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I was hoping for some original piety gaining ideas but oh well 07:55:57 non-terrible piety gain ideas are remarkably hard 07:56:10 yes I figure 07:57:04 I mean you could do some beogh like corpse bullshit with ely ie proper burial but it would be dumb and not really make since thematically 07:57:40 does beogh still do "p" on orc corpses.. maybe thats gone also 07:58:13 pretty soon the "p" is going to be only for one god 07:58:37 which is good because I need more keys for macros 07:58:49 <|amethyst> "proper burial" isn't new and original at all, though: it's just corpse sac 07:58:49 |amethyst: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:59:02 <|amethyst> p is used for Trog, Lugonus, and Fedhas 07:59:05 <|amethyst> s/nus/nu/ 07:59:07 oh I didn't say it was original nor do I think its a good idea 07:59:12 <|amethyst> probably Lugonu will lose it 07:59:23 just different than say explore or kill 08:00:06 well trog and lugonu could both easily loose it.. hence their is only one god that needs it 08:00:23 and you could just make that an "ability" 08:00:40 I mean book burning is an ability 08:01:09 fedhas corpse thingy could easily be an ability 08:01:35 that you just happen to gain piety from.. it has been done before aka ely :) 08:03:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03:22 give ely flavored corpsesac, everybody stops complaining 08:03:26 brilliant.jpg 08:03:40 <|amethyst> could give ely TSO-style 'seen monster' piety 08:03:59 <|amethyst> not sure if that is any different from exploration in practice, though 08:04:55 chriso suggested that to me when i was working on newely, i guess maybe it's better flavour? not sure, and it was harder to figure out the numbers for so i just stuck with exploration 08:05:33 <|amethyst> Practically there aren't a lot of options for piety, since we want it to generally be something the player was going to do anyway 08:05:56 <|amethyst> (corpse sac = "you were going to eat it or let it rot anyway") 08:06:47 right, unless it's something very different like ru 08:07:48 otherwise it's all just variations on "piety over time except not actually over time exactly because that doesn't work!" :P 08:08:16 <|amethyst> lots of piety for seeing monsters, lose half of that for killing them 08:08:19 I wonder if invocation skill is going to take a nose dive now. That is people training invo really high. Now its pretty much zin and maybe tso as only real reason to train invo in the 20s or does healing keep scaling with skill? 08:08:32 qaz 08:08:53 high invo still improves healing a bunch yeah 08:09:21 well last time I did qaz I think he's powers started to diminish rapidly after 18 or so and I thought there was a cutoff with qaz 08:09:36 i'm pretty sure there is not 08:09:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:10:03 also you can't constantly invo with qaz like you can with the good gods but maybe qaz piety costs have been reduced 08:10:16 yes, that is the true limiting factor 08:10:27 but high invo with qaz still kills dudes 08:12:00 zin is the most ridiculous one because his abilities seem to scale linearly and for sure stepwise. For most invo their is diminishing returns but not for zin it seems 08:12:01 apart from makh other gods offer little to no incentive for going past ~10 invo 08:12:04 and even for makh that is plenty 08:12:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:12:31 but its good zin is like that 08:12:47 i'm not sure if that's a bad thing really though 08:13:53 much like how i usually grab 10 evoc or so but rarely more than that 08:14:50 well I sort of like the idea of some god with invocation potentially competing with level 9 spells at 27 using say 18mp and/or massive hunger instead of shit loads of piety. Qaz is almost like that but you can't bomb away like you can with nado. 08:15:20 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:21 well that'd require not using piety 08:15:28 which would be kind of weird 08:15:32 well yeah make it cost magic 08:15:39 not to mention invo carries none of the penalties magic skills do 08:15:51 you can spamupheaval in plate just as well as in robes 08:16:03 smu/m u/ 08:16:12 sigh 08:16:36 spamupheaval sounds like a delicious spell 08:17:27 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:43 idk, all the variants of spam i've tried were somewhere between unedible and disgusting 08:17:50 you could also do breath 08:17:54 also how did that i turn into u, twice 08:21:19 agentgt: Qaz's powers just keep getting better w/ invo. I'd argue Qaz is the -most- Invo-hungry god 08:21:46 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:45 I'd hope so and maybe it is now but I would still argue that zin and old ely are more invo hungry especially since ely requires it for piety 08:22:56 or old ely that is 08:23:02 agentgt: breath timers on an otherwise effectively free and effective power just means you spam it as often as possible -- at least once per fight 08:23:35 Zin is not as invo-hungry unless you really love Recite 08:23:41 old Ely was, yes 08:23:55 know but I do love running around +8 apts 08:23:59 /know/no 08:24:39 going from 21 Invo to 24 for +1 to all stats is a pretty bad bargain 08:24:59 well yeah that is probably a bad example.. +8 but for +5 or +6 its sort of worth it 08:25:28 especially if you are going for extended and recite does trash shit actually pretty well like drac packs 08:25:37 Sure, and up to +5 you're helping Sanctuary, which is absolutely worth it 08:26:37 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:48 the thing is qaz gives you shit with out even using piety.. in fact my first qaz win I didn't even use his abilities that much 08:26:57 shit being good shit :) 08:27:32 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:38 but that was back when he gave some +rX .. I guess that was removed now 08:30:43 I really need to give qaz another try... the god seems to work really well for AE since your making noise anyways 08:31:18 If you don't use Qaz's invo, you're doing it wrong. Being able to drop up to 150 damage over a huge radius anywhere in LOS is, obviously, pretty good 08:31:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:39 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:39:08 Qaz still gives situational +rX 08:39:22 unless that was removed overnight; I haven't scanned commits yet 08:39:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:39:59 qaz still gives lots of stuff without training inv, yes 08:40:19 i'd argue he takes more than he gives 08:40:36 Qaz's passives are quite good, but the amount of trouble Qaz gives isn't worth the passives unless you add in the exceptionally powerful invocations 08:40:46 (without the invocations, that is) 08:40:58 The invocations do a great job of solving the problems Qaz gets you into 08:41:01 the noise is certainly a drawback, but I've been happy enough with qaz without bothering to train inv super-high also 08:41:28 hmm 08:41:44 and on chars with strong damaging spells of their own there is less reason to train inv high (though it is still good of course) 08:42:12 !lg goodplayers won qaz skill=invo 08:42:17 80. Sphara the Orcish Cataclysm (L27 HOHu of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-02-10 13:45:33, with 12750953 points after 126863 turns and 19:40:27. 08:42:17 -!- pipel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:22 !lg goodplayers won qaz / skill=invo 08:42:26 80/210 games for goodplayers (won qaz): N=80/210 (38.10%) 08:42:46 !lg goodplayers won qaz / fifteenskills=invo 08:42:49 0/210 games for goodplayers (won qaz): N=0/210 (0.00%) 08:42:53 !lg goodplayers won qaz / fifteenskills=invocations 08:42:57 153/210 games for goodplayers (won qaz): N=153/210 (72.86%) 08:43:03 that looks more like it 08:43:17 !lg . qaz 08:43:18 15. perunasaurus the End of an Era (L22 DsEE of Qazlal), blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence) in Pandemonium on 2014-09-11 15:23:41, with 417813 points after 52170 turns and 2:37:15. 08:43:24 what 08:43:26 !lg . qaz won 08:43:27 1. perunasaurus the End of an Era (L27 FoAs of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-07-14 17:22:37, with 1765044 points after 61526 turns and 3:22:26. 08:43:28 getting Invo to around 20 gives you the best level of AOE on Upheaval 08:43:32 yeah, most games you'll want that much invo, but I don't think the god is awful without it either 08:43:33 i got invo mostly for the title 08:43:48 !lg . won qaz / fifteenskills=invocations 08:43:48 1/4 games for elliptic (won qaz): N=1/4 (25.00%) 08:44:06 that dsee had to be a tourney char 08:44:18 !lg . won qaz s=char / fifteenskills=invocations 08:44:19 1/4 games for elliptic (won qaz): 1/1x HaSk [100.00%], 0/1x HaNe [0.00%], 0/1x GrWn [0.00%], 0/1x HEWn [0.00%] 08:44:48 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:10 I guess those chars probably didn't have that much in the way of offensive spells 08:45:25 !lg lasty won qaz 08:45:26 2. Lasty the End of an Era (L27 OpFi of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-27 00:39:45, with 1768250 points after 65407 turns and 3:40:36. 