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better to do 11:35:10 penis[2/2]: What people search for on http://lookupdb.guy.ht/ when they have nothing better to do 11:38:04 i thought the DCSS crowd might at least have some level of maturity but apparently not. Fixed the issues with http://lookupdb.guy.ht/, it now only stores valid searches in the stats and is a bit more robust to crashes, but penis still makes it to the top of the list 11:39:04 <|amethyst> mrwooster: hm... might be better if it replaced _ with space 11:39:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:40:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:41 it kinda works the other way round… when you search for something with a space, it auto adds ‘_’ in the response from the server…. either way I need to make it consistent 11:41:38 <|amethyst> mrwooster: there, pushed 'penis' off the top 10 :) 11:42:06 :) 11:42:09 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:42:09 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:43:15 im sure this has been discussed before, but has a move to github ever been considered? On the surface, woulnt it make contributing and raising issues much easier for the average developer? Also, pull requests... 11:43:19 <|amethyst> mrwooster: oh, also it would be nice to link URL-looking things 11:43:27 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:33 ye, thats on the list :) 11:43:59 <|amethyst> mrwooster: we have some linkification js in our webserver/static/scripts/contrib/ 11:44:03 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:44:40 <|amethyst> mrwooster: it has been considered... we went with gitorious originally because at the time we couldn't use github for free (our repo was too big) 11:45:43 <|amethyst> I'm not sure whether anything would really block us from using it as our primary repo now... maybe source tarballs? 11:46:09 https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-my-disk-quota/ 11:46:11 <|amethyst> mostly that everyone would have to change their repos (though we could keep a gitorious clone I guess) 11:46:16 looks like it woulnt be an issue now 11:46:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:47 ye, it would def be some work, but the nice thing about git is that you can move across slowly 11:47:17 setup an active git repo, and accept pull requests, but the gitorious one can still be active 11:47:20 <|amethyst> there's already a R-O github clone of our repository 11:47:30 <|amethyst> mrwooster: they can't both be writable though 11:47:36 <|amethyst> mrwooster: or we'd get out of sync 11:47:49 <|amethyst> so at least all the devs would have to switch over 11:47:55 <|amethyst> which isn't *that* big a deal 11:47:56 ye, good point 11:48:36 <|amethyst> !learn add github Read-only clone of our repository on github: https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref 11:48:36 github[1/1]: Read-only clone of our repository on github: https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref 11:48:37 having gone through the process myself… as a dev without commit access, putting patches together is a pain, but a github pull request is super easy 11:48:52 <|amethyst> mrwooster: gitorious has merge requests, which are pretty similar 11:49:05 <|amethyst> mrwooster: but then you have to use gitorious's UI... 11:49:19 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:49:25 <|amethyst> and deal with its slowness 11:49:25 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:50:11 yes, i checked those out… the issue I have is that 1 - you have to have a gitorious account (almost everyone has a github acct alread), 2 - the interface on github is way more mature 3 - by the looks of it, the pull requests are not merged that often and patches in mantis is still the favoured way to push changes 11:50:37 if the effort was made to make the switch to pull requests, then i think it would make sense to also move to github 11:54:22 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:26 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 11:57:52 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00:25 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:04:13 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:12:46 -!- tgcid9999_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:30 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:17:40 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:24:34 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:18 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:20 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:01 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:32:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:35:19 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:37:23 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:31 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:41:06 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:49 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:55 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:45:11 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:46:04 -!