00:00:03 we'll make it so you get a warning if you start trunk once the tournament starts 00:00:23 |amethyst: via webtiles or console? 00:00:38 New branch created: dracreform (2 commits) 00:00:38 03PleasingFungus02 07[dracreform] * 0.17-a0-70-gce018db: (Almost) remove (monster) pale & grey draconians 10(64 minutes ago, 11 files, 34+ 44-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce018dbd11a3 00:00:38 03PleasingFungus02 07[dracreform] * 0.17-a0-71-g30970d6: (Mostly) remove draconian scorchers & knights 10(30 minutes ago, 25 files, 75+ 128-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30970d672f6d 00:00:41 <|amethyst> webtiles 00:00:50 for trunk? 00:01:05 <|amethyst> 0.16 00:01:08 -!- Doctell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:58 oh, as in you can't click the text area? 00:02:28 <|amethyst> yeah 00:02:33 I've noticed that too, it's some css bug. as a workaround, you can drag & drop a textfile onto the square and it will popular 00:02:36 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:39 *populate 00:02:50 <|amethyst> err 00:02:57 <|amethyst> I don't use a file manager 00:03:08 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:25 well, css or js 00:03:26 yeah I get same 00:03:33 can edit trunk and evoker 00:03:38 not 0.16 or 0.15 00:03:54 are either of trunk & evoker blank? 00:04:03 0.16 rc URLs like https://crawl.project357.org/dcss-rc-0.16/chequers.rc don't work 00:04:06 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:04:38 <|amethyst> Yes, both were blank 00:04:59 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:04:59 elliptic: this is the only 0.16 rc file so far, and it works https://crawl.project357.org/dcss-rc-0.16/patrick.rc 00:04:59 -!- AltReality has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:05:03 -!- Alter-Ego is now known as AltReality 00:05:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:32 seems to be related to the file being empty 00:05:39 once I drag a file onto it and save 00:05:48 I can edit from then on 00:05:48 that's what I said :P 00:05:53 chequers: playing a game doesn't generate an rcfile? 00:06:17 03PleasingFungus02 07[dracreform] * 0.17-a0-72-g4553ecb: Oops 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4553ecbcdd19 00:06:20 <|amethyst> chequers: oh 00:06:21 elliptic: I guess not. I think most servers automatically create it with an init_player_program 00:06:30 chequers: no I mean subsequent edits are fine as well, which isn't clear from what you said (if that's what you meant) 00:06:38 oh, my bad 00:06:40 as in, the editing always works if there's content 00:06:42 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:51 <|amethyst> chequers: I edited my 0.15 rc file from console (saved it as empty) and I could edit it 00:07:01 yes, that's what I see. I haven't looked into this problem before so I don't have much more info 00:07:01 <|amethyst> could edit it from webtiles after that, I mean 00:07:07 -!- omni5cie1ce_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:12 yeah it's borking when the file is empty 00:07:13 <|amethyst> generate rc files when users log in 00:07:15 I can probably fix that bug 00:07:17 I thought we wanted to give players a default rcfile with stuff commented out, anyway 00:07:22 <|amethyst> that's why the other servers do that 00:07:23 <|amethyst> that too 00:07:24 is that no longer standard behavior? 00:07:36 <|amethyst> elliptic: CPO is non-standard :) 00:07:38 gammafunk: I can look at it later, if you want 00:07:44 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.0-0-g8226572 00:07:56 I think I recall where the bug is actually 00:07:59 it's maybe client-side 00:08:04 <|amethyst> chequers: oh, and there's no 0.16 in console, but I think you knew that already 00:08:06 |amethyst: right, but I mean that this is whole reason why we have this all-comments rcfile :P 00:08:06 ok, I'll leave it with you, react scares me 00:08:15 |amethyst: yeah sorry, textfile is half open 00:08:34 to make it easier for players to understand how it works 00:08:36 -!- ebering_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:45 <|amethyst> chequers: I do agree with elliptic that we should give players the default rc rather than an empty file 00:09:01 well the shell command gets run to do that, usually 00:09:07 there's even a webtiles option for it 00:09:19 maybe it doesn't populate rc though 00:09:20 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:20 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:20 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:21 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:22 -!- yuastnav has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:22 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:23 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:23 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:23 -!- dark_star has quit [Excess Flood] 00:09:23 -!- 18VACFESE has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:24 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:24 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:24 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:24 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:24 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:25 -!- zerkmund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:25 -!- omni5cience_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:26 I think it does 00:09:26 -!- 18VACFESE has quit [Ping timeout: 243 seconds] 00:09:26 -!- Jonatan has quit [Ping timeout: 243 seconds] 00:09:43 populating the init by default makes sense, but I wonder if I can do it without creating a no-op file for every player 00:09:57 maybe some opt-in "load the default init" button on that window 00:10:06 !source util/webtiles-init-player.sh 00:10:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/util/webtiles-init-player.sh;hb=HEAD 00:10:08 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-72-gd614ac0 (34) 00:10:18 yeah it does 00:10:18 <|amethyst> chequers: you mean the "reset" button? 00:10:28 I'm not sure what reset does tbh 00:10:38 reset undoes your changes probably 00:10:39 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:50 e.g. reset to previous state 00:10:50 <|amethyst> reset makes it an empty file right now on CPO 00:11:03 <|amethyst> it's supposed to copy the default rc in 00:11:08 <|amethyst> at least that's what it does in console 00:11:18 oh yeah I guess it does doesn't it 00:11:25 you get a prompt about it in webtiles 00:12:17 <|amethyst> if you want it to be opt-in, you could copy in the default the first time the player clicks on "edit rc" 00:12:18 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:26 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:12:27 <|amethyst> that way it's transparent 00:12:48 yeah, but for tournament, I can probably just make a patch so that the empty rc is editable 00:12:55 and chequers can maybe commit locally 00:13:17 or he can use the sh script if he's not doing that, just any short-term fix 00:13:32 or we can force the |amethysts of the world to use file managers! 00:13:45 enjoy a Brave New World 00:14:04 I'll definitely fix the bug in the next few days 00:14:30 if you can gimme a commit to do so please do gammafunk :) 00:14:48 yeah will do 00:14:50 otherwise I'll hack up a solution myself, like returning '' for an empty rc file contents or something that'll work 00:14:59 chequers: btw which webtiles are you using (commit-wise) 00:15:54 2de7215c5f54760f9a747edc293e6a621ee28362 Webtiles: Add /dgl-status handler. 00:16:06 chequers: so for clan registration to be possible using CPO rcfiles, the tourney scripts need some way to grab all existing 0.16 rcfiles, or at least the top couple of lines 00:16:18 yeah https://crawl.project357.org/dcss-rc-0.16/gammafunk.rc doesn't work for me either 00:16:21 404 00:16:24 elliptic: like, you need a dir? 00:16:30 dirlisting 00:16:41 chequers: for most servers this is done using recursive wget on a dir, yeah 00:17:05 gammafunk: well, it will return not-404 once you save it 00:17:09 chequers: CDO uses a cgi-bin script instead to parse the rcfiles (with 'grep -n "^# TEAM" *.rc') 00:17:18 yeah I probably reset it 00:17:24 gammafunk: the only rc is patric.rc right now 00:17:25 chequers: see http://crawl.develz.org/cgi-bin/teams-0.15.sh 00:17:31 elliptic: I'll get you a dirlisting 00:17:59 chequers: yeah there we go 00:20:38 -!- Doctell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:07 If I could just hear back from the south korean admin... 00:23:19 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm, the instructions on clan names are a little confusing when it comes to spaces 00:23:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: it says "Clan names must contain only alphanumeric characters, underscores, and hyphens. Underscores will be converted into spaces." but I can include a space in the # TEAMNAME comment and it seems to work 00:23:56 elliptic: https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/ 00:24:15 elliptic: i killed the old format 00:24:38 &rc chequers 00:24:39 $(~rc chequers git) 00:24:44 &rc elliptic 00:24:46 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/elliptic.rc 00:25:14 <|amethyst> note that the trailing slash appears to be necessary, as is Right and Good 00:25:39 indeed 00:25:46 that rc file is offensive to me 00:25:49 although I just "fixed" it since the other url's don't require it 00:26:00 -' 00:26:18 can you do 00:26:23 pizza = let's remove pizza in 0.17 00:26:23 &rc gammafunk cao 00:26:25 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-cao/gammafunk.rc 00:26:31 er 00:26:41 <|amethyst> @rc gammafunk 00:26:41 http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/gammafunk.rc 00:26:41 hm, the directory listing works but URLs like https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/patrick.rc return 404 00:26:41 <|amethyst> !rc gammafunk 00:26:41 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 00:26:47 chequers: ^^^^ 00:26:48 |amethyst: I'm spoiled by &dump 00:26:50 hahaha 00:26:59 &rc gammafunk 0.16 cao 00:27:01 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/gammafunk.rc 00:27:07 is the syntax 00:27:09 oh 00:27:10 <|amethyst> aha 00:27:21 (doesn't work for all servers currently) 00:27:43 (I can update it once I figure out where all rcfiles are for tourney) 00:27:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:27:56 i feel bad about hte way i fixed it, but i fixed it 00:27:59 <|amethyst> wait what 00:28:04 <|amethyst> message_colour ^= mute:bardiche of holy wrath glows black briefly 00:28:05 <|amethyst> ?? 00:28:22 |amethyst: that was before I fixed 00:28:27 <|amethyst> oh 00:28:31 %git :/Scythe 00:28:31 07elliptic02 * 0.16-b1-4-g3de488c: Don't try to curse holy wrath weapons with Scythe of Curses. 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3de488c919a5 00:28:36 <|amethyst> and you happened to have a bardiche in that game 00:28:41 yes, in my inventory 00:28:51 so I got that message every 30 turns (on average) 00:28:55 haha 00:29:02 <|amethyst> I figure you'd do just holy wrath glows black briefly 00:29:08 <|amethyst> s/gure/gured/ 00:29:21 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29:25 chequers: "500 Internal Server Error" now 00:29:27 <|amethyst> but the bardiche gives it a personal touch 00:29:39 what url elliptic 00:29:47 same as before 00:29:51 https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/Ultraviolent4.rc works for me 00:29:58 <|amethyst> yeah, seems to work for me 00:30:19 https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/patrick.rc is failing for me but that one works 00:30:23 oh, I killed the old /rc-trunk-chequers.cs stuff, if that's what you're trying 00:30:32 <|amethyst> patrick.rc works for me 00:30:40 probably some browser cache issue then 00:31:12 the recursive wget works fine anyway :) 00:31:18 glad to get these little kinks worked out 00:32:17 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:22 gammafunk: https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl/commits/webtiles-changes I have code to auto-create guest accounts 00:32:37 gammafunk: the catch is I need to change the JS to show 'play game' buttons for non-logged-in users. help 00:34:15 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:43 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 00:35:13 chequers: I'll take a look, but just browsing it: recommend always use "" for strings unless you're using a " 00:35:20 in the string 00:36:01 I have a bunch of stuff I need to get in webtiles-changes, so hopefully I can get this and mr...that guy's js contrib reorg as well 00:36:33 mrwooster 00:36:39 i haven't seen that, link? 00:37:00 gammafunk: actually this code is pretty borked, don't look further yet 00:37:12 haha, don't worry, I won't have time a while 00:37:17 you can clean it up and I'll never know 00:37:20 ?/mrwooster 00:37:20 No matches. 00:37:22 ah 00:38:07 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:18 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:25 chequers: mrwooster's stuff is https://github.com/guyht/crawl/tree/webtiles-changes 00:38:52 hrm well that might not be right 00:38:55 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:04 ah yeah, it's https://github.com/guyht/crawl/commits/mrwooster-dev 00:39:09 he made a different branch 00:41:57 ta 00:42:12 will poke later this week 00:44:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:46:17 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:19 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:48 ?/great annihilating truth 00:55:49 Matching entries (1): roctavian[1]: never mind Ru; roctavian *is* the great annihilating truth 00:55:57 ah ok 01:01:14 gammafunk: fyi i pushed a few fixes to the rc handling functions in ws_handler if you are going to look at them too 01:01:29 gammafunk: https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl/commit/e2ad97ccd5bf28364f64840d3911e5a51edf1514 01:01:48 (based on errors i saw during that testing) 01:02:48 oh that should be in a try 01:02:49 that remove 01:03:01 rather than a one-off test 01:03:09 it wasn't before, but it also should have been 01:03:11 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:29 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:03:30 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 01:03:48 maybe I can find a good example for you 01:04:53 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:21 so try: os.remove except OSError: pass ? 01:05:32 try this, one sec 01:05:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:54 The build passed. (0.16.0 - 8226572 #1958 : gammafunk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/54048946 01:05:54 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:06:41 chequers: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/webserver/ws_handler.py;h=c20eb853570c0f1f68ad60fb2a0c58d72b40ae5c;hb=webtiles-changes#l619 01:07:07 but with os.remove or w/e instead of open 01:07:38 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:39 environmenterror will get your oserror and the other common exception class from system-related errors 01:07:55 and logging.error reports it properly 01:08:21 ok 01:08:44 it shouldn't be errored though, you get the error when you try to reset and there's no file there currently 01:08:51 so just silently squelching is sensible imo? 01:09:08 is there a way to macro searing ray and the subsequent waitcasting but to not wait if the initial cast fails? 01:09:15 no this handles if os.remove fails for any reason 01:09:47 ah I see what you mean 01:09:55 you don't want an error if the file doesn't exist 01:10:00 oh right. got it 01:10:48 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:24 i'll push that and hopefully a guest fix later tonight 01:12:54 I probably won't do much merging for webtiles-changes until after tourney fwiw 01:12:59 or maybe until near end 01:13:05 so no rush 01:13:10 but I will check out that rc thing 01:13:35 you can try out things on cpo as you like, since it's your server, of course! 01:14:21 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:16:34 yeah 01:17:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:39 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 01:19:40 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 01:21:18 argh 01:21:30 time for a break 01:23:58 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:32:02 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:32:42 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:34:10 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:52 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:39:53 -!- rophy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:47:59 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:55 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:51:12 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:54:01 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:36 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:49 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:02 FR: summoned demons do not open doors you close repeatedly 02:05:06 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:06:40 seconded 02:12:00 i almost died to a storm dragon because i closed a door on it and then my demonic guardian opened the door 02:12:07 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:15:01 !lg . dswr -tv:T42400 02:15:02 15. minmay, XL27 DsWr, T:72415 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:15:07 this should be it 02:15:13 Second 02:15:16 I'm not in termcast yet 02:15:35 Oh, good, it's taking forever 02:15:40 you know, just in case I needed more reasons to hate demonic guardian 02:15:51 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:15:52 I remember someone used it usefully 02:16:06 I think it was Ragdoll, and the demonic guardian in question was a small abomination 02:16:08 syraine, have you met berder yet? he's really outdone you 02:16:12 and, eventually, an Executioner 02:16:20 !lg berder ktyp=cloud killer=hobgoblin 02:16:20 No games for berder (ktyp=cloud killer=hobgoblin). 02:16:22 no 02:16:49 wow, this /is/ taking forever 02:17:01 Minmay, in my most recent game I reached zero Dexterity 02:17:12 I in fact picked up a +2 ring of dexterity at 0 Dexterity 02:17:43 Then I ate mutagenic chunks until I got brittle, stealthy bones (???) so that was okay 02:17:49 it started 02:18:01 here it comes 02:18:38 good 02:18:40 this is my fantasy 02:18:50 I was thinking, an ufetubus can open a door roughly 150% faster than I can close one 02:19:16 'Good thing it's not a sixfirhy' 02:19:32 ??berder 02:19:32 high quality gear[1/1]: !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<1.2 02:19:56 Minmay, is there more door opening fun in this 02:20:03 no 02:20:08 Mmk 02:20:18 What does berder do, anyway 02:20:19 also that high quality gear tv is the most boring thing ever, i dont know why i havent deleted that entry 02:20:31 I'll just superspeed it 02:20:59 ok 02:21:06 ok 02:21:14 !learn del high_quality_gear[1] 02:21:15 Deleted high quality gear[1/1]: !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<1.2 02:21:28 !learn add high_quality_gear[1] !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<0.5:x1.3 02:21:29 high quality gear[1/1]: !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<0.5:x1.3 02:21:31 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:46 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16.0-0-g8226572 02:21:50 syraine: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/search.php?author_id=3270&sr=posts&ch=-1 02:21:59 !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<0.5:x1.5 02:22:00 2/3. Berder, XL11 DrWn, T:14129 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 02:22:15 Hey, that sounds like me 02:22:17 Except 02:22:19 Oops, I just noticed we're in -dev 02:22:25 Yes, it's nice and quiet here 02:22:31 Hello, cszo logger 02:23:07 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:27:14 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [] 02:27:24 -!- daiy has quit [] 02:28:11 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:13 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:30:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:18 The build has errored. (dracreform - 4553ecb #1960 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/54051917 02:30:19 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:32:59 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:30 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-72-gd614ac0 (34) 02:33:47 lg berder lab 2 -tv:<0.5:x1.3 02:33:51 !lg berder lab 2 -tv:<0.5:x1.3 02:33:52 2/3. 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05:23:57 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:53 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:30:05 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:31:50 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:37 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 05:39:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:40:29 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:13 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:22:23 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:32 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:28:13 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:25 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:38:35 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:44 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:14 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:08:33 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:13:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:04 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:22:20 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:41:21 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:42:07 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:56:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:57:25 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:02 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:00:57 UristPineapples (L16 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob plant failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 08:05:26 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:57 UristPineapples (L16 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster vampire failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 08:28:44 !tell pleasingfungus hmm, not entirely sure i agree that scorchers are redundant, they have hurty hellfire at least. good riddance on knights though (and that knight spellbook arghgh monster simulacrum) 08:28:44 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:28:44 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:34:14 -!- Gale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:37:24 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:36 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:48:23 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:24 -!- xordid has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:52:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:58:50 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:28 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 09:07:45 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:23 -!- speranza has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 09:24:52 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 09:24:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:38 -!- raskol` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:38:18 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:43:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44:51 !tell pleasingfungus maybe hellfire_club could have gotten deep elf sorcerers? (probably hangedman will just show up,complain, and repair it anyway though) 09:44:51 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 09:48:05 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:55:22 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:04:42 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:06:16 !messages 10:06:16 No messages for TZer0. 10:12:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:10 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:33 @??draconian zealot 10:12:33 red draconian zealot (09q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-87 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1617 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], hellfire burst (3d15) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], animate dead [11!AM], minor healing (2d8) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:12:37 @??draconian scorcher 10:12:37 red draconian scorcher (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 73-89 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1677 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), b.magma (3d25), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire (3d20) burst [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:13:02 @??deep elf sorcerer 10:13:02 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 53-74 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 1664 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, sum.demon, hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:13:12 flavors of hellfire... 