after 12672 turns and 4:42:54. 08:35:51 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~posthumou -1 x=vlong 08:35:53 130. [vlong=0.16-a0-3159-ge6ac362] Glitz the Fighter (L11 SaAK of Lugonu), engulfed by posthumous revenge's freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_03) on 2015-02-16 04:39:19, with 9657 points after 12672 turns and 4:42:54. 08:36:06 <|amethyst> oh, right, salamander branch 08:36:25 -!- Orphic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:45:55 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:46:56 <|amethyst> !tell wheals I was thinking about mindexicide... maybe we should have a way to look up a possibly-dead monster by mid. But I guess we'd also need a way to prevent that monster's slot from being re-used until the end of the turn. See 03ff99eb for an example of a case where we lose information because we can't get a beam's dead agent now 08:46:56 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 08:47:03 <|amethyst> !tell wheals I was thinking about mindexicide... maybe we should have a way to look up a possibly-dead monster by mid. But I guess we'd also need a way to prevent that monster's slot from being re-used until the end of the turn. 08:47:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 08:47:23 <|amethyst> !tell wheals See 03ff99eb for an example of a case where we lose information because we can no longer get a beam's dead agent. 08:47:24 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 08:51:13 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:30 -!- Severian is now known as Guest76173 08:51:57 is there any particular reason Gretell isn't announcing stuff 08:52:20 -!- Guest76173 has quit [Client Quit] 08:52:54 -!- Gretell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53:04 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:21 <|amethyst> we'll see if that helped 08:54:41 <|amethyst> !lm hermitwo x=v 08:54:42 19. [2015-03-14 13:53:28] [v=0.16.0] hermitwo the Whirler (L12 HaHu of Okawaru) killed the ghost of hermitwo the Slinger, an experienced HaHu of Okawaru on turn 13128. (D:10) 08:54:56 <|amethyst> I guess it did 08:55:11 <|amethyst> looks like it didn't get restarted after adding the 0.16 milestone/logfile paths 08:55:23 <|amethyst> @?-version 08:55:23 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-77-gee7a2f2 08:55:25 <|amethyst> @??-version 08:55:25 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-77-gee7a2f2 09:06:33 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 09:06:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 09:18:35 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:01 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:44 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:29:32 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 09:37:44 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:38:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:57:21 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:16 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:58:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:25 elliptic: was anyone actually that fond of -cast the last time we talked about it 09:59:42 FR: 09:59:52 when you pick up a ring that you already know the type of 09:59:59 it should turn off autopickup for that ring 10:00:00 PleasingFungus: I don't think so, no 10:00:11 ok 10:00:13 that was all 10:00:20 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:00:27 because that's clearly the second one, and you can't benefit from more 10:00:35 exception: octopode, finger necklace 10:00:44 rast: I pick up two rings of protection +1 10:00:46 <|amethyst> rings with plusses 10:00:47 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:00:52 |amethyst: :) 10:00:57 ah, right. other exception: rings with plusses 10:00:58 <|amethyst> hmm 10:01:12 but other than that! 10:01:14 also ring of rF+ etc 10:01:25 you don't want more than two ring of rF 10:01:40 you might if an OOF rolls around the corner 10:01:55 rast: oh, when you pick up the second ring 10:01:59 well obviously this wouldnt apply to octopodes 10:02:09 <|amethyst> does anyone know tile_display_mode, or more specifically, the webtiles feature where it loads some settings from your config? 