00:01:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:08 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 (34) 00:13:28 !larratio * Be 00:13:39 !larratio * Be recent 00:14:50 -!- caleba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:39 !lairratio * Be 00:15:45 * (Be) has reached Lair in 37828 of 318728 attempts: 12% 00:18:23 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:22:31 oops 00:41:35 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:43 -!- markgo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:52 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:48:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:21 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:56:25 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:59:54 -!- kroki has quit [Client Quit] 01:01:55 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:06:04 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:26 !hs * HESu 01:09:27 1645. ldf the Meteorologist (L27 HESu of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-18 01:14:38, with 9990668 points after 169311 turns and 1d+0:01:12. 01:09:43 how hard is it to beat that hs, gammafunk :P 01:10:45 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:15:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:25 very 01:16:38 Su is not as easy as you would think 01:17:02 but 169k turns 01:17:16 !top10 Su 01:17:17 Top 10 for Su: elliptic MuSu 52M4, Sapher MuSu 41M8, Poncheis MuSu 31M0, Poncheis MuSu 28M5, Poncheis MuSu 26M9, Torious DESu 25M6, Bart DrSu 24M8, Poncheis MuSu 24M0, timbw HOSu 23M9, Torious DESu 23M4 01:19:31 52M4? 01:20:00 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:20:04 52.4 million 01:20:12 !hs * Su 01:20:13 70684. elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13 19:39:50, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 01:20:28 no doubt that is the actual score gamma is trying to beat :P 01:20:45 ah, thanks 01:21:24 !hs gammafunk HESu 01:21:24 927. gammafunk the Demonologist (L22 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Vaults:2 (minmay_crypt_entry_simple_sparse) on 2014-08-26 10:34:32, with 661808 points after 36572 turns and 10:28:47. 01:22:10 Kramin: That was back when there was no summoning cap and Summoning was broken beyond belief 01:22:26 true 01:22:39 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 01:22:47 !top10 su recent 01:22:48 Top 10 for su recent: MrPlanck MiSu 20M6, perunasaurus DDSu 18M3, kroki GrSu 18M1, tls9540 DDSu 17M7, MrPlanck GhSu 17M5, agentgt FoSu 16M8, MoogleDan VSSu 15M9, tlatlagkaus MuSu 14M8, stickyfingers MuSu 14M4, ManMan MfSu 12M1 01:22:55 MiSu lol 01:23:17 !hs * su 01:23:18 70684. elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13 19:39:50, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 01:23:22 !hs * su recent 01:23:23 15347. MrPlanck the Shatterer (L27 MiSu of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-01-31 17:13:18, with 20640925 points after 73754 turns and 7:43:42. 01:23:32 !hs * su recent log 01:23:33 15347. MrPlanck, XL27 MiSu, T:73754: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/MrPlanck/morgue-MrPlanck-20150131-171318.txt 01:23:44 trog probably 01:23:56 wonder if they ever cast a spell... 01:24:06 nope, oka 01:24:32 -!- schistosoma has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24:36 trog is better for summoning than su 01:25:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:26:47 !lg * su max=sc x=cv 01:26:47 70684. [cv=0.11-a] elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13 19:39:50, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 01:27:20 !lg * su cv=0.10 01:27:21 6259. MadRaven the Caller (L1 TeSu), slain by a kobold (a +0,+0 whip) on D:1 on 2015-01-03 23:34:44, with 44 points after 246 turns and 0:01:59. 01:27:29 !lg * su cv=0.11 01:27:30 4778. frostsnow the Eclecticist (L12 DESu), slain by a six-headed hydra on Lair:6 on 2015-02-15 06:07:40, with 18738 points after 17040 turns and 3:01:01. 01:27:54 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:55 just go on cszo 01:28:03 play 0.10 01:28:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:29:22 ??su guide 01:29:22 su guide ~ ru guide[1/1]: go {big} 01:29:31 ??big 01:29:32 sacrifice hand[1/1]: Worth 70 piety (slightly more if you had shields skill). 1) Your shield skill is 0 and you cannot wear a shield/use the offhand punch in uc (even formicids). 2) You cannot wield weapons that require two hands for your race (formicids can still wield large weapons). 3) You lose one ring slot. 01:30:03 best sac 01:33:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:22 chequers: so what's your plan for the screenshots? do you plan to have them match the current place that player is in? 01:36:52 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:37:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:07 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:43 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:17 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:46:31 -!- rockit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46:32 -!- rockit_ is now known as rockit 02:02:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:12:47 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:14:06 -!- schisto has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:18:12 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:34 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 (34) 02:21:47 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:43 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 02:27:52 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:28:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:29:03 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:40 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:21 sacrifice hand as a fe 02:48:09 -!