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and i'll check it out 00:39:49 #dad3d2 00:39:54 pretty good 00:41:20 works well with the logo 00:41:44 if you could recolor link text and 'play now' button too 00:43:50 Link text? 00:44:06 Isn't that defined by the browser? 00:45:17 css can override it :) 00:45:35 a { color: red; } 00:45:50 a hover { color: yellow; } 00:46:12 er a:hover, a:visited, etc 00:46:31 ah 00:47:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:47:46 (browser settings can override it) 00:49:26 Got both snake pit and spider nest branches in lair 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9493 by mcwill97 00:51:44 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 00:52:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:52:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4024-g0ecf4ac 00:54:31 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:48 -!- muravey_ is now known as muravey 00:56:00 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15199 00:59:55 -!- 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08:45:22 mh 08:45:36 <|amethyst> I might have a solution for the problem where removing a header requires a make clean 08:45:39 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:08 ripping out the makefile and replacing it with a sane one? :P 08:46:28 <|amethyst> quite the contrary :) 08:46:29 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:06 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:47:21 <|amethyst> Someone can revert this if it breaks things, I guess 08:47:32 <|amethyst> but it seems to work fine in the several scenarios I tested 08:47:43 <|amethyst> (including NO_INLINE_DEPGEN) 08:53:12 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53:18 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:53:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:05:27 -!- mrwooster has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:06:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4025-gba9e1d6: Rebuild sources when .d files are stale (#9491) 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba9e1d693695 09:08:30 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:27 <|amethyst> !tell SamB I know you're not around much anymore, but let me know if you see any problems with the Makefile depgen kludge in 0.16-a0-4025-gba9e1d6 09:12:28 |amethyst: OK, I'll let samb know. 09:14:50 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:17:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:18:19 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 09:18:53 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:21 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:22:43 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:46 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:29:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:17 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:43:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:43:17 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:43:46 -!- Yermak 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"exponent" isn't the best name as it could just as easily be used for the inverse operation. 12:11:21 <|amethyst> "from_bit" perhaps 12:11:34 <|amethyst> from_exponent 12:11:40 <|amethyst> *shrug* 12:11:48 "_Your blink will be uncontrolled - continue anyway?" is very annoying, it seems to show up even when your blink will in fact be (semi)controlled? 12:12:28 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 12:14:15 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: looks like the only way it would be uncontrolled would be if you have the orb (and even then only on a coinflip) 12:14:46 <|amethyst> have or are near the orb 12:15:19 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:21 oh that doesn't even appear for blink scrolls? weird, surely that's the case where it would be potentially useful 12:16:50 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:16:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:10 <|amethyst> no, scrolls only call cast_controlled_blink if ctele is allowed 12:17:13 <|amethyst> hm 12:17:46 <|amethyst> Do you get doubled messages if you read a blink scroll under -ctele ? 12:18:13 <|amethyst> oh, right, no 12:18:21 <|amethyst> because it doesn't call cast_controlled_blink then 12:18:57 <|amethyst> I wonder what happens if you try to repeat reading a blink scroll 12:19:12 <|amethyst> err 12:19:20 <|amethyst> an unknown stack of blink scrolls at least 12:28:36 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:10 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:26 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:50 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:51:27 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:53:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:54:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:55:04 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:25 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:01:29 -!- athros has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08:01 -!- athros has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:17 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:45 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:17:58 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:19:10 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:21:24 -!