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Space collapses on itself with a satisfying crunch. The singularity violently warps pleasingfungus! 10:32:35 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:32:40 !firestorm pleasingfungus 10:32:40 AtomikKrab gestures at pleasingfungus while chanting. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs pleasingfungus! 10:32:46 !glaciate pleasingfungus 10:32:46 AtomikKrab casts a spell at pleasingfungus. AtomikKrab conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs pleasingfungus! 10:32:54 !tornado pleasingfungus 10:32:54 AtomikKrab casts a spell. A great vortex of air appears and lifts AtomikKrab up! pleasingfungus is engulfed in raging winds. 10:32:58 !shatter pleasingfungus 10:32:58 AtomikKrab casts a spell. ##crawl-dev rumbles around AtomikKrab! pleasingfungus shudders from the earth-shattering force. 10:34:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:35:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:36:20 elliptic: i think i know the problem with messages: autopickup is happening after every butcher instead of the last 10:37:06 BUT i can't figure out how the heck autopickup managed to not happen for free before 10:38:51 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:31 do we even know it didn't? :/ 10:54:48 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:59:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:04:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04:52 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:12 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:13 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12 (34) 11:14:56 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:18:52 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19:07 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:23 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:07 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:17 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 11:24:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:26:01 -!- feodoric has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:28:09 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I've heard some calls to remove it, but I'd rather special case it such that polymorphing TRJ first triggers TRJ slime birthing as though TRJ was hit for damage=TRJ_max_hp 12:18:55 Flavored as polymorphing TRJ, most of the slime mass falls off anyway 12:19:42 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:19 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:10 <|amethyst> I'm not sure the polymorphing TRJ is really any more "broken" than polymorphing any other "boss" unique 12:23:31 <|amethyst> s/the/that/ 12:24:04 <|amethyst> I don't think it's the only way to deal with TRJ without producing spawns 12:26:27 <|amethyst> How are people polymorphing TRJ anyway? 12:26:32 ?vuln 12:27:19 easier now that you can do it without unhasting yourself and such, i guess, but it was always doable that way 12:27:30 <|amethyst> Maybe ?vuln shouldn't exist, if "it's easy to use enchantments on this high-but-not-infinite MR monster" is a problem 12:28:05 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:12 <|amethyst> or perhaps all those monsters with 160 and 180 MR could be magic-immune instead 12:29:11 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:20 To the extent that there is a problem, I think the problem is just how much polymorphing TRJ changes the distinctive difficulty of the boss 12:30:29 If we go to the trouble of making a boss monster with unique challenge aspects, it feels lame to change the boss into something you end up fighting dozens of times per game instead. It may not really be that much harder, but it's much more lame. 12:30:39 er, much easier 12:33:17 huh did slime creature poly break at some point 12:33:17 i was going to jokingly suggest having trj split off all the Js and then poly them too, like a merged slime creature 12:33:17 but that seems not to happen any more? 12:33:17 I don't think I've ever seen that happen 12:33:17 but I love the idea 12:33:17 maybe i imagined it but i'm fairly sure that's what slime creatures are supposed to do 12:33:17 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: seems to work here 12:33:17 How many Js can TRJ produce, anyways 12:33:17 huh 12:33:17 Infinite, if you let it heal between hits 12:33:17 <|amethyst> magicpoints: infinitely many now that it regens 12:33:17 i just polyed a titanic slime into a single giant orange brain 12:33:17 -!- DKR_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:33:17 dang 12:33:22 ok, second try it worked fine 12:33:29 well, assuming you instakill it from full HP, how many J do you get 12:34:23 <|amethyst> !calc 230 / 12 12:34:24 19 12:35:24 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 15 | HP: 65-102 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1889 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 12:35:24 %?? azure jelly 12:35:24 <|amethyst> Other ways to avoid spawns: pacification, enslavement 12:35:45 you can't pacify trj surely? 12:36:00 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14176 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 12:36:00 %??the royal jelly 12:36:07 <|amethyst> oh right 12:36:14 <|amethyst> you have to polymorph before you pacify 12:37:16 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 12:37:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3993-g9adecdf: Don't let monsters be distracted by your allies under TSO 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9adecdf95704 12:39:04 ^ woot 12:39:31 Enslaving the TRJ doesn't prevent spawns does it? Just causes the spawns to be friendly? 12:39:46 s/the// 12:39:47 <|amethyst> Lasty_: it prevents the spawns 12:39:47 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:39:56 <|amethyst> giving friendly spawns would be a problem 12:39:58 supposedly phantom mirror TRJ produces hostile spawns, so who knows 12:40:01 <|amethyst> I guess you could give enslaved spawns 12:40:11 |amethyst: yeah, that sounds like the way to do it 12:40:34 magicpoints: hostile spawns could easily kill the enslaved TRJ 12:40:40 phantom mirror trj has no spawns 12:40:48 hm 12:40:58 <|amethyst> %git 889d24 12:40:59 07|amethyst02 * 0.12-a0-1582-g889d248: Give TRJ spawns the same attitude as TRJ. 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=889d24827047 12:41:12 <|amethyst> it used to always give hostile spawns, but that caused problems with Jiyva 12:41:28 How? What was attacking it? 12:41:58 <|amethyst> Say neutral trj stepped on a trap, into a cloud, etc. offscreen 12:41:58 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:42:09 <|amethyst> then the spawns would be hostile (they don't convert until you see them) 12:42:21 <|amethyst> and would kill trj without any involvement from the player 12:42:26 there was a good TV sometime of someone dragging Antaeus down to Slime:6 to fight TRJ 12:42:47 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:57 lol 12:43:00 Fair enough 12:43:30 apparently 83 people have killed TRJ while worshipping jiyva though and I don't want to sift through all of those 12:43:53 <|amethyst> !tell mauris only 93 safe planes? Amateur! 12:43:53 |amethyst: OK, I'll let mauris know. 12:43:57 <|amethyst> !tell mauris seriously, though, pretty cool 12:43:58 |amethyst: OK, I'll let mauris know. 12:45:25 <|amethyst> !learn add atc bot by mauris at https://bpaste.net/show/e82836e0ab6c 12:45:26 atc[2/2]: bot by mauris at https://bpaste.net/show/e82836e0ab6c 12:45:36 -!- lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:45:45 |amethyst: glad you enjoy it (it's on termcast if he didnt tell you!) 12:45:58 wait, I was wrong about the victor 12:46:03 !lm * uniq=antaeus slime 12:46:04 1. [2010-10-01 05:41:33] hyperbolic the Portalist (L27 DsCr of Jiyva) killed Antaeus on turn 161826. (Slime:6) 12:47:01 magicpoints: hyperbolic ended up killing polymorphed trj as jiyva in our dieselrobin (we needed the bonus points) 12:47:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:16 -!- feodoric has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:47:39 |amethyst: hmm i guess he's actually just playing "for real" now 12:48:06 unless it is just this slow for botting this many planes? im not sure 12:48:22 oh hey both TRJ and Antaeus died 12:51:07 !lm * current trunk uniq~~royal_jelly / uniq~~shaped 12:51:08 180/3305 milestones for * (current trunk uniq~~royal_jelly): N=180/3305 (5.45%) 12:52:19 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:58 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:27 1/20 TRJ kills being polyed doesn't seem like an excessive amount 12:57:55 !lg * ikiller~~royal_jelly / ikiller~~shaped 12:57:56 1/1116 games for * (ikiller~~royal_jelly): N=1/1116 (0.09%) 12:58:08 !lg * current trunk ikiller~~royal_jelly / ikiller~~shaped 12:58:10 0/203 games for * (current trunk ikiller~~royal_jelly): N=0/203 (0.00%) 12:58:50 !lg * ikiller~~shaped_royal 12:58:52 1. perunasaurus the Warrior (L20 OpSu of Ashenzari), annihilated by a titan shaped Royal Jelly on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2014-08-30 23:16:07, with 271166 points after 49346 turns and 2:27:25. 12:59:46 huh 12:59:46 i didn't realise it was capitalised 12:59:46 !lg * ikiller~~shaped_royal -tv 12:59:46 1. perunasaurus, XL20 OpSu, T:49346 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:59:46 !lg * killer=royal_jelly 12:59:46 38. jdev the Necromancer (L24 SEDK of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a royal jelly on Slime:6 on 2009-07-25 20:06:31, with 388207 points after 114438 turns and 11:41:27. 