00:02:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:02:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4086-gceb3487 (34) 00:06:10 :U 00:06:20 -!- rax changed the topic of ##crawl to: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic | CAO LIKELY TO HAVE UNPLANNED OUTAGE AT SOME POINT TONIGHT OR NEXT WEEKEND OR MAYBE BETWEEN ALL OF THEM. SUCH DAMAGE 00:06:39 "what did you do today, ontoclasm" 00:06:53 "drew a sweet fleshy orifice" 00:12:29 -!- Danny_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:12:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:13:21 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:15:38 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4086-gceb3487 (34) 00:29:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:31:14 New branch created: reaver (1 commit) 00:31:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[reaver] * 0.16-a0-4087-g9966ec0: Wz -> Re 10(6 minutes ago, 9 files, 39+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9966ec0b5611 00:35:07 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:35:55 this is only to make words isn't it 00:42:53 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:52:38 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4086-gceb3487 00:59:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:04:02 no more 10 int start?! 01:04:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:23 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:25 uhh yeah i would change the stats 01:11:57 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:11:59 but that's a good idea 01:12:33 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:13:53 <|amethyst> I'm a little unclear... what makes Reaver more of a warrior-mage class than, say, VM? 01:13:56 <|amethyst> or Summoner 01:14:10 none of the spells utilize spellpower meaningfully 01:14:17 well magic dart does 01:14:19 and slow 01:14:26 but tose aren't the workhorse spells 01:15:07 i mean any of the right column roles can be played like a warrior-mage and usually better than the actual warrior mages 01:15:23 but they all have at least some stuff that scales heavily with spellpower to inflict damage or whatever 01:17:35 -!- Guest53037 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:07 ??book of minor magic 01:18:07 book of minor magic[1/1]: Magic Dart, Blink, Call Imp, Repel Missiles, Slow, Conjure Flame, Mephitic Cloud 01:18:19 <|amethyst> Slow -> Tukima's 01:18:39 there's no spell in that book where it's like, yeah i'm going to get int, and level up my spell skills a lot, and that spell is going to keep getting stronger and kill a lot of things for me 01:21:03 <|amethyst> Why not call assassin a warrior-mage class too? 01:21:04 tukima's in a starting book is cool as well 01:21:12 well they don't start with a book 01:21:22 <|amethyst> Reaver doesn't start with a weapon or weapon skill 01:21:32 perhaps it should 01:21:44 they start with their fists. 01:21:51 or paws/tentacles, as the case may be 01:21:58 UC 0 unarmed is morbidly weak 01:22:05 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:48 They could start with a dagger 01:22:53 (OgRe could start with a club) 01:23:02 some kind of short blade would make the most sense yeah 01:23:04 since meph 01:23:14 bye bye clubstabbing 01:23:37 impstabbing too! 01:23:52 hmm, reavers would start with 3 hexes 01:24:10 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: ? 01:24:32 oh wait no 01:24:41 PF just upped arcane marksman to 3 hexes in that commit 01:24:42 <|amethyst> Tukima's, Tukima's, and Tukima's? 01:25:21 I just saw you.skills[SK_HEXES] = 3; and assumed that was for reavers 01:25:33 <|amethyst> that line isn't changed at all 01:25:43 ...right 01:25:47 <|amethyst> arcane marksman already starts with 3 hexes 01:25:49 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 01:26:01 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:26:01 I am bad at reading commits orz 01:29:48 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:37 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:44 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:45 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:37:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:42:28 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 01:47:49 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:37 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:53:12 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:54:52 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:55:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:14 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:00:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:01:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:17:25 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:49 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:10 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4086-gceb3487 (34) 02:24:33 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:25 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:36 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 02:33:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:35:41 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:37:06 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:42:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:53:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:54:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:54:35 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:54:46 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:43 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:50 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:56:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:54 -!- rauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:58:34 -!