00:02:22 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:54 -!- rockit has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150220131007]] 00:02:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-47-g7044d6a (34) 00:03:45 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:12:09 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/trj.png 00:12:22 so gooey 00:15:38 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-47-g7044d6a (34) 00:20:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:02 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:18 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:28:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:28:47 -!- Ystah has quit [] 00:29:27 this is what i used as a reference: http://tajpharma.com/images/manufacturing/soft-gelatin-plant/tajpharmacapsules.jpg 00:29:43 TRJ... secretly a cough drop?! 00:29:50 apparently 00:30:04 perhaps TRJ should change colors like killer klowns? 00:30:13 hah 00:30:35 i can't remember if royal jellies got removed 00:30:43 no, they're stillin 00:34:47 royal jellies got removed, then honeycombs got renamed to royal jellies 00:35:06 jelly of theseus 00:36:51 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 00:39:00 a particularly delicious golden gelationous thing 00:39:07 ...gelatinous* 00:44:55 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-48-g351f953: Royal Jelly tile 10(82 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=351f9535e96f 00:45:46 yum 00:46:07 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-35-g32f0a1a: Royal Jelly tile 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32f0a1adafce 00:46:14 makes me hungry 00:46:35 new azure jellies look delicious too 00:47:05 I'll have some new slime creatures eventually 00:47:05 this ash thing is annoying, I can't figure out how to reproduce the message at all when testing 00:47:08 but it definitely happens 00:47:15 really all the blobs except oozes look tasty 00:47:26 also an idea I had for them: have cores so you can tell which tier of creature you're fighting 00:47:37 mm, nice 00:47:39 5 cores so you know you're fighting the superhuge one 00:48:02 did you see the old ameoba tile 00:48:33 nope 00:49:21 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/351f9535e96f4555b5f9047abdccdce512eba0e7:crawl-ref/source/rltiles/UNUSED/monsters/giant_amoeba.png 00:49:35 (i've gotten alightly better since then) 00:49:38 slightly* 00:49:47 :o 00:50:38 also, relevant to yourself: 00:50:39 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/351f9535e96f4555b5f9047abdccdce512eba0e7:crawl-ref/source/rltiles/UNUSED/monsters/holy_dragon.png 00:50:56 original pearl dragons 00:51:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:35 honestly better than the previous one 00:53:06 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-47-g7044d6a 00:53:11 I should talk since I could make neither 00:53:28 * ontoclasm shrugs 00:54:13 I guess it's even sillier to have a dudes head over a weird pink head 00:54:35 either way it's pretty bizarre 00:54:56 we should include awesome dragon tiles as a reference in the release name 00:55:00 or was that already decided 00:55:04 however, i have done my duty and kept the number of tiles which resemble dildoes constant 00:55:11 haha 00:55:24 this being the most important part of my job 00:55:55 I can relate, having made vaults. One most constantly ask oneself the artistic question: Does this look like a dong? 00:56:10 cough cough spider ending 00:56:13 the spectrum from dong to swastika 00:56:29 yes, and boobs and other no-no shapes are included in that 00:56:34 it's a constant struggle 00:56:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:04 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57:16 I decided not to worry about dong vaults 00:57:26 it's just too easy to convince yourself that something looks like a dong 00:57:45 swastikas you have to watch out for though 00:58:15 oh, forceful dismissal got removed? 