10:13:13 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14:21 MarvinPA: my reasoning was that drac zealots also had hellfire, though admittedly I hadn't realized scorchers had two different kinds of hellfire to zealots' one 10:15:01 @??deep elf high priest 10:15:02 deep elf high priest (09e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-58 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 14 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1045 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], hellfire burst (3d15) [11!AM], malign offering (2d17) [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], twisted resurrection [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:15:07 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:15:15 !tell wheals yeah, deep elf sorcerers or high priests would work 10:15:16 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:19:19 scorchers are significant more dangerous than zealots fwiw 10:19:31 because they hellfire more and summon/animate weak stuff less 10:20:34 I'm not committed to it; as a retired dev, all my branches are purely hypothetical 10:21:00 PleasingFungus: you have retired now? 10:21:24 that's not necessarily a reason to prefer them over zealots as a monster, but personally I would rather see zealots removed (mainly because their summons/animates are so weak for Zot) 10:22:02 dpeg: I "retired" weeks ago 10:22:52 it's very relaxing 10:23:24 yes, I know -- I do it all the time! 10:23:34 :) 10:23:42 elliptic: could give them knights' simulacrum 10:24:07 @??draconian knight simulacrum 10:24:07 draconian simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 14-44 | AC/EV: 8/6 | Dam: 1212(cold:8-23) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(10), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 47 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 10:24:08 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:24:28 I'm like 90% sure that in-game simulacs will have higher stats than that 10:24:54 I don't particularly like monster simulacrum (probably for similar reasons to MarvinPA) but it is certainly more dangerous than animate dead or lesser demons 10:25:17 what reasons are those? 10:25:18 @??red draconian simulacrum 10:25:19 red draconian simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 14 | HP: 28-55 | AC/EV: 7/5 | Dam: 1612(cold:14-41) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(18), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 179 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 10:25:20 I don't think I've heard them 10:25:26 probably more like that 10:25:35 gimme a sec 10:25:40 I'm compiling to test 10:25:55 (or even higher HD if the simulacrum came from a classed drac) 10:26:01 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:27:10 yeah 10:27:19 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:28 higher HD and defenses. not sure if it does more damage or not 10:27:52 one reason to dislike simulacra is that they're mostly slow 10:28:04 another is their spiky damage 10:28:10 but the former reason applies to all raised dead 10:28:24 so I believe that the way monster simulacrum currently works (it has been changed a few times) is that it requires there to be a corpse in sight, and then the corpse is replaced by several simulacra? 10:28:29 I think so, yes 10:28:41 yes, half as many simulacra as a player would get from the same corpse, IIRC 10:28:46 Lasty_: yes, but it doesn't have to be like this. I will bring this up (slow moving monster revision) early in 0.17 unless someone beats me to it. 10:28:50 well 10:28:53 so that means there is a large difference between having 1 corpse in sight and having 0 corpses 10:29:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:08 larger than for animate dead even 10:29:20 dpeg: yeah, I saw you mention that earlier, and I applaud it. 10:29:26 which gives more incentive for the player to carefully track whether there is a corpse and dispose of it if they can 10:29:28 the advantage of simulac (and other raised dead) is that they have a strong tendency to pop up surrounding you 10:29:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:29:53 which is p. annoying 10:30:00 elliptic: see, this is why we have to keep the stupid thing where items that aren't at the top of item stacks are hidden, to provide an element of surprise here! 10:30:24 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 10:30:49 PleasingFungus: right, but I mean that you also have to think about whether there is a corpse at your feet and whether to spend a turn chopping it 10:31:07 There are other solutions: a dead-animator or a simulacrating monster could do it's effect as soon as something dies... there might still be luring, but it could be better. 10:31:21 dpeg: I think it might be worth reviewing a lot of the monsters on minmay's list. Not with the intention of removing all of them, but with the intention of seeing how many are really adding value in our eyes. 10:31:51 dpeg: something like that could be better, yeah 10:31:53 why limit it to minmay's list 10:32:11 Lasty_: yes, monster revisions in general would be good. But since I believe that there's concensus about "slow for no reason == bad", I'd start with that. Starting small is more likely to achieve results, ime. 10:32:28 alternately, why start with minmay's list 10:32:40 PleasingFungus: purely for the convenience of someone having already put in the effort of compiling a subset. That said, sure, why not review all monsters? It's worth doing. 10:32:47 -!- stanzill has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:58 I think there's no particular value add from the minlist 10:33:18 another option would be to let simulacrum work whenever a monster died recently nearby, regardless of whether it actually left a corpse that is still around 10:33:33 Lasty_: but I am not sure it's feasible to modify/remove very many monsters at once... but these days I generally prefer a small steps policy. Anyway, I will send something around a week or two after tournament :) 10:33:33 elliptic: that sounds even more confusing/annoying to keep track of 10:33:36 "ui screw" or something 10:33:43 elliptic: yes, even better 10:33:47 unless we add floating 'there was a death here' indicators 10:33:49 PleasingFungus: huh? 10:33:54 PleasingFungus: for monster simulacrum 10:33:57 yes? 10:33:57 not for player simulacrum 10:34:01 yes, I know that 10:34:07 so you'd want to retreat from places where a monster died 10:34:10 the player knows whether they killed a monster in the last few turns 10:34:19 dpeg: Fair enough! :D 10:34:20 you already do if you are concerned about simulacra 10:34:21 sometimes allies, clouds, etc kill monsters 10:34:40 it just seems like a nightmare to keep track of 10:34:50 PleasingFungus: so the player wouldn't know about that, just like the player doesn't know whether the monster left a corpse 10:34:51 PleasingFungus: I don't think it'd be necessary. 10:34:54 I'm not sure how this is worse at all 10:35:00 elliptic: it's more complicated 10:35:03 how? 10:35:13 you're adding a new game mechanic. 10:35:18 it doesn't involve the physical corpse 10:35:20 I don't understand how this would not be considered more complicated. 10:35:51 instead of keying off a game mechanic that first shows up on d:1 and continues from there, you're adding an entirely new, secret, invisible mechanic. "has a monster died near here recently". 10:35:55 I'm replacing the "use this weird physical corpse object that the player can interact with in various strange ways" with something simpler 10:36:12 it's not simpler if you are adding a new mechanic. 10:36:14 it is more complicated. 10:36:19 one of the advantages of being retired is that charming nurses help me out of this discussion's misery, and from the rocking chair into the wheelchair, to do the groceries 10:36:22 this must be how minmay feels all the time. 10:36:23 Just replace it with monster death channel :p 10:36:43 Lasty_: yes, that did seem to be the obvious suggestion when you were talking earlier. 10:36:43 PleasingFungus: monsters being able to animate corpses into several simulacra at once from a distance isn't a mechanic introduced earlier 10:36:47 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:37:29 elliptic: it keys off an existing mechanic ('corpses'), and ofc it's very far from the first thing to do so (where does the first animator show up - orc?) 10:37:58 you could just as easily say that what I am suggesting "keys off an existing mechanic" 10:38:07 the existing mechanic is 'death' 10:38:26 are you going to have to add a new data structure to track your "recent deaths nearby". 10:38:27 and animate dead is so terrible that I'd like to remove it regardless 10:38:33 are you going to expose that information to the player in any way. 10:38:44 why does it need to be exposed to the player? 10:38:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:49 elliptic: I think it'd be useful to think about how/when monster creation is useful. For example, do we want to punish the player for killing early in a battle? Should the new monster be harder than the old one? I think most (all?) of our monster creation gimmicks were inspired by flavour... they're not bad, but could use some fundamental think. But I need bread. 10:39:07 because it's something that the player could track if they wanted, but it would be a pain to track. 10:39:12 PleasingFungus: I will agree that from the code implementation point of view this might be annoying 10:39:17 not having the game track it, then, is "ui screw". 10:39:24 it's just an awful idea, elliptic. there's nothing that this buys us. 10:39:38 it has no advantages over the current situation. 10:39:41 ty for your opinion 10:39:42 I disagree 10:39:45 np. 10:39:48 think about death channel a little. 10:39:57 I think it's a much more fruitful avenue for improvement. 10:39:58 and much simpler. 10:40:03 Lasty_: now you know why I wanna address monsters in small doses :) 10:40:35 I've explained that this suggestion has the advantage of not letting the player interact with it by butchering/praying/casting animation spells themselves 10:40:46 I agree that this might not be the best idea 10:41:26 there's a difference between "this is a bad idea" and this has no advantages why are you so stupid to suggest this???? 10:41:38 I explained over and over again why it was a bad idea. 10:41:41 ... 10:41:47 later. 10:41:48 gotta go to work. 10:41:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 10:42:12 !tell there's nothing that this buys us. it has no advantages over the current situation. 10:42:13 elliptic: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:42:16 !tell oops 10:42:16 I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE. 10:42:18 oops 10:42:28 !tell PleasingFungus there's nothing that this buys us. it has no advantages over the current situation. 10:42:29 elliptic: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:43:26 !tell PleasingFungus this sort of attitude/dismissal is why people don't like discussing things with you, there's a large difference between "I don't like your idea" and "your idea is totally pointless" 10:43:26 elliptic: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:47:10 wow that was deeply confusing 10:47:49 -!- olourkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:03 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:25 also what does death channel have to do with anything there 10:51:40 MarvinPA: so why do you dislike monster simulacra? you said you do earlier but I don't know how similar your reasons are to mine 10:51:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:16 or to Lasty's (simulacra are slow and have spiky damage) 10:52:20 MarvinPA: i think he was suggesting it as a similar thing to "animate recently died monsters" 10:52:21 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:52:24 !messages 10:52:24 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (37m 8s ago): yeah, deep elf sorcerers or high priests would work 10:52:38 i think similar to what you were say, the way it turns monster corpses into a billion things all of a sudden 10:52:42 what you were saying* 10:53:10 wheals: right, dpeg suggested the dchannel version of this earlier in the discussion already (animate or simulacra monsters as soon as they are killed) 10:53:10 when you normally don't need to care about monster corpses 10:53:51 and I said it might be a good idea, and suggested my thing as another possible option (I think I probably still prefer dpeg's suggestion) 10:54:02 also, i think i kind of liked some of the dynamics of pale dracs 10:54:13 LOS blocking does mess up summons/blinking, for one 10:54:41 yeah... it would be nice if the steam was capable of doing damage though 10:55:07 does pale drac breath do much impact damage? 10:55:08 there was that MIASMA good near-death we were watching the other day! although that was caused by ?fog i guess 10:55:23 oh 10:55:26 pale dracs: could have done it in theory ??? 10:55:40 solution: just give pale drac monsters miasma 10:55:46 (MIASMA is a playername here) 10:55:54 (but yes excellent idea) 10:55:59 and summon TRAPS 10:56:39 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:43 angband-style trap creation I hope 10:58:05 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58:08 scum it for shafts to shaft into zot:5 10:58:59 "The Killer Klown casts a spell and cackles evilly." 10:59:02 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:11 SPELL_EVIL_CACKLE 10:59:17 mm 10:59:45 !source dat/database/monspeak.txt 10:59:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt;hb=HEAD 11:01:29 .learn add murray the only monster that can cackle 11:02:23 @The_monster@ shouts @at_foe@, "Let the forces of evil and voodoo overcome you!" 11:02:28 surely should be botono 11:02:43 returning to dpeg's "passive animation" suggestion, it does seem to me like the following would work pretty well: 11:03:41 whenever a monster dies in sight of another monster with animate/simulacra, have some % chance (could depend on HD if we wanted) that it is immediately animated/simulacraed 11:04:00 I guess might as well only do this if a corpse is left 11:04:45 and don't have monsters ever cast animate dead/simulacra aside from this 11:06:03 that sounds decent yeah, although then there's still the question of how often the resulting zombie/simulacrum would actually be relevant i guess 11:06:38 but definitely seems like a better way for it to work 11:06:40 right... simulacra are usually pretty relevant IME, but zombies are sort of lame 11:06:52 yeah 11:06:58 making zombies speed 10 would help 11:07:59 haha wow boris has animate dead 11:08:37 mmmm 11:09:06 yes it's pretty hard to tell that monsters have animate dead or simulacra if they aren't placed in packs 11:10:12 necromancers have hell knight bands, orcs/elves/dracs have other orcs/elves/dracs 11:10:19 but poor boris doesn't get a band :( 11:10:36 Boris and the Ancient Liches 11:10:41 maybe place him in that heavy metal concert vault 11:11:09 i don't think any elves have animate though? 11:11:22 they have the twisted rest thing 11:11:25 *res 11:11:34 oh yeah 11:12:40 oh right, they got that in place of animate because elf zombies are really lame 11:13:23 (not that twisted res is that much more threatening usually, since it is rare to actually get large aboms from it) 11:13:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:51 and it would help if there were some way to let the player know that one large abom was stronger than another 11:15:14 Here: A titanic abomination 11:17:19 elliptic: the rhetorical flourish was a mistake, yeah; sorry about that. 11:17:38 I got kind of frustrated after going around in circles repeatedly. 11:18:40 *obvius joke about ellipses* 11:18:42 PleasingFungus: apology accepted, sorry I got angry about it too 11:18:46 *obvious 11:18:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:55 I need to be better about being retired 11:19:34 What would harold have done in that situation? 11:19:42 Throw a friggin net, probably, that jerk 11:19:43 ...died? 11:19:48 or that 11:20:19 those are two of harold's three notable skills 11:20:29 netthrowing, bolt of fire, and dying 11:20:35 dying is a critical skill. 11:20:46 if you don't master it, you end up like boris. or, worse, natasha! 11:22:18 hm, I don't see any bug reports "Boris showed up twice in my game" 11:22:52 I'm sort of surprised 11:22:53 he basically doesn't these days :( 11:22:57 game too short... 11:23:08 basically a coffee-break roguelike, now 11:23:12 !lm * recent uniq=boris s=gid 11:23:19 7393 milestones for * (recent uniq=boris): 5x Avigdore:cao:20140615203457S, 5x IjonTichy1:cszo:20140317035251S, 5x chloroauric:cszo:20150002023538S, 4x Tossi:cao:20140504073626S, 4x Yermak:clan:20140807142424S, 4x rchandra:cbro:20140830185912S, 4x Hurricos:cszo:20150103223811S, 4x jimeh:cpo:20141111134722S, 4x Tolias:clan:20140330043203S, 4x perunasaurus:cdo:20140713164648S, 4x cumulogeretes:ckr:2... 11:23:28 iirc boris was the last unique i found during the last tourney 11:23:34 ! 11:23:37 excluding that damn stupid executioner who refused to spawn at all 11:23:43 qunituple borisses...? 11:23:58 !lm * !recent uniq=boris s=gid 11:24:10 33772 milestones for * (!recent uniq=boris): 7x N78291:cdo:20091013013152S, 7x hypermikee:cao:20120411041021S, 6x xyblor:cdo:20101013204958S, 6x buffalo66:cszo:20130010195715S, 6x snoopy:cao:20120322032949S, 6x zkyp:clan:20131129211553S, 6x Surr:cdo:20110827113113S, 6x Sky2:cszo:20130113002955S, 6x runewalsh:clan:20130623123610S, 6x mikee:cdo:20101131022731S, 6x Arrhythmia:cdo:20120402225026S, 6x ... 11:24:13 !send kvaak Ignacio 11:24:13 Sending Ignacio to kvaak. 11:24:29 %git borisscaling~~2 11:24:29 Could not find commit borisscaling~~2 (git returned 128) 11:24:29 another random thought: mennas spawns in pan but he seems kind of too trivial by then 11:24:32 hm 11:24:44 give him a pack of daevas 11:24:53 gammafunk: in general I think the top-end of a lot of uniques' ranges could be adjusted down 11:25:01 sigmund can spawn on d:7 11:25:11 oh sure 11:25:46 kirke still feels like she can spawn outside of when she's dangerous, but maybe that's just me 11:26:01 guess it depends on whether you have any mr 11:26:25 shoals + kirke + formicid = fun 11:26:36 stuck on an island and can't evoke flight? TOO AD 11:26:41 ad is fine too 11:27:07 !vault uniq_kirke 11:27:07 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des;hb=HEAD#l170 11:27:21 kvaak: you can't be stuck on an island anymore......... probably 11:27:36 guess she can't place much shallower 11:28:01 PleasingFungus: I've seen levels with two connected components but it seems rare 11:28:09 disconnected components? 11:28:19 in any case, both of them should have stairs/trapdoors somewhere 11:28:24 as in, needing flight to get from one to another 11:28:25 probably yes 11:28:42 ya. 11:28:54 gammafunk: nessos in lair branches or elf seems very sad 11:30:01 def. agree about elf. He is fairly dangerous as uniques go because of his speed and ranged 11:30:06 !killratio sigmund * recent D:7 11:30:21 sigmund wins 0.698% of battles against * (recent D:7). 11:30:23 !killratio sigmund * recent D:6 11:30:27 sigmund wins 1.569% of battles against * (recent D:6). 11:30:31 !killratio sigmund * recent D:5 11:30:31 !killratio nessos * recent br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider 11:30:35 sigmund wins 3.421% of battles against * (recent D:5). 11:30:40 nessos wins 0.326% of battles against * (recent br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider). 11:30:49 IMO D:6 sigmund is reasonable but not D:7 11:30:50 gammafunk: keep in mind that he is a centaur warrior 11:31:05 yeah you can just wand him for the most part 11:31:08 except I think I might have missed him when I was buffing centaur warriors 11:31:10 hm 11:31:12 oops 11:31:15 !killratio nessos * recent orc 11:31:16 @??centaur warrior 11:31:16 centaur warrior (08c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 10 | HP: 44-68 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 921 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:31:17 @??nessos 11:31:17 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 956 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:31:19 nessos wins 2.664% of battles against * (recent orc). 11:31:25 no, he has archer 11:31:29 !killratio nessos * recent D:13 11:31:32 nessos wins 1.792% of battles against * (recent D:13). 11:31:33 not fighter 11:31:49 PleasingFungus: centaur warriors have fighter as well 11:31:53 I don't think I poked at fighter 11:32:02 also I honestly forget what that does 11:32:07 He's a lover not a fighter 11:32:20 he also has haste 11:32:28 fighter is basically extra accuracy I think (to both melee and ranged) 11:32:57 haste and top-end hp, so it's not quite the same 11:32:57 not quite 11:33:23 nessos is certainly more dangerous than a centaur warrior, quite a bit dangerous aside from the lower MR 11:33:47 it is true that he doesn't seem to be doing much in lair branches in terms of killing players 11:34:12 oh, fighter also gives more ranged damage I guess? 11:34:18 !lm * recent uniq=nessos / br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider 11:34:20 3361/17255 milestones for * (recent uniq=nessos): N=3361/17255 (19.48%) 11:34:26 and he shows up there fairly often 11:34:33 diluting the nessos experience 11:34:45 yeah he could be removed from there 11:34:52 do we have a kw for br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider 11:34:54 seems we should 11:34:59 possibly I'll work on unique ranges in the uniquereform branch 11:35:03 !kw lairbranch 11:35:04 No keyword 'lairbranch' 11:35:04 or w/e I called it 11:35:10 !kw lairbranch br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider 11:35:11 Defined keyword: lairbranch => br=shoals|swamp|snake|spider 11:35:13 there's already some stuff there about removing melee uniques from shoals/swamp 11:35:27 unique_xp, that was the name 11:36:12 figure out where the giaggostuano should go 11:36:14 hell : hells :: lair : lairs???? 11:36:23 !kw lairs 11:36:23 Keyword: lairs => place=slime|swamp|shoals|spider|snake 11:36:28 haha 11:36:28 ! 11:36:36 preempted 11:36:37 good instincts 11:36:37 that seems less useful 11:36:41 <|amethyst> !kw vaultss 11:36:42 No keyword 'vaultss' 11:36:45 ah, true 11:36:45 <|amethyst> !kw vaultses 11:36:47 No keyword 'vaultses' 11:36:47 slime is pretty distinct 11:37:08 !lg * place~~^S s=br 11:37:12 58674 games for * (place~~^S): 11803x Snake, 11185x Sewer, 9261x Swamp, 7976x Shoals, 7850x D, 6133x Spider, 3565x Slime, 901x Lair 11:37:15 lairnotslime? 11:37:22 ack, sewer 11:37:35 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:35 gammafunk: I think lairbranch is fine 11:37:37 gammafunk: also, not lair 11:37:48 yeah 11:37:49 people usually don't mean slime when they talk about that 11:38:06 our sequell abbrevs are very important business 11:38:12 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39:22 !abbreviate wheals 11:39:36 wls 11:41:28 -!- ebering_ is now known as ebering 11:41:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45:58 -!- wheals is now known as wls 11:46:08 -!- |amethyst is now known as \a 11:46:12 -!- \a is now known as |amethyst 11:46:17 <|amethyst> man, all the good ones are registered 11:46:27 -!- wls is now known as wl 11:46:30 -!- wl is now known as wls 11:46:40 i guess this is as short as i can go 11:47:09 -!- |amethyst is now known as [ 11:47:14 -!- [ is now known as |amethyst 11:47:15 ! 11:48:00 <|amethyst> | is already in use 11:48:10 <|amethyst> not just registered, but logged in :) 11:48:32 uhh, is there a 0.16 branch out yet? 11:48:38 <|amethyst> yes 11:48:44 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.16 11:48:45 07gammafunk02 * 0.16.0: Final changelog for 0.16 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82265720bc8b 11:48:52 Already on 'stone_soup-0.16' 11:48:54 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 11:49:08 <|amethyst> need to change git:// to https:// 11:49:13 oh. 11:49:23 <|amethyst> gitorious dropped git:// support already it seems 11:49:41 shit, when was the last time my server built then.. 11:49:58 <|amethyst> &version clan 11:50:04 clan: 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939 11:50:17 <|amethyst> %git c25b939 11:50:18 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939: Show sinv more correctly in xv. 10(8 days ago, 4 files, 15+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c25b939f36bf 11:50:19 'pf' is likewise in use, but that's a little less surprising 11:52:28 -!- |amethyst is now known as nei| 11:52:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:36 -!- nei| is now known as |||||||||||| 11:52:43 <||||||||||||> this one's registered too 11:52:43 * PleasingFungus sprints away! 11:52:45 -!- |||||||||||| is now known as |amethyst 11:52:47 huh 11:52:59 -!- elliptic is now known as ell 11:52:59 don't ever pipe to the amethyst command if you value your data! 11:53:03 I wonder which permutations of | are and & aren't registered 11:53:07 -!- ell is now known as ellip 11:53:13 |amethyst: what's the current status on config-updates? 11:53:18 I've been sort of out of the loop due to real-life stuff 11:53:24 -!- ellip is now known as elliptic 11:53:50 <|amethyst> TZer0: I haven't been following that too closely either, perhaps gammafunk can answer 11:54:10 <|amethyst> I know there are a few pull requests for the webtiles-changes branch of dgamelaunch-config 11:54:17 <|amethyst> but I haven't had the chance to look over them 11:55:52 okay, rebuilding on clan should be fixed now. 11:56:03 building 0.16 now. 11:56:12 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:56:36 time to find all the folders that need to be made 11:57:51 <|amethyst> inprogress and crawl-settings I think 11:58:09 <|amethyst> and linking milestones/logfiles into the web directory 11:58:31 there's a reason I want my crawl-docker thing to fly. 11:59:23 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:59:37 -!- Scytalen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:59:41 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:16 did I need to make save-dirs as well? 12:00:27 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:35 <|amethyst> those should be made automatically by update-crawl-stable 12:01:05 mhm 12:01:18 <|amethyst> also remember to restart the inotify watcher 12:01:23 Yeah 12:02:02 Have I mentioned that I think that this process isn't that great? :P 12:02:24 <|amethyst> yeah, a lot more of that could and should be scripted 12:02:41 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16.0-0-g8226572 12:05:39 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-72-gd614ac0 (34) 12:08:04 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:10 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:06 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:47 |amethyst: hey, this is a bit petty, but would you mind moving my currently active character from cszo 0.16 beta to cszo 0.17? I started it in 0.16 by accident and I'm not going to have time to finish it before the tourney, probably. 12:14:56 |amethyst: if that's a hassle, don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. 12:17:09 abuse of power 12:17:13 wls: lol. 12:17:19 it should be like one move-command. 12:17:40 and it should work provided there are no changes that break save-compatibility 12:18:06 save compat should be fine 12:19:22 if we broke save compat, that's a bigger issue :p 12:22:21 apparently if you have a beak, you're more likely to get the message "your brain hurts!" from random uselessness??? 