- xordid has quit [Client Quit] 03:02:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:03:47 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:06:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:19 !seen |amethyst 03:06:19 I last saw |amethyst at Sun Feb 22 07:25:46 2015 UTC (1h 40m 33s ago) saying 'arcane marksman already starts with 3 hexes' on ##crawl-dev. 03:07:15 |amethyst: fwiw, the column movement is not the biggest part of the change, and I'd be fine if they were moved back under 'mage'; it's mainly the name/description change that I care about 03:08:12 also I forgot to justify slow -> tukima's in the commit; that was part of a general feeling that slow doesn't actually get used very much by wz, and it'd be neat to have a tukima's start. this is per a discussion I had with various people in here a few months ago 03:08:16 it was sitting around on my todo 03:09:04 ??minor magic 03:09:04 book of minor magic[1/1]: Magic Dart, Blink, Call Imp, Repel Missiles, Slow, Conjure Flame, Mephitic Cloud 03:09:23 at the time, someone said that slow had synergy with one of these spells, but I forget which. cflame, maybe? 03:12:55 !tell Grunt should veh support singularity? it feels just as destructive as tornado, but I guess it's slightly more indirect...? not moreso than prism, tho 03:12:55 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 03:17:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:27:01 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:49 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:47:51 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:35 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:47 tukima's is cooler than slow 04:19:58 -!- toofou has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:23:48 -!- toofou_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:31:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:38:58 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:39:12 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:01 -!- gray is now known as Guest15730 04:43:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:43:06 -!- Guest15730 has quit [Client Quit] 04:50:45 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:53:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:03:33 -!- plantmann has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:03:37 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:05:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:08:02 -!- mibe has quit [Client Quit] 05:08:49 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:05 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 05:12:54 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 05:16:20 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 05:25:43 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:50 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:30:14 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:33:29 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:39:19 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:42:47 -!- rockit has quit [Client Quit] 05:58:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:01:07 -!- soeti has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:19:21 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:25:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:39:52 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:59 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:41:37 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:51:25 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:51:53 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 06:54:09 -!- Karagy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:54:10 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:02:28 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:48 tukima's dance is pretty heavily spellpower-dependent 07:08:06 so it doesn't fit here IMO 07:08:32 I would just remove slow without giving another spell as compensation, the book will still have 6 spells in it 07:15:23 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:39 On ##crawl, Kolbur asks: i have a problem in webtiles, certain keys like ? or * don't work (german keyboard layout here) 07:20:09 actually I hadn't seen the most recent changes to tukima's dance when I said that, but it looks like it is even more spellpower-dependent than before now (since spellpower is both used to check MR for success and to determine how strong the weapon is) 07:21:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:10 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27:27 -!- stevee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:30:04 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:13 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:41:11 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:45:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:46:31 -!- toofou has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:47:45 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:56:37 -!- lisard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:01:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:02:31 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:04:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04:52 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:48 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:40:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:41:34 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:49:05 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:50:16 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04:43 Dead Louise is shown as axe or as PC 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9502 by Sandman25 09:06:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:07:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:52 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 09:23:57 -!- imantor_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:57 -!- johnstein has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- belkinsoop has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- yxhuvud has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- zkyp has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- varmin has quit [*.net *.split] 09:23:58 -!- Lantell has quit [*.net *.split] 09:24:06 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:05 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:05 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:03 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:31 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:31 -!