00:00:30 anyway: I'm talking about the latter (monsters stickying players) 00:00:35 which is currently a non-thing 00:00:37 except super early 00:00:42 like, pre-lair mottleds or w/e 00:00:54 also unless you get very unlucky while invisible I guess 00:02:27 my thought is that it should be rethemed & changed to not check rF 00:02:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3939-g9a3e665 (34) 00:02:54 <|amethyst> could call it "fast poison" 00:03:08 ultrapoison 00:03:10 I'm of the opinion that people greatly underestimate the impact of monster sticky flame 00:03:25 just because the damage doesn't all happen at once 00:03:26 that's possible 00:03:39 it currently does on average 20 damage per application (with no rF), range 1-80. 00:03:49 average 5 damage per turn. 00:04:17 those numbers aren't terrible but rF exists. 00:04:23 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:26 I haven't really worried about sticky flame since item destruction was destroyed 00:04:35 and "10 damage across 4 turns, on average" is not what terror is made of. 00:04:36 <|amethyst> average of 20 with a range of 1-80 sounds like not the greatest distribution 00:04:48 mottled dragons went from my most feared to my least feared (earlyish game) 00:05:03 |amethyst: it uses random2avg heavily, so it tends strongly to the middle of that distribution 00:05:08 (part of the fear was dreading to have to micromanage dropping my fave scrolls before fighting it) 00:05:12 fave 00:05:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: why 20 and not 40 then? 00:05:22 ?/fave 00:05:22 No matches. 00:05:41 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess because the number of turns is also random 00:05:43 yes 00:05:59 1-8 turns, 1-10 damage per-turn 00:06:33 <|amethyst> could make it work like deterministic poison 00:06:49 <|amethyst> roll in advance how much damage you're going to take 00:06:59 could 00:07:13 displaying that is a nightmare (per our earlier discussions), but we have no particular need to 00:07:15 <|amethyst> anyway, you can't retheme monster sticky flame entirely 00:07:18 <|amethyst> because of ghosts 00:07:39 you could just remove it as a ghost spell, surely 00:07:42 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:55 <|amethyst> I guess there's that 00:08:00 i guess there are mottled draconians 00:08:10 but I'm not convinced that colour deserves to exist in the first place 00:08:35 <|amethyst> (at least I assume you don't want to make player sticky flame ignore rF) 00:09:01 I don't have any interest in changing player sticky flame, no 00:09:20 <|amethyst> could just make it scale with monster HD 00:09:24 making sticky flame ignore rF sounds like you're just making "beam smite" 00:09:46 <|amethyst> if the problem is that it's fine early, but weak later 00:09:50 damage over time, interactions with water & invisibility 00:10:04 those literally never matter 00:10:07 |amethyst: I have thought about, and discussed, that specific option quite a lot 00:10:11 minmay: that's literally not true 00:10:13 (and I can't believe you'd consider the water interaction good...) 00:10:23 why would I not consider it good 00:10:31 it's Emergent Gameplay, Terrain Mattering, etc 00:10:45 <|amethyst> If there's no water interaction why would you even make it do damage over time? 00:10:46 er 00:10:48 <|amethyst> it's damage over time that you can't cancel? 00:11:05 the water thing is not core but okay okay can we back up for a sec 00:11:10 |amethyst: in what way do you want to scale it with HD? 00:11:19 <|amethyst> I guess that means it's better against DD and worse against Tr than just doing the damage all at once 00:11:32 worse against both, surely 00:11:38 it means you swap to all your rF stuff 00:12:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I don't know, something like how most other spells scale.... more damage when cast by a higher HD monster 00:12:08 <|amethyst> more turns perhaps 00:12:37 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:12:53 <|amethyst> I think faster damage with higher HD would be better than a longer duration though 00:13:32 |amethyst: the problem with both of those is surfacing them to the player - keeping track of which monster you got stickied by to estimate how badly you'll be hurting. it also gets weird if you get stickied by multiple things. that might be solveable, idk 00:13:41 it's a mess every time i've talked with people about it 00:13:44 (nrook, hangedman, etc) 00:13:55 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:13:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: we already dealt with that with poison didn't we? 00:14:25 the stuff we did with poison makes it *harder* to make this sort of change for sticky flame, I suspect 00:14:26 <|amethyst> You are on fire (88 -> 23 HP) 00:14:31 since there's already so much load on the hp bar 00:14:38 <|amethyst> oh, because you might be both 00:14:41 yes 00:15:25 why would you change it to that when poison already exists? 