- mrwooster has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:46:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:11 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47:49 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:22 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:06:43 -!- ayayaya has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:13:07 -!- Reihar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:16:35 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:37 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:24 -!- rophy has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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15:55:01 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:56:29 !learn del homo 15:56:30 Deleted homo[1/1]: see {penis[1]} 15:56:52 you can add it if you like, but people will probably just spam that instead 15:58:01 <_miek> part of the problem is it counts each search as a new entry, instead of doing it once per IP or something 15:58:28 <_miek> the entry doesn't even have to be valid to show up in the "popular searches" 15:58:49 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:58 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:01:58 it does now 16:02:35 are they trying to spell out "minmay sucks penis" now 16:03:09 -!- orneryos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:28 no, i guess it's just "butt quokka sucks penis" 16:04:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:19 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:13:01 ??sucks 16:13:02 vp[1/5]: Vampires can't starve to death (or eat!), they gradually change, depending on blood level: see vp[2]. They can turn into vampire bats after xl3, bottle blood from normal/contaminated corpses after xl6, meld cursed equipment for batform at xl10. Vp start with SInv and sharp teeth 3, so they can randomly drink blood from living foes in melee. 16:13:07 !learn del sucks 16:13:08 Deleted sucks[1/1]: see {vp} 16:15:09 ye, stats are only counted if its a valid search 16:15:10 mrwooster: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:15:34 !messages 16:15:34 (1/2) buttsGDRbadwiki said (10m 20s ago): have you considered manually assembling a list, or other representation, of good and helpful search queries instead of trusting your users to both search for helpful things and not abuse the service? 16:15:49 !messages 16:15:50 (1/1) buttsGDRbadwiki said (9m 6s ago): i sort of believe that would work way better for users and other parties involved (oh and a way to get recent trunk data from `monster` instead of last stable would be a nice thing to have in the future) 16:17:19 !tell buttsGDRbadwiki if someone can suggest a list of helpful search queries, I will put it up, but not sure what would be on the list 16:17:20 Sorry mrwooster, I don't know who buttsgdrbadwiki is. 16:18:25 my favorite searches were "is minmay the kwisatz haderach" and "is gammafunk ultra hitler" 16:19:46 ye, i should have guessed something like that would happen. Im hoping that over time, the silly searches will get outrun by actual useful ones 16:19:46 yes 16:22:20 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:35 i can manually remove terms, so just going to do that until they get outpaced by others 16:25:48 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:41:41 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:41:55 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:55 how about expiring hits after 24/48/x hours? 16:42:31 single terms wouldn't get stuck so much that way, and hopefully the trolls would not be dedicated enough to do it every day 16:42:56 ye, but on the flipside, it takes less hits to get something to the top 16:43:13 if the top 10 searches all have 10,000+ hits, then its going to be super hard to push something else up there 16:43:29 the other option is that I just make it a permanent list of hand picked searches 16:43:33 yeah...which also means they will become obsolete as crawl changes 16:43:49 and still stay there for a long time 16:44:19 do they change a lot tho? 16:44:45 the entry contents change pretty frequently at least 16:44:59 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:01 actually, which entries are important changes a lot since trunk changes a lot 16:45:11 yes, that's what i'm talking about 16:45:13 entries are cached for 24hs btw 16:45:14 so you might see lich at the top because randliches was merged recently 16:45:29 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:30 might reduce that a bit 16:45:48 ?