- twb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:33 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55:07 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 02:56:02 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:58:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:02:42 hobble along 03:03:24 it should increase move delay to 0.9 03:03:27 on felid 03:11:23 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:19 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:36 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:31:58 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 03:37:15 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:34 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 03:53:21 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53:38 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:05:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:25:12 -!- hy-on-github_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:18 -!- hy-on-github has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:28:18 -!- hy-on-github_ is now known as hy-on-github 04:29:17 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:38:45 -!- rockit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:47:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:53:59 Kramin: yes, but only match as closely as branch 04:54:09 beyond that the number of combinations gets scarily high 04:54:46 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:31 -!- Bridgit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:57:35 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 05:01:48 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 05:05:12 !woniflair 05:05:16 MakMorn has won after reaching lair 8 out of 195 times: 4% 05:06:40 chequers: combinations of what? are you doing race and branch? 05:07:56 having the appropriate race would be cool 05:08:21 i'm not doing any combinations because the number would be too high 05:08:33 yeah, it would be high... 05:08:51 but if you were offering, I could do species and melee/mage differentiation quite easily 05:09:06 heh, I'm not offering lol 05:09:10 for species, you really just need humanoid, centaur & octopode 05:09:18 for melee/mage, just do it in plate & robe 05:09:19 900 screenshots later 05:09:35 even with wizmode that's a daunting prospect 05:10:05 wassup 05:10:39 chequers: could you recreate the player tile? 05:10:55 like get the race and equipment somehow 05:11:04 I dunno 05:11:06 personally? no, I want to do as little as work as possible to get the required screenshots 05:11:25 I meant somehow automatically like crawl does it 05:11:29 but yes, someone could write js to build puppets dynamically, and assuming it didn't load too much data I'd use it 05:11:47 would be a bunch of work though 05:11:53 the problem with live game embeds is that the current system for loading sprites is 3mb of a giant PNG 05:20:25 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:21:22 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:46 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:33:11 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:46:32 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:33 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00:00 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:03 -!- UbAh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:45 -!- mauris__ is now known as mauris 06:36:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:39:34 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:27 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:40 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Client Quit] 06:43:51 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:49:37 -!- muravey_ has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 06:54:40 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:26 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:00 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:04:33 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:06:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:10:07 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 07:12:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:37 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:25:13 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:25:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:32:55 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:36 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:44 chequers: i think forum and irc links don't need to be self-deprecating (or the wiki link should have "up-to-date" in quotes to match) 07:36:15 <|amethyst> that's intentional 07:36:35 <|amethyst> AIUI chequers wants more people to go to wiki 07:37:09 <|amethyst> since IRC isn't very friendly to non-technical people 07:37:24 <|amethyst> for that matter, ##crawl isn't very friendly to anybody 07:38:11 well having the wiki link seems fine, even claiming it's up-to-date when it clearly isn't is ok i guess, but i don't think it's really appropriate to then claim that irc and the forum are actively worse 07:38:32 just having the wiki link and the irc link means more people will go to the wiki than irc 07:38:42 because as you say, people understand wikis and not irc 07:39:22 <|amethyst> I do think "up-to-date" is overselling it quite a bit 07:40:41 -!