12:59:46 !lg * killer=the_royal_jelly 12:59:46 237. hanon12 the Warrior (L16 HOFi of Beogh), splashed by the royal jelly's acid on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2015-02-12 11:58:06, with 118401 points after 11792 turns and 1:23:10. 12:59:46 !lg * killer=the_royal_jelly -2 12:59:46 236/237. mono9 the Severer (L15 VSBe of Trog), demolished by the royal jelly on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2015-02-12 07:47:24, with 73539 points after 8454 turns and 1:37:35. 12:59:47 i guess "titan shaped Royal Jelly" is a bug 13:00:10 !log * ikiller~~shaped_royal 13:00:12 1. perunasaurus, XL20 OpSu, T:49346: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.15/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20140830-231607.txt 13:00:48 good 10/10 defenses 13:01:07 good para 13:01:10 yah 13:01:14 -!- nicolae- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:33 brings back fond memories of 4.1 13:02:04 I think part of the reason that poly TRJ is becoming popular is because evocations is a very safe XP investment 13:02:09 !lm * slime:6 status~~para s=name 13:02:10 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:11 11 milestones for * (slime:6 status~~para): hyperbolic, Tarezax, Cracklepappy, tsouns, truffant, Lichemaster, HLA, ELD, araganzar, Jordan7hm, tlatlagkaus 13:02:16 that pretty much every race has easy access to 13:02:21 !lg * slime:6 status~~para s=name 13:02:22 124 games for * (slime:6 status~~para): 2x Roarke, 2x puppykicker, 2x particleface, 2x nago, 2x bart, 2x Implojin, 2x 4tharraofdagon, superfun, Nordon, BONGIKINGI, grimtooth, BeardTony, Georgie, Margery, agentgt, Sphara, flaco, rumun, Moanerette, lunarharp, nooodl, Roadkill, inspector071, twist, lumpensolker, Hambone, moohaus, notcluie, Sky, SomeoneAwful, ophanim, snow, Floodkiller, CarbonBasedLif... 13:02:23 so ~15 evoc isn't unreasonable by the time you're doing slime 13:02:34 !lm * orb status~~para 13:02:35 No milestones for * (orb status~~para). 13:02:37 aw 13:02:54 I have an orb run death caused in part by being petrified by chaos melee 13:02:59 I don't think I was petrified at the time I died though 13:04:31 I had one on the orb run I got 100-0'd by chaos paralysis, only to be revived from the last hit by a random unrequested ely lifesave 13:05:11 "no, no, no! 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ZZZzzz…] 15:25:09 see, this is why paragraphs of research and inspection are required for every commit 15:25:46 oh well, I currently don't care about this 15:25:49 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 15:26:21 R I P 15:26:54 heh, he's on card.freenode.net 15:26:56 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty FR: sac both hands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Jvmp0INP0 15:26:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:27:40 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:30:48 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:31:23 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:26 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:37 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:32:54 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:43 <|amethyst> wheals: https://books.google.com/books?id=FLNCovxKl7IC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false 15:35:04 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:35:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:05 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:43:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:22 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:37 !tell Lasty or FR: sac hand+ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmI3pJHIT90 15:51:38 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:51:43 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:53 -!- rgould has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54:21 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 15:55:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:58:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:43 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-62 | AC/EV: 1/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(140), 10elec++ | XP: 957 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 15:58:43 %??spriggan air mage 15:58:43 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:58:43 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:53 AtomikKrab: never 15:59:04 ah, right, they got upgraded from shock to lightning 15:59:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:10 still have dmsl, tho 15:59:18 also not convinced that them boltbouncing themselves is going to be a problem with 22 ev and dmsl, yeah 15:59:32 not sure about the druid thing 15:59:44 swamp drakes tend to confuse more allies than enemies, tbh 15:59:47 in general 15:59:52 not limited to druids specifically 16:00:08 right, druids come with a convenient band of definitely-non-rpois spriggans for the drakes to confuse either way 16:00:15 so it's not like giving the druids rpois fixes much 16:00:28 |amethyst: is something going on with s-z? it was incredibly laggy when I was playing yesterday 16:00:37 wondering if there's some process hogging the cores or something 16:00:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:26 <|amethyst> hm, nothing visible at the moment 16:01:42 |amethyst: nice 16:02:19 let me see if it's still laggy 16:02:57 yeah, takes about 3 seconds to load the 'r' screen 16:03:03 or spells 16:03:37 any kind of menu? 16:03:43 <|amethyst> hm 16:04:18 <|amethyst> !lm pleasingfungus cszo x=tiles 16:04:20 1576. [2015-02-11 21:20:07] [tiles=true] PleasingFungus the Summoner (L16 MuAs of Gozag) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 44488. (Spider:5) 16:06:07 <|amethyst> hm... not noticing anything here... any javascript errors? 16:08:06 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:13 yeah I was playign today and it was responsive 16:08:59 !lg vidiiot 16:09:00 elliptic: testing changes now but unfortunately message spaminess is hard to test because i compiled in debug mode :P 16:09:00 2676. Vidiiot the Slicer (L6 KoBe of Trog), slain by a scorpion on D:6 on 2015-02-12 19:10:02, with 247 points after 863 turns and 0:03:12. 16:09:33 <|amethyst> ugh... I can't get scoresd to start up properly (just added the new ckr milestone/logfile locations) 16:09:44 <|amethyst> "_mysql_exceptions.OperationalError: (1205, 'Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction')" 16:10:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:17 <|amethyst> oh, now it seems to be working, on the fourth or fifth attempt 16:11:34 <|amethyst> learn add toilet_debugging jiggle the handle. 16:11:34 Okay, not adding toilet_debugging => jiggle the handle. 16:12:15 <|amethyst> greensnark: btw, did you get the new ckr milestone/logfile locations? 16:13:19 hmm, request_autopickup seems like it might be what i want but unfortunately it's checked before delays are 16:13:32 and swapping the order would probably break autoexplore 16:13:58 <|amethyst> greensnark: http://kr.dobrazupa.org:82/{trunk,0.13,0.14,0.15}/{logfile,milestones} same as before but :82/ instead of /www/ 16:14:30 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:14:48 <|amethyst> greensnark: but note that these do not (appear to) include the old games, only ones after the switch to the new server 16:15:29 Bad channel -- diagnostics 16:16:11 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:35 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 16:16:37 i added channel.diagnostics = mute to my init.txt 16:16:58 i guess i could just use ctrl-q 16:17:11 <|amethyst> wheals: it's "diagnostic" for some reason 16:17:17 <|amethyst> !source message_channel_names 16:17:18 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc;hb=HEAD#l169 16:17:20 oh 16:17:32 might make sense for options_guide.txt to say that then :P 16:17:34 no javascript errors that I can see. this is firefox 35.0 on osx 10.10.1. 16:17:36 <|amethyst> I guess the docs.. yeah 16:17:45 will test chrome. 16:18:12 it would also be nice if you could do something like &ctrl-q* 16:18:14 to mute all 16:18:19 no lag in chrome. looks like a browser issue. 16:18:29 brb. 16:18:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 16:19:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:24 how are you using chatzilla in chrome??? 16:19:53 scrub 16:19:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:02 get on my level 16:20:18 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20:23 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:43 ok, looks like it was a transitory issue with an old version of firefox. 35.0.1 doesn't have the problem. 16:20:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:21:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:38 -!- walterch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:25 alternately, an issue with having firefox running too long. 16:23:08 <|amethyst> Maybe ?vuln shouldn't exist, if "it's easy to use enchantments on this high-but-not-infinite MR monster" is a problem 16:23:34 I would agree with removing ?vuln, I don't think it really has legitimate uses that aren't problematic 16:24:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: maybe if it subtracted instead of halving 16:24:12 or at least it should work differently, maybe reducing MR additively rather than halving MR 16:24:15 yes :) 16:24:15 <|amethyst> haha 16:24:45 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:19 alternative option: make vuln last for like 4 turns and remove player buffs?? 