00:01:02 <gammafunk> cool, installer works and crawl works (modulo win8 graphical bugs)
00:01:22 <gammafunk> probably will try to do cross-compile in my chroot for the final release
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00:11:21 <chequers> good idea mrwooster, linking to play.htm would even geo-locate players that way
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00:11:28 <chequers> but does anyone use the chrome web store?
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00:16:06 <mrwooster> yep, quite a few
00:16:09 <mrwooster> esp on chromebooks
00:16:52 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-11-gedc27af (34)
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00:26:02 <chequers> mrwooster: how do you feel about delivering static css/js via 3rd party cdn for bootstrap & jquery?
00:26:29 <chequers> currently i use bootstrap official (maxcdn) and google cdn (for jquery)
00:26:56 <mrwooster> for core libaries its usually the best way to go… i always use cdnjs.com
00:27:09 <mrwooster> its maintained/hosted by cloudflare
00:28:44 <chequers> probably better to use a single cdn so there's less dns
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00:30:39 <mrwooster> thats not really an issue because the dns for any major cdn will already be cached… its more just code maintenance
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00:31:09 <chequers> i suppose that's true
00:34:13 <chequers> btw, one recommendation from google page speed eludes my brain. it suggests not putting inline js in document head. how do I move stuff from head into a separate file without it breaking?
00:37:22 <gammafunk> aren't you just talking about using <script> with a url?
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00:38:07 <gammafunk> or src="url" rather
00:38:19 <gammafunk> that's what we do in e.g. client.html
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00:40:20 <gammafunk> !gamesby n1000
00:40:21 <Sequell> n1000 has played 590 games, between 2011-01-12 01:44:42 and 2014-11-08 06:23:00, won 62 (10.5%), high score 14752299, total score 150701350, total turns 8085383, play-time/day 0:36:07, total time 35d+1:03:39.
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00:42:16 <chequers> hm, am I?
00:42:18 * chequers will test
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00:46:03 <mrwooster> chequers: ye, i took a look at your code, having all the JS in HTML pages in <script> tags is not the best practice
00:46:14 <mrwooster> its slower and makes the code harder to maintain
00:46:21 <mrwooster> ideally, you would want to break it up into files
00:46:26 <mrwooster> happy to help if you need it
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01:48:19 <Sizzell> thedrillkeeper (L2 DsGl) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_JEWELLERY) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1377 failed. (D:1)
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02:31:26 <Napkin> !tell gammafunk actually, you just need to find a cross-compiler that compiles dcss successfully ;)
02:31:26 <Sequell> Napkin: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
02:32:41 <Napkin> !tell gammafunk I ended up using master branch (stable failed) of github/mxe
02:32:42 <Sequell> Napkin: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
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03:23:30 <TZer0> !messages
03:23:30 <Sequell> (1/1) Grunt said (2w 18h 49m 8s ago): No <type of emergency> for <insert server admin here>.
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06:25:49 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-12-g54cf826: Don't crash when trying to put on non-jewellery. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54cf826b3053
06:25:50 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-11-ge22bfb1: Don't crash when trying to put on non-jewellery. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e22bfb11e3ec
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06:30:57 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-12-g54cf826 (34)
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09:01:09 <comebackshane> Why?
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09:29:03 <ebering> chequers: re mantis langing page I'm good with a red pen
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09:47:23 <elliptic> current draft of tourney rules is here for anyone who is interested: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/
09:47:50 <gammafunk> !tell Grunt Oh Great and Terrible Hasted Patch Executioner, canst thou tell thy lowly minion: 1) did you build the windows packages with LTO (only works for me w/o LTO) and 2) how do you make the debs again, are there docs?
09:47:51 <Sequell> gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
09:47:51 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know.
09:52:05 <Grunt> 1) yes (what's the issue)
09:52:43 <gammafunk> Grunt: I get an error regarding an lto ld or gcc option
09:52:50 <gammafunk> let me see if I can pastebin the thing for you
09:53:05 <Grunt> 2) there are instructions somewhere but not very good ones; I'll check the command set I've been using
09:53:24 <gammafunk> tyvm (Oh Terrible Hasted Patch Executioner)
09:53:47 <gammafunk> Grunt: /contrib/pcre' CC pcre_byte_order.o
09:53:47 <gammafunk> cc1: error: -fno-fat-lto-objects are supported only with linker plugin.
09:53:59 <Grunt> that needs to wait though as I'm at work
09:54:12 <gammafunk> no prob
09:54:28 <ebering> imo tourney needs a Marduk banner, one tier, slay Tiamat
09:54:29 <Grunt> do you have gold installed
09:54:41 <gammafunk> no? I don't know what that is
09:54:48 <Grunt> uh
09:54:51 <wheals> $$$
09:54:52 <Grunt> binutils-gold
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09:55:13 <gammafunk> no I see no such package
09:55:40 <Grunt> :|
09:56:18 <gammafunk> well the 1 has given me a valuable hint
09:56:28 <gammafunk> so I'll go from there
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09:57:02 <gammafunk> hrm, is this already in ubuntu binutils I wonder
09:57:43 <gammafunk> aha! it is installed
09:57:47 <gammafunk> ld.gold
09:58:02 <gammafunk> (it's just provided by binutils package I guess)
09:58:25 <wheals> GYRE and GIMPLE
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09:58:58 <gammafunk> Grunt: so yeah it's installed
09:59:19 <twelwe> who you calling a gyre or a gimple?
09:59:37 <gammafunk> twelwe: yes
09:59:47 <twelwe> well i take comfort in that
09:59:57 <twelwe> terms of endeermeat where i come from
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10:23:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  for the right target?
10:24:13 <gammafunk> |amethyst: make LTO=y CROSSHOST=i686-w64-mingw32 package-windows
10:24:19 <gammafunk> yeah it works w/o LOT=y
10:24:24 <gammafunk> and the installer works in win8
10:24:30 <gammafunk> but it won't compile with LTO=y
10:24:33 <gammafunk> s/LOT/LTO/
10:24:33 <|amethyst> I mean
10:24:46 <|amethyst> you have ld.gold for i686-w64-mingw32?
10:24:53 <gammafunk> oh, hrm
10:25:04 <gammafunk> and, do I need to set my system to use that ld?
10:28:29 <gammafunk> |amethyst: seems my mingw ld isn't gold, nor do I have it installed
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10:40:53 <|amethyst> hm... and I have no idea about where to get such a thing
10:43:25 <gammafunk> well Grunt was able to build with LTO on his system, it seems, so he might be able to help me out when he has time
10:43:35 <gammafunk> at the worst case we can put non-LTO binaries up
10:43:44 <gammafunk> also I should try with with win-builds on win8/mingw
10:43:48 <gammafunk> maybe it's available there
10:44:00 <gammafunk> crosshost is just for convenience anyhow
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11:07:11 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-12-g54cf826 (34)
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12:17:11 <Cheibriados> Book of Wizardry still shown in "Items not yet recognised:" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9517 by ldf
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12:37:04 <PleasingFungus> !seen elliptic
12:37:05 <Sequell> I last saw elliptic at Wed Mar  4 15:47:23 2015 UTC (2h 49m 41s ago) saying 'current draft of tourney rules is here for anyone who is interested: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/' on ##crawl-dev.
12:37:40 <wheals> !seen PleasingFungus
12:37:41 <Sequell> I last saw PleasingFungus at Wed Mar  4 18:37:04 2015 UTC (36s ago) saying '!seen elliptic ' on ##crawl-dev.
12:38:11 <PleasingFungus> elliptic: tournament rules question: what are we doing about the threat of cross-server quit-griefing? I think there was a suggestion for how to fix that specifically for the tournament, but I'd have to go hunting through the logs for it, and  I don't see anything relevant in the changed rules...
12:39:35 <PleasingFungus> also the writing on Heretic is hilarious; kudos to whoever did that
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12:41:21 <n1k> PleasingFungus: the Makhleb one is pretty funny too
12:41:44 <wheals> what is this, a banner for ants?!?
12:42:27 <PleasingFungus> ya it's good
12:47:33 <gammafunk> does this mean that we'll see PleasingFungus playing in the tournament
12:48:05 <PleasingFungus> um
12:48:07 <PleasingFungus> idk
12:48:09 <PleasingFungus> !lm .
12:48:10 <Sequell> 5969. [2015-02-22 01:26:39] PleasingFungus the Convoker (L17 MuAs of Gozag) killed Jorgrun on turn 48946. (Vaults:3)
12:48:12 <gammafunk> the timing is kind of bad for me as well actually
12:48:18 <gammafunk> !lm . hesu
12:48:19 <Sequell> 3631. [2015-02-28 18:32:26] gammafunk the Convoker (L12 HESu of Sif Muna) left the Vaults on turn 9950. (Vaults:1)
12:48:20 <PleasingFungus> I've just been low-energy on crawl lately
12:48:27 <PleasingFungus> but I'll probably pop in briefly, idk
12:48:46 <wheals> gammafunk: you'd better give us all the victories you can!
12:48:46 <elliptic> PleasingFungus: I don't even know what "quit-griefing" means
12:48:55 <gammafunk> you know i will try wheals
12:48:55 <elliptic> so...
12:49:07 <PleasingFungus> oh
12:49:09 <wheals> i expect at one rune in under 1000 turns
12:49:11 <PleasingFungus> !lg theglow
12:49:12 <gammafunk> elliptic: I think he means registering on other servers?