08:45:37 !lg lasty won qaz x=char,fifteenskills 08:45:39 2. [char=OpFi;fifteenskills=Fighting,Axes,Dodging,Shields,Charms,Invocations] Lasty the End of an Era (L27 OpFi of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-27 00:39:45, with 1768250 points after 65407 turns and 3:40:36. 08:45:40 so idk why I didn't train more inv, probably I just wanted more fighting and dodging and such 08:45:49 !lg lasty won qaz s=char,fifteenskills 08:45:50 2 games for lasty (won qaz): OpFi (Fighting,Axes,Dodging,Shields,Charms,Invocations), MfAs (Fighting,Polearms,Armour,Dodging,Spellcasting,Necromancy,Transmutations,Invocations,Evocations) 08:46:04 Not too much offensive skills looks like 08:46:05 I do think that "have good defenses and kill everything with clouds" is pretty valid though 08:46:37 but yeah, if I'm going Qaz I'll usually drop conjurations and summoning 08:46:44 since they're both pretty bad w/ Qaz 08:47:28 well, they are redundant with the invocations to some extent, but I wouldn't call them necessarily bad 08:48:03 since you can't use the invocations every battle unless qaz piety changed a lot when I wasn't watching 08:50:03 Depends on how big your battles are. If you kill enough people w/ disaster area or upheaval, it can be relatively piety neutral. In general tho you can't use it constantly. But Qaz gameplay makes resting to regen mana less practical for conjurations 08:50:20 so you'd want them as a secondary or tertiary offense probably 08:51:28 well, you definitely want to melee also 08:52:05 and cold/fire-based conjurations can be frustrating with opposite-element clouds 08:52:06 qaz isn't remotely piety neutral even in zigs full of weak crap 08:52:07 but I was pretty happy with both my GrWn (had LRD iron shot shatter at the end, and 10 inv) and my HEWn (used fireball bolt of fire) 08:53:06 Earth seems pretty solid as a combo w/ Qaz. Offers single-target damage, defensive boosts, and no interference from clouds. 08:53:12 (the HaNe only trained inv to 4 and just killed everything with melee + amazing halfling defenses + clouds) 08:53:48 I do remember the interference from clouds being annoying with the HEWn, but it was more of a "this interface is awful" thing than "this is actually bad" 08:53:56 -!- spacet__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:56 anyway I think that qazlal abilities not being usable in every battle is enough of a reason for it to be reasonable to not want to spend lots of xp on invocations 08:58:04 book (L21 DrCj) (Depths:2) 09:00:08 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:27 elliptic: the way I see it, most battles you can win by hitting things with a stick. The invocations are there for the other times, and you can definitely use them often enough to take care of all the other times, if you position them to mostly hit multiple targets. 09:01:56 elliptic: but I suppose it's good to know that Qaz can support other playstyles too 09:05:44 you still need to be able to handle most battles without the invocations 09:06:00 which requires investment in other skills 09:06:08 well, yeah 09:06:24 but, as Trog makes clear, it's not hard to have very high investments in at least 4 skills 09:06:33 and Invo is a particularly cheap skill most of the time 09:06:46 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07:06 and if you are investing in other skills a decent amount anyway, you can just invest more in those and handle everything with them just like most chars manage, and with lower-power invocations for assistance occasionally 09:07:35 yeah, I'm not saying training inv up high is bad... it is fairly cheap on most species and there is a lot of xp in the game 09:08:06 but there are other good things to do with xp also 09:08:16 e.g. get borg with that xp 09:09:07 or become significantly dieseler 09:09:36 -!- stokes has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:39 -!- stokes has quit [Client Quit] 09:11:17 Well, yes -- you can win most combos atheist with strong melee offense/defense. If you're already worshipping Qaz, then it's not that pricy to also get a few very, very strong AOE options that can be used fairly often 09:11:32 but to each their own :) 09:12:18 the thing is that qaz gives you that at 0 inv 09:12:24 (clouds) 09:12:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 09:12:41 but yes, it is good that there are multiple approaches to take :) 09:13:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:14:08 I just was disagreeing with the "qaz worship is a net negative unless you train invo high", since I haven't felt that way at all 09:14:37 Numberwang (L27 HOGl) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. (Zig:11) 09:22:53 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:34:16 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:35:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:32 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:40:59 there is a nice bug going on during my game 09:41:05 something about num species 09:41:08 I can't die 09:41:52 which_species of 100 out of range 0 (0) .. NUM_SPECIES (38) 09:42:03 its on berato 09:42:13 berotato 09:44:39 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 09:47:13 -!- Roland__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:56 My fellow chaps when I download trunk there are no options in the init.file. What gives? 09:50:01 -!- Roland__ has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:54:05 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55:20 -!- Roland__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:07 nice not sticking around 09:59:40 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 10:01:03 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:40 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:07 -!- caleba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:45 !crashlog book 10:14:45 1. book, XL21 DrCj, T:55557 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/book/crash-book-20150210-145802.txt 10:14:49 !crashlog numberwang 10:14:49 2. Numberwang, XL27 HOGl, T:107748 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Numberwang/crash-Numberwang-20150210-151400.txt 10:15:30 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:45 book is some ih 10:15:50 aargh 10:16:07 book is some interaction with penetration and ball lightning 10:16:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:16:53 You finish putting on the +4 cloak of Activism {rF+ MR+ Dex-3 Slay+5}. 10:16:58 dangggg 10:17:53 probably numberwang is because i was messing with the delay code 10:18:11 but it tried to put on the cloak while still wearing the other cloak 10:18:53 it's cold out there, need layers 10:19:49 agentgt: it should have told you what file the crash was in, do you remember / can you check? 10:21:34 100 is SP_UNKNOWN, i think 10:23:33 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:12 huh 10:31:19 apparently data_index is a thing 10:31:24 * wheals makes some notes 10:36:39 Lasty: was this thing about evoc training not stopping when you sac evo a known issue 10:37:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:41:35 kvaak: There was an outstanding issue like that for a while, but I believe I fixed it last month or so 10:41:43 Is it still happening? 10:41:57 my trunk build is less than a week old 10:42:09 it definitely shows 50% on fighting after saccing evo 10:42:17 blerg 10:42:40 So steps to recreate: train Fighting/Evo, then Sac Evo? Anything else necessary? 10:42:41 !tell |amethyst would it be possible to make data_index not require inheritance? seems the problem is the map() function; could you require TVal to have a "which" field and check that? 10:42:41 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:42:50 nope 10:43:11 do note it gets fixed as soon as you mess around with skills 10:44:02 confirmed the issue 10:44:35 yeah, and evo is still getting XP 10:44:40 ow 10:44:50 (does that actually get you evo levels?) 10:44:55 I swear I tested this scenario directly 10:45:08 kvaak: yes 10:45:21 1learn add secret_tech 10:46:03 apparently you can also quit from the skill screen if you had no skills active previously 10:46:06 %git :/[tT]raining 10:46:06 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3918-g54d4735: Clarify xtraining/skillup messaging (8930) 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54d47359cade 10:46:18 %git :/[sS]top [tT]raining 10:46:18 07Lasty02 * 0.16-a0-3820-g492871e: Give Ru the power to make you actually stop training something 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=492871e95995 10:46:32 other than evo that is 10:48:57 hmm 10:51:25 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3964-g72b9e46: Use BASELINE_DELAY in some monster enchantment durations 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72b9e461b672 10:51:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:37 %git f3423b35 10:51:37 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3963-gf3423b3: Ban Ely from zotdef 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3423b35b12a 10:51:40 Weird, abandoning an Invo god doesn't make you stop training Invo 10:51:45 ashenzari: really really banned in zotdef? 10:51:57 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:59 can't we just ban zotdef? 