16:25:33 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3994-gbbee317: Correct options_guide msgch list. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbee317bcd5a 16:26:43 I think probably it is slightly too easy to poly trj right now, without any significant resource/character investment 16:27:14 but I think it's good that there are currently a ton of different feasible ways to kill trj (fight in corridor, immo, high-level spells, poly nonsense, etc) 16:27:40 I don't think we should aim to kill the Trj Poly Technique 16:27:58 possibly weaken it if it's too dominant but I don't want it gone. it's cool 16:27:58 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:28:09 PleasingFungus: god, they're on 35.0.1? 16:28:23 they switched to chrome-style versioning a while ago 16:28:30 PleasingFungus: it isn't a matter of it being too dominant, it's a matter of it bypassing the point of the monster completely 16:28:37 it still keeps surprising me 16:28:59 they've advanced an order of magnitude while we released 6 or so versions! 16:29:01 elliptic: that's not a bad thing. 16:29:05 IMO it is 16:29:06 <|amethyst> banishing TRJ doesn't actually open up Slime:6 does it? 16:29:11 |amethyst: correct 16:29:19 !send |amethyst a brush of the Abyss 16:29:20 Sending a brush of the Abyss to |amethyst. 16:29:31 <|amethyst> elliptic: there's also enslavement 16:29:49 elliptic: well it's not as if you can't bypass trj with other hexes 16:29:57 gammafunk: without using ?vuln? 16:30:05 no I mean with using vuln 16:30:05 elliptic: it's problem-solving. this monster has these weird properties - how do I deal with it? I think it's very cool for players to be able to use poly in this situation to sidestep the problem, as long as there's some reasonable cost involved 16:30:09 as in poly is not special in that regard 16:30:15 gammafunk: yes, agreed 16:30:17 gammafunk: ya proposed changes were about changing vuln 16:30:20 not about poly 16:30:33 hrm, I rather like vuln as-is; I'd kind of prefer just giving trj mr infinity 16:30:37 <|amethyst> If this is specific to TRJ, then making TRJ magic-immune 16:30:38 <|amethyst> yeah 16:30:52 I would really rather not 16:30:54 gammafunk: what else do you use vuln on? 16:30:59 PleasingFungus: I would really rather 16:31:12 caustic shrikes, I also really fucked up an orb ninja good 16:31:16 and vuln + feared the orb guardians 16:31:18 in the chamber 16:31:31 vuln + fear on orb guardians sounds cool 16:31:32 def. saved my life 16:31:33 well, no one responded to my long-form position statement, so I don't know what more I can do 16:31:52 PleasingFungus: sorry, what position? 16:31:53 your position is nethackish! 16:32:06 that you think bypassing trj spawns is not a problem? 16:32:15 it's problem-solving. this monster has these weird properties - how do I deal with it? I think it's very cool for players to be able to use poly in this situation to sidestep the problem, as long as there's some reasonable cost involved 16:32:28 hrm, well as to the cost, it's 10 evo basically 16:32:32 and a scroll 16:32:35 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:36 yes it's not high enough at present 16:32:51 but in a less trolling way, you don't get that discovery when you get told "oh, you should save some ?vuln and /poly for slime:6 to lose all the risk" because someone realised it was good 3 years ago 16:32:53 elliptic suggested making vuln a fixed reduction in mr, rather than a multiplier (halving) 16:33:19 I don't think modifying the scroll's properties to help this one monster is very much the answer though; it doesn't feel terribly overpowered vs other things 16:33:23 which I think would require rather more evo to make poly reasonable. depends on the exact numbers involved 16:33:25 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 65-102 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2763 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:33:25 %??orb guardian 16:33:42 &??the_royal_jelly 16:33:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: being able to paralyse Cerebov isn't a problem too? 16:33:47 if you made it, say, -50 mr, that would be almost exactly the same vs orb guadians 16:33:50 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14176 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 16:33:50 %??the_royal_jelly 16:33:59 cerebov does have ranged attacks 16:34:02 hrm 16:34:05 <|amethyst> not when he's paralysed 16:34:12 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 16:34:12 %??caustic_shrike 16:34:17 well, you have less time to paralyse him with impunity 16:34:18 ??wand power 16:34:18 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 2.5 * Evocations 16:34:21 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d17 / 8d16) [06!sil], iron shot (3d36) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:34:21 %??cerebov 16:34:22 since he doesn't run up to you like trj does 16:34:35 or, rather, he's still dangerous while he's running up to you 16:34:35 I guess you could do this, but it'd actually be stronger for some enemies 16:34:41 sure 16:35:03 PleasingFungus: why are you even trying to nerf me though 16:35:05 !lm . 16:35:06 12534. [2015-02-12 22:20:24] gammafunk the Executioner (L18 MiBe of Trog) entered a Bazaar on turn 19000. (Vaults:1) 16:35:10 I hate gammafunks 16:35:10 I'm unkillable 16:35:36 wheals: fwiw I'm not so much talking about the sense of discovery, I'm more talking about having a rich suite of tactical options, depending on your character build and situation 16:35:41 which is something that I think is good for crawl 16:36:14 PleasingFungus: I think what you propose would effecitively prevent trj poly though 16:36:23 I mean I'm not sure you could do it at all evne with 27 evo 16:36:27 yeah I haven't done the math 16:36:28 maybe you've done the math 16:36:30 hi 16:36:36 that this is a case of something that is invariant over build and situation is the exact problem IMO 16:36:37 I found that the chance is 25% or so at evo 27 16:36:37 gammafunk: nah, you can handle up to 100 + wand power MR 16:36:39 50 is a number I tossed out arbitrarily 16:36:41 with low chance 16:36:47 and vuln has high dur now I think? 16:36:52 yeah it does 16:36:54 25% is plenty high to do this 16:37:07 well yeah, 14% is plenty high even 16:37:26 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:55 I think that making ?vuln poly harder would help, but I'd still rather just give cerebov and trj magic immunity 16:37:58 wheals: no one is arguing that the current situation is ideal, but I think you can fix it so that trj-poly remains an option without being the straight-out best option 16:38:03 and without damaging the rest of the game 16:38:07 we give plenty of other late game uniques magic immunity 16:38:15 ya that's lame 16:38:16 fair 16:38:24 is cerebov the only & without MR immunity? 16:38:25 it is quite random which ones have 180 MR and which have infty MR 16:38:28 pandemonium lord (12&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 16 | HP: 122-241 | AC/EV: 15/14 | Dam: 29 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5874 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 16:38:28 %??pandemonium lord 16:38:33 Asmodeus (04&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 30/7 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.fire (3d26) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], fire summon [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 16:38:33 %??asmodeus 16:38:38 Geryon (03&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 300 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 35(reach) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4427 | Sp: sum.hell beast | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:38:38 %??geryon 16:38:42 geryon is the only other 16:38:54 geryon, cerebov, and randlords (don't count) 16:39:08 huh, didn't realize he did that much damage 16:39:25 !lg * killer=geryon recent 16:39:26 8. IbramSA the Evocator (L23 DDFi of Makhleb), mangled by Geryon in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_nicolae_six_columns) on 2015-02-02 00:08:40, with 486425 points after 44367 turns and 4:20:43. 16:39:49 <|amethyst> for "bosses" 16:39:51 <|amethyst> err 16:40:03 <|amethyst> for "bosses" perhaps, but I wouldn't want to expand magic immune too much 16:40:30 <|amethyst> one of the things that always annoyed me about the Final Fantasy games was that you had all these neat spells that only worked on the creatures you didn't need the spells for 16:40:48 same 16:41:18 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:07 how about this: in exchange for giving TRJ magic immunity, we remove it from random stuff that has it like greater nagas and greater mummies :P 16:42:32 <|amethyst> does magic immune protect against poly from chaos clouds? 