- orneryos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:42:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:46:35 -!- Fusha has quit [] 13:48:51 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:47 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:55 apparently xom wrath + fedhas shrooms = permanent shambling mangrove allies 13:57:10 which I have to say kicks some serious ass 13:57:21 shambling mangrove (04f) | Spd: 8 | HD: 13 | HP: 79-105 | AC/EV: 13/3 | Dam: 41 | 03plant, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 677 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 13:57:21 %??shambling mangrove 13:57:31 -!- tstbtto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57:52 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 70-103 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 1423 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 13:57:52 %??stone giant 13:58:10 <|amethyst> @??shambling mangrove 13:58:10 shambling mangrove (04f) | Spd: 8 | HD: 13 | HP: 76-102 | AC/EV: 13/3 | Dam: 41 | 03plant, amphibious | Res: 06magic(100), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 675 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 13:58:18 <|amethyst> (mostly the same, but now they have finite MR) 13:58:32 so basically I have permanent stone giant ally 13:58:53 which is pretty good in lair 13:58:54 <|amethyst> until xom polymorphs it into a burning bush or something 13:59:14 well I was wondering if having more shrooms would lower that probability 13:59:29 or is the code smart enough to pick on the previous one 14:00:25 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:28 I wonder if xom polymorph picks one or it applies a equal probability to all allies 14:01:28 <|amethyst> looks like it's just choose_random_nearby_monster 14:01:36 <|amethyst> not just allies 14:01:47 so in theory having more shrooms might mitigate the chances 14:01:50 <|amethyst> all monsters in LOS 14:03:01 <|amethyst> perhaps there should be more polymorph targets for plants 14:03:21 I haven't gotten a burning bush yet 14:03:28 but most of his polymorphs for plants seem good 14:03:51 most of the time I get oko plants 14:04:05 which is sort of nice because that saves me fruit 14:04:16 <|amethyst> hm... this was Xom wrath? 14:04:16 aren't burning bushes NO_POLY_TO? 14:04:17 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:04:20 !messages 14:04:20 (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (2h 30m 2s ago): i'm very tempted to reopen the mimic bug as something like "branch stairs can be mimics" or "mimics still exist" fwiw 14:04:23 <|amethyst> oh, probably 14:04:28 yep this is xoms wrath 14:04:38 <|amethyst> hm 14:04:43 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:47 &watch agentgt 14:04:48 ^watch agentgt 14:04:48 Watch agentgt at: http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-agentgt 14:04:52 <|amethyst> allies are supposed to be polymorphed with PPT_LESS 14:05:04 <|amethyst> @??wandering mushroom 14:05:04 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 32-55 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 311 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 14:05:10 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:05:12 <|amethyst> @??oklob plant 14:05:12 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 41-67 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 554 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 14:05:19 well he turned my shrooms into mangrove and oklob plants 14:05:21 <|amethyst> but I guess there are no valid targets smaller than 8 HD 14:05:27 <|amethyst> so it falls back to random 14:05:52 <|amethyst> so, yeah, having some non-firewood low-HD plants would be good 14:06:00 <|amethyst> or, allow polymorphing them into firewood 14:06:23 I wonder if i can get a thorn thingy 14:06:43 @??thorn hunter 14:06:43 thorn hunter (16f) | Spd: 12 (swim: 120%) | HD: 15 | HP: 82-114 | AC/EV: 9/9 | Dam: 27, 23 | 03plant, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2120 | Sp: v.thorns (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil], w.brambles [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:06:59 i guess the mangrove would still be pretty unlikely to turn into that 14:07:23 oklob sapling (11P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 4 | HP: 13-30 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 60 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 14:07:23 <|amethyst> %??oklob sapling 14:07:31 <|amethyst> wonder why you aren't getting more of those 14:07:46 yeah I haven't gotten one of those yet 14:07:50 saplings that is 14:08:34 I highly doubt but I wonder if piety based HD plays any part 14:08:43 I have like 8 invo 14:09:03 I mean invo based hd 14:09:28 <|amethyst> oh 14:09:31 <|amethyst> forgot about that 14:09:39 like if I have 20 invo and xom polymorphs a shroom what happens 14:09:51 <|amethyst> that would do it 14:10:16 a little invo goes far with fedhas 14:10:30 <|amethyst> @??fungus 14:10:31 fungus (15P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 8 | HP: 31-57 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 14:10:33 <|amethyst> @??toadstool 14:10:33 toadstool (03P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 14:11:05 <|amethyst> yeah, you had a 28 or 21 HD mushroom I guess 14:11:05 sapling are also NO_POLY_TO 14:11:06 i think 14:11:08 so probably secret xom tech... switch to fedhas and train invo 14:11:12 <|amethyst> wheals: not that I can tell 14:11:17 huh.. 14:11:19 <|amethyst> wheals: nor burning bushes 14:11:27 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:32 <|amethyst> wheals: plant and fungus are excluded because M_NO_EXP_GAIN 14:11:46 %git f4f3319d021fd2f 14:11:47 07MarvinPA02 * 0.11-a0-852-gf4f3319: Remove M_NO_POLY_TO from oklob saplings 10(2 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4f3319d021f 14:12:08 %git 98dfcd172 14:12:09 07dolorous02 * 0.12-a0-2354-g98dfcd1: Remove M_NO_POLY_TO from burning bushes. 