00:15:37 is "fire poison" really that great of a mechanic 00:15:51 <|amethyst> why would you keep it at all when poison already exists? 00:15:59 <|amethyst> "damage over time" vs "damage over time" 00:16:04 <|amethyst> just that one's faster 00:16:06 at least the current version is sort of unique (unknown damage) since old poison is gone 00:16:26 you already know I want to remove it :P 00:17:54 wrt "what's the point of damage over time if you can't cure it" - time to react - knowing that you're going to be taking more damage in the near future (above and beyond whatever else nearby monsters may do to you) means you're more likely to start using escape options, but less likely to actually die than you would be if you just took all of the damage in one burst 00:18:15 <|amethyst> hm 00:18:20 sorry, was typing that out for a bit in between other messages 00:18:30 it's really hard to say anything meaningful in irc format 00:18:32 or at all 00:19:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but doesn't it have the same "helplessly wait while you die" problem that made us do deterministic poison? 00:20:06 can you clarify exactly what you mean there 00:20:14 doesn't deterministic poison have the same "helplessly wait while you die" problem that made you do deterministic poison 00:20:25 <|amethyst> I guess that's true 00:20:36 i thought what made you do deterministic poison was the "helplessly wait until you *don't* die" problem that non-deterministic poison had 00:21:08 <|amethyst> yeah, wasn't thinking clearly 00:21:12 <|amethyst> just now I mean 00:21:27 my vague feeling is that sticky flame should be 5 turns tops 00:21:58 which is pretty close to what it currently is in practice 00:22:11 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 00:22:19 <|amethyst> I guess I'm not sure how it makes it less likely to actually die... is that because you have more turns to /HW ? 00:22:54 or put on rF+ 00:23:01 assuming that the only damage source is sticky flame, yes. given that you've been sticky flamed, there's likely at least one monster nearby, so you probably have other options to reduce damage 00:23:22 involving your choices in fighting or not fighting those monster(s) 00:23:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, I guess I was thinking of the situation where the full sticky flame damage would have killed you outright 00:23:36 "at least" 00:23:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so instead you get to die five turns later unless you heal or find water 00:23:47 !send Zot minmay 00:23:47 Sending minmay to Zot. 00:23:59 well of course sticky flame does nothing in zot lol 00:24:05 that's what I'm trying to fix!!!! 00:24:08 neither does fire dragon bolt of fire 00:24:29 !lg * zot killer="fire dragon" 00:24:29 7. damdam the Metallomancer (L27 DrTm of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by a fire dragon (blast of flame) on Zot:4 on 2014-11-15 09:15:01, with 711955 points after 108096 turns and 7:26:38. 00:24:33 ok 00:24:35 yeah that's nothing 00:24:40 !lg * zot ktyp=burning 00:24:41 9. hitbutton the Grand Master (L26 DsTm of Cheibriados), incinerated by a mottled draconian monk (splash of liquid fire) on Zot:1 on 2015-01-01 01:29:06, with 587594 points after 63329 turns and 6:17:09. 00:24:53 good old chei 00:24:53 heh, monk 00:25:07 <|amethyst> I don't have a problem with retheming it to not be fire, if we retheme or eliminate player sticky flame 00:25:40 careful, remove too many fire spells and you might make inner flame actually useful 00:25:42 <|amethyst> either of which would require some FE adjustments 00:25:49 |amethyst: why do you want to do those things 00:26:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because I don't really want to add a new effect that's very similar to an existing one 00:26:31 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:32 well, the good news is that you'd also be removing an effect. 