16:42:35 greater royal jellies 16:42:39 I don't think so 16:42:54 <|amethyst> that's quite a bit riskier though, so probably not an issue 16:43:06 I don't know how to make chaos clouds 16:43:16 <|amethyst> lure and apocalypse crab 16:43:18 and they don't poly that often 16:43:19 <|amethyst> s/and/an/ 16:43:30 evaporate a potion of experience 16:43:40 part of my concern is a more general about the direction of crawl's design - it feels like there's a general philosophy of avoiding any kind of emergent behavior or interaction between game systems 16:43:48 more general worry* 16:44:18 naga mage (06N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 7 | HP: 30-51 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 416 | Sp: spit poison (d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.venom (3d12), mystic blast (3d13), haste, poison arrow (3d14), teleport other, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 16:44:18 %??naga_mage 16:44:20 as a semi-retired crawl dev, I am not going to block anything (as if I could!), I am just going to kvetch inecessantly 16:44:32 in the fine tradition of those who have gone before me (hangedman, etc) 16:44:32 PleasingFungus: no ur wrong! 16:44:35 rude. 16:44:51 also i'm all for giving trj/cerebov magic immunity and removing it from some greater naga etc 16:45:01 I am in favor of removing it from greater naga etc 16:45:02 some stuff like* 16:45:16 PleasingFungus: yeah I'm not sure if there are any hexes that can punch through 130 mr 16:45:26 gammafunk: anything with at least 31 power 16:45:30 really... 16:45:43 the chance is tiny there of course 16:45:44 <|amethyst> did you know that cerebov is already protected from polymorph? 16:45:46 <|amethyst> by being an & 16:45:58 so you'd not need terribly much power to get to something like 15%? 16:46:02 tbh if he wasn't I'd assume someone would have done it already 16:46:30 Cerebov the hell rat gestures. The great blast of fire engulfs you! 16:46:50 I was going to say that the -50 mr effectively removes the hex technique already but perhaps it really only does this for wands 16:47:08 gammafunk: 15% is something like 85 power I think 16:47:08 -!- jahnnny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47:14 ??wand power 16:47:15 wand power[1/1]: 15 + 2.5 * Evocations 16:47:16 for 130 MR 16:47:36 maybe we just need more gooe in slime so you have a better chance of dying after reading the scroll :P 16:47:46 huh, ?vuln was originally ?antimagic and lasted for 40 turns 16:48:00 yeah, it was ?vuln + !cancel 16:48:09 it actually originally lasted for 4 turns 16:48:12 right 16:48:12 i think it lasted more like-yeah 16:48:15 40 aut 16:48:16 oh, is the commit comment wrong 16:48:23 it lasted for 40 turns on the player i think 16:48:29 -!- spacet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:31 yeah that makes sense 16:48:35 PleasingFungus: ?vuln is really old 16:48:37 I think it was one of those bugs for monsters 16:48:40 no idea what commit you are looking at 16:48:46 %git ebc2cb26f221b 16:48:46 07haranp02 * 0.5-a0-618-gebc2cb2: After discussion with dpeg, added a Scroll of Antimagic, taking probability (equal to ?oHolyWord) from the ?oPaper. 10(6 years ago, 10 files, 146+ 96-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebc2cb26f221 16:48:48 yes, fun with DUR_ vs ENCH_ 16:48:51 where it uses aut for monsters but the programmer didn't realize 16:48:56 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:04 elliptic: http://sprunge.us/RMSI 16:49:06 I think it might have worked correctly then 16:49:10 both are listed as 40 16:49:12 and was broken soon after 16:49:16 when aut was introduced 16:49:18 heh 16:49:25 so it was 40 turns for both, then? 16:49:31 (aut durations didn't exist then) 16:50:11 great orb of eyes (09G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 53-81 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 20 | see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | XP: 1023 | Sp: paralyse [06!sil], disintegrate (d44) [06!sil], drain magic [06!sil], confuse [06!sil], teleport other [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 16:50:11 %??great orb of eyes 16:50:11 wheals: looks promising :) 16:50:16 wait 16:50:17 magic immune 16:50:19 what 16:50:20 wheals: btw that's a lot of chunks 16:50:38 i have been using receive corpses a lot 16:50:39 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:50:51 of course, as you know this is totally breaking the game for all casters!!! 16:50:58 what a sham 16:51:07 I can finally win a summoner... 16:51:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: most Gs are magic immune 16:51:56 giant eyeball (16G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-23 | AC/EV: 0/1 | lev | Res: 06magic(10), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 8 | Sp: paralysis gaze [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 16:51:56 <|amethyst> %??giant eyeball 16:52:00 giant orange brain (04G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 2/4 | 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(100), asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 708 | Sp: brain feed [06!sil], cause fear [06!sil], shadow creatures [06!sil], mass confusion [06!sil], blink [06!sil], teleport self [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:52:00 <|amethyst> %??giant orange brain 16:52:06 <|amethyst> those are the only two that are not 16:52:15 golden eye (08G) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 7-17 | AC/EV: 0/20 | lev | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 189 | Sp: confusion gaze [11!AM, 06!sil], blink [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 16:52:15 %??golden_eye 16:52:15 <|amethyst> FR: eyeball unique 16:52:26 not sinv, I learned later, and I wept... 16:52:30 mr is a spooky mystery 16:53:01 <|amethyst> Jeremy the Great Orb of Eyes 16:54:03 new unique...!? 16:54:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 16:54:35 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54:40 <|amethyst> with new spells Surveil and Punish 16:55:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:31 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 17:01:00 and eyeteeth of steel 17:04:53 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:33 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:05:57 -!- Unmovable has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:07:13 -!- Unmovable has quit [Changing host] 17:07:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:55 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3994-gbbee317 (34) 17:12:24 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:15:34 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:16:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:43 <|amethyst> re the royal jelly, I'd somewhat prefer making it explode on polymorph like merged slime creatures to making it magic-immune 17:25:12 <|amethyst> but I have no objections to making cerebov magic-immune 17:27:24 |amethyst: I'd also be happy with making it do something TRJ-ish when polymorphed, yeah 17:27:27 <|amethyst> and I definitely support removing magic-immune from greater naga, reaper, ... 17:28:56 <|amethyst> enchantress perhaps, probably thorn hunter and shambling mangrove 17:29:17 another option would be to make damaging the polymorphed TRJ also spawn jellies 17:29:41 <|amethyst> elliptic: more fun would be to spawn copies of whatever it was polymorphed into :P 17:30:01 given that it polymorphs into titan a lot, that sounds... fun :P 17:30:55 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:32:14 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14176 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 17:32:14 <|amethyst> %??the royal jelly 17:32:18 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 91-130 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 2592 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 17:32:18 <|amethyst> %??titan 17:32:35 it polyes into shrikes fairly often these days too 17:32:37 <|amethyst> I guess that's too much of an XP farm :/ 17:32:47 |amethyst: TRJ spawns don't give xp 17:32:52 <|amethyst> oh, good then 17:32:58 <|amethyst> problem solved 17:33:04 acid blob (11J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-115 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 4208(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 08blind, 12drown | XP: 2419 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:33:04 %??acid blob 17:33:12 also that's almost as much xp anyway :) 17:34:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:51 <|amethyst> So I guess it was the vuln/cancellation split that made this strategy rise in popularity? 17:34:58 <|amethyst> s/strategy/tactic/ 17:35:04 <|amethyst> vuln + polymorph trj that is 17:35:12 |amethyst, elliptic, so i'm looking into making the first butcher of a turn a delay, just like the rest 17:35:17 that combined with vuln duration increasing a lot 17:35:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3995-ge4eb6c9: Simplify with C++11. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 84+ 120-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4eb6c921ee3 17:35:29 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3996-g50e10cd: Make butchering take 1 turn, rather than 0 (elliptic). 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50e10cd02c25 17:35:41 the turncount sometimes seems to be right and sometime doesn't and i'm not sure why 17:35:52 <|amethyst> wheals: hm 17:35:56 it was pretty risky/annoying back when vuln removed haste and didn't really give time to rehaste before needing to use poly 17:36:03 one sec 17:36:09 <|amethyst> wheals: I added a you.turn_is_over, perhaps that was in the wrong place? 17:36:13 wheals * 0.16-a0-3995-ge4eb6c9: Simplify with C++11. (3 days ago, 2 files, 84 17:36:16 er 17:36:18 http://sprunge.us/ZThY 17:36:21 wheals: do you mean the playerturn count or the autcount or both? 17:36:30 i was just looking at auts 17:36:31 <|amethyst> %git 91ea21f 17:36:32 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3972-g91ea21f: Don't make butchery free when interrupted. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91ea21f7062c 17:36:34 see that patch for my code so far 17:36:40 playerturn count isn't that important given that we should remove them sometime 17:37:00 |amethyst: this was for the first corpse of a turn / only corpse on a square / confirm_butcher = never 17:37:08 <_miek> polymorph strat is currently a no brainer if you can pull it off 17:37:09 <|amethyst> ah 17:37:14 don't know why elliptic was the only person to notice it :P 17:37:23 <_miek> I do think something like exploding jellies on failed attempts could help balance that 17:37:30 <|amethyst> hm 17:37:43 <|amethyst> maybe if you had autopickup of chunks on it did take a turn 17:37:47 <_miek> but it would be cool if it was still a viable strategy 17:37:49 then it took 2 17:37:50 |amethyst: yes 17:38:10 use poisonous corpses to test, or spriggans 17:38:28 or turn off autopickup 17:38:33 or have a monster in sight 17:38:34 that works too :P 17:38:53 anyway, i have to go for a bit 17:39:00 <|amethyst> wheals: //XXX: this assumes that we're not being called from a delay ourselves. 17:39:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:17 yeah, but i don't think that's the problem here 17:39:27 <|amethyst> right, but macros 17:39:39 see the comment right under it 17:39:48 er 17:39:50 the second time 17:39:57 + // It's not a problem in the case of macros, though, because 17:39:57 // delay.cc:_push_delay should handle them OK. 17:40:02 see _is_parent_delay 17:40:05 <|amethyst> ah 17:40:45 so, basically the handle_delay should mean the only butcher delay is gone before the next turn 17:40:56 but based on _s and aut display, it's not 17:41:03 be back soon 17:41:05 win 2 17:41:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:36 <|amethyst> hm 17:41:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:20 <|amethyst> wheals: you're sure it's going through the code path that is doing handle_delay? no confirm_butcher = always ? 17:54:52 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:29 -!- feodoric has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:58:47 -!- Medar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:03:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:24 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:22 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:51 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:23:31 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28:01 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31:07 -!- mibeto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:12 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 18:38:03 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:44 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:06 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:04 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:43:07 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:39 -!- Ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:50:14 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:33 if youse devs are generally happy with the website, I'll put out a call to the tavern for screenshot submissions, which is about the final step before I'm ready to call it "done" 18:52:43 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:20 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:57:30 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 18:58:15 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:46 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:01:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:48 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:22 |amethyst: what's the default value? i didn't change my rcfile (besides the channel.diagnostic mute) 19:11:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:12:02 UI occassionally responds as if "Shift" key held down 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9485 by Jarlyk 19:12:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:12:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12:44 <|amethyst> wheals: "auto" I think, which should be fine 19:13:18 maybe i should have unmuted, the diag spam might actually be useful here 19:13:35 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:14:41 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:16:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:44 -!- link_1081 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:17 oh 19:18:20 i'm just an idiot 19:18:28 it's working just fine, of course butchering should take a turn 19:18:34 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:46 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:04 i'm not really sure why i thought the behaviour was incorrect 19:20:24 yeah all the timing looks good 19:20:33 !crash 19:20:33 10544. Orcmeat, XL23 SpEn, T:80603 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Orcmeat/crash-Orcmeat-20150211-191835.txt 19:20:40 now it's time to activate qw-testing 19:21:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:21 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 19:22:12 !lm orcmeat x=god 19:22:12 93. [2015-02-13 00:30:39] [god=Ashenzari] Orcmeat the Imperceptible (L23 SpEn of Ashenzari) killed Jory on turn 81700. (Depths:3) 19:22:37 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:49 !crash agengt 19:22:50 No milestones for agengt (crash). 19:22:54 !crash agentgt 19:22:55 1. agentgt, XL15 DjHu, T:42813 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/agentgt/crash-agentgt-20131002-223754.txt 19:22:58 huh 19:23:06 was just watching him and he had a crash 19:23:15 ok, qw is failing to pick up chunks 19:23:36 but that might be due to autopick_funcs 19:24:01 elliptic: heh, your autopickup func change broke the rep qw 19:24:13 <|amethyst> easy fix 19:24:20 agentgt's game crashed. 19:24:20 which_species of 100 out of range 0 (0) .. NUM_SPECIES (38) 19:24:32 &version 19:24:34 <|amethyst> hm 19:24:34 er 19:24:37 ^version 19:24:37 trunk: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 19:24:40 *: 0.16-a0-3994-gbbee317 19:24:41 <|amethyst> !crashlog 19:24:42 10544. Orcmeat, XL23 SpEn, T:80603 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Orcmeat/crash-Orcmeat-20150211-191835.txt 19:24:54 !lm agentgt x=vlong 19:24:55 12639. [2015-02-13 01:23:35] [vlong=0.16-a0-3963-gf3423b3] agentgt the Spry (L25 KoCK of The Shining One) mollified Trog on turn 47317. (Dis:7) 19:25:08 agentgt: enjoying your immortality? :P 19:25:30 <|amethyst> FR: remote wizmode toggle button 19:25:35 -!- inspector071 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:25:41 yeah, was wondering about that 19:25:58 he was running around meleeing things at 10 HP 19:26:05 <|amethyst> %git 3e548368e9c5a 19:26:05 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3977-g3e54836: Don't crash when parsing scorefile entries with missing species. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e548368e9c5 19:26:17 hah 19:26:29 so it's been fixed but not pushed? 19:26:33 someone on cpo found an ambrosia bug where the status never went away 19:26:37 fixed but he doesn't want to upgrade 19:26:37 <|amethyst> &versions 19:26:41 ah 19:26:48 lol 19:26:51 trunk: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 19:26:55 CAO: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12, CBRO: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12, CDO: 0.16-a0-3977-g3e54836, CKR: 0.16-a0-3723-g1e20147, CLAN: 0.16-a0-3994-gbbee317, CPO: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12, CSZO: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12, CXC: 0.16-a0-3992-g631dd12, LLD: 0.16-a0-3842-geca72fe 19:26:57 <|amethyst> I rebuilt cbro right after I pushed that 19:27:35 it's funny, the code that is crashing is only actually necessary for the offline hiscore viewer 19:27:52 <|amethyst> well 19:27:56 well there's an online score viewer in webtiles-changes! 19:28:01 whoa :o 19:28:07 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:07 <|amethyst> and it shows the highscore list when you die 19:28:16 yes, but that doesn't show the species name! 19:28:21 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:28:24 rip 19:28:24 i was wondering why it even calculated the species name 19:28:38 i'd been a dev for almost a year without knowing about the offline hiscore viewer :P 19:28:57 <|amethyst> doesn't it show FoBa 19:28:58 <|amethyst> ? 19:29:17 yes, but that doesn't need to be calculated 19:29:22 it's in the hiscore format 19:29:32 <|amethyst> not on that line 19:29:37 <|amethyst> so it tries to calculate it 19:29:42 <|amethyst> and the species is missing too 19:29:49 right 19:30:02 i hadn't tested out with malformed entries 19:31:31 well the good news is this: I'm working on the moon troll wizlab again, after a long haitus 19:31:38 so 0.16 can be a passable release 19:31:44 we're over the moon at that news. 19:32:00 Grunt: I almost got greaterplayer, but.. 19:32:02 !lg . 19:32:03 2614. gammafunk the Executioner (L22 MiBe of Makhleb), blasted by a blizzard demon (bolt of lightning) in Pandemonium on 2015-02-13 00:17:48, with 470834 points after 25852 turns and 4:44:24. 