12:49:13 <Sequell> 526. theglow the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_long_road) on 2014-12-03 19:32:08, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:01.
12:49:29 <elliptic> oh, to break people's streaks during tourney
12:49:29 <gammafunk> yeah someone messed up theglow's frozen streak
12:49:35 <PleasingFungus> ya
12:49:51 <PleasingFungus> there were two cases over the last few months where someone or someones went through and broke all currently active streaks
12:49:53 <elliptic> I don't know, I hadn't thought about it at all
12:49:56 <PleasingFungus> ah, ok
12:49:59 <elliptic> as a tourney issue
12:50:04 <PleasingFungus> let me look through the logs, I know we talked about this a few months ago
12:50:28 <gammafunk> yeah, we can't exactly restrict players..well
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12:50:37 <elliptic> if you remember a good solution then let me know, otherwise I'll just deal with it if it happens (by blacklisting games)
12:50:48 <PleasingFungus> ok
12:51:01 <elliptic> tourney streak rules actually make it harder to interrupt people's streaks I think
12:51:19 <elliptic> since you have to start the game in between games for them
12:51:27 <PleasingFungus> another solution would be to restrict streaks to a single server for the purpose of the tournament, but that has bad load-balancing implications
12:51:33 <elliptic> (only the first game started after a previous game ended counts for streaking)
12:51:53 <elliptic> (!streak and scoring pages use something more primitive and abusable)
12:52:15 <elliptic> so people can't really go and break lots of people's streaks at once
12:52:27 <PleasingFungus> that's good
12:52:32 <PleasingFungus> may be moot
12:52:46 <PleasingFungus> results from searching logs thus far: dpeg had some kind of idea for "clan-streaking" two years ago
12:52:59 <elliptic> have to leave now, will be back in a bit
12:53:22 <elliptic> yeah, figuring out a good implementation for that is hard
12:53:39 <elliptic> because clan composition can change during the first week of tourney
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12:56:45 <Lantell> 4tharraofdagon (L16 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 1086 (Depths:2)
12:57:08 <Lasty_> aw, I'm sad that the leave-Ru banner got moved to Lucy. I think it was more fun on Veh.
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12:57:55 <PleasingFungus> what was the theme when it was on veh?
12:58:59 <PleasingFungus> btw the relevant log was 20141229, I think (wrt preventing griefing during tournaments)
12:59:03 <Lasty_> "Veh wants a disciple so commited to destruction that the disciple destroys themself before destroying others" or something like that
12:59:14 <PleasingFungus> looks like the suggestion I was not-quite-remembering was a lastyism
12:59:16 <PleasingFungus> 12:27:45 <Lasty_> Did you say there were only a few thousand unique usernames? If so, it probably wouldn't be too hard to 1) manually set a "real user" flag on each existing account based on first game completed time, 2) automate adding the flag to all new first-time registrations, and 3) have an rcfile setting usable only by "real user"-flagged accounts that determine which other servers...
12:59:17 <PleasingFungus> ...are "real" for that username
12:59:21 <Lasty_> yep
13:00:01 <PleasingFungus> anyway, since elliptic has volunteered to manually police bad games, it's up to him to decide whether your solution sounds like less or more work
13:00:06 <Lasty_> heh, yep
13:00:14 <Lasty_> I don't envy him that
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13:02:47 <wheals> !learn e ebering s/9224, 9497, //
13:02:48 <Sequell> ebering[1/1]: bugfixes (patches on corresponding bugs): 9512
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13:18:22 <n1k> I don't imagine there will be a big problem with quit-griefing in the tournament. Were the "Active streaks" that were broken all long-idle ones or have there been instances when someone's streak was broken while they had been working on it recently?
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13:27:31 <twelwe> yo none thousand yall got a team yet
13:34:57 <twelwe> n1k
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13:35:34 <n1k> no I don't have one. Is gammafunk looking for teammates?
13:36:36 <twelwe> gammafunk nonethousand wants to know if you are looking for teammates
13:36:58 <gammafunk> uh
13:36:58 <twelwe> well hes not here so nope
13:37:04 <gammafunk> I'm to team with..
13:37:09 <gammafunk> filthy non-developers?!
13:37:30 <twelwe> yase
13:37:41 <wheals> twelwe dates a dev, at least
13:37:58 <n1k> gammafunk: call the dev team "your masters"
13:38:04 <twelwe> why you gotta bring up ancient history
13:38:05 <n1k> the dev team team
13:38:11 <gammafunk> excuse me, but it's presumptuous to even think that I would, as the HE fastest rune holder, be on your team even if I *wasn't* a Supreme Game Designer
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13:38:41 <twelwe> you wouldnt be on my team, we would be on yours
13:39:14 <gammafunk> !gamesby twelwe
13:39:15 <Sequell> twelwe has played 791 games, between 2011-09-29 15:54:40 and 2015-03-03 17:03:14, won 14 (1.8%), high score 4276150, total score 43573543, total turns 7579855, play-time/day 0:32:20, total time 28d+3:01:19.
13:39:24 <gammafunk> that winrate is atrociously high
13:39:25 <n1k> !lm * he-- rune min=turn
13:39:34 <Sequell> 12719. [2015-02-28 17:23:50] gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 7735. (Shoals:5)
13:39:34 <twelwe> thats a whole february playing this game
13:39:55 <n1k> okay that's really fast
13:39:56 <gammafunk> that game is still ongoing, but I have to win a spen
13:40:01 <gammafunk> !lm . hesu
13:40:03 <Sequell> 3631. [2015-02-28 18:32:26] gammafunk the Convoker (L12 HESu of Sif Muna) left the Vaults on turn 9950. (Vaults:1)
13:40:15 <gammafunk> dude has like no pots ided though, gonna be interestin' on v:5
13:40:33 <n1k> is your spen a speedrun?
13:40:44 <gammafunk> no, I'm pretty terrible at stabbers
13:41:03 <gammafunk> not sure I'd want to try speedrunning them, but MiBe speedrun was fun
13:41:12 <gammafunk> came pretty close to a ~35k mibe
13:41:28 <gammafunk> but I forgot how to melee an ice fiend
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13:41:55 <gammafunk> and I didn't buy that dang relec ring I should have, stupid blizzard 2
13:43:32 <gammafunk> I usually join a dev team and only do useless things during the t
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13:43:48 <gammafunk> like take credit for wheals' and bh's wins
13:44:23 <twelwe> its up to interpretation
13:44:53 <gammafunk> yeah, I deserved credit for bh wins since I told him what to do when he already knew anyhow, but he still asks
13:45:48 <Bloax> bh being bh as bh often does
13:47:39 <twelwe> * goatlike enough to be themselves goats, blowgoats are exactly what you would expect them to be.
13:48:15 <twelwe> god .17 is weird
13:49:53 <gammafunk> Not going in 0.17, sadly
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14:03:06 <twelwe> there are more idlers on cszo than active players
14:03:32 <wheals> the players are too lazy
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14:04:50 <twelwe> the game is too hard probably
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14:22:02 <wheals> ebering: looks like your patch on #9512 will probably deref you.weapon() even if it's null?
14:22:18 <ebering> wheals: oh it probably will
14:22:51 <ebering> yep
14:23:33 <ebering> well
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14:24:04 <ebering> it *shouldn't* in that is_launched is false if you.weapon() is null
14:24:18 <ebering> but it's bad style
14:24:26 <|amethyst> ebering:  huh?
14:24:41 <|amethyst> ebering:  is_launched is a function that takes your weapon as an argument
14:24:46 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: what is that blowgoats thing from? I want blowgoats to be a thing, now
14:25:09 <|amethyst> ebering:  so is_launched() will probably crash, not return false
14:25:11 <wheals> blowgoat of the assassin
14:25:46 <ebering> |amethyst: is_launched takes a pointer to your weapon and checks if its non-nul before dereferencing it
14:25:49 <|amethyst> ebering:  err, sorry
14:25:54 <PleasingFungus> elliptic: I found the tournament suggestion that I'd been talking about earlier; it's kind of complicated and I'm not sure it'd be simpler than manually squashing bad users for the tournament. search today's log for "a few thousand"
14:26:02 <|amethyst> ebering:  I was looking at check_warning_inscriptions
14:26:42 <PleasingFungus> n1k: the streaks that were broken were all the "ongoing" streaks displayed on cao at the time, both old & new streaks. several people were (understandably) quite upset.
14:26:43 <ebering> yea. I think I should still be skeptical of that patch though, since is_launched is not boolean (though other parts of the codebase sometimes use it as one)
14:26:43 <|amethyst> ebering:  hm
14:26:58 <|amethyst> ebering:  yeah, I think it would still be bad
14:27:09 <ebering> I'm thinking about math now, I can send a better one later today
14:27:14 <|amethyst> ebering:  because it returns true for javelins
14:27:33 <|amethyst> (and, yeah, the name is terrible given that it isn't returning a bool)
14:27:48 <ebering> should be == LRET_LAUNCHED
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14:28:51 <wheals> @??rust devil
14:28:51 <Gretell> rust devil (074) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 32-55 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 1207(corrosion) | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 455 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.