00:27:15 ugh, except that you can't prevent the player from sticky flaming themself, since ranged sticky flame & reflection exist. 00:27:36 themself? themselves? being gender neutral is hard. 00:27:46 <|amethyst> I prefer "themselves" 00:27:48 isn't ranged sticky only from mottled drac breath? 00:27:56 or is that also in makhleb stuff 00:28:03 probably a card too 00:28:13 I don't think it's currently in a card 00:28:14 and mottled drac breath isn't ranged for players 00:28:18 right, yeah 00:28:21 but makhleb, yes 00:28:33 that's really not a problem I think 00:28:37 I forgot player mottled drac breath isn't ranged 00:28:42 that was the main one I was thinking of 00:28:45 hm 00:28:53 !lg . dr s=race 00:28:54 17 games for PleasingFungus (dr): 9x Draconian, 4x Yellow Draconian, 2x Purple Draconian, 2x Red Draconian 00:29:03 yellow 00:29:14 -!- Nivim has left ##crawl-dev 00:29:28 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:33 !lg . dr turns>0 / won 00:29:33 1/4 games for gammafunk (dr turns>0): N=1/4 (25.00%) 00:29:40 forget why I did those others 00:29:47 !lg * turns=0 00:29:48 181470. Smugia the Ruffian (L1 CeMo), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_pond) on 2015-02-06 03:52:01, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:19. 00:29:54 after 100% dr winrate I ruined it 00:30:05 ruined.... 00:33:41 anyway, ty for chatting. I believe that we will have a good solution to monster sticky flame by 0.22 at the latest 00:33:48 eagerly yours 00:33:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 00:43:03 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:20 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:40 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:43 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:59 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus re SF scaling, keeping track of which monster might not be such an issue since I imagine there aren't many places where you'd be facing different sources of sticky flame (I guess dracos + smoke demons in Abyss?) 00:46:59 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:48:54 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus I do think scaling in some way is the way to go, if the effect needs to be both relevant in Zot and reasonable for pre-lair 00:48:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:49:11 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:49:43 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus (and that seems independent of whether it respects rF)... 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Impossible with just 1. Four enhancers don't give an effect better than three. 11:35:50 <|amethyst> !learn e 200_power[1] s/three./three, but three enhancers plus Wild Magic do./ 11:35:50 200 power[1/1]: With all skills at 27, you need 3 enhancers and 33 INT, or 2 enhancers and 50 INT. Impossible with just 1. Four enhancers don't give an effect better than three, but three enhancers plus Wild Magic do. 11:36:22 <|amethyst> !learn e 200_power[1] s/Magic do/Magic or Augmentation do./ 11:36:23 200 power[1/1]: With all skills at 27, you need 3 enhancers and 33 INT, or 2 enhancers and 50 INT. Impossible with just 1. Four enhancers don't give an effect better than three, but three enhancers plus Wild Magic or Augmentation do.. 11:36:39 <|amethyst> !learn e 200_power[1] s/.$// 11:36:39 200 power[1/1]: With all skills at 27, you need 3 enhancers and 33 INT, or 2 enhancers and 50 INT. Impossible with just 1. 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Gramm the Conqueror (L26 OgAK of Lugonu), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Zot:2 (hangedman_orp_of_zott) on 2015-02-04 20:09:09, with 546651 points after 86337 turns and 3:29:10. 13:00:53 only theTower could manage to make an op crusher death in Zot 13:01:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:03 .crushed -tv 13:01:04 115. Gramm, XL26 OgAK, T:86337 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:02:47 !vault hangedman_orp_of_zott 13:02:48 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des;hb=HEAD#l2333 13:04:04 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 13:06:36 -!