10(2 years ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98dfcd1727b9 14:12:36 I never see burning bushes anymore.. are they only in sprints? 14:12:52 <|amethyst> zotdef and maybe a few vaults 14:13:58 FR: let fedhas evolve bushes to burning bushes 14:14:36 <|amethyst> burning bushes are more of a Zin thing I'd think 14:14:49 yeah 14:15:06 fedhas doesn't need anymore fun.. the god is perfect 14:15:17 ...wow agentgt 14:15:19 <|amethyst> FR: swap letters: Yredelemnul -> Zombielord Zin -> YHWH 14:15:44 I like fedhas.. all hail fedhas 14:15:56 !lg neil s=god 14:15:57 10322 games for neil: 6898x, 467x Lugonu, 434x Vehumet, 380x Elyvilon, 333x Trog, 311x Nemelex Xobeh, 219x Sif Muna, 190x Yredelemnul, 178x Kikubaaqudgha, 155x Okawaru, 120x Makhleb, 118x Zin, 83x Xom, 81x Ashenzari, 69x Fedhas, 55x Cheibriados, 50x Dithmenos, 41x Beogh, 34x Qazlal, 32x Jiyva, 32x The Shining One, 19x Gozag, 17x Ru, 4x Igni Ipthes, 2x Iashol 14:16:08 well not a yred hater I guess 14:16:37 <|amethyst> "Zombaxthros" might be a little more dignified? 14:16:43 and change xom to ujej? 14:17:01 I like it 14:17:01 <|amethyst> xom -> xaxaxa 14:17:11 too close to xuaxua 14:17:14 I sort of wished yred kicked in quicker 14:17:37 now that there is no DK 14:18:05 Yeah, don't think I've ever used yred as not-dk 14:18:05 so many new gods ._. 14:18:22 my shambling mangrove kills hydras in 1 or 2 hits 14:18:30 <|amethyst> !lg . yred !dk 14:18:30 18. neil the Conjurer (L8 OpCj of Yredelemnul), slain by an ice beast on D:6 on 2015-02-08 01:41:08, with 1336 points after 5148 turns and 0:13:45. 14:18:33 <|amethyst> !lg . yred / dk 14:18:33 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 58-86 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 976 | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 14:18:33 %??hydra 14:18:34 172/190 games for |amethyst (yred): N=172/190 (90.53%) 14:20:03 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:20:47 we're almost at more stone soup-only gods than non 14:21:18 what are the original gods, sif,trog makky, zin, tso? 14:21:31 lucy, ely, ... 14:21:35 not lucy 14:21:39 I wonder how long htis mangrove is going to last 14:21:39 ah, makes sense 14:21:50 E, K, M, N, O, S, T, V, X, Y, Z, 1 14:22:08 wow, nem? 14:22:13 that seems like such a stone soup god 14:22:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22:46 nem was definitely different before stone soup 14:22:48 Your shambling mangrove hits the komodo dragon!!! The komodo dragon dies! 14:22:53 i don't think there were any abilities 14:23:00 just deck gifts you had to wield 14:23:01 <|amethyst> %git c8a0422 14:23:01 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-284-gc8a0422: Removed portable altars. Nemelex prayers will now sacrifice everything on the current square. (This will need some interface improvements to prevent players from 'p'ing away their stash...) Also removed some unused enums and enum values. Breaks savefiles. 10(8 years ago, 12 files, 16+ 164-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8a0422eec77 14:23:12 orc warlord (11o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 87-137 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1672 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:23:12 %??orc warlord 14:23:13 <|amethyst> %git ec7432d4 14:23:13 07haranp02 * 0.3-a0-258-gec7432d: Nemelex now grants a 'triple draw' ability: choose 1 out of 3 (or out of however many are left.) Cost is 2MP + food + piety. This of course makes Nemelex completely, totally and absolutely broken; it's only the beginning of the Nemelex revamp. 10(8 years ago, 5 files, 175+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec7432d4ec54 14:23:30 heh, great commit message 14:24:21 i actually thought nem was new to stone soup, but dpeg talked to linley when he visited about the revamp 14:24:40 so it must have been pre-SS for him to know 14:25:12 Your butt mangrove butts out with a gnarled limb. 14:25:27 <|amethyst> was Linley still working on the game when gods were added? 14:26:07 gods turned up in 2.80 14:26:09 they were added in 2.7 or 2.8 (see https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:history), he was active in 3.x dev 14:26:14 Nemelex turned up in either 3.00 or 3.10 14:26:15 <|amethyst> ah 14:26:18 but the code was there before 14:26:56 ah Nemelex was 3.10 14:27:04 Vehumet was 3.00, Yred was 3.20 14:27:05 <|amethyst> which of the gods were pan lords before 2.8? 