14:28:58 <wheals> @0.15?iron devil
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14:29:09 <Cheibriados> iron devil (104) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 29-58 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 401 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

14:29:09 <wheals> %0.15?iron devil
14:29:09 <PleasingFungus> was that a 0.16 change
14:29:17 <PleasingFungus> huh. how time flies
14:29:19 <wheals> checking whether the speedup was
14:29:25 <|amethyst> ebering:  hm... would also be nice if it didn't prompt you twice when both were inscribed, but I'm not sure of a good way to do that
14:29:38 <PleasingFungus> ah
14:29:51 <Cheibriados> iron devil (104) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 324 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

14:29:51 <Bloax> %0.12?iron devil
14:29:55 <PleasingFungus> speedup + weapons was 0.16, looks like
14:30:02 <PleasingFungus> er
14:30:03 <PleasingFungus> *0.15
14:30:26 <Cheibriados> iron devil (104) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 28-59 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 324 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

14:30:26 <Bloax> %0.14?iron devil
14:30:28 <Bloax> e y u p
14:30:53 <PleasingFungus> I have a vague feeling that some earlier monster should have flash freeze, so that someone might encounter it and find out what it does before antaeus/pan demonspawn nonsense
14:31:04 <PleasingFungus> maybe I should implement status information lookup first, tho
14:31:51 <PleasingFungus> (this is also part of that 'mechanics re-use' discussion)
14:32:19 <PleasingFungus> you could put it on a slow monster, by the same reasoning as torpor snails. it'd be a variant of them, really.
14:33:22 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: perhaps twelwe has an unhealthy sway over your sense of game design?
14:33:28 <gammafunk> who knows what he'll have you do!
14:33:47 <PleasingFungus> blowgoats are coming....(!?)
14:33:53 <gammafunk> oh my
14:34:04 <PleasingFungus> just as soon as I figure out what they do and/or are
14:34:23 <gammafunk> how do I stab elf:3 when I can't stab elf:3
14:34:54 <ebering> |amethyst: I'm not sure I agree. If I'm inscribing a launcher *and* ammo I probably want both questions
14:35:35 <|amethyst> hm... I'd rather ask both questions at once, but I guess that's a significant rewrite
14:35:49 <ebering> yeah
14:35:53 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cv=0.16
14:35:53 <Sequell> No games for * (cv=0.16).
14:35:55 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cv=0.16-b
14:35:56 <Sequell> No games for * (cv=0.16-b).
14:35:58 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:36:03 <gammafunk> 0.17-b?
14:36:06 <PleasingFungus> no
14:36:09 <gammafunk> oh ok
14:36:17 <PleasingFungus> !lg * src=cxc s=cv
14:36:17 <gammafunk> !kw current
14:36:18 <Sequell> 9471 games for * (src=cxc): 7500x 0.16-a, 1595x 0.15, 339x 0.17-a, 37x 0.14
14:36:18 <Sequell> Keyword: current => cv>=0.15
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14:36:22 <gammafunk> !kw trunk
14:36:23 <Sequell> Keyword: trunk => alpha !experimental
14:36:29 <gammafunk> oh that''s wrong now
14:36:32 <PleasingFungus> !lm * cv=0.16-b
14:36:33 <Sequell> No milestones for * (cv=0.16-b).
14:36:37 <PleasingFungus> oops
14:36:37 <|amethyst> !lg * v~~0.16-b*
14:36:38 <Sequell> No games for * (v~~0.16-b*).
14:36:41 <PleasingFungus> !lm * src=cxc s=cv
14:36:42 <Sequell> 74370 milestones for * (src=cxc): 60634x 0.16-a, 12292x 0.15, 1229x 0.17-a, 215x 0.14
14:36:43 <|amethyst> !lg * v~~0.16 s=v
14:36:44 <Sequell> 316294 games for * (v~~0.16): 316294x 0.16.0-a0
14:36:53 <wheals> uh oh
14:36:58 <PleasingFungus> very confused about what happens if you click the "DCSS 0.16" link on cxc
14:37:09 <minmay> PleasingFungus: considering that it is like -Swift maybe flash freeze should just give -Swift; is blocking further flash freeze casts really necessary?
14:37:10 <gammafunk> !kw current cv>=0.16
14:37:11 <Sequell> Defined keyword: current => cv>=0.16
14:37:11 <wheals> !lm * v~~16 s=v
14:37:14 <gammafunk> oh well
14:37:15 <Sequell> 1905580 milestones for * (v~~16): 1905580x 0.16.0-a0
14:37:16 <gammafunk> !kw current cv>=0.15
14:37:17 <Sequell> Defined keyword: current => cv>=0.15
14:37:21 <gammafunk> not released yet I guess
14:37:23 <|amethyst> perhaps snark hasn't added the milestone/logfiles to sequell yet?
14:37:34 <wheals> ah right
14:37:47 <PleasingFungus> minmay: a reasonable question; you get the same two issues that came up when I first implemented torpor snails as -swift monsters, tho
14:38:12 <PleasingFungus> (1) the game claims you're "hindered by the wind" (2) it prevents casting Swiftness
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14:38:42 <twelwe> pleasingfungus it was something i thought i fought in .17
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14:39:04 <PleasingFungus> what... what did you actually fight
14:39:07 <twelwe> all these new names, river rats, what have you, i thought blowgoats was one of them too
14:39:32 <wheals> PleasingFungus: two words: wind shrikes
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14:39:48 <PleasingFungus> that would be a good name
14:39:53 <minmay> PleasingFungus: (1) seems not particularly difficult to fix
14:39:53 <PleasingFungus> the blowgoat thing
14:39:55 <PleasingFungus> not the wind shrike thing
14:39:56 <PleasingFungus> no more shrikes!!!
14:39:58 <PleasingFungus> !lm . cxc
14:39:59 <Sequell> 2. [2014-11-05 17:18:14] PleasingFungus the Magician (L1 HuWz)  (D:1)
14:40:01 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:40:08 <PleasingFungus> oh
14:40:12 <wheals> yeah probably Sequell isn't looking for the files
14:40:15 <PleasingFungus> probably someone needs to set up getting milestones - ya
14:40:16 <twelwe> !lm . cxc
14:40:16 <Sequell> No milestones for twelwe (cxc).
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14:40:54 <PleasingFungus> minmay: sure. even (2) isn't necessarily a bad thing, though it is a little unkind
14:41:16 <|amethyst> http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/meta/0.16/milestones
14:41:51 <PleasingFungus> I was looking for 0.16-b1 games to try to find which servers had it running, but I guess that won't work yet
14:42:17 <PleasingFungus> would probably be good to have an announcement at least a week before the tournament
14:42:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  when they are up in sequell, remember that you need v not cv
14:42:43 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:42:50 <PleasingFungus> !lg * cxc x=v,cv
14:42:51 <Sequell> 9471. [v=0.17.0-a0;cv=0.17-a] McCoppin the Vexing (L2 DsWn), slain by a jackal on D:2 on 2015-03-04 20:30:00, with 18 points after 1269 turns and 0:04:15.
14:42:59 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo x=cv
14:43:00 <Sequell> 905183. [cv=0.17-a] toriag the Skirmisher (L3 GrFi), slain by Crazy Yiuf (a +2 quarterstaff of chaos) on D:2 (uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage) on 2015-03-04 20:42:20, with 46 points after 1144 turns and 0:02:44.
14:43:01 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo s=cv
14:43:03 <minmay> PleasingFungus: anyway, if you want an early flash freeze monster, why not sky or ice beast?
14:43:04 <Sequell> 905183 games for * (cszo): 155953x 0.12-a, 145280x 0.14-a, 127386x 0.13-a, 106218x 0.16-a, 92278x 0.15-a, 62098x 0.15, 55095x 0.11, 53051x 0.13, 48804x 0.12, 38050x 0.14, 17154x 0.11-a, 2615x 0.10, 1201x 0.17-a
14:43:05 <|amethyst> !lg * cszo s=v
14:43:08 <Sequell> 905183 games for * (cszo): 147970x 0.12.0-a0, 141651x 0.14.0-a0, 123035x 0.13.0-a0, 106218x 0.16.0-a0, 82296x 0.15.0-a0, 39490x 0.13.0, 37794x 0.12.1, 36291x 0.11.0, 27035x 0.15.2, 23039x 0.14.0, 22783x 0.15.0, 17154x 0.11.0-b1, 14346x 0.14.1, 12280x 0.15.1, 11724x 0.13.1, 10657x 0.11.1, 9982x 0.15.0-b1, 8124x 0.12.2, 7983x 0.12.0-b1, 6179x 0.11.2, 4351x 0.13.0-b1, 3629x 0.14.0-b1, 2615x 0.10.3, 1...
14:43:28 <PleasingFungus> minmay: tbh I think both of those monsters work pretty well as is. I was vaguely thinking about that boring ice 4
14:43:48 <minmay> really? I've never found sky/ice beasts to be dangerous
14:44:21 <wheals> blue devils have swoop, supposedly
14:44:27 <PleasingFungus> those aren't icey, tho
14:44:34 <PleasingFungus> also ya it's very obvious if you fight them
14:44:42 <PleasingFungus> minmay: I think they're perfectly respectable, for 10-speed melee monsters that can't open doors
14:44:44 <|amethyst> they do have rC+++ and rF-
14:44:46 <wheals> did you mean ice 3
14:44:49 <PleasingFungus> maybe
14:44:53 <minmay> blue devil is already much more dangerous than orange demon, rust devil, red devil, probably hellwing
14:44:59 <PleasingFungus> I don't know your console numbers!!!
14:45:01 <PleasingFungus> the one that's sort of a light pale blue
14:45:04 <wheals> this is ridiculous, you have the numbers in tiles!!