12:22:37 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.0-0-g8226572 12:23:06 oh i see, it's because your nose can't twitch suddenly which is the final option for messages there (but with a beak your ears can never itch!) 12:23:07 MarvinPA: um what 12:23:09 <|amethyst> hm... moving it isn't a problem for me... will that confuse sequell 12:23:11 oh 12:23:34 |amethyst: I think it will be okay but I could be wrong 12:23:39 <|amethyst> let's see :) 12:24:10 !lm lasty x=gid 12:24:11 7795. [2015-03-12 01:28:00] [game_key=Lasty:cszo:20150212012759S] Lasty the Firebug (L1 DsFE) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:24:23 the gid doesn't include version info 12:25:05 <|amethyst> Lasty_: you're not playing at this moment, right? 12:25:10 iirc this is sort of bad because it means that simultaneously starting two games on the same server in different versions would be bad 12:25:11 Doesn't the version info get updated when you load the game and say [T]ransfer? 12:25:13 |amethyst: 12:25:17 |amethyst: no, I'm not 12:25:31 <|amethyst> okay, moved 12:25:33 <|amethyst> see if it works 12:25:35 Thanks! 12:25:45 elliptic: is the gamekey a timestamp? 12:25:59 Lasty_: I mean, sequell will have different v/cv for milestones before/after the transfer, but that is already the case for trunk games 12:26:17 game_key is name+server+starttime, yes 12:27:12 <|amethyst> yeah, we have games changing from 0.16-a to 0.17-a etc in trunk every time prerelease is branched 12:27:33 |amethyst: confirmed: it's working 12:28:00 this is changing from 0.16.0-b1 to 0.17-a, but should still be fine -- the only worry would be if sequell gets confused because the milestones are appearing in a different file now, but I think that's probably okay 12:28:21 <|amethyst> yeah 12:28:42 elliptic: I suppose we could add microtime to make it less likely that you'd get the exact same signature. :-\ 12:28:44 Lasty_: IMO die or win now so we can test out sequell's milestone/game matching :P 12:28:47 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:48 <|amethyst> save compat would be an issue when automating it 12:28:53 elliptic: haha 12:29:16 <|amethyst> it's fine for 0.16 to 0.17-a, but wouldn't work for 0.10 to trunk 12:29:21 elliptic: I'd go make a milestone, but I can't play now 12:29:22 <|amethyst> or for downgrades 12:29:24 Lasty_: yeah, the snark was talking about increasing time precision like that, but it doesn't seem like a major issue in practice 12:29:40 elliptic: I can't imagine it'd happen now unless someone was trying to make it happen 12:30:05 it has happened with local qw a few times, which is the only way I know about it :P 12:30:10 lol 12:30:10 oh 12:30:22 (dying in less than a second and restarting) 12:30:47 We'll need to make a steam achievement for that 12:31:02 <|amethyst> hm 12:31:17 <|amethyst> what is the timestamp determined? 12:31:19 <|amethyst> err 12:31:20 <|amethyst> whent 12:31:22 <|amethyst> when 12:31:48 <|amethyst> I guess when starting crawl? or after selecting a char? 12:32:05 <|amethyst> I guess the former because you can see the char selection in ttyrecs 12:32:25 <|amethyst> !lm . 12:32:26 17151. [2015-03-12 17:32:18] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:32:27 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid 12:32:28 17151. [2015-03-12 17:32:18] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173218S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:32:30 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid -2 12:32:31 17151/17152. [2015-03-12 17:32:16] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173216S] neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:32:34 <|amethyst> dammit 12:32:52 2 seconds apart? What is this, amateur hour? 12:33:05 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid 12:33:06 17153. [2015-03-12 17:32:54] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173254S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:33:06 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid -2 12:33:07 17152/17153. [2015-03-12 17:32:18] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173218S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:33:19 <|amethyst> maybe ithmm 12:33:21 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid 12:33:22 17154. [2015-03-12 17:32:58] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173258S] neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:33:24 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid -1 12:33:24 17154. [2015-03-12 17:32:58] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173258S] neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:33:26 <|amethyst> !lm . x=gid -2 12:33:27 17153/17154. [2015-03-12 17:32:54] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173254S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:33:37 -!- wls has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:47 <|amethyst> Guess I need to script it 12:33:50 <|amethyst> hm 12:34:00 <|amethyst> actually, looks like it is after char selection? 12:35:07 <|amethyst> !lm . x=cv,gid 12:35:08 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] [cv=0.16;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:35:11 <|amethyst> !lm . -2 x=cv,gid 12:35:12 17155/17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] [cv=0.16;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:35:22 <|amethyst> !lm . -1 x=cv,gid 12:35:25 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] [cv=0.16;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:35:38 <|amethyst> hm 12:35:42 <|amethyst> yeah, that's wrong :) 12:36:03 <|amethyst> one of those should be a hewn in trunk 12:36:09 <|amethyst> !lm . -1 x=cv,gid 12:36:09 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] [cv=0.16;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:36:10 <|amethyst> !lm . -2 x=cv,gid 12:36:11 17155/17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] [cv=0.16;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:36:14 <|amethyst> !lm . -3 x=cv,gid 12:36:15 17154/17156. [2015-03-12 17:32:58] [cv=0.17-a;game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173258S] neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:36:41 |amethyst: sequell gets confused, yeah 12:37:45 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:37:46 10450. neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi), quit the game on D:1 (minmay_arrival_stone_box) on 2015-03-12 17:34:03, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:01:02. 12:37:49 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:37:50 10450. neil the Skirmisher (L1 HEFi), quit the game on D:1 (minmay_arrival_stone_box) on 2015-03-12 17:34:03, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:01:02. 12:37:54 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:37:55 10451. neil the Sneak (L2 HEWn), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:2 on 2015-03-12 17:37:36, with 10 points after 248 turns and 0:01:38. 12:38:10 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:38:11 10451. neil the Sneak (L2 HEWn), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:2 on 2015-03-12 17:37:36, with 10 points after 248 turns and 0:01:38. 12:38:18 <|amethyst> !lg . 12:38:19 10452. neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_a) on 2015-03-12 17:38:02, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:01:02. 12:38:26 <|amethyst> !lg . x=gid 12:38:27 10452. [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173430S] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_simpleton_a) on 2015-03-12 17:38:02, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:01:02. 12:38:28 <|amethyst> !lg . -2 x=gid 12:38:29 10451/10452. [game_key=neil:cszo:20150212173429S] neil the Sneak (L2 HEWn), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:2 on 2015-03-12 17:37:36, with 10 points after 248 turns and 0:01:38. 12:38:37 <|amethyst> wha 12:38:42 <|amethyst> !lm . 12:38:43 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:38:45 <|amethyst> !lm . -2 12:38:47 17155/17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:38:53 <|amethyst> that's just weird 12:39:53 <|amethyst> !lm . -1 12:39:54 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:39:55 <|amethyst> !lm . -2 12:39:56 17155/17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:39:59 <|amethyst> !lm . -3 12:40:00 17154/17156. [2015-03-12 17:32:58] neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:40:32 <|amethyst> wonder why the start milestones collided but the start timestamps are actually different 12:41:02 <|amethyst> !lm . gid=neil:cszo:20150212173429S 12:41:02 1. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Sneak (L1 HEWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:41:07 <|amethyst> !lm . gid=neil:cszo:20150212173430S 12:41:08 1. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:41:13 <|amethyst> oh 12:41:23 <|amethyst> !lm . -1 12:41:24 17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:41:26 <|amethyst> !lm . -2 12:41:27 17155/17156. [2015-03-12 17:34:30] neil the Skirmisher (L1 HuWn) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:41:29 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:32 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:42:38 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:57 Webtiles server restarted. 12:43:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:44:43 okay, 0.16 seems to be working on CLAN now. 12:44:55 v=0.16.0:vlong=0.16.0:lv=0.1:name=TZer0:race=Gargoyle:cls=Conjurer:char=GrCj:xl=1:sk=Conjurations:sklev=4:title=Conjurer:place=D::1:br=D:lvl=1:absdepth=1:hp=10:mhp=10:mmhp=10:mp=3:mmp=3:bmmp=3:str=11:int=15:dex=10:ac=4:ev=12:sh=0:start=20150212174417S:dur=2:turn=1:aut=10:kills=0:gold=0:goldfound=0:goldspent=0:scrollsused=0:potionsused=0:sc=0:ktyp=quitting:dam=-9999:sdam=0:tdam=0:end=20150212174421S:map=sh 12:44:58 iori_shiawase:tmsg=quit the game 12:45:00 yay. 12:45:02 :D 12:45:44 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:46:08 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:12 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:26 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:56:18 TZer0: looks good :) 12:56:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:41 uhm 12:59:46 I think there's something wrong with my rc 12:59:48 or something 12:59:56 I am autoexcluding potions from pickup D: 13:00:03 and whenever I ID a scroll 13:00:06 the same happens with that 13:02:00 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:53 &rc TZer0 13:04:55 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/TZer0.rc 13:05:32 TZer0: remove the "return false" frome the end of your add_autopickup_func function 13:06:51 (return false there now means "don't pick up this item" rather than "defer to other autopickup logic") 13:07:26 elliptic: thanks! 13:07:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:10:03 !lm . 13:10:04 13228. [2015-03-12 18:08:29] gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Swamp on turn 7002. (Lair:5) 13:10:16 I guess 0.16 is at least *somewhat* acceptable for me to play 13:10:47 nah. you'll never get a win in 0.16. 13:10:51 then again, same's true of 0.15 13:10:55 .....;_; 13:10:59 : ) 13:11:03 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: PleasingFungus is so mean] 13:11:14 Look what you did! 13:11:55 ruined...... 13:12:12 idk why he cares. not even like a real dev is talking to him 13:12:14 HESu hasn't been playable in stable versions since 0.13 apparently 13:12:16 just some spooky retired ghost 13:13:18 oh I guess gammafunk^HESu wasn't a thing back then 13:13:37 didn't realize it was such a recent phenomenon 13:13:40 !hs HESu 13:13:41 No games for HESu. 13:13:49 !hs * HESu 13:13:50 1736. ldf the Meteorologist (L27 HESu of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-18 01:14:38, with 9990668 points after 169311 turns and 1d+0:01:12. 13:14:22 That can't possibly be the score gammafunk is trying to beat. 13:14:49 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:15:01 !hs * he-- 13:15:02 198492. PurpleRed the Elven Blade (L27 HESk of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-23 09:48:31, with 37104810 points after 39325 turns and 15:43:48. 13:15:04 ^ 13:15:21 that seems more plausible 13:15:29 !hs * vs-- 13:15:30 59853. PurpleRed the Imperceptible (L26 VSBe of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-07-21 09:27:21, with 65223715 points after 21968 turns and 11:07:28. 13:15:34 -!- tw12we has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:15:37 I was going to snipe the hesu score out from under the 'funk, mainly because it seemed funny 13:15:51 but then doy's stupid OP SoH killed me 13:15:55 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:15 I haven't even tried to fight new SoH. I just escape when I see it coming. 13:16:36 which means it's the only unique I haven't killed, I suppose. 13:17:50 (sounds pretty successful to me!) 13:18:23 mm 13:18:48 it did kill a promising dieselrobin character I was on indirectly. WalkerBoh was fighting it and a bunch of hellions were swarming around behind it, so he just assumed that they were summoned and killing the serpent would dispel them. :p 13:19:03 Instead, he killed it and then the hellions ripped him to bits. 13:20:40 oop 13:20:45 you know what they say about assumptions 13:20:48 and also, console 13:20:53 i have noticed that a lot of its kills are from people that leave a bunch of tormenting/hellfiring demons alive in los while they try to kill it 13:20:55 since it would have been very obvious that they were not summoned if he was in tiles 13:24:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:25:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:32 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:51 !lg walkerboh console / tiles 13:25:52 0/1965 games for walkerboh (console): N=0/1965 (0.00%) 13:26:34 yup 13:27:57 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:15 hm 13:28:18 !gamesby Lasty 13:28:20 Lasty has played 286 games, between 2014-02-18 23:08:35 and 2015-03-12 01:27:25, won 71 (24.8%), high score 15388117, total score 165691633, total turns 10548283, play-time/day 1:59:30, total time 32d+4:50:21. 13:28:28 dang, that winrate 13:28:55 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:00 I should probably ctrlqyes a few thousand times to get into the acceptable dev winrate spectrum 13:29:23 don't be mean. 13:29:26 hi wormcan! 13:29:27 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:29:29 I just want to belong! 13:29:38 this is mean-ness, and I will not accept it. 13:29:48 we must both strive to be better, kinder, gentler devs. 13:30:02 but then who will give the players the pain they need? 13:30:06 we cannot dissipate our energies on each-other! all our focus must be on maximizing player death. 13:30:09 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:31 Lasty_: "console / tiles" does not do what you want :P 13:32:45 since it tells you the proportion of console games that were tiles 13:32:53 hello PF :o 13:33:12 elliptic: heh, fair enough. 13:33:51 apparently he only has 1 tiles game tho 13:34:22 !lg . / console 13:34:23 0/375 games for PleasingFungus: N=0/375 (0.00%) 13:34:31 as god intended. 13:34:35 !lg . / console 13:34:36 1899/1899 games for elliptic: N=1899/1899 (100.00%) 13:34:40 as I intended. 13:35:02 let's see if I remember how to grab the source code off git 13:35:29 If only I could pull up an lg with a perfect 50/50 console/tiles split and say, "as Xom intended". 13:36:13 !rng console tiles xom 13:36:14 The RNG chooses: xom. 13:36:24 what are the odds... 13:36:31 one in xom 13:37:00 . . . if someone hasn't already made !rng always pick xom, we should 13:37:12 so for release/tourney, I guess the things to go are (1) get the remaining binaries/builds we can (2) announcement (3) CDO still needs 0.16 (4) ideally CWZ would have 0.16 (and accessible rcfiles, since afaict it doesn't have that, though that is less important) 13:37:30 Lasty_: !rng has literally always always picked xom 13:37:39 !rng 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 xom 13:37:39 The RNG chooses: xom. 13:37:43 etc 13:37:52 elliptic: good. 13:37:57 it's a good trick if someone else doesn't know about it 13:38:07 I've been assuming that rng always did, but I wasn't certain 13:38:22 tbf, it's literally impossible to say for sure 13:38:35 unless you look at the source 13:38:37 which is cheating 13:38:45 elliptic: are we still aiming at Friday? 13:39:04 !time 13:39:04 Time: Mar 12, 2015, 06:39:04 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament starts in 1 day, 1 hour, 20 minutes and 55 seconds. 13:39:10 oh, heh 13:39:17 my impression is that the plan is to announce release today though 13:39:27 since we already tagged 13:39:35 great 13:39:40 my plan was to announce as soon as binaries appeared 13:39:43 which rumor said would be today 13:39:44 right 13:40:04 though now that you drove gammafunk out of here... :P 13:42:14 he will be missed by someone, probably. 13:42:19 eventually. 13:42:21 !lg pleasingfungus recent !boring / won 13:42:22 someday. 13:42:22 24/169 games for pleasingfungus (recent !boring): N=24/169 (14.20%) 13:42:23 ^ hey, your winrate is quite good. 13:42:36 !lg pleasingfungus recent !boring !gh / won 13:42:37 23/136 games for pleasingfungus (recent !boring !gh): N=23/136 (16.91%) 13:42:44 gh RUINED my winrate. 13:42:56 I blame basil 13:43:12 !chars pleasingfungus gh 13:43:13 38 games for pleasingfungus (gh): 12x GhAM, 10x GhAs, 6x GhWr, 3x GhWz, 3x GhWn, 2x GhNe, 2x GhIE 13:43:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:43:24 really picked the easy ghouls I see 13:43:41 GhWr and GhWz are pretty good ghouls 13:43:49 except GhAM isn't easy now with no splint mail I guess 13:44:05 !lg PleasingFungus gh won s=char 13:44:06 One game for PleasingFungus (gh won): GhWz 13:44:19 it's gonna be the power combo of 0.16, 0.17, and 0.19 13:44:22 just you wait and see... 13:44:33 Lasty_: that one was Grunt's suggestion, iirc 13:44:42 does that mean that Wz is being removed/renamed in 0.18 and then is coming back in 0.19 13:44:58 I'm leaving it open to interpretation. 13:45:18 god, can't believe wheals RUINED my wz->re branch 13:45:25 refactoring... 13:46:48 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:00 PF is a ghoulscummer 13:48:18 I can't remember if I buffed ghouls before or after playing them 13:48:43 how did you buff ghouls? 13:49:00 oh, the chunk thing? 13:49:07 how much +MP can I stack? 13:49:15 I have gloves that give +9 + the normal magic ring 13:49:28 TZer0: all of it, but bonuses above 50 MP are halved 13:49:46 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:11 As in: when I reach +50 in bonuses or 50 in max MP? 13:50:17 the latter 13:50:37 if you are at 45 MP and put on a +9 ring, you'll be at 52 MP instead of 54 MP 13:50:47 Okay :) 13:50:48 elliptic: a couple of chunk things 13:50:53 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:56 elliptic: weren't you talking about removing that cap recently? 13:52:11 Lasty_: I think removing it probably be good (because the cap is arbitrary and probably unnecessary), but it isn't something I care that much about one way or the other 13:52:20 s/probably/would probably/ 13:52:48 it would buff my current character, so I approve. 13:53:28 I'd suggest making the change early in 0.17 and then if something goes wrong (e.g. everyone decides that having 80 MP is a good thing) then it can be reconsidered 13:54:04 plausible 13:54:15 put it in the 0.17 plan :) 13:54:16 but MP items see so little use late game unless they are on already-good artifacts that I imagine it would be fine 13:54:20 ??0.17 13:54:21 I don't have a page labeled 0.17 in my learndb. 13:54:23 I wonder if we should make one of those (a plan) 13:54:42 IMO finish releasing 0.16 first 13:55:25 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:24 fine by me. 13:57:31 hmm 13:57:52 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:53 is the function that determines the tile to use for monsters in tilepick.cc? 13:58:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:03 !source tileidx_monster_base 13:59:04 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc;hb=HEAD#l1054 13:59:25 aha 13:59:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:28 -!- ParticlePhysics has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:59:34 note that the actual files are mapped into tile enums by rltiles/dc-mon.txt 13:59:51 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:08 ok, looks like what I want to do is define a function that takes the HP modifier and returns a tile based on it 14:03:20 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:29 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05:06 -!- neunon has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:05:38 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:00 -!- Nerem has quit [] 14:10:26 -!- kryft_ is now known as kryft 14:14:31 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:51 you probably want to add an offset 14:16:01 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:04 ??gammafunk 14:16:04 gammafunk[1/13]: TODO: minmay_smoke_and_mirrors rakshasas, rescue the loneliest frog, grand avatar movement bug, monster ranged always going through allies, adjust stairs in profane halls and elficide, hobby: destroy all instances of pizza tornado in every universe in the multiverse 14:16:10 !vault minmay_smoke_and_mirrors 14:16:11 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large_themed.des;hb=HEAD#l216 14:16:21 !source mon_dam_level_type 14:16:22 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.h;hb=HEAD#l495 14:16:23 PF: what do you mean? 14:16:48 http://puu.sh/gxtvx/2bc8d66b5d.png 14:16:53 I've got this so far 14:17:13 hm 14:17:26 are you planning to create one tile for each damage level, or just for chosen ones 14:17:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:42 the chosen ones 14:17:48 lightly damaged goes with full health 14:17:51 ok 14:18:02 so basically up to 5 tiles 14:18:59 return tile + min(tile_player_count(tile) - 1, max(0, mons_get_damage_level(mon) - 1)); 14:19:06 feel free to break this up onto multiple lines and comment for readability 14:19:13 also, hm 14:19:17 !source tile_player_count 14:19:18 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/tiledef-player.cc;hb=HEAD#l2741 14:19:25 wtf 14:19:43 did I mistype that 14:19:54 no I think sequell is being weird 14:20:32 probably sequell has an older version of the crawl source 14:20:42 or something 14:20:49 I wonder if it's a generated function 14:20:52 it seems like it might be 14:21:00 that would also explain it, yeah 14:22:11 CanOfWorms: the thing I said should work, but also you shouldn't use exactly that code because it's trying a little too hard to play code-golf (code-golf = writing everything in one line) 14:22:18 yeah 14:22:37 http://puu.sh/gxtVc/4abf201afd.png 14:22:39 CanOfWorms: please don't use a switch-case, though. if you have more irregularity to which damage levels you were using, I'd suggest using a map 14:22:56 ah 14:23:08 er 14:23:15 need to fix that max_threshold line 14:23:22 there we go 14:23:42 I would suggest turning those ints into const ints 14:24:08 also using "lowest" to describe the highest value is a little weird; maybe call it the "most damaged HP tier tile available"? 14:24:12 that's minor stuff tho 14:24:26 alright 14:25:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:40 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:09 missing dejavusans.ttf 14:26:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:49 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 14:27:19 oh, hmm 14:27:44 the game already has code to handle fixed tile picking 14:27:47 via hydras 14:27:53 should I just piggyback onto that? 14:28:07 ? 14:28:13 fixed tile picking? 14:28:18 hydras have their tile picked based on headcount 14:28:25 return tileidx_mon_clamp(TILEP_MONS_HYDRA, number - 1); 14:28:33 oh, yes, use that clamp function 14:28:51 code re-use is a sign of a morally clean & virtuous character. 14:30:23 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:13 did searching behaviour change intentionally? ctrl-f "necromancy" isn't finding the book of Ice (contains the Ice/Necr Simulacrum) 14:31:17 !lm . 14:31:18 13235. [2015-03-12 19:31:04] gammafunk the Convoker (L13 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Vaults on turn 11049. (D:14) 14:31:23 -!- olourkin1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:31:56 rchandra: that doesn't sound like an intentional change 14:32:08 PleasingFungus: never win?! that's literally my first 0.16 HESu and I've basically won the gaem! DCSS is easy when you roll a caster with the literal best god!!! 14:32:48 rchandra: I can repro. weird 14:32:52 probably my fault somehow 14:32:57 True. Better nerf Sif. 14:33:03 imo file a bug on mantis 14:33:10 it is finding the book of unlife which doesn't contain 'necromancy" other than in its spell schoolls 14:33:36 testing just now, it finds single-school necro spells, but not multi-school ones 14:33:49 or rather, books containing... 14:34:15 I should make a godwinrate command 14:34:28 or godrunerate I mean 14:34:47 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:34:50 !lg * cv=0.16 14:34:50 262. BigBluFrog the Conjurer (L1 DsCj), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2015-03-12 19:33:31, with 4 points after 294 turns and 0:03:22. 14:34:57 !lg * cv=0.16 x=cv 14:34:57 262. [cv=0.16] BigBluFrog the Conjurer (L1 DsCj), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2015-03-12 19:33:31, with 4 points after 294 turns and 0:03:22. 