/too_hard 16:45:48 No matches. 16:45:53 ?/minmay 16:45:54 Matching terms (3): minmay, minmay_is_trying_too_hard, minmay_reasons; entries (49): autoexplore_deaths[2] | autoexplore_deaths[3] | cerebov_strategy[3] | challenge[5] | dpeg[6] | embarrassing_deaths[11] | erocrawl[4] | fanfiction[4] | forum[5] | funny_messages[13] | glasses[2] | glasses[5] | go_sif[1] | great_near_misses[7] | greatrace[1] | greatrace[2] | greatrole[1] | greatsling[2] | guru_wisdo... 16:46:01 !learn del minmay_is_trying_too_hard 16:46:02 Deleted minmay is trying too hard[1/1]: will you asswipes stop spamming this thing i have nothing to do with it whatsoever 16:46:14 ??go_sif 16:46:14 go sif[1/1]: go minmay 16:46:19 !learn del go_sif 16:46:20 Deleted go sif[1/1]: go minmay 16:46:48 ??minmay_reasons 16:46:49 minmay reasons[1/1]: you want to have sexy elf dreams 16:46:57 i guess another way to do it would be to introduce some sort of decay… so terms loose points as time goes on 16:46:58 I'll let the subject delete that one or not 16:47:20 im going to remove the number of hits on the popular searches being displayed, its causing too much trolling 16:47:40 gammafunk: I didn't add that one 16:47:45 yeah, and the change to show actual entries was a huge help already 16:47:53 !learn del minmay_reasons 16:47:53 Deleted minmay reasons[1/1]: you want to have sexy elf dreams 16:48:04 gammafunk: i kinda liked it though :( 16:48:19 ??mikee guide 16:48:19 mikee guide[1/3]: It's 1996 and you drop your magic cards deck while trying to ollie off the railing next to the football field, scuffing your vans and dropping your discman and scratching your copy of "Portrait of an American Family." 16:48:30 ??minmay[$ 16:48:30 minmay[18/18]: im too lazy to go get a bowl so im eating oatmeal by tipping the cardboard tube into my mouth 16:48:38 oh, still 18 16:48:54 minmay: well consider it revenge for deleting the original gammafunk entry 16:51:16 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:53:08 maybe I should make more comics 16:56:06 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:24 ok, i have remove the actual count from popular searches https://lookupdb.guy.ht 16:56:43 for those who care, you can still see the numbers at https://lookupdb.guy.ht/stat 16:57:26 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57:28 ...deenrobin 16:59:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:18 i feel pretty bad for starting all of this 17:01:25 i just wanted to troll minmay a little 17:02:02 -!- Boss25 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:03:01 this is going on your permanent record 17:03:07 also, i read "tournament prize fund" on CRD as "tournament pizza fund," which seems like a way better idea 17:05:03 "The first use of Gozag’s potion petition is now free." that's some full on drug dealer shit there 17:05:39 don't call it a drug, it's a lifestyle 17:06:50 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-4112-g89a4107 (34) 17:07:00 i like this "rupert has servitor" idea on tavern 17:07:02 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:04 have an "official touranment party host" thinger, send pizzas to vt100 labs at college campuses across the world 17:09:22 hah, yeah I was pretty confused when I first read that 17:09:22 well at first I read "rupert's summoning bros" or something like that 17:09:22 then I figured who the OP meant when I read servitor 17:10:05 people keep using that phrase "vt100 lab" 17:10:26 do they exist these days? 17:10:47 gammafunk: we had some off-brand dumbterminals in my computer science club in undergrad (the dark days of 2012) that we kept around for the coolness 17:11:09 presumably there are enough existing that true console jockeys could build a vt100 lab and revive the glory days 17:11:28 ic 17:13:23 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:15:55 -!- rgould has quit [Changing host] 17:16:29 <|amethyst> someone needs to make a VTXXX with xterm-style 256colour support 17:16:48 and unicode 17:17:03 <|amethyst> I guess these days you'd use an embedded Linux system with xinit -- xterm on startup :/ 17:17:25 no no no no no 17:17:28 <|amethyst> err, xinit xterm I guess (misremembered the order of client and server) 17:17:33 you'd port plan9 because you are a True Believer!!!! 