- tgcid9999_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:58 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:25 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:42:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:55 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 09:45:52 i'm sorry that existing is against the rules 09:46:08 autoexplore keeps going even if I get shafted 09:46:11 how to fix this? 09:47:14 runrest_stop_message += You fall through a shaft.* 09:47:18 Thanks 09:48:24 sigh, searching for an unban in logs is painful 09:49:01 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:57:59 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58:02 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:44 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 10:01:09 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:32 -!- n1k is now known as Guest15325 10:04:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:16 -!- Guest53037 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:34 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:21:33 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:18 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 10:36:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40:52 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:40:54 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:21 New branch created: props (7 commits) 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4087-g7607404: Pull out 'clinging' property 10(11 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=760740419d5f 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4088-g30471a6: Pull out the Singing Sword welcome prop 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30471a63ffb7 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4089-gb6482da: Pull out deck properties 10(11 months ago, 4 files, 52+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6482da0be3f 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4090-g9b929f1: Pull out acquirement item prop 10(11 months ago, 4 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b929f12b77b 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4091-g457132b: Pull out chimera props 10(11 months ago, 5 files, 45+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=457132b22948 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4092-g0ee8cb8: Pull out randbook props 10(11 months ago, 3 files, 22+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ee8cb871197 10:41:21 03PleasingFungus02 07[props] * 0.16-a0-4093-geb79b8b: Pull out Orb of Destruction props 10(11 months ago, 4 files, 73+ 61-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb79b8b11ceb 10:41:25 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:05 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:44:07 03PleasingFungus02 07[reaver] * 0.16-a0-4088-gb05b070: Remove Re's Tukima's (elliptic) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b05b0708a40f 10:46:19 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:46:35 PleasingFungus: making a new Reaver background? 10:47:44 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:34 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49:18 %git reaver HEAD^ 10:49:18 Could not find commit reaver HEAD^ (git returned 128) 10:49:20 hm 10:49:30 basically I'm grunting 10:49:47 which is to say just implementing some shit and tossing it up without any particular feeling for whether or not it'll ever get into the game 10:49:56 %git 9966ec0b 10:49:56 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-4087-g9966ec0: Wz -> Re 10(10 hours ago, 9 files, 39+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9966ec0b5611 10:50:02 ^ that's the head of the branch 10:50:10 er, not the HEAD... 10:50:14 Oh, interesting 10:50:38 came out of a discussion in crawl-dev from a few months ago 10:51:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:51:51 I think I was there for that 10:52:18 probably 10:52:40 iirc the biggest objection was from reaverb, who was concerned about pings, and from me, who noted that people would be very very upset at the loss of the background named 'wizard' 10:52:53 since roleplayers, unfortunately, are real 10:53:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:53:39 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:54:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:56:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:09 Inital version of my interface to learndb is done… pls treat this as an alpha, on a temporary server, just looking for feedback at this stage. Can be accessed at http://104.131.177.23:8080/, github repo at https://github.com/guyht/lookup 11:00:12 -!- mauris has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:26 Nice! 11:01:36 That was pretty quick work - didn't you just start on this a few days ago? 11:01:53 ye 11:02:01 well, its pretty basic… and its still a bit buggy 11:02:04 oo, coffeescript. I should learn that at some point. 11:02:09 buggy? 11:02:45 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:02:49 at the moment if the search doesnt return any results, it just keeps the last searched for term displayed 11:02:59 ah, I see 11:03:11 i liked the idea, PF 11:03:15 wz really is a melee bg 11:03:31 also, there is no way to link for a search result, in the process of implementing backbone routers, so you can do /search/#goblin and it will auto show the result 11:07:42 I wonder if, like Guest53037 was saying earlier, they should start with a dagger and maybe a point of skill. could call it compensation for the loss of slow, or for the loss of extra starting MP (when was that removed, anyway? I want to say that was an MPA change...) 11:08:30 i would say they should definitely start with a weapon 11:08:34 and short blade makes sense with meph 11:08:36 yeah, agreed 11:08:51 or a spear for conjure flame, tho that might be too good for a start 11:09:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:10:15 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:21 spear also synergizes weakly with call imp and meph. I think that'd be too strong and sort of too specific, though - we treat all of the non-sbl weapon classes as interchangeable in other starts, which I think is good for variety 11:10:36 i dont like the idea of spear really, yeah 11:10:40 yeah, and no other book starts get a better-than-sb weapon 11:13:07 this is very unrelated but https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15254 is an amazing first post, and people here should read it 11:13:08 iho 11:13:10 m 11:13:50 seems like a good dev candidate 11:15:43 future great/greaterplayer/greateroctopode 11:16:25 haha 11:16:31 greatermummy I think you mean 11:16:42 greatvp 11:16:46 nah, his playstyle is way too op for that 11:16:47 you know ive considered doing greatvp 11:16:59 but i dont think i have it in me to play that many normal games 11:17:05 even not as a vp 11:18:34 big vp fan? 11:18:45 i kinda like them 11:19:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:19:06 "normal" games? 