00:58:22 yep 00:58:24 ye 00:58:25 it was useless 00:58:41 it was !glasses focefully dismissed 00:58:44 things you learn while looking through rltiles/UNUSED 00:58:48 *forcefully 00:58:52 maybe it could be reintroduced as a spell that works on enemy summons 00:59:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:42 and then extend it to work on non-summons as well 00:59:51 call it tornado 01:00:07 ice storm 01:00:27 just needs to be a fire spell 01:01:17 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:18 also i'm still waiting for somebody to implement some sort of ghosty undead monster 01:07:44 so i can use that spirit tile 01:08:53 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:13:52 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:17:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:18:33 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:22:55 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-b1-35-g32f0a1a 01:24:37 1learn add rare_messages That potion was far past its expiry date. 01:25:43 ...quaffing a removed potion type? 01:25:55 yes 01:26:12 apparently they're "stale" 01:26:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26:24 mm 01:31:25 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:35:25 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:35:56 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-48-g351f953 (34) 01:36:08 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:52 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:01 Clarify the message when attempting to quaff ambrosia while having clarity 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9523 by n1000 01:41:14 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:03 -!- walterch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:48:15 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.17-a0-49-g906d5d2: Hog tiles (CanOfWorms) 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=906d5d22d67f 01:48:16 03ontoclasm02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-36-ge41cf31: Hog tiles (CanOfWorms) 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e41cf319ce65 01:48:47 time for people to murder cute pigs, I guess 01:49:57 mmm, bacon 01:50:08 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:50:23 DCSS 0.16: Ham & Eggs Edition 01:52:18 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:52:18 fr: rename beef jerky to bacon jerky, make zin dislike eating bacon 01:53:12 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:58:24 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:06 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:02:07 my patch is a one-liner 03:04:51 -!- TackleBox has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:38 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 03:06:20 New hog tiles good (8000% improvement over old piggy bank hogs), Royal jelly needs some getting used too but good, 03:06:33 However Xtahua = NO 03:09:00 ??bribe branch 03:09:01 bribe branch[1/1]: Gozag ability which costs . While active, monsters have a chance to become either friendly or "good-neutral" (like freed slaves) when seeing you, until your money wears out, upon which time they become pacified. 03:09:37 ah pacification, brings back memories 03:09:48 TackleBox: not a fan of xtahua? 03:10:35 I am aware of all the effort that (presumably Can of Worms) put into it, but to me it doesn not look menacing 03:11:23 can made the base tile but i converted it into xtahua 03:12:35 what monsters are susceptible to bribes? 03:12:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:07 n1k: i believe it's "the species of humanoid native to the branch" 03:13:16 so orcs for orc, humans for vaults, etc. 03:13:17 demons too 03:13:34 draconians in zot 03:13:36 do you know if certain branches are just unbribable? 03:13:41 yes 03:13:54 okay 03:14:13 branches that don't have such a race associated with them, e.g. swamp 03:14:14 I guess it only works in hells, zot, V, shoals, snake, elf, and orc 03:14:20 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:14:31 -!- TackleBox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:14:36 TackleBox: feel free to, er 03:14:42 okay then 03:26:11 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:24 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:26:41 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:00 Quick question, does blade hands sinergize with stealth (for stabbing)? 