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WeeChat 1.0.1] 02:09:37 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:59 approve my mailing list message nerds 02:21:32 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3770-gc215ce9 (34) 02:41:09 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:50:00 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:33 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:17 !tell Lasty x - the +1 robe "Neastogo" {+Blink +Fly rF- rN+ Regen+ rCorr MP-9 Int-2} this is the kind of crap I was talking about 02:55:17 minmay: OK, I'll let lasty know. 02:58:17 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:33 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:13 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:00:35 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:17:13 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:21:18 -!- rauk2000 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:36:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:36:45 -!- ldierk has joined 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I just made a joke about Current Hysterical Topic 09:27:39 last one was Regen on amulets :) 09:28:29 hiya dpeg 09:29:01 the regen thing was just absurd 09:30:17 bh: Hi there! 09:30:46 PleasingFungus: new one isn't much better. Especially since you explicitly call for ideas for stacked evokers in the commit message!? 09:31:16 that's part of the problem! 09:31:23 Everyone Has Opinions on what stacked evokers should do. 09:32:12 faster charge time! more power! just give up on the xp evocable thing and make them one-shots! hell, just give up on evocables entirely! or maybe give a global timer across all types of xp-evocables, rather than per-type! 09:34:02 PleasingFungus: but that's not even what they discuss in the thread (at least the loudspeaker isn't) 09:35:38 I guess I'm kind of conflating all the people talking to me about it - on SA, in IRC, on GDD 09:37:35 ah, I only see GDD 09:38:05 don't worry too much about it: something had to be done, you did it... their outcry is proof that it works 09:38:05 ah, I only looked at the first post of that thread 09:38:07 ran out of energy 09:38:15 ya players were never gonna be happy about this 09:38:25 not out job to make players happy! 09:38:33 kinda so 09:38:33 *our 09:39:04 PleasingFungus: there are some very sensible arguments later in the GDD threa 09:39:07 d 09:40:07 well i'm pretty sure nobody would be happy about an implementation like this 09:40:24 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:40:29 I am 09:40:53 since marvinpa was the one who encouraged me to push this in instead of waiting for a stackable solution 09:41:01 and there was a general feeling among the devs in the channel that this was liveable 09:41:02 PleasingFungus: yes, Marvin is right 09:41:07 and better than the stackable status quo 09:41:18 because that's the best to get new ideas on the matter 09:41:41 certainly is 09:41:57 Another one: what if every evoker-use has a small, fixed chance to break the thing? Kind of like a semi-consumable. 09:42:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:42:12 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 09:42:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:50 gammafunk: good timing, I was just about to tell you . . . 09:43:02 and into banned user damiac for reason "upon request" 09:43:09 haha 09:43:26 rip 09:43:51 Lasty: didn't we have this before? Talk about crazy, spineless posters :) 09:44:16 dpeg: heh, yeah 09:44:28 the forum will have a lot less pointless drama going forward. 09:48:35 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:49:58 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:01 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 09:51:13 !lg 09:51:13 2565. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), slain by a merfolk impaler (a +1 trident of pain) (kmap: shoal_ilsuiw) on Shoals:5 on 2015-01-24 15:40:51, with 17984 points after 8823 turns and 1:19:58. 09:51:20 this was not truly fair 09:51:27 where are my mmap scrolls, devs? 09:52:00 I turned them into randarts with -4 int rC- 09:52:04 nooooo 09:52:29 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:15 when fighting lom lobon, his blizzard can put you over deep water outside his lair even if you can't swim or fly. is that intended? 09:53:31 yes, unless it pulled you through a wall. 09:53:41 it did 09:53:46 rip 09:53:50 that's an old known bug 09:54:06 ??cxc 09:54:06 cXc[1/2]: Server in France: CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM -- ssh port 22, username crawl, uses CAO key (available at http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/keys/). Webtiles address: http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 09:54:15 Oops. Wrong window. 