11:19:09 git push origin/remove_vp 11:19:11 oops sorry 11:19:12 wrong window 11:19:13 like, not speedruns 11:19:20 ah 11:19:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:19:38 -!- mercury^ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:19:39 i need to take a break from doing those before the tourney though 11:20:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:00 speedrunning is an addiction 11:23:20 poor gammafunk... 11:23:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:53 yeah im terrified of it now 11:24:28 all i would have to do at this point is start picking chei 11:24:29 and itd be over for me 11:25:02 what happens if you pick sif 11:25:25 that's a good sobriety aid 11:25:36 sif is like a bad trip 11:27:03 -!- Walttt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:01 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 11:28:03 sif is like the opposite of chei 11:28:13 you get all the opportunities but none of the tools to use them 11:28:32 -!- ClawlessVictory_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:29:44 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:35:22 -!- orgal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:31 -!- Mushboom has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:39:31 -!- johnf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:20 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:44:18 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:48:40 -!- tgcid9999_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:57:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:04:12 -!- shklvsk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:45 The build passed. (reaver - b05b070 #1832 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/51732998 12:09:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:10:06 -!- ClawlessVictory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:10:40 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-4087-gbc9a206: Remove zap_type_to_spell() 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 3+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc9a206a337c 12:11:21 !bug 2068 12:11:21 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2068 12:13:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:04 The build passed. (props - eb79b8b #1832 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/51732997 12:13:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:14:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-4088-g7c8221e: Remove a redundant if 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c8221e1d236 12:14:54 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:15:37 -!- Monkaria has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:23 DrKe did a speedrun with *yred* so I don't want to hear it. Besides Sif can get scores better than most gods (including chei) with the right chars 12:19:42 please keep in mind that blo*x was one of the people in that conversation 12:19:42 wrt chei chat 12:20:28 Well we're talking about speedruns and yet PleasingFungus was involved, so it's no less silly with blo*x 12:20:33 blo*x has actually done a nice speedrun 12:20:42 fuck u!!!! 12:20:45 im great 12:20:47 lel kek 12:21:23 my hs is higher than bloax's 12:21:25 so 12:21:27 he can go shove it up his chei!!!! 12:21:53 on the other hand his hs is a/the iashol hs, which is pretty cool 12:22:11 yeah I think ru could get a pretty nice score 12:22:16 !hs * god=ru 12:22:16 4728. Roshnak the Grand Master (L27 VSMo of Ru), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-09-27 09:40:44, with 32104059 points after 46062 turns and 5:20:18. 12:22:24 !hs * god=iashol 12:22:24 203. Bloaxor the Conqueror (L27 VSMo of Iashol), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-16 23:26:38, with 20502640 points after 74424 turns and 6:36:50. 12:22:26 hrm, probably a lot better than that 12:22:28 heh 12:22:36 ya it does seem like it has potential 12:22:42 also interesting that they're both vsmo 12:22:54 dang vs... 12:23:03 op 12:23:37 !lg . urune=1 12:23:38 44. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), blasted by a rakshasa (illusionary) (orb of energy) on D:13 on 2015-02-22 05:05:03, with 35359 points after 10137 turns and 1:20:53. 12:23:45 stupid R, they are illegal imo 12:24:00 I remember when they just spammed endless invisible clones of themselves 12:24:02 that sucked 12:24:14 yeah, and they clones things like asterions spectral weapon etc. 12:24:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:03 <|amethyst> they can still do that? 12:25:17 <|amethyst> does monster phantom mirror not go through the same code path as player? 12:25:22 I think he typoed "cloned" 12:25:30 d next to s and all that 12:25:34 <|amethyst> oh 12:25:53 <|amethyst> hm 12:25:55 <|amethyst> actually 12:26:00 <|amethyst> !source cast_phantom_mirror 12:26:01 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l2926 12:26:03 <|amethyst> (monster version) 12:26:06 <|amethyst> !source _phantom_mirror 12:26:07 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc;hb=HEAD#l1996 12:26:11 <|amethyst> (player version) 12:26:44 <|amethyst> looks like they don't have the same restrictions 12:27:42 <|amethyst> !source _mirrorable 12:27:42 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;hb=HEAD#l1743 12:28:17 <|amethyst> !source _mons_is_illusion_cloneable 12:28:17 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-clone.cc;hb=HEAD#l62 12:29:27 -!