03:27:49 that's probably a better question for ##crawl 03:32:14 Marbit: no 03:32:34 oks, thanks 03:34:22 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:34:30 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:25 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:53:09 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:59:40 Gozag allies attack you 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9524 by Marbit 04:14:58 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:17:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 04:29:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:42:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:07:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:15:23 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:07 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:16:10 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:17:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:44 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:18:00 -!- ElanMorin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:43 -!- ythm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:37:18 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:38:47 -!- CaptIglo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:01 hey which is the least exciting monster? 05:39:08 The BORING beetle! 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11:34:58 it's not quite bladehands-ridiculous but it is still good 11:35:05 I've never played with summons. 11:35:12 ): 11:35:14 i found a book of that and i'm a VSMo so i have 0 apt for everything and might as well pick up anything that works well 11:35:26 <|amethyst> wrong channel? 11:35:45 well you keep banning me from ##crawl for some reason so 11:36:00 ##crawl seems dead and i needed a chei expert and saw bloax in here! who evangelizes about chei a lot 11:36:09 if i have any more Q's i'll ask him in /query though 11:36:25 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:38:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:10 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:31 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:17 so did anyone else know that ashenzari monster ego/wand warnings depend directly on you.bondage_level? 11:44:47 I thought you.bondage_level was only used for piety gain but apparently it is also used for this 11:45:21 (in ash_id_monster_equipment) 11:45:52 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:46:08 I did not know that 11:46:34 I knew that ash inventory id depended on which slots you have bounfd 11:46:43 s/nfd/nd/ 11:50:35 yeah 11:52:07 Someone in tavern a while back proposed the idea of adding more monsters with "channeling" spells like Word of Recall. I like that idea. Maybe something with channel-firestorm or channel-mass-haste 11:52:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:30 channels all popcorn to surround you 11:53:35 firestorms all popcorn 11:53:38 sounds like a good idea 11:53:59 I didn't say they'd also have word of recall :P 11:57:29 -!- ly^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:17 change bolt of fire or bolt of magma into a new channeling spell 11:58:29 either could do with a massive change 11:58:31 twelwe: I was thinking for monsters 11:58:44 bolt of magma does seem like it could use a change tho 11:59:46 i think i channeled searing ray while starving over two dozen times in my ascencion. its really powerful with battlesphere to get those last shots off while starving 12:00:28 used magic dart for everything until near starving then switched to searing ray 12:00:34 more like shotgun of magma imo 12:01:32 mods change my name to devs advocate 12:01:32 searing ray is pretty solid 12:01:49 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:00 /nick devs advocate 12:02:18 on the tavern i mean 12:02:34 -!- Bloax is now known as DevsAdvocate 12:02:50 instant death is a feature, not a bug 12:02:53 -!- DevsAdvocate is now known as Bloax 12:03:18 twelwe: if we change your name, I won't know whose posts to thank 12:04:03 they`ll still be of great quality and theres always the avatar 12:05:47 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:00 you know I never read posts. I just thank people who are part of the crawl elite. 12:06:45 define elite 12:07:59 If you don't know, just ask damiac. 12:08:07 the elite do not define the elite 12:11:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:14:31 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:15:36 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-b1-36-ge41cf31 12:18:10 -!- Moredrea1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:19:00 purchased wands in .17 are fully identified yeah? 12:19:47 -!- Moredread has quit [Client Quit] 12:20:19 only if they're shown fully id'd in the store list 12:20:39 must be 12:20:56 lastly, lasty can i distort brand my longbow? 