14:35:03 !lg * cv=0.16 won s=god 14:35:03 5 games for * (cv=0.16 won): 3x The Shining One, Makhleb, Cheibriados 14:35:14 !lg * cv=0.16 won s=god,name 14:35:14 5 games for * (cv=0.16 won): 3x The Shining One (axaxaxas, Hurricos, SaintRoka), Makhleb (Eleison), Cheibriados (vale) 14:35:30 I blame the faketournament for cheibriados 14:36:37 how do I copy over the contribs again <_<; 14:36:50 how do you mean? 14:36:56 you want to fetch them? 14:36:58 yeah 14:37:01 git submodule update --init 14:37:10 from top-level dir I think 14:38:37 ctrl-F not finding spellbook 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9534 by rchandra 14:38:37 CanOfWorms: the contribs are each their own repo, like how crawl is a repo itself, so git submodule generally just runs the corresponding git commands for the contrib submodules, which are their own repos living in source/contrib 14:38:37 ah 14:38:38 I worder that poorly but you get the idea 14:38:45 !lg * cv=0.16 won s=src 14:38:45 *worded 14:38:46 5 games for * (cv=0.16 won): 4x cszo, cbro 14:39:05 !lm * cv=0.16 rune min=turns 14:39:21 71. [2015-03-12 18:05:13] Colenzo the Bludgeoner (L14 MiBe of Trog) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 5223. (Snake:5) 14:39:22 gammafunk: note that cv=0.16 isn't counting 0.16.0-b1 games 14:39:28 yeah I know 14:39:33 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:39:40 was looking for a vanity milestone 14:39:43 mm 14:39:46 some mibe got it 14:39:50 !lm * cv=0.16 rune min=turns -2 14:39:51 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:05 huh, that's pretty slow 14:40:08 !lg 14:40:09 70/71. [2015-03-12 18:21:15] Colenzo the Bludgeoner (L15 MiBe of Trog) found a decaying rune of Zot on turn 6970. (Swamp:5) 14:40:11 2699. gammafunk the Caller (L2 HESu), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2015-03-11 17:20:19, with 9 points after 380 turns and 0:02:13. 14:40:18 probably irc lag 14:40:23 yeah probably 14:41:53 geckowned again... 14:43:06 !lm . hesu cv=0.16 s=gid 14:43:07 19 milestones for gammafunk (hesu cv=0.16): 19x gammafunk:cszo:20150211172046S 14:43:32 well I should get the ball rolling on these binaries, I guess 14:44:05 !tell geekosaur Whenever you're ready to make an OS X binary, feel free; 0.16 is tagged 14:44:06 gammafunk: OK, I'll let geekosaur know. 14:45:31 !tell Napkin Are you able to make the windows and source packages now that 0.16 is tagged? I can do those and upload to cdo, but if it's easy for you please feel free. You can keep LTO disabled on windows and use the crosscompilation setup you have now, I think? 14:45:32 gammafunk: OK, I'll let napkin know. 14:45:58 oh, we might only host the source package on sourceforge anyhow 14:46:52 !time 14:46:52 Time: Mar 12, 2015, 07:46:52 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament starts in 1 day, 13 minutes and 7 seconds. 14:47:35 oh, sdl2 is borking on compile 14:47:42 -!- wildleaf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:47 :x 14:47:55 CanOfWorms: what are you compiling on 14:48:00 you probably need the right make flag 14:48:04 make TILES=y 14:48:08 msys-git 14:48:09 I mean OS 14:48:12 ok yeah 14:48:13 windows 14:48:18 you need NO_PKGCONFIG=y 14:48:32 so make TILES=y NO_PKGCONFIG=y 14:48:40 CanOfWorms: and have you upgraded gcc with win-builds? 14:48:40 still trying to compile sdl2 14:48:48 probably not 14:48:53 see INSTALL.txt 14:48:57 has full instructions 14:49:19 if you haven't upgraded gcc don't bother trying to compile any more 14:49:21 it won't work 14:49:38 ok 14:49:42 -!- puddlestomp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:51:12 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Client Quit] 14:51:47 -!- wildleaf_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:58:33 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:00:27 rchandra: tbh I think you have the best pun so far for 0.16t 15:00:54 there's even continuity with the legendary Pretty Fly for a MiFi 15:00:59 -!- wildleaf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:01:03 maybe it's not a new one though, I don't know 15:01:04 blazinghand's idea 15:01:10 he's a genius 15:01:14 -!- wildleaf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:15 also I should remove it as I don't know my team situation 15:01:17 -!- raskol_` is now known as raskol 15:02:41 I feel like the fi and mi should be switched 15:02:41 I dunno, "science mi"? 15:02:41 I switched them from BH's original 15:02:41 I mean that's pretty great 15:02:41 but yeah it does work either way 15:02:41 or... 15:02:41 Bull Mi the Science Fi? 15:02:41 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:41 not bad also 15:03:23 -!- olourkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:14 I like that one. 15:05:05 guy <-> mi seems more analogous than guy <-> fi to me. 15:05:45 yes, fighter is more like an adjective phrase than a noun 15:05:48 that's true, I was just going off the connection of minotaur and science 15:05:56 which is kind of funnier than fighter and science 15:08:35 gammafunk: I think I'm arguing in favor of your version 15:08:50 Lasty_: yes, I'm actually agreeing with you :) 15:08:53 oh, haha 15:09:01 what I meant was, that's an even better reason 15:09:01 EVERYONE WINS. 15:09:06 \o/ 15:09:08 Which is really against the crawl spirit. 15:09:18 -!- wildleaf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:37 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:10:09 are you playing in the tournament, Lasty_ ? 15:11:43 I did team HESu last t, which had very strict rules that you can only play HESu, which only I followed, and which really was a team of "devs demonstrably better at crawl than neil but still not very good" 15:11:52 gammafunk: ofc 15:11:57 I'm on Morganleah's team 15:12:01 ah 15:12:12 oh good the juiceboys are back 15:12:31 gammafunk: haha, can't rack up that many points playing only one combo :D 15:12:43 n1k: juiceboys? 15:12:58 Lasty_, an infamous team of miscreants 15:12:59 a mainstay 15:13:06 yeah, obviously I could win non-speedruns, but I basically only did that the entire tourney, although I played around with nem choice combos I think 15:13:24 haha 15:14:18 geeze, that team with logicninja, someoneawful, and sirsamvines, and haif 15:14:31 notably and magicpoints 15:15:10 yeah I see the wiki team by moogledan again as well 15:15:29 glad we haven't driven them away with our evolving wiki stance 15:15:38 -!- jeremie__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:16:24 tedronai is playing, maybe he'll match theglow 15:17:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:36 -!- ProzacElf has left ##crawl-dev 15:19:09 good to see the Official PewDiePie Bro Army HashtagStayAwesome stillin the running 15:19:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:26 also: lol @ the #notallmennas situation 15:20:11 I just hope Berder says yes to being on my team 15:20:39 he'll carry you 15:20:49 team query for the straight guy? 15:21:06 wait, is n1000 even in this?! 15:21:19 ..curious 15:21:56 n1k was removed 15:21:59 yeah he just joined Bill Fir the Science Mi 15:22:04 s/r// 15:22:10 excellent choice imo 15:22:11 0.16 changelog is pretty big, not surprised you missed it 15:22:27 under the Removed Players section 15:22:34 PleasingFungus, can you imagine the cruelty of making me linkify my own removal 15:22:38 Bill Fi the Science Mi 15:22:47 "remove n1000 from CREDITS.txt" 15:22:52 curious to see who yermak pairs with 15:22:53 n1k: only if one of our Volunteer Contributors did the deed! 15:23:53 PleasingFungus, what if... *I* was the contributor 15:23:56 ! 15:23:58 also man it's totally unfair but I really don't like your new name 15:24:01 rubs me the wrong way 15:24:37 PleasingFungus, yeah, I don't like it but I was sick of people reading my name as "none thousand" 15:24:58 I hope we can cwz into the mix somehow 15:25:04 I've just not heard back from hong via email 15:25:09 get 15:25:12 Now people read it as nick 15:25:24 /nick 15:25:24 yeah 15:25:52 -!- n1k is now known as nONETHOUSAND 15:26:05 n_one_thousand 15:26:48 imo just choose a completely different name 15:26:50 I haven't thought of a solution. Some other freenode person has 'n1000' and uses it 15:26:51 -!- Jeremie__ has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:52 maximize confusion 15:26:54 I recommend 'dowan'. 15:27:04 brutal! 15:27:25 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:50 I think you should choose a new name that reflects the way you obtained the rights to your apartment and also the wonderful time you had playing a chimney sweep named Gus in a drama class: LeasingFunGus 15:29:03 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:34 -!- nONETHOUSAND is now known as n1k 15:31:29 -!- jeremie__ has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:33:06 this is the kind of innovation we need. 15:34:08 -!- Fusha has quit [] 15:35:46 <|amethyst> no, but it's the kind of innovation we deserve 15:37:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:38:17 <|amethyst> http://31.media.tumblr.com/af40cedde8dab745cd5205d1a31e4377/tumblr_mx849nm7pr1s3a5yio1_500.jpg 15:38:32 <|amethyst> pretty sure that's not actually me 15:38:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:58 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:40:51 hmm 15:41:08 even with no_pkgconfig it still seems to be trying to build pcre? 15:41:21 <|amethyst> what OS? 15:41:26 windows, msys 15:41:36 gcc --version is giving 4.8.3 15:41:36 <|amethyst> yes, Windows always needs pcre 15:43:50 <|amethyst> because if you're missing PCRE we fall back to the OS's posix re implementation, but that won't work on Windows 15:44:13 <|amethyst> and I don't think we even try on Windows to find those libraries elsewhere 15:44:26 <|amethyst> !source Makefile:188 15:44:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/Makefile;hb=HEAD#l188 15:44:49 CanOfWorms: it's NO_PKGCONFIG=y and the case matters 15:44:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:59 but yeah it should build pcre 15:44:59 yeah, I have the case right 15:45:15 hmm, I'm getting this: http://puu.sh/gxB64/62a7fd12f5.png 15:45:16 you're building the contribs because you need them 15:45:47 -!- ogaz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:52 hrm, did you select the right architecture? 15:45:55 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: do you have a C compiler? 15:46:16 <|amethyst> that matches your C++ compiler I mean 15:46:17 yeah he said gcc --version gives 4.8.3 15:46:17 I'm not sure if I do 15:46:29 g++ --version 15:46:31 will tell you 15:46:33 but it probably does 15:46:38 <|amethyst> you can try make FORCE_GCC=cc 15:46:44 <|amethyst> well, it's not just a matter of the gcc version 15:46:45 hmm 15:46:45 <|amethyst> err 15:46:50 <|amethyst> make FORCE_GCC=gcc 15:47:06 <|amethyst> it's looking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc.exe specifically 15:47:10 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Excess Flood] 15:47:20 <|amethyst> I suspect you have x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++.exe but not that? 15:47:42 I think he'd have both, but may have selected the wrong arch somehow 15:48:41 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 15:49:29 <|amethyst> LMACH := $(shell gcc -dumpmachine)- 15:49:30 well, I tried doing the "source /opt/windows_32/bin/win-builds-switch" but I get a directory doesn't exist message 15:50:11 so I tried updating the bin folder in mingw with the one the installer gave me :v 15:50:56 <|amethyst> !learn add |amethyst[3] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Iziko_Mineral_Amethyst_Pipe.JPG 15:50:57 |amethyst[3/22]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Iziko_Mineral_Amethyst_Pipe.JPG 15:52:15 <|amethyst> !learn del |amethyst[10] 15:52:16 Deleted |amethyst[10/22]: see {nfm} 15:53:18 -!- lrvs has quit [Client Quit] 15:53:32 -!- ElanMorin is now known as Tedronai 15:53:39 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:23 anyway I need to get going for now 15:54:33 I'll figure this out after food 15:54:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 15:56:13 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:55 |amethyst: hrm, the original gcc in msys is /mingw/bin/gcc, which gives a target of just mingw32 16:00:46 <|amethyst> possibly path order issue then 16:01:04 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:10 <|amethyst> or copying some of the binaries (gcc, g++) into $PATH without the ones that specifically include arch name 16:02:10 <|amethyst> since we assume that, if gcc -dumpmachine says "vax-hurd", you have vax-hurd-gcc and vax-hurd-g++ in your $PATH 16:03:31 todo: build Crawl on a VAX 16:03:43 * gammafunk Annihilates Grunt! 16:03:54 * Grunt reveals the great annihilating truth to gammafunk!!! 16:04:17 Grunt: question btw, did you make the apt repo yourself when you made the debs? 16:04:26 no, it was there already 16:04:42 ok, maybe I just have to make a dir, but I'll see what needs to happen then 16:04:56 do you have cdo admin access? 16:05:01 well, shell access 16:05:03 yeah 16:05:06 sec 16:07:30 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:27 <|amethyst> is deb/ a reprepro config directory? 16:08:51 yeah seems like it 16:08:56 <|amethyst> https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro might be helpful 16:09:05 (I'm providing gammafunk the commands I used to update it) 16:09:07 Grunt: I figured out how to use cowbuilder to make debs on multiple archs/distos very easilly. Sadly it seems compiling with LTO on anything but ubutntu utopic fails 16:09:07 <|amethyst> aha 16:09:35 but these packages should support ubuntu utopic and trusty and debian testing and sid 16:09:59 and maybe others like mint, not sure 16:10:07 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:18 I don't know if I can compile on the other two archs though 16:10:23 arm architectures? 16:10:27 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:16 <|amethyst> I don't think we actually have any packages for those archs 16:11:26 we do! 16:11:27 <|amethyst> find deb/pool -name \*arm\* => nothing 16:11:37 you can see them in the cdo repo anyhow 16:11:39 <|amethyst> oh doh 16:11:43 <|amethyst> symlink 16:12:03 <|amethyst> nothing for 0.15 though 16:12:06 oh not 0.15, yeah 16:12:09 0.14 I think though 16:12:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte did arm builds because he uses Linux on a phone 16:12:27 dang it I know I saw these 16:12:53 yeah some 0.15 trunk ones 16:12:59 armel 16:13:10 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:13:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:29 but yeah not important 16:16:15 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:17:13 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:50 <|amethyst> !time 16:18:51 Time: Mar 12, 2015, 09:18:50 PM, UTC. The 2015 0.16 tournament starts in 22 hours, 41 minutes and 9 seconds. 16:19:01 <|amethyst> hm 16:19:06 tick tock 16:19:17 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 16:19:33 <|amethyst> aww, I was hoping you'd just say "tick" 16:20:11 tick 16:20:11 <|amethyst> We have ways of making you tock! 16:20:20 <|amethyst> there, out of my system 16:20:24 mm 16:20:39 ??hangedman[gif 16:20:40 hangedman[11/19]: http://i.imgur.com/QKTKT.gif 16:21:18 <|amethyst> Sometime before the night's rebuilds we should add -DTOURNEY='"0.16"' 16:21:37 <|amethyst> %git 0e45cf2e 16:21:41 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-304-g0e45cf2: 0.15 tournament reminder 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e45cf2e0fb8 16:21:51 -!- olourkin1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:22:03 <|amethyst> or could add it later tomorrow and trigger trunk rebuilds then 16:23:00 probably it isn't good to have the game tell people that the tourney is going before the tourney starts 16:23:28 otoh it isn't good if people start a trunk game right after tourney starts, thinking that it will count for tourney 16:23:33 so I'm not sure 16:23:54 I guess there's the problem that those rebuilds are not easy to trigger on some servers 16:24:10 ??rebuild 16:24:11 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 16:24:22 ??rebuild[2] 16:24:23 rebuild[2/2]: Trunk update start times in UTC (second number during summer time): CSZO: 0600/0500; CAO: 1700; CDO: 0600/0500; CLAN: 2300/2200; CBRO: 0800/0700; CXC: 0500/0400; CPO: every 15 minutes 16:24:27 hm 16:24:31 elliptic: if we don't get cwz updated in time, does that cause any problems? can it be added a bit later into the tourney without problems? 16:24:48 gammafunk: it can be added whenever 16:24:59 ok, good 16:25:04 gammafunk: we've often in the past had a server not get the version until days into the tourney 16:25:17 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:36 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:08 <|amethyst> oh 16:26:13 I'll need to add the milestone/logfile file URLs to the scripts, so it won't happen automatically (but it's easy) 16:26:15 <|amethyst> I guess I should remove that "beta" now 16:26:39 we should change the dcss icon to one of canofworms' dragons 16:29:48 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:12 <|amethyst> we should use some of the steam profits to hire a professional advertising agency to design our logo 16:31:18 mm 16:31:26 do it 16:32:12 imo dcss already has a very good logo 16:36:17 at some point I should probably go through and rewrite the steam copy 16:36:32 <|amethyst> hopefully you can 16:36:41 <|amethyst> I hear they often use copy protection 16:36:43 I believe I have the power. 16:36:46 ha 16:37:09 : /nick PowerFungus 16:38:06 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:07 mm 16:38:14 i think only the actual creator can edit it directly, other contributors can just add comments or something weird 16:38:40 well bh will probably be happy to put in your edits 16:38:40 oh, also it seems to be hidden 16:39:13 @??death ooze 16:39:14 death ooze (06J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 11 | HP: 40-59 | AC/EV: 2/4 | Dam: 3204(rot), 32 | 07undead, 04eats items, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1091 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 16:39:27 MarvinPA: I think the idea is that it's hidden until we're ready to launch the campaign properly 16:39:34 since first impressions are important 16:39:39 i mean it's hidden to me 16:40:05 which it wasn't last time i looked, dunno what's up there 16:40:16 oh 16:40:19 maybe steam signed you out 16:40:33 it's not very good at communicating that 16:40:44 Bloax: i was joking, i think the cauldron is fine 16:40:55 (though we do need it at a much higher resolution) 16:40:59 i'm definitely signed in, will message bh i guess 16:41:02 (and preferably in svg) 16:41:17 isn't there an svg somewhere in the tree> 16:41:20 *? 16:41:33 i have no idea; if so i haven't seen it 16:41:51 !source util/dcss.svg 16:41:52 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/util/dcss.svg;hb=HEAD 16:42:02 maybe that's something else 16:42:23 <|amethyst> just the pot 16:42:30 <|amethyst> util/dcss.svg 16:42:45 looks like a pot to me 16:42:56 isn't that our logo? 16:42:59 hm 16:42:59 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:43:01 just Ctrl-O http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob_plain;f=crawl-ref/source/util/dcss.svg 16:43:01 <|amethyst> that's not a logo 16:43:24 oh the dc:ss stuff 16:43:58 that is indeed a pot 16:44:09 logo has gone to pot? 16:44:11 <|amethyst> caldera, whatever 16:44:17 however: gradients, ew 16:44:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:10 <|amethyst> someone set up a scene and render it in povray 16:50:19 got a a. lich with: sgd, haunt, malign gateway 16:50:21 thanks doy 16:50:44 haha 16:50:44 summonstorm lich :o 16:50:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:18 Summon Storm 16:51:20 hm 16:51:34 is grunt getting Ideas again 16:51:43 !hellfire PleasingFungus 16:51:44 * Sequell ends PleasingFungus in hellfire! You hear a strangely unpleasant explosion. 16:52:04 gammalich 16:52:06 -!- titonicCptn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:34 dear crawl gods I was wondering if "improve unique xp and loot" is still a thing? would love, I like hunting down uniques. greetings from Belarus 16:53:45 -!- olourkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:53:53 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:54:21 yes, there is a branch about it, but mostly focusing on xp so far 16:54:31 there are plans to improve xp for various uniques in 0.17, yes 16:55:12 I don't personally feel like uniques need better loot (a lot of them often have good equipment already) but maybe others do 16:55:34 <|amethyst> !send elliptic +12 club 16:55:35 Sending +12 club to elliptic. 16:55:54 i found an artifact helmet on robin once 16:55:56 elliptic: I'd like it if early uniques sometimes had +1 Str rings etc... more like a souvenir 16:55:58 ??12 club[$ 16:55:59 +12 club[5/5]: Chunsik the Skirmisher (L3 DsFi), slain by Ijyb (a +12 club) on D:2 on 2015-01-11 04:10:12, with 35 points after 790 turns and 0:01:41. 16:56:03 good 16:56:26 !lg * kaux~~^a_+12_.*club$ 16:56:27 No games for * (kaux~~^a_+12_.*club$). 16:56:29 <|amethyst> ash buff 16:56:36 when I see roxanne for example Im like "oh yes transifgurations" or when I see louise "oh yes great shield" 16:56:38 hm 16:56:43 !lg * kaux~~+12 16:56:44 ERROR: invalid regular expression: quantifier operand invalid 16:56:46 !lg * kaux~~^a_\+12_.*club$ 16:56:52 1. Chunsik the Skirmisher (L3 DsFi), slain by Ijyb (a +12 club) on D:2 on 2015-01-11 04:10:12, with 35 points after 790 turns and 0:01:41. 16:57:11 !lg * kaux~~^a_\+1\d 16:57:12 84. hornqvist the Sneak (L2 OpAs), mangled by Ijyb (a +10 club) on D:2 on 2015-03-02 10:21:46, with 15 points after 599 turns and 0:01:09. 16:57:14 clean, elegant, precise. 12club. 16:57:23 !lg * kaux~~^a_\+1\d -2 16:57:25 83/84. Johnny the Fighter (L9 OgWz of Gozag), slain by Erolcha (a +10 giant club) on D:7 on 2015-02-04 15:10:02, with 3235 points after 9178 turns and 0:19:24. 16:57:29 good club 16:57:29 * Grunt flattens PleasingFungus like a pancake with a +12 giant spiked club!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:57:36 * PleasingFungus dies... 16:57:47 !lg * kaux~~giant kaux~~a_\+1\d 16:57:48 15. Johnny the Fighter (L9 OgWz of Gozag), slain by Erolcha (a +10 giant club) on D:7 on 2015-02-04 15:10:02, with 3235 points after 9178 turns and 0:19:24. 16:57:52 !lg * kaux~~giant kaux~~a_\+11 16:57:53 3. Brannock the Nimble (L10 HuWn of The Shining One), mangled by Erolcha (a +11 giant club) on D:7 (st_stairs_3) on 2014-09-04 21:12:42, with 5199 points after 16626 turns and 0:33:51. 16:57:56 !lg * kaux~~giant kaux~~a_\+12 16:57:56 No games for * (kaux~~giant kaux~~a_\+12). 16:57:58 many early uniques already often come with useful weapons or armour 16:58:08 ??12 club[giant 16:58:09 +12_club[3/5]: stumpy the Spear-Bearer (L9 TeBe of Trog), mangled by Erolcha (a +5,+12 giant spiked club) on D:8 on 2014-03-24 20:24:10, with 3288 points after 8030 turns and 0:57:47. 16:58:12 some of them are even guaranteed, e.g. yiuf cloak+staff 16:58:37 sigmund's loot is sort of hilariously bad though 16:58:54 <|amethyst> the robe is sometimes good 16:58:55 he tends to have a decent robe 16:59:02 clearly make him spawn with 16:59:03 ??finisher 16:59:04 finisher[1/1]: The +5 scythe "Finisher" {speed, Str+3}. 16:59:05 give Sigmund Finisher 16:59:10 <_< 16:59:13 great minds 16:59:17 give cursed +13 scythe 16:59:24 some of them have better loot than others, yeah... I'm not sure they all need to have yiuf-level loot, or even all need to have a high chance of a useful weapon like edmund 16:59:43 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:07 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:07 for sigmund, I think doubling his xp value or whatever unique_xp branch does is a reasonable start 17:00:24 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 30 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 104 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d4), confuse | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:00:24 %??sigmund 17:00:30 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 19-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 118 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 17:00:30 %??ogre 17:00:31 haha 17:00:45 giving sigmund a small chance of having finisher seems fine to me btw 17:00:55 -!- olourkin1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:01:01 what have I done 17:01:03 1/100 17:01:11 first I sank titonic and now sigmund has finisher 17:01:15 Grunt: what are you, crazy? 17:01:21 we have a couple other uniques with a small chance of unrands, right? 17:01:28 Arachne has a 1/100 chance of Olgreb 17:01:32 Nikola has a 1/100 chance of arc blade 17:01:41 I think that's it 17:01:53 1/100 is kind of really tiny 17:02:05 ??scythe of curses 17:02:06 scythe of curses[1/3]: +13 scythe of draining which curses your equipment and inflicts necromancy miscasts on living targets it hits. Better than many bardiches! 17:02:06 -!- Spatzist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02:13 don't give sigmund that 17:02:21 since sigmund is common then 1/30 would probably do 17:02:25 Sigmund the Dreaded comes into view. He is wielding the +13 Scythe of Curses {drain, Curse}. 17:02:36 gg 17:02:47 wow 17:03:00 why not make Sigmund come back in hell after you kill him 17:03:03 exactly like that 17:03:06 except as a reaper 17:03:15 !learn edit scythe_of_curses[1] s/many/most/ 17:03:17 scythe of curses[1/3]: +13 scythe of draining which curses your equipment and inflicts necromancy miscasts on living targets it hits. Better than most bardiches! 17:03:49 probably with some ridiculous spellset too 17:04:21 hellfire, invis, ood, para 17:04:22 >_> 17:04:35 ha 17:04:52 reaper (152) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 102-150 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4508 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:04:52 %??reaper hd:23 17:05:34 reaper (152) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 128-167 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6900 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:05:34 %??reaper hd:27 17:05:39 PleasingFungus: you going to be playing in the tourney? 17:06:37 oke tanks for making crawl awsumer, good night 17:06:43 -!- titonicCptn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:08:23 your welcome 17:08:37 Sigmund the Angry Dead (152) | Spd: 15 | HD: 27 | HP: 192-251 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 67 | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6900 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:08:37 %??reaper hd:27 perm_ench:berserk name:Sigmund_the_Angry_Dead 17:08:51 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:59 i swear this is balanced guys 17:11:28 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11:31 chequers: where can I view my 0.16 rc file? https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/crawl-0.16/Kramin.rc gives 404 17:12:19 wheals: I have no plans 17:12:21 <|amethyst> https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/Kramin.rc 17:12:50 oh, I thought I tried that 17:12:56 but it works, thanks 17:12:59 PleasingFungus: you can't fool me, you always have plans!! 