10:02:37 <|amethyst> because crate says it's not working on CAO 0.16, but is working on CAO trunk and CSZO 0.16 10:03:11 another FR: when you drop a ring (not with plusses), it should turn off autopickup for that ring 10:03:49 <|amethyst> ammo 10:04:07 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:04:21 <|amethyst> err, I mean, ammo's the place I'd most like to see autopickup improved 10:04:33 rast: that seems like "being too clever for your own good" 10:04:35 <|amethyst> specifically, brands 10:04:37 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 10:04:38 |amethyst isnt the plan to mulch all 10:04:40 ah 10:05:13 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:21 <|amethyst> ??autopickup[5] 10:05:21 autopickup[5/5]: From lowest-priority to highest: autopickup (by symbol) option < autopickup_exceptions option < CLua add_autopickup_func < backslash menu < ctrl-a 10:05:32 <|amethyst> not sure what we can do to simplify that, but it would be nice 10:05:57 <|amethyst> this kind of automatic thing *should* be at a lower layer so it can be overridden by the player 10:06:25 <|amethyst> but right now I think the stuff you're suggesting could only be done through the game changing the \ settings 10:06:33 yeah, I was worrying about that 10:06:38 it could also be a .rc option 10:06:40 <|amethyst> or maybe through an add_autopickup_func that keeps its own state 10:07:05 <|amethyst> I'm not concerned about how the player sets it 10:07:14 <|amethyst> I'm concerned about what it overrides, and what overrides it 10:11:24 <|amethyst> hmm 10:11:35 <|amethyst> is there a Lua hook to add stash prefixes? 10:12:06 <|amethyst> or could do this in C++ 10:12:39 that's usually done with inscriptions? 10:12:41 <|amethyst> but you could have prefixes like {carrying_item_type} and {stacks_in_inv} 10:12:54 judging by hda-rc 10:13:09 <|amethyst> inscriptions are ugly and visible though :( 10:13:14 well 10:13:14 -!- Kolbur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:13:16 hda-rc, yes 10:15:01 <|amethyst> ah, ch_stash_search_annotate_item 10:15:14 <|amethyst> so it may be possible now with a combination of lua and autopickup_exceptions 10:15:31 <|amethyst> without being visible to players other than maybe in xv 10:15:49 <|amethyst> (and I think xv doesn't show userdef annotations anyway) 10:15:58 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:26 <|amethyst> btw, there is a #define for STASH_LUA_VIEW_ANNOTATE but we never use it 10:16:54 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 10:18:07 <|amethyst> ohh 10:24:29 Webtiles server restarted. 10:25:21 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:32 <|amethyst> I never did switch CAO over to using the launcher for stable games 10:26:53 <|amethyst> nor had I turned on send_json_options :) 10:27:13 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:01 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:41 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:59 is there any particular reason lord of darkness prohibits temple? 10:45:15 iirc "it's a branch" 10:45:30 it doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering temple has no other purpose than altars 10:45:37 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:45:42 and overflow altars are a thing, or they might not be a thing, in which case you scum for the one you want 10:48:40 I agree it probably isn't great, remind me or someone before next tourney and it can be changed 10:48:51 it's just like this for historical reasons really 10:48:57 will do 10:49:15 -!- lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:24 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:04 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:19 -!- Raurakos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:02:53 UI occassionally responds as if "Ctrl" key held down 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9543 by fambida 11:02:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:05:44 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:42 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:12:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:13:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:24:12 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:24:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:29:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:15 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:33 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:36:56 @??Hobgoblin 11:36:56 hobgoblin (07g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 2 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:40:15 tell me again why wands of the same type don't stack 11:40:36 number of charges 11:40:37 ? 11:40:47 it would just list the total 11:41:04 does it really make sense for a +0 plate to cost 800+ gold 11:41:16 i mean sure plate is good early but you couldn't afford it for 200 11:41:32 yeh, I'm thinking about it. possibly worth making that automatically managed 11:42:54 -!