10:52:04 Aside from Ru, does anything actually -force- you to stop training a skill? 10:52:28 dropping weapons/shields, forgetting spells, probably 10:53:05 hitting 27 10:53:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:24 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:24 yeah, shields does it 10:54:05 is zotdef still disabled in releases at least? 10:54:14 i don't think it's ever been disabled in releases 10:54:23 I thought it was at some point 10:54:29 I guess I can check on 0.15 10:54:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54:41 !lm * zotdef !alpha s=cv 10:54:42 16661 milestones for * (zotdef !alpha): 5034x 0.10, 4033x 0.9, 2518x 0.11, 2406x 0.15, 1540x 0.14, 788x 0.12, 342x 0.13 10:54:44 or do that 10:54:48 hm, I guess I am wrong 10:54:52 i was looking into doing so, seems easy to do but i guess server owners might need to adjust things? 10:55:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:04 oh, so here's the issue: I tested with shields, not evo. W/ shields it works fine :p 10:55:17 right, dgl/webtiles config might need to be changed I guess 10:56:04 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:21 !lm * zotdef crash 0.15 x=cdist(noun) 10:56:22 23 milestones for * (zotdef crash 0.15): cdist(noun)=21 10:56:32 !lm * zotdef crash 0.14 x=cdist(noun) 10:56:32 23 milestones for * (zotdef crash 0.14): cdist(noun)=16 10:56:37 think of it as prep for disabling in trunk too 10:56:37 !lm * zotdef crash 0.13 x=cdist(noun) 10:56:38 One milestone for * (zotdef crash 0.13): cdist(noun)=1 10:57:05 only one crash in 0.13 but I guess it got a lot fewer games then for some reason :P 10:57:09 i think for the past two stable versions monsters don't even try to pathfind to the orb 10:57:12 !lm * zotdef crash 0.15 s=noun 10:57:13 23 milestones for * (zotdef crash 0.15): 2x ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster swamp worm failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb), 2x ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster fire elemental failed to pathfind to (39,52) (the Orb), ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster kraken failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb), ERROR in 'mon-movetarge... 10:57:43 !lm * zotdef crash 0.15 / noun~~"failed to pathfind" 10:57:44 23/23 milestones for * (zotdef crash 0.15): N=23/23 (100.00%) 10:57:48 !lm * zotdef crash 0.14 / noun~~"failed to pathfind" 10:57:49 22/23 milestones for * (zotdef crash 0.14): N=22/23 (95.65%) 10:59:27 well at least all the crashes are about pathfinding :P 10:59:27 Oh, I see the issue 10:59:29 they also fail at pathfinding, in addition to failing to pathfind 11:00:16 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01:15 hmm, lua can mess with your piety now right? since that trove thingy 11:01:36 maybe arenasprint can give exploration gods piety per wave 11:01:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:01:49 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:50 for fun hacky special-casey-ness 11:03:23 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:21 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 11:06:28 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:11:02 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:13:40 -!- ahahaha has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:03 kvaak: Fixed! Also another bug that I noticed while testing. Thanks for the report! 11:16:26 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:50 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3965-g8fd1348: For the third, or maybe fourth time, let Ru actually deactivate skills (kvaak) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fd1348b1c67 11:16:50 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3966-g4235db0: Don't skip sac offer if one of the sacrifices is SAC_SKILL 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4235db04d04b 11:17:00 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:17 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:18:29 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:22:10 -!- Fusha has quit [] 11:22:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3964-g72b9e46 (34) 11:24:59 -!- Brannock is now known as Brannock_ 11:25:37 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:18 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:43 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:50 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:28:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:29 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:05 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:42:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:00 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:50 wheals: I was thinking about automagically checking for exploration, yeah. however, idk how much effort it makes to put into zot defense 11:44:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:35 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 11:54:46 well, there's also sprint 11:54:49 oh, he's gone 11:54:50 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:56:19 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:57:55 re: screenshots https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Screenies/besthatch.png 12:00:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:09:35 !tell pleasingfungus Has anyone yet pointed out that the "ban Ely from zotdef" commit bans Ashenzari twice instead 12:09:36 magicpoints: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:11:10 [10 17:14] [16:51:45] ashenzari: really really banned in zotdef? 12:14:04 Bloax: why would you read tele in that situation, seems like a pretty easy orb ninja 12:17:20 -!- Pluie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:50 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3967-g472d695: Don't double-ban Ashenzari in Zotdef (and do ban Elyvilon) 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=472d695a87c2 12:28:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:30:50 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:31:01 -!- lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:31:51 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.16-a0-3968-g44aede0: C++11: Replace `make_stringf("%d", n)` with `to_string(n)` 10(3 days ago, 8 files, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44aede0c866e 12:31:51 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3969-g3a54c91: Replace make_stringf("%c",...) and %s. 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a54c9111284 12:31:59 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:20 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 12:32:34 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:56 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:42 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:07 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, you could require TVal to have a 'which'... in which case you could probably get rid of the TKey template parameter and use something ugly like typedef decltype(((TVal *)nullptr)->which) TKey; 12:40:25 for template programming, the uglier the better! 12:40:27 <|amethyst> wheals: or, instead of requiring 'which', have data_index's constructor take a function 12:40:48 <|amethyst> template class data_index 12:41:15 <|amethyst> then data_index(const TVal* _pop, KeyFunc kfn) 12:43:51 and could you typedef decltype(kfn) TKey? 12:44:56 <|amethyst> probably typedef decltype(kfn(*(TVal *)nullptr)) TKey 12:45:22 <|amethyst> or if you know TVal will have a default constructor, typedef decltype(kfn(TVal())) TKey 12:45:35 <|amethyst> probably need a few 'typename's in there to disambiguate 12:46:07 <|amethyst> hm 12:46:17 <|amethyst> the more I look at this 12:46:33 <|amethyst> now that we have C++11 we could just replace the whole class with a map? 12:47:15 <|amethyst> static const map> summonsdata = 12:47:16 <|amethyst> { 12:47:26 <|amethyst> { SPELL_SUMMON_BUTTERFLIES, {8, 5} }, 12:47:27 <|amethyst> ... 12:51:51 hmm, sounds good 12:54:32 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Stop. 14:33:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:39:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:14 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:13 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:20 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:53 -!- Siegurt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:59 %git :/\.d 14:50:59 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3970-g9cea972: Replace summons_index with a map (wheals). 10(2 hours ago, 5 files, 53+ 134-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cea97289b66 14:51:30 see commit message 14:51:36 (yes this is ridiculous) 14:54:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:59:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:34 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:13 chequers, probably need to `make clean` 15:04:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:03 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:16 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:17:22 -!