09:54:16 ok, so it's known, good 09:55:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3771-ga50d674: Unstack XP evokers 10(53 seconds ago, 4 files, 8+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a50d67440e31 09:56:47 So we're back to balance by interface irritation, or is there still a global timer? 09:56:53 The latter. 09:56:56 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:02 whew 09:58:31 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59:04 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:59:27 MPA always wins in the end... 09:59:36 PleasingFungus: a really old idea of mine for miscellaneous items (forgotten and scrapped, certainly rightly so) was to give them a permanent use --like they have and always haved-- and a one-off use. Could the latter help with new evokers? 09:59:51 gammafunk: is the P or the A that makes him win? 10:00:14 dpeg: hard to say, but none of my letters are winners, apparently 10:00:45 * dpeg suggests renaming to deltafunk or gammafuck :) 10:00:50 at least PleasingFungus will get to enjoy delicious player hatred 10:00:55 true! 10:01:06 We all know this energises fungi. 10:01:06 dpeg: twelwe sometimes says things like "good luck, gammafuck" when he spectates me 10:01:24 oh my :) 10:01:28 Last time he spectated me, he said "are you playing optimally?" 10:01:33 haha, same 10:01:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:02:24 dpeg: you mentioned that before; I'm not inherently averse to the idea but there's serious UI problems (you'd probably need to give a prompt to keep people from accidentally destroying their last evoker of a type, and prompts are annoying) 10:02:40 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:03 I'm also concerned about people ending up with the same huge burst evocable potential as before, just not quite as repeatably 10:03:42 PleasingFungus: it is far from ideal... what I had in mind back then was V for continuous use (like now) and an ability for one-off use. But it wouldn't work anyway: people would use up all their evokers but the last one. And we'd have to come up with additional, one-off ideas. So scrap that again. 10:03:59 my vague personal feeling is that rescaling evoker power to work on both quantity ("plus") and evocations might be reasonable, but idk 10:04:08 would require some real thought to get the weighting right 10:04:30 anyway, gotta go; talk more later 10:04:34 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:04:40 PleasingFungus: what about this: you can merge two evokers into a single, slightly stronger one, at the cost of one ?recharging? 10:04:45 hark! 10:05:21 I like that idea 10:06:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:41 just an attempt to inject ideas into the mess... 10:06:48 !tell PleasingFungus What about this: you can merge two evokers into a single, slightly stronger one, at the cost of one ?recharging? 10:06:49 dpeg: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:07:16 I'd like there to be some use to 2x evokers, since we spawn a ton of them 10:07:20 Lasty: one more of my attempts to give more consumables more uses (such as ?id on wands). 10:07:42 dpeg: the system that crate was outlining did sound interesting to me 10:07:52 I saw that you had read that post as well 10:08:01 wrt the id game 10:08:09 but like he says, it would create some interface issues 10:08:25 agreed 10:08:33 once I understood what he actually meant 10:09:04 gammafunk: yes, I liked how things became very constructive... I will reply, it just needs some time. 10:09:05 yeah, he said it'd be like decks at first, but it's not precisely like that 10:09:07 The interface issues are addressable -- worst case scenario you create one new item, in which case putting it on the floor isn't terrible 10:09:16 Lasty: right, this is what I was thinking 10:09:28 the "theme" of that is a bit weird, but it's not a big deal 10:09:33 no 10:09:37 yeah 10:09:43 maybe? 10:10:19 gammafunk: from an alchemical point of view, it'd even make sense, I guess. 10:10:23 heh 10:10:29 nethack alchemy?! 10:10:44 tbf, as silly as that was, I had fun with it for a while (alchemy in nethack) 10:11:05 obviously has no place whatsoever in any direct form in crawl, of course 10:12:26 We absolutely can't do alchemy in crawl. 10:12:26 It'd overlap with my cooking branch. 10:12:38 God I hope it has tinning! 10:12:50 just combine them into a chemistry branch 10:12:54 or SCIENCE branch 10:12:56 yes, and greased hands! Greased everything, really. 10:14:22 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:59 gammafunk: no, from an "potion effects are not fully deterministic" point of view 10:15:28 ah 10:15:49 quote for potions can have some detail about entropy 10:19:55 yes, that's flavour... trivial and cheap as always 10:20:36 I'm still a fan of the single-use evokers, but I understand that feels like scrolls. so then I wonder why mirrors aren't scrolls yet ;p 10:20:44 I am not sure I agree that the current id-model (identification becomes less relevant as game goes on) is bad... but crate-style (some tactical items reward identification throughout) sounds good. 10:21:01 johnstein: they use Evocation!? 