19:32:04 the moon troll landing was faked, anyway 19:32:12 lol gammafunk can't even win a mibe 19:32:16 what a noob 19:32:28 that death was funny because it basically happened because I burned some books I shouldn't have and bought too many potions 19:32:31 more or less 19:32:36 in short I'm bad at shopping 19:32:53 should have played version 0.16-a0-3963-gf3423b3 19:32:59 heh 19:33:10 !lm . rune=slimy min=turns 19:33:11 39. [2015-02-12 19:58:58] gammafunk the Executioner (L18 MiBe of Trog) found a slimy rune of Zot on turn 17300. (Slime:6) 19:33:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:33:21 new p.b. I guess 19:33:46 Kramin: that bug only happened on coolservers!! 19:33:48 did snake without rpois, slime without rcorr, had great items, but relec was tricky 19:33:58 wait, where did it happen 19:34:09 because cszo is the only coolserver atm 19:34:14 ??coolserver 19:34:15 coolserver[1/1]: A server that is either cbro or in the U.S. running webtiles-changes with games tracked by sequell 19:34:22 doesn't look like it is one...... 19:34:29 oh that is bs 19:34:37 <|amethyst> cszo doesn't run webtiles-changes, no 19:34:39 !learn edit coolserver s/cbro/cszo/ 19:34:40 coolserver[1/1]: A server that is either cszo or in the U.S. running webtiles-changes with games tracked by sequell 19:35:00 wheals: be very careful because I'm a tavern moderator 19:35:37 more tavern oppression by the devs 19:35:46 is CPO a coolserver? 19:36:11 first they came for mermaids, then they came for pizza tornado, who knows what they'll do now??? 19:36:29 Kramin: no 19:36:34 cpo is not a coolserver 19:36:42 australian packets are too slow 19:36:52 not for me 19:37:06 <|amethyst> !learn del coolserver 19:37:06 Deleted coolserver[1/1]: A server that is either cszo or in the U.S. running webtiles-changes with games tracked by sequell 19:37:20 <_miek> australia is too hot 19:37:26 <_miek> CPO can be a hotserver 19:37:30 |amethyst: you can't !learn del the definition in my mind, |amethyst 19:37:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:37:48 1learn del gammafunk 19:37:48 neil sandwich 19:37:50 <_miek> http://explosm.net/comics/3830/ 19:37:50 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:58 <|amethyst> !send gammafunk a head cannon 19:37:58 Sending a head cannon to gammafunk. 19:37:59 oh yeah oops 19:38:42 why were those servers "cool" in the first place btw? 19:39:01 lingering anti-antipodean sentiment??!?!?!?!? 19:39:29 -!- orneryostrich has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:40:11 look only some servers can be cool, otherwise it defeats the purpose 19:40:48 what is the purpose? 19:40:54 <|amethyst> !learn add coolserver A server with games tracked by Sequell. 19:40:55 coolserver[1/1]: A server with games tracked by Sequell. 19:41:23 <_miek> That's a good definition 19:41:37 <_miek> since it excludes the server I ran on my PC to see if I could 19:42:07 <|amethyst> If you wanted to make it "a server running webtiles-changes" I'd be fine with that :) 19:42:08 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:15 |amethyst: wow you are just... 19:43:19 I do kind of miss the week when MPA and others were mercilessly purging the learndb though 19:43:23 the outcry was wonderful 19:43:41 mumble mumble Linley mumble australia mumble any server not in australia can't be cool mumble cultural appropriation 19:44:50 <|amethyst> down with the boreal hegemony! 19:45:12 -!- cykeltillsalu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:29 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:55 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Client Quit] 19:48:29 yo I can purge the learndb again if you want 19:48:40 yoyoyo that would be sweet 19:49:10 but I can grant no immunity from the rage of the community! (tm) 19:49:46 have you seen my tavern posts 19:49:49 i *feed* on that stuff 19:49:51 <_miek> 1learn del * 19:49:56 v. true 19:51:28 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:31 -!- link_1081 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:01:33 heh, i forgot that the rmut amulet bug meant that xuaxua pulled a ??goodforum[2 20:02:56 wheals: I need to update the rep qw sometime, it is missing lots of fixes 20:03:07 poor guy 20:04:31 elliptic: just do it next time you get snowed in ;) 20:06:11 really the reason why I haven't updated qw is that doy made a few technical changes to the rep qw to make it play nicer with testing, and I need to figure out what those were before replacing it all with my current offline qw 20:06:44 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:06:48 and it is more fun just to fiddle with qw 20:07:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:10:11 !seen doy 20:10:11 I last saw doy at Wed Feb 11 06:11:25 2015 UTC (1d 19h 58m 46s ago) saying '(:' on ##crawl-dev. 20:10:19 of course hw ould be 20:10:26 s/hw /he w/ 20:11:25 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:14 I mean I saved the copy of qw that he used to add to the repo (I think), so it is just a matter of reading a diff 20:13:32 !lm qw br.enter=pan 20:13:34 1. [2014-04-19 07:40:25] qw the Executioner (L21 GrBe of Trog) entered Pandemonium on turn 45516. (Depths:3) 20:13:39 mm tourney points 20:13:46 and a banner 20:13:55 actually I forget whether entering pan is points 20:14:12 was going to say need to have qw teach me how to not let my Be die to a silly pair of 1 + 2 when coming through a pan portal 20:14:21 but then I remembered that qw doesn't bother with extended 20:14:40 at some point I will try to make it do extended, but it will be sort of hard I think 20:14:45 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:53 torment strategy? hellfire too I guess 20:15:21 and I guess if you actually had it abandon trog there would be that as well 20:15:32 probably the plan would be GrBe and convert to TSO after clearing zot, yes 20:16:08 well maybe slime first too, but you get the idea 20:17:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:18:16 was the final decision re: TRJ's MR made? 20:20:12 personally I would go for either giving TRJ magic immune or making polymorphed TRJ continue to spawn jellies (or titans) when injured (or just do this when TRJ is polymorphed) 20:21:30 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:21:58 I guess the other options that were discussed were changing how ?vuln works or removing ?vuln 20:22:20 <_miek> is there anywhere else where people really even use ?vuln ? 20:22:34 well, gammafunk described a couple situations earlier 20:22:47 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:32 yeah I think people def. do use it. I've also used it on asterion, vashnia 20:23:41 I've also used it once or twice on midgame uniques like that, yeah 20:24:37 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:54 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:25:03 I don't think it is a great item but I'm fine with leaving it in as long as it isn't too silly against TRJ or cerebov (and I think we agreed to give cerebov mag. immune) 20:25:12 i imagine it could be very useful vs hydras or the like, but it is quite rare to find by lair 20:25:27 yeah hydras would be a decent target 20:25:51 could let it spawn on D:1-3 20:26:02 currently it is on the list of scrolls that don't spawn there 20:26:07 hahaha 20:26:13 minmay has argued for removing those depth-specific rules for ages 20:26:28 almost as strong as restore abilities...! 20:26:32 yeah I think they are pretty pointless (and we don't depth-gate potions) 20:26:40 wheals: how on *earth* do you cast xxx without it 20:27:05 actually i was going to ask you about your thoughts on chriso's !RA patch 20:27:07 depth-gating immolation made sense when it could instakill D:1 chars 20:27:16 what was the patch? 20:27:27 since you're our resident horrible caster 20:27:42 remove it, make the respective stat potion restore that stat 20:27:55 stat potion? 20:28:04 oh I see 20:28:04 wheals: I think that doesn't sound great if resting off stat drain is still a thing 20:28:06 brill/agi/might 20:28:14 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 20:28:18 but I like it assuming we remove resting off stat drain 20:28:25 oh yeah 20:28:26 what I liked better overall: stat drain is more drastic but temporary 20:28:34 like corrossion 20:28:50 just removing stat drain at all is an option, yeah, but that also involves removing other things, probably monsters 20:28:52 (it's bad if resting off stat drain is a thing because you don't really want to waste a useful potion if you could just rest 2k turns in temple) 20:29:13 elliptic: well what if stat drain were like corrossion is currently? 20:29:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:14 give temple random stat drain every 100 turns!! 20:29:16 (removing resting off stat drain is good regardless) 20:29:26 *corrosion 20:29:44 wh1te: haha 20:29:46 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:46 oops 20:29:49 wheals: ^ 20:29:57 we made it short-duration, large effect, we could remove !restorab but keep =sustain 20:29:58 :) 20:30:13 and then who knows, maybe brain worms could do something 20:30:18 after all, demigods have sustab these days 20:30:29 so clearly gods make you more susceptible to stat drain 20:30:40 give a lazy status if you rest too long, which slows you donw until you gain significant XP 20:31:00 chei gives huge piety for laziness 20:31:37 gammafunk: it could work, I think we'd also want to make the penalties for statzero much weaker though 20:31:39 <_miek> by that logic gods cause lower stats too 20:31:44 elliptic: right 20:31:50 so that 7 int berserkers don't have to worry so much 20:31:56 that's somethign for me to do for 0.17 20:32:03 since apparently elliptic will be working on squarelos!!! 