- Siegurt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:29:12 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:43 -!- WereVolvo1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:17 Eptagon (L17 GrFi) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. 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Eptagon, XL17 GrFi, T:30908 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Eptagon/crash-Eptagon-20150210-213015.txt 15:41:22 <|amethyst> oh 15:41:26 <|amethyst> to repeat that crash 15:41:44 <|amethyst> have some armour worn in some slot 15:41:53 <|amethyst> put on a new piece of armour for the same slot 15:41:57 <|amethyst> get interrupted 15:42:44 <|amethyst> Say "N" to "Keep disrobing?" then say "Y" to "Keep equipping yourself?" 15:44:33 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 15:45:14 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:54 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:51:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:16 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:52 geekosaur: seemed so, thanks 16:00:16 wheals: thanks for the tip 16:00:30 yeah, that was some guy's earlier today too 16:00:37 !lm * crash noun~~-1 -2 16:00:38 219/220. [2015-02-10 15:14:00] Numberwang the Bringer of Law (L27 HOGl of Zin) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed on turn 107748. (Zig:11) 16:00:57 i figure i caused it with delay code changes 16:00:58 somehow 16:01:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:02:20 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:25 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:32 -!- muravey has quit [Client Quit] 16:06:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:48 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:55 atrodo (L16 FeSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 16:07:59 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:09:24 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:09:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:10:16 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:41 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:56 <|amethyst> wheals: in 0bdf5d4 why did you move the _clear_pending_delays() call in stop_delay ? 16:17:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:49 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, I see, so you can detect multiple_corpses 16:23:09 <|amethyst> wheals: anyway, I'm pretty sure that's the change causing the crash. _clear_pending_delays leaves the first item on the delay queue, but since it is after popping now, that means the next delay sticks around rather than being cancelled with it 16:24:01 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:24:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:24:58 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:27 -!- Pluie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:53 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:59 atrodo (L16 FeSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 16:28:29 atrodo (L16 FeSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 16:31:25 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:31 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37:18 -!- rivet1 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 16:38:26 -!- Gobbo has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:44 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 16:39:18 <|amethyst> wheals: also, I don't think those commits actually worked... I can still butcher an unlimited number of corpses in what looks like one turn 16:39:41 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, but only if I get interrupted 16:43:09 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 16:45:06 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:44 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:51:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:03 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:17 CyanideCapsule (L7 KoAs) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. (D:4) 16:53:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:13 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:15 -!- Sczcya has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:26 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:53:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:54:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3971-g637177a: Don't let the player half-cancel armour swaps. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=637177ace6a6 16:54:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3972-g91ea21f: Don't make butchery free when interrupted. 10(83 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91ea21f7062c 16:55:22 hm, and I think I once triggered that case and wondered what would happen if I did that (but didn't try it...) 16:55:44 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 16:57:32 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:36 this is an interesting graph: https://shalott.org/graphs/7d22fb203ec0921c7661238fc42e42320e7d2026.html 16:57:56 why is xl2 so safe? it's the only discontinuous entry 16:58:10 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:33 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150201 s=xl !boring -graph 16:58:33 20678 games for * (start>20150201 !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/f742565e32732c9afd62895b44b4222afd4997b2.html 17:00:06 even more pronounced 17:00:17 !lg * start>20150201 place=d s=place -graph 17:00:18 20150 games for * (start>20150201 place=d): https://shalott.org/graphs/15ff075ebe953c91d9eda9db346631ee4d10c4ac.html 17:00:23 !lg * !boring start>20150201 place=d s=place -graph 17:00:24 17994 games for * (!boring start>20150201 place=d): https://shalott.org/graphs/b20e18fb2d32e72f89e23af05e472915dafb2ed9.html 17:00:50 players are often on D:2 or D:3 at XL 3, but often still D:1 at XL 2 17:01:09 !lg * start>20150201 s=xl !boring -graph won 17:01:09 148 games for * (start>20150201 !boring won): https://shalott.org/graphs/e4eda740456d5e0527de722ec75ac5b31775d20d.html 17:01:11 and chars who survive to XL 2 on D:1 are pretty safe there 17:01:15 !lg * !boring start>20150201 place=d s=place -graph won 17:01:15 148 games for * (!boring start>20150201 place=d won): https://shalott.org/graphs/317227a1e449caf2633b56e93d0666900a81edf5.html 17:01:27 oh, duh 17:01:34 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150201 place=d:1 s=xl -graph 17:01:35 5379 games for * (start>20150201 place=d:1): https://shalott.org/graphs/af65ac91669387978f91f45fd395762ddcaa9d61.html 17:01:37 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150201 place=d:2 s=xl -graph 17:01:38 3859 games for * (start>20150201 place=d:2): https://shalott.org/graphs/2e731b3f1ba135bbb52ed0baafc3d1401f443fdf.html 17:02:05 yeah, almost 2:1 for xl1 on d1:d2 17:02:34 <|amethyst> !lg * start>20150201 place=d:8 s=xl -graph 17:02:35 489 games for * (start>20150201 place=d:8): https://shalott.org/graphs/55ee506e61664fc6446df24c0f5450d0500baf7e.html 17:03:06 !lg * start>20150201 s=xl !boring -graph goodplayers 17:03:06 No keyword 'goodplayers' 17:03:09 !lg * start>20150201 s=xl !boring -graph goodplayer 17:03:10 No keyword 'goodplayer' 17:03:13 @goodplayers 17:03:18 !lg * start>20150201 s=xl !boring -graph @goodplayers 17:03:26 2338 games for * (start>20150201 !boring @goodplayers): https://shalott.org/graphs/9faeee9a6ae6b97b550ee60d13b83160b777da21.html 17:03:50 ok, so it's not an artifact of newbie play style 17:04:12 well, xl2 bump is an artifact of newbies 17:04:26 !lg * !boring start>20150201 place=d s=place -graph @goodplayers 17:04:35 1937 games for * (!boring start>20150201 place=d @goodplayers): https://shalott.org/graphs/7f8ae75b70ce3c9aebc46b86fff5deda83715925.html 17:05:37 seems like d:5 gets much easier all of a sudden though. I wonder if that's the level your offense becomes "reliable enough" 17:06:47 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:44 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3972-g91ea21f (34) 17:10:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:11 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:11:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:14:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:16:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:18:42 -!- _miek has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:26 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:52 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:54 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:59 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:57 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28:11 !tell PleasingFungus I had an idea for improving the xv interface showing monster spells wrt the range; it would be nice if ranged spells indicated whether you are in range of the spell. Possibly only in the spell description view where range is shown, but it'd likely be most helpful to indicate right on xv somehow. Anyhow, let me know what you think 17:28:12 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 17:28:16 dangit 17:28:47 man it'd be nice if that printed how long your message actually was 17:29:19 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:49 !tell PleasingFungus I had an idea for improving the xv interface showing monster spells wrt the range: it'd be nice if ranged monster spells indicated whether you are in range currently. Possibly only under the spell detail view, but probably most helpfully on the xv screen directly somehow. 