17:19:18 <|amethyst> FR: port Crawl to RIP graphics 17:19:22 minmay: what happened to minmay_guide 17:19:22 <|amethyst> make a door 17:20:41 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:22:43 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:04 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:07 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 17:25:28 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:27:22 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:27:59 -!- Gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:04 -!- nevodka has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:50 wheals: someone deleted it 17:28:52 er 17:28:56 !tell wheals someone deleted minmay guide 17:28:56 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:57 minmay: OK, I'll let wheals know. 17:31:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:11 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 17:34:04 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:18 bastards 17:35:21 i'm sure you can add it back if you want 17:35:57 minmay[2-3] is probably more of a minmay guide than minmay_guide though 17:36:13 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:36:31 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:55 any good crawl news going on in here? 17:36:56 twelwe: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:37:02 !messages 17:37:03 (1/2) minqmay said (about 1y 6w 3h 9m 34s ago): jesus christ what the fuck is he on 17:37:12 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:23 ah yes, good one minmay, what is he on? 17:37:26 !messages 17:37:27 (1/1) wheals said (1w 2d 1h 40m 1s ago): 2277. More undead food items: undead pizza slices, pizza lich. Also pizza golem, pizza elemental, pizza spore, wandering pizza 17:37:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:43 okay everyone thanks for the news 17:37:49 cya 17:37:51 -!- twelwe has quit [Client Quit] 17:38:29 !tell twelwe you missed the tournament pizza fund 17:38:30 wheals: OK, I'll let twelwe know. 17:39:05 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40:00 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:35 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:43:30 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 17:44:51 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:45:52 <_miek> rofl (about 1y 6w 3h 9m 34s ago): 17:47:33 -!- BuddyChrist is now known as kunwon1 17:55:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:45 "New branches or replacing branches is pointless. So much work went into the Forest and it was the best and most balanced branch in the game and all that work went down the toilet because one of the devs threw a hissy fit" 17:56:24 <|amethyst> someone confused "because" and "so" 17:56:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:56:44 -!- RoyalJelly has quit [Quit: :wqa[ll]!] 17:56:46 bcadren confused?! 17:57:10 <_miek> was the verdant rune supposed to replace golden? 17:57:39 <|amethyst> verdant? 17:57:47 so whyw as forest removed? 17:57:47 I guess a forest rune? 17:57:50 afaik a rune was not planned for that branch, any more than for crypt that it was supposed to alternate with? 17:57:52 rast: did you ever try playing it 17:57:57 minmay nope 17:58:21 <|amethyst> there is a "mossy rune" in the code 17:58:33 fr elven rune 17:58:39 <|amethyst> but it has AFAIK never actually generated, even in pre-DCSS 17:58:40 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:45 |amethyst: can I quote you on tavern 17:58:46 <|amethyst> maybe I'm wrong about the latter 17:59:18 <|amethyst> minmay: the "because" and "so" thing? 17:59:22 <_miek> ??verdant 17:59:22 I don't have a page labeled verdant in my learndb. 17:59:24 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:24 <_miek> ??verdant rune 17:59:25 I don't have a page labeled verdant_rune in my learndb. 17:59:28 <_miek> hmmm 17:59:28 |amethyst: yes 17:59:31 <_miek> maybe I'm confused 17:59:45 <_miek> I remember that now though, you could find Tomb in forest 18:00:07 forest was the replacement for crypt so yeah :v 18:00:21 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:00:32 <_miek> my first character to ever get that far in the game did it when forest was a thing, so he entered it and then later left 18:00:44 <_miek> too early on for me to recognise any problems with it 18:00:50 <|amethyst> minmay: I kind of feel bad towards kb about agreeing with "hissy fit", but I guess 18:00:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:14 |amethyst: all right, I won't then 18:01:28 maybe I'll just thank him ironically 18:01:53 <|amethyst> minmay: how about: the removal caused the drama, not the other way around 18:01:59 <|amethyst> I'm happy with calling it "drama" 18:02:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:02:09 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:19 according to badwiki, many of the featuers form forest were moved to other branches 18:03:26 yes 18:03:28 satyrs 18:03:30 sojobo 18:03:37 I think water nymphs? 