10:21:17 yea. that was the main differentiator it seemed 10:21:36 johnstein: single use has one, big disadvantage: players cannot experiment. You already see this with rare potions and scrolls. 10:23:11 apart from that, I am all for single/limited use, because: decisions. 10:23:11 the loss of item destruction really helped that. I've definitely used the rarer scrolls more now since I almost always have duplicate ones eventually. 10:23:18 true 10:24:00 yea. stackable is great since you streamline the inv. single use is nice since you avoid the overpowered situation where you have a ton of evokables that PF has been trying to address 10:24:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:24:46 but you don't avoid the burst of spamming evokables that I think he was also trying to address. 10:25:02 but maybe the items being destroyed are payment enough 10:25:14 but I think that boat has sailed ;p 10:28:56 I think the space of "item you can only use every once in a while" is a very good space 10:28:59 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:26 We haven't tweaked the recharge algorithm in a while, but right now it makes recharging post-midgame trivial 10:29:29 it doesn't have to 10:30:21 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:30:26 Lasty: I agree... limited use from recharging is definitely interesting. (Of course, Brogue gets away with recharging over time, those lucky bastards :) 10:31:11 haha 10:33:12 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:50 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:05 well early recharging is far from trivial 10:39:29 especially now that wands effectively have less charges 10:40:33 <|amethyst> kvaak: XP evoker recharge in particular caps around level 12 or 13 10:40:33 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:40:47 <|amethyst> kvaak: (and floors around 5 or 6) 10:41:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:27 oh derp, at some point the discussion changed from ?recharging to evoker recharging 10:41:30 never mind 10:42:19 <|amethyst> Yermak apparently got hit by the lld sniper 10:42:28 <|amethyst> ??dplusplus 10:42:28 I don't have a page labeled dplusplus in my learndb. 10:42:33 <|amethyst> ??lld 10:42:34 lld[1/2]: http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/ . 10:45:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:45:26 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 10:45:37 !streak Yermak 10:45:39 Yermak has 5 consecutive wins (HOAE, GhNe, GhCj, DgFi, CeWn). 10:45:55 <|amethyst> I guess not streakbroken yet, but: 10:46:00 <|amethyst> Yermak said (7h 21m ago): I found that some guy had created 'Yermak' account on lld server (which I even hasn't heard f before). The only game there is HuFi exited on 1st turn. Is there any way to delete it? 10:47:06 <|amethyst> !lg yermak lld 10:47:06 1. Yermak the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (sevenhm_arrival_forest_fort_large_1) on 2014-12-03 19:31:20, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:03. 10:47:18 maybe he just hated that arrival vault... 10:47:19 <|amethyst> !streak yermak !lld 10:47:21 Yermak has 5 consecutive wins (HOAE, GhNe, GhCj, DgFi, CeWn). 10:47:25 -!- simmarine is now known as simmarine_ 10:47:32 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 10:47:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:00 ??lld 10:48:01 lld[1/2]: http://lazy-life.ddo.jp:8080/#lobby - Admin is https://twitter.com/dplusplus/ . 10:48:54 * Lasty registers on lld 10:49:16 it was only a matter of time when that'd happen :( 10:49:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:32 well we had talked about moving to a centralized user db 10:49:35 <|amethyst> we've been discussing plans for centralised accounts 10:49:39 <|amethyst> but it will take some work 10:49:44 yes, I dimly recall 10:49:50 <|amethyst> and probably some hard decisions 10:50:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:58 I'm sure the crawl community will take it all in stride 11:00:04 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:15 &dump lasty 11:02:16 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/Lasty.txt 11:03:14 man, I swear 11:03:19 I fall through a shaft every game now 11:03:24 because of PleasingFungus.... 11:03:31 gammafunk is shaftman! 11:03:38 getting shafted over hear 11:03:40 *here 11:04:21 <|amethyst> I hear that shaft's one bad mother... 