17:13:17 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:13:36 well 17:13:43 I have no *tournament-related* plans 17:14:37 always plenty of other plans... 17:14:47 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:10 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: There's nothing dirtier then a giant ball of oil] 17:15:12 might be nice to start a new character for the first time in a few months 17:15:15 play a non-mummy 17:16:11 -!- olourkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:21 !greatplayer PleasingFungus 17:16:27 Unwon species for PleasingFungus: Mummy 17:16:30 hehe 17:16:34 !lm . 17:16:34 5992. [2015-03-10 19:10:15] PleasingFungus the Convoker (L20 MuAs of Gozag) killed Mennas on turn 66236. (Crypt:2) 17:16:35 !lg PleasingFungus current trunk / mu 17:16:36 !lm . x=gid 17:16:37 1/58 games for PleasingFungus (current trunk): N=1/58 (1.72%) 17:16:37 5992. [2015-03-10 19:10:15] [game_key=PleasingFungus:cszo:20150014001128S] PleasingFungus the Convoker (L20 MuAs of Gozag) killed Mennas on turn 66236. (Crypt:2) 17:16:41 !lg . current trunk / mu 17:16:42 49/161 games for wheals (current trunk): N=49/161 (30.43%) 17:16:47 oh od 17:16:49 *god 17:16:50 why 17:16:57 mummy is the most fun race left on my !greatplayer 17:17:16 !greatplayer 17:17:16 felids are secretly really good and well-designed. 17:17:22 Unwon species for wheals: Deep Elf, Formicid, Mummy, Octopode 17:17:25 oh, huh 17:17:28 i know, i like them 17:17:30 deep elf, huh 17:17:39 the funnest race left on my greatplayer is 17:17:42 well, uh 17:17:43 17:17:46 imp? 17:17:51 salamander? 17:17:52 !send Grunt 17:17:53 Sending to Grunt. 17:17:55 bearkin!!! 17:18:05 lacertillian 17:18:06 17:18:11 I'm kind of fond of formicid. it plays well into that heavy-armour caster role that I've enjoyed lately 17:18:26 lacertilian, haha 17:18:29 hm 17:18:32 !hs . foee 17:18:33 No games for PleasingFungus (foee). 17:18:35 messed up 17:18:38 !send PleasingFungus octopode paladins 17:18:39 Sending octopode paladins to PleasingFungus. 17:18:41 yea, i will still be glad to play more races though 17:18:43 !hs . ee 17:18:44 2. PleasingFungus the Metallomancer (L27 OpEE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-18 19:32:25, with 14404106 points after 109203 turns and 10:51:06. 17:18:48 oh yeah that guy 17:18:52 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 17:18:53 !hs . ee 17:18:53 21. SGrunt the Petrodigitator (L27 GrEE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-27 18:53:15, with 1389072 points after 112330 turns and 6:15:49. 17:18:56 was that a heavy armour caster? :P 17:19:00 er 17:19:00 that character was 17:19:02 agreeable 17:19:05 ... 17:19:11 any character can be a heavy armor caster 17:19:17 !hs . mi 17:19:18 15. SGrunt the Invulnerable (L27 MiGl of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-11-27 22:09:00, with 9990173 points after 169298 turns and 8:59:07. 17:19:18 Grunt: that pun was egreegious 17:19:21 ^ heavy armour caster 17:19:22 chei is not a real god, Bloax. 17:19:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:19:24 <|amethyst> draconian can't 17:19:30 !hs . dr 17:19:30 40. SGrunt the Englaciator (L27 DrCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-12-21 05:12:49, with 10581511 points after 160324 turns and 11:38:05. 17:19:37 !hs . dj 17:19:37 <|amethyst> (anymore) 17:19:37 draconians don't exist 17:19:37 7. PleasingFungus the Djinn Blade (L22 DjFE of The Shining One), shot by a deep elf master archer (arrow) (created by the fury of Okawaru) on Vaults:3 (minmay_crypt_entry_skeletal_spiral) on 2014-02-26 03:37:37, with 423168 points after 102766 turns and 7:30:35. 17:19:41 huh 17:19:41 !hs . dr x=ac,ev,sh 17:19:42 40. [ac=46;ev=36;sh=0] SGrunt the Englaciator (L27 DrCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-12-21 05:12:49, with 10581511 points after 160324 turns and 11:38:05. 17:19:43 I made bad decisions 17:19:47 Driesel 17:19:48 didn't know you were around back then 17:20:03 !lg . 1 17:20:04 1/375. PleasingFungus the Covert (L9 KoAs), slain by a goliath beetle on D:7 (lemuel_insect_pit) on 2013-11-23 00:38:12, with 2574 points after 11251 turns and 1:02:57. 17:20:09 !lg . 1 17:20:10 1/1426. SGrunt the Skirmisher (L3 KoBe of Trog), blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) on D:3 on 2012-05-07 18:17:33, with 104 points after 2149 turns and 0:08:33. 17:20:14 <|amethyst> high AC isn't the same as "heavy armour" :P 17:20:17 started playing offline a few years before, iirc 17:20:26 well, that counts even less than webtiles 17:20:34 if such a thing can be imagined 17:20:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:20:53 rip... 17:20:55 PleasingFungus: anyway, i guess you'd be up to a team with gammafunk + me + you again? 17:21:02 r??reserved clan names 17:21:02 reserved_clan_names[12/13]: Mystic Numbers [gammafunk] 17:21:05 can't promise I'll contribute much 17:21:08 that one's lame 17:21:09 r??reserved clan names 17:21:10 reserved_clan_names[1/13]: HuAr_you_HuHu_HuHu [|amethyst] 17:21:16 that one's reserved 17:21:17 r??reserved clan names 17:21:17 reserved_clan_names[9/13]: AF_SHADOW_CREATURES [theTower] 17:21:20 perfect 17:21:46 r??reserved_clan_names 17:21:47 reserved_clan_names[5/13]: The Devteam Shrikes Back [wheals, courtesy of tabstorm] 17:21:49 <|amethyst> isn't that one reserved too? 17:21:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:21:58 <|amethyst> not that one 17:21:58 haha 17:22:03 "098 vaults" or "lootfeel" are both solid, imho 17:22:08 |amethyst: well, all of those are reserved... :P 17:22:22 lootfeel is a good word 17:22:29 <|amethyst> wheals: I figured "reserved by a team member" didn't count :P 17:22:38 that feel when lootfeel overcomes you 17:22:40 lootfeel skald 17:22:43 alternately: play only skalds; "lutefeel" 17:22:55 <|amethyst> lootfisk 17:23:02 alternately: play only mfsk, "lutef- 17:23:06 damn you 17:23:13 <|amethyst> :) 17:23:59 |amethyst: anyway, hangedman isn't actually playing in any tourneys 17:24:09 i just jokingly reserved that one in his name 17:24:22 <|amethyst> ah 17:24:27 -!- Icadius has quit [Client Quit] 17:25:07 lying man on wheals 17:25:34 i think i like "critical goblin mass" best of all of ours 17:25:50 !readall reserved_clan_names 17:25:50 HuAr_you_HuHu_HuHu [|amethyst] / 098 vaults [gammafunk] / Tautological Constants [gammafunk] / sultanas of swing [wheals] / The Devteam Shrikes Back [wheals, courtesy of tabstorm] / Nihilistic Methodology [gammafunk] / Obvious Undead Applications [gammafunk] / Critical Goblin Mass [gammafunk] / AF_SHADOW_CREATURES [theTower] / lootfeel [gammafunk] / #notallmennas (haifisch) / Mystic Numbers [gamma... 17:25:53 <|amethyst> extremely-low-win-rate devs invited to TEAMCAPTAIN: neil 17:26:21 I think I like Obvious Undead Applications 17:26:21 can I join anyway 17:26:57 !rng Obvious_Undead_Applications Critical_Goblin_Mass 17:26:57 The RNG chooses: Obvious_Undead_Applications. 17:27:00 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name max(rstart)>=2015 / won o=_% 17:27:00 welp 17:27:01 Broken query near '>=2015 / won o=_%' 17:27:06 gammafunk: you win! 17:27:15 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name recent / won o=_% 17:27:15 Broken query near '%' 17:27:16 alas, lootfeel 17:27:19 sultanas of swing is best 17:27:19 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name recent / won o=-% 17:27:21 243/4912 games for @devteamnp (recent): 0/1x rob [0.00%], 0/1x erisdiscordia [0.00%], 0/3x reaverb [0.00%], 0/3x mumra [0.00%], 0/5x Keskitalo [0.00%], 0/1666x Neil [0.00%], 16/1392x gammafunk [1.15%], 6/293x dpeg [2.05%], 3/134x bh [2.24%], 12/440x wheals [2.73%], 2/45x ontoclasm [4.44%], 8/81x SGrunt [9.88%], 5/48x doy [10.42%], 22/185x MarvinPA [11.89%], 24/181x PleasingFungus [13.26%], 69/272x... 17:27:21 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:27:30 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name / won o=-% 17:27:32 1534/58151 games for @devteamnp: 0/3x reaverb [0.00%], 0/3x frogbotherer [0.00%], 0/43x Enne [0.00%], 0/155x Zaba [0.00%], 0/12x jpeg [0.00%], 0/1440x SamB [0.00%], 2/10454x Neil [0.02%], 24/10454x KiloByte [0.23%], 5/1360x bookofjude [0.37%], 2/420x mumra [0.48%], 23/3413x wheals [0.67%], 12/1682x bh [0.71%], 26/3393x sorear [0.77%], 8/979x HangedMan [0.82%], 9/893x erisdiscordia [1.01%], 31/2699... 17:27:45 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name / won o=-% ?:max(rstart)>=2015 17:27:46 Bad filter condition: 'max(rstart)' (extra: ) 17:27:48 <|amethyst> hm 17:28:19 nice error 17:28:29 : ) 17:28:48 there's an extra " " in something without a " " 17:28:57 that's very informative, thank you 17:29:03 gammafunk: i guess you can be the TEAMCAPTAIN and lead us to glorious HESu victories 17:29:09 which lets you choose the name 17:29:18 "...hrm...previous places of employment...Ossuary...ran a Kiku altar on Crypt:2 for a while....interned with the Tomb:1 Sphinx pack...hobbies include Torment, "trying and failing to learn transmutations", ...and what's this: "Favorite food: BRAIINNNS".....I think this is an Obvious Undead Application 17:29:24 Don't HESu wish your combo was GOOD like mine 17:29:25 <|amethyst> is there some syntax to do a HAVING that does a comparison involving an aggregate? 17:29:38 !wtf GOOD 17:29:39 Unemployed Unperson 17:29:40 wheals: 17:29:41 !lm . 17:29:41 <|amethyst> I guess I should ask somewhere else 17:29:41 13238. [2015-03-12 22:18:55] gammafunk the Convoker (L16 HESu of Sif Muna) found a silver rune of Zot on turn 15259. (Vaults:5) 17:29:46 I've been in training all day 17:29:50 dang, very glorious 17:30:08 hm, your char has more runes than mine 17:30:11 that elf survived a doy lich that he shouldn't have 17:30:15 and you're nearly as high level 17:30:22 &dump gammafunk 17:30:23 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt 17:30:24 random tele nearby 17:30:34 good qstaff 17:30:37 good str 17:30:42 2 v. luxurious 17:30:47 found |energy at least 17:30:58 but we have big problems that hopefully will get solved before slime 17:31:41 the doy lich haunted me and I was like at 5 hp or something, and miraculously it had just died 17:31:44 and the haunts poofed 17:31:52 ontoclasm: do you have a team already? 17:31:52 could have blinked but who knows how that would have gone 17:31:59 wheals: nope 17:32:02 well I can make one 17:32:06 do we have a name? 17:32:11 did you not have aura? 17:32:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:32:44 Obvious Undead Applications 17:32:51 or if there's a better one 17:33:09 ontoclasm: well, do you want to join gamma's + mine + maybe PF's? :) 17:33:14 sure 17:33:18 PF should join and just not play 17:33:21 honorary member 17:33:43 wow I just got |amethyst's team name 17:33:49 after ~24 hours 17:33:51 ok let me edit my rc, but if there's a better name than Obvious Undead Applications (lootfeel is also good!) speak up 17:33:59 that's really good 17:34:08 current options for name: Obvious Undead Applications, Sultanas of Swing, The Devteam Shrikes Back, lootfeel, Critical Goblin Mass, ??? 17:34:16 <|amethyst> I work hard on my team names :) 17:34:16 i like obvious undead applications, it sounds like a really terrible indie band 17:34:18 really good for you to get ajoke in 24 hours? 17:34:23 oh the name is really good 17:34:32 the name is good! 17:34:34 wait, is neil on the gammafunk team or another team 17:34:39 this is very confusing 17:34:40 The Devteam Shrikes Back is very cute and not very tryhard 17:34:45 neil has his own team, PleasingFungus 17:34:48 neil is his own team, but we could join that one 17:34:48 <|amethyst> I always run my own team 17:34:50 with an excellent name 17:34:50 <|amethyst> for the losers 17:34:52 ah ok 17:34:56 <|amethyst> no, I don't think you could 17:34:57 dang... 17:35:01 <|amethyst> !lg gammafunk / won 17:35:02 31/2699 games for gammafunk: N=31/2699 (1.15%) 17:35:04 Devteam shrikes back <3 would love to take part :) 17:35:05 <|amethyst> !lg pleasingfungus / won 17:35:06 34/375 games for pleasingfungus: N=34/375 (9.07%) 17:35:06 it is an EXCLUSIVE club 17:35:07 Pipe Characters 17:35:09 <|amethyst> sorry, over 1% 17:35:12 <|amethyst> !lg dpeg / won 17:35:13 hey if we go that one 17:35:13 25/2266 games for dpeg: N=25/2266 (1.10%) 17:35:16 we get dpeg! 17:35:21 <|amethyst> In fact, dpeg is kicked off this year :) 17:35:25 lol 17:35:26 dang 17:35:28 rip 17:35:30 kicked off? 17:35:39 <|amethyst> dpeg: you're too good for my clan, sorry 17:35:42 but I can probably only play on the last days... going to Manchester tomorrow 17:35:43 !kw t0.15 17:35:44 Built-in: t0.15 => rstart>2014072920 rtime<2014081420 cv=0.15 17:35:49 this is some discrimination... 17:35:52 yeah we have enough room I guess 17:35:54 !lg dpeg rstart<2014072920 / won 17:35:55 19/2038 games for dpeg (rstart<2014072920): N=19/2038 (0.93%) 17:35:58 Kramin: https://crawl.project357.org/rc-files/0.16/Kramin.rc 17:36:02 it just gets worse! 17:36:14 anyone hate The Devteam Shrikes Back? 17:36:19 !lg . rstart>2014072920 / won 17:36:20 2/251 games for Bloax (rstart>2014072920): N=2/251 (0.80%) 17:36:32 gammafunk: imho undead applications or lootfeel is better 17:36:34 which of the two? 17:36:34 Ru-turn of the Jedi was totally a better movei 17:36:34 haha 17:36:37 *movie 17:36:38 lootfeel ideally 17:36:39 I think lootfeel 17:36:40 yeah 17:36:40 !lg . rstart>2014072920 s=char 17:36:41 251 games for Bloax (rstart>2014072920): 37x DEFi, 30x VSTm, 16x MiTm, 15x VSAs, 14x VSCK, 12x MiMo, 11x GrTm, 10x MiFi, 9x TrTm, 7x TeMo, 6x SpTm, 6x TeEE, 6x DgTm, 6x HaHu, 6x HuTm, 5x MiGl, 5x FeTm, 4x OgHu, 4x HuMo, 4x MuGl, 4x BeMo, 4x KoCK, 3x DgFi, 3x MfGl, 2x TeTm, 2x FeFi, 2x MfTm, 2x MiWz, 2x GrGl, 2x VSMo, GrHu, VSAr, VSFi, CeHu, OgGl, MuMo, DDTm, MfAs, GrFi, DEWz, DEAs, DrTm 17:36:43 it's more universal 17:36:49 uh hi 17:36:50 the former is kind of just a "you had to be there joke" 17:36:52 !lg . rstart>2014072920 won s=char 17:36:53 2 games for Bloax (rstart>2014072920 won): VSTm, MiFi 17:36:53 lootfeel is also cool, yeah 17:37:00 Lootfeel or lootfeel 17:37:02 this matters! 17:37:08 lootfeel 17:37:10 lootfeel 17:37:11 lootfeel 17:37:16 wow, people agree with Bloax 17:37:19 fuck, I agreed with bloax. does this mean I'm going to explode - 17:37:22 ... 17:37:23 console and linux 4 lyfe 17:37:29 k 17:38:09 gammafunk: if you want me, please tell me the crawlrc tournament option tonight 17:38:19 I'll do what I can to get a win in 17:38:42 who's the captain 17:38:47 dpeg: yeah it'll be me as teamcaptain 17:39:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:39 # TEAMCAPTAIN gammafunk <-- at the top of your rc 17:40:01 dpeg: yeah my rc is modified, so what chequers said 17:40:05 that has to be the first line 17:40:56 blammo, CDO has no 0.16 17:41:02 I guess CSZO is fine? 17:41:12 yep 17:41:23 I'm sure Napkin will set up cdo soon 17:41:39 dpeg: clan is also fine if that's fast for you 17:42:45 it doesn't matter which server has my TEAMCAPTAIN line, right? 17:42:45 I guess I should also add bh 17:43:09 dpeg, doesn't matter 17:43:11 gammafunk: aye captain! 17:43:12 <|amethyst> dpeg: as long as you're registered on all the earlier servers on the list 17:43:17 MarvinPA: you're on the list 17:43:20 <|amethyst> that's the griefing protection 17:43:45 gammafunk: add me for what? baddev? 17:43:51 for team lootfeel 17:43:53 |amethyst: I am not sure I am :O 17:44:06 with me dpeg wheals PleasingFungus ontoclasm 17:44:18 <|amethyst> CSZO, CAO, CBRO, CDO, 17:44:41 no harm if you have a better clan lined up (but there is no better, we're sure to be no. 1 clan) 17:44:50 gammafunk: is our claim to fame that we suck at crawl? 17:44:52 |amethyst: dpeg is registered on CSZO CAO CDO 17:45:00 we're very good, actually. 17:45:03 <|amethyst> dpeg: go register it on cbro just in case then 17:45:09 bh: huh, weird 17:45:20 bh: I think |amethyst is trying to hold that title on his own 17:45:21 i guess i'll try messing around with steam on my side some more 17:45:32 <|amethyst> !lg bh / won 17:45:33 12/1682 games for bh: N=12/1682 (0.71%) 17:45:37 he's at a whole other level of dedication 17:45:46 oh is the cutoff 1%? 17:45:55 <|amethyst> bh qualified for baddev if he wants :) 17:45:59 <|amethyst> s/fied/fies/ 17:46:06 <|amethyst> yeah 17:46:10 bh: wow, you hear that? that's quite the honour 17:46:31 man if I'd really tried harder, I'd be good enough to qualify for baddev 17:46:46 next year they're changing the requirements to be both part of the devteam and part of awfulplayers 17:46:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:46:53 <|amethyst> ??awfulplayers 17:46:54 awfulplayers[1/4]: Membership in the awfulplayers list is strictly voluntary, but only open to those with over 1000 games and a win rate under 1%. 17:46:59 <|amethyst> yeah, that's it 17:47:07 !gamesby . !experimental 17:47:08 gammafunk (!experimental) has played 2659 games, between 2012-04-26 17:48:23 and 2015-03-11 17:20:19, won 28 (1.1%), high score 24084354, total score 146984911, total turns 15444883, play-time/day 2:05:45, total time 91d+16:45:52. 17:47:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:11 crap 17:47:18 there probably are awful great players 17:47:25 !gamesby dpeg 17:47:26 dpeg has played 2266 games, between 2006-12-15 12:29:19 and 2015-03-12 15:20:21, won 25 (1.1%), high score 2059249, total score 66673727, total turns 23744228, play-time/day 0:34:20, total time 71d+18:33:38. 17:47:30 !gamesby . !experimental 17:47:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you still have time to quit lots of games 17:47:31 Bloax (!experimental) has played 1222 games, between 2012-05-28 08:04:20 and 2015-03-11 22:57:45, won 13 (1.1%), high score 18264384, total score 115520379, total turns 5228008, play-time/day 0:34:30, total time 24d+9:27:30. 17:47:31 !gamesby wheals 17:47:32 wheals has played 3414 games, between 2012-07-11 00:24:00 and 2015-03-03 19:38:03, won 23 (0.7%), high score 13167153, total score 98819706, total turns 25342885, play-time/day 1:13:34, total time 49d+8:34:57. 17:47:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I don't insist on !boring 17:47:37 |amethyst: I guess that's true 17:47:40 yo 17:47:44 haha 17:47:46 wheals 17:47:50 i could be one 17:47:56 if i could win an op/fo 17:47:57 god damn it I'm going to lose my team 17:48:10 need to step up the free red bull and doritos gifts 17:48:15 !won . !boring 17:48:16 wheals (!boring) has won 23 times in 3020 games (0.76%): 1xCeHu 1xDDBe 1xDgWn 1xDrTm 1xDsFE 1xFeVM 1xGhVM 1xGrVM 1xHEIE 1xHOBe 1xHaBe 1xHuAr 1xKoBe 1xLOFi 1xMfGl 1xMiBe 1xNaNe 1xOgAs 1xSpEn 1xTeSk 1xTrWr 1xVSCK 1xVpHu 17:48:16 wheals: I freaking keep dying on my Fo with two runes. Did it three times now. I love Fo! 17:48:23 !lg bh / won v>0.1 17:48:25 12/1682 games for bh: N=12/1682 (0.71%) 17:48:26 !won . !boring recent 17:48:26 wheals: Op OTOH, is dead easy :) 17:48:27 wheals (!boring recent) has won 12 times in 419 games (2.86%): 1xCeHu 1xDgWn 1xDrTm 1xFeVM 1xGhVM 1xHuAr 1xKoBe 1xNaNe 1xOgAs 1xTrWr 1xVSCK 1xVpHu 17:48:32 !lg bh / won recent 17:48:33 3/1682 games for bh: N=3/1682 (0.18%) 17:48:38 v>0.1 ? 17:48:40 i keep standing around in clouds on op 17:48:43 what whas is v 17:48:44 very distressing 17:48:45 !kw v 17:48:45 er. I want version > 0.10 17:48:46 Built-in: v => place=~Vaults:* 17:48:51 or 0.12 17:48:52 huh 17:48:58 !won . 17:48:59 dpeg has won 25 times in 2266 games (1.10%): 2xDsNe 2xSpAs 1xDDHe 1xDEIE 1xDrVM 1xDsCK 1xDsEE 1xGEAE 1xHDGl 1xHOFE 1xMDFi 1xMDPa 1xMiMo 1xMiPr 1xNaCj 1xNaNe 1xOgFE 1xOgHu 1xOpHu 1xOpMo 1xOpVM 1xTeSt 1xTrMo 17:49:15 !lg dpeg won s=cls 17:49:17 25 games for dpeg (won): 3x Necromancer, 3x Monk, 2x Fire Elementalist, 2x Venom Mage, 2x Assassin, 2x Hunter, Stalker, Conjurer, Paladin, Earth Elementalist, Air Elementalist, Ice Elementalist, Fighter, Gladiator, Chaos Knight, Priest, Healer 17:49:21 !lg dpeg won s=god 17:49:21 25 games for dpeg (won): 4x Vehumet, 3x Sif Muna, 3x Gozag, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 2x Ashenzari, Beogh, Yredelemnul, Dithmenos, Lugonu, Fedhas, Xom, Okawaru, Zin, The Shining One, Cheibriados, Elyvilon 17:49:41 !greaterplayer dpeg 17:49:43 no Trog win, a shame 17:49:46 !lg dpeg won / playable 17:49:47 Unwon backgrounds for dpeg: Abyssal Knight, Arcane Marksman, Artificer, Berserker, Enchanter, Skald, Summoner, Transmuter, Wanderer, Warper, Wizard 17:49:47 18/25 games for dpeg (won): N=18/25 (72.00%) 17:49:48 !lg . won s=god !experimental 17:49:49 13 games for Bloax (won !experimental): 10x Cheibriados, Makhleb, Kikubaaqudgha, Trog 17:49:51 !lg dpeg won / !playable 17:49:53 7/25 games for dpeg (won): N=7/25 (28.00%) 17:49:53 oh quite a few 17:49:58 such variety 17:49:58 dpeg: nice percentage :) 17:50:08 !lg ramc / won 17:50:09 22/93 games for ramc: N=22/93 (23.66%) 17:50:11 what does !playable mean? 17:50:23 removed race/job 17:50:24 can it be played in trunk 17:50:35 !lg . won / !playable 17:50:36 4/31 games for gammafunk (won): N=4/31 (12.90%) 17:50:37 Bloax: I like how you keep the Chei banner up. It's fun to see the slow god trashed all the time, and then some players stick with her! 17:50:39 MarvinPA: we need better screenshots and a youtube video 17:50:50 A video should probably include highlights like Jory exploding 17:50:51 !lg * won / !playable o=% ?:N>10 17:50:51 thx 17:50:52 <|amethyst> !lg . won / !playable 17:50:53 No games for * (won). 17:50:53 oh, all those DK 17:50:54 2/2 games for |amethyst (won): N=2/2 (100.00%) 17:51:01 ????? 17:51:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:51:05 dpeg: i'm honestly not kidding when i say that chei is hilariously powerful 17:51:09 oh 17:51:13 !lg * won / !playable s=name o=% ?:N>10 17:51:13 <|amethyst> every win I've had has been nerfed to oblivion 17:51:15 1191/6108 games for * (won): 17/23x Cyrus [73.91%], 14/28x aurelian [50.00%], 18/40x Iaido [45.00%], 25/58x rob [43.10%], 21/51x cbus [41.18%], 51/131x Stabwound [38.93%], 16/43x Jeff [37.21%], 17/47x Pseudonut [36.17%], 13/36x doy [36.11%], 26/76x Tenaya [34.21%], 17/51x Grimm [33.33%], 26/84x heteroy [30.95%], 15/52x modargo [28.85%], 16/57x daftfad [28.07%], 18/65x xyblor [27.69%], 127/464x 782... 17:51:18 <|amethyst> first stalkers, now healers 17:51:29 hehe, doy doing pretty well too 17:51:29 Bloax: yes, I understand that you mean it. Makes it all the better! 17:51:37 !lg cyrus won s=race 17:51:38 23 games for cyrus (won): 8x Mountain Dwarf, 6x Hill Dwarf, Merfolk, Centaur, Troll, High Elf, Hill Orc, Demigod, Naga, Deep Elf, Spriggan 17:51:44 |amethyst: when I won, the species got cut. 17:51:52 <|amethyst> I guess my doesn't-count DDNe is still playable, but without twisted res I suck 17:52:30 |amethyst: what are you actually aiming for when you play? From what I've seen you're not actually concerned about winning too much 17:52:38 Kind of just casual tabbing and such? 17:52:45 dpeg: well it makes it all the better that people throw shit at chei when you consider just exactly what kind of person i am 17:52:54 some people don't really play much to win, I just figured you were in that group 17:52:58 what do they say about assumptions gammafunk... 17:53:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'm too impatient for roguelikes :) 17:53:04 there's got to be a reason! 17:53:18 i play for my own amusement 17:53:24 the LogicNinja of the devteam... 17:53:28 Bloax: yeah, I can relate. I also don't understand why some folks trash Mo so hard. I always like the gamble (I think it's very different mindsets). 17:53:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and I don't value early characters at all 17:53:41 avoiding death while staring it right in the eyes is the most fun part of crawl 17:53:45 !streak |amethyst 17:53:50 well dcss is a game that tests one's patience 17:53:52 especially when done repeatedly in a row 17:53:53 Neil has 2 wins, none consecutive, with a minimum of 810 games between wins. 17:54:00 !streak dpeg 17:54:03 dpeg has 2 consecutive wins (HDGl, GEAE; DEIE, DDHe; DsCK, SpAs). 17:54:08 Bloax: yes. We should have a function that guarantees almost-deaths -- that's what roguelikes are all about, imo. 17:54:13 half removed :P 17:54:15 -!- link_1081 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:23 !lg dpeg won dsck x=god 17:54:24 1. [god=Xom] dpeg the Wrestler (L27 DsCK of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-12-02 17:40:34, with 1392913 points after 113109 turns and 7:18:04. 17:54:29 ah, a good CK 17:54:33 it's a shame that the early game has none of the fun and even more of the splatting 17:54:56 !send dpeg shrikes 17:54:57 Sending shrikes to dpeg. 17:55:14 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55:40 one of my 2-rune Formicids died to a shrike, thankyouverymuch (still entirely my stupidity, I get noticeably worse after the midgame, all these unknown-to-me threats can do me in) 17:55:57 Bloax: I am making a new early portal vault for 0.17 17:56:04 not sure that'll help you 17:56:07 :O 17:56:18 i'm mostly bothered by xl2 adders 17:56:40 <|amethyst> dpeg: theme? 17:56:41 yes, I think new poison is slightly too harsh... but then again, who'd complain about dead players anyway? 17:56:44 but that's mostly a "some of the earliest monsters you see in the game are also the dodgiest" 17:56:50 issue 17:56:58 <|amethyst> dpeg: or is it a secret and you plan on making all the maps yourself? :) 17:57:01 dpeg: new kind of portal? or a vault for an early portal? 17:57:36 |amethyst: Oubliette for now: you enter and acquire an ally (either stumbling into a fight, or opening a "prison"), and then you have to tackle opposition that'd be (hopefully) too strong for either you or the ally alone. 17:58:08 gammafunk: early portal vault a la Sewer or Ossuary. I think these are great for everyone, especially non-winners. 17:58:27 This is using SUBVAULTS, but I will need help with monster composition. Will whine loudly when it's that time :) 17:58:56 <|amethyst> dpeg: free-the-circus-animal variant 17:59:39 with a dire elephant and klown?? 