14:45:08 <PleasingFungus> they're tiny
14:45:10 <PleasingFungus> numbers for ants
14:45:16 <PleasingFungus> @??ice devil
14:45:17 <Gretell> ice devil (163) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 46-76 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1612(cold:11-32) | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 756 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.
14:45:17 <minmay> if you were thinking of ice devils yeah okay those are harmless atm
14:45:25 <PleasingFungus> ya, them
14:45:40 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent ikiller="ice beast" s=place
14:45:41 <Sequell> 5221 games for * (recent ikiller='ice beast'): 2134x D:5, 833x D:3, 758x D:6, 676x D:4, 270x D:7, 154x D:8, 122x D:2, 61x D:9, 47x IceCv, 35x D:1, 25x D:10, 25x D:11, 19x Lair:1, 18x Abyss:1, 14x Temple, 7x Lair:2, 4x D:12, 3x Orc:1, 2x Orc:3, 2x D:13, 2x D:15, 2x Orc:2, 2x Lair:4, Sewer, Snake:4, D:14, Lair:5, Lair:3, Lair:8
14:45:49 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent / ikiller="ice beast"
14:45:52 <PleasingFungus> !lg * recent / ikiller="sky beast"
14:45:52 <Sequell> 5221/937319 games for * (recent): N=5221/937319 (0.56%)
14:45:55 <Sequell> 4231/937319 games for * (recent): N=4231/937319 (0.45%)
14:45:56 <minmay> people die to goliath beetles and worms but that doesn't mean they are actually dangerous monsters...
14:45:59 <PleasingFungus> sure
14:46:09 <|amethyst> !lg * killer="ice beast" s=cv x=avg(dam)
14:46:10 <Sequell> 19050 games for * (killer='ice beast'): 2300x 0.14-a [11.76], 1888x 0.16-a [10.17], 1735x 0.13-a [12.79], 1564x 0.15-a [10.55], 1320x 0.10 [10.27], 1232x 0.15 [10.05], 1151x 0.9 [13.27], 814x 0.14 [10.1], 810x 0.5 [13.5], 798x 0.13 [10.43], 763x 0.4 [13.51], 704x 0.12 [10.4], 701x 0.7 [13.77], 672x 0.8 [13.37], 437x 0.10-a [12.32], 400x 0.6 [13.64], 341x 0.8-a [13.61], 297x 0.3 [0], 249x 0.9-a [13...
14:46:13 <PleasingFungus> worms & sky beasts are pedagogical, tho
14:46:18 <PleasingFungus> and ice beasts are summons
14:46:46 <twelwe> holy crap you need to own a dictionary to read what you guys write in here sometimes
14:46:48 <wheals> !lg * killer="ice beast" s=cv x=avg(sdam)
14:46:49 <Sequell> 19050 games for * (killer='ice beast'): 2300x 0.14-a [14.43], 1888x 0.16-a [12.87], 1735x 0.13-a [15.48], 1564x 0.15-a [13.3], 1320x 0.10 [12.92], 1232x 0.15 [12.63], 1151x 0.9 [13.75], 814x 0.14 [12.77], 810x 0.5 [0], 798x 0.13 [12.97], 763x 0.4 [0], 704x 0.12 [13.11], 701x 0.7 [0], 672x 0.8 [13.71], 437x 0.10-a [13.54], 400x 0.6 [0], 341x 0.8-a [13.49], 297x 0.3 [0], 249x 0.9-a [13.92], 203x 0.2...
14:46:59 <Bloax> ?
14:47:00 <|amethyst> why wouldn't you own a dictionary?
14:47:01 <PleasingFungus> twelwe: if you look up 'pedagogical', you might
14:47:03 <PleasingFungus> learn something
14:47:04 <|amethyst> also, wiktionary
14:47:05 <PleasingFungus> ;)
14:47:10 <minmay> PleasingFungus: yes, I would prefer changing sky beast since it is not a summon or used as trash in ice caves
14:47:12 <twelwe> cant have another browser window open
14:47:17 <twelwe> windows will crash
14:47:30 <minmay> PleasingFungus: it already makes rain for some goddamned reason so flash freeze doesn't seem like a big stretch
14:47:34 <PleasingFungus> heh
14:47:40 <PleasingFungus> mm. idk that I'd want to make it more complicated - it already has a pretty fancy set of gimmicks all on its own
14:47:46 <PleasingFungus> I guess I'm not completely set against it
14:47:52 <gammafunk> @??blue_devil
14:47:52 <Gretell> blue devil (024) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 14/10 | Dam: 21(swoop) | 05demonic, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 303 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.
14:47:58 <minmay> I meant to imply that you would remove the invis/rain thing, of course
14:48:03 <gammafunk> @??red_devil
14:48:03 <Gretell> red devil (054) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-41 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 19(kite) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, fly | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 319 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.
14:48:03 <minmay> since...it does nothing anyway
14:48:09 <PleasingFungus> it's pedagogical
14:48:13 <minmay> there are already orc wizards and sigmund to introduce players to invisibility
14:48:32 <minmay> i dont really think rain needs an early monster to introduce it
14:48:45 <PleasingFungus> both of those are hugely fucky, tho. sky beasts pop in and out often enough that it's really easy to tell that they do the exact same thing in and out of invisibility, which allows for tactics
14:49:01 <gammafunk> wow, hugely fucky
14:49:04 <PleasingFungus> the rain thing is goofy
14:49:05 <gammafunk> I'm going to think about that for a bit
14:49:09 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: good.
14:49:38 <PleasingFungus> @??orc wizard
14:49:38 <Gretell> orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 37 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d4), confuse / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.
14:49:45 <minmay> er...why would players assume that orc wizards and sigmund do something different when invisible?
14:50:31 <ebering> minmay: invis is for escaping in some other games...
14:50:39 <minmay> this is anecdotal of course, but monster invisibility is one of the few things I was able to understand unspoiled when I began playing, and that was long before sky beasts were added
14:50:39 <PleasingFungus> hell, it's an emergency spell sometimes :)
14:50:54 <wheals> does anyone mind removing the whole cards section from the changelog
14:51:09 <Bloax> player invisibility is of course an entirely different bag of fun
14:51:14 <wheals> and adding a list of new/removed to god section
14:51:34 <minmay> I just don't see how sky beasts do anything to teach invisibility that orc wizards/sigmund/etc don't, and orc wizards are actually interesting, dangerous monsters
14:52:01 <PleasingFungus> orc wizards have an absolute ton of stuff going on. sky beasts are relatively simple
14:52:03 <PleasingFungus> simplicity is valuable
14:52:11 <PleasingFungus> wheals: any particular reason?
14:52:30 <minmay> how the fuck does having extra, harmless monsters in the game make it simpler?
14:52:48 <wheals> !calc 56 / 336
14:52:48 <Sequell> 0
14:52:49 <wheals> er
14:52:53 <wheals> !calc 56.0 / 336.0
14:52:53 <Sequell> 0.17
14:52:54 <minmay> that's like...the opposite of simpler
14:52:59 <PleasingFungus> hi, minmay.
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14:53:30 <minmay> Bloax: yes, of course I was not able to figure out player invisibility unspoiled
14:53:34 <wheals> great
14:53:37 <minmay> Bloax: but that is entirely unrelated
14:53:58 <minmay> the only thing player and monster invisibility have in common is the effect on accuracy
14:55:44 <twelwe> we had this conversation 2½ years ago https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5564&p=74545&hilit=+sky#p74545
14:56:51 <minmay> !tell pleasingfungus https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3434
14:56:52 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
14:57:22 <chequers> sky beasts are an early source of mutagenic chunks
14:57:23 <twelwe> hellrats should leave an upsidedown cross for a corpse
14:57:32 <chequers> mutagenic chunks are a fun discovery
14:57:37 <minmay> !tell pleasingfungus "Plus, the resistances minigame is nice and complicated; there's no reason to make it easier."
14:57:38 <Sequell> minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
14:57:58 <minmay> chequers: can always make ice beasts leave mutagenic corpses instead
14:58:16 <ebering> It's really disorienting to read a twelwe post with capital letters in it
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14:59:08 <twelwe> i put alot of thought and time into gdd posts. had to stop it was taking so much time
15:00:34 <Bloax> Writing flawlessly without even putting thought to it is quite boring.
15:01:23 <twelwe> well i fart without putting thought into it and concentration wouldn`t make it more interesting
15:04:56 <chequers> nobody enters your bathroom with the expectation of good content
15:05:25 <wheals> speak for yourself
15:05:27 <twelwe> i have private accomidations
15:05:34 <twelwe> no one enters
15:05:58 <chequers> > Liberal Crime Squad is probably something you might enjoy. Was originally made by our dwarf fortress gods although it has been taken up by new hands since.
15:06:02 <chequers> Yeah, the project indeed great, but I refuse to play it due to the lack of sides it offers. I cannot choose the conservative side there, and being a traditionalist/conservative myself I refuse to disrupt traditional church weddings, do lgbt propaganda and so on.