- Joestar has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:43:44 Wands stacking does change the gameplay of them very, very slightly (because of running out of charges on un-ID'd wands and to a lesser extent, recharging), unlike old elemental evokers, food, etc. stacking, but I don't think it would be harmful 11:44:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:25 it would certainly be a huge quality of life improvement (which is needed IMO now that players carry so many more misc items than in old versions) 11:45:12 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:30 yep. I'm just wondering about how tangled the code gets, which is always an issue with crawlcode >.> 11:45:53 you also have to decide what should happen if you pick up a wand with unknown charges that stacks with a wand with known charges 11:46:24 use the known charges first, seems easiest 11:46:31 personally I think just identifying the charges there is best, but I also really hate the new "waste wand charges on un-ID'd wands" behaviour 11:46:36 "at least N charges" in UI 11:47:11 I'm ambivalent about that. but I don't think much of the ID minigame anyway 11:47:13 geekosaur: so when you recharge a wand with "at least N charges", what happens? 11:47:56 I'd say the UI stays as is because you can't know any more? 11:48:17 the number of charges increases but you can't know how much if you haven't IDd all the wands' charges 11:48:31 so add {recharged} 11:48:35 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:05 geekosaur: so if I run an "at least N charges" wand out of known charges, and recharge it, does it become the same as an unidentified wand? if so, why did picking up an unidentified wand make my identified wand worse? 11:49:59 I'm just trying to maintain the ID minigame, which at least someone seems to think is important. this is more demonstrating why said minigame's a bad idea in general 11:50:50 * bh thinks the minigame is dull 11:50:50 * Sequell also thinks the minigame is dull 11:51:37 there's no good way to manage combining wands *and* maintain the minigame, really, is what it comes down to. which to me is a good argument for eliminating the minigame 11:51:43 but I'm not actually a dev, so. 11:52:21 (and my command of C++ is weak enough that I'm unlikely to become one any time soon) 11:52:24 geekosaur: your proposal doesn't maintain the ID minigame, it changes it completely: in your system if you have a fully identified wand with 0 charges, and pick up a new wand of the same type, your fully identified wand becomes fully unidentified 11:52:38 it "maintains" it in some sense 11:52:45 geekosaur: maintaining the ID minigame would be if recharging affected the "at least N charges" value instead of the unknown charges value 11:52:49 do you have a proposal that keeps the minigame? 11:53:12 geekosaur: yes I just gave it to you, but I don't like it because maintaining the minigame is unintuitive and unnecessary 11:53:27 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:34 but then I would ask why it only affects identified wands, and if I should lose charges if the IDd wands are already full 11:54:24 geekosaur: since you're already removing the ability to zap the unidentified part, why wouldn't you remove the ability to recharge it? 11:54:31 which is more likely to happen if ?recharge only applies to the IDd ones 11:55:05 How does the ID minigame improve the game 11:55:57 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:09 I hope that's intended for someone not talking in here right now, since I think all three of us have already said we don't think it does 11:57:17 It would make bad potions pointless, but that's about it 11:57:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:27 we've already made a start on replacing bad potions with situational ones, more can be done there (maybe make potion of decay useful for ghouls, for example?) 11:58:51 The ID minigame for potions/scrolls is completely different from the ID minigame for equipment and wands 11:59:02 specifically, it sort of has a point 11:59:11 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59:23 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 12:00:43 minmay: how is the ?! id game different from just reducing the spawn rate? 12:02:21 bh: you can get additional scrolls/potions by waiting for ID scrolls, at the cost of being less safe early on...I don't think it's actually interesting most of the time, but it does do *something* 12:02:33 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16.0-5-g717f7e7 12:07:10 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-80-gde53a18 (34) 12:07:56 -!- Isaiah_ is now known as Guest37561 12:12:29 -!- _Banana_ is now known as Banana2 12:13:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:27 ??charges 12:13:28 scroll of recharging[2/3]: Wand limits: invis, heal, haste, fireball, tele: 9; lightning, drain: 12; fire, cold: 15; other: 24. Note that these limits apply to recharging only, not starting values. One scroll will add to # of charges between 1 and two less than the maximum number of charges, weighted to the middle of the distribution. 