- axujen_ has quit [Quit: Axujen out!] 07:42:32 chequers: also i get this: http://i.imgur.com/w5ykeWb.png 07:42:44 <|amethyst> 441 @0.15, 585 @0.14, 477 @0.13, 92 @0.12, 9 @0.11, 7 @0.10 07:42:56 <|amethyst> and 52 @0.16 07:43:20 <|amethyst> But probably a significant number of those 477 and 585 could be upgraded without changing the actual content 07:43:44 <|amethyst> for that matter, the alarm trap page (up to date for 0.12) probably doesn't need to be changed to get up to date for 0.15 07:43:57 <|amethyst> or 16 07:44:37 <|amethyst> oh, I guess it has one phrase that is not incorrect but has incorrect implications 07:44:54 <|amethyst> about how levitating creatures can set it off because it's a magical trap 07:45:15 wow, mark existed in 0.12? 07:45:20 time flies 07:45:30 <|amethyst> %git :/igh Vaultage 07:45:31 Could not find commit :/igh Vaultage (git returned 128) 07:46:04 <|amethyst> 0.12 was "High Vaultage", yeah 07:46:15 chequers: on the download page, the "android" heading looks like a link but isn't one, and android console link says "current unavailable" rather than currently 07:48:34 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:51:39 -!- rophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:52 <|amethyst> !seen ontoclasm 07:51:52 I last saw ontoclasm at Tue Feb 17 05:12:29 2015 UTC (8h 39m 23s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 07:52:54 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm Cthulhu_55 is interested in contributing tiles, see the bottom of https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=596 07:52:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 07:54:20 <|amethyst> Napkin: besides gretell being down (I would have started it up but I can't find it), I noticed that the arts.crawl.develz.org vhost isn't working (the files are there locally, but I guess not the apache config?) 07:55:23 |amethyst: screen, ./gretell.pl 07:55:33 <|amethyst> oh 07:55:40 <|amethyst> it's just sitting right there 07:55:50 <|amethyst> I was looking though all kinds of subdirectories :) 07:56:05 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:08 <|amethyst> thanks 07:56:15 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:20 :) 07:56:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: I noticed art.crawl.develz.org does exist but doesn't seem to have content... a typo somewhere? 07:56:33 <|amethyst> (front page links to arts) 07:56:49 no, art (non-existent) is caught by default empty page 07:57:06 arts apache config is there, though 07:57:06 <|amethyst> Napkin: art. is in DNS but arts. is not 07:57:11 let me check 07:57:43 <|amethyst> Host arts.crawl.develz.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) 07:58:07 <|amethyst> @??-version 07:58:08 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-a0-1119-g9b3a599 07:58:27 weird 08:00:30 hmm, previously arts.crawl.develz.org was answered by *.develz.org A record... not anymore, it seems 08:01:45 -!- n1000_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:58 <|amethyst> Napkin: that's weird... xyzzy.arts.crawl.develz.org works 08:02:36 <|amethyst> Napkin: well, resolves I mean... it gets the empty page 08:02:50 $ host arts.crawl.develz.org 08:02:50 arts.crawl.develz.org has address 213.133.100.188 08:02:50 arts.crawl.develz.org has IPv6 address 2a01:4f8:a0:90b1::2:2 08:03:14 <|amethyst> okay 08:03:25 added *.crawl.develz.org.. 08:03:33 thanks for pointing that out, |amethyst :) 08:03:35 <|amethyst> restarted my name server and it works now 08:04:20 <|amethyst> (I think we should invite and/or pay Jeph Jacques to do a title screen) 08:04:49 <|amethyst> Rebuilding Gretell's monster while I'm logged int 08:04:54 <|amethyst> s/int/in/ 08:05:06 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:05:10 <|amethyst> Since I haven't been able to get (the other parts of) Chei to work properly on CSZO 08:05:19 <|amethyst> @??-version 08:05:19 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-a0-1119-g9b3a599 08:05:21 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.16-a0-1880-g4c91d73 08:05:21 <|amethyst> %??-version 08:07:45 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:47 thanks, |amethyst 08:10:10 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:55 Unable to build current git master branch (6ff35b5) on OSX 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9491 by rabbashanks 08:10:55 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 08:11:00 <|amethyst> @??shard shrike 08:11:00 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5345 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 08:13:19 <|amethyst> 9491 is the makefile issue (removing a header file requires a make clean because of our depgen rules) 08:13:23 <|amethyst> Napkin: thank you too 08:19:20 <|amethyst> ??badwiki 08:19:20 badwiki[1/1]: An old wiki (with lots of out of date and incorrect info; enter at your own risk): http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ 08:19:23 <|amethyst> ??wiki[2] 08:19:23 wiki[2/2]: A Japanese wiki for DCSS players is at http://mars.kmc.gr.jp/~dis/dcss_wiki/ 08:19:27 <|amethyst> ??wiki[1] 08:19:27 wiki[1/2]: The development wiki (which is open to non-developers!) is located at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=DCSS:start . For more information about the "other" wiki, on Chaosforge, see {badwiki} 08:28:48 <|amethyst> !learn add wiki[2] An unofficial wiki for players is at http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ . Not always completely up-to-date. 08:28:48 wiki[2/3]: An unofficial wiki for players is at http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ . Not always completely up-to-date. 08:29:02 <|amethyst> !learn edit wiki[1] s/ For more.*// 08:29:02 wiki[1/3]: The development wiki (which is open to non-developers!) is located at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=DCSS:start . 08:30:06 <|amethyst> !learn edit badwiki[1] s/.*/see {wiki[2]}/ 08:30:06 badwiki[1/1]: see {wiki[2]} 08:30:09 <|amethyst> ??badwiki 08:30:09 wiki[2/3]: An unofficial wiki for players is at http://crawl.chaosforge.org/ . 