18:03:39 interesting list 18:03:41 maybe mangroves 18:03:43 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:53 !kw forestdisp 18:03:54 Keyword: forestdisp => cv>=0.14-a start>=20140128 18:03:54 possibly spriggan druids 18:04:07 that's the forest dispersal 18:04:18 and it was all unique forest monsters that weren't outright removed, yes 18:04:30 how about the geography/layout? 18:04:35 -!- rgould has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:36 layout is unused 18:04:40 but it wasn't a great layout 18:04:44 or the F:5 vaults? 18:04:50 well imo at least, prone to breaking vault placement 18:04:51 <_miek> it would've been pretty awful for EE 18:04:58 those were readded to depths 18:05:03 <_miek> I know this because the spriggan forest level of depths is awful for EE 18:05:05 I reworked mine entirely, but most still exist 18:05:12 spriggan forest wasn't in forest though 18:05:25 <_miek> no but the idea of a fully forest level 18:05:30 %git mossy_rune 18:05:31 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2161-g99bf287: Massively increase the loot in Forest end vaults. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 30+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99bf287efe70 18:05:32 <_miek> filled with high EV monsters 18:05:33 btw 18:05:36 %git mossy_rune^ 18:05:36 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2160-g6b6700d: Drop ex-vault tags from Forest entries. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b6700db7568 18:05:38 %git mossy_rune^^ 18:05:38 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2159-g639f801: Reduce the weight of the dummy Forest entry. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=639f80111dfc 18:05:42 %git mossy_rune^^^ 18:05:42 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2158-g7d3e698: Don't list Vaults on ^O if Forest has been seen. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d3e698cc7b4 18:05:43 well yes, but people were talking about thelayout 18:05:52 the forest encompass wasn't similar to the layout all that much 18:07:01 ??forest 18:07:01 forest[1/1]: Wood walls are unique to this branch. As the name tells, spriggans keep the verdant rune of Zot here. Don't try to get it unless you are _very_ careful, or you will die in 10 turns. Deprecated branch, no longer appears. 18:07:21 haha, what is that 18:08:00 nice badlearndb entry 18:08:03 http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ 18:08:59 greatly increased the hit point of Angel and Daeva (Angel regenerates too); you lose piety if they die, so they should be tough 18:09:11 trickster 18:09:20 he must mean the summons I gues 18:09:20 s 18:09:24 the big room 18:09:35 they didn't appear elsewhere back then 18:11:31 Condensation Shield spell does not break your potions unless you are vulnerable to cold 18:11:32 Sigmund is now slow 18:11:33 how kind 18:11:46 the game is not fair if the first ogre you see has HP 40 18:11:50 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:01 centaur (warrior) is at the normal speed; yaktaur (captain) is fast 18:13:16 what version is this based off? 18:13:30 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: pre-DCSS 18:13:33 ah 18:13:34 <|amethyst> oh 18:14:13 <|amethyst> 1:4.0.0beta26-4.10 18:14:57 same as DCSS then 18:15:08 Local Global 18:15:09 <|amethyst> yeah 18:15:12 cute name 18:15:37 heh, summon (giant newt) dragon 18:15:45 <|amethyst> there are three major branches off 4.0.0beta26 18:15:52 <|amethyst> 4.1, which was never finished 18:15:57 <|amethyst> crawl-alternative 18:15:58 <|amethyst> and DCSS 18:16:00 neat 18:16:19 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:16:30 ??local global 18:16:30 local global[1/1]: A level 8 Tloc spell in {crawl alternative}, swaps a LOS-sized circle around you with that around a chosen location: features, monsters, clouds, anything but you. 18:16:50 very secret tech 18:16:51 The beast summoned by you with the silver horn of Geryon is charmed (to prevent the "generate a hostile beast, shoot it with a crystal spear and gain piety" macro). 18:16:55 "Borgnjor's Revivification heals magic contamination, temporary stat loss, poison, rot, confusion, slowness, disease, paralysis, temporary max HP loss and all mutations except demonspawn ones" 18:17:00 almost as powerful as hillbilly sting, that 18:17:01 <|amethyst> (and crawl-ref, which only made build system changes, but that merged with dcss) 18:17:09 <|amethyst> %git d5e5340c 18:17:10 07greensnark02 * d5e5340c3926: Integrated travel patch as of 20060727 10(9 years ago, 106 files, 20221+ 2297-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5e5340c3926 18:17:17 <|amethyst> first DCSS commit 18:17:20 <|amethyst> %git d5e5340c^ 18:17:20 07nlanza02 * 7b2204d69f21: Further build cleanup. 