- ketsa_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:51 mine is more of a vsgl since i picked up leech after going down to d:6 12:34:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:58 !tell grunt _spell_in_range (tilreg-dgn.cc) seems to be part of something that's heavily duplicating spell_no_hostile_in_range(), which you worked on a few years ago. idk, maybe you have ideas 12:34:58 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:35:47 <|amethyst> _spell_in_range is checking a specific target 12:36:09 specifically I'm concerned about that switch/case 12:39:11 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:25 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:45:23 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:45:53 -!- Zhankfor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the tiles stuff probably needs to all be rewritten to go through the same interfaces as console and webtiles 12:48:56 ya 12:48:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think there's still a bug where you can cast for free if you click fast enough (until it crashes) 12:49:02 hahaha 12:49:04 I was digging through that system for a while 12:49:21 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:49:34 trying to figure out what actually used that stuff (specifically what used zap_type_to_spell() 12:49:37 it seemed to be some kind of autocombat 12:49:53 uhhhh 12:50:00 zot defence is bugged 12:50:03 http://prntscr.com/68i8mw 12:50:13 yeah we know 12:50:19 zot defense is only still in the game because no one's put in the time to remove it 12:50:21 sorry 12:50:24 ;-; 12:50:40 but all of my random uniques 12:50:47 rip 12:51:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:16 oh, I see, alt-clicking on monsters causes you to try to evoke an 'appropriate item' at them 12:52:19 that's... really weird 12:54:52 PleasingFungus: actually it's only still in the game because i haven't pushed my commit removing it yet :P 12:55:04 ! 12:55:06 -!- Guest15325 is now known as n1k 12:55:09 is that a 0.16 feature 12:55:10 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 12:55:10 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:11 or unfeature I guess 12:55:35 it would reduce the number of bugs in the game (namely: a completely broken game mode) 12:55:38 or rather i just disabled it, actually removing it entirely would be a lot more work (but still probably worth doing i guess) 12:55:45 and yeah it's definitely a 0.16 unthing imo 12:55:46 disabling it is a good start 12:59:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:02:01 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:59 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:04:10 I just noticed that naga skeletons don't display their wielded weapon (or shield if skeletons can use them?) 13:05:03 For a moment I was confused as to why a hostile died until I realized my friendly skeleton had a spear 13:07:39 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10:40 I hope zotdef gets a fitting eulogy in the commit message 13:10:57 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:23 It's getting removed entirely? 13:11:41 rip zotdef, virtually nobody cared about you 13:11:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11:57 the eulogy is along the lines of "it's been completely broken for ages and nobody wants to fix it", yes :P 13:12:06 good eulogy 13:12:42 the tavern/wordpress posts should be good 13:13:10 -!- noober has quit [Client Quit] 13:14:01 !lg * game=zotdef 13:14:03 33335. Sekko the Charmwright (L1 FoSk), quit the game in Zot (Scenario I: Hall of Zot : zotvault) on 2015-02-22 10:47:41, with 0 points after 186 turns and 0:00:27. 13:14:07 !lg * game=zotdef s=src 13:14:08 33335 games for * (game=zotdef): 18888x cdo, 9039x cao, 4158x cszo, 769x clan, 294x lld, 102x cbro, 71x rhf, 14x cxc 13:14:18 !lg * recent game=zotdef s=src 13:14:18 4446 games for * (recent game=zotdef): 2219x cao, 1381x cszo, 413x clan, 294x lld, 94x cbro, 31x cdo, 14x cxc 13:14:26 !lg * recent game=zotdef s=name 13:14:26 4446 games for * (recent game=zotdef): 154x onget, 98x clara, 80x Excalibur, 60x runewalsh, 55x BluebellGnoll, 55x tlhonmey, 53x twillightdoom, 51x Xen, 49x crazyfist, 48x JaridTorvin, 47x Pesado, 46x ilii, 44x HarmlessChicken, 43x robotjosh2, 42x tomasdelima, 39x sargx, 38x thenidhogg, 38x Whiskey, 36x haldagan, 35x Tiropat, 34x nsb, 34x ClockworkSoul, 33x Klutz, 33x gogolfirst, 33x Graviox, 33x ... 13:14:27 !lg * zotdef win s=name 13:14:27 54 games for * (zotdef win): 3x Daggerfall, 3x Excalibur, 3x soul, 3x atrodo, 3x Ragdoll, 3x nobo, 3x Atomjack, 2x BluebellGnoll, 2x 78291, 2x Ereshkigal, 2x Patashu, zerome, damdam, ApsychicRat, tlhonmey, Kal, dis, Machiavelli, Gilihad, jefkin, madreisz, PabloElPesado, HarmlessChicken, qwqw, ion, Grandpa, Perryman, JFunk, Fungee, dck, Harmless, won, Mandor, casmith789, Cheetah, Yunor 13:14:29 !lg * recent game=zotdef s=src x=+sum(dur) 13:14:30 4446 games for * (recent game=zotdef): 2219x cao [16d+0:34:55], 1381x cszo [8d+1:49:37], 294x lld [2d+20:35:28], 413x clan [2d+16:45:58], 94x cbro [1d+9:25:35], 31x cdo [3:28:24], 14x cxc [0:38:58] 13:15:30 -!- tv1990 has quit [Client Quit] 13:19:12 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 13:19:50 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:31:16 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:27 -!- stevee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:32 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:37:00 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:39:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:53 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:16 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 13:41:24 PleasingFungus:Far Strike was melee PProj 13:41:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re wizard, my only problem with it was moving the column without giving them even nominal weapon skill... so either keeping the column or giving a dagger and a point of sbl would be fine with me 13:42:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:15 -!- tstbtto has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:43:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: though there's an awful lot of sbl out there already... but I agree that polearms would be problematicly asymmetric, and qstaves too good 13:44:12 -!