20:32:12 and will be too busy 20:32:18 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:21 thanks for the excuse 20:32:27 not to do things 20:32:35 remember to vote squarelos for president in the 2015 elections 20:32:45 <_miek> !nick elliptic 20:32:45 Mapping elliptic => elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic circular 20:33:01 <_miek> need a square-based one 20:33:10 squarelos for president 20:33:19 DCSS will be released at 1.0 when squarelos *and* food reform are in 20:33:24 squares aren't conics, sorry 20:33:47 <_miek> a zoomed in portion of a square is a conic to within a margin of error 20:33:56 <|amethyst> !lg PyramidicSection 20:33:57 No games for PyramidicSection. 20:34:00 I guess squares do give degenerate conics 20:34:02 hyperboliclos 20:34:09 aren't circles conics? 20:34:11 !send HyperRogue Grunt 20:34:11 Sending Grunt to HyperRogue. 20:34:15 hyperqubic 20:34:20 HyperRogue <3 20:34:25 ??squarelos[7 20:34:26 squarelos[7/7]: <+elliptic> gammafunk: boxes are circles though 20:34:27 hyperlos for chief of staff 20:34:33 and if that entry is to be believed... 20:34:41 it's true! 20:34:46 in Crawl geometry, boxes are circles. 20:34:56 circular crates?? 20:35:05 <_miek> therefore his names are already about squares 20:37:53 -!- Guest5461 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:38:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:39 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:48 -!- Fusha has quit [] 20:55:47 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 20:57:47 -!- Big-guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:03:34 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:35 -!- ldierk has quit [Changing host] 21:03:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:41 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:58 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:13 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:12:16 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:20 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:47 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:37 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:24:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:17 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:15 you should totally just bump dcss to 1.0 21:30:31 the pre-0 version numbers are such a pain to read and stuff 21:30:52 anyway, semantic versioning is totally a community standard by now, and each dcss release is a major feature thing 21:31:51 semantic? 21:32:48 http://semver.org/ 21:32:56 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:30 -!- ClawlessVictory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:37 -!- Big-guy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:10 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:17 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:02 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:08 <|amethyst> if you take save files to be the API, we're at version 34.133.164 21:41:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:48 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 21:42:04 -!- Big_guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:24 I don't think you need to match internal save version to release version 21:42:44 and I think most of the semver arguments are irrelevant for a standalone videogame which doesn't really care about dependencies 21:42:58 <|amethyst> ... 21:43:07 <|amethyst> I wasn't the one who brought up semantic versioning 21:43:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:52 i know! but the reasons I propose semver for dcss are less about complying with the semver rationale and more about aesthetics 21:43:59 <|amethyst> We could bump the version to 16.0, sure, but I don't know that's any better 21:44:39 imo, 16.0 is easier to read than 0.16 21:45:07 -!- hong has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:08 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:50:24 !tell amalist hello 21:50:24 Sorry hong, I don't know who amalist is. 21:50:51 !tell amethyst hello 21:50:52 Sorry hong, I don't know who amethyst is. 21:50:57 <|amethyst> heelo 21:50:58 !tell |amethyst hello 21:50:58 hong: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 21:50:59 <|amethyst> hello 21:50:59 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:51:08 <|amethyst> I can't stay for much longer, what's up? 21:51:33 i wanna my webserver 21:51:43 to be public 21:51:48 korean server 21:52:01 how do i did it 21:52:02 ? 21:52:20 <|amethyst> are you generating milestone and log files 21:52:20 <|amethyst> ? 21:52:27 yes 21:52:50 http://webzook.net:82/trunk/ 21:53:07 or 0.13, 0.14, 0.15 21:53:10 <|amethyst> I already added that to scoring today 21:53:35 <|amethyst> and sent a message to greensnark about sequell 21:53:39 and morgue url is http://webzook.net:82/morgue/ 21:53:50 <|amethyst> you didn't inherit the user database from sd1989's server? 21:54:19 <|amethyst> he already had me point kr.dobrazupa.org to your server 21:54:37 who is sd1989? 21:54:38 i inherit http://kr.dobrazupa.org/ 21:54:52 and this log files 21:54:56 sd1989 was the old admin of server at kr.dobrazupa.org 21:55:05 oh 21:55:06 yes 21:55:14 im inherit 21:55:16 ted 21:55:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:55:28 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 21:55:31 <|amethyst> I noticed earlier I couldn't log in with my old username/password 21:55:50 -!- Big-guy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:07 hong: |amethyst is saying that we've started to set up scores for webzook.net:82, but it will take a bit 21:56:12 <|amethyst> we are probably going to switch this year to a different login system with cerntral accounts 21:56:18 <|amethyst> central 21:56:48 <|amethyst> when that happens, all the server admins will need to provide their password files so we can merge accounts into one database 21:57:11 <|amethyst> but that's still in the planning stages 21:57:20 hong: do you have a way we can reach you if there's a problem? like if we need you to recompile crawl or anything else? 21:57:39 <|amethyst> Also, someone should make an announcement in various places 21:57:41 email or twitter or some means of communication 21:57:49 <|amethyst> so people know there's one more place they need to register their accounts 21:58:25 |amethyst: hrm, I'm not sure we should really announce the problem with our login system essentially? or do you mean something else 21:58:25 !tell gammafunk sesangsokuro@gmail.com 21:58:26 hong: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 21:58:33 hong: thanks :) 21:58:34 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:58:42 ??ckr 21:58:43 ckr[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by sd1989 on irc. http://kr.dobrazupa.org:8080/ 21:58:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: people already know 21:59:13 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I don't want to see a bunch of tournament spoilers 21:59:17 |amethyst: yes, but I'm not sure what the announcement would achieve, I guess, since we'll have to ...hrm 21:59:31 I guess the tournament is a valid point 21:59:45 <|amethyst> could be part of the tournament announcement 21:59:55 !learn edit ckr s/sd1989/hong/ 21:59:56 ckr[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://kr.dobrazupa.org:8080/ 22:00:09 it's probably bad to put email addresses in learndb anyhow 22:00:14 <|amethyst> "make sure your account is registered on all these servers, and if one is already taken let us know" 22:00:36 yeah that's fair 22:00:42 i understood login system will change. but not yet. is it ok? 22:00:46 <|amethyst> yeah 22:00:58 <|amethyst> anyway, there should at least be an announcment about the new Korean server 22:01:04 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:05 hong: yes, it's fine for now, we'll tell you and other server admins about changes 22:01:10 i have short english skill 22:01:13 yeah I guess there should be an announcement 22:01:24 <|amethyst> hong: what name do you prefer in CREDITS.txt ? 22:01:26 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:28 hong: it's ok, we'll try our best to communicate :) 22:02:25 if login system is changed. just mail me. then i do what i have to do 22:03:27 what is CREDITS.txt? 22:03:53 <|amethyst> hong: a file in the crawl documentation that lists all the developers, server admins, and other contributors 22:04:06 <|amethyst> hong: most people use real name, but some use their IRC nick 22:04:08 hong: see http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/CREDITS.txt;hb=HEAD 22:04:09 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:18 we give people credit for making code, running servers, and list their names 22:04:26 or their nickname, like gammafunk , |amethyst 22:04:38 can be your name or your nickname, whatever you prefer 22:04:58 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:21 my name is Wongi Hong 22:05:44 <|amethyst> OK, I'll list Wongi Hong (webzook.net) 22:05:48 -!- Big_guy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:58 <|amethyst> hm 22:05:59 thanks 22:06:09 <|amethyst> maybe Wongi Hong (webzook.net / kr.dobrazupa.org) 22:06:21 <|amethyst> since people know the server by both names 22:06:35 yes i want that 22:07:03 hmm, just i have one more question 22:07:17 <|amethyst> yes? 22:07:26 i inherited ttyrecs.tar 22:07:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3997-g61da7c2: Update server admin list. 