17:59:40 this has lots of opportunity for implicit story-telling (you free Pikel who's been imprisoned by humans, you free three sheep etc.) 17:59:41 <|amethyst> @?? black bear name:dancing n_adj n_des n_spe 17:59:41 dancing black bear (02h) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-33 | AC/EV: 2/8 | Dam: 9, 5, 5 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 127 | Sp: berserker rage [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:59:47 wheals: very early vault :) 18:00:05 A Killer Klown comes into view. You die... 18:00:08 black bear (02h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 6 | HP: 30-50 | AC/EV: 2/8 | Dam: 13, 7, 7 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 127 | Sp: berserker rage [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 18:00:08 %??black bear perm_ench:berserk 18:00:30 wheals: A Killer Klown comes into view. You die laughing. 18:00:33 great idea dpeg 18:00:39 <|amethyst> ogre perm_ench:inner_flame 18:00:41 <|amethyst> @??ogre perm_ench:inner_flame 18:00:41 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 19-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 118 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:01:06 n1k: I hope I can get the monster threats right, that's the hardest part. But it has to wait... got something started, then life interfered. Hopefully for 0.17! 18:01:36 bh: let me know if you're joining team lootfeel 18:02:03 gammafunk: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/teams.html has me in lootfeel 18:02:06 yep, you're all set 18:02:08 dpeg: by the way I've been writing up Gozag ideas while testing/reading the code...going to keep working on it before I post anything cohesive 18:02:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:16 you'll come in the last day and give us the clutch win 18:02:18 gammafunk: sure 18:02:19 I know it 18:02:21 n1k: cool, thanks! 18:02:39 feedback and ideas can only help 18:02:45 bh: ok, you're our no. 6 ringer 18:02:46 gammafunk: "# TEAMCAPTAIN gammafunk", right? 18:02:50 yep 18:02:56 first rc line 18:02:59 bh: any video needs to have some ioods flying around 18:03:03 orb card, maybe 18:03:19 <_miek> how often does the clans page update? 18:03:30 PleasingFungus: in some Elf:3 vault I managed some time ago to have IOODs go in circles. Oh the beauty. I shed a tear for kilobyte. 18:03:31 <|amethyst> dpeg: oh, that reminds me, chequers was looking into god wraths in general 18:03:36 <3 18:03:37 dpeg: there's a learndb entry for that 18:03:41 ??orbit of destruction 18:03:41 orbit of destruction[1/2]: http://i.imgur.com/0poexSU.gif 18:03:45 I love it so 18:03:56 PleasingFungus: YES! 18:04:00 pure beauty 18:04:02 * bh knows nothing about making videos 18:04:07 I made a video once 18:04:08 immediately makes Crawl the best roguelike in the world 18:04:12 it sucked and I don't want to do it again 18:04:32 hm, I wonder 18:04:33 I really should use that cloud glyph 18:04:57 need to steal tasonir's videos 18:05:21 -!- Ironfoot has quit [Client Quit] 18:05:37 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:02 gammafunk: ontoclouds are better 18:06:16 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-72-gd614ac0 (34) 18:06:27 _miek: it updates every time the scripts run (so every 7-10 minutes) for CSZO rcfiles, every 4 hours for other servers 18:06:39 ontoclasm: what are ontoclouds? 18:06:51 @ 18:06:55 ... 18:07:18 i have uniques on capital-I 18:07:20 ??☡ 18:07:20 chrisclouds[1/1]: ☡ 18:07:30 "artists" 18:07:34 ¤ 18:07:50 that was the one in the video 18:08:10 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:32 CanOfWorms: what do you get from Target if you run /mingw/bin/gcc -v 18:08:53 that's the gcc you got from msysgit 18:09:00 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:09:20 oh well 18:09:29 I'm fudging around really stupidly right now :v 18:09:41 x86_64-w64mingw32 18:09:46 I relocated the compiler properly 18:09:50 oh 18:09:53 now I need to relocate the includes 18:10:11 yeah I think you got a bit zealous about copying things and probably created some problems 18:10:36 but hey if it compiles in the end, that's all that matters 18:10:36 well I backed everything up :v 18:10:55 there's also an error you can get from something like dvec.h that requires another specific fix 18:11:08 but that's not the problem here I think 18:11:11 the best binary is one you compile without knowing how or why it works 18:11:29 crawl-mystery.exe 18:11:32 yeah right now I'm getting fatal error ctype.h 18:11:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:44 which I assume the compiler can't find a fundamental piece ofcode 18:12:02 that sounds like you're using the wrong architecture version of gcc 18:12:03 CanOfWorms: I think if you reinstall msysgit netinstall clean and then just follow the win-builds instructions you'd be fine 18:12:14 what should we use as background music for a crawl reel? 18:12:14 yeah I was wondering if you should be using 64bit 18:12:14 Mahler? 18:12:17 alright 18:12:21 i686 (the other one) is 32-bit 18:12:30 you can rerun the installer and choose that 18:13:07 Mahler seems v. not crawl backround music 18:13:09 maybe Wagner 18:13:51 <|amethyst> !lg abixa 18:13:52 157. abixa the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog), blasted by a frost giant (bolt of cold) on D:15 (hangedman_spin_cycle) on 2015-03-11 18:14:36, with 150052 points after 33552 turns and 3:17:02. 18:13:59 <|amethyst> !lg abixa s=src 18:14:00 157 games for abixa: 137x cxc, 20x clan 18:14:37 gammafunk: wagner has fascist overtones 18:14:49 gammafunk: eroica 18:16:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 18:16:27 delay steam for a version to add music to crawl proper 18:17:19 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:17:31 http://modarchive.org/index.php?query=54&request=search&search_type=genre pick one 18:17:31 Bloax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:17:34 !messages 18:17:34 (1/1) Ironfoot said (15m 15s ago): chei worshippers are not immune to slug slow, I actually wore a stasis amulet. 18:17:40 lol 18:18:01 http://lazerhawk.bandcamp.com/track/redline 18:19:43 <|amethyst> !tell Medar I think eksell doesn't know about the 0.16 milestones/logs 18:19:43 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 18:20:29 bh: that is true about Wagner (more anti-semitic than fascist, I'd say) but I don't think you see it in the art. This comes up regularly in Germany. I always suggest to burn his works, but people don't seem to like that. 18:23:24 ok I have MinGW installed, but no msys.bat file 18:23:38 although there is an msys folder but that bat file doesn't know what's going on 18:24:25 -!- Stornor has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:44 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:26:43 oh, I missed some instructions. 18:26:45 derp 18:28:38 http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=175956 what a nice module 18:28:57 eating up a massive 12214 bytes 18:29:11 dpeg: re: god wrath. do you think all wraths should have approximately the same lethality (excepting exceptions), or to be somewhat random, or to follow some heuristic? 18:29:40 people have suggested lethality should increase with the desire to switch away from a god and the utlity of gifts they give (read: anything useful post-worship) 18:29:56 -!- Eksell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:29 -!- Eksell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:43 -!- Eksell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:08 modland has a better selection than modarchive 18:31:14 -!- Eksell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:16 |amethyst: Thanks. Hopefully fixed now. 18:31:59 <_miek> I feel that lethality should also be proportional to how useful worshipping them was to your current point in the game 18:32:01 -!- olourkin1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:32:38 also it was made in august 2014 so your chances of contacting the authors is really good 18:32:42 dpeg: don't burn good music :( I agree that the man himself had those hateful tendencies 18:32:43 chequers: like _miek says, maximal piety should play a crucial role (if you leave while never having more than ** piety, that's not enough to ask for lethal wrath) 18:32:45 <_miek> for example Trog/Okawaru-> Makhleb/TSO is popular because you have big ass weapons (and armour) 18:32:45 <|amethyst> Medar: thanks 18:33:02 gammafunk: it was a joke b/c burning books is a favourite fascist pastime 18:33:08 haha 18:33:10 :^) 18:33:21 <|amethyst> Medar: just to verify, you don't have "abixa" in your bad-words file do you? 18:33:53 <_miek> while Yred is a less popular choice before going makhleb/TSO because you don't get to keep his gifts (and they're semi-temporary anyway) 18:33:53 track total piety earned with the god? 18:33:58 CanOfWorms: can also (or in addition) do that, yes 18:34:20 |amethyst: Haven't touched that, so don't think so. You mean .badusers? 18:34:49 <|amethyst> yeah 18:34:50 well even allowing that, there's the question of how equal wrath should be at the same piety level (probably max piety being of the utmost importance) 18:35:02 dpeg: so you think, for example, worshipping a god and immediately abandoning them should be relatively ignorable? 18:35:04 Yeah, nothing there. 18:35:09 <|amethyst> Medar: I didn't think you did, but he posted in tavern that he thought he was :) 18:35:10 <_miek> total piety too, I just think that Trog and Okawaru (and maybe Sif/Veh/Kiku) should be on the high side of wrath lethality 18:35:32 chequers: yes 18:35:36 how lethal is veh? I heard he throws firestorms at you? 18:35:43 he's pretty dangerous 18:35:52 used to be weaker, but pretty dangerous now 18:36:05 as context, the reason I started looking into this was Beogh and Ash will both straight up kill you, and they're quite dissimilar 18:36:06 chequers: want to make it easy for players to take on a god and leave again. Want to make it perhaps harder (on some gods) to do late switches. 18:36:16 dpeg: I'm fixing rot, btw. Healing will cure rot first and then repair damage 18:36:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:20 <|amethyst> veh does scale by XL 18:36:25 <|amethyst> const int severity = min(random_range(1 + you.experience_level / 5, 18:36:25 <|amethyst> 1 + you.experience_level / 3), 18:36:25 <|amethyst> 9); 18:36:31 flooder! 18:36:38 Bloax: if you want small mods: http://files.exotica.org.uk/modland/?file=pub/modules/Impulsetracker/Distance/sizehoay.it http://files.exotica.org.uk/modland/?file=pub/modules/Fasttracker%202/Lamb/farewell%20tears.xm 18:36:41 they all should do that now to some degree? or do not all have that 18:37:04 bh: I wouldn't call that "fixing rot", for reasons explained when this was last brought up 18:37:27 bh: you'll also have to make some other associated changes at the same time at least 18:37:32 elliptic: current rot is "hit 5 a bunch and decide if you're rotted enough to use !HW" 18:37:33 dpeg: thanks for your thoughts, I'll come back later with some more stuff 18:37:42 bh: you mean to use !curing, but yes 18:37:51 they both cure rot 18:37:57 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:38:03 yes, and !HW is far more valuable usually 18:38:06 the beogh thing was slightly misleading 18:38:09 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:38:16 !lg * max=sdam vmsg~~beogh 18:38:18 176. agentgt the Slayer (L26 HOWr of Beogh), smitten by Beogh on D:9 on 2014-02-19 18:50:19, with 561073 points after 86702 turns and 12:05:48. 18:38:19 !lg * max=sdam vmsg~~beogh x=sdam 18:38:20 176. [sdam=152] agentgt the Slayer (L26 HOWr of Beogh), smitten by Beogh on D:9 on 2014-02-19 18:50:19, with 561073 points after 86702 turns and 12:05:48. 18:38:21 !lg * max=sdam vmsg~~beogh x=dam 18:38:22 176. [dam=83] agentgt the Slayer (L26 HOWr of Beogh), smitten by Beogh on D:9 on 2014-02-19 18:50:19, with 561073 points after 86702 turns and 12:05:48. 18:38:30 "only" 83 to be expected now 18:38:47 bh: with your proposed change, rot will be "use curing when you get a chance to cure the 1 point of rot because you have 15 potions of curing and nothing else to do with them" 18:38:59 gammafunk: what is the directory that I'm supposed to supply for msys 18:38:59 bh: yes, I saw that. It's probably good. 18:38:59 the one that contains the .bat? 18:39:05 bh: this is an improvement over "press 5 and then ..." but it is still quite bad IMO 18:39:57 bh: maybe it would be okay if rot quantity is also increased, though you'd have to increase it by quite a lot to be significant because you are also increasing how much rot each potion of curing cures (as I understand it) 18:40:07 could rot be like stat drain, ie temporary? 18:40:12 (currently they cure 1-2 or something like that) 18:40:27 well stat drain is something we're going to change :) 18:40:39 chequers: I think it's good that rot is an effect using a consumable 18:40:44 chequers: maybe more like draining 18:40:52 e.g. wears off with xp gain 18:40:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:56 s/e.g./i.e./ 18:42:03 elliptic: right, we'll be able to use rot more liberally 18:42:18 curing heavy rot in lategame is significantly harder than curing bat muts, which seems backwards to me 18:42:24 bh: maybe doing something like "double current rot amounts and make 10 points of healing cure one point of rot" would be enough, I don't know 18:42:59 chequers: getting heavy rot is also significantly harder 18:43:00 -!- tingol3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:27 tomb? 18:43:32 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:39 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:20 tomb is <10 points of rot usually IME unless you are not paying attention to messages or the rot status 18:45:16 tomb is mostly stat damage if we're talking about annoying things 18:45:17 Bloax: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:45:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:28 ok 18:45:32 oh, gammafunk 18:45:36 I didn't even notice you leaving :( 18:45:48 I'm right about reinstalling win-builds 18:46:04 two important questions 18:46:28 when they say to specify the msys directory do they mean the win_builds folder, or the folder that contains the .bat file? 18:46:57 second question: is there a way to turn off the win-builds settings? I don't want to install everything D: 18:47:05 -!- coffee` has quit [Quit: coffee`] 18:47:15 they mean the path on your system where msys is installed, which is c:\msysgit by default if you installed used that, but if you just installed a standalone msys it's where you installed it 18:47:24 it sounded like you were just installing msys by itself? 18:47:42 they don't mean the win_builds folder, no 18:47:55 did you install msysgit or just plain msys? 18:48:30 CanOfWorms: aren't there checkboxes? 18:48:48 yeah the new installer does install a bunch of stuff that you don't need 18:48:53 by default anyhow 18:49:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:49:23 I think I just installed it all since I wasn't sure which of the packages you needed for the toolchain 18:49:48 fr, replace the CAO status message with '0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/' in ##crawl topic 18:50:13 <|amethyst> doh 18:50:15 chequers: ask rax about that, but I'm not sure how we've done that in the past 18:50:23 or maybe |amethyst can do it? 18:50:32 dpeg: disagree that wrath should scale with piety gained 18:50:52 <|amethyst> !tournament 18:50:52 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:55 <|amethyst> ??tourney 18:50:55 tournament[1/4]: The 0.16 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Mar 13 to 20:00 UTC Mar 29. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 18:51:00 it should be a significant decision to choose a god, not "eh, if I find the altar I really wanted a floor or two later, I'll only have * or **, so there'll be no wrath to speak of" 18:51:01 -!- MarvinPA changed the topic of ##crawl to: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | 0.16 Tournament: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 18:51:08 PleasingFungus: you think taking on a god and abandoning right away should incur the same wrath as leaving with XL 27? 18:51:14 <|amethyst> oh, marvinpa got to it first 18:51:16 that is not what I said. 18:51:20 ok! 18:51:20 piety gain is a really bad measure of how much you've benefitted from a god 18:51:48 for example, you get more benefit from fedhas at the first few stars than you do for the entire rest of the game 18:51:48 yeah that's true, think about fedhas 18:52:00 I am fine with counting abilities uses, or gifts, whatever. I think it should scale in some way. 18:52:32 It does scale in some way. 18:52:33 I still think it would be best if god wrath simply didn't expire, and you could only get rid of it by rejoining the god 18:53:03 minmay: that's one of those ideas that nrook likes to pitch, with a (slightly modified) version of ash's wrath as the template. 18:53:14 I'm undecided how I feel about it. 18:53:14 <_miek> gifts + ability uses seems like a good one 18:53:21 ??ashenzari wrath 18:53:21 ashenzari wrath[1/1]: -4 to all skills. Also boosts enemy AI: better pathfinding, they're more likely to target you when you're invisible, and they never forget about you. The wrath ends after you've gained two experience levels (or an equivalent amount of xp), not after a certain number of turns. 18:53:25 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 18:53:26 I actually think ash wrath specifically is gross in that system 18:53:37 ash should probably not permanently reduce all your skills by 4 in that system 18:53:43 <_miek> although beogh/yred gifts probably worth less than oka/trog gifts 18:53:47 yes, it would probably be some smaller number 18:53:57 this is the "slight modification" I mentioned 18:54:08 beogh/yred gifts are completely worthless in regards to abandonment since they instantly turn hostile 18:54:33 Bloax: so are abilities since you don't get to use them anymore; that's not what we're talking about 18:54:52 well in that case 18:54:59 they're probably worth more than oka/trog gifts 18:55:12 because since when do you use more than 10% of what those two give you 18:55:22 unless you're like, getting ammo gifts 18:55:44 <_miek> well it is and it isn't 18:55:51 how does wrath go now in terms of frequency? 18:55:58 <_miek> but that's the thing, some gods leave you with positive things after you abandon them 18:56:02 is it flat as long as the god is mad at you? 18:56:06 <_miek> others just leave you with the fact that you're still alive thanks to their help 18:56:13 i wonder, does the new win-builds install non-ancient perl 18:56:17 I guess frequency and severity 18:56:36 hrm 18:56:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:48 I don'tthink it has perl but let me check 18:57:07 _miek: I disagree that there is a real difference between keeping oka/trog/sif/kiku/veh gifts and keeping the monster kills/aliveness that you got from using abilities; I think it would be pretty awful to take away gifts on abandonment, for that reason 18:57:23 wheals: no perl 18:57:26 just pcre lib 18:57:35 (which we don't use) 18:57:48 well you probably could make it use that pcre just fine 18:58:02 http://win-builds.org/doku.php/1.5.0_packages 18:58:02 -!- tcsc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:58:19 if anything, I don't like yred/beogh/fedhas allies turning hostile, but I suppose that would stay for flavour reasons anyway 18:58:35 funny, sdl2 but none of the other sdl2 libs in there 18:58:54 maybe a lot of things use just the lib and not sdl2-image 18:59:17 you can compile not-tiles without sdl2-image, but not tiles without sdl2-image 18:59:27 ...that was probably a confusing sentence 18:59:36 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:59:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:56 yeah I got you. not-tiles really shouldn't require sdl2 at all I think 18:59:58 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00:04 minmay: idk, I can see the flavor for them staying pals 19:00:10 heretic followers of an apostate prophet! 19:00:16 such loyalty..... 19:00:20 I like you, PleasingFungus! 19:00:35 * PleasingFungus yells, "Look out for monsters!" 19:01:46 The crème de la crème of DCSS monster speech 19:01:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:03 gammafunk: it probably doesn't require sdl2 at all, but I am too lazy to check 19:02:26 yeah don't think it does 19:02:26 maybe for building rltiles? 19:02:33 er 19:02:34 well rltiles shouldn't get build 19:02:37 <_miek> minmay: Yeah don't get me wrong. I'm definitely not arguing for removing those gifts either. I just want the punishment to be slightly worse as a reaction to it. 19:02:37 that was libpng, i think 19:02:38 *built 19:02:39 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:42 PleasingFungus: yeah, and the undead slaves can be said to be enslaved to you not to yred. but I figure it won't get much traction so I don't bother 19:02:53 and yeah libpng doesn't depend on sdl 19:03:02 scaling punishment with gifts *along with ability usage* sounds fine to me, yes 19:03:05 Thanks for caustic shrikes! About time there is a notable reason to have rCorr away from Slime. 19:03:10 <_miek> although I am intrigued by the ideas of beogh/yred/fedhas leaving you with allies 19:03:17 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03:25 I'm retired, so can't take any action on it either way. 19:03:27 Way too controversial. 19:03:32 I just think gifts get a bunch of "reverse special pleading" that they don't deserve 19:03:38 PleasingFungus: isn't it great that a dev took initiative and found ways to spread acid damage more places??? 19:03:41 <_miek> and yes along wiht ability usage, but I'm also arguing that beogh/yred/fedhas gifts should be worth less than oka/trog gifts in this calculation 19:03:49 wheals: I don't know anything about that. 19:03:52 I don't know that there would be terribly a lot of resistance to the idea of retaining ally gifts tbh 19:04:01 but I'm not sure about perma-wrath 19:04:09 of course not, Lasty_ is the only person who would do something like that 19:04:13 I mean tbf wrath is already with you a long time 19:04:23 <_miek> if wrath was made worse to compensate then I doubt there'd be any more complaints than is usual for any big change 19:04:24 but I don't know how severity/frequency changes over time 19:04:53 It seems weird to me. Course, I guess 'perma-ally' gifts couldn't be expected to stay alive for terribly long anyways. 19:04:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 19:05:37 I don't mind about allies, although I will propose that Fedhas oklobs wither away (based on time) at some point. 19:05:55 i dunno, i mean think about it, if jesus started saying he was thor instead, i think a lot of people would have kept following him 19:06:04 dpeg: uh, I am *determined* to lure every enemy I can back to my Zot:5 oklob farm! 19:06:06 <+gammafunk> chequers: ask rax about that, but I'm not sure how we've done that in the past <-- i think any ##crawl oper can 19:06:18 chequers: rax is such a person and we are not :) 19:06:19 gammafunk: yes, gotta prevent that. Lure while you can! 19:06:24 gammafunk: anyway, i'm fairly sure that rltiles get built without TILES 19:06:31 ##crawl is kept seperate from ##crawl-dev 19:06:31 i think |amethyst has ops there? 19:06:35 yeah he might 19:06:36 <_miek> I think grunt has op in ##crawl too 19:06:42 he does 19:06:45 that's dangerous! 19:06:59 dpeg: well, Fedhas mushrooms would already wither away (because they lose HD when they attack), and Fedhas oklobs effectively wither away a bit after you finish clearing the level, since...they don't move 19:07:00 I do 19:07:01 but the point is the set of operators for the two isn't the same 19:07:03 noooooo 19:07:20 good luck today everyone with everything 19:07:22 wheals: yeah we should probably change that 19:08:14 twelwe: We'd like that there's no discussion of jlo or jlo's obviously great acting ability during the tournament because it's off-topic 19:08:20 I don't think Fedhas Oklobs 'withering away' would ever be relevant. even the summon has already become irrelevant or you are still in battle. In the later case...the abjuration timer is too short for such a use in the later. Meh, only way it'd be relevant again is something wanders into it and you get a nice 'you feel more experienced' message. 19:08:39 don`t worry i`m not discussing anything with anyone anymore 19:08:56 just sending general pleasantries is my thing now 19:09:09 gammafunk: what do you have against harry potter??? 19:09:19 see this is why it's verboten 19:09:52 i don`t even like jlo i just thought she was right once is all 19:11:02 I guess another question is: how lethal should wrath be anyway? 19:11:08 if there were a crawl movie who would you pick to play A. sigmund, B. duvessa, C. crimson imp 19:11:22 <_miek> duvessa 19:11:23 dead actresses or alive? 19:11:37 <_miek> oh I misunderstood the question 19:11:41 -!- Scytalen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:56 _miek: did you think he was asking who you would want to play? 19:12:11 A. prince harry B. jlo C. twelwe 19:12:16 pat steward, megan fox, jim carrey 19:12:17 <_miek> no who the main character would be 19:12:32 dpeg My best fedhas memory is growing 10 oklobs in a sealed room in Dis: $, then having them all blast Dispater while I threw javelins at him from behind. that was pretty awesome. Fedhas is currently the only ally god that's relevant in extended and is he ever. The best way to control how extremely powerful the oklobs are though...would be to make it so things actually resist acid though, probably Hellfire-like damage on everything i 19:12:43 _miek: the player would be sean bean 19:13:03 the joke is that he dies right. ha ha ha ha 19:13:52 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:15:33 <_miek> a) william dafoe b) jennifer lowrence (jlo) c) tyrion lannister 19:16:17 DaFoe? where? ... 19:17:01 its here. william dafoe is right here 19:17:52 Please no. Trilby save us! 19:18:31 -!- Sandman25 has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:39 * Bcadren still thinks Beogh is a weak joke of a god that's only kept around for flavour. 19:19:00 You zap a wand at William DaFoe. William DaFriend smiles at you. 19:20:21 ok, it looks like it's working??? 19:20:36 If only dealing wiht a murderous ghost was that easy... 19:21:01 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:22:45 hrm 19:25:47 oh. 19:25:53 include failed 19:26:19 CanOfWorms: did you do NO_PKGCONFIG=y? 19:26:20 Bcadren: people have completely different expectations and tastes 19:26:24 yes 19:26:30 I'm trying to compile tiles to doublecheck 19:26:34 hrm 19:26:48 er, compile console 19:26:52 not tiles :v 19:27:02 the png.h error is from tiles 19:27:03 you probably need to rebuild contribs 19:27:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:27:16 oh but you did a fresh install... 