12:13:36 which of those got doubled? 12:13:44 is it 9 24 30 48 now? 12:14:28 -!- Guest37561 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:13 don't you just love being utterly starved for ID scrolls and zapping your digging wand twice and using 6 charges 12:17:35 I think ti's just "other" that got doubled 12:17:40 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:47 also, why the fuck do lightning and drain still get less charges than fire and cold 12:22:36 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:23:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:07 because everyone loves lightning, all the noise it makes and the reduced damage it deals unless you specifically set up a bizap 12:24:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 12:24:51 I don't even bother picking up lightning wands 12:24:58 it's far too unreliable, usually a waste of a turn 12:25:10 i only identify wands of magic darts 12:25:15 I'd like to see them improved in some way but I don't know how to do that without infringing upon fire/cold 12:25:28 i don't mind the unreliability, bizap makes up for reduced accuracy and damage 12:25:37 noise is the reason i don't use them 12:25:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:49 fire/cold/draining are quiet, lightning makes the entire damn floor converge on you 12:26:09 if it was wand of static discharge I might use it 12:26:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:27:34 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:37 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:28:37 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:29:17 !tell PleasingFungus it seems kind of dumb that lightning/drain wands have fewer max charges than fire/cold wands...lightning/drain are lower level spells, even 12:29:18 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:29:59 I'd just put all of fireball/lightning/drain/fire/cold at 15 charges 12:30:06 so would I 12:30:32 !tell PleasingFungus I'd just put all of fireball/lightning/drain/fire/cold at 15 charges so would I 12:30:33 elliptic: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:30:40 (why are we !telling PF?) 12:31:16 I dunno, I just felt like pestering him 12:31:38 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:31:44 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:32:15 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:32:45 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:03 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:32 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:40 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:54 -!- Banana2 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:51:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Client Quit] 12:55:50 ??bizap 12:55:51 I don't have a page labeled bizap in my learndb. 12:56:55 <|amethyst> ??trizap 12:56:56 trizap[1/2]: aye, you gotta bounce those bolts, trizap the fool, or you end up dead like a dolt, with your blood in a pool 13:08:56 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 13:16:06 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:17:20 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:31 why can't there just be a set timer on when to slap a stair down in your view in the abyss 13:21:54 after 500-750 turns slap one in your face 13:23:21 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24:25 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:24:26 was the melee damage formula/distribution somehow changed in .16? 13:24:45 not afaik, why? 13:25:22 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:43 no reason really, I just vaguely recall there being discussion about the (unlikely) extremes like ettins meleeing for triple digits, must've been a tavern post 13:27:00 <|amethyst> yeah, that was tavern 13:34:49 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:35:56 "- Improve Randart. Increase a good stat, or decrease a bad one. Offered with every randart (so you can see what would change), but can only be used once per game. The Heirloom is passed on to another game when you die, but disappears after that (like player ghosts?), and has your name on it." 13:36:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:53 !tell minmay pester pester 13:36:54 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 13:37:27 PleasingFungus: "- Improve Randart. Increase a good stat, or decrease a bad one. Offered with every randart (so you can see what would change), but can only be used once per game. The Heirloom is passed on to another game when you die, but disappears after that (like player ghosts" 13:37:27 minmay: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:37:57 is that a bcadrenism? 13:38:18 PleasingFungus: close. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=211557#p211557 13:38:46 item vault 13:38:48 ...is it really irrational of me to be annoyed at people spelling payday "PayDay" 13:39:26 <|amethyst> It's only irrational if you correct them 13:39:32 <|amethyst> or fly into a blood rage 13:39:55 well, I was playing mummy, so obviously the latter isn't an option. 13:39:57 hm 13:40:00 !won minmay mu 13:40:01 minmay (mu) has won 44 times in 1685 games (2.61%): 6xMuBe 4xMuIE 3xMuEE 3xMuFE 2xMuAE 2xMuCK 2xMuCj 2xMuFi 2xMuGl 2xMuNe 2xMuWz 1xMuAK 1xMuAM 1xMuAr 1xMuAs 1xMuDK 1xMuEn 1xMuHu 1xMuMo 1xMuSk 1xMuSt 1xMuSu 1xMuVM 1xMuWn 1xMuWr 13:40:18 minmay: my mu winrate is better than yours, thus proving me the superior human being and/or mummy 13:40:25 *mathematically proving 13:41:30 !won mikee mu 13:41:31 mikee (mu) has won 5 times in 25 games (20.00%): 1xMuAr 1xMuFE 1xMuJr 1xMuMo 1xMuVM 13:41:37 !won . mu 13:41:38 PleasingFungus (mu) has won once in 2 games (50.00%): 1xMuAs 13:41:41 behold...... 13:41:49 mumminess is not about the winrate 13:41:50 its a state of mind 13:42:08 PleasingFungus: are you my mummy? 13:42:14 terrifying 13:42:24 hm. I wonder if rock can ever appear in Vaults 13:42:33 it's not the mummy on your crawl account. it's the mummy in your heart 13:42:40 I don't think I have one of those. 13:44:00 <|amethyst> My wife has a heart mummy 13:44:01 it would be nice if magic mapping in vaults didn't display as the goofy "vaults rock" 13:44:03 in tiles 13:44:07 <|amethyst> oh, murmur 13:44:09 <|amethyst> that was it 13:44:12 ... 13:44:46 Lol 13:44:50 <|amethyst> heh 13:45:23 man, this code is really bad. 13:45:32 major ownage over here i just got a rune and i`m hungry for more 13:45:36 -!- Ladykiller69 is now known as InternMiles 13:45:45 nice!! 13:48:53 hrm. Is there a good way to get a recording in desktop tiles with a fixed pause between actions? 13:53:50 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 13:56:40 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:25 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:36 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:54 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:57 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:01 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:07:08 bh: http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ Wink would sort of work, it can capture a "frame" on every input, but it's old and kind of cruddy 14:09:00 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:10:19 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10:40 -!- Plasmo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:53 -!- Monkaria_ is now known as monkaria 14:12:01 -!- monkaria is now known as Monkaria 14:15:33 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:15:37 Lasty: Thanks for testing. Re the install location, did you use the 64-bit version I gave you in that url, or the 32-bit one that's on the download page? 14:15:37 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:17:18 gammafunk: the 64 bit link you sent me 14:17:18 Lasty: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:17:32 Yeah, that's weird then 14:18:14 kvaak: Sweet! I'm popular! 14:20:40 I guess we should link to both 32 and 64 bit windows versions 14:22:00 er 14:22:27 is the old cdo page just not available 14:23:22 I guess we should find a way to link to http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/ or move some of that content to the new page 14:23:58 and the download links are out of date on the new download page 14:24:13 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:25:16 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:22 it's still there through "all news" and probably other links 14:25:38 but yeah fancy new downloads page being out of date is a shame 14:26:02 didn't Nap.kin give the crawl user write access to www stuff? 14:26:06 If so I can probably change it 14:26:42 download links, as up-to-date as the wiki 14:27:14 yeah I have write access it seems 14:27:16 (if you can change it you should change that too, i think failing that i read something about pull requests on some repo being the way to update the website) 14:28:05 yeah I don't see a repo, but I can modify this 14:28:11 Will try to do that in a bit 14:28:34 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:29:13 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29:17 http://crawl.develz.org/pizza.htm 14:29:34 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29:55 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:29:55 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:16 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:16 -!- Charmandara has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:16 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:16 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:37 -!