12:20:58 Lasty: so I looked at gozag for a minute last night and, regarding bribe branch, it seems (1) rather limited for a super "invocation," and (2) the whole "bribability" table right in the middle of godabil.cc :( 12:21:29 twelwe: no, ranged weapons can't be distortion 12:21:49 does anyone have any feelings about the balance of that ability between branches at the moment? 12:21:51 n1k: Yeah, I know. 12:22:35 n1k: no opinion on the balance of the ability. I dislike Gozag enough that I don't think I'm a good person to make judgments about what would make the god better or more balanced. 12:22:39 it looked really weak when i watched someone having used it in zot 12:23:23 Bloax: yeah it only affects draconians for some reason? 12:23:36 Oh, it doesn't affect klowns? 12:23:42 no, nor any undead 12:24:26 I believe in all cases it doesn't affect creatures with < normal intelligence, undead, demons, non-humanoids . . . 12:24:43 it affects demons 12:24:50 oh, huh 12:25:30 I was thinking it might be good (again, with the caveat that I have zero firsthand experience with the ability) to extend its affects in Zot, make it work on some things in Tomb, and maybe make it more generally usable, but cheaper in places with very few humanoids 12:26:40 I guess I'll wait for dpeg 12:28:38 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-50-g9530971: Assorted Ashenzari monster equipment ID fixes. 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9530971d1360 12:29:32 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-37-gc58c574: Assorted Ashenzari monster equipment ID fixes. 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c58c574f5af0 12:30:31 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:30:39 n1k: I don't have any real feeling on the current balance of bribe branch, but I did want to note that it isn't actually that expensive an ability to use -- it's a similar cost to requesting a couple of shops or using the potion ability several times 12:31:00 3000 gold sounds like a lot but you get a lot of gold with gozag 12:31:57 elliptic: thanks. It shouldn't be a no-brainer to use in every tough branch, but it also seems somewhat weird to me that it affects demons so well and undead not at all 12:32:44 can the autopickup menu be extended to specific brands of ammo? 12:32:46 it affects demons well? I've never seen or heard of it being used that late 12:33:22 elliptic: it works in all hell branches with a relatively high bribability for fiends 12:33:53 relatively high meaning the highest of any monster in any branch 12:34:19 it was quite disappointing in V:5 when I tried it there in a recent game 12:34:53 and somewhat marginal in snake when I tried it there in 0.15-a iirc, though that was a while ago 12:37:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38:16 Webtiles server restarted. 12:39:28 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:45 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:24 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:42:23 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:24 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:45:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:52 <|amethyst> greensnark: CSZO 0.16 up at http://dobrazupa.org/meta/0.16/ 12:47:06 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:10 -!- Moredread has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:48:36 <|amethyst> greensnark: will get around to updating CAO... hopefully today 12:50:44 <|amethyst> (not updating scoring's sources.yml until I have updated CAO at least) 12:54:37 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:47 just how likely am i to meet all these elvish conjurefuckers in the abyss after banishing them all? 13:02:01 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:04:29 between 9 AM to 11 PM Pacific <- please make that international ;) 13:05:42 after six years i still can't for the life of me remember what Pacific Time is 13:08:04 did you know that hawaii doesn`t have to put up with daylight saving time? 13:08:24 thats obama for you he messes up the rest of the country with that bs and leaves his home country alone 13:16:04 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:49 <|amethyst> Pacific is UTC-0700 right now 13:17:36 <|amethyst> at least in the US, don't know who else calls that zone "Pacific time" but might have different summer time rules 13:19:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:21 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:12 ontoclasm: big trj but not xtahua :( 13:22:33 i remember the first time i played dithmenos. it was brand new and the god was giving me double penetration large rocks, because that was going on too, and i said to lordsloth ``watch how bad this owns`` cause he loves ogres and i proceed to mash my throwing macro and die with four runes like an idiot 13:22:53 it was dithmengos then 13:23:37 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:24:47 and now he's nerfed to hell :^D 13:24:57 !messages 13:24:57 (1/1) gammafunk said (3d 11h 34m 18s ago): We're looking ot do a release no later than Mar 11 at latest for the 0.16 tourner on Mar 13-29, can you set up 0.16 on clan? 13:24:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:25:15 !tell gammafunk sure. 13:25:15 TZer0: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:26:18 man i gotta enter the abyss just to bless my weapon but entering is going to bring me below the piety i need to bless it. its a catch..... catch... catchphrase 13:28:03 wheals: sorry :C 13:28:23 get the dragon man on the case 13:28:35 it's almost like... trj is more dangerous than xtahua... 13:29:31 !! 13:30:02 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-51-g28bcb14: Still spend a turn when attempting to burn a spellbook mimic (qw). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28bcb14a15f4 13:30:17 important bugfix here IMO 13:30:24 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-38-gff7e55b: Still spend a turn when attempting to burn a spellbook mimic (qw). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff7e55b09360 13:30:36 ...why can't you burn spellbook mimics, that sounds 100% in trog's bailiwick 13:30:45 What happens when you try 13:30:51 ontoclasm: so that it isn't optimal to burn every book before stepping next to it 13:31:03 same reason you can`t burn book stores 13:31:06 magicpoints: the mimic is revealed and disappears 13:31:40 -!- ashudal has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:10 oh right mimics disappear now 13:32:20 nevermind, i forgot that 13:32:35 maybe it should create fire but not give any piety 13:33:21 as in, trog says okay and burns the book but this doesn't make trog happy because it turns out to be a mimic 13:33:30 Trog roars, "BOOK IS NOT REAL! BOOK MIMICS MAKE TROG ANGRY!" 13:33:40 trog penance 13:33:48 god every altar but lugonu in this game 13:33:59 is enter the abuss going to bring me to 5 stars? 13:34:39 it's very piety heavy (also why are you bugging us) 13:34:48 go bug bcadren or whoever in ##crawl\ 13:34:48 twelwe: you can't get Lucy piety in the abyss 13:35:26 bcadren doesn`t reply to me anymore 13:35:36 so i have no one left you see 13:40:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:44:03 !seen lasty 13:44:04 I last saw Lasty at Sun Mar 8 18:34:48 2015 UTC (9m 15s ago) saying 'twelwe: you can't get Lucy piety in the abyss' on ##crawl-dev. 13:44:04 -!- __miek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:12 sad but true 13:44:15 !seen PleasingFungus 13:44:15 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:44:15 I last saw PleasingFungus at Sun Mar 8 18:44:12 2015 UTC (3s ago) saying 'sad but true' on ##crawl-dev. 13:44:30 oh goood 13:44:34 Lasty: just caught up on logs. gammafunk already kinda said this but imho don't add new features to 0.16 13:44:36 TZer0 got the message about 0.16 13:44:39 keep them in branches 13:44:58 HE SAID IT AND HE SAID IT BETTER AND HE SAID IT FIRST 13:44:59 er, don't add new features to trunk* until the tournament is over 13:45:10 massive crawl-dev cheevo earned 13:45:23 gammafunk: ya I'm still kinda dead, didn't get much sleep last night. dst is a rude thing and I don't like it at all 13:45:42 dst? 13:45:48 substring of toadstool 13:45:49 ontoclasm: what is this swinery 13:46:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:10 oh 13:46:14 discrete sine transform 13:46:14 daylight savings time 13:46:17 haha 13:46:41 Comment: I'm really looking forward to 16, because I received notification that the long-standing bug that causes a fatal crash in Zot Defense has been remedied. I love Zot Defense. I think it is the cat's pajamas and hope that I can play it through to the end now! 13:46:42 both are probably pre nasty 13:46:46 PleasingFungus: . . . not interested in adding new features to 0.16 13:46:49 lol 13:46:54 is that on wordpress 13:46:56 ya 13:47:00 trolling comments is rude imho 13:47:08 probably just duvessa 13:47:17 claims to be "amethyst_igor" 13:47:21 a mysterium 13:47:23 ic 13:47:31 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:47:32 oh that guy 13:47:34 it weren`t me. i only post serious and on topic 13:47:37 who??? 13:47:37 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 13:47:41 ... 