19:27:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:21 oh but maybe your source dir is the same 19:27:31 did you get a new source dir as well? 19:27:37 you might have old contribs 19:27:37 yes 19:27:41 you mean the crawl source? 19:27:44 yes 19:27:59 I did the git submodule --init thing? 19:28:13 or is this something different 19:28:26 well I'm asking did you get an entirely new crawl repo copy when you did the reinstall 19:28:30 I once wrote a whole big thing about acid and it's main points were 3 (moving rCorr to be a more relevant amulet [more monsters you'd use it against]; slight fedhas nerf [enemies actually have resistance, no Oklob == hellfire bolt]; high level poison magic [add to smallest spellschool]) 19:28:40 I made a new repo for 0.16 19:28:43 then I installed msys 19:29:01 *folder 19:29:06 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:29:29 fascinating 19:29:45 although I was very picky with the modules to install from win-builds since there's a lot of them 19:29:50 maybe I need to install more 19:29:55 no we give you libpng 19:29:58 in contribs 19:30:12 I think you should probably try to make contribs again 19:30:15 ok 19:30:23 try this 19:30:23 cd contrib 19:30:25 from source 19:30:29 yeah 19:30:43 and do: make clean NO_PKGCONFIG=y 19:30:56 and that's done 19:31:02 try to compile crawl now? 19:31:07 yeah go up to source 19:31:19 and do your make NO_PKGCONFIG=y TILES=y 19:31:32 derp 19:31:39 typo'd the NO_PKG 19:31:48 restart :v 19:31:49 yeah don't do that :) 19:32:01 sorry it's a pain, the makefile situation 19:32:10 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 19:32:13 romhacking is easier haha 19:32:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:37 is there a way to apply a custom autopickup for items if the base item has been enabled for autopickup in the '\' menu? 19:32:57 I blame....Pl...wh....Lasty! I blame Lasty ! 19:33:05 I DID IT. I CONFESS. 19:33:08 What'd I do? 19:33:23 made compilation of crawl kind of a pain because of our build system 19:33:26 for example, filtering out branded ammo when an ammo category is selected for autopickup 19:34:11 <|amethyst> no 19:34:14 <|amethyst> ??autopickup[5] 19:34:15 autopickup[5/5]: From lowest-priority to highest: autopickup (by symbol) option < autopickup_exceptions option < CLua add_autopickup_func < backslash menu < ctrl-a 19:34:31 |amethyst: thanks 19:34:32 hmm 19:34:45 rc-file can't use regexes for autopickup exceptions? 19:35:43 <|amethyst> it can, but \ overrides that 19:35:58 -!- link_1081 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:36:09 gammafunk: doesn't look like it worked 19:36:17 same png.h problem? 19:36:17 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:36:24 yeah 19:36:36 did it build libpng? 19:36:41 before it got to rltiles? 19:36:45 yeah 19:36:55 I... think? 19:37:13 yeah 19:37:14 well you'd see messages about libpng 19:37:15 rebuilding 19:37:28 ranlib 19:37:29 install 19:37:36 oh btw 19:37:39 gcc --version 19:37:46 4.8.3 19:37:46 we're sure we're on 4.8? 19:37:50 huh this is odd 19:37:54 there's something simple going wrong 19:42:08 <|amethyst> hm 19:42:33 <|amethyst> I don't see anything in the main Makefile to add the contrib libpng headers to the path 19:42:57 <|amethyst> oh never mind 19:43:13 <|amethyst> ifdef CONTRIBS 19:43:57 <|amethyst> unless it got installed into the wrong place under contrib/install/ 19:45:45 CanOfWorms: can you pastebin the full output from when you do make for us? 19:45:50 it might help us catch something 19:46:02 how do I output to a file? 19:46:33 <|amethyst> make blah 2>&1 | tee make.log 19:46:39 yeah that 19:46:44 blah being your usual make args 19:46:50 2>&1 ? 19:46:50 isn't that just |& 19:46:52 so the 2>&1 etc comes after 19:47:15 <|amethyst> dpeg: sorry, I speak Posix :P 19:47:24 haha 19:47:25 make TILES=y NO_PKGCONFIG=y 2>&1 | tee make.log 19:47:30 http://pastebin.com/wfffbDk8 this is the make clean NO_PKGCONFIG=y 19:47:31 CanOfWorms: and make.log in that dir 19:47:39 <|amethyst> err 19:48:22 I mean make.log is the file with the output in that dir 19:48:34 yeah, I figured 19:49:55 -!- sadger has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 19:51:09 http://pastebin.com/nrsBHSqK 19:51:11 the tiles log 19:52:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:53:09 er perl, command not found 19:53:09 <|amethyst> /bin/sh: perl: command not found 19:53:25 CanOfWorms: what install of msys did you use? 19:53:33 the one from the site in the INSTALL 19:53:34 did you use msysgit or official msys? 19:53:39 http://win-builds.org/1.5.0/msys-cygwin.html 19:53:44 ah, no 19:53:44 under 1.2 19:53:50 that's not msysgit 19:53:53 you need msysgit 19:54:01 the install doesn't tell you to install that 19:54:08 or maybe you don't know what I mean 19:54:19 but yeah I think you installed msys proper 19:54:23 which you don't want 19:54:27 you want the following: 19:54:41 https://github.com/msysgit/msysgit/releases/download/Git-1.9.5-preview20141217/msysGit-netinstall-1.9.5-preview20141217.exe 19:54:59 I already have an msysgit git folder from when I was messing around with 0.15 19:55:13 do I want to use that? 19:55:17 CanOfWorms: well you can run msys from there yeah but you need to install win-builds into it 19:55:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:55:22 it's its own dir 19:55:38 CanOfWorms: it should be ok, can you open it 19:55:42 and run perl --version 19:55:53 open what? 19:55:53 open the msys.bat 19:55:54 msysgit? 19:55:55 from that one 19:56:03 the msysgit 19:56:09 5.8.8 19:56:12 cool 19:56:17 that one has perl (and git and other stuff) 19:56:25 ok 19:56:32 you followed the win-builds item no. 1 (which install.txt tells you to skip) 19:56:40 (it assumes you're using msysgit) 19:56:46 ah 19:56:50 WINDOWS IS FUN FOLKS 19:57:25 :v 19:57:39 <|amethyst> someone should get msvc builds working again 19:57:45 <|amethyst> of course we still need perl... 19:57:54 so I should install win-builds directly into the msysgit folder? 19:58:02 CanOfWorms: yeah that's the idea 19:58:10 you run *that* msys 19:58:20 and when prompted your msys folder is c:\msysgit 19:58:29 ok 19:58:37 now to turn off most of the packages... again... 19:58:53 you chose the life of art! this is what you deserve! 19:59:05 :v 19:59:21 I do assembly hacking on the side!!! 19:59:47 probably the build systems you use are a bit simpler 20:00:02 well for hacking I literally push a button and magic happens 20:02:25 <<>> 20:02:48 basically 20:03:31 CanOfWorms: is it an easy button with leet on it instead? 20:03:44 it's a bat file 20:03:57 so I guess you could call it a batton 20:04:14 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:04:36 ok 20:04:40 everything looks promising so far 20:04:52 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:27 hmm 20:06:31 something happened with sdl2 20:06:43 < CanOfWorms> so I guess you could call it a batton <-- !glasses 20:06:52 -!- ghostter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:07:32 CanOfWorms: you'reusing that same c:\crawl16 source dir? you might need to make clean NO_PKGCONFIG=y in contrib agin 20:07:50 since the old contribs weren't built properly since stuff was missing 20:09:40 same error 20:09:43 let me pastebin it 20:10:01 http://pastebin.com/xHXFG1D5 20:10:25 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:11 CanOfWorms: gcc --version 20:11:22 4.8.3 20:11:23 <|amethyst> this error is missing ddraw.h etc 20:11:24 phew 20:19:57 oh 20:20:01 you're building the sound stuff 20:20:11 well maybe that's fine 20:20:43 hrm 20:23:18 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:29 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:15 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:26:40 -!- pat__ has quit [Client Quit] 20:32:56 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:22 -!- DrKe is now known as CrawlOnline 20:34:27 -!- CrawlOnline is now known as CrawlOnline|DrKe 20:35:36 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:39 -!- Philonous has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:38:01 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:34 -!- CrawlOnline|DrKe is now known as DrKe 20:42:55 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:49:41 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:58:01 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:05 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:55 ok so console crawl is compiling 21:00:03 oh wait no 21:00:07 rip 21:00:12 unrecognized -std=c++11 21:01:02 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:52 sure the gcc in use is 483? 21:05:50 CanOfWorms: yeah somehow it seems 21:05:54 you're building with old gcc 21:06:02 that's the only explanation for that and for that sdl error 21:06:07 hmm 21:06:23 i wish the crawl makefile didn't obscure the actual commands it runs 21:06:27 eah 21:06:30 oh 21:06:33 add V=1 21:06:35 gcc --version now reports 4.4.0 21:06:36 to the make command 21:06:39 der 21:06:49 orly 21:06:52 CanOfWorms: you have to run that command each time you start msys 21:06:56 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:56 to select the gcc 21:06:59 which one? 21:07:01 the source thing? 21:07:01 OR follow that step 21:07:13 V=1? 21:07:13 to permanently add it 21:07:13 no 21:07:32 "For step 3 of the instructions, start msys by running 'c:\msysgit\msys.bat', 21:07:35 and run the appropriate command out of the two given, based on the architecture 21:07:38 you used/determined in step 2." 21:07:41 step 3 of win-builds instructions 21:07:43 yeah 21:07:47 this is getting familiar 21:07:49 brb 21:07:52 "It's a good idea to follow step 4 of the instructions so that the Win-builds 21:07:55 version of GCC is selected every time you start MSYS." 21:09:12 -!- Esox has quit [Client Quit] 21:09:59 where do I put that command? 21:11:06 sorry? they give you the command to run 21:11:30 oh, the docs are diff. now aren't they 21:11:39 to make it permanent 21:11:45 let me doublecheck 21:11:47 example: echo 'source /opt/windows_32/bin/win-builds-switch >/dev/null' >> ~/.profile 21:11:54 yeah 21:11:55 but it depends which you'rerunning 21:12:00 -!- delizseemack has quit [Client Quit] 21:12:01 where do I put that, basically 21:12:01 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:06 it's a command 21:12:07 you run it 21:12:12 don't put it anywhere 21:12:18 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 21:12:18 ah 21:12:29 (run it in msysgit) 21:12:33 elliptic: ping 21:12:41 ??cszo 21:12:41 cszo[1/4]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa". In case of DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org. Also has webtiles at http://crawl.s-z.org/. 21:12:49 ah, there we go 21:12:53 CanOfWorms: but I'm not sure which gcc you're using, do you use the 64-bit one? 21:12:57 wait, does elliptic look after cszo? it's down 21:13:01 32 21:13:05 ok then that's it 21:13:10 |amethyst looks after it 21:13:15 but he's not here right now 21:13:40 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:52 -!- Gamesmaster1965 has quit [Client Quit] 21:14:25 http://pastebin.com/ZXMAUmPE 21:14:27 weird one 21:14:39 {standard input}:1663: Error: expecting string instruction after `rep' 21:14:40 make[2]: *** [pcre_compile.o] Error 1 21:14:53 CanOfWorms: try that clean in the contribs 21:14:59 I did 21:15:04 I'll try it again 21:15:08 !tell |amethyst looks like cszo is down . . . 21:15:08 Lasty: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 21:15:36 still happens 21:15:44 that's really weird 21:16:34 aha 21:16:49 let's see if this overflow fix works 21:17:11 yes 21:17:13 yes it does 21:17:17 needed to install binutils 21:17:32 oh you disabled stuff 21:17:36 yeah 21:17:37 in win-builds 21:17:47 yeah you don't want to disable packages where you don't know what they do 21:18:08 well, once this works I can give a list of what packages I used :v 21:18:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:21 do I really need qt 21:18:27 you don't need qt no 21:18:32 exactly :v 21:18:35 well 21:18:37 you kind of need 21:18:39 ....binutils 21:18:40 don't you 21:18:46 qt is 120 MB though 21:18:53 that's like 21:18:56 half an episode of tv 21:19:02 sure, if the package seems really weird and big, that's fine 21:19:03 !isonline cszo 21:19:05 26 minutes, 11 seconds since last activity (cszo) 21:19:15 but don't disable the small ones that sounds fundamental 21:19:25 I can't do much with a culled list since who knows if that package list changes 21:19:38 we might be able to define a minimal set I guess 21:19:39 I guess |amethyst got disconnected from IRC at the same time that cszo went down 21:19:45 yeah I noticed that 21:20:02 are we under attack? 21:20:04 ominous. 21:20:11 maybe, twelwe. 21:20:17 I can't reach dobrazupa either 21:20:19 for safety we should take the cyanide pills now 21:20:20 nethack dev team has awoken! 21:20:29 ynoxinuls are spamming the server with ufetubi requests 21:20:34 hopefully just a network blip that will go away before tourney time 21:20:49 anyway 21:20:51 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nethack R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! 21:20:52 all the contribs compiled 21:21:00 and it's partway through the actual source code now 21:21:06 so I assume there probably won't be any more issues 21:21:23 although this is console so maybe tiles will be an issue... 21:22:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24:53 they've totaly changed their docs again, so the INSTALL.txt ends up being confusing 21:25:19 -!- mineral is now known as read 21:25:49 have to update that 21:27:22 the first compile is always the longest 21:27:34 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:40 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:49 I guess I should code in the stuff I wanted to add to my own project 21:29:34 artists?! writing code?! What's next, demons and holies living together?! 21:29:49 mass hysteria 21:29:59 nicolae-: glad you got that reference 21:32:24 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:32:54 fr rod of ghostbusting, damage to insubstantial undead 21:33:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:57 makes hungly ghosts friendly 21:34:00 *hungry 21:38:21 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:42:10 cszo is back up 21:42:30 I better get prorated in my monthly bill for the downtime though 21:42:37 welcome to ten minutes ago :rolleyes: 21:42:42 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:05 alright, looks like tiles is working 21:43:09 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:15 next you`re going to tell me about the star wars frozen crossover sequel 21:43:15 no errors with contribs 21:43:24 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:06 hey you guys wanna hear something cool i just found out i can bend my thumb and make it look like a highheel shoe 21:44:24 look twelwe in other forums I'm the most on point and relevant it's just here where I'm driven to distraction because this is a casual space 21:44:28 twelwe: cool. we'll implement it. How much MP should it take? 21:44:28 i'm gonna need to see a picture before i agree if that's cool 21:44:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:59 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:45:06 use some imagination 21:45:23 i`ll try 21:46:40 CanOfWorms: I assume you also ran crawl to see if it works 21:47:08 still waiting for it to finish :v 21:47:13 ah ok 21:47:49 gammafunk: just out of curiosity what item name did you fix in alphashops 21:47:53 gammafunk: i've written code! 21:47:54 also, since this image was sitting in my browser: http://i.imgur.com/jp3vtik.png 21:48:21 ontoclasm: yeah those plastic magnets you aligned on your refridgerator to spell "paint" are real cool code, ontoclasm 21:48:34 s/, ontoclasm// 21:48:44 sorry, still going for dunk of the month here 21:48:55 nicolae-: I can do this with my fingers http://i.imgur.com/dis08Km.jpg 21:49:03 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:10 I can sort of do that 21:49:11 nicolae-: well, you could compare my patch in the branch to your patch! 21:49:14 the top part isn't as bent 21:49:18 neat 21:49:20 my brother can do that 21:49:40 well, i'm not sure you actually changed anything in your branch 21:49:41 i would take a pic but i havent had a pedicure today 21:49:50 that is really bizarre minmay and you need to see a doctor 21:49:54 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:59 Just ignore the last two fingers, I wasn't paying attention to them 21:50:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:50:15 hey you got that same shit acer that i got 21:50:15 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:31 the minmaean handra 21:50:46 new unique of the abyss 21:51:05 a speed 9 melee monster obviously 21:51:10 with tentacles 21:51:20 gammafunk: I guess we are still waiting for geekosaur and/or nap.kin? 21:51:45 the minmaean hydra will help you destroy enemies that minmay doesn't like but is immune to spells he hates 21:51:45 elliptic: yeah, I have the source package and can make the windows one, but I don't know if I have rights to edit web content on cdo 21:51:53 and the debs are almost done 21:53:00 I don't know what all other things we need to update: binaries on cdo, source packages to sourceforge, update the cdo download html, apt repo (I'll do), PF wanted to do release announcement 21:53:08 elliptic: is there anything you're waiting on? 21:53:08 the minmaean hydra wears a +8 ring of slaying on each of its heads 21:53:46 do we have a style opinion on passing mundane arguments by reference and mutating them? 21:54:39 -!- SirSamVimes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55:00 gammafunk: having a release announcement before tourney seems like a good idea, aside from that having 0.16 on CDO/CWZ would be nice but isn't critical as discussed earlier 21:55:30 yeah nap.kin will do cdo, I'm sure, for cwz who knows 21:56:10 I'm not sure if .kin will have time to update the download page tonight; I'll check if I have access 21:56:44 I have to finish my part tonight since I'll not be available tomorrow until after tourney starts 21:57:21 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:57:28 hahaha the crawl compile failed because of my code 21:57:31 that's great 21:57:34 time to fix that 21:58:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:17 forget if ccache is available on msysgit 21:58:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:18 the compiler is skipping the stuff it compiled last attempt, if that's what you mean 22:00:34 the object files are presumably still around 22:00:46 ccache does something different 22:00:51 ah 22:01:02 that's just normal make functionality 22:01:13 huh. 22:01:26 no git, and util/release_ver doesn't exist 22:01:48 if you run git 22:01:52 from the command-line 22:01:56 doesn't work? 22:02:06 what do you mean? 22:02:14 run the command: git 22:02:16 I can load up git bash 22:02:19 yeah 22:02:21 git bash? 22:02:23 git doesn't work from msys 22:02:24 what do you mean by that 22:02:29 well that's an issue 22:02:31 the git stuff I have is separate 22:02:38 CanOfWorms: how did you install git 22:02:54 i guess you should add your git file location to $PATH 22:02:54 I don't remember, it's been a while 22:02:58 msysgit is your msys, CanOfWorms 22:03:04 msysgit includes git 22:03:18 so I'm confused when you talk about git bash 22:03:29 msyggit = msys + git + other stuff for building 22:03:42 *msysgit 22:03:46 have you tried throwing out your computer and starting over 22:04:11 so if you start the msysgit msys 22:04:15 and run the command "git" 22:04:20 oh yeah, the bat always tells me my build failed and I need to fix it 22:04:24 you def. should see something other than a command not found message 22:04:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:04:28 -!- Spaisebawt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:35 the bat? 22:04:38 msys.bat 22:04:41 when I load it up 22:04:57 is this msys.bat the one in c:\msysgit 22:04:59 or another one 22:05:04 the one in my msys folder 22:05:12 c:\msys ? 22:05:17 er, msysgit 22:05:24 it's the one I use for compiling stuff 22:05:27 yes 22:05:35 so when you run that bat 22:05:40 and are in the shell 22:05:43 http://puu.sh/gy2Wl/4fec70333c.png 22:05:45 this message 22:05:47 does running the command "git" 22:05:47 work 22:05:50 no 22:05:57 http://puu.sh/gy2Xy/d55baff46a.png 22:06:26 i don't think you installed the right thing 22:06:42 gammafunk: while you're here, you left a test weight in nicolae_arrival_washed_ashore 22:06:47 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:49 nicolae-: oh sorry 22:06:50 I installed msysgit around 0.15 22:06:58 it worked? 22:07:01 i will never forgive you 22:07:13 I guess that's finally biting me in the ass 22:07:24 CanOfWorms: well that error is from you doing something other than building crawl 22:07:42 I'm just perhplexed as to how you could not have the git command 22:07:57 what happens when you run e.g. "git --version" 22:08:01 from the msysgit shell? 22:08:03 it's something along the line of multiple git installations 22:08:08 same thing 22:08:10 how did you even download the repo 22:08:11 doesn't recognize git 22:08:24 I used a separate git 22:08:28 ...so why not just add that to the $PATH? 22:08:37 how do I do that? 22:08:49 let's not go customizing CanOfWorms's install any further, please 22:08:58 ok, yeah, or you could nuke everything 22:09:00 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty] 22:09:02 probably a better idea 22:09:26 I don't remember how I got msysgit onto this computer other than not following the install.txt link 22:09:29 depending on your internet speed 22:09:29 has MarvinPA popped around recently, i should ask him about vault dryads 22:09:36 maybe 22:09:40 !seen marvinpa 22:09:40 I last saw MarvinPA at Thu Mar 12 23:56:44 2015 UTC (3h 12m 56s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'. 22:09:48 he quit AND left 22:10:01 so probably not coming back for a long time... 22:10:05 (ie 12 hours) 22:10:17 it's sort of late in the UK 22:10:19 !lg * quitting leaving 22:10:20 No games for * (quitting leaving). 22:10:22 yeah 22:10:27 how did he manage that 22:10:29 CanOfWorms: that error that you showed me, what command did you run to produce it? 22:10:32 !tell MarvinPA hello. i was told you were the one to ask about re: whether it was okay to put a dryad in a swamp vault. lives hang in the balance. thank you. - nicolae 22:10:32 nicolae-: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 22:10:37 the png 22:10:47 which one? 22:10:52 dryads still exist?? 22:10:54 http://puu.sh/gy2Wl/4fec70333c.png 22:10:57 elliptic: spell 22:11:00 nothing 22:11:01 they usually only appear with summon forest 22:11:03 a friendly one 22:11:04 that's the start up message 22:11:05 elliptic: I vetoed using drayds in that vault 22:11:11 *dryads 22:11:13 oh right, simmarine's favorite spell 22:11:15 !veto gammafunk 22:11:17 i'm going above gammafunk's head 22:11:18 hi 22:11:18 hm 22:11:29 CanOfWorms: ok, that makes sense, at least 22:11:32 simmarine: what do you think about dryads in a swamp vault 22:11:34 oh 22:11:37 is that a thing 22:11:37 CanOfWorms: oh 22:11:39 actually 22:11:43 as someone who sees dryads 22:11:43 mostly i just want to know if it's okay or not so i can fix it up one way or another when i add loot later 22:11:45 wait, that's like the install 22:11:51 i only see them when i cast the spell 22:11:57 i wasnt aware they were in a vault 22:11:58 CanOfWorms: hold on, let me check something 22:12:03 simmarine: they aren't (yet) 22:12:06 they're not, yet 22:12:22 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:12:48 well i would assume marvinpa would not approve of that. that's why you ask hangedman instead 22:13:05 !seen hangedman 22:13:06 I last saw hangedman at Sat May 10 12:44:57 2014 UTC (43w 5d 14h 28m 9s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 22:13:10 mm 22:13:14 not a year yet 22:13:16 !seen thetower 22:13:16 I last saw theTower at Tue Mar 10 21:26:31 2015 UTC (2d 5h 46m 45s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 22:13:30 yeah he comes on for 10s most days 22:13:37 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:47 !seen tenofswords 22:13:48 I last saw tenofswords at Tue Apr 15 21:10:42 2014 UTC (47w 2d 6h 3m 5s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 22:13:53 CanOfWorms: so when you run C:\msysgit\msys.bat, you get that startup message, with it trying to do some kind of make? 22:14:02 the error message in that png? 22:14:07 i bet if grunt had been the one to get around to commiting my vaults there'd still be a dryad. curse my rotten luck. 22:14:28 yeah, that message appears 22:14:33 there's some more stuff after it 22:14:48 http://puu.sh/gy3ua/1936b46940.png 22:14:56 it's weird because that looks like an installation message, like it didn't fully install or something 22:14:58 oh yeah 22:15:19 you were supposed to use the netinstall, not the fullinstall 22:15:27 though both are gone these days 22:15:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:55 CanOfWorms: but building crawl in this msysgit shell worked, right? 22:16:00 it's just that git is available 22:16:01 yeah, 0.15 worked 22:16:03 gammafunk: yo 22:16:08 CanOfWorms: no, I mean 0.16 22:16:09 binaries? 22:16:13 building 0.16, what you just did 22:16:17 0.16 stopped at build.h 22:16:21 PleasingFungus: hold up I'm dealing with the artists 22:16:21 with that error message 22:16:32 CanOfWorms: er...then what msys *did* you build crawl in? 22:16:35 let me check if an .exe was spat out (although I didn't see a LINK message) 22:16:46 msysgit 22:16:47 ah, it almost built, right 22:16:54 ok, so it got till the end then failed 22:16:54 nope, no exe 22:16:56 ok we're good 22:16:57 yeah 22:17:05 ok, what you need to do I think 22:17:13 because you have a not fully installed msysgit is 22:17:16 1) 22:17:18 it sounds like I need to reconnect git to msysgit 22:17:30 gammafunk: 22:17:50 CanOfWorms: well you can try things but one thing that will def. work is 1) delete c:\msysgit entirely, install https://github.com/msysgit/msysgit/releases/download/Git-1.9.5-preview20141217/msysGit-netinstall-1.9.5-preview20141217.exe 22:17:54 to c:\msysgit 22:18:08 set up win-builds (don't disable binutils ofc) 22:18:18 ok 22:18:20 I fixed it 22:18:24 alright 22:18:25 and delete the other place you installed git too, since it will be redundant? 