10(10 years ago, 29 files, 913+ 4486-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b2204d69f21 18:17:28 <|amethyst> last commit in crawl-ref proper 18:17:51 <|amethyst> oh 18:17:55 "a player mummy can't be resistant to fire; fire can cause temporary max HP loss to a player mummy unless you are wearing the amulet of conservation or its equivalence" 18:17:55 ??4.1 18:17:56 4.1[1/7]: Crawl (NOT stone soup) 4.1 Alpha, Brent Ross' ill-fated rewrite of Crawl. DCSS was spawned by two people who got tired of waiting for this to come out of alpha. Nearly unwinnable. NEVER CONFUSE THIS WITH SS 0.4.1 18:17:56 <|amethyst> %git 6f5e187a 18:17:57 07nlanza02 * 6f5e187a9e5c: Added a brief "this isn't the main crawl distribution" blurb. 10(9 years ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f5e187a9e5c 18:17:58 wow 18:18:00 you can pick out individual silly changes all you want but by far my favourite part of crawl-alternative is how many changes closely resemble ones made in DCSS 18:18:07 push that in 0.17 and see how many posts you get about it 18:18:13 yeah 18:18:15 call imp l2 18:18:29 move canine to callings 18:18:42 -!- CcS has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:49 minmay: crawlmacs and xcrawl 18:19:06 <|amethyst> there is a fork of DCSS too 18:19:08 <|amethyst> crawl-lite 18:20:02 <|amethyst> apparently not updated since last May 18:20:21 <|amethyst> I think merging portal branches was just too much pain for dtsund 18:20:27 minmay: yeah 18:20:27 <|amethyst> portal_branches branch that is 18:20:37 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:20:45 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:20:49 "when determining the damage of a melee attack or a beam attack, cast dice 3 times and average the result" 18:20:49 sounds... familiar... 18:20:51 -!- link_1081 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:18 "there _is_ a rune at the bottom of the Slime Pit" 18:21:27 increased the damage of Airstrike; it is especially effective against monsters which can fly; its power is capped at 100 18:21:37 aren't these all done here 18:22:22 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:23 <_miek> they want it different but not too different 18:22:31 -!- link_1081 has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:33 "ring of teleportation identifies itself when you wear it" 18:22:48 "a weapon of distortion branding made by an acquirement (this includes a god's gift) is marked so unless it is a fixed artifact" 18:22:51 :v 18:23:12 my favourite one is " the melee attack of tentacled monstrosity causes short paralysis (partially resistible by Traps & Doors skill) " 18:23:44 wat 18:23:55 "when hydra attacks a monster, each of its heads attacks" 18:24:14 "an item fired by a trap always disappears" 18:24:17 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:56 <_miek> interesting way to try and make traps and doors relevant 18:25:13 hahaha what "The beast summoned by you with the silver horn of Geryon is charmed (to prevent the "generate a hostile beast, shoot it with a crystal spear and gain piety" macro)." 18:25:28 "blink frog is healed if a monster attacks it with a weapon of distortion" 18:25:39 <|amethyst> maybe durable summons didn't exist at the time 18:25:51 CanOfWorms: hydra/blink frogs are both bigfixes i think 18:25:56 that blink frog one was an actual bug fix though, hitting blink frogs with a distortion weapon used to heal them 18:25:58 ie they only worked on players 18:26:32 |amethyst: no, you got xp from summons (but not for monsters that started friendly) 18:26:37 <|amethyst> ah 18:26:53 don't blink frogs still get healed by distortion? 18:26:58 no xp summons was reportedly a rather controversial DCSS change 18:26:58 <|amethyst> %git 4bd11a21 18:26:58 07sorear02 * 0.6.0-a1-1682-g4bd11a2: Rename MF_CREATED_FRIENDLY to MF_NO_REWARD, since that's all it's used for these days. 10(5 years ago, 12 files, 18+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bd11a2119ce 18:27:11 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:23 oh dear 18:27:25 "entering the Labyrinth itself makes you hungry" 18:27:29 "periodic random teleport (like the one in the Abyss, but the map is not re-generated)" 18:27:35 "the wall of the Labyrinth is a mixture of stone and metal" 18:28:05 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 18:28:07 <|amethyst> %git 81612f62e 18:28:07 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-418-g81612f6: Labyrinths get tricoloured walls: rock at the periphery, stone further in, and metal walls closest to the minotaur vault. 