17:30:49 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 17:32:27 |amethyst: thanks for the fix! 17:33:00 |amethyst: it's quite possible brent's comment there explained why i shouldn't have done that, but i couldn't understand the point it's making at all 17:33:58 oh, nvm, i suddenly see his point 17:34:18 !tell PleasingFungus In case you're looking for gods to implement: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15124 17:34:18 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 17:38:13 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:26 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:40:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:11 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:47:12 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:03 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 17:51:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:52:47 -!- Siegurt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:52:55 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:55:55 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:47 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 18:04:08 -!- spacet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:50 gammafunk: re: tavern god, kidding, right? 18:05:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:10:12 trapokhlohe 18:11:49 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:13:04 !messages 18:13:04 (1/1) wheals said (20h 41m 59s ago): do you think you'd be able to host a new version of monster-trunk than Cheibriados's on Kramell? 18:13:21 probably not... 18:13:26 aw 18:13:28 that's ok 18:13:30 I don't actually have my own server 18:14:51 I run Kramell on openshift 18:16:08 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:49 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:20:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:23:47 Lasty: "I've only just started digging into how gods work in the code. It's interesting, but definitely going to take a while to figure it all out. Mostly they seem to pop up as special cases in the implementation of various mechanics." 18:23:50 he's on to you guys 18:24:10 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:47 fr: god of switch/case 18:28:07 5* intentional fallthrough ability 18:28:10 minmay: crap, he's gonna blow the whole thing 18:28:24 gammafunk: lol 18:29:17 Lasty: there was a great bug in the april fool's nostalgia branch, where, before grunt redid monster spell logic, it was all essentially this big switch case 18:29:32 and I added back in terpsichore, who had this spectral dance spell 18:29:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:29:44 but I forgot to add the break to the case 18:29:52 so every time she cast it, she also cast monstrous menagerie 18:30:01 just as a freebie 18:34:29 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 18:35:54 lol 18:35:58 very nice 18:36:17 case fallthroughs make great bugs 18:37:13 darkli (L1 DEIE) ERROR in 'beam.cc' at line 389: ASSERT failed: z_type of 74 out of range 0 (0) .. NUM_ZAPS (74) (D (Sprint)) 18:37:28 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:46 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:02 uh 18:38:12 why is there an ely altar in arenasprint 18:40:07 it's postmodern 18:40:30 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:48:32 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:48:57 wheals: i can 18:49:08 wheals: just tell me how to create the data 18:49:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:52:28 -!- sgun_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:26 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:57:51 the data comes from crawl itself 18:57:56 ??monster 18:57:56 monsters[1/4]: The most up-to-date code for %?? and %? can be found at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git , or clone from http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git , branch 'bleeding-edge-crawl'. 18:59:16 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:41 i just asked the following question in ##crawl, and DrKe suggested i re-ask here: why is the orb of zot apportable without starting the ascension run? it seems like it leads to boring gameplay, where if you choose to clear zot:5, you "have to" go through the tedious process of gradually apporting it all the way back to a staircase 19:01:08 it's cool that the orb is apportable, so that you don't have to kill everything to steal it, but why does that only cause noise instead of starting the ascenscion run proper? 19:01:38 <|amethyst> "have to" in what sense? 19:02:26 |amethyst: in the sense that, if you've already cleared zot, you get to skip a whole floor's worth of running away from demons. it's a boring thing to do, but improves your chances of success enough (given that you're clearing zot) that you feel required to do it 19:02:42 like there's this guy who does crawl videos, and he always clears zot because whatever, he thinks it's a good idea, who am i to say otherwise. and then he feels compelled to apport it all the way to the stairs, which is boring footage and boring gameplay 19:03:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:03:09 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03:25 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:04:10 I'm not all that confident that your chance of ascending successfully increases by doing that 19:04:28 yeah, I never do it 19:04:29 yeah you do increase the number of random spawns on the level 19:04:43 and all that noise 19:04:47 ive done it plenty of times, probably not necessary most/all of those times 19:04:53 will probably attract stuff 19:04:56 and ive never seen the noise be an issue too other than maybe once 19:04:59 but I guess you could as well argue that successfull apport to the player's square of items that don't take inventory like that 19:05:02 should just get picked up 19:05:06 i always felt the noise issue was drastically overstated 19:05:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:15 maybe 19:05:18 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:20 i'm not saying that full-clearing zot is the right strategy in every game, but that if you have cleared it, apporting is clearly right 19:05:24 should probably be more noise then 19:05:28 and doing so is un-fun, so why make it an option? 19:05:30 i have never once had anything come out from the uncleared lung next to the orb 19:06:00 i think i mightve brought stuff out once? twice? from the second entry lung but thats it really 19:06:19 its not as if making noise going to the stairs gets you swamped with a half dozen oofs and ancient liches at once 19:06:25 i like what gfunk said 19:06:30 save a turn on rune ninjas 19:06:39 I suppose apporting it could make it summon a durable orb guardian. It wouldn't really change any reasonable orb-running scenarios, but would make it obviously suboptimal to apport it all level 19:06:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk: even if you have autopickup turned off? 19:07:05 <|amethyst> or you could just ban apporting it 19:07:11 |amethyst: well I think to implement amalloy's idea it'd have to go into inventory 19:07:19 being able to apport it is necessary for teleninja 19:07:23 I think allowing apportation of the orb is interesting -- allows orb ninjaing 19:07:29 it's not really an autopickup issue 19:07:32 i agree, you want it to stay apportable 19:07:39 yeah I mean apporting to inventory if the rune/orb made it to you is a slight buff 19:07:43 but not really that much 19:07:47 *buff to players 19:07:53 <|amethyst> except it's not a buff 19:07:59 <|amethyst> that's exactly why it's being proposed 19:08:07 no it's not? 19:08:22 it's a buff in that it saves you a turn if you were planning to pick it up anyway 19:08:33 but a nerf in that it prevents you from apporting it over and over 19:08:41 it's a slight buff for any scenario that *matters*, how about that 19:09:24 gammafunk: are you saying nobody has ever died in zot:5 because of the stuff that appears after you pick up the orb? 19:09:54 no, I'm saying that when you apport the orb on an uncleared level, that's when apporting the orb matters 19:10:04 most especially when you are ninjaing 19:10:07 it would be if you didnt have to spend a turn to pick it up 19:10:09 nobody has ever benefitted from apporting the orb and then not picking it up, I promise you that 19:10:24 <|amethyst> !lm * orb lg:place=zot:5 s=lg:ckiller 19:10:25 366 milestones for * (orb lg:place=zot:5): 135x an Orb Guardian, 45x an orb of fire, 33x an ancient lich, 19x a pandemonium lord, 14x an electric golem, 11x an Ice Fiend, 10x a Hell Sentinel, 9x a draconian, 7x a tentacled monstrosity, 7x a Brimstone Fiend, 7x a storm dragon, 5x a Killer Klown, 4x a hellion, 4x a draconian scorcher, 3x a draconian zealot, 3x a Balrug, 3x a draconian annihilator, 3... 