13:47:44 good 13:47:48 it's that guy who was in -dev 13:47:56 !seen igor 13:47:56 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen igor. 13:47:57 and who posted a donger ascii thing 13:48:10 !seen dongs 13:48:10 Sorry wheals, I haven't seen dongs. 13:48:10 ok nm 13:48:18 that was captainiglo 13:48:23 not captainigor 13:48:59 I never played Zot defense. is there a succinct reason on why it needed to die? 13:49:12 it was buggy, pretty much broken 13:49:13 it was broken as hell and no one was interested in maintaining it 13:49:17 and no one was maintainni..yeah 13:49:18 it was just really bad and no one was interested in fixing it? 13:49:21 heh 13:49:22 ok 13:49:37 sprint is way, way more popular 13:49:47 and isn't broken (at least most maps aren't) 13:49:54 sounds reasonable and easy enough to bring it back if someone takes the time 13:50:00 !lg * game=sprint 13:50:01 yeah 13:50:03 419628. slix the Vexing (L2 OpAM), mangled by an ogre (a cursed -2 giant spiked club) in Sprint (Sprint I: "Red Sonja") on 2015-03-08 18:49:30, with 17 points after 70 turns and 0:00:27. 13:50:06 !lg * game=zotdef 13:50:07 33426. WinterLilium the Ruinous (L2 DrCj), slain by a kobold (a +0 short sword) in Zot (Scenario I: Hall of Zot : zotvault) on 2015-03-08 18:39:57, with 18 points after 264 turns and 0:02:17. 13:50:10 I really like that ||||||||||| sprint 13:50:25 %git :/|||||||~ 13:50:25 07elliptic02 * 0.16-b1-38-gff7e55b: Still spend a turn when attempting to burn a spellbook mimic (qw). 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff7e55b09360 13:50:26 !calc 33426.0 / 419628 13:50:27 0.08 13:50:53 well sprint might pre-date zotdef, I don't know 13:50:57 !lg * game=zotdef recent 13:50:58 4536. WinterLilium the Ruinous (L2 DrCj), slain by a kobold (a +0 short sword) in Zot (Scenario I: Hall of Zot : zotvault) on 2015-03-08 18:39:57, with 18 points after 264 turns and 0:02:17. 13:51:01 !lg * game=sprint recent 13:51:02 102693. slix the Vexing (L2 OpAM), mangled by an ogre (a cursed -2 giant spiked club) in Sprint (Sprint I: "Red Sonja") on 2015-03-08 18:49:30, with 17 points after 70 turns and 0:00:27. 13:51:13 even less popular in recent 13:51:27 !lg * game=sprint recent s=map 13:51:28 102693 games for * (game=sprint recent): 14451x dungeon_sprint_1, 9689x linesprint; early_d, 9528x meatsprint, 5774x arena_sprint, 4825x dungeon_sprint_fedhas, 4171x linesprint, 4080x the_violet_keep_of_menkaure; sprint2_stairs_cluster_1, 3660x linesprint; d_10, 2861x pitsprint; storerooms_1, 2602x linesprint; items_1, 2511x dungeon_sprint_mu; sprint_mu_entry_cave, 2486x dungeon_sprint_mu; sprint_... 13:51:35 !lg * game=sprint recent s=map !boring 13:51:37 97062 games for * (game=sprint recent !boring): 13794x dungeon_sprint_1, 9469x linesprint; early_d, 9288x meatsprint, 4931x arena_sprint, 4575x dungeon_sprint_fedhas, 3677x the_violet_keep_of_menkaure; sprint2_stairs_cluster_1, 3636x linesprint; d_10, 3558x linesprint, 2801x pitsprint; storerooms_1, 2506x linesprint; items_1, 2380x dungeon_sprint_mu; sprint_mu_entry_cave, 2355x dungeon_sprint_mu; ... 13:51:53 oh 13:52:08 the worst thing about sprint is symlinking all the sprint score files for each new versions 13:52:32 yeah I want to automate that johnstein, I'm just a bit hesitant to work on dgl scripts 13:52:41 when we don't know what direction we want to go wrt rolling out servers 13:52:44 I could have done it months ago 13:52:48 for mysel 13:52:48 <|amethyst> johnstein: which isn't strictly needed, since no bots actually use them 13:53:09 yea but feels like I should. for consistency 13:53:38 unnecessary consistsance 13:53:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:56:46 we need a nice requirements/design document/diagram for future crawl server stuff. I've been wondering if the steam thing happens if there's any official server integration. but that's a couple steps away for sure 13:58:32 yeah there's probably not much they could really help us with there, I'd guess 13:58:45 in terms of running a server 13:59:25 -!- Hero-Sloth has quit [Client Quit] 14:01:12 yea dunno 14:02:56 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:00 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:04:01 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:39 why is blessing still tied to altars? 