10(8 years ago, 4 files, 106+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81612f62ebb9 18:28:21 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:29:34 <|amethyst> ah 18:29:46 <|amethyst> looks like before that it was randomly all stone (78%) or all metal (22%) 18:29:51 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:20 hmm 18:32:03 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 18:32:05 bone mail unrandart - +20 CPA {no device heal 3, rF---, rC+++,rN+++,rElec,rCorr,rMut,Clar} 18:32:21 uh 18:32:26 also no regen 3 18:32:53 <|amethyst> something you take off after every combat 18:33:02 oh right 18:33:04 curse 18:33:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:33 I forget if curse % can be controlled 18:33:37 if it can, 100% curse 18:33:58 <|amethyst> I'm still not sure a remove curse tax on healing is that great 18:34:03 <|amethyst> now, Contam... 18:34:15 is it possible to control contam level? 18:34:16 <|amethyst> (might still not be enough) 18:34:21 <|amethyst> I don't think so 18:34:28 hmm 18:34:46 isnt there already an unrand that recurses itself every turn? 18:34:52 <|amethyst> Make it fuse to your body 18:34:55 <|amethyst> permacurse 18:34:57 oho 18:35:24 <|amethyst> and put it in room 1 of zigsprint 18:35:32 <|amethyst> room 0 I mean 18:35:39 I have not played that so I don't know the implications. 18:35:39 <|amethyst> with maxell's and gong 18:35:40 GONNNNG! 18:35:56 |amethyst: cybernetic dragon armour 18:36:11 <|amethyst> wheals: where am I going to find a nano mod pack? 18:36:17 <|amethyst> wheals: disassemble a quokka I guess 18:36:44 fr augments 18:36:50 isn't that mutations 18:37:49 oh yeah, this is the last addition to bone mail: bjorgnor hp tax 18:38:40 <|amethyst> oh right... I forgot that no device heal 3 + no regen 3 still lets you heal 18:38:48 ??bone mail 18:38:48 <|amethyst> dwarf stalker race is a go 18:38:48 I don't have a page labeled bone_mail in my learndb. 18:39:06 -!- mumbologist has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0/20150222232811]] 18:40:21 + fairy sniper 18:40:51 and lo, the curare-spamming spriggan riders were born 18:42:13 <|amethyst> I prefer fairy-snipers 18:45:53 -!- rgould has quit [Changing host] 18:46:53 the +10,+0 fairy "Sniper" 18:47:54 + Orb guardian is now invisible 18:49:33 you can pick out individual silly changes all you want but by far my favourite part of crawl-alternative is how many changes closely resemble ones made in DCSS 18:49:35 huh! like which 18:49:57 we listed a few 18:50:13 airstrike damage 18:50:14 summon dragon, passage of golubria with items... 18:50:29 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 18:50:44 giant eyeball and wasp paralysis change 18:51:26 hmm 18:51:31 randomusnamus has a dupe game on cszo 18:52:04 <|amethyst> hm 18:52:18 oh I missed this part "(at skill level 10 your bare hand has base damage 13 at base attack delay 60%, which is as good as a katana wielded two-handed; I think it is enough)" 18:52:23 excellent understanding of melee damage here 18:52:59 <_miek> lol who wrote that? 18:53:07 the person who made crawl-alt 18:53:12 <_miek> ah.. 18:55:44 -!- Weeksy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:55:47 oh hey 18:55:52 bone dragons are on the tiles todo list 18:57:06 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:57:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:26 -!- Gressup is now known as gressup 19:02:58 -!- mkkkkk has quit [Client Quit] 19:04:00 <+|amethyst> 4.1, which was never finished 19:04:07 |amethyst: so when's DCSS 1.0 coming out? :) 19:07:57 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:07 "Summon Greater Demon is level 5 (was 7); these demonic spells are intentionally easy to learn to kill careless players" 19:08:36 as much as I approve of this sentiment, it does seem to clash with the self-imposed Rule #3: "be kind to the player " 19:09:55 wait, did demonspawn really exist in pre-DCSS crawl? for some reason I thought they were a modern invention 19:10:07 probably because they're actually good 19:11:10 they were completely redone for dcss 19:11:18 back in like 0.7 or 0.8 19:11:28 original demonspawn were pretty bad 19:11:39 they got abilities like "gate to pan" 19:11:41 0.7 is when I started paying attention, I think 19:12:13 bone dragon tiles look good to me 19:13:28 gate self to pan is good, how else do you see cerebov in 4.1 19:15:03 heh 19:15:30 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:12 haha, ugly things with AF_MAPROT, that's awesome 19:18:29 haha, the scroll of mundanity is basically a precursor to suppression 19:18:31 ??rip 19:18:31 rip[1/2]: tear 19:19:12 sounds like they're putting you devs to shame in the "making the player die" department 19:20:04 modern crawl is for casuals 19:20:12 I expect to see it as a F2P