14:27:15 Okawaru, Sif Muna, Nemelex, Kiku 14:27:19 (guess who was who) 14:27:34 *** TSO ability: Annihilate Dead 14:27:41 ANNIHILATED 14:28:03 <|amethyst> Cerebov Lom Mnoleg Gloorx I assume 14:28:21 wow, kiku let you summon a reaper 14:29:49 linley added code as late as 27.12.1999, which would i think be 3.40 or so 14:29:49 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:50 so when will our current pan lords become gods and be replaced by new enemies 14:30:55 Herebov, Iom Iobon, Pnoleg, and Uloorx Uloq 14:31:52 <|amethyst> Cerebriados, Lugobon, Mnakhleb, Glorzag 14:32:23 Glorzag is a good name 14:32:30 imo rename Mnoleg Glorzag 14:33:23 <|amethyst> but then you have to rename Gloorx to Mnoorx Vloq or people won't be able to keep them straight 14:35:04 Mnurzvxlok 14:35:09 <|amethyst> Vlehumnoq 14:35:24 !make_name 14:35:57 sequell runs the game to get the combo list, that means that command should be implementable :P 14:36:53 <|amethyst> @??pan lord 14:36:54 unknown monster: "pan lord" 14:36:57 <|amethyst> @??pandemonium lord 14:36:57 pandemonium lord (05&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 21 | HP: 121-228 | AC/EV: 14/14 | Dam: 40 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire++, 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5296 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:37:03 <|amethyst> aww 14:37:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:37:29 <|amethyst> tempted to add @??-name to generate a name and nothing else 14:37:41 <|amethyst> well, to seed, generate a name, and nothing else 14:37:52 Just return "Plog" 14:38:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:38:52 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:53 Plog (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 204 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:38:53 %??yak name:Plog 14:38:56 Grunt: Do you know which version had the Linux port? 14:39:03 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:39:03 %??pandemonium lord name:Plog 14:39:07 MakMorn: I think it was 2.20 14:39:23 That sounds familiar. Thanks! 14:39:25 I would very much love to see the source code for the early 2.xx series 14:39:58 You can't believe how many times I have searched my disks for old versions 14:39:58 Grunt: quit, thou tasty snack! 14:40:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:10 wheals: run away, thou jarring miscreant tiler! 14:43:03 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 14:43:07 <|amethyst> @??-name 14:43:07 Stryite 14:43:08 <|amethyst> @??-name 14:43:09 Baim 14:43:10 <|amethyst> @??-name 14:43:10 Acotucem 14:43:11 <|amethyst> @??-name 14:43:11 Thuixeh 14:43:59 now you just need to add @??-insult 14:44:15 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 14:45:08 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:45:08 <|amethyst> %??pandemonium lord name:Plog 14:45:11 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:45:11 <|amethyst> %??pandemonium lord 14:45:12 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 14:45:12 <|amethyst> %??pandemonium lord 14:45:40 @??caustic shrike 14:45:40 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 101-135 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 3608(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4916 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:45:47 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 14:45:47 %??caustic shrike 14:45:50 plog (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 204 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:45:50 <|amethyst> %??name:plog yak 14:45:57 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 14:45:57 <|amethyst> %??name:-version yak 14:46:07 <|amethyst> maybe should make those not do strstr :P 14:46:11 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 14:46:11 <|amethyst> %??yak name:-version 14:46:13 <|amethyst> @??yak name:-version 14:46:13 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 14:46:21 @??yak name:-yak 14:46:21 -yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 203 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:46:27 er 14:46:29 @??yak name:-name 14:46:29 Otostus 14:46:59 <|amethyst> I guess it's this way so you can do -version or --version 14:47:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:22 -!- rockit has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 33.1/20141113113219]] 14:48:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:06 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 14:51:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:51:09 <|amethyst> @??yak name:-name 14:51:09 -name (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 203 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:51:13 <|amethyst> @??yak name:-version 14:51:13 -version (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 28-48 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 203 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:51:16 <|amethyst> @??-version 14:51:16 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 14:51:19 <|amethyst> @??--version 14:51:19 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 14:51:22 <|amethyst> @??--versionator 14:51:22 unknown monster: "--versionator" 14:53:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:55 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:19 huh, mimics are banned from most of endgame 14:54:29 slime, tomb, pan, hells 14:58:34 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06:04 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:14:12 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:49 -!