- namad7 has quit [] 13:44:13 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:44:25 ??staff 13:44:26 staff[1/3]: (staves; +5 acc / 5 dam / 1.2 base delay / 0.6 min delay). There are four kinds: energy (negates {spell hunger} and can be e(v)oked to convert food into MP), wizardry (reduces spell failure chances), power (grants extra MP), and enhancer (makes a specific school of magic more powerful, often granting thematic melee powers and resistances). 13:44:47 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:45:07 <|amethyst> maybe hunters could move off sbl and get clubs instead? 13:45:09 ??short sword 13:45:09 short sword[1/1]: Short blades; +4 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay 13:45:23 <|amethyst> Bloaxor: plain staff doesn't exist 13:45:30 Too bad. :-) 13:45:48 |amethyst: it's not like very many hunters stay with sbl... club is quite a bit worse than short sword though 13:46:03 it used to exist just to give Ar a crappy weapon to start with! 13:46:09 <|amethyst> a mace even, but that's less flavourful 13:47:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:13 clearly a +3 dagger then >_> 13:47:18 <_< 13:47:35 <|amethyst> I guess sbl does make sense if they keep the Stealth points 13:47:44 I'd just give wizard a +0 dagger if we want to give them anything 13:48:00 good for mephstabbing too :P 13:48:52 -!- Unicore is now known as Amnesthesia 13:49:20 <|amethyst> it just seems a little weird to me to have a class explicitly based around melee that starts with no weapon, or one without much of an upgrade path 13:49:38 <|amethyst> but I guess sbl has lbl as an upgrade path so that's not so bad 13:49:49 |amethyst: also sbl has "find a good sbl" as an upgrade path 13:50:15 <|amethyst> elliptic: are non-stabbing sbl melee chars viable? 13:50:22 |amethyst: yes? 13:50:25 <|amethyst> okay 13:50:38 |amethyst: and for Wz we aren't talking about just using melee 13:50:49 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:51:14 -!- endou________ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:18 but short blades HaBe or KoBe is a pretty classic start (some people prefer maces on KoBe though) 13:51:25 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:51:40 <|amethyst> right, but those are the races with limited upgrade paths for every skill 13:51:45 <|amethyst> s/skill/weapon skill/ 13:51:48 <|amethyst> except staves I guess 13:51:49 Wz has dart and imps and meph and conjure flame to kill things with 13:52:14 they really don't *need* weapons, they just should pick one up if they don't find more spells soon because all those spells don't gain much from spell power 13:52:23 -!- thrig has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:36 shouldn't everything without a weapon pick up a weapon 13:52:42 <|amethyst> I also forget that 'reaver' is not really a thing outside of crawl, so the word will only introduce expectations for old players 13:52:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:52 -!- SegFaultAX has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:52 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:52 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:52 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:52 minmay: sure, but stuff like Cj or FE has less incentive to do so 13:53:10 |amethyst: yeah, I'm not sure about the name (though I agree that there are issues with 'wizard' too) 13:53:21 -!- mauris- has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53:21 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53:21 -!- therealfakemoot has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:32 minmay: or at least, less incentive to spend xp on weapon skill early 13:53:50 -!- mngrif has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53:56 yes, I definitely did not mean train a weapon skill 13:54:29 |amethyst: how about "battlemage" for the name? 13:54:38 BATTLEMAGE 13:54:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:05 <|amethyst> I don't really like "battlemage" as a descriptor for melee-conj hybrids 13:55:05 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:22 <|amethyst> because if I were having a battle, I'd prefer a pure conjurer on my side 13:55:32 <|amethyst> (conj/element) 13:55:48 -!- Mushboom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:52 I'm not convinced that Wz book lends itself more to hybriding than the IE book btw 13:56:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: I was thinking necromancer 13:56:02 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 13:56:07 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:07 or Ne, yeah 13:56:14 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:36 -!- n1k is now known as Guest53573 13:56:40 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:54 so given that I'm not sure we really need to move Wz to a different column or give it a weapon (though a weapon would help with its somewhat iffy XL 1 game) 13:56:55 <|amethyst> Give necromancer a dagger (that's what you use to do ritual sacrifices, right) and move them to the warrior-mage column 13:57:19 but I do think changing the name would be reasonable, it definitely doesn't match people's expectations aside from having a lot of Int 13:57:46 <|amethyst> for the old wizard, "Hedge Mage" would ge a good class name I think 13:58:18 <|amethyst> or for Re for that matter, since the only real difference is the stats 13:58:37 that would fit better, sure 13:58:58 -!- eb_ is now known as eb 14:01:05 i'm not sure 14:01:10 i can't think of any words that end in "hm" 14:01:38 mmhm 14:01:46 mermen 14:01:50 <|amethyst> noooo 14:02:20 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:20 <|amethyst> High Merfolk Hedge Mage 14:03:21 <|amethyst> hmhm 14:03:24 <|amethyst> ??hm 14:03:25 |amethyst[2/21]: <|amethyst> hm 14:04:18 logarithm 14:04:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04:33 a-hehm. 14:04:50 |amethyst:Yak hedge mage 14:04:54 "??hm" 14:04:58 ohm 14:04:59 <|amethyst> lnpi, Low Naga Pikeman 14:05:27 <|amethyst> sqrt, Squamate Realtor 14:05:59 <|amethyst> You sell a house to the ogre! 14:06:06 high minotaur IMO 14:06:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:06:57 <|amethyst> half-mummy 14:07:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:07:39 rhythm - redhot yellow-tailed hedgemage 14:07:55 <|amethyst> rejected by both mummy and human culture, they walk a lonely path... 14:08:46 <|amethyst> s/walk/shuffle/ 14:09:54 german aehm 14:12:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:13:59 <|amethyst> rax: hm... akrasiac.org appears to be back up but not crawl.akrasiac.org; they're VMs on the same physical machine, right? 