14:04:51 flavor probably 14:05:14 relevant for lugonu 14:05:21 though whether it's relevant in a good way or not is debateable 14:05:47 relevant because of altar generation? 14:06:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:06:04 because you have to go to the abyss to search for a lucy altar, generally, which is not quite trivial 14:06:12 <|amethyst> well 14:06:15 thats my situation exactly 14:06:17 <|amethyst> I figure usually you'd use corruption 14:06:25 oh, I forgot you could do that 14:06:27 nvm 14:06:56 <|amethyst> which is still relevant, because if you wait until you get ******, that will probably drop you to *****- 14:07:11 <|amethyst> then again, travel time will often do that anyway 14:07:13 that sounds relevant only in a very annoying way 14:07:25 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:11 <|amethyst> !lm * v=0.16.0-b1 s=file 14:09:11 908 milestones for * (v=0.16.0-b1): 671x remote.cxc-milestones-0.16, 143x remote.cbro-milestones-0.16, 94x remote.cszo-milestones-0.16 14:09:27 <|amethyst> is that the full list of servers with 0.16 currently? 14:09:37 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 14:09:45 <|amethyst> (adding 0.16 to CAO currently, then I will update the scoring sources) 14:10:13 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:56 right, also 14:11:57 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:12:07 lasty, did you mean to dramatically increase the number of randarts in the game 14:12:35 great, more drama 14:12:41 is that drama 14:13:06 you just said so!!! 14:13:12 . . . 14:13:17 can't even banish you... 14:13:25 !torment wheals 14:13:26 Bloax gestures. Bloax is wracked with pain! 14:13:28 PleasingFungus: no. Did I? 14:13:39 10/10 14:13:44 dc1e71391185 and 2eeac876ef03 14:13:59 %git dc1e71391185 14:13:59 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-36-gdc1e713: Don't allow body armour or weapon randarts to have negative enchantment 10(20 hours ago, 3 files, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc1e71391185 14:13:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:01 added a large number of usable randarts to the game 14:14:05 :p 14:14:10 Ah, yes, I meant to do that 14:14:16 and most of them will not be usable 14:14:17 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:24 and very few artefacts are actually affected 14:14:34 um 14:14:55 can you explain the last point to me 14:15:10 "very few" is a slight exaggeration. "a distinct minority" might be more accurate. 14:15:25 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-b1-38-gff7e55b 14:15:31 Most artefacts already had 0 or greater enchantment or weren't weapons/body armour 14:15:34 %git 2eeac876ef03 14:15:34 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-37-g2eeac87: Improve weapon/body armour min enchantment 10(18 hours ago, 3 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2eeac876ef03 14:15:39 <|amethyst> I'm unclear on why a -1 robe is so much worse than a -1 pair of gloves 14:15:54 |amethyst: if you're wearing a robe, you're already sacrificing a ton of AC 14:16:01 because you have choices other than the -1 robe 14:16:17 usually things that are much better than a -1 robe 14:16:21 <|amethyst> by that argument we shouldn't make +0 robes either 14:16:22 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:25 <|amethyst> or +2 for that matter 14:16:35 like a +2 robe of some resist 14:16:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:40 |amethyst: it's true that robe artefacts are almost always garbage 14:16:56 but there are good +2 or better robes in the game 14:17:29 <|amethyst> right, and comparing one of those robes to the same thing at -1, you have a difference of 3 AC 14:17:34 they just usually involve properties that don't spawn on artefacts (e.g. archmage) 14:17:45 <|amethyst> which is the same difference between +2 gloves and -1 gloves 14:18:24 !source biased_random2 14:18:24 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/random.cc;hb=HEAD#l256 14:18:54 <|amethyst> Lasty: oh, one of those comments says "body armour" erroneously (_try_make_weapon_artefact) 14:19:03 |amethyst: gloves can be worn by people with any body armour except Lear's. You might choose -ac gloves if you already have some AC to spare. If you're wearing robes, you already made a tradeoff that penalizes AC heavily, so losing out on another 3 ac is much less likely to be worthwhile 14:19:08 |amethyst: ack. 14:19:12 I'll fix that. 14:19:44 nice, you only get "you can fly continuously" on tengu A screen at XL15 14:19:49 asdfasdf 14:19:55 put another way: I don't expect anyone in a robe to seriously consider wearing -ac gloves either 14:19:57 fucking A screen 14:20:02 <|amethyst> Lasty: ah, so the -1 gloves would only be chosen by people who wouldn't use robes anyway. 