- namad8 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:24:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-4027-g6343694: Fix an incorrect blink prompt 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6343694fb19b 15:29:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-4028-g9b827bd: Make the ORB always degrade cblink to semicontrolled 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b827bd11eee 15:29:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-4029-ged956af: Don't claim that evoking the horn of Geryon makes other items of its kind inert 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed956af685b7 15:29:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-4030-g94f4eda: Remove some randart names that duplicate unrands 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94f4eda5608c 15:33:24 -!- Nunya has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:36 nice capitalization of the ORB 15:34:02 all the comments in spl-transloc talking about it were capitalized so i thought i'd better follow their example! 15:34:11 a good habit to be in imo 15:35:12 -!- DirkDiggler has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:49 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:38:15 a buff to cblink, nice 15:38:22 that annoyed me actually 15:38:34 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:43 I thought it had been nerfed to always be uncontrolled because I got no direction prompt 15:39:10 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:23 it's all part of MPA's plan to make us feel better before he takes all the fun away removes cTele in 0.17 15:39:32 haha, i was just about to say 15:39:40 which meant we proceeded to do orbruntomb without using our perfectly castable cblink 15:39:58 MarvinPA: actually, I am wondering what will be done about passage of golubria 15:40:27 i'd let it work everywhere, i considered making that change a few versions ago even 15:40:59 it's fiddly enough that i don't think that would be problematic, especially on zot:5 you're going to end up with monsters wandering into your portals or whatever 15:41:25 you'd make cblink the spell only do semi-controlled blink, I assume? 15:42:10 maybe, scblink is sort of weird though so maybe it could still do full control and just be higher level 15:42:11 I haven't thought about it terribly a lot, and maybe things need to be nerf less than I'm imagining 15:42:23 having scblink not be a thing that exists at all would be a nice result 15:42:29 yes 15:43:02 either that or only allow semi-controlled blinks, including the scroll! 15:43:09 and remove fully controlled ones 15:43:15 that would actually be decent imo 15:43:40 I'd probably rather it be that than be a level 8 spell and fully controlled 15:43:55 would be a much more significant player nerf that way around 15:44:17 you could make it level 6 15:44:27 didn't it used to be level 6? 15:44:29 thinking of the scroll there 15:44:33 yeah 15:45:06 isn't cblink the spell still L6? 15:45:08 (the spell used to be level 5 i think) 15:45:11 L7 15:45:11 ??controlled_blink 15:45:12 controlled blink[1/5]: Level 7 Translocation spell that works like a {blink} scroll and gives {contam}. However, unlike the blink scroll, it acts like a semicontrolled blink on levels with no teleport control. 15:45:15 oh, huh 15:45:52 blink scrolls seem good how they are 15:46:01 considering their rarity... 15:46:03 i think making blink scrolls only semicontrolled is a very major change, so i'd rather eliminate scblink 15:46:13 yeah 15:46:34 it used to be L4 15:46:42 wow 15:46:45 with no contamination 15:46:54 it's really been pushed up 15:47:07 it'll be L9 by 0.18 15:47:17 removing controlled blink the spell is also a possibility; it feels a bit worrying to have that on zot:5, but again maybe it's not that big a deal 15:47:18 the only competitor for borg 15:47:23 4.1 changed it to L8 15:47:40 although borg was within stone soup so still wins imo 15:47:43 (4.1 changed borg from 6 -> 5 strangely) 15:47:49 (which was imported by DCSS) 15:48:32 having cblink be always perfectly controlled would trivialise a lot of things 15:49:16 ?/felid.*30 15:49:17 No matches. 15:49:22 ?/felid 15:49:23 Matching terms (7): felid, felid_deaths, felid_ninja_challenge, felid_reasons, felid_unreasons, FRREMOVEFELIDS, meowfelid; entries (45): amulet_of_life_saving[1] | amulet_of_lifesaving[1] | bcrawl[1] | bcrawl[2] | blade_hands[2] | chris_patches[4] | crawl_insults[7] | deathless[1] | deformed_body[1] | desperate[18] | desperate[22] | eocrawl[1] | extra_lives[1] | famous_last_words[2] | fe[1] | feli... 15:49:34 ??felid_ninja_challenge 15:49:34 felid ninja challenge[1/1]: Collect the orb and then die within 30 turns of entering Zot:5 15:49:38 ??felid deaths 15:49:39 felid deaths[1/6]: !lm madreisz verb=death orc:3 1 -tv 15:49:56 !lm . fe-- orb 15:49:58 1. [2014-05-12 02:16:53] wheals the Devastator (L24 FeVM of Yredelemnul) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 15:50:00 !lm . fe-- death 15:50:01 !lm . fe-- death -2 15:50:02 8. [2014-05-12 02:17:27] wheals the Devastator (L23 FeVM of Yredelemnul) slain by an Orb Guardian (Zot:5) 15:50:03 7/8. [2014-05-12 02:17:10] wheals the Devastator (L24 FeVM of Yredelemnul) mangled by an Orb Guardian (Zot:5) 15:50:12 hm 15:50:23 !lm . fe-- br.end=zot x=turns 15:50:26 1. [2014-05-12 02:11:19] [turn=128995] wheals the Devastator (L24 FeVM of Yredelemnul) reached level 5 of the Realm of Zot on turn 128995. (Zot:5) 15:50:30 !lm . fe-- orb x=turns 15:50:31 1. [2014-05-12 02:16:53] [turn=130686] wheals the Devastator (L24 FeVM of Yredelemnul) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 15:50:35 !lm . fe-- death -2x=turns 15:50:36 bad value for range 15:50:39 !lm . fe-- death -2 x=turns 15:50:40 7/8. [2014-05-12 02:17:10] [turn=130692] wheals the Devastator (L24 FeVM of Yredelemnul) mangled by an Orb Guardian (Zot:5) 15:50:44 do hate scblink or the mechanic of having the spell do different things in different places? 