19:11:21 i mean, gfunk's suggestion would be a player buff undoubtedly 19:11:33 as to this hypothetical cleared-zot-apport-orb, i agree it is insignificant 19:11:35 amalloy: anyone who died after fully clearing zot, picking up the orb, and running into something and dying most certainly made a terrible mistake 19:11:44 well 19:11:51 -!- ldf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:51 but i was referring to the whole apport items that dont take space into inventory 19:11:52 anyone who dies that late in the game at all certainly made a terrible mistake 19:12:25 well my scenario is even more terrible of a mistake!!! 19:12:30 I know I've never died that late w/o making at least one terrible mistake 19:12:42 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 19:12:55 does this mean the orb would also lose the awful special cases for apportation 19:13:17 but the flavor... 19:13:18 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:04 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:16:30 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:34 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:03 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19:21 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:07 <+gammafunk> the data comes from crawl itself <-- I mean I can't compile the damn thing 19:22:33 oh, ask |amethyst about that 19:22:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:00 <|amethyst> chequers: getting an error compiling monster? 19:24:46 yes, lemme go to lunch and then report back 19:25:02 it was fialing in the last few steps of compiling crawl, I think the linking stage where some libs were missing 19:25:18 I cp -r'ed my normal crawl dev directory into the right place, so every contrib should have been there 19:25:26 maybe the orb run should start when the orb moves off of its starting place 19:25:34 -!- Thalfon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:25:42 so you don't punish failed apports 19:26:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:26:12 wheals: right, that seems pretty reasonable to me 19:26:16 (also makes it more of a surprise if anyone gets that far without knowing about there being an orbrun) 19:26:34 wheals: would such a person even think of apporting it, though? 19:26:35 did anyone suggest making the orb apportation immune 19:26:42 chequers: yes 19:26:59 I meant that even if you picked it up, the orbrun wouldn't start until you moved 19:27:02 I think if you do that, you just go whole-hog and remove apport 19:27:05 seems like the most consistent way to do it 19:27:33 -!- rgould has quit [] 19:27:37 so they say "Aw yeah, finally found the orb, now I can escape in peace" 19:27:49 and then they move, and "The lord of pandemonium are not pleased!" 19:28:03 this was funnier in my head 19:28:04 alright, which spell to use on wheals, let me think 19:28:19 !dragoncall wheals 19:28:27 !dcall wheals 19:28:33 !dragonscall wheals 19:28:33 gammafunk calls out to the draconic realm, and the dragon horde roars back! The golden dragon tramples wheals!!! x3 19:28:34 wasnt that a command 19:28:39 let a real summoner do this 19:28:49 !glaciate gammafunk 19:28:49 DrKe casts a spell at gammafunk. DrKe conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs gammafunk! 19:28:53 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:58 dang, I had no rc 19:29:22 apparently wheals had little hp as well 19:29:55 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:29:58 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:30:23 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30:36 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:42 <|amethyst> chequers: oh, it doesn't really try to do contribs 19:36:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:00 gammafunk: imagine th eUI 19:37:12 <|amethyst> chequers: it looks for lua, sqlite, and that's it... if there are any other necessary contribs, you'll have to patch the makefile 19:37:24 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:35 "am I in range of this crystal spear?" x, toggle over to the lich, v, find the crystal spear oh wait liches don't even list their spells anymore 19:37:37 PleasingFungus: lasty asked me if I was seriously suggesting it to you :) 19:37:56 no I'm not talking about trapohkole 19:37:56 oh 19:37:57 haha 19:37:59 yeah 19:38:04 (I actually read that thread right before joining the channel) 19:38:09 well. skimmed 19:38:38 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:45 <|amethyst> Grunt: someone was having some kind of tileset mismatch problem on 0.15.2 android tiles 19:38:53 PleasingFungus: well, I guess you could argue that the mosnter spell list should puplate with that info as you learn it 19:38:55 <|amethyst> Grunt: http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2vc6gk/ 19:38:58 "this lich has crystal spear" 19:39:16 but that's not really something that holds up that UI suggestion either way I feel 19:39:26 that would be cool. tracking "seen spells" in monster info is something that I've been thinking about for a bit 19:39:34 would be useful for monsters with spellbooks, e.g. ogre magi 19:39:35 yeah certainly would be nice! 19:39:41 man, that one silly shatter pan lord death 19:39:47 wouldn't have saved me ofc 19:39:53 rip 19:40:04 !lg . ckaux=shatter br=pan 19:40:05 No games for gammafunk (ckaux=shatter br=pan). 19:40:07 and I don't think the Ui is as unreasonable there, since it'd be visible from the top-level monster description, rather than requiring you to examine a specific spell 19:40:19 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40:31 when I cast spider form, I appear as a pig. Also every fruit is not the fruit that is seen. Some animals appear to be "half" tiles, like they are torn or something. My default avatar sometimes has multiple avatars in it. I'm playing a naga right now and there's some other dude in the tile next to my naga. Not game breaking, just... Distracting? 19:40:33 yeah I agree it's not very good to have to go into detail 19:40:47 every fruit is not the fruit that is seen. 19:40:49 this is poetry. 19:40:53 or possibly philosophy. 19:41:13 PleasingFungus: i thought that bug went away 19:41:36 the comment about fruit is interesting 19:41:43 wasn't fruit reform in 0.15? 19:43:15 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:43:18 -!- Fusha has quit [] 19:43:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:30 BimmyLee (L5 MiGl) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. (D:3) 19:43:31 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:13 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:52 oh 19:45:04 gammafunk: did you see the gammadunk in the armour preview thread 19:45:19 haha, no, what was it? 19:45:44 augh, I can never remember how to link to posts on tavern 19:45:51 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15092 second-to-last post in this thread 19:45:54 also I stabbed my way through pf_orc_diabolical...and the pan portal was a mimic. I felt a strange sense of unease at the PleasingFungus dev synergy 19:45:59 yessssss 19:46:14 I truly feel I've left my mark on crawl, now. 19:46:17 !killratio robin * 19:46:19 robin wins 12.90% of battles. 19:46:26 !lg * kmap~~pf_ s=kmap 19:46:27 31 games for * (kmap~~pf_): 22x pf_orc_diabolical, 9x pf_torpor_hydra 19:46:34 well 19:46:44 hope he likes it when mods randomly edit his posts 19:46:49 they can do that! 19:47:06 brutally fucked up. INSANE power abuses itt 19:47:14 can't believe I'm reading this.... .. . . . 19:47:16 smh 19:47:18 huh? 19:47:21 hi crab 19:47:35 whats an insane power abuse 19:47:35 ak, want a secret spoiler for future crawl thread discussion 19:47:38 yes 19:47:43 http://i.imgur.com/Ma0KC82.png 19:48:09 not played crawl in a bit 19:48:21 been working on a crusader kings 2 achievement 19:48:30 which one 19:48:34 wait nvm OFF TOPIC 19:48:44 we can discuss it in there 19:48:44 we must stay strictly on-topic in this channel, of all channels. 19:48:48 so will there be a crab race? 19:49:06 there will be a race to post about crabs in the sa crawl thread 19:49:09 if history is any judge 19:49:14 and I will be ready...! 19:49:21 awww yeah 19:52:52 -!- mineral has quit [Quit: bye.] 19:53:09 wormsofcan (L19 FoAK) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(type)) in 'monster.cc' at line 3382 failed. (Snake:4) 19:54:13 is that duvessa's longest serious post so far 19:54:47 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:54 quite possibly 19:55:08 it's like, a whole paragraph 19:55:29 posts? 19:55:40 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:38 do I put crash reports on mantis if I have no idea what caused the crash? http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/wormsofcan/crash-wormsofcan-20150211-015231.txt 19:57:25 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:14 shock serpent crash 19:58:56 go team shock serpent :v 19:59:18 anyway sure report it 19:59:30 shock serpents OP plz nerf 19:59:42 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 19:59:52 !lg kramin ikiller!