15:06:43 <wheals> huh, i didn't know there were people working on it
15:07:29 <twelwe> as an anarchist i do all those things outside of vid games
15:08:29 <twelwe> fun fact: i used to lead protests for non-carbon based marriage with a band of robot suit wearing thugs. my steam profile has a pic of it
15:08:52 <Gretell> ldf (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_JEWELLERY) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1377 failed. (Zig:10)
15:09:07 <wheals> %git stone_soup-0.16
15:09:07 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-b1-11-ge22bfb1: Don't crash when trying to put on non-jewellery. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e22bfb11e3ec
15:09:12 <wheals> %git master
15:09:12 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-12-g54cf826: Don't crash when trying to put on non-jewellery. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54cf826b3053
15:10:18 <twelwe> heres one http://imgur.com/Iah1kuR
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15:13:06 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-12-gbbf3bf6: Hide Wizardry on \ (#9517). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf3bf6d324e
15:13:06 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-13-gd40dd61: Buff Gimble. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d40dd6161480
15:13:11 <_miek> are you the guy in the middle twelwe?
15:13:14 <Bloax> well i find violence very meaningless but does that prevent me from playing a game about the coldblooded slaughter of innocents
15:13:24 <wheals> maybe i should have pushed the cherry-picked from commits first
15:13:27 <twelwe> i think i took that photo
15:13:28 <wheals> nobody push to master
15:14:10 <minmay> wheals: why is cleaving blocked while confused in the first place
15:14:19 <twelwe> this one is me at the university of mn in 2004 http://imgur.com/PHXKY0S
15:14:20 <wheals> shrug
15:14:30 <wheals> nobody wants to buff mu!!
15:15:02 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-13-gb445273: Hide Wizardry on \ (#9517). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b44527389cbd
15:15:02 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-14-g7ecb49a: Buff Gimble. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ecb49aa19f8
15:15:02 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-15-g0155121: Fix title cropping woes (#9507). 10(52 minutes ago, 2 files, 26+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01551211df5a
15:15:04 <twelwe> i still rock those pants. they`re pink now
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15:17:04 <gammafunk> hey now, buff gimble?!
15:17:16 <gammafunk> we're not supposed to blatently encourage players to play trunk!
15:17:30 <wheals> don't worry, i cherry-picked it!
15:17:37 <wheals> now they can play 0.16 in peace
15:17:38 <gammafunk> oh so you did
15:17:39 <chequers> why not buff gyre too wheals
15:17:41 <gammafunk> well played
15:17:46 <gammafunk> +1
15:17:46 <wheals> gyre is OP imo
15:18:04 <wheals> gimble is where it's at
15:18:12 <gammafunk> or, buff gimble and debuff gyre
15:18:14 <gammafunk> for balance
15:18:32 <wheals> gammafunk: they weight the same, they're already balanced
15:18:33 <chequers> that would leave the weapon unbalanced
15:19:22 <gammafunk> no it cancels out, don't make me show you the calculus behind it
15:20:36 <wheals> Grunt: Napkin: can one of you update the branches on mantis for the release? (14 -> ancient, 15 -> old, 16 -> prerelease, 17 -> development, 18+ ->longterm development)?
15:20:53 <wheals> hmmmm, 18+ longterm development
15:21:01 <Napkin> necessary already?
15:21:07 <Napkin> will do, tomorrow
15:21:21 <gammafunk> Napkin: by the way, do you make windows with LTO=y?
15:21:22 <wheals> ah, it's not super important
15:21:35 <Napkin> not sure, gammafunk
15:21:40 <gammafunk> ok, probably not
15:21:44 <wheals> maybe i should add it to the release checklist, if it's not there
15:21:45 <gammafunk> I wonder if your mingw has ld.gold
15:21:56 <Napkin> mxe master
15:21:58 <wheals> or maybe we need more admins so we don't have to bug you two?
15:22:03 <gammafunk> Napkin: can you check that?
15:22:16 <wheals> is |amethyst an admin? he uses mantis more than any of us, possibly
15:22:23 <gammafunk> see which ld you have from that mxe master installation
15:22:36 <Napkin> busy right now
15:22:40 <Napkin> will let you now tomorrow
15:22:41 <gammafunk> ok, no problem
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16:12:23 <Sizzell> RandomusNamus (L1 VSAs) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3728: Invalid item: bread ration (D:1)
16:12:47 <Sizzell> RandomusNamus (L1 VSAs) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3728: Invalid item: bread ration (D:1)
16:13:30 <Sizzell> RandomusNamus (L1 VSAs) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3728: Invalid item: bread ration (D:1)
16:13:33 <gammafunk> hrm
16:13:40 <gammafunk> !crash x=xv
16:13:41 <Sequell> Unknown field: xv
16:13:43 <gammafunk> !crash x=cv
16:13:44 <Sequell> 20. gammafunk, XL21 HOFE, T:76738 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-gammafunk-20150208-172120.txt
16:13:48 <gammafunk> !crash *  x=cv
16:13:49 <Sequell> 10695. RandomusNamus, XL1 VSAs, T:0 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/RandomusNamus/crash-RandomusNamus-20150304-221310.txt
16:13:59 <gammafunk> !lg *  x=cv crash
16:14:00 <Sequell> No keyword 'crash'
16:14:05 <gammafunk> !lg *  x=cv crashed
16:14:06 <Sequell> No keyword 'crashed'
16:14:08 <gammafunk> huh
16:14:16 <|amethyst> lm
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16:14:52 <gammafunk> oh right
16:15:20 <gammafunk> Messages:
16:15:20 <gammafunk> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
16:15:20 <gammafunk> Thar 'sists a save by tha name but it appears ta be invalid!
16:15:21 <gammafunk> (Error: Tha save file (/crawl-master/crawl-git-54cf826b30/saves/RandomusNamus.cs) be empty!!!)!  Do ye want ta delete it?
16:15:53 <gammafunk> is that typical for a crash at t:0?
16:16:56 <|amethyst> no
16:17:08 <|amethyst> but probably unrelated
16:18:07 <|amethyst> since they must have answered 'y'
16:18:16 <|amethyst> "g - a +0 blowgun; a bread ration"  seems more relevant
16:18:27 <|amethyst> %rc RandomusNamus
16:18:28 <Sequell> http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/RandomusNamus.rc
16:19:28 <|amethyst> hm
16:19:42 <|amethyst> auto_assign_item_slots at startup time worries me
16:19:52 <|amethyst> !source ng-setup.cc:1225
16:19:52 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc;hb=HEAD#l1225
16:20:15 <|amethyst> that loop will place an item, possibly swapping with other slots, before the other slots are linked
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16:21:48 <|amethyst> yes
16:22:22 <|amethyst> I can reproduce by using   item_slot = blowgun:d  and starting an assassin
16:22:24 <|amethyst> aha
16:22:46 <|amethyst> and because it crashes on saving, the *next* time, I get that "is empty" message
16:23:06 <gammafunk> am I allowed to say wwwhhheeeaaalllsss
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16:26:28 <|amethyst> about to push a fix
16:26:47 <twelwe> good job
16:27:01 <|amethyst> BTW, re b44527389 and a bunch of similar logic elsewhere
16:27:06 <|amethyst> %git b44527389
16:27:06 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-13-gb445273: Hide Wizardry on \ (#9517). 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b44527389cbd
16:27:19 <|amethyst> we should have a single item_is_obsolete function
16:27:44 <|amethyst> (or two rather, one taking an item and one taking just an item class and subtype)
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16:31:06 <simmarine> what if i dropped my only wizardry ring in abyss and now i want to autopickup a new one
16:31:19 <n1k> !seen pleasingfungus
16:31:24 <Sequell> I last saw PleasingFungus at Wed Mar  4 20:53:03 2015 UTC (1h 38m 16s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]'.
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16:31:31 <Napkin> wheals: done - someone has to go through all tickets in "longterm development (0.18+)" and put the stuff todo in 0.17 to "0.17 development branch"
16:32:51 <Napkin> gammafunk: how do i check for ld.gold?
16:33:25 <gammafunk> Napkin: whereever you've installed the i686-w64-mingw32-* binaries
16:33:33 <n1k> !tell pleasingfungus Yeesh...yes that's a pretty nasty thing to do. I guess the best (long-term) solution is unified, inter-server accounts. (regarding quit griefing)
16:33:33 <Sequell> n1k: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
16:33:43 <gammafunk> one will be i686-w64-mingw32-gcc-ld.gold
16:33:45 <Napkin> i have i686-w64-mingw32.static-ld and i686-w64-mingw32.static-ld.bfd
16:33:54 <Napkin> nothing with .gold
16:33:55 <gammafunk> yeah seems not then
16:34:09 <gammafunk> Napkin: one question, which target do you use for crosscompile?
16:34:28 <gammafunk> which crosshost I mean
16:34:36 <gammafunk> is it i686-w64-mingw32-gcc or the other one
16:34:43 <gammafunk> er without -gcc
16:35:19 <Napkin> 1s
16:35:20 <gammafunk> anyhow, thanks for checking Napkin, I think Grunt might be able to help me get LTO anyhow
16:35:30 <gammafunk> thanks
16:36:30 <Napkin> gammafunk: nice make -j2 -C source CROSSHOST=i686-w64-mingw32.static CHOWN=true CHMOD=true USE_MERGE_BASE="${PRIMARY_BRANCH_REMOTE}" WIZARD=y package-windows
16:36:44 <Napkin> that's the line i use to create the installer build
16:37:05 <Napkin> USE_MERGE_BASE to ignore my local commits
16:37:05 <gammafunk> ok, cool, so yeah me switching to msx won't help with this problemm it seems
16:37:19 <Napkin> *mxe
16:37:22 <gammafunk> right, hehe
16:37:42 <Napkin> in any case, good luck with the build :)
16:38:07 <gammafunk> ty
16:38:18 <Napkin> i could do them, too, btw
16:38:36 <Napkin> but actually it's straight forward
16:38:47 <Napkin> and i always forget what extra files to add to a release
16:38:48 <gammafunk> yeah I've done them already (w/o LTO)
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16:39:07 <gammafunk> but maybe we will ask you if we don't get LTO working, since you actually have the sourceforge password
16:39:07 <Napkin> LTO (whatever it is) is desired/required now?