11:06:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:58 not a fan of evoker alchemy; all the balance problems of increased-power stackable evokers, with the additional unintuitive UI complexity of a new weird ?recharge use, and no actual advantages that i can think of 11:10:30 ok! 11:10:53 (well, the advantage would be that several of the same type would have some potential meaning) 11:11:00 no I mean 11:11:16 one of the floated suggestions is "make multiple evokers stack to become a stronger evoker" 11:11:21 ah, I see 11:11:58 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:12:24 another reason for not making them unrandarts: monsters use them against players! 11:13:38 ? 11:14:36 even if you have a phial, *if* monsters could use evokers against you, that'd justify generating more than one 11:15:01 yeah, unrandification is not happening 11:15:05 <|amethyst> sadly monsters probably would end up helping you more than hurting you 11:15:05 good! 11:15:12 <|amethyst> unless they're lone 11:15:18 no more than "ring of rPois" is going to become an unrand 11:15:20 I am trying to provide more reasons for why they shouldn't be 11:15:38 |amethyst: I can imagine. Perhaps we can be clever with uniques/vaults/Zig levels? 11:15:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:56 I don't think monsters using elemental evocables is a great idea 11:16:03 I know we talked about it a while back 11:16:17 too much friendly fire, I guess 11:17:52 also concerns about them being extremely strong early on, iirc 11:17:55 in enemies' hands 11:18:20 pity that, they would look great on a minotaur :) 11:18:25 heh 11:18:51 <|amethyst> FR: monster minotaurs have higher than normal evo 11:22:22 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3771-ga50d674 (34) 11:29:01 -!- maldini has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:32:13 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:32:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:04 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:38 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:39 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:59 !learn set gammafunk[3] CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom HuSu^Jiyva MiBe^(Trog->TSO->Zin;15-rune) DEAs^Kiku HOFE^Beogh 11:58:59 gammafunk[3/12]: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom HuSu^Jiyva MiBe^(Trog->TSO->Zin;15-rune) DEAs^Kiku HOFE^Beogh 11:59:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:00:24 !greatrace human Lasty 12:00:26 Lasty is a greaterhuman! 12:00:55 I was really hoping that would say "Lasty is a great human!" 12:01:40 why would you want to be a great human over a greater human 12:02:18 because it would sound like Sequell is calling me a good person :p 12:02:57 -!- evablue142 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:05:17 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:16 ??cmd[next 12:09:16 I don't have a page labeled cmd[next in my learndb. 12:10:14 !next-pref 12:10:15 New !next preferences for Lasty: . 12:11:08 !next-pref (op|ds|dg) !he !ck 12:11:09 New !next preferences for Lasty: (op|ds|dg) !he !ck. 12:11:12 !next 12:11:14 Subcommand $(!lg * playable (op|ds|dg) !he !ck s=char / won @Lasty fmt:"${.}" join:" " ?:N=0) failed: he is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use he-- (High Elf) or --he (Healer) to disambiguate in $(split $(!lg * playable $... in $(nth $(rand $(length ${xs})... in $(randnth $(split $(!lg * ... in $(rand_unwon ${p} $(try $(en... in $(ldb-set! ~${p}_next 1 $(ra... in $(do $(ldb-set! ~${p}_nex... 12:11:34 !next-pref (op|ds|dg) !--he !ck 12:11:35 New !next preferences for Lasty: (op|ds|dg) !--he !ck. 12:11:37 !next 12:11:43 The RNG decrees that Lasty shall win OpFi next. 12:12:38 Lasty: You simply *must* go Dith! 12:14:03 I'm an octopode, so I will wear 8 rings of wizardry 12:14:09 That's called being a hybrid 12:14:46 mm 12:15:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:17:32 huh, bands have an arbitrary limit of 20 monsters 12:17:34 arrays 12:18:20 so much for your 25 caustic shrikes plan! 12:18:26 alas 12:18:43 if (mon->mindex() >= MAX_MONSTERS - 30) 12:18:45 I wonder what that's about 12:19:22 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:21:19 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess so, when there isn't much room left for monsters, you don't get the few remaining slots taken by a single band 12:21:54 sure, but band size is capped at 20, not 30 12:21:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but that doesn't account for menv recycling 12:22:06 <|amethyst> s/the few/half of the few/ 12:22:58 (1) does order in mgen_enum.h band_type matter? (2) I spotted a BAND_PAN in there, should that be conditional? 