- Alarkh_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:07 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:14:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:54 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:18 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 13:17:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:17:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:19:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:50 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:14 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:38 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22:06 ??27[14 13:22:07 27[14/27]: Base damage increase of the {dark maul} over a great mace. 13:22:22 !learn set 27[14] Releases of version 4 of Linley's Dungeon Crawl. 13:22:23 27[14/27]: Releases of version 4 of Linley's Dungeon Crawl. 13:24:28 <|amethyst> chequers: re no-javascript, two things I noticed 13:24:45 <|amethyst> chequers: the front page is mostly good, but that "loading..." box is visible even though it will never be filled 13:25:00 oh gosh, there's a roguelike radio of an interview with dpeg 13:25:02 * wheals must hear this 13:25:06 <|amethyst> wheals: a new one? 13:25:15 no, a 3 year old one :P 13:25:27 <|amethyst> wheals: there was another one later with dpeg and rax 13:25:38 <|amethyst> too 13:25:42 interesting 13:25:47 <|amethyst> err 13:25:53 <|amethyst> with many other people too 13:25:59 <|amethyst> but they were the representatives of DCSS 13:26:01 * wheals is listening to all of them in order, i had no idea the guy i've been confused with is also a roguelike dev :P 13:26:05 <|amethyst> (it was about online play) 13:26:06 !seen whales 13:26:06 I last saw Whales at Sat Jul 12 05:54:26 2014 UTC (29w 6d 13h 31m 40s ago) parting ##crawl, saying 'chanpart'. 13:26:14 well, assuming it's the same whales 13:26:20 <|amethyst> same whales as? 13:26:31 the cataclysm:dda dev 13:26:34 <|amethyst> ah 13:26:54 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:10 <|amethyst> chequers: what about making that box hidden in the CSS, then unhiding it first thing in the javascript? 13:27:33 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:35 <|amethyst> chequers: second, it's fine if the "play online" stuff doesn't work great without JS, since you need JS to play webtiles anyway 13:28:13 <|amethyst> chequers: but, it would be nice if there were a fallback server list on the page itself, rather than being loaded from json 13:28:42 oh yeah that radio thing was super fun 13:28:46 it was really interesting 13:31:12 <|amethyst> chequers: and perhaps there should be another page with info about console play (usernames and keys for example, our putty guide, and more importantly, list CDO somewhere! :) 13:32:06 <|amethyst> chequers: I guess that could just be a link to the existing http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 13:33:07 chequer: not too fond of the colour scheme on https://crawl.project357.org/static/dcss-web/about.htm :P 13:33:14 er, chequers : ^ 13:34:53 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, I didn't even notice there was stuff other than the default (purple here)-on-black link at the top 13:35:16 <|amethyst> wheals: until you said that and I pressed ctrl A 13:35:32 it's a compromise between white-on-black and black-on-white, i guess :P 13:37:18 <|amethyst> wheals: http://images.tate.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/grid-normal-8-cols/public/images/rodchenko_05.jpg?itok=KHXTKcGu 13:37:33 <|amethyst> err, I guess maybe remove that ?itok=... 13:38:29 <|amethyst> (Aleksandr Rodchenko, _Black on Black_) 13:41:17 <|amethyst> Which was the inspiration for a 1980 album by noted avant-garde art-rock group AC/DC 13:43:25 -!- cykeltillsalu has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:29 hm, any idea where the FAQ is? i know it's semi-generated... 13:43:58 ah, in dat/database 13:45:33 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:34 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:22 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:03 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:13 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56:09 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56:36 wheals: oops 13:57:30 |amethyst: i could hide the loading box, but do you think it's a good signal that there is javascript on the page? 13:58:15 <|amethyst> chequers: it signals that, yes, but it's ugly and hides part of the screenshot 13:59:06 well, i'm working on replacing the carousel with static tiles, because the carousel was a Bad Idea, so I'll see what I can do 13:59:11 <|amethyst> chequers: You can have a