15:50:49 I don't understand the point of that challenge 15:51:01 yeah, the die bit could be removed 15:51:04 also the felid bit 15:51:09 oh, i dallied more than i realised 15:51:10 just zot30 15:51:17 I still don't understand 15:51:31 get the orb in 30 turns after entering zot:5 15:51:31 30 turns simply requires luck doesnt it 15:51:33 this is just getting lucky with a standard random tele ninja 15:51:36 not interesting at all 15:51:46 and doing your buffing on zot:4 15:51:50 100 turns means you probably have enough time to ensure your tele is lucky 15:51:56 yeah 15:52:07 that's why walker chose 100 for CSDC probably 15:52:16 using shaft card in the correct place on z:4 15:52:17 to make it doable without too much luck 15:52:35 how do you know the correct place 15:52:40 Kramin: at 100 turns it is basically the standard way I do zot:5 on the majority of characters... 15:53:10 Kramin: play 0.6! or whichever version it was 15:53:27 where shafts and hatches corresponded to the exact same location on the floor below 15:53:30 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:41 hah, nice 15:55:07 does lua have static variables? 15:55:46 <|amethyst> wheals: what do you mean by "static variable"? 15:55:47 btw, about removing cTele and what to do about cBlink: I think the only problematic location to have L7 cBlink is zot:5/orbrun itself, so one option is to just make degrading to scblink (or uncontrolled) be something special about being on the same level as the orb 15:55:57 <|amethyst> wheals: because it has at least three different meanings in C 15:56:09 <|amethyst> err, two in C, one more in C++ 15:56:11 something that remains the same when a function is rerun 15:56:24 (trying to figure out how to move the V:8 walls to lua) 15:56:30 which IMO would be fine, we already do special stuff to teleport on orbrun (delaying it) 15:56:39 yep, that would be good 15:56:39 <|amethyst> wheals: you can use a global for that, or use a closure instead of a function 15:56:44 yeah, re zot:5 15:56:49 <|amethyst> s/a function/a named function/ 15:57:14 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 15:57:15 for hell ends and tomb, I think cblink working there isn't a big deal 15:57:58 add -tele as a death curse 15:57:59 (certainly it would make them easier though if ?blinking works there) 15:58:00 can disable passage on zot:5 like it currently does for -cTele 15:58:21 passage really isn't a problem anywhere IMO 15:58:27 not that you kill things when you are ninjaing 15:58:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:11 <|amethyst> DCSS 0.1: Controlled Blink is level 8, was 4. 15:59:37 what a nerf 15:59:59 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:11 really I would worry more about ?blinking balance than cBlink spell balance with these changes 16:00:17 since they are available to every character 16:00:18 <|amethyst> !learn add announcement https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.roguelike.misc/6eyToSgkY2g/fAbqXbd2Bk0J 16:00:19 announcement[1/1]: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.roguelike.misc/6eyToSgkY2g/fAbqXbd2Bk0J 16:01:31 it's convenient that the only balance in that regard is for extended (assuming the zot:5 exception) 16:02:00 right, and extended balance is somewhat more flexible 16:02:02 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:02:44 + Shields have a wider (and cooler) selection of egos available. 16:03:19 I'm having a hard time thinking of cool shield egos now even :P 16:03:37 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:03:59 reflection :p 16:04:08 the #1 shield ego 16:04:40 reflection is sort of cool, yes (at least nowadays; it used to be much worse) 16:05:04 I really like it for elf actually 16:05:30 since DEMAs and cspear/iron shot 16:05:54 I can't seem to build git-tiles on debian, is the libsdl2-image-dev package not actually called libsdl2-image-dev? 16:08:53 at a glance, it looks like the debian stable doesn't have SDL2 packages 16:09:40 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:09:55 <|amethyst> hm, looking at #9492, fire dragon trampled a lava snake out of lava 16:10:04 <|amethyst> the thing that's supposed to prevent this is: 16:10:09 <|amethyst> || !feat_has_solid_floor(grd(new_pos)) 16:10:09 <|amethyst> && !defender->is_habitable_feat(grd(new_pos)) 16:10:44 ok, for some reason my first implementation is filling V:5 with trees, liquids, and translucent walls 16:11:12 <|amethyst> but the first part of that check means it's always possible to trample something onto floor 16:12:25 <|amethyst> it's likewise possible to trample an electric eel out of deep water 16:12:41 <|amethyst> maybe the only bug there is that we don't have a corpse tile for lava snakes 16:12:52 http://sprunge.us/ARRi?lua 16:12:56 <|amethyst> or that they can leave corpses 16:13:01 any idea why this isn't working? 16:13:03 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:21 <|amethyst> wheals: isn't working how? 16:14:39 one sec 16:16:39 http://sprunge.us/GMEg 16:16:45 ^^^that is how 16:16:54 <|amethyst> oh, yeah, same thing here 16:17:06 <|amethyst> wheals: oh 16:17:17 <|amethyst> wheals: SUBST: x = dngn_metal_wall 16:17:25 <|amethyst> wheals: doesn't do what you assume 16:17:30 oh right 16:17:35 KFEAT x = metal_wall 16:17:37 <|amethyst> hmm 16:17:39 thanks :) 16:17:54 <|amethyst> either that or subst it with the letter, yeah 16:17:58 i bet hangedman will have a good laugh at my expense 16:19:29 <|amethyst> wheals: there is another problem 16:20:07 <|amethyst> wheals: which is that vault code runs twice, once at crawl startup and once when generating the level 16:20:20 -!