= s=ikiller 19:59:52 597 games for kramin (ikiller!=): 44x a gnoll, 35x an adder, 28x a kobold, 28x a hobgoblin, 26x an orc priest, 25x an orc wizard, 20x an orc, 18x a giant gecko, 17x a jackal, 16x a goblin, 15x an ogre, 14x a centaur, 12x a worm, 12x an orc warrior, 10x Sigmund, 9x Grinder, 9x a bat, 8x Crazy Yiuf, 7x an ooze, 6x Natasha, 6x Prince Ribbit, 5x a worker ant, 5x a killer bee, 5x a spiny frog, 5x an ig... 20:00:15 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:15 I mean, being able to crash the game at will, that's OP right? 20:00:15 !lg * current trunk !boring br=snake s=ikiller 20:00:16 1226 games for * (current trunk !boring br=snake): 182x a naga sharpshooter, 170x a shock serpent, 155x Vashnia, 124x a greater naga, 82x a naga warrior, 58x an anaconda, 38x a guardian serpent, 37x a black mamba, 36x a salamander, 32x a naga ritualist, 29x a naga mage, 22x Jorgrun, 19x Aizul, 19x a mana viper, 18x Asterion, 17x a naga, 16x Azrael, 16x a salamander mystic, 11x, 10x Agnes, 9x Mara ... 20:00:23 hah 20:00:26 I don't think it's as reliable as that. 20:00:28 curious. 20:00:54 ??boring 20:00:54 boring[1/1]: For Sequell purposes, a game which ended either in a quit or leaving the dungeon without the Orb. 20:01:00 !kw boring 20:01:00 Keyword: boring => quitting|leaving 20:01:13 no !boring is not that 20:01:46 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:08 I strongly suspect that you want to add an "if (!act->alive()) continue; " to fineff.cc:486. not sure tho 20:02:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:29 Shock Serpent crash 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9479 by CanOfWorms 20:03:21 I'll leave a note. 20:03:23 also: shops should probably drop elemental evokers from list if one is found? 20:03:36 ya probably. imo report that too 20:03:40 not sure what the plan with that is 20:04:22 <|amethyst> huh? 20:04:28 <|amethyst> we don't do that with other items? 20:04:33 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:44 I think he means from the shopping list 20:04:51 <|amethyst> ohh 20:05:13 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:06:48 wait you can leave the dungeon without the orb? 20:07:15 <|amethyst> yes, ending the game (but surviving) 20:07:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:07:19 <|amethyst> !lg * ktype=leaving 20:07:20 272328. nanao the Shield-Bearer (L1 FoFi), got out of the dungeon alive on 2015-02-11 01:58:02, with 0 points after 29 turns and 0:00:15. 20:07:23 -!- AtomikKrab is now known as bedkrab 20:07:34 Elemental evokers / Shop list interaction 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9480 by CanOfWorms 20:07:34 i'll moniter the thread for crab news 20:08:30 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:37 iron imp (105) | Spd: 8 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-23 | AC/EV: 6/8 | Dam: 12 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 40 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 20:08:37 <|amethyst> %??iron imp 20:08:45 <|amethyst> oh, only two levels of relec 20:11:12 <|amethyst> My guess is that the bad monster on that crash was a tentacle or tentacle segment 20:11:24 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 20:11:58 yeah 20:12:06 it destroyed a tentacle segment earlier in the fineff 20:12:10 <|amethyst> yeah 20:13:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20:43 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:22:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3973-g53199ab: Don't crash when a shock serpent discharges into a tentacle (#9479) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53199ab9b33e 20:24:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3974-gfaa0fb1: Cull XP evokers from shopping lists (#9480) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=faa0fb1247dd 20:24:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: haha 20:24:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I didn't even see your comment 20:25:08 :) 20:25:19 good commits 20:25:40 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:53 <|amethyst> I wasn't able to reproduce the crash, but I am 100% certain mon->alive() would have returned false 20:26:01 good. 20:28:52 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:28:58 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:27 man, somehow the phrase "when a shock serpent discharges into a tentacle"....seems wrong 20:35:17 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:01 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 20:39:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: The Dream of the Fisherman's Electrician 20:39:55 I knew I'd heard it before.... 20:43:10 eruonna (L20 MiFi) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. (Depths:2) 20:43:25 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 20:43:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0.1/20150122214805]] 20:43:40 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:20 so was there any resolution on the apporting-the-orb issue earlier? it sounded like nobody was excited/convinced enough to change it, which is reasonable, i just wanted to make sure i know that's how the story ended 20:47:25 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 20:49:15 amalloy: I wasn't paying attention, what's the issue? 20:50:35 bh: the issue was that apporting the orb all the way to a staircase before picking it up is an unfun thing to do, but improves your chances of survival (even if only by a little) given that you've cleared zot, so why not just make this unfun thing impossible (eg by starting the orb run as soon as the orb is first moved) 20:50:59 Stragus: amalloy yeah, that sucks. on tileschat I threatened to remove it 20:51:49 we should never reward tedium 20:55:08 technically the only thing to do is split out moving the orb from having the orb 20:56:11 <_miek> I don't think its that tedious 20:56:15 <|amethyst> Could make it impossible to clear Zot:5 instead 20:56:30 <_miek> its also only possible if you've already cleared zot:5 20:56:36 <_miek> and most people leave a lung 20:57:22 _miek: ugh 20:58:15 is having the orb spawn oofs no good :v 20:58:25 on apport attempts 20:58:42 <_miek> heh that would discourage it 21:03:43 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:05:18 -!- Hurricos has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:43 -!- Hurricos has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:08 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:04 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:12:01 |amethyst: ah i see 21:12:16 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 1/28 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 04napalm | XP: 3705 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, invisibility [04emergency], deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: high. 21:12:16 %??the_enchantress 21:16:37 Lasty: shadow creatures gave me a caustic shrike pack on U:3 <3 21:16:47 too bad it wasn't when I was fighting the enchantress! 21:17:08 haha 21:17:12 a boy can dream 21:17:19 I bet you survived. :( 21:17:48 he's as bad as a player 21:24:58 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:08 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:40 gammafunk: fuck you 21:27:00 why are you so angry? 21:27:07 reading your old posts in the trash forum? 21:27:10 oh wait. you can't. 21:27:51 i guess it gets more thanks this way 21:27:53 -!- jark has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:34 -!- rgould has quit [] 21:34:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:37:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:53 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:34 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:44:02 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:29 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:43 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:15 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:50:11 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:50:31 gammafunk: good work on abusing your mod powers 21:50:33 you tyrant 21:50:50 I can't imagine what you're talking about! 