14:16:00 -!- Guest5715 has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 14:24:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:28:22 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:55 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:37:07 -!- Piu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:38:34 -!- Guest53037 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:59 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:21 |amethyst: hedge mage was discussed before; I have issues with the diminutive nature of it 14:42:38 <|amethyst> hm 14:42:41 there's not a "trainee fighter" or a "novice thief" or something 14:42:49 I'm fine with moving it back to its original column, though 14:43:02 there are more things in that column that hybridize well than not 14:43:23 <|amethyst> "Sage" 14:43:38 that's just as bad as wizard! 14:43:40 <|amethyst> :) 14:43:52 alternately rename them to basil 14:43:54 <_< 14:43:56 >_> 14:44:14 <|amethyst> Basilisk Sage 14:44:29 <|amethyst> Thyme, thyme, thyme, see what's become of me 14:44:42 (wz / su / ne / fe / ie all hybridize very well, cj / ae / ee/ vm less so I think (though you can make those work as hybrids too, ofc, since this is crawl)) 14:44:48 anyway 14:44:48 -!- Guest53573 is now known as n1k 14:44:50 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 14:44:51 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 14:45:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: why fe more than cj? sticky? 14:45:25 <|amethyst> feels like Fe requires more XP investment 14:45:30 <|amethyst> err, FE 14:45:43 Cj also has dazzling spray which is a great conjurer/stabber hybrid spell 14:45:43 n1k: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:47:35 What about just Generalist for wz 14:48:08 need to merge salamanders for SaGe 14:48:37 wheals: we don't need more spices! 14:49:28 <|amethyst> Ecuminincal Temple 14:49:34 <|amethyst> s/inc/ic/ 14:57:07 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:13 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:22 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:03:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:06:47 ecominimal temple? 15:08:52 <|amethyst> LEED Gold Certified 15:10:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:15:29 -!- wildleaf has quit [Client Quit] 15:16:14 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:40 I have an idea for an ossuary vault involving a boulder beetle and a long hallway. too gimmicky?? 15:19:22 !vault indy 15:19:23 Can't find indy. 15:19:56 !vault boulder_indie 15:19:57 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/traps/boulders.des;hb=HEAD#l174 15:20:14 rip 15:21:21 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 15:24:25 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 15:26:02 -!- shklvsk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:26:03 -!- shklvsk_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:10 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:30:31 |amethyst:in skillmenu, maybe the comma_separated_lines for boosted/deenhanced skills should use "or" rather than "and"? 15:30:46 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, I was thinking that myself 15:30:56 <|amethyst> feel free to commit on that branch 15:31:07 <|amethyst> I intend to merge it after the release 15:31:34 <|amethyst> probably before the tournament even, since it's not new content and won't encourage anyone to want to play trunk 15:32:16 <|amethyst> I also need to catch back up on Sandman's ability_slot patch 15:33:00 <|amethyst> I told him I'd put it in shortly after the tournament... I think most of the issues are solved but I haven't read through his follow-up patches closely yet 15:34:40 !tell pleasingfungus hahaha _make_appendable_file 15:34:40 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:35:07 |amethyst:did you already tell him that "w" deletes the file before writing or do i need to 15:35:23 <|amethyst> wheals: already did 15:35:45 <|amethyst> wheals: he was worried it would make every fprintf truncate the file 15:36:09 <|amethyst> write-only 15:36:12 hehe 15:36:22 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36:26 clearly should have passed "wr"! 15:38:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:40:52 NIH! PF will make his own system calls tyvm 15:42:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:20 ah, Summon Greater Fungus didn't miscast, I see 15:43:27 * PleasingFungus appears in a puff of spores! 15:43:37 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:45 also oops, forgot to remove _make_appendable_file 15:43:47 got distracted 15:44:03 -!- MDvedh has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:28 PF, how do you feel removing the only 10 int background :( 15:45:03 <|amethyst> it's not even happened yet! 15:45:21 can wn get 10 int 15:45:41 !lg drmo 15:45:41 No games for drmo. 15:45:45 !lg . drmo -log 15:45:46 1. gammafunk, XL27 DrMo, T:129850: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20130409-035931.txt 15:46:30 CanOfWorms: feelin pretty good 15:46:32 also 15:47:07 fwiw the reaver branch was intended as more of a "personal backlog clearing" branch than something I expected to get pushed immediately (or even at all); I didn't expect it to get nearly as much support as it has 15:47:15 not complaining! 15:47:30 if it makes you feel better, i think it's a terrible idea!!! 15:47:42 aight 15:48:30 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 15:49:00 the other class change I'm vaguely considering is merging assassin into hunter 15:49:08 now that is heresy 15:49:11 (remove as, give hunter a blowgun option) 15:49:16 how will people streak FoIE GrAs now? 15:49:20 mm 15:49:32 rename arcane marksman to arcane sharpshooter 15:49:33 done 15:49:38 (AS, obv) 15:49:38 that is acceptable 15:49:58 weren't there people complaining about the last syllable of arcane marksman, too 15:50:44 probably me 15:50:46 I think others 15:51:24 renaming am has a todo entry but it's microscopic priority 15:51:34 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:25 though tbh I kind of like AS (if as goes away), it's not nearly as bad as all the other names I've considered 15:52:28 !send PleasingFungus a bucket of shed paint 15:52:29 Sending a bucket of shed paint to PleasingFungus. 