16:39:18 <gammafunk> right, I don't know how much we should care
16:39:27 <gammafunk> |amethyst: any thoughts on LTO=y being important or not?
16:39:29 <Napkin> what password?
16:39:47 <gammafunk> the crawl sourceforge password, Grunt and |amethyst do have it
16:40:01 <gammafunk> where we updload the files
16:40:06 <Napkin> i don't have that, i think
16:40:19 <Napkin> isn't it permissions based on sf accounts?
16:40:21 <gammafunk> oh, I guess we host the files on cdo
16:40:36 <Napkin> well, i have passwords for cdo, yes ;)
16:41:00 <Napkin> ping me when i can help
16:41:03 <gammafunk> yeah, I'll ping you when we tag release if we don't use LTO, Napkin, since obviously easier for you to upload to cdo
16:41:04 <Napkin> g'night o/
16:41:06 <gammafunk> ok thanks
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16:57:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  it's just optimisation
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16:59:10 <chequers> has anyone ever benchmarked the difference?
16:59:22 <|amethyst> probably kilobyte has
17:00:03 <|amethyst> I mean, it's a pretty major set of optimisations
17:00:07 <|amethyst> but it's not critical
17:00:17 <|amethyst> for example, CSZO has never built with USE_LTO
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17:00:28 <|amethyst> and it runs a lot more copies of Crawl at once than any Windows users do :)
17:00:59 <|amethyst> OTOH, it's beefier than many Windows machines, particularly laptops etc
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17:01:44 <|amethyst> also, campus closed yet again tomorrow
17:01:55 <|amethyst> fifth time this semester
17:02:00 <|amethyst> hopefully they cancel Spring Break
17:02:01 <chequers> ditto cpo
17:02:04 <|amethyst> I'm sure they won't though
17:02:19 <chequers> i would be interested to benchmark dcss though, sometimes the difference is negligible/negative
17:06:00 <|amethyst> I imagine most optimisation are negligible except for: 1. generating some levels (and there the excessive vetos are the real problem)  2. bots
17:06:30 <|amethyst> on a single-player machine that is
17:06:45 <gammafunk> yeah we veto so many generated levels because our vault placement algorithm  just isn't very ideal I guess
17:07:11 <|amethyst> particularly since, in offline builds, explore_delay is positive by default
17:07:23 <|amethyst> so even that isn't CPU-bound
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17:08:40 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-15-g0155121 (34)
17:09:03 <Bloax> if anything then i experience more lag from simply spamming input than anything else
17:09:20 <Bloax> for some reason offline crawl really hates me if i hold down a key
17:09:25 <|amethyst> hm
17:09:34 <|amethyst> I guess I wasn't considering CPU time spent in painting
17:09:45 <|amethyst> and redrawing
17:10:07 <|amethyst> but I don't know how much LTO would affect that
17:10:16 <|amethyst> maybe if SDL is compiled with LTO too?
17:10:43 <chequers> you're right though, crawl cpu only matters online/mobile, and even there the issue is marginal
17:10:44 <gammafunk> |amethyst: the error I got was from pcre so all of the contribs get compiled with LTO as well
17:10:51 <|amethyst> ah
17:10:55 <|amethyst> that's right
17:11:10 <|amethyst> is that statically linked on Windows?
17:11:14 <|amethyst> I imagine so?
17:11:20 <|amethyst> SDL2 that is
17:11:23 <gammafunk> think so, but good question
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17:16:45 <Grunt> yes
17:16:49 <Grunt> it is
17:17:17 <|amethyst> (I imagine we don't have LTO dynamic linkers yet, particularly on Windows)
17:18:12 <|amethyst> I mean, (dynamic-link)-time optimisation, of course you can LTO the dynamic library itself, but I mean across executable boundaries
17:18:14 <Grunt> also I remembered that sufficiently new versions of gcc (read: almost anything that can do C++11) has -fno-fat-lto-objects or whatever the modern equivalent is enabled by default anyway
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17:18:55 <Grunt> so I think what I've done in the past is just removed that flag from the Makefile >_>
17:19:13 <gammafunk> oh, but still use LTO=y?
17:19:13 <|amethyst> Grunt:  4.8 default to -ffat-lto-objects according to my manual
17:19:18 <Grunt> hm
17:19:21 <|amethyst> defaults
17:19:30 <gammafunk> yeah I cross-compiled with mingw based on 4.8
17:19:57 <gammafunk> 4.8.2
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17:20:28 <gammafunk> it has "--enable-lto" in the configure, fwiw
17:20:57 <wheals> seems like the error said it was upset that we had -fno-fat-lto-objects?
17:21:03 <|amethyst> yeah
17:21:04 <|amethyst> but
17:21:23 <|amethyst> with -fno-fat-lto-objects and a linker that doesn't support LTO you can't compile anything
17:21:41 <|amethyst> whereas, with -ffat-lto-objects and a linker that doesn't support LTO, AIUI you get a non-LTO binary
17:22:17 <wheals> and, and default ld can't do LTO?
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17:24:44 <|amethyst> yeah, or at least you need -fwhole-program since it doesn't support linker plugins
17:25:39 <|amethyst> probably those sections of the gcc manual are worth reading---they're not short
17:26:55 <|amethyst> the entry for -flto and the next several options (-fuse-linker-plugin -ffat-lto-objects)
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17:40:29 <Rotatell> HyperMorgan (L23 MfVM) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_JEWELLERY) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1377 failed. (Depths:4)
17:41:06 <|amethyst> rebuilding cbro
17:41:29 <|amethyst> eeebbbbeeerrriiinnnggg
17:41:32 <Sizzell> RandomusNamus (L1 VSAs) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3728: Invalid item: bread ration (D:1)
17:41:37 <|amethyst> except I committed it, so
17:41:40 <|amethyst> mmmeee
17:41:58 <Grunt> |||aaammmeeettthhhyyysssttt
17:42:05 <|amethyst> and rebuilding CSZO for the item_slot crash
17:43:44 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-15-g0155121 (34)
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17:44:48 <Grunt> gammafunk: so about building .debs
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17:45:10 <Grunt> fundamentally the tool you're using is debuild, but there is a lot of nuance
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17:45:45 <Grunt> mainly you need a debian/ directory with build directions, and the source tarball in a specific place
17:46:22 <Grunt> (you can mostly derive the former from past packages)
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17:52:38 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-15-g0155121 (34)
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17:58:49 <gammafunk> Grunt: alright, sounds reasonably straightforward
18:00:12 <Basil> hmm, has the lich no-sinv thing been fixed recently
18:00:36 <gammafunk> no I think not, I was surprised when an L seemed to not be able to see me when I was invis
18:00:45 <Basil> yes, that was unusual
18:00:48 <gammafunk> it still reports that they are sinv
18:00:52 <Basil> maybe it's a feature
18:01:17 <gammafunk> that's another thing we should fix
18:02:26 <gammafunk> yeah both Liches and ancient Liches can't actually see me, and both are reported being sinv
18:03:07 <MarvinPA> is that a ghost_demon thing
18:03:15 <|amethyst> yeah
18:03:16 <gammafunk> yeah, perhaps related to that
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18:03:38 <gammafunk> probably just have to give the ghost demon thingy sinv?
18:04:01 <elliptic> yes I'm currently testing that
18:04:32 <|amethyst> there are two separate bugs
18:04:33 <|amethyst> 1. that
18:04:53 <|amethyst> 2. that it apparently says "see invisible" based on the monster class rather than looking at the ghost_demon
18:05:02 <|amethyst> if xv reports it
18:05:07 <elliptic> yeah
18:05:16 <MarvinPA> i think that's deliberate-ish?
18:06:03 <MarvinPA> actually that still makes no sense, i was thinking about how random pan lords sometimes get sinv and sometimes don't but you can xv all of them for their resists anyway
18:06:16 <MarvinPA> so showing sinv there is no worse i guess
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18:06:49 <gammafunk> MarvinPA: oh, you'd like to maybe not show the resists of pan lords?
18:07:19 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07* 0.17-a0-16-gc0f6fd7: Give liches back their see invisible. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0f6fd7959ed
18:07:52 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-14-gf7db196: Give liches back their see invisible. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7db19670d12
18:07:53 <MarvinPA> oh also they just always see invis now anyway, i think i changed that at some point
18:08:14 <|amethyst> oh wait
18:08:15 <elliptic> I'll let someone else figure out the xv code I think
18:08:17 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^
18:08:18 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-15-g0155121: Fix title cropping woes (#9507). 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 26+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01551211df5a
18:08:20 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^^
18:08:20 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-14-g7ecb49a: Buff Gimble. 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ecb49aa19f8
18:08:22 <|amethyst> haha
18:08:28 <|amethyst> I never pushed that commit I thought I pushed
18:09:32 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-17-g2972493: Don't crash when item_slot swaps on startup. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2972493b9a1d
18:09:33 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-15-g2b76a7c: Don't crash when item_slot swaps on startup. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b76a7cb1082
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18:11:20 <|amethyst> oh
18:11:25 <|amethyst> if (mons_class_flag(mi.type, M_SEE_INVIS)
18:11:25 <|amethyst> || mons_is_ghost_demon(mi.type) && mi.u.ghost.can_sinv)
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18:11:32 <|amethyst> that's easy to fix anyway
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18:17:34 <|amethyst> hm
18:18:10 <|amethyst> though maybe now that liches are fixed, fixing the problem there could lead to it lying if the mon-info is stale
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18:18:53 <|amethyst> I guess stale monster info shouldn't be a big concern, AFAIK it only applies to out-of-sight remembered monsters on the map?