- Nunya has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 16:21:37 <|amethyst> wheals: so currently that if vaults_end_wall_type == nil will be true only in the former case 16:22:53 mm 16:22:54 <|amethyst> wheals: meaning if you get green crystal and use restart_after_game, your next game will get green crystal too 16:23:18 yeah 16:23:25 i guess i will have to use dgn.persist? 16:23:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24:15 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:39 and there's another problem, a few of the subvaults don't run vaults_end_loot or _rune 16:25:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:26:16 grunt_orc_gardens looks fairly painless 16:28:07 for the latter problem, it might be nice to specify you want some map directive to apply to all subvaults 16:28:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:49 <|amethyst> ah, dgn.persist 16:30:06 <|amethyst> yeah, that works for restart_after_game 16:30:17 <|amethyst> still doesn't help with &^R but probably that's fine? 16:30:35 yeah, will just make testing a pain :) 16:31:15 i'll work on that tomorrow i guess 16:32:40 -!- DirkDiggler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:01 -!- TAS-2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-4031-gacd4c06: Remove an apparent vestige of the shop hack. 10(78 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acd4c06fb9c9 16:33:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-4032-gcaa303a: Refactor some mimic generation. 10(60 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=caa303aa219f 16:33:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-4033-g6cc37e0: Let Pan/Hell/Slime/Tomb have mimics. 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc37e00f954 16:33:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-4034-gd7eee1f: Move some feature substitutions to the end of levelgen. 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7eee1f81efc 16:33:57 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:34:01 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:35:07 ugh do mimics really need to show up all through extended 16:35:50 s/all.*// 16:35:53 or at all, yes 16:35:58 i don't really care 16:36:10 rip mimics 16:36:14 you won't be missed 16:36:16 just thought that exclusion was really weird 16:39:14 %git c0e28c74826 16:39:14 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-1247-gc0e28c7: No mimics in Hell/Pan/Tomb. 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 15+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0e28c74826c 16:40:52 admittedly, just as much justification as my commit 16:41:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41:23 presumably that was when they were monsters and so became (even more) ignorable 16:42:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4035-ga7f2d1e: Reorder a member. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7f2d1e095ec 16:42:41 good point 16:43:48 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:55 i don't think those places really have much in the way of mimicable stuff 16:45:09 but if you think it's a big deal, i'm not very attached to it 16:45:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:33 i'd argue for mimic removal before arguing to special-case them in extended again i guess 16:45:58 i don't know what they're even meant to be now 16:46:51 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:48 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:18 <|amethyst> vault-placed mimics could still do good, e.g. on V:5 16:49:34 <|amethyst> but I wouldn't be all that sad about random mimics going away 16:49:51 true, the v:$ mimic is okay as far as mimics go yeah 16:49:57 <|amethyst> would reduce the number of "three S branch" bug reports 16:50:31 I don't particularly like the V:$ rune mimic 16:50:42 the abyssal rune mimic vault(s) are cute though 16:50:59 <|amethyst> (the S branch one could also be fixed by having autotravel try to step on stairs, not just get within LOS of them) 16:51:05 <|amethyst> s/travel/explore/ 16:51:25 I would prefer to disable random mimics rather than change how autoexplore works 16:52:27 <|amethyst> oh, they just cancelled two more days of classes 16:52:38 -!- Walttt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:51 <|amethyst> well, there goes the schedule for the rest of the semester 16:58:12 -!- Pereza0 has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:15 FR: flavour felid stabbing as a throat bite 17:03:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:28 -!- roushguy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05:18 felid? shouldn't that be vp? 17:06:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:06:26 <|amethyst> Kramin: but then you have to worry about which monsters have throats 17:06:41 <|amethyst> also, what happens when your felid gets the beak mutation 17:06:49 <|amethyst> (can felids get beaks? I assume so) 17:07:01 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:20 you RIP the throat of the yak 17:07:35 -!