15:52:36 you sent me the wrong colour!!! 15:54:14 03PleasingFungus02 07[reaver] * 0.16-a0-4089-gab2e005: Move re back to the "Mage" column 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab2e005df714 15:56:05 bad idea: remove ar too and give hunter a wand choice 15:59:32 <|amethyst> Turn FE/IE/EE/AE/maybe-VM into one class with a book choice 16:00:49 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:03 no book choices!!!! 16:02:07 but hunter already has a weapon choice 16:05:51 03PleasingFungus02 07[namereform] * 0.16-a0-4096-g9c7c275: Remove _make_appendable_file (|amethyst) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c7c27577490 16:06:00 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:06:16 <|amethyst> so now wheals has to give minmay credit for one of my suggestions? 16:06:30 dang... 16:06:35 also i am pretty sure you mentioned it first 16:06:37 yesterday 16:06:49 however, see the commit message for an alternate explanation 16:06:56 <|amethyst> I didn't even notice it was a separate function, I hadn't read that far down 16:07:13 I factored it out in a commit after I first used that technique 16:07:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:07:19 code re-use is important. 16:07:20 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 16:07:47 <|amethyst> !send Mars PleasingFungus 16:07:48 Sending PleasingFungus to Mars. 16:08:31 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:08:49 noooooo 16:09:04 -!- avigdore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09:09 everyone knows humans can't survive in the harsh climate of Mars! 16:09:46 humans? 16:10:46 :( 16:11:32 I'm sure fungus can 16:12:44 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:13:50 -!- comebackshane has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:51 |amethyst: wait what did I do 16:15:25 you got credited instead of |amethyst yesterday 16:15:27 i think 16:15:41 or maybe instead of PleasingFungus 16:15:42 I'm glad player TeRe will be a thing again 16:15:44 * wheals is very confused 16:15:46 no, |amethyst credited me instead of him (the plut sword draconian corpse thing) 16:16:03 naturally this requires blood vengeance 16:16:16 @??tengu_reaver 16:16:16 tengu reaver (13Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 17 | HP: 71-99 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 27, 11, 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2016 | Sp: b.lightning (3d22), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d27) / b.magma (3d26), battlesphere, fireball (3d27) / b.venom (3d21), b.corrosive (3d21), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:16:37 @??deep_elf_mage 16:16:37 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-35 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 211 | Sp: b.magma (3d14), stone arrow (3d12) / flame tongue (3d9), sticky flame range (3d4), fireball (3d14), throw flame (3d6) / freeze, throw icicle (3d14), sum.ice beast / magic dart (3d4), force lance (3d10), battlesphere, mystic blast (3d12) / mystic blast (3d12),.. 16:17:10 still feels weird to have to be using Gretell for up-to-date stats 16:17:15 ya 16:17:34 hangedman, master of weird secret monster themes, would be the person to object if wz -> re broke some kind of monster spellset joke thing. I don't think it does, tho 16:17:36 hm 16:17:42 @??natasha 16:17:42 Natasha (06h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 35 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, call imp, conjure flame (42d1) | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:17:52 removing slow breaks this ref 16:18:40 !tell mrwooster the learndb lookup thing is really cool! it looks like it eats the "" IRC format for quoting someone, which makes a lot of entries look weird; is it interpreting them as HTML? 16:18:41 wheals: OK, I'll let mrwooster know. 16:19:20 also, good news 16:19:23 !killratio natasha * current trunk 16:19:24 !killratio natasha * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3716-gf08d507 16:19:25 natasha wins 2.746% of battles against * (current trunk). 16:19:28 natasha wins 3.509% of battles against * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3716-gf08d507). 16:19:36 <3 16:19:45 sample size... 16:19:46 !lg * ikiller=natasha current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3716-gf08d507 16:19:48 348. thromnambular the Transmogrifier (L8 MfTm), blasted by a white imp (puff of frost) (summoned by Natasha) on D:5 on 2015-02-22 20:59:54, with 989 points after 4777 turns and 0:12:07. 16:19:52 decent 16:19:55 !lg * ikiller=natasha ckaux~~flame 16:19:55 232. Handsy the Shooter (L5 CeHu), blasted by Natasha (wand of flame) on D:3 on 2015-02-22 20:59:39, with 192 points after 3590 turns and 0:16:08. 16:20:00 !lg * ikiller=natasha ckaux~~flame s=ckaux 16:20:00 232 games for * (ikiller=natasha ckaux~~flame): 227x wand of flame, 3x flame, 2x exploding inner flame 16:20:11 !lg * ikiller=natasha ckaux~~fire s=ckaux 16:20:12 No games for * (ikiller=natasha ckaux~~fire). 16:20:13 !lg * ikiller=natasha ckaux=flame 16:20:14 3. caleba the Poker (L5 DrAK of Lugonu), engulfed by Natasha's flame on D:3 on 2015-02-13 09:09:36, with 205 points after 2712 turns and 0:12:52. 16:20:22 ok i guess that's it 16:20:29 presumably it'd be more about what you were unable to do because you didn't want to step into the fire 16:20:37 as opposed to actually getting killed by the fire directly 16:20:44 alternately it could be completely unrelated, who knows 16:20:47 can we have a felid berserker unique that summons bros? 16:21:23 !lg * vmsg~~by_.*'s_flame 16:21:24 445. chobota the Thaumaturge (L15 DEFE of Vehumet), engulfed by a fire crab's flame on Lair:8 (st_stairs_9) on 2015-02-21 02:41:19, with 76689 points after 26472 turns and 2:33:36. 16:21:32 mmm 16:21:56 I find it very difficult to imagine natasha's conjure flame ever having an effect aside from wasting one of her actions 16:22:18 and making her give more piety to dith users 16:23:53 <|amethyst> I do wonder how much of that increase is just from her not mephing herself 16:24:31 that's 16:24:34 plausible 16:24:35