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18:39:41 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-18-gc25b939: Show sinv more correctly in xv. 10(14 minutes ago, 4 files, 15+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c25b939f36bf
18:39:42 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16-b1-16-g575848f: Show sinv more correctly in xv. 10(14 minutes ago, 4 files, 15+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=575848faae0b
18:40:19 <|amethyst> we should really think about something to consolidate logic between monster and monster_info
18:40:26 <|amethyst> not sure how though
18:41:00 <gammafunk> ??velocity
18:41:00 <Sequell> velocity[1/1]: Vorpal ranged weapons are suffixed with 'velocity'. It gives 20% bonus damage and does not overwrite the ammunition brand.
18:41:03 <|amethyst> short of stuffing a monster_info into class monster
18:41:10 <|amethyst> to replace most of the fields
18:41:46 <|amethyst> I don't think multiply-inheriting monster_info_base and actor would work too well in practice
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18:49:51 <gammafunk> well..
18:49:58 <gammafunk> !lg hilariousdeathartist
18:50:04 <Sequell> 2508. HilariousDeathArtist the Executioner (L23 HOAr of Trog), slain by a caustic shrike on Depths:5 on 2015-03-05 00:47:48, with 382892 points after 67768 turns and 3:48:53.
18:50:28 <gammafunk> !tell lasty !lg hilariousdeathartist hoar place=depths:5
18:50:29 <Sequell> gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know.
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19:02:02 <gammafunk> I swear to god, somehow gammafunk_lair_bear_cave is just placing a bunch
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19:04:33 <Henzell> deenrobin (L15 DEEn) ASSERT(mons->damage_friendly <= 2 * mons->damage_total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 358 failed. (D:14)
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19:06:53 <|amethyst> never seen that one before
19:07:10 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly
19:07:11 <Sequell> 10. [2015-03-05 01:04:31] deenrobin the Bewitcher (L15 DEEn of Sif Muna) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 358 failed on turn 49641. (D:14)
19:07:13 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly -2
19:07:15 <Sequell> 9/10. [2015-01-24 02:59:55] LiLin the Eclecticist (L18 DgWz) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 360 failed on turn 85277. (Shoals:4)
19:07:17 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly -3
19:07:19 <Sequell> 8/10. [2014-12-19 12:56:46] Uberwunderbarhen the Bewitcher (L17 SpEn of Ashenzari) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 360 failed on turn 50492. (Spider:2)
19:07:21 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly -4
19:07:24 <Sequell> 7/10. [2014-10-07 16:43:12] noobcanoe the Imperceptible (L23 VpNe of Ashenzari) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 359 failed on turn 77186. (Elf:3)
19:07:25 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly -5
19:07:33 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly 1
19:07:42 <Sequell> 6/10. [2012-01-16 14:51:31] Croases the Grappler (L15 TrWn of Nemelex Xobeh) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-stuff.cc' at line 755 failed on turn 36215. (D:16)
19:07:46 <Sequell> 1/10. [2011-03-19 00:14:33] murphyslaw the Backstabber (L18 KoAs of Okawaru) ASSERT(mons->damage friendly <= 2 * mons->damage total) in 'mon-stuff.cc' at line 783 failed on turn 53013. (D:18)
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19:08:44 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~damage_friendly s=rtime o=rtime
19:08:45 <Sequell> 10 milestones for * (crash noun~~damage_friendly): 20150205010431S, 20150024025955S, 20141119125646S, 20140907164312S, 20120016145131S, 20111013203903S, 20111013203647S, 20110509022303S, 20110219001538S, 20110219001433S
19:09:11 <|amethyst> so a few since october, after > 2.5 years without one
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19:51:04 <Cheibriados> Mara is not present in level annotation 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9518 by Sandman25
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20:12:25 <minmay> hey devs
20:12:34 <minmay> is this a good time for me to complain again about something ive been complaining about for years
20:12:53 <minmay> its not labs, abyss, another interface screw, circlelos, a species, or cTele
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20:14:33 <Lasty1> you're in luck. I was just saying that I'll grant the wish of the next person who speaks.
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20:23:07 <chequers> bh: get ontoclasm added as a contributor and show him the square required
20:23:11 <elliptic> bah, only 6... I had a pack of 7 in a recent game
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20:23:24 <gammafunk> did you walk into the middle and zerk?!
20:23:34 <Lasty> elliptic: bah, still weak. Need two packs merged together.
20:23:53 <gammafunk> need shrike zig level
20:23:54 <CanOfWorms> caustic slime shrike
20:24:05 <Lasty> Now I need to create a super orc priest. smite: 50-60. :p
20:24:10 <CanOfWorms> they can merge just like slime creatures
20:24:49 <elliptic> gammafunk: iirc I hasted and tried to melee them and almost died and had to teleport
20:25:01 <Lasty> yikes
20:25:06 <elliptic> gammafunk: then I came back and hasted and mighted and agilitied and tried to melee them
20:25:11 <elliptic> and almost died and had to teleport
20:25:14 <gammafunk> haha
20:25:15 <Lasty> 7 caustic shrikes should be enough to make almost any char run
20:25:36 <gammafunk> my first couple encounters involved ?vuln when it was clear melee was not viable
20:25:37 <elliptic> then I stopped exploring that level and just used two specific staircases to go through it
20:25:39 <CanOfWorms> make boggarts weight towards shrikes more often
20:25:41 <gammafunk> and I've done that twice this game as well
20:26:40 <minmay> Lasty: the complaint is, cantrip message are a dumb trap for unspoiled players. they should be replaced with "the orc wizard miscasts a spell"
20:27:20 <gammafunk> and then we get tavern complaints that monsters don't get miscast effects? I see your plan here
20:28:11 <CanOfWorms> the orc wizard is engulfed by a tear in reality!
20:28:51 <Lasty> minmay: man, too slow. I already had to grant gammafunk's wish.
20:29:01 <|amethyst> give cantrips a different colour
20:29:08 <|amethyst> or at least their own msgch
20:30:19 <gammafunk> @??curse_toe
20:30:19 <Gretell> curse toe (08z) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 14 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 25/1 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4769 | Sp: s.torment [06!sil], sum.mushrooms [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: high.
20:30:29 <minmay> Lasty: yeah but that one was more important anyway
20:31:16 <Lasty> I like the idea of giving miscasts their own color and then explaining it in the manual or something along those lines.
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20:48:07 <twelwe> why does ash say stuff like ``become joseph`` ??
20:48:25 <nicolae-> because ash wants you to try new things
20:48:53 <twelwe> except gear
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20:55:25 <minmay> !messages
20:55:26 <Sequell> No messages for minmay.
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20:57:16 <twelwe> damn dude that got ugly
20:57:23 <twelwe> i had no advice
20:57:48 <gammafunk> eh, didn't have much fun with that guy
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21:08:38 <Lasty> You can tell I'm a dev because I just found my 4th wand of heal wounds in the snake pit.
21:09:14 <gammafunk> The Pit of Healing
21:09:19 <chequers> type up up down down left right lef right r e m o v e m o u n t a i n d w a r v e s enter to access dev mode
21:09:29 <Lasty> well, not all 4 were in the pit.
21:09:36 <Lasty> but by the point I hit Pit:3 I had 4 of them
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21:20:17 <gammafunk> @??draconian_shifter
21:20:18 <Gretell> red draconian shifter (11q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 80-111 | AC/EV: 8/16 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1445 | Sp: dimension anchor, blink other, blink range, blink allies encircling, blink away [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high.
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21:46:46 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - 2972493 #1888 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/53126490
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22:11:11 <Rotatell> gressup (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_JEWELLERY) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1377 failed. (Vaults:5)
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22:24:19 <johnstein> !crashlog * cbro
22:24:20 <Sequell> 141. gressup, XL23 MiBe, T:87636 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gressup/crash-gressup-20150305-041104.txt
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22:29:22 <bh> ahoy crawldev
22:29:32 <ontoclasm> ahoy ahoy
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22:31:09 <bh> ontoclasm: what's your name on steam?
22:32:26 <ontoclasm> Doctor Lime
22:33:28 <bh> ok, added as a friend. Once you accept I'll make you a contributor and then you should be able to see the greenlight submission
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22:33:52 <ontoclasm> mm
22:33:55 <ontoclasm> done
22:34:21 <chequers> make a beautiful steam tile
22:34:30 <neunon> bh, just saw the thing
22:34:38 <bh> neunon: good...?
22:34:41 <bh> I hope
22:34:42 <Grunt> neunon lives o_O
22:34:46 <neunon> bh, yep, looking good :)
22:34:51 <neunon> Grunt, hello!