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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:49:28 <|amethyst> !learn add wiki[3] If factual information is incorrect or out of date, request an account and get to updating! 08:49:28 wiki[3/4]: If factual information is incorrect or out of date, request an account and get to updating! 08:49:55 <|amethyst> !learn edit badwiki[1] s/2/3/ 08:49:56 badwiki[1/1]: see {wiki[3]} 08:49:58 <|amethyst> ??badwiki 08:49:58 wiki[3/4]: If factual information is incorrect or out of date, request an account and get to updating! 08:56:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:56:13 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:58:23 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:06 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 09:15:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15:25 -!- Ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:15:44 -!- ly__ is now known as Ly^ 09:17:04 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:31 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:09 -!- ly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:19:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:33 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:53 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:06 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:44 -!- stevee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:29:44 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:21 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:39:05 -!- Ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:41 -!- ly_ is now known as Ly^ 09:46:56 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:49:03 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:51 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:56:07 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:07:23 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:29 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:09 -!- Ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:18:52 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:19:33 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:23:30 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:46 -!- siepu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:25:39 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:45 -!- ly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:30:52 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:20 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:15 -!- ly__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:44:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:06 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:38 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:47 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:02:54 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:21 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:21 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-4020-g6ff35b5 (34) 11:13:02 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:26:01 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:43 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: mrwooster] 11:34:07 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:47 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:03 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 11:36:18 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:49 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 11:39:50 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:40:20 -!- Chivqvq has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:23 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:25 -!- athros has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:54:35 chequers: I'll have time to work on the website this week, sorry for the delay. been orchestrating a semi-move to california 11:58:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:02 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12:22 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:27 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:27 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:29 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:57 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:27:49 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31:44 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 12:45:28 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:13 you're coming to steal our weather aren't you! 12:46:44 actually if you bring some water we'll let you have it oh god please bring water 12:47:12 considered asking boston for some snow? 12:48:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:50:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:39 http://anydice.com/program/5480 hey guys i heard you like melee damage 12:57:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:37 -!- athros has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:35 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: ldf_] 13:02:40 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:05:38 -!- ly_ is now known as ly^ 13:09:11 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:09:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:30 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:15:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:41 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:17:02 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:02 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 13:17:02 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 13:19:07 -!- CrawlOffline|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:20:27 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:27:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:25 -!