- clouded_ has quit [] 17:07:44 <|amethyst> FR: throat wolves 17:07:46 you TEAR the windpipe of the draconian 17:07:53 grunt will implement this 17:07:56 I know it 17:08:13 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:08:15 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:19 <|amethyst> (with firstest strike, of course) 17:08:22 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 17:08:22 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:47 just pretend all monsters have throats 17:08:51 no-one will notice 17:09:13 I mean, how are you supposed to stab an orb of fire anyway 17:09:19 -!- Pereza0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:09:27 it doesn't make any sense in any circumstance 17:09:28 <|amethyst> in a vulnerable meridian! 17:09:56 <_miek> You tear the windpipe of the jelly 17:10:01 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:09 <|amethyst> You smear the jelly! 17:10:32 you devour the jelly 17:10:58 <_miek> fr: wielding a bread ration instakills jellies 17:10:59 you goble the orb of fire 17:11:02 <_miek> and makes new flavoured foods 17:11:03 *gobble 17:11:43 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:20 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:55 You global the orb of fire. 17:15:02 <|amethyst> Evil Auto 17:15:44 would be nice to have something to indicate that felids can stab and other claw dudes can't though, is there any such thing currently? 17:16:07 Could make it a mutation 17:16:14 <|amethyst> it was made into one not long ago 17:16:19 <|amethyst> "Your paws have sharp claws that are effective at stabbing." 17:16:23 <|amethyst> on the A screen 17:16:28 oh, heh 17:16:30 well, there you go 17:16:30 ok, cool 17:16:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:49 <|amethyst> probably should be mentioned in the manual too, though 17:17:05 <|amethyst> possibly even in the two-line char-select message 17:17:27 <|amethyst> but the latter would be difficult 17:18:09 is feen recommended? 17:18:29 <|amethyst> yes, in both directions 17:18:59 that should probably be enough, since it's in the A screen 17:22:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:14 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:29 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:26:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4036-g8dd8153: Doxx. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dd8153c5916 17:26:55 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:33 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-4035-ga7f2d1e (34) 17:29:16 <|amethyst> hm 17:29:32 <|amethyst> not sure why http to s-z.org is not working 17:29:33 <|amethyst> other ports are fine 17:32:03 <|amethyst> oh, and it's working now 17:32:30 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 17:33:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4037-g48eebbc: Quote CREDITS.txt more consistently (mauris) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48eebbcb058e 17:41:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:42:15 <|amethyst> err 17:42:35 <|amethyst> %git HEAD~4 17:42:35 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-4033-g6cc37e0: Let Pan/Hell/Slime/Tomb have mimics. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc37e00f954 17:42:44 <|amethyst> I think this makes pan exits a lot more common 17:45:02 <|amethyst> oh, it's even worse, it can crash 17:45:08 <|amethyst> ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 725: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated 17:45:53 <|amethyst> %git HEAD~3 17:45:53 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-4034-gd7eee1f: Move some feature substitutions to the end of levelgen. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7eee1f81efc 17:45:56 <|amethyst> that's the one 17:46:45 <|amethyst> !tell wheals What's the purpose of d7eee1f? It makes Pan have a lot more exits, and occasionally no transit (causing a crash: &^R in Pan several times and it will happen eventually) 17:46:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 17:48:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:48:55 <|amethyst> !tell wheals Because those stairs are also rewritten in _fixup_branch_stairs, which used to be after but is now before _fixup_pandemonium_stairs 17:48:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 17:50:21 <|amethyst> !tell wheals Maybe _fixup_branch_stairs should go into _apply_branch_substitutions, but unless the original commit fixes a bug I think a revert might be more prudent 17:50:22 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 17:51:53 <|amethyst> oh, clan has rebuild since 17:52:03 <|amethyst> s/d/t/ 17:52:49 -!- mushboom has quit [Client Quit] 17:54:07 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:15 aw crap 17:55:03 |amethyst: the idea was to make the logic more clear, but i guess the logic wasn't amenable to clarity :) 17:55:36 i'd suggest reversion and adding a DLB-style comment: // Yes, the order here matters! 17:56:29 nice to know who this "mauris" character people've been mentioning is, though 17:57:32 mauris is mauris 17:57:51 then who is fcrawl 17:59:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:59:48 <|amethyst> wheals: mauris is also the guy who wrote the ATC bot 18:00:02 <|amethyst> ??atc[2] 18:00:02 atc[2/2]: bot by mauris at https://bpaste.net/show/e82836e0ab6c 18:01:09 |amethyst: thinking about it again, it might make more sense to move _fixup_branch_stairs() to the very end of the function 18:01:49