on the app store any day now 19:20:34 with frippery like "graphics" 19:20:53 j/k <3 you crawl devs 19:20:55 Why do you think they added a god of gold?! 19:21:14 god of in-app purchases 19:21:15 so meta 19:21:33 i would sooooo add achievements via steamworks 19:21:36 Wensley: first one's free 19:21:48 just tell me the license is compatible and I will do all the work 19:22:09 ??license 19:22:09 licence[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/licence.txt;hb=HEAD 19:22:15 "Reach the Lair of the Beasts" 19:22:17 <|amethyst> steamworks is almost certainly not compatible with the GPL 19:22:23 "Kill Nikola without rElec" 19:22:25 <|amethyst> it's not free software at all is it? 19:22:38 i guess you'd need a bridge app then 19:22:43 we just need to contact everyone involved with the project ever and ask for their agreement to relicense again under the LGPL! 19:22:43 <|amethyst> ugh 19:22:46 |amethyst: I don't see why it couldn't be compatible with GPL 19:22:54 <|amethyst> Wensley: if you link it into crawl 19:23:04 <|amethyst> the GPL cares about that 19:23:10 <|amethyst> that's the difference between the GPL and LGPL 19:23:16 <|amethyst> ugh was to a bridge app 19:23:16 does the GPL care about static linking vs dynamic? 19:23:24 <|amethyst> Wensley: no, dynamic linking still counts 19:23:31 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:32 or we can ask doy to rewrite all of crawl, then it will be under BSD 19:23:38 just communicate with steamworks over a port :P 19:23:45 <|amethyst> that's "bridge app" 19:23:48 achievements could probably just be in !lm format 19:23:59 <|amethyst> that would satisfy the letter of the license but not the spirit 19:24:34 relicense crawl as AGPL 19:24:46 it's a pretty common way around the GPL restriction |amethyst, and one endorsed by GNU 19:25:49 wait, is crawl already on steam? 19:25:56 <|amethyst> no 19:25:58 <|amethyst> endorsed by GNU? 19:26:41 how they suggest you get around the restriction 19:26:47 <_miek> what's AGPL? 19:26:48 suggested perhaps a better word 19:27:01 AGPL = affero, similar to BSD 19:27:15 <|amethyst> err 19:27:21 <|amethyst> affero is not similar to BSD at all 19:27:55 <|amethyst> it's essentially GPL with the additional restriction that if you offer access to the software as a service, you have to provide your modifications 19:28:11 <|amethyst> so webtiles servers would have to distribute their code or at least any local patches 19:28:23 oh whoops 19:29:07 <|amethyst> there have been devs who have argued for AGPL 19:29:10 in any case, have we ever clarified the licensing of the tiles themselves? 19:29:25 <|amethyst> Wensley: not really 19:29:28 i think monster-trunk is under AGPL 19:29:29 <_miek> and that would make it better for steam? 19:29:48 worse 19:30:22 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:55 I don't know if it would actually make it any worse, it wouldn't keep you from doing the bridge app for steamworks integration. unless "uses ports at all" counts as "software as a service" 19:30:58 any good vampire advice from a real hardcore vet here? 19:30:58 twelwe: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:31:05 !messages 19:31:05 (1/1) wheals said (1h 52m 35s ago): you missed the tournament pizza fund 19:31:09 <|amethyst> wheals: you know, I should probably know that 19:31:27 bullshit, no one told me about a tournament, so i didn`t miss anything 19:31:43 <|amethyst> yeah, I think monster's license is... broken 19:31:52 <|amethyst> hm 19:31:53 i think kilobyte was complaining that chei technically required something that said it was under AGPL whenever you went %?? 19:31:54 <|amethyst> maybe not 19:32:02 sheals explain yourself immediately 19:32:07 whelas 19:32:17 wedhas 19:32:28 twelwe: we're going to use all profits from steam for a pizza fund 19:32:35 what steam profits 19:32:35 -!- eb has quit [] 19:32:55 you can't put a price on crawl 19:32:57 it is priceless 19:33:18 it's true 19:33:32 ok searching greenlight for dc:ss 19:33:41 <|amethyst> Price: ∞ This game has in-app purchases. 19:33:59 i wonder how many bad rpg maker greenlight games have stolen tiles from crawl 19:34:03 <|amethyst> twelwe: some people have proposed it on the mailing list (and elsewhere) 19:34:16 proposed what? steam release? 19:34:19 <|amethyst> the discussion started on reddit (Darren Grey saying "steam all the things") 19:34:20 <|amethyst> yes 19:34:21 given that our licensing of tiles is unclear, crawl is technically stealing tiles from the artists 19:34:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:28 ahhhh 19:34:29 mauris: there are a lot of mobile apps definitely 19:34:45 well i would say use those profits to implement my ideas to increase the value of the game itself 19:34:45