- caleb is now known as Guest36851 13:35:14 -!- Guest36851 is now known as caleba 13:35:41 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:36:24 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:34 mudo (L2 VpTm) ASSERT(col < MAX_TERM_COLOUR) in 'options.h' at line 571 failed. (D:1) 13:40:57 <|amethyst> &rc mudo 13:40:58 http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/mudo.rc 13:41:16 <|amethyst> !crashlog mudo 13:41:16 9. mudo, XL2 VpTm, T:770 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/mudo/crash-mudo-20150217-194018.txt 13:42:06 status_caption_colour = dark 13:42:12 was the thing 13:45:42 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47:45 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48:59 -!- tstbtto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:52:48 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:54:02 <|amethyst> st_: thanks 13:56:40 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:58:11 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:50 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:26 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:32 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:10:33 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14:22 <|amethyst> hm 14:14:47 <|amethyst> would also be nice if we could trigger a redraw whenever setopt changes something that needs one 14:15:16 <|amethyst> I guess it's probably best to leave that up to individual options to set you.redraw_foo rather than calling redraw_screen from crawl_setopt or something 14:16:39 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:32 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4021-g900b867: Disallow elemental status_caption_colour and background_colour. 10(19 minutes ago, 3 files, 11+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=900b867fb7dc 14:19:34 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 14:19:40 <|amethyst> That doesn't fix all wants-a-nonelemental-colour options, but two of the more obvious ones anyway 14:19:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:02 <|amethyst> (it only changes the ones where the option value is just a colour) 14:25:32 <|amethyst> tempted to have crawl.setopt() save the game, at least if you aren't in wizmode 14:28:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28:26 <|amethyst> or perhaps asserts about UI state rather than game state should save before they die 14:30:57 -!- n1000_ is now known as nonethousand 14:31:00 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 14:31:00 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-4022-gf202f35: Don't make Xom amused by losing or destroying the Orb or runes 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f202f35317ba 14:32:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:33:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:58 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:53 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38:09 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:55 -!- Rebelfire has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:49:23 <+MarvinPA> chequers: i think forum and irc links don't need to be self-deprecating <-- I was mostly trying to be funny with the self deprecation, since the wiki is not "official" I didn't want to be deprecating, but I guess it's inconsistent 14:49:37 <+MarvinPA> chequers: also i get this: http://i.imgur.com/w5ykeWb.png <-- known issue, will be fixed pre-launch 14:49:45 right, it just sticks out to me next to the wiki link 14:50:28 <+MarvinPA> chequers: on the download page, the "android" <--- fixed, thanks 14:50:29 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:19 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:53:42 i went with self-deprecation for the wiki as well, but now the whole section might be too negative :P 14:54:03 but I would like to set expectations for newbies entering eg tavern that it's a pretty horrible place 14:54:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:54:13 yeah i'd prefer just saying "discuss whatever" and "filled with active players" for tavern/irc 14:56:22 i wouldn't say tavern is especially horrible, the advice forums are pretty okay i think 14:57:37 hey i have a serious FR 14:57:52 you know the dungeon entry vault with one of each race behind glass? 14:58:11 when you come back up with the orb it they open up and attack you 14:58:30 *they should 14:59:17 i definitely don't think we should be self-deprecating for all these links anyway, setting a bunch of negative expectations seems like not the way to go 14:59:27 yes 14:59:37 <|amethyst> if tavern is a horrible place the solution is more moderation 14:59:42 <_miek> I definitely like the "live games" idea though 15:02:07 <|amethyst> rast: it seems kind of cruel to do that in the 1/5 cases where it's full of Zot monsters 15:02:31 oh also the live games seems to have duplicate images a bunch, presumably that's just because the pool is limited at the moment though? 15:02:42 id forgotten about those, but IMO its even more awesome in that case 15:04:35 |amethyst: well, I can't do that in time for the website re-release :) 15:04:55 chequers: What do you think about linking the akrasiac scoring page, as well? 15:05:56 good idea, but not from the front page 15:06:24 if the UI was significantly improved it could be interesting to new players but right now I'd say it's a negative 15:06:40 from the 'show all games online' we could probably link each player name to their page 15:07:16 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07:19 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:08:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10:07 that's a good idea 15:14:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-4023-g001212b: Add undead vine stalkers in shiori_arrival_whats_in_store_for_you. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=001212bb6aa3 15:15:12 -!- cribozai_ is now known as cribozai 15:17:45 ever wondered how the melee damage calculation would look in as a single expression 15:17:50 -in 15:19:02 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:49 ((((1d((BASEDAM * 39 + ((1d(STR-11)-1) * 2)) / 39)) * (2500 + 1d(SKILL*100))) / 2500) * (3000 + 1d(FIGHTING*100))) / 3000 + (1dSLAYING - 1) 15:20:53 somewhat like this 15:21:58 wonderful is it not 15:23:14 kuniqs (L27 DDEE) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. (Zig:13) 15:26:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:15 love the magic numbers 15:29:26 magic numbers are small offenders compared to the sheer amount of randomness found within it 15:30:12 Bloax: hey did you know that adding/multiplying random numbers makes them -less- random 15:30:58 well yeah but have fun taking a guess what some of them may result in 15:31:03 more variation, less variance 15:31:59 compared to randint * (every variable)? 15:32:54 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:02 I'm really not sure what would be so embarassing about reducing the amount of random2() calls in this section of the code. 15:33:38 <|amethyst> Not embarassing, but the number of random2() calls isn't important 15:39:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:46 !learn add implemented_bad_ideas 1444. Chokoban! 15:41:47 implemented bad ideas[28/28]: 1444. Chokoban! 15:43:15 -!- athros has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:56 !learn del implemented_bad_ideas[8] 15:43:57 Deleted implemented bad ideas[8/28]: Silly hats. 15:44:07 sadly never made it into trunk :( 15:45:05 <|amethyst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEiyBbP28g8 15:47:05 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:44 MarvinPA: is it possible for the square with an abyssal rune on it to morph into lava? 15:49:05 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:50:47 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:28 2194. troves that ask to convert to a certain god 15:54:32 so close :P 15:56:13 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:37 2261. Final Nemelex power: you can wield a deck and 'riffle' or 'shoot' them at one enemy. Each card left in the deck is fired in rapid succession as a magic dart, and the player is affected as though he read each card in turn. Can only be used on decks that have neither been stacked nor marked. 15:56:42 also pretty close! 15:56:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:24 !tell twelwe 2277. More undead food items: undead pizza slices, pizza lich. Also pizza golem, pizza elemental, pizza spore, wandering pizza 15:57:25 wheals: OK, I'll let twelwe know. 15:58:43 !learn add implemented_bad_ideas 2306. zig sprint. Start with a L1 char and reach as far as possible. Orb on Zig:27. 15:58:44 implemented bad ideas[28/28]: 2306. zig sprint. Start with a L1 char and reach as far as possible. Orb on Zig:27. 15:58:57 there are tons of these :P 16:00:51 ??implemented bad ideas[21 16:00:52 implemented bad ideas[21/28]: 20. You should get a combo multiplier for subsequent kills. 16:00:54 song of slaying? 16:01:42 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:31 m-m-m-mega kill 16:04:17 m-m-m-monster killl ill ll l 16:04:27 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:27 wheals: I recall a Dnd3 module that featured a calzone golem 16:06:52 It got tougher if you hit it with fireball, thus over-baking it 16:06:58 You devour the calzone golem like a ham!!!! 16:07:58 !learn del implemented_bad_ideas[5 16:07:59 Deleted implemented bad ideas[5/28]: Some uniques are friends with each other and will berserk if you've killed their buddy (or lover). 16:08:08 <|amethyst> FR: zin dislikes eating hog flesh 16:08:47 Also, Hawaiian Pizza 16:09:00 and you can't butcher hogs while wielding the sword of jihad 16:11:07 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:58 but how can you slaughter demons then 16:12:02 we all know that demons are pigs 16:14:37 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:53 "Banished monsters sometimes come back worshipping Lugonu." 16:15:59 i think this should actually be a thing 16:16:03 for uniques only 16:19:27 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:36 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:30:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:31:45 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:06 -!- link_1081 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:09 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:40:53 -!- mspang has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:18 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:43:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:39 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:01:37 ??implemented bad ideas[26] 17:01:37 implemented bad ideas[26/27]: 1444. Chokoban! 17:01:48 is this in reference to labs or something 17:02:13 -!- johnf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:06:16 <|amethyst> !tag bh_chokoban 17:06:25 <|amethyst> !vault bh_chokoban 17:06:26 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_features.des;hb=HEAD#l3341 17:15:55 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:16:23 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-4023-g001212b (34) 17:18:56 FR: a screen that shows which of the timed portal vaults you've seen or entered, along with the possible spawn areas for the ones you haven't 17:22:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33:14 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:09 -!