12:23:58 <|amethyst> I don't think band type is saved anywhere 12:24:04 <|amethyst> so it can probably just be removed 12:24:33 yeah we've been adding band types at random 12:24:37 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:24:52 * geekosaur still experimenting with his new pet... 12:25:25 <|amethyst> 0.16-a0-3772-gd1ed1ed1e Remove Pan (27/42) 12:25:42 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:15 the cheevo will be mine.... 12:26:26 actually it won't be, I'm doing something else 12:28:02 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3772-g72c9ff0: Set blame correctly for shadow trap followers 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72c9ff054fab 12:28:13 "Gell's Gravitas: what...how?" good thread 12:28:17 ya 12:28:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:26 (it actually is a good thread! but that is my gell's gravitas opinion too) 12:28:47 Nixon (L19 DEFE) ASSERT(in_diamond_int(r->start)) in 'ray.cc' at line 166 failed. (Elf:3) 12:29:07 I also liked https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14911 , which seems to have mysteriously migrated out of GDD 12:29:19 who could have done such a thing 12:29:44 i bet it was gammafunk abusing his mod powers even more! 12:30:24 fucked up 12:30:26 rip damiac 2015 12:31:24 also i started doing a bit of ely stuff, prompted by and into/crate 12:31:29 ! 12:31:39 does that mean I should actually read that thread 12:31:57 you could! it has some good posts 12:32:21 that doesn't really sound like gdd.... 12:32:41 I will read it, but if you have misled me, I will wreak a terrible vengeance! 12:32:42 it starts off with a good few completely unhelpful and useless posts if that helps 12:32:46 haha 12:32:48 that's better 12:32:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:15 from the same person posting 3 times in a row it seems 12:33:19 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:20 it's tavern, you needed to be told that? 12:33:48 "Edit: I did just find an occasion to fire it, though im still not sure it was optimal. A shadow trap spawned a Brimstone Fiend which I was immensely displeased with" 12:33:55 Grunt/PleasingFungus synergy.... 12:34:02 MarvinPA: what's your ely plan? I'm excited by the possibility of something better 12:34:02 but anyway yeah my tentative plans were fairly conservative, i was thinking just moving to exploration piety only and upping the piety costs on the pacification abilities 12:34:15 gammafunk: the dream team! 12:34:31 PleasingFungus: I hope you can get sgrunt to play in the next tourney 12:34:40 MarvinPA: sounds like a big step in the right direction 12:34:43 i like the idea of only having one pacification and one self-healing ability though, lesser self-healing could easily go i think 12:34:47 MarvinPA: interesting. exploration piety on ely seems like it'd be a big change. not a bad change, but very different 12:34:50 agreed 12:34:57 w/ one ability for reach 12:34:58 *each 12:35:12 hm, still a little weak although hard to tell since I'm now well beyond where it first spawns. (does seem to roughly match worker ants now though...) 12:35:18 gammafunk: idk how much I'm going to be playing in this tournament 12:35:20 cutting lesser pacification is trickier because it probably means no pacifaction until 3* (and so no healer background) 12:35:34 which would maybe be fine but probably needs more discussion 12:35:52 MarvinPA: and into's suggestion seems to be cutting greater pacification instead (or merging it into lesser) 12:35:56 I haven't read the whole thread yet 12:36:09 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:21 gammafunk: been half-heartedly thinking of retiring after this release. I doubt I'll follow through with it but the last couple weeks have been very wearing on me, and I kinda miss working on my own games 12:36:26 idk 12:36:42 i guess functionally it would be greater that stays, and with a higher piety cost it could be available from 2* maybe 12:36:49 since you wouldn't actually be using it on junk for piety 12:37:28 PleasingFungus: well you've certainly earned any kind of break you need, but yeah it is harder to pull away than one might think :) 12:38:52 MarvinPA: "These proposals will destroy the unique feeling and playing style for a follower of Elyvilon in favour of yet another god with abilities focused on game mechanics." 12:39:55 MarvinPA: no healer background is alright, but access to early pacification seems still good to have. 12:40:13 PleasingFungus: huh? what? :( 12:40:15 hmm, maybe: 1* purification/divine protection, 2* pacification (as current greater heal), 3* greater self-heal, 5* divine vigour 12:40:17 dpeg: funny post 12:40:19 made me laugh 12:40:29 PleasingFungus: which one? 12:40:32 too many gods with abilities focused on *game mechanics*...! 12:40:41 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=203909#p203909 12:40:47 anyway i'll work on it locally a bit and see what happens 12:40:49 ah, I guess new in the Ely thread... didn't get to read it 12:40:53 MarvinPA: cool! 12:41:00 that's the best part of the post, the rest is kinda boring 12:41:54 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:43:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3773-gc03e0bf: Don't allow pacification by zapping heal wounds at monsters 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 74+ 72-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c03e0bfee0f9 12:43:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3774-gf1131aa: Make Dispersal and Gell's Gravitas confusion last at least 1 turn 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1131aa20b72 12:43:45 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:43 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:08 RIP healer 12:48:06 Lightli: ... 