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61da7c2dabc7 22:07:38 it was 40Gb 22:08:07 but my hosting server disk storage is 20gb 22:08:14 <|amethyst> hong: get in contact with greensnark... he can give you a place to rsync them to 22:08:41 then i didn't upload this files tar ball 22:08:50 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark hong, the admin of the new kr.dobrazupa.org, has a ttyrecs.tar he needs to get to you because he has no space for 22:08:51 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 22:09:17 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark email sesangsokuro@gmail.com 22:09:18 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 22:09:26 thanks a lot 22:09:45 <|amethyst> thank you! 22:10:08 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 22:10:10 and i don't know what is ttyrec, and how to use this file for webserver users 22:10:23 <|amethyst> hong: they are recordings of the game 22:10:33 <|amethyst> ??footv 22:10:34 FooTV[1/5]: telnet termcast.develz.org (and then select the letter for FooTV), or http://termcast.develz.org. Do not use SSH. Shows games requested using !tv. Request games by adding -tv to !lg or !lm. Cancel games by adding -tv:cancel to the same command-line, clear playlist with !lg * -tv:nuke 22:10:43 <|amethyst> it lets people watch old games there 22:11:02 <|amethyst> console-only, but webtiles secretly does both console and tiles at the same time :) 22:12:00 <|amethyst> (btw, recording and playback of the webtiles server->client stream would be neat!) 22:12:19 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 22:13:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:43 ok, thanks. i know that using ttyrecs is posssible by termcast 22:16:15 <|amethyst> BTW, does anyone know if gitorious supports something like webhooks now? 22:16:21 next day i asked how to use this detail 22:16:51 <|amethyst> last time someone looked at it, kilobyte had to do email + procmail on his server 22:17:27 <|amethyst> !learn add cheipoke[1] probably unnecessary now: the github repo clone does this automatically 22:17:28 cheipoke[1/2]: probably unnecessary now: the github repo clone does this automatically 22:18:08 <|amethyst> (I'd rather do it from the main repo if possible because there's still some unnecessary delay) 22:19:23 what is webhook. is this like mail push? is useful? 22:19:50 <|amethyst> hong: on github you can have it send a POST to a URL you specify whenever someone pushes a commit 22:20:13 <|amethyst> hong: I'm using it to notify the Cheibriados bot 22:20:24 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:25 gitorious have it? 22:21:29 <|amethyst> I don't know 22:22:37 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:22:39 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:15 thanks for this chat every one. my lunch time is going to end 22:24:21 see you later 22:26:29 <|amethyst> you too, see you 22:33:44 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:37:22 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:51:34 hong: so webzook replaces ckr? 22:52:40 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:57 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:29 -!- Ly^ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:55:34 what server initials? CWZ? I guess CKR would still work 22:57:20 what is ckr? 22:57:43 <|amethyst> that's the abbreviation we used for kr.dobrazupa.org 22:57:50 <|amethyst> crawl.korea I guess :) 22:58:44 hong: every server has short name, like crawl.project357.org -> CPO, crawl.berotato.org -> CBRO. What would you like webzook.net -> ? 22:59:35 CWZ 23:00:44 !learn add cwz Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net/ 23:00:44 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net/ 23:00:47 ??cwz 23:00:48 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net/ 23:00:49 :) 23:01:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:01:03 !learn set ckr -> {cwz} 23:01:03 ckr[1/1]: -> {cwz} 23:01:06 ??ckr 23:01:06 ckr[1/1]: -> {cwz} 23:01:17 oops, someone who knows Sequell better help 23:01:46 see {foo} 23:02:32 if server short name to be CWZ, what is defferent? 23:03:11 how works this short name? 23:06:33 hong: I think it's mostly for things done in irc, but also on the web page: crawl.develz.org 23:06:44 it's mostly just a convenient abbreviation 23:08:45 er 23:08:46 !learn set ckr see {cwz} 23:08:46 ckr[1/1]: see {cwz} 23:08:47 ??cwz 23:08:47 cwz[1/1]: Crawl server (webtiles-only) located in Korea; the server admin goes by hong on irc. http://webzook.net/ 23:08:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:00 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:35 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:55 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:11 -!- speranza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:17 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:18 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3997-g61da7c2 (34) 23:28:05 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:30:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:30:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:33 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:18 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 23:34:18 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:34:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 23:34:59 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:36:18 -!- Manslay| has quit [Quit: 88] 23:37:00 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Client Quit] 23:41:23 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3998-g78f890e: Make TRJ spawn jellies on a failed poly (|amethyst) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78f890e35ba1 23:41:51 that is a very weird solution imo 23:41:57 hey, not my idea 23:42:10 <|amethyst> I was thinking on a successful poly 23:42:12 o 23:42:25 maybe I was conflating your idea with someone else's 23:42:27 it's just a pretty weird special case for that affect 23:42:43 idk 23:42:59 I mean I rather liked the spawn either jellies or same-genus monsters after poly 23:43:14 since it puts trj hexing on parity so that poly isn't this one-shot thing 23:43:22 e.g. I last killed trj with /para and stab 23:43:27 but still got the sweeeeeet J 23:43:40 they were very angry with me 23:43:41 * PleasingFungus shrugs 23:43:44 I'd be fine with that 23:43:57 was just trying to implement something before anyone did anything drastic (e.g. magic immunity) 23:44:04 well one of us is a productive programmer, and one of us is a lazy good for nothing 23:44:09 is gozag in 16? 23:44:10 whichever is the productive one wins! 23:44:19 UbAh: 0.16 isn't out (but yes, that's the plan) 23:44:24 thx 23:44:29 someone should probably fix gozag's wrath at some point 23:44:33 oh yeah 23:44:34 hurry up already geez 23:44:35 huh, really? gozag going in stable now? 23:44:39 what am I paying you for 23:44:42 simmarine: yes...? 23:44:49 idk why this is surprising 23:44:50 dpeg said he had plans for that? 23:44:51 tbh 23:45:00 I think those plans are for 0.17 23:45:01 tbh 23:45:03 It'd be nice if I did...oh 23:45:06 Has gozag changed significantly since rejection from 0.15 release? 23:45:13 yes 23:45:14 yeah he has 23:45:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:45:28 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 23:45:45 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:53 gammafunk: I mean if you want to implement dpeg's thing that's probably fine. it just seemed considerably more ambitious than what we have time for 23:46:21 in contrast with marvinpa's plan (cut two parts of the wrath, buff another, done) 23:46:45 ok, if marvinpa has something 23:46:55 I'll check with him soon 23:46:58 I should do *something* for this this release 23:47:02 other than fetch people coffee 23:47:02 pfft 23:47:15 do you need coffee? I can fetch you some 23:47:23 nah I don't contaminate my body 23:47:23 i didn't even fetch coffee 23:47:27 ...wow 23:47:34 ontoclasm: we are not very good interns, are we? 23:48:01 the plan was: (1) remove gold to stone (2) remove goldification on pickup (3) replace blurry mouth with curse of midas when drinking potions (failure + gold) (4) let him send monsters at you in non-bribeable branches (he can't now?) 23:48:05 3 is decorative 23:48:09 gammafunk: we're here for moral support 23:48:24 anyway all of that seems simple, it just came around the time when I completely lost energy/enthusiasm for dev 23:48:25 gozag was fun in trunk, but I never used any power besides fund shops 23:48:35 his duplicate seamed meh 23:48:39 * ontoclasm waves a DCSS flag indifferently 23:48:40 it got buffed 23:48:44 it's still weird tho 23:48:45 go team. 23:48:58 should probably be changed but it's survivable for 0.16 23:49:13 ok I gotta go 23:49:15 later 23:49:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 23:50:03 anyway I like him for being worse at things like getting books and scrolls of amnesia than sif, or acquirments from oka or other fun but he covers those bases after a fashion 23:50:26 and its nice that gold is useful 23:50:48 -!- therealfakemoot has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:51:21 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:54:27 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:56:31 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:58:00 I was thinking TRJ would spawn jellies on successful poly too, not failed ones, fwiw