- Scytalen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:01 really 14:31:20 that page is no page mimic! 14:32:01 I want to say that came along with chequers website remake repo, but I could be wrong 14:32:13 http://i.imgur.com/U23V1ST.png 14:32:20 I'm not entirely convinced beogh wrath scales very well 14:32:31 (that's the third summon effect so far, and the most dangerous one) 14:32:43 -!- Monkaria_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:55 those wargs are so fast though! 14:32:58 I don't think that's the scaling, beogh wrath summons are pathetic even early 14:33:24 well you probably don't get warlords early since those are not 14:33:59 the dangerous part of beogh retribution is the 120 damage smites 14:34:04 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:07 -!- Scytalen_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:17 which scale very well 14:34:19 _A warg, 4 orcs, an orc warrior and an orc warlord come into view. 14:34:25 yeah, I'm just waiting for one 14:34:30 except "either instantly kill you or do nothing" is a pretty bad wrath effect 14:34:34 but it scales well! 14:36:12 the dancing weapons are also pretty silly with orc slaying gone 14:36:13 minmay's favorite god and his favorite god wrath as well! 14:36:37 Milork the orc warlord 14:36:37 i actually hate gozag more than beogh 14:36:37 ooh, he has a name 14:36:38 and hate several other wraths more than beogh wrath 14:37:01 I stil get this feeling of disbelief when I see a gozag altar in a stable version 14:37:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:59 hm 14:39:10 I'm in the early stages of drafting a combined orc/lair rework 14:39:18 trying to decide how I feel about lair's current monster set 14:39:25 what happened to your retirement 14:39:43 _Beogh throws an implement of electrocution at you. 14:39:43 _A battleaxe of electrocution comes into view. 14:39:56 wraths I hate more: chei, ely, nemelex, vehumet 14:41:01 PleasingFungus: Hmm, sounds interesting. 14:41:45 lair has a pretty good monster set, although I don't like river rats and I guess sheep 14:41:50 lair monster set in my view is "blink frog, spiny frog, black mamba, fire drake, fire crab/lindworm/somethingfromslime if you're unlucky, and junk" 14:42:04 Lair has some popcorn (hounds, adders, crocodiles, etc.) that should be cleaned up, I don't like sheep or river rats. 14:42:35 http://pastebin.com/0uRztSwb 14:42:47 I could see cutting a bunch of monsters from Lair and just shaving off a floor. I was also thinking of trying to "Make Lair rune branches only 3 levels long" idea for 0.17 14:43:02 torpor snail definitely does not do that 14:43:03 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:20 and boulder beetle is the slowest monster in the branch 14:43:47 boulder beetles are a novelty, but they're pretty ineffective as monsters 14:43:51 boulder beetle would only be meaningfully fast if it were impossible for players to move, which is never the case in crawl 14:43:55 sheep and river rats are a good source of divine protein 14:44:05 they're just a monster that can never actually hit you, ever, if you're paying any attention at all 14:44:15 yeah pretty much 14:44:28 enh. 14:44:45 the only time i ever got hit by one was when i made a typo 14:44:47 Oh yes I haven't felt porcupines or water moccasins as threatening either. 14:45:03 I wonder 14:45:04 porcupines existing is just baffling 14:45:06 at least those are faster than speed 10 14:45:13 and water moccasins poison you 14:45:16 !lg * recent br=lair s=ikiller 14:45:17 29924 games for * (recent br=lair): 2596x a spiny frog, 1966x a komodo dragon, 1695x a blink frog, 1651x a death yak, 1477x a black mamba, 1234x an eight-headed hydra, 1045x, 1006x a yak, 992x a seven-headed hydra, 964x Rupert, 780x a six-headed hydra, 601x Snorg, 486x a wolf, 480x a five-headed hydra, 391x Maud, 367x an elephant, 364x an electric eel, 356x an oklob plant, 334x a dire elephant, 32... 14:45:17 @??porcupine 14:45:17 porcupine (02r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 11-22 | AC/EV: 2/12 08(spiny 3) | Dam: 7 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 142 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:45:23 huh, speed 12 14:45:25 who knew 14:45:27 I have never actually noticed porcupines being faster than speed 10 14:45:45 they're kind of vaguely noticeable when spriggan stabbing 14:45:49 I mean monster spines existing is just baffling in general, but especially porcupines, especially since they were added *before monster spines* 14:45:54 hahaha 14:46:03 I just played a spriggan stabber and I didn't notice! 