- dspencer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:17 !next 17:43:48 !next Lasty 17:43:56 The RNG decrees that Lasty shall win DgAr next. 17:44:11 . . . huh. 17:44:14 Awright. 17:44:22 When did that change? 17:44:46 when you put a space before the ! 17:45:00 Oh, heh. 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The summons cap actually doesn't matter much relative to how easy summons were in 0.10 vs trunk, but the biggest things there are the big xp requirement changes for skill/xl (happened in 0.13), no out-of-los kills for summons (in 0.11), and old vaults + no rune lock (0.12 and 0.13 iirc), probably in that order 18:32:45 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:59 But HE is very non-optimal for summons; I just would like to get the HE score back and will quit any char that can't beat 39k 18:34:01 last one was right on track for that, sadly I ran out of all forms of teleport, no =tele, and I didn't really see this problem coming until too late 18:34:33 ah, yeah I figured you wanted the hs or bust :) 18:35:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:28 |amethyst: I'm not sure if you're the right one to ask here, but I was going to increase the digits printed for fsim because, as crate pointed out in a tavern post, it's hard to make sense of what equipment is better in terms of aveffdam at times with only one digit 18:38:51 just increasing the digits in the printf string works, but I'm not sure if I should be more systematic 18:39:09 !function _fight_string 18:39:10 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/wiz-fsim.cc;hb=HEAD#l55 18:39:28 mostly replacing those .1f with .2f 18:40:05 I should look at how the full fsim output is affected I guess 18:40:25 gammafunk: pretty sure the error is large enough that adding that much precision is silly 18:40:31 oh really? 18:40:38 is there any reason the slouch functions in godabil.cc (_slouchable() and _slouch_monsters()) don't call cheibriados_monster_player_speed_delta() 18:40:51 elliptic: that would depend on your fsim iterations, no? 18:40:53 I mean, it's just averaging 1000 trials or something, right? 18:40:54 I can't tell if the latter does something slightly different from what the former does 18:40:55 which is a variable 18:41:00 an rc option, rather 18:41:09 it is? didn't know that 18:41:29 maybe change the default value of that variable at the same time 18:41:47 Options.fsim_rounds 18:41:49 <|amethyst> slouch is improved by being slowed 18:41:59 <|amethyst> piety is not 18:42:12 but at the default number of iterations it seems to have noticeable error even with only one digit after the decimal point on a lot of things 18:42:38 it doesn't seem much slower on my system when I set it to 10000, but that's again with quick fsim 18:43:03 elliptic: this was in the context of reported aveffdam defending of 0.6 and 0.7 18:43:04 <|amethyst> full fsim is slow, please don't make it 1/10 the speed by default :) 18:43:10 ah 18:43:13 for defending the numbers tend to be smaller 18:43:30 hrm, perhaps scale the digits with the rounds? 18:44:00 yeah, I've never used fsim for defending 18:44:11 so there an extra digit is indeed probably useful 18:44:16 <|amethyst> %.3g should do that I think ? 18:44:24 <|amethyst> three significant figures 18:44:42 |amethyst: that sounds reasonable 18:44:44 <|amethyst> of course it can also spill over into scientific notation :/ 18:45:03 would have to be heug dmg I guess 18:45:27 <|amethyst> oh 18:45:38 <|amethyst> %.3g will happily give .0002 18:45:46 yeah was going to say, looking at this reference 18:45:49 <|amethyst> since significant figs 18:46:12 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:27 gammafunk: as an example of what I meant, with default number of iterations I just got 17.4, 17.5, 17.4, 17.0, 17.9 in successive trials when attacking 18:48:56 -!- roushguy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:57 which is why I feel like stuff like 17.53 would be pretty silly :P 18:49:35 yeah, I think you're right about that, and I don't thing g actually helps us, from what I'm reading 18:49:56 looks like it just chooses between f and e, whichever is shortest? 18:50:06 maybe my reference is old 18:51:52 <|amethyst> yes, but it also causes .N to be interpreted as sig figs instead of digits after the decimal 18:52:27 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:53 ok 18:55:10 I guess default number of rounds is actually 4000? 18:55:45 yeah seems so 18:56:00 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:56:11 -!- worldfamousw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:58:15 elliptic: I guess the simplest approach would be to only print an extra digit for aveffdam when defending 18:58:17 and the max we allow is 500000... it looks to me like you usually need close to that max to really have much confidence in the third sigfig 18:59:09 you're basing this on just running fsim and looking at the variation? 18:59:12 gammafunk: that's simple and extra digits don't hurt, but aveffdam is high sometimes also and the 4th sigfig looks pretty silly there 18:59:14 yeah 18:59:55 elliptic: well that's why I said only when defending, but it is a problem there as well 19:00:16 right, I mean sometimes aveffdam is high when defending too :P 19:01:28 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:55 anyway I think using actual sigfigs would be best, but I don't know anything about whether g works for that 19:02:42 ug, yeah even with 10k I see variation on the order of .1 19:03:32 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:37 gammafunk: the rule is that if you want 10 times as much accuracy then you need 100 times as many trials 19:05:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:05:49 -!- mauris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:42 this is just arguing by the s.e. being mu/sqrt(n)? 