22:34:59 <ontoclasm> we should use uhm
22:35:00 <neunon> I live, I'm just so rarely paying attention to non-work IRC :(
22:35:02 <bh> I think I added all the devs and possibly some non-devs
22:35:10 <ontoclasm> that felid-vs-starcursed-mass thing
22:35:10 <bh> sometimes it's hard to map meat names to crawl names
22:35:26 <bh> like Florian Diebold. I forget if he's a dev
22:35:27 <ontoclasm> also the picture of the octopode
22:35:32 <Grunt> bh: that's edlothiol :)
22:36:17 <Grunt> crawlstonesoup has added you as a contributor on the Steam Greenlight
22:36:17 <Grunt> Contribution "Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup".
22:36:27 <bh> we should ask baconkid if we can use his art. He's been very friendly in the past
22:36:34 <ontoclasm> mm
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22:36:45 <ontoclasm> he might be willing to draw us something new, as well
22:37:30 <bh> Grunt: that gave you edit privs, right?
22:37:36 <Grunt> bh: looks like it
22:37:53 <neunon> bh, are those reviews legit or just placeholders?
22:38:06 <neunon> I honestly can't tell >_>
22:38:14 <twelwe> add me friends on steam http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197966545741/
22:38:22 <ontoclasm> what size should the steam icon be
22:38:29 <ontoclasm> looks like 512 x 512
22:38:43 <bh> twelwe: just send a request to crawlstonesoup, I'm inundated
22:39:20 <neunon> ontoclasm, I'd assume that it'd be a Windows icon library, so 512x512 for high res, 48x48 for desktop or something like that
22:39:58 <ontoclasm> neunon: yeah, but steam has some weird non-square sizes as well
22:40:10 <neunon> oh really? hmm
22:41:31 <bh> we also need better screen shots. The wrong sized ones look like garbage
22:42:21 <ontoclasm> what size do they need to be
22:42:26 <neunon> bh, yeah, they didn't downscale well for some reason
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22:44:37 <chequers> you need a square and a non-square version of the icon
22:45:00 <chequers> the non-square is used for when the game is installed and in other places like this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/checkers/myworkshopfiles/?section=greenlight
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22:47:18 <ontoclasm> i liked roctavian's suggestion to focus on purple as our like
22:47:23 <ontoclasm> logo color theme
22:47:39 * bh has no opinion on this
22:47:56 <neunon> i'd like to see mockups.
22:49:06 <ontoclasm> i'm certainly not an expert graphical designer or anything
22:49:26 <gammafunk> Grunt: so I can basically look at the previous deb packages and follow https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian and not expect too much hassle?
22:50:22 <gammafunk> hrm, I guess there's a signing key I'd need at some point
22:50:22 <Grunt> gammafunk: more or less
22:50:36 <Grunt> gammafunk: that's done when it ends up in the repository AFAIK
22:50:43 <gammafunk> oh ok, great
22:51:51 <gammafunk> I'm thinking maybe we just have nap.kin make the windows packages w/o LTO since it's not clear to me that it's really necessary
22:52:17 <gammafunk> I can build them fine w/o LTO, but nap.kin can as well and he's runing the server they'll go to
22:52:41 <bh> repositories -- are we moving to github?
22:52:43 <gammafunk> although maybe I should try lto in msys
22:53:06 <gammafunk> what are our other choices?
22:53:17 <gammafunk> someone mentioned that there's a free gitlab (but no one uses it)
22:53:18 <bh> perforce ;)
22:53:54 <gammafunk> oh, they're advertising it pretty aggressively on their site
22:53:58 <gammafunk> maybe it's just so new
22:54:24 <gammafunk> "Unlimited private and public repositories "
22:55:02 <gammafunk> oh, and "* In the future we might charge for projects over 5GB"
22:55:11 <gammafunk> so it seems that the space limits might not be a proble
22:55:17 <gammafunk> *problem
22:55:26 <gammafunk> unless we go fully 3D and start taking up exobytes
22:55:49 <ontoclasm> do it
22:55:55 <gammafunk> that will be a bh commit for sure
22:56:00 <ontoclasm> 15,000,000 polygon sigmund model
22:56:16 <ontoclasm> photorealistic ugly things
22:56:17 <n1k> full 3D crawl is the future...a long term goal
22:56:19 <gammafunk> the detail on his scythe will be incredible!
22:56:23 <bh> lay off man, some of my commits make sense
22:57:02 <gammafunk> bh: hey that domino stuff was cool it just like...took me 45 mins to understand what it even did
22:57:22 <ontoclasm> one day i'll manage to build a tileset that uses it :C
22:57:32 <ontoclasm> dis really needs a new tileset
22:57:47 <gammafunk> bh * implement the algorithm in the following arxiv paper http://...
22:57:56 <gammafunk> ^ bh commit
22:58:16 <Grunt> !learn add bh <bh> some of my commits make sense
22:58:16 <Sequell> bh[9/9]: <bh> some of my commits make sense
22:58:32 <gammafunk> more than some can say...
22:58:43 <bh> ontoclasm: if I had the time, I could just implement some texture synthesis algorithm and expand your tiles into a domino set automagically
22:58:53 <ontoclasm> hm
22:59:17 <gammafunk> would wall tiles really be amenable to that?
22:59:19 <bh> http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/69770/tr-2000-32.pdf chaos mosaics
22:59:24 <bh> gammafunk: it depends
23:01:45 <n1k> awesome link
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23:05:55 <gammafunk> bh: the results aren't bad, I only wonder if the wall tiles are too small for the local effects in starts from to "propogate" well
23:06:41 <gammafunk> s/local effects/subareas with local features/ since maybe that's saying it more clearly
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23:13:07 <PleasingFungus> hm
23:13:09 <PleasingFungus> is dcss on greenlight now
23:13:38 <ontoclasm> it's invisible
23:13:58 <PleasingFungus> huh
23:14:00 <PleasingFungus> also whoever runs the dcss steam account didn't accept my friend request, which is v rude, imho.
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23:19:25 <chequers> ~.
23:19:34 <chequers> oops
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23:21:01 <chequers> bh ^
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23:23:50 <Ajsh> anyone know how to install trunk version on ubuntu without building it from source?
23:23:52 <twelwe> i can`t wait to get all the steam achievements
23:24:15 <PleasingFungus> "now that's a pie" - eat 27 pieces of pizza
23:24:33 <ontoclasm> Ajsh: you're at the whims of whomever builds packages for the debian repository
23:24:42 <ontoclasm> *ubuntu
23:25:12 <Ajsh> whims?
23:25:27 <twelwe> plural of whim
23:25:33 <ontoclasm> basically they'll update when they feel like it
23:25:50 <ontoclasm> and are probably way behind
23:26:21 <PleasingFungus> I have no idea how building for linuxes works. don't we have one we distribute on the site
23:26:23 <PleasingFungus> or is that not a thing
23:26:23 <Ajsh> whenever i need to build anything from source on linux something goes wrong
23:26:54 <ontoclasm> have you tried it? building crawl is fairly easy
23:27:06 <PleasingFungus> I sympathise with ajsh's concerns here
23:27:09 <ontoclasm> i built it on ubuntu ages ago
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23:29:17 <Henzell> tgcid9999 (L19 TeSu)  (Depths:1)
23:29:19 <Ajsh> yes i did
23:29:42 <Ajsh> but i'm not that familiar with it
23:29:51 <Ajsh> i just ran make, make instal
23:29:57 <Ajsh> and blam, some error
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23:33:33 <chequers> try just running make then ./crawl
23:33:40 <chequers> play out of the source directory rather than installing system-side
23:37:31 <Ajsh> i'll try, but i'm afraid even make alone doesn't work
23:37:48 <Ajsh> where can i download the source?
23:38:33 <chequers> $ git clone https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git
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23:43:44 <PleasingFungus> did you run git submodule update --init
23:44:34 <Ajsh> i'm downloading the source
23:44:39 <Ajsh> shitty connection here
23:46:18 <ontoclasm> at the very least we can't havea crappier steam logo than tome
23:46:59 <minmay> you can use that one i made with the gears of DCSS development
23:47:46 <ontoclasm> gears of war clone
23:48:13 <minmay> http://i.imgur.com/wG3hXjr.png originally a splash screen. it depicts the constantly turning gears of open game development
23:48:19 <Ajsh> crawl is going to steam?
23:48:28 <PleasingFungus> it's terrifyingly possible, yes
23:48:45 <ontoclasm> crouch behind waist-high walls and refactor the acquirement code
23:48:45 <Ajsh> that would be great
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23:55:35 <ontoclasm> what's the... i dunno, aesthetic we'd want
23:56:00 <PleasingFungus> ideally it would be consistent with the game's overall aesthetic. unfortunately, we're completely inconsistent
23:56:02 <chequers> minmay: there might be some slight problems using that on steam
23:56:07 <PleasingFungus> well, it could be worse...
23:56:35 <chequers> crawl is: po-faced except when it's not, gory except when it's not, arcadey except when it's not, ...
23:56:47 <PleasingFungus> po-faced is a good term
23:56:56 <chequers> isn't it!
23:57:57 <Ajsh> akefile:1585: recipe for target '.contrib-libs' failed
23:57:57 <Ajsh> make: *** [.contrib-libs] Error 2
23:58:16 <chequers> what commands did you run after git clone?
23:58:36 <Ajsh> submodule update --init
23:58:36 <minmay> ??fanfiction
23:58:36 <Sequell> fanfiction[1/9]: "Celestial Star-Crossed Lovers Eternal", by Wensley: http://i.imgur.com/AlHocTv.png
23:58:37 <Ajsh> make
23:59:17 <chequers> can you pastebin the full output?