14:46:32 it's like, "dang, I lost 5 of my 50 hp stabbing this porcupine" 14:46:32 porcupines existed before spines? huh. 14:47:37 !lg * recent br=lair s=ckiller 14:47:38 29925 games for * (recent br=lair): 5029x a hydra, 2605x a spiny frog, 1970x a komodo dragon, 1730x a blink frog, 1720x a death yak, 1486x a black mamba, 1056x a yak, 966x Rupert, 931x a player ghost, 727x quitting, 602x Snorg, 492x a wolf, 391x Maud, 381x an elephant, 364x an electric eel, 358x an oklob plant, 334x a dire elephant, 323x a catoblepas, 321x Gastronok, 294x Harold, 270x a boulder be... 14:47:50 quitting, top lair killer 14:48:18 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:05 reaverb: I'm serious 14:49:14 %git :/Give porcupines their spines 14:49:15 07MarvinPA02 * 0.11-a0-214-g52d643f: Give porcupines their spines at last 10(3 years, 1 month ago, 3 files, 64+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=52d643f639d2 14:49:20 porcupine spines got nerfed recently I think 14:49:20 I'm assuming Orc change #1 is to not flood the player with vanilla orcs. 14:49:29 when spine mechanics got changed 14:49:41 not that they were a good monster before either 14:49:44 minmay: Yeah I don't doubt you, it just struck me as an amusing concidence. 14:50:38 !lg * killer=porcupine 1 x=v 14:50:39 1/553. [v=0.8.0-a0] qwqw the Infuser (L10 SpEn of Ashenzari), mangled by a porcupine on Lair:1 on 2011-01-01 23:37:50, with 5477 points after 5032 turns and 0:22:08. 14:50:45 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:50:45 good 14:50:51 http://pastebin.com/bq7WdAZF here are my notes so far 14:50:53 (that was intentional) 14:51:09 >implying it's possible to unintentionally die to a porcupine 14:52:03 reaverb: what's a coincidence? 14:52:33 That we had a monster which was spiny before spines became a mechanic. 14:52:35 PleasingFungus: oh man, this would produce so much wordpress drama 14:52:41 is lair really thought to be always the right first choice? i usually go orc first 14:52:42 my favorite kind 14:53:04 reaverb: to be fair, *player* spines were a mechanic when porcupine was added 14:53:08 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:28 reaverb: ...actually, come to think of it, that kind of makes it worse 14:53:36 PleasingFungus: Not sure adding a bunch of new monsters in one go is great....generally I've seen the best monster designs are hard to force. Also I don't think Lair/Orc need to be the same length to make visiting one or the other first an intereting decision. 14:53:41 also spiny frog 14:53:53 reaverb: they don't have to be the same length, no. 14:53:56 minmay: Hmm. 14:54:13 Well, I would assume (hope) that it would come along with removing a bunch of monsters 14:54:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:28 not liking the "add a bunch of new combat mechanics" part though 14:54:29 minmay: all of the monsters I haven't listed wouldn't be in lair (except maybe some very rare ones) 14:54:45 from the game, not just from lair 14:54:54 that's harder but probably feasible 14:55:17 I think it's probably possible to separate redesigning monsters sets from balancing risk/reward of the branches 14:55:27 probably this should be two or three big reforms instead of one 14:55:52 Not sure removing elephants from the Lair is good...what prompted the idea of removing them? 14:55:56 adding a bunch of new monsters/mechanics sounds like something to be done separately if at all (I think we have too many already probably...) 14:56:12 elephants are just about the best monster in lair IMO 14:56:47 really 14:56:59 how do you figure that 14:57:15 well okay that's an exaggeration but they are the best pack monster IMO 14:57:31 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:51 speed 10 melee monsters that help push you away from their packmates 14:58:05 because they are at a good difficulty level and make it harder to position yourself at chokepoints against them 14:58:11 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:25 you might want to consider that not everyone plays minmaycrawl 14:58:31 I'm also like death yaks, plain melee is perfectly fine it's just some of the other melee in the Lair is horribly underpowered. I guess that can be filled by any speed 10+ monster at the same place along the power curve. 14:58:33 they only push you away from packmates if you're fighting themin the open 14:58:39 and probably want to kill things for the experience 14:58:39 yaks are too easy for most chars in lair, death yaks are too hard unless you separate them one at a time with stairs 14:58:40 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58:47 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:58:57 separating elephants with stairs is harder because of trample 14:59:47 and yeah, elephants are in a good difficulty spot 15:00:00 I fully support any lair/orc reform and was thinking about suggesting something like this myself 15:00:01 @??komodo_dragon 15:00:01