19:08:03 er sorry sigma/sqrt(n) 19:09:26 s.e. = s.d.? 19:09:33 haha, yeah 19:09:40 .....long day 19:10:01 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:10:19 well actually no, I do mean the standard error of the mean 19:10:55 (I don't actually know statistics, I just know the central limit theorem) 19:11:54 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:11 <_miek> usually they're the same thing right? 19:15:05 I guess standard error of the mean is just fancy terminology for standard deviation of the distribution given by taking the mean of n samples, yes 19:15:56 actually, he meant standard eviation 19:16:10 standard aviation, I'm flying 19:16:29 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:16:43 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17:00 the standard aviation of the moon? 19:19:31 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:21:47 <|amethyst> oh, if we're going to release we're going to need a title for the release 19:22:19 true 19:22:33 somethingsomethingshrikes 19:22:56 the shrike strikes back 19:22:57 doll out word choices by number of 0.16 commits 19:23:17 I probably earned a fraction of a consonant 19:23:48 DCSS: histories of shrikes and amputation 19:24:27 The ____ shrikes back 19:24:47 oh that joke was made 19:24:49 Lasty of the shrikes 19:25:40 !title Ru 19:25:41 <|amethyst> Starting from 0.6: Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung, Pacific Pachyderm, Frantic Frenzied Felines, Victory Valedictory, Save the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus, Arachnophobia, High Vaultage, Pan-Galactic Gargoyle Blasters, The Shadowy Depths of Madness, Storm Over Zot 19:25:46 Ru: Unarmed Combat 1-27, Conjurations 1-26, Staves 8-14, Maces & Flails 27, Invocations (Lugonu), Invocations (Okawaru), Invocations (Fedhas), Invocations (Yredelemnul), Invocations (Makhleb) 19:26:18 heheh 19:26:35 !lg * ru sk=invocations s=title 19:26:36 One game for * (ru sk=invocations): Initiate 19:26:57 seriously 19:26:59 one game 19:27:10 no-one has got the other titls 19:27:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:27:53 -!- link_1081 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:28:31 The Tomb of Horrible Sacrifice 19:29:29 DCSS 0.16: Shrike Apocalypse 19:29:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:30:39 <_miek> The shrikening 19:31:46 is gozag in? shrikingly golden 19:32:24 Golden Tombs and Shrike Apocalypses 19:32:32 Inc. 19:33:10 Amputees Anonymous 19:33:29 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:16 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:02 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:53 -!- caleba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:39 call it "Jumping the Shrike" or something 19:47:49 since DCSS jumps the shark every version 19:54:12 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:39 minmay: there wasn't a single version where it didn't jump the shark? 19:57:36 unknown monster: "shark" 19:57:36 %0.15?shark 19:58:15 oh we have a new monster, don't we 19:58:20 @??shard_shrike 19:58:20 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5345 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 19:58:22 good 19:58:36 unknown monster: "shard_shrike" 19:58:36 %??shard_shrike 19:58:45 <|amethyst> @??shard shrike 19:58:45 shard shrike (12b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 21 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 2112(cold:21-62) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold++, 08blind | XP: 5345 | Sp: throw icicle (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 19:58:57 @??caustic shrike 19:58:57 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 101-135 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 3608(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4916 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 19:59:17 |amethyst: yeah I was seeing if Cheibriados got updated too 19:59:38 <|amethyst> not until I figure out why commit announcements aren't working on cszo 19:59:54 <|amethyst> probably something with git 2.0 but I'm not sure 20:00:21 oh, I guess I should finally write at least tentative windows build instructions 20:00:27 I guess with a big disclamer 20:00:34 (that I don't really know what I'm doing) 20:00:56 heh, probably have to include that bit about editing the dvec.h header or w/e it is 20:01:21 maybe I'm lucky and msysgit just updated gcc... 20:03:20 -!- read has quit [Quit: System.exit();] 20:05:00 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:41 seems not 20:09:46 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-4024-g0ecf4ac: Bring jiyva_stat_action() more up to date with modern crawl. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ecf4ac7db1c 20:24:22 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:32 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:24 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:27:52 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:31:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:37:42 -!- eb has quit [] 20:37:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:42:56 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:10 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 20:55:17 -!- dragon is now known as Guest43191 21:02:11 -!- Guest43191 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:10:27 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:16:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:17:44 -!- plathrop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:23:20 -!- plathrop has quit [Changing host] 21:24:54 ilikehotdogs (L22 DDAr) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. 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