22:18:27 I copied git.exe to the bin folder 22:18:30 :v 22:18:35 ....well 22:18:35 that's not 22:18:39 it's a bunch of commands 22:18:48 gammafunk: artists, amirite 22:18:50 maybe they're all procelainn 22:18:56 wheals: windows, amirite 22:19:06 03bh02 07[rotten] * 0.17-a0-67-g967ff7e: Simply unrot_hp 10(64 seconds ago, 3 files, 13+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=967ff7e84c8e 22:19:07 ugh 22:19:17 i can't believe i actually put up with a decade-old OS every day 22:19:19 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:19:37 sorry about all the trouble :v 22:19:41 CanOfWorms: that's possibly goinng to cause issues, but anyhow if you strugly any more I'd suggests a proper msysgit install, since git itself being missing is v. weird 22:19:47 yeah 22:19:47 *struggle 22:19:52 sorry this keyboard is terrible 22:20:02 anyway the build... works! 22:20:04 :toot: 22:20:07 cool 22:20:12 now all I need to do is turn off fullscreen 22:20:17 I forgot the rc set that on by default 22:20:30 if you get any weird issues when running git though (which you might) just be aware that a reinstall may be the solution 22:20:38 since you'll need to check out stuff, make commits etc 22:20:42 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:50 but maybe the bin was the only problem (somehow) 22:21:16 PleasingFungus: not sure when Napkin will be able to make windows stuff, I don't have access to cdo website 22:21:21 ok 22:21:23 do we have os x 22:21:40 crap, where does the game store the rc data 22:22:01 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:22:07 PleasingFungus: I asked geekosaur but he hasn't responded, I know he can make them (and presumably sign them) ook 22:22:11 init.txt? 22:22:14 I need to compare 22:22:18 CanOfWorms: default is settings/init.txt 22:22:24 settings is above source 22:22:26 ah, I see 22:22:33 it's because 0.16 dropped all that commented stuff 22:22:39 gammafunk: probably doesn't make sense to announce release yet, then 22:22:44 I was used to 0.15 having every typed out and commented 22:22:55 nicolae-: jokes on you, gammafunk is 5.7 miles tall 22:22:58 PleasingFungus: yeah the only problem is that I'm not avail tomorrow till after tour starts 22:23:07 gammafunk, tall as the corn grows high 22:23:29 PleasingFungus: but Napkin can do all the changes 22:23:56 worse case scenario we don't make the announce until tomorrow evening, but that's not a big deal 22:24:00 tournament is still fine 22:24:01 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:24:13 cdo and cwz are missing, but napkin will set up cdo and who knows about cwz 22:24:33 beware the korea cost... 22:25:08 maybe the ping to lld is good there though 22:25:22 oh! 22:25:24 hong isplaying 22:25:25 ! 22:25:39 I'm going to troll him 22:25:42 if this loads 22:25:43 alright, time to actually fix the trj code 22:25:49 imo bring tileschat there 22:26:13 ok the issue is 22:26:20 mon is const monster_info& 22:26:40 I need const monster* to feed into _get_damage_level 22:27:05 I'd also like the release to wait for the website update, which required npkin, who doesn't seem to be available yet 22:27:22 I got "can't promise anything yet" 12hrs ago 22:27:34 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:43 chequers: well the tournament is tomorrow afternoon and there's just a priority to get the release itself up in time for that 22:27:44 CanOfWorms: no, monster_info already has a mon_dam_level_type dam field 22:27:51 ah 22:28:00 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.1/20150305021524]] 22:28:11 basically, get_damage_level got called when the monster_info was made 22:28:31 so I just need mon.mon_dam_level_type 22:28:46 gammafunk: yeah clearly that > website 22:28:46 mon.dam, mon_dam_level_type is the type of mon.dam 22:28:54 oh 22:28:55 i was being ambiguous :) 22:28:57 hong is responding! 22:29:07 ! 22:29:19 ! 22:29:22 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:29:31 ? 22:30:28 "go away i need another beogh win" 22:30:55 yessss 22:30:56 elliptic: how do you get the logfile from cwz currently 22:30:57 the code works 22:31:04 I'm chatting with hong now 22:31:18 CanOfWorms: what are you coding? 22:31:23 http://puu.sh/gy4r9/b1a81c6080.png 22:31:41 ontoclasm: royal jelly tile can update based on damage 22:31:46 * bh wonders if the dungeoncrawl.org guy is willing to... 22:31:58 eh. Hoping for him to update his page to have any modern information is asking a bit much 22:32:01 well hong is going to hopefully set up cwz 22:32:04 http://puu.sh/gy4tH/5a47b7e958.png 22:32:11 do I get overtime pay for this? feels like I should 22:32:14 hmm, for some reason the royal jelly isn't spitting out jellies 22:32:41 gamma: I'll send you a check for $0.27 22:32:42 gammafunk: double your usual pay 22:32:45 CanOfWorms: would be cool to add that to other monsters. when you hit them with a sword, red lines appear, when youre a centaur and kick them with hooves they grab their crotches in pain 22:33:03 that would be tough to code, probably 22:33:12 someone, who's not me, should run my zombie tile generator 22:33:14 (I'm assuming every time you kick with hooves its a kick to the balls, because thats the only explanation for it ignoring AC) 22:33:29 bh: ? 22:34:14 CanOfWorms: util/generate_zombie_tile.sh 22:34:36 it uses imagemagick to zombify any tile 22:34:59 uh 22:35:05 this is odd 22:35:07 !tell elliptic Against all odds, I found hong playing online and told him about 0.16, which he's going to set up, but I'm not sure if he knows about setting up the logfile, nor do I know where sequell currently gets it for cwz 22:35:08 gammafunk: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 22:35:20 the royal jelly isn't spawning jellies 22:35:26 this is without my modification 22:35:46 does he not spawn jellies in wizmode? 22:35:51 yes it would 22:36:17 are you sure it's unmodified? 22:36:23 e.g. 22:36:25 git status 22:36:29 what does that report 22:36:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:36:55 the only modifications I made should be in the tilepick file 22:37:01 and let me check 22:37:07 yeah git status will tell you 22:37:19 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37:59 how long does it take for git status to run? 22:38:15 yeah 22:38:16 gammafunk: sequell gets milestones directly from cwz so it just needs a little update from gr*snark to work (same as all servers) 22:38:17 http://puu.sh/gy4PF/9780bc2f46.png 22:38:23 just tilepick and misc stuff 22:38:44 chequers: well I know it gets them from cwz, by my question I meant which url 22:38:49 since hong didn't seem to know 22:39:13 /0.16/milestones afaict 22:39:17 see config/sources.yml in dcss_sequell repo 22:40:02 chequers: no...there's a url for each server that can be different 22:40:10 the base url can anyhow 22:40:27 anyways elliptic can see what that url is 22:40:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:41:27 CanOfWorms: yeah that shows your modifications 22:41:37 CanOfWorms: what I'd recomment is either git stash those 22:41:49 or commit to a branch 22:42:12 and then checkout master and build master 22:42:14 ok, I see the problem 22:42:27 apparently a 5x5 room is too small for trj 22:42:49 well it should have made jellies in that room 22:43:05 it's small but it'd still make jellies there 22:43:08 I moved out of the room and jellies spawned in an open area 22:43:18 yeah it shouldn't just not spawn jellies though 22:43:29 5x5 is plenty for spawning jellies to fill that space 22:44:02 http://puu.sh/gy5aa/f39e8877b9.png 22:44:07 is there anything special about this room? 22:44:13 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:44:23 no shouldn't be 22:44:34 -!- digitalfist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:44:34 you should get some J spawns 22:44:34 nothing 22:44:42 that screen is right after instabbing it 22:44:50 oh wait 22:44:59 could it be because it's an entrance vault with no monster spawn? 22:45:06 because it's D:1 22:45:12 hrm... 22:45:16 that's possible 22:45:27 because of how they're flagged 22:45:49 find antoher smallish room not in that vault to test 22:45:58 you can &ctrl-R to regen the level etc 22:46:05 but yeah that's plausible 22:46:37 http://puu.sh/gy5jj/50e4365ecb.png 22:46:45 much smaller but still spawns 22:47:06 gammafunk: I mean, this URL works http://webzook.net:82/0.15/milestones 22:47:28 anyway 22:47:30 the code works! 22:47:38 the tile one, I mean. 22:48:02 http://puu.sh/gy5nR/f05eea0b81.png 22:48:04 hee 22:48:12 chequers: yeah, that's the one I need, but the base url is different on different servers 22:48:29 that blue jelly tile is nice 22:48:36 chequers: e.g. http://dobrazupa.org/meta/ 22:48:46 but yeah that's the url I needed 22:49:00 hopefully hong can remember how to set that up in apache etc 22:49:07 and patch made 22:49:09 :toot: 22:50:35 gammafunk: http://webzook.net:82/0.15/ is where 0.15 logfile/milestone is 22:50:36 elliptic: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:51:01 yeah, hopefully hong will set that up when he gets 0.16 working 22:51:43 he's taken webtiles offline,so presumably he's working on it now 22:51:44 gammafunk: I haven't been able to find CWZ rcfiles though, even for 0.15... only necessary for clan registration of course 22:51:55 ah 22:52:09 but that might be more complicated for him to set up 22:52:24 yeah might be 22:52:42 uh 22:52:45 hrm, would be kind of lame for those players not to be able to make clans but 22:52:51 does the patch include the tiles or do I need to add those to 22:52:54 elliptic: is there a way to see if e.g. there's a clan defined on lld 22:52:55 and do I put it in a zip? 22:53:04 CanOfWorms: you add the tiles with git add 22:53:16 you can add any kind of file or directory that way 22:53:22 gammafunk: yeah, they would have to register on some other server and edit the rcfile there to make a clan 22:53:25 and then yeah it'll get included in any patch you make 22:53:40 elliptic: is that also true for lld, as in you don't have rcs for them? 22:53:40 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:53:46 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:53:46 no, I have rcs there 22:53:57 elliptic: any lld clans defined at this point? not sure if you can check 22:54:02 what wouuld the line be for that? 22:54:07 everywhere else should be fine (well, cdo needs 0.16) 22:54:19 I can grep for it, one second 22:54:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55:11 CanOfWorms: the line? to add files to the stagging area, you run "git add then when you make a commit, that change will be in the commit 22:55:37 s// as in the actual filename 22:55:45 so rltiles/mon/blah.png 22:55:51 whatever tiles you made 22:56:05 probably just do this for each tile you added 22:56:06 got it 22:56:14 gammafunk: there's one captain and one non-captain (with a different captain) 22:56:16 then when you run git status 22:56:32 gammafunk: so at least two teams so far, and of course people have over a week to set things up 22:56:33 elliptic: well that's cool, we have some clans from not US and Europe 22:57:19 CanOfWorms: when you run git status, you'll see all changes to go in the commit, and git commit will only add things in this list unless you do git commit -a 22:58:28 you can also do git add -A 22:58:33 to add everything you've changed 22:58:40 yeah but that's dangerous (a bit) 22:58:46 you might add random files 22:59:00 yeah, be sure to check afterwards that it added what you want 22:59:34 i have a script that runs git add -A, optimize-pngs, git add -A, git status 22:59:52 since i found myself typing that a billion times over 23:00:39 do you need that first git add -A? 23:00:57 since you're changing the pngs with optimize-pngs anyhow 23:01:13 I'm ahead of origin/master by 5 commits and 23:01:17 " Posting again to mention (I'm not sure if this is new) that in .16 sometimes your health bar will not update upon rejoining a game. Be sure you aren't actually getting hurt but not noticing it and lose a 15-rune powerhouse character like I did today! " 23:01:19 this sounds like a bug 23:01:26 I can't commit anymore or something? 23:01:41 can't commit anymore? 23:01:44 gammafunk: optimize-pngs runs on the stuff you have staged 23:01:51 ah, I see 23:02:05 and, by changing it, unstaged it again 23:02:12 if I try git commit -am "blah" 23:02:12 unstages* 23:02:18 it tells me that 23:02:35 well it doesn't unstage it! *pushes up nerd glasses* it stages the changes! 23:02:40 and based on the patch I get the changes didn't go through 23:03:04 your patch was probably made inncorrectly 23:03:08 how did you make the patch? 23:03:09 the patch has the make.logs <_<; 23:03:20 yeah git add -A will do stuff like that 23:03:23 git format-patch origin/master --stdout > 23:03:41 CanOfWorms: if you do git log 23:03:48 do you see that commit with these missing changes? 23:03:52 it should show up as the top commit 23:03:55 fwiw, just git format-patch origin/master will write each patch to its own file 23:04:05 rather than redirecting yourself into a single mammoth 23:04:10 the most recent commit is from 7 minutes ago 23:04:24 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04:29 well...are you saying it's not the most recent commit, or? 23:04:33 nope 23:04:35 I don't know what 7 minutes ago was 23:04:44 yeah so your commit didn't happen 23:04:55 when you did git commit -am "blah", what was the result 23:04:56 how do I leave the log 23:05:01 q 23:05:02 the 5 ahead thing 23:05:10 yeah q 23:05:10 hm 23:05:29 well it had to say more than just 5 ahead but 23:05:35 CanOfWorms: what does git status say 23:05:54 http://puu.sh/gy6uR/75d5fa6037.png 23:05:56 er 23:06:02 actually yeah git status also gives that message 23:06:17 nothing to commit 23:06:26 implying you don'thave any changes 23:06:38 but when I make the patch, the make.log file appears 23:06:40 CanOfWorms: also, see that ps1 message 23:06:50 that tells me your git is borked 23:06:55 yeah 23:07:00 BORKED 23:07:03 :v 23:07:41 oh wait 23:07:48 when you make the patch, the make.log file appears..what do you mean by that 23:07:56 that make.log file is probably from the other end 23:07:58 not mine 23:07:58 it appears in the patch? 23:08:00 yes 23:08:08 because I deleted the make.log files on my end 23:08:21 CanOfWorms: well you commited make.log at some point 23:08:40 you'll have to rebase your commit to remove it 23:09:02 git rebase? 23:09:12 you need to see which commit has it 23:09:21 you can look in the patch to find which commit added it 23:09:27 or do git log make.log 23:13:01 found the commits 23:14:18 CanOfWorms: probably simplest way is: git rebase -i origin/master 23:14:33 find line of the commit where you added make.log 23:14:58 in that line change the action to just "e" for edit 23:15:18 save the rebase action list buffer, then it'll take you to that commit 23:15:33 and you can git git rm make.log 23:15:47 and then git rebase --continue 23:15:56 how do I save it? 23:16:01 save what? 23:16:15 it should launch an editor, like vi or something? 23:16:19 yeah 23:16:30 well did you edit it ok? 23:16:38 if you don't know how to use vi it's a bit hard 23:16:38 I... think so? 23:16:53 escape key, then :wq 23:17:18 not sure if msys has an easier editor for you to use 23:17:22 like is pico installed? 23:17:34 if so you can do export EDITOR=pico 23:17:36 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 23:17:38 from the shell 23:17:48 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:17:50 pico or nano or some such 23:17:59 and then git rebase -i will use that editor 23:18:06 ok, got it to work 23:18:30 key thing to remember is that after editing that rebase buffer, you're temporarily back at that commit 23:18:43 so you make the change you want, add the change (in this case git rm make.log is enough) 23:18:46 so I was playing around with png quantization and I think I can reduce the webtiles png sizes to like 1mb if we use 16 colours as a low-data option 23:18:46 then git rebase --continue 23:19:27 that doesn't change the display of the png at all? 23:19:32 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:49 massively 23:20:12 but several times I've tried to play over 3g tether and died of boredom waiting for the 8mb download 23:20:12 oh, I seem to have detached myself 23:21:17 CanOfWorms: yes doing rebase changes your HEAD and that's natural 23:21:26 you probably didn't follow the commands I mentioned 23:22:06 you can do git rebase --cancel 23:22:47 if you do it properly, the rebase proceeds and you get back to your branch (in your case master with 5 commits) 23:22:56 unknown option cancel? 23:22:59 (modified according to what you did) 23:23:09 er 23:23:16 git rebase --cancel 23:23:18 gives you that 23:23:23 oh is it abort 23:23:25 git rebase --abort 23:23:41 yeah abort sorry 23:24:11 Abort! Abort! 23:24:22 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:24:35 it says no rebase in progress? 23:24:42 I did an rm command at some point 23:24:53 yeah you got out of your rebase I guess 23:25:01 git branch 23:25:03 what does that say 23:25:11 * (no branch) 23:25:18 master 23:25:22 yeah not sure where you were rebasing from 23:25:27 but git checkout master 23:25:40 you'll be back at master 23:25:44 ah 23:25:49 let's try that again? 23:25:54 but if you check the patch it didn't remove it 23:26:00 (probably) 23:26:01 it did not 23:26:20 yeah try again, just be careful not to abort out of the rebase 23:26:27 should just be git rebase -i origin/master 23:26:31 then edit action list, save 23:26:40 then you're in the commit, so git rm then git rebase --continue 23:26:49 ok, the last time I tried editing the list I ctrl+S, then the first e I pressed nuked the entire line 23:26:49 and pay attention to what it tells you 23:26:57 oh no 23:27:03 er 23:27:03 yeah you're not using vi correctly :) 23:27:04 shift S 23:27:13 hrm 23:27:16 is pico 23:27:23 cancel this, try running pico 23:27:25 ok, I think it worked now 23:27:25 from the shell 23:28:12 stopped at 23:28:17 you can amend the commit 23:28:24 once you are satisfied 23:28:32 git commit --amend for that first line 23:28:36 git rebase --continue for the second 23:28:48 yeah 23:28:50 that's right 23:28:53 but you'll do 23:28:57 git rm make.log 23:29:03 like do you see make.log? 23:29:07 the file should exist 23:29:15 strange 23:29:17 it says it doesn't 23:29:18 before you git rm it that is 23:29:23 did not match any files 23:29:33 how can I tell? 23:29:52 git status, does it talk about make.log? 23:30:16 rebase in progress 23:30:27 yeah if not sounds like you got not the correct commit 23:30:43 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:53 you need the e on the commit that added make.log 23:31:15 you can git rebase --cancel 23:31:58 so do I want to change pick <...> to e <...> ? 23:32:14 yeah that works if <...> is the right one 23:32:20 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:22 it is 23:32:23 and you change nothing else 23:32:31 the git log says it's eb... and 5b... 23:32:40 CanOfWorms: can you just pastebin the patch 23:32:44 might help figure out what's wrong 23:33:18 http://pastebin.com/khe8QE39 23:33:19 CanOfWorms: only one commit added the file, maybe that second one changed it though 23:33:27 there are two make.logs 23:33:31 one in contrib and one in source 23:35:19 ontoclasm: would optimize-pngs be more useful if it ran on all modified pngs in the tree? 23:35:28 so you didn't have to git add -A beforehand 23:35:58 alternately, if you could pass it a filename(s) to work on 23:37:04 CanOfWorms: you added...a lot of weird stuff 23:37:07 you added patch files as well 23:37:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:37:30 did I? 23:37:33 yes 23:37:39 --- a/crawl-ref/source/trj_tilechange.patch 23:37:43 oh 23:37:52 I must have forgotten to delete it 23:37:52 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 23:38:02 my recommendation, don't use git add -A until you're comfortable reading git status etc 23:38:05 so you know what you're adding 23:38:07 that's the patch <_<; 23:38:16 I don't think I used -A? 23:38:23 you might have added a dir 23:38:23 I added the images individually 23:38:26 but it's in the patch 23:38:34 I guess 23:38:40 er 23:38:41 in fact 23:38:42 this patch 23:38:47 is the only thing in the commit 23:38:50 you're not making patches 23:38:55 and commiting patches 23:38:58 I hope?!?! 23:39:05 well I made a patch 23:39:05 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:11 then I noticed my images weren't in it 23:39:26 yes but 23:39:27 so I added them in 23:39:36 and then I committed again without deleting the patch 23:39:37 did you 1) make a patch and then 2) add/commit the patch you made? 23:39:55 I don't remember how the patch got in 23:39:59 yeah it's just that this wouldn't have gotten ..ok 23:40:06 as long as you don't think that's how git works :) 23:40:13 but yeah this commit should be outright deleted 23:40:16 yeah 23:40:33 er in fact 23:40:36 you have one just adding a patch 23:40:47 and one adding crawl-ref/source/make.log 23:40:55 those two commits should simply be deleted 23:41:03 [PATCH 4/5] TRJ tilechanges 23:41:04 yeah, I have no idea how I did those 23:41:21 and [PATCH 3/5] TRJ tilechanges 23:41:25 those should be deleted 23:41:39 er 23:41:40 and 23:41:53 [PATCH 3/5] TRJ tilechanges 23:41:55 er dangit 23:42:00 [PATCH 5/5] TRJ tilechanges 23:42:06 so 3, 4, and 5 23:42:11 basically all the recent ones? 23:42:12 just change pick to d 23:42:40 unknown command d 23:42:55 possibly a different letter? 23:43:04 oh sorry yeah 23:43:07 s? 23:43:08 it should tell you 23:43:09 remove the line 23:43:12 to delete the commit 23:43:13 not d 23:43:17 yeah ok 23:43:18 :dd 23:43:38 CanOfWorms: look at commit 2 in your patch, you add two make.log files and a .patch file 23:43:47 [PATCH 2/5] 23:43:57 they all have the same commit title 23:43:59 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:05 5b964b4ae5be9a95d9cfdbf29f706261d68f02f8 23:44:08 might be the commit hash 23:44:09 not sure 23:44:15 I think it is 23:44:24 so yeah delete 3/5, 4/5, 5/5 23:44:35 yeah 23:44:36 looks like 1/5 is ok 23:44:40 nothing bad in that commit 23:44:42 so revert to 1/5 23:44:44 no 23:44:50 2/5 has valid stuff? 23:44:51 !killratio duvessa * recent 23:44:52 ok, I'm still on 2/5 23:44:55 duvessa wins 5.651% of battles against * (recent). 23:44:58 I could just add the files individually again? 23:45:12 well no if you're on 2/5, the files are added 23:45:17 I mean 23:45:18 revert to 1 23:45:22 and add the files individually 23:45:31 oh yeah 23:45:38 then you'd have to delete 2 23:45:39 so one commit 23:45:50 well I know how to delete commits now :v 23:45:51 but yeah add those, rebase --continue 23:45:58 um 23:46:01 sure but I'm saying you need to do that 23:46:02 !killratio blork * recent 23:46:05 blork wins 0.0% of battles against * (recent). 23:46:13 if you add those files not in commit 2 23:46:15 !lm * uniq~~blork s=uniq recent 23:46:18 64522 milestones for * (uniq~~blork recent): 64308x Blork the orc, 214x Blork 23:46:26 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:28 ok, I'm back at the very first commit 23:46:41 my commands for the images are 23:46:47 git add 23:47:14 then you have to git commit --amend 23:47:19 I believe 23:47:25 git add stages that change 23:47:31 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:34 git commit -amend will ammend that commit 1 in the rebase 23:47:38 after the git commit --amend 23:47:41 git rebase --continue 23:47:49 so in that order, all 3 important 23:47:59 add, commit, rebase --continue 23:48:14 it... still added those 3 files. 23:48:34 well wait, what do you mean 23:48:38 did the rebase finish? 23:48:39 what did you run 23:48:49 you have to delete commit 2, remember? 23:48:55 did you delete commit 2 23:48:55 I deleted commit 2, and it was done 23:49:05 does the patch have 2 commits now? 23:49:08 when you make a new patch? 23:49:13 I didn't make a new patch 23:49:20 now I mean now that you're done 23:49:23 make a patch 23:49:26 see what's in it 23:49:28 ah 23:49:32 should show the result of your work 23:49:43 PleasingFungus: we must not let the artists have computers 23:50:04 oh 23:50:05 too dangerous 23:50:10 make.log is back in the source 23:50:11 GIVE THEM COMPUTERS AND THey WILL KILL US 23:50:29 well I'm asking how many commits do you have now 23:50:35 if you deleted: 2, 3, 4, and 5 23:50:43 your patch will show only one commit 23:50:43 1 23:50:45 ok good 23:50:50 but still make.log? 23:50:51 and that has the 3 extra files <_<; 23:50:56 alright that's fine 23:50:59 git rebase it 23:51:02 e for edit 23:51:12 hm, what's the vault syntax for "not the bottom of the branch"? 23:51:14 when it gets to shell again 23:51:24 you should see files exist (make.log, the other two) 23:51:51 I have unstaged changes 23:51:54 commit/stash 23:51:59 wait 23:52:07 that can't happen if you'd commited everything 23:52:21 I think it's because I overwrote the old patch <_<: 23:52:39 let me just quickly re-amend 23:53:27 CanOfWorms: pastebin your patch with the one commit if it's too confusing at some point, something weird is happening 23:54:19 http://pastebin.com/V0M3jFsq 23:55:13 CanOfWorms: yeah that looks good wrt what you were saying, just have to get those added files removed 23:55:14 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:55:20 hm 23:55:26 frances has a cool theme but mechanically she's not very exciting 23:55:39 CanOfWorms: actually, if that's the current state of your master 23:55:49 you should see that those files exist now 23:56:01 and you can remove them and git commit --amend 23:56:13 without a rebase, since it's one commit now 23:56:32 the unstaged changes might just be your removing them? 23:56:36 git status will tell you 23:57:24 deleted 23:57:29 :toot: 23:57:40 * gammafunk weeps tears of joy and relief... 23:58:15 artists, amirite 23:58:39 so what do I do after --amend 23:58:46 that's a commit 23:58:48 making a patch doesn't seem to reflect these changes 23:58:59 hrm 23:59:02 did you add the removal? 23:59:05 how did you remove 23:59:08 the patch still looks the same when I make it 23:59:17 what are you doing to make the removal happen 23:59:25 it should be git rm file 23:59:39 and then git commit -a --amend 23:59:44 maybe git rm doesn't stage 23:59:47 but I think it does 23:59:58 so then -a wouldn't be necessary