14:20:05 <|amethyst> yeah 14:20:05 <|amethyst> that makes sense 14:20:06 yes 14:20:13 |amethyst: yeah, I thought of the robe thing also... certainly -1 robes are much closer to usable than -1 ring mail or -1 plate or whatever, and I may have actually used one :P but just applying this as a blanket thing to all body armour seems simpler 14:20:45 could do something as a ratio or difference from max enchantment, if you wanted 14:20:59 how usable is +0 crystal plate? well, depends where you are in the game, really 14:21:03 I did consider making the check be for base ac > 2 instead of going by equipment slot, but I don't think anyone will actually be using -1 or worse artefact robes 14:21:18 what it artefacts were enchantable 14:21:22 PleasingFungus: +0 crystal plate is still pretty good. Gives you huge AC and huge returns on Armour skill. 14:21:24 |amethyst: also, about 0.16 servers, afaik it is just cxc cbro cszo so far 14:21:34 !send Lasty the EV cost............ 14:21:34 Sending the EV cost............ to Lasty. 14:21:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:21:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: and CAO in a few minutes 14:22:35 PleasingFungus: every time I've used CPA it's been pretty close to +0 and it's been fantastic 14:22:42 0 or -1 or whatever CPA is certainly usable yes 14:22:43 I just don't get 14 spare scrolls of ?ea that often 14:22:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:57 I'll accept that and withdraw my proposal 14:23:08 since on further consideration I think you're right 14:24:38 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 14:24:49 -!- mauris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:18 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-52-g3643e15: Fix two comments 10(47 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3643e154a57e 14:25:28 come to think of it, I don't think I've ever had a CPA that was better than +8 or so. 14:25:49 !send Lasty wompoate 14:25:49 Sending wompoate to Lasty. 14:26:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26:10 ?/wompoate 14:26:11 Matching entries (1): uber_randarts[18]: the +22 crystal plate armour "Wompoate" {rPois rF+ rN+ Stlth++} 14:26:13 mm 14:26:21 0 or -1 CPA is more usable than 0 or -1 robe because it has a base AC of 14 instead of 2 14:26:46 but what'll I do with the 27 ?ea I've been hoarding?? 14:27:00 cry and use it on a gda 14:27:45 also here's a good question 14:27:46 Sphara: btw by what logic are ghost crab breath's spectral monsters created ? completely randomly? i mean i got spectral shard shrike in the swamp for christ's sake. 14:28:09 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:28:20 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 14:30:06 it's based on the local population, plus a few mixins from a fixed pool of 'interesting spectres' (e.g. anacondas) 14:30:14 no idea how a spectral shard shrike would show up in swamp 14:31:59 shard shrikes aren't demonic? 14:32:02 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 14:32:17 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:32 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:44 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:59 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:37 NaotaZ (L21 TeAs) (Vaults:1) 14:40:48 <|amethyst> hmm 14:40:48 Webtiles server restarted. 14:40:56 <|amethyst> I guess that crash was from the restart 14:41:00 <|amethyst> !crashlog naotaz 14:41:00 1. NaotaZ, XL21 TeAs, T:58882 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/NaotaZ/crash-NaotaZ-20150308-194036.txt 14:41:41 -!- Joestar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:42:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:11 The build was broken. (stone_soup-0.16 - ff7e55b #1930 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/53562085 14:42:11 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:42:19 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:19 -!- lessens_ is now known as lessens 14:42:26