21:51:44 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:11 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:15 hm 21:53:21 not sure if this should be pushed to prod or just a branch 21:53:27 feh 21:54:47 PleasingFungus: I was originally going to call it the -11 ring mail of PleasingFungus actually 21:55:00 but I got greedy and tried to go for more thanks 21:55:04 haha 21:55:15 see, I'm not a mod, so it'd be safe to go after me! 21:55:20 also I would have approved anyway 21:56:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3975-g5595768: Checkwhite 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5595768ab020 21:56:08 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3976-g683f154: Display skill-modified AC in body armour desc (minmay) 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 45+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=683f154def3e 21:56:52 my implementation of EV display is insanely broken, and actually breaks EV, period. not sure wh 21:56:54 y 21:58:01 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:59:24 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:07 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:03:56 http://sprunge.us/DjjW imo someone should tell me why this is broken 22:05:23 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:05:25 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06:25 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:54 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:12:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: i will never be EQ_BODY_ARMOUR in that loop 22:12:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: body armour is handled after the loop 22:12:49 hrm 22:13:14 oh, I see 22:14:19 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Jark/crash-Jark-20150211-041044.txt 22:15:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: with this extra parameter being passed through so many functions, I'd be half-tempted to sneak the item into the appropriate inventory slot, computer ev in the normal way, and restore 22:15:15 <|amethyst> s/computer/compute/ 22:15:23 yeah I was thinking about that :( 22:15:24 it's ugly 22:15:35 but this is also really bad 22:16:14 a mantis bug will be filed about the above 22:16:19 sneaking it in might have bad interactions with other stuff, e.g. melded 22:16:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:18:43 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:19 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:06 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:33 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:34 feh. this feature isn't worth making the code this bad 22:22:53 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:24:28 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:56 -!- ClawlessVictory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:28:13 hm 22:28:17 !seen wheals 22:28:17 I last saw wheals at Wed Feb 11 01:28:53 2015 UTC (2h 59m 24s ago) quitting, saying 'Read error: Connection reset by peer'. 22:29:23 <|amethyst> ¡learn add things_no_dev_actually_said_ever feh. this feature isn't worth making the code this bad 22:29:24 Okay, not adding things_no_dev_actually_said_ever => feh. this feature isn't worth making the code this bad 22:29:31 heh 22:29:35 no true devman? 22:30:01 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:26 hm. |amethyst, how hard would it be to have a "limited" search in the crawl-dev logs, for the last 3 months or 6 months or something like that (or a variable range?) 22:30:32 full searches take forever 22:31:26 !tell wheals I can't reproduce formicids getting a prompt for ?blinking - can you give me more info? 22:31:26 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 22:31:43 Particular game crashed all night 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9481 by jark 22:31:43 CBRO Webtiles Crash - which_species of 100 out of range 0 (0) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9482 by XuaXua 22:32:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=cheibriados.git;a=blob;f=dat/log/crawl-dev.log.concat;hb=HEAD 22:32:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not 'hard', but would probably double the size of the script 22:33:49 well, that orb ninja was.....embarrassing... 22:33:56 I recommend the tv if you want amusement 22:34:10 ??gammafunk[3 22:34:10 gammafunk[3/12]: MiBe^(Trog->Mak|Zin) DEAs^Zin|Kiku 22:34:18 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:34:25 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/DEAs\^Zin\|Kiku// 22:34:25 gammafunk[3/12]: MiBe^(Trog->Mak|Zin) 22:35:35 oh, perl 22:35:52 !learn set gammafunk[3] greaterplayer: MiBe^Trog->Mak 22:35:52 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: MiBe^Trog->Mak 22:36:40 anyway, some combination of 0ae921ea02a and 9cef621abbe is responsible for those crashes, I think 22:36:42 wheaaaallls 22:38:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:38:56 -!- Guest51143 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:40:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:40:10 -!- motorbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:52 -!- Lasty_1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:49 !tell wheals pretty sure 9481/9482 are your high-score old-race handling code changes 22:42:50 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 22:43:07 <|amethyst> hm 22:43:16 <|amethyst> the cbro score file has a bad line 22:43:29 <|amethyst> of venom:piety=200:end=20150101043530S:tmsg=slain by a reaper:vmsg=slain by a re 22:43:32 <|amethyst> aper (a +0 scythe of venom) 22:43:33 <|amethyst> that's the whole line 22:43:43 !tell wheals nvm 22:43:44 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 22:43:52 <|amethyst> meaning race isn't being initialised, so it's still SP_UNKNOWN from scorefile_entry::reset 22:43:55 <|amethyst> well 22:44:01 <|amethyst> probably it didn't crash before in that case 22:44:21 I guess it probably shouldn't crash 22:44:23 I guess 22:44:54 <|amethyst> nice death resistance though 22:45:04 ya 22:49:12 <|amethyst> testing a fix 22:49:43 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:51:44 -!- caleba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:55 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:16 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has quit [Client Quit] 22:55:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3977-g3e54836: Don't crash when parsing scorefile entries with missing species. 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e548368e9c5 22:56:18 <|amethyst> doh, forgot the "(#9481)" 22:56:54 rip 22:57:09 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:57:16 <|amethyst> rebuilding cbro, I'll resolve the bug when that's done 22:57:51 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:59:53 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:00:11 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:42 -!- rockit has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 33.1/20141113113219]] 23:03:31 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 23:03:49 <|amethyst> johnstein: did you do anything with the cbro trunk score file recently? It has a broken entry (a line starting with "of venom") 23:03:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 23:04:11 <|amethyst> johnstein: which was causing crashes, but that is (in the process of being) fixed now 23:05:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:04 <|amethyst> johnstein: though maybe not that recently---that line appears to be from 1 Feb 23:07:28 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3977-g3e54836 (34) 23:09:32 <|amethyst> oh, now that the chr tag desync is fixed, I should work some more on that save info parser 23:09:58 <|amethyst> ??wizmode check 23:09:59 wizmode check[1/2]: sh + perl to check whether a save is wizmode: wizard() { crawl -edit-save "" get chr - | perl -e 'undef $/; exit !(unpack "CCl>cs>/a*s>/a*cccs>/a*cs>/a*c", <>)[-1]'; } 23:10:47 <|amethyst> err 23:10:59 <|amethyst> !learn edit wizmode_check[1] s/""/"$1"/ 23:11:00 No change: regex `""` does not match `sh + perl to check whether a save is wizmode: wizard() { crawl -edit-save "$1" get chr - | perl -e 'undef $/; exit !(unpack "CCl>cs>/a*s>/a*cccs>/a*cs>/a*c", <>)[-1]'; }` 23:11:05 <|amethyst> ohh 23:11:15 <|amethyst> wizmode check?? 23:11:16 sh + perl to check whether a save is wizmode: wizard() { crawl -edit-save "" get chr - | perl -e 'undef $/; exit !(unpack "CCl>cs>/a*s>/a*cccs>/a*cs>/a*c", <>)[-1]'; } 23:11:21 <|amethyst> !learn q wizmode check 23:11:22 wizmode check[1/2]: sh + perl to check whether a save is wizmode: wizard() { crawl -edit-save "$1" get chr - | perl -e 'undef $/; exit !(unpack "CCl>cs>/a*s>/a*cccs>/a*cs>/a*c", <>)[-1]'; } 23:11:32 <|amethyst> there we go 23:11:37 oh, perl 23:12:49 -!- octotoad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:31 is Sequell ok 23:15:31 !lg . 23:15:32 527. chequers the Grappler (L11 TrMo of Fedhas), slain by a blink frog on Lair:1 (grunt_megastairs_3) on 2015-02-08 11:27:10, with 10416 points after 7574 turns and 0:17:38. 23:17:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:19:28 <|amethyst> of course right after you.wizard is where it gets complicated 23:20:24 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:47 <|amethyst> the crawl_state.map is marshalled only if the game type is 2 (GAME_TYPE_TUTORIAL) 23:21:50 <|amethyst> I would not be entirely surprised if there were a way to say that in the pack string 23:21:51 -!- walterch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:24:58 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:25:05 tgcid9999 (L10 VSAs) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. (Bailey) 23:25:14 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3976-g683f154 (34) 23:29:28 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:39 who created the logo.png? Are they still around? 23:33:40 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:11 keymashgrqeeg (L19 MuFE) ASSERT(you.equip[slot] == -1) in 'player-equip.cc' at line 64 failed. 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