12:48:17 also, huh, I honestly forgot the blowgun of the assassin was (back) in the game 12:48:28 It is an ely nerf :v 12:48:36 not exactly a huge one 12:48:37 that's fine 12:49:01 no one ever thought Ely was a -bad- god 12:49:10 they thought Ely was a -boring- god 12:49:11 :v 12:49:34 unfun,yes 12:49:39 huh, if I push this, it may become the longest commit message in crawl 12:50:43 longer than hangedman essays??? 12:50:47 that is a challenge to tarotdeck, you know 12:50:54 terrifying 12:50:56 hi MarvinPA... 12:51:25 PleasingFungus: Longer than the theTower essays 12:51:33 I don't think I've ever seen a hangedman essay this long 12:51:55 <|amethyst> Haven't checked for the longest, but DracoOmega is probably up there too 12:53:04 |amethyst: imo churn the stats for it and pass them along 12:53:06 :) 12:53:16 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:32 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3775-g122ca20: Add and tweak some unrand weapon INSCRIPs 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=122ca209c98d 12:53:47 that was not the commit 12:53:49 to be clear 12:54:18 was going to say... 12:55:01 !learn edit wand_of_heal_wounds[1] s/$/ As of 0.16, cannot be used to pacify. 12:55:02 wand of heal wounds[1/1]: Same effect as a potion of heal wounds, now in a handy-dandy wand! Its healing is not based at all on evocation skill (but Ely pacification with it is, for some reason). Deep Dwarves start with one that has five charges. It's cool! As of 0.16, cannot be used to pacify. 12:55:46 what does blowgun of the assassin even do 12:55:53 something about blowgun stabbing 12:56:21 also maybe botono should be put out of its misery 12:56:37 how will we enhance our hexes?! 12:57:06 ya I was just thinking that 12:57:10 I'm not really sure why it exists 12:57:11 I mean 12:57:16 at least it's not the spear of voo-doo 12:57:25 gammafunk: maijin-bo! 12:57:27 that's maji-bo... 12:57:41 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:52 not sure how that extra i got in there 12:57:57 (not that i knew how to spell it anyway) 12:58:05 I basically toss a coin every time I type it out 12:58:12 and I'm responsible for that name 12:58:33 Oh, is that supposed to be "magic staff" in japanese? 12:58:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3776-g1a50928: Remove Wp: and Qv: from weapon and quiver lines in HUD 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a509286127c 12:58:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3777-g4727367: Recolor weapon/quiver item slot to HUD_CAPTION_COLOUR 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4727367f50f4 12:58:48 those aren't the commits either 12:58:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:17 pretty sure it's just about "demon staff" 12:59:17 i was playing trunk, for some reason 12:59:18 Lasty: it's something like "devil staff" 12:59:19 C - the +2 pair of gloves of the Country {rPois- Int+11} 12:59:27 hi 12:59:27 is this really the kind of item that is being generated now? 12:59:29 yes 12:59:31 +11 INT, geez 12:59:52 minmay can talk your ear off about it, if you'd like 12:59:54 it seems good. if you want int and can handle the -rpois 12:59:54 not the country of U.S.A., that's for sure 12:59:57 rast: no better than, say, +5 int +4 dex +5 slay 13:00:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:19 oh yeah. lasty, did you want to change 2 + random2(3) stats per prop back down to 2 + random2(2) 13:00:26 unless you're a fire elementalist or whatever 13:00:29 you and mpa were talking aout that 13:00:46 rast: if you were in a slightly older version it would have had more properties instead of int+11, likely being about as good 13:00:47 PleasingFungus: I'm fine w/ keeping it high, but I'd be surprised if MPA doesn't want it lower 13:00:53 i kinda want to do 1-3 but still with a minimum of +2 13:01:00 but that means doing something hacky, probably 13:01:03 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:05 ya 13:01:08 MarvinPA: I've been thinking about it 13:01:09 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:01:09 2 + one_chance_in(3)? 13:01:15 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:23 or do you mean 1-3 for each one and then cap at 2 at the end 13:01:23 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:01:31 -!- SkaryMonk1 has left ##crawl-dev 13:01:31 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:41 MarvinPA: I think the cleanest way would involve passing current value into the function that adds more value 13:01:41 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:44 elliptic: floor at 2 at the end 13:01:56 i mean +1-3 stat for each pass but yeah, that 13:02:02 so you can do value = max(2, value+1-3) 13:02:12 PleasingFungus: that would work too 13:02:15 Lasty: that's not exactly the same 13:02:25 -!- SkaryMonk has left ##crawl-dev 13:02:32 minmay: that's if anything a slight underestimate of how good it would have been in the old system (it would have had 1-2 more good props than your hypothetical) 13:02:32 since it means the first one is 2+one_chance_in(3) 13:02:41 elliptic: I was replying to MPA 13:02:56 Lasty: right, I'm saying that's not the same as flooring at 2 at the end 13:03:09 PleasingFungus: my hypothetical wasn't intended to be an example of something that would have generated instead, rather something that could have generated before the randart changes 13:03:15 -!- SkaryMonk1 has left ##crawl-dev 13:03:26 elliptic: sure it is, assuming +1-3 is the range we're looking for 13:03:27 ah, yeah 13:03:30 Lasty: no it isn't 13:03:35 either way, enjoy having won the lottery 13:03:35 Lasty: consider if you are adding 2 13:03:49 harder to reason about the old old system (I was referring to the system before the very most recent change, the one that introduced double-digit stats) 13:03:54 rast: keep in mind that the most important effects of stats have massive stepdowns 13:04:02 Lasty: if you floored at the end, it would be possible to end up with 2 13:04:09 Lasty: if you floor at each step, the min you can get is 3 13:04:15 because you got 2 from the first addition 13:04:26 minmay even spell failure rate? 13:04:28 Lasty: s/adding 2/adding 2 times/ 13:04:29 elliptic: Oh, I see what you're saying 13:04:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:04:37 Lasty: not a big deal ofc, just an observation :) 13:04:46 elliptic: I see that as a good thing -- using 2x good props to get +2 is pretty sa 13:04:46 d 13:04:48 rast: not spell failure rate, but that effect of int is not really huge 13:04:53 Lasty: yeah, maybe 13:04:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:05:20 the way i was initially thinking of implementing it was doing 2-4 on the first pass and 1-3 on subsequent passes 13:05:40 MarvinPA: could set it to a base value of 1, then add +1-3 every time 13:05:45 that wouldn't require too many exceptions 13:06:18 <|amethyst> %git 456c88a32cd 13:06:18 07neunon02 * 0.6.0-a1-1721-g456c88a: store.{cc,h}: remove pointless special case for MSVC 10(5 years ago, 2 files, 2+ 91-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=456c88a32cdf 13:06:18 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 13:06:33 <|amethyst> 7879 bytes by my script's count 13:08:18 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:09:47 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:10:49 what if it just added 2 every time or 3 every time? randarts don't generate with 1.5 pips of a resistance 13:11:05 <|amethyst> number two is 13:11:09 <|amethyst> %git caa8d4f 13:11:09 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-1619-gcaa8d4f: Re-arrange and upgrade bland miscasts effects. 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 323+ 62-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=caa8d4fddc53 13:11:12 <|amethyst> then %git 29850c7 13:11:21 <|amethyst> %git 29850c7 13:11:21 07greensnark02 * 0.6.0-a1-2636-g29850c7: AC/EV changes as outlined on CDO wiki. 10(5 years ago, 8 files, 261+ 406-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29850c7c4740 13:11:27 <|amethyst> %git 3678 13:11:27 Could not find commit 3678 (git returned 128) 13:11:35 <|amethyst> %git 7e0fff0 13:11:35 07due02 * 0.6.0-a1-1922-g7e0fff0: Continuation of the range combat overhaul: branding spells. 10(5 years ago, 14 files, 128+ 378-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e0fff01081a 13:11:40 <|amethyst> %git b69413d 13:11:41 07DracoOmega02 {Grunt} * 0.14-a0-3039-gb69413d: Overhaul Summon Dragon for players 10(11 months ago, 12 files, 181+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69413d9fdc3 13:11:54 <|amethyst> top five commits by commit message length 13:12:56 not sure an objdump diff paste should really count 13:13:02 ah, looks like this one is only 4240 bytes 13:13:05 sad 13:13:42 hangedman's miscast message is 5443, by my count 13:14:47 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:15:07 well, no shame to losing to the tarot master in a verbosity contest 13:15:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was counting the subject too 13:15:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so got 5490 13:15:51 v0v 13:16:17 <|amethyst> !learn add long_commit_messages git log --pretty=$'>>>>%an %h\n%s\n%b' | perl -ne 'BEGIN { $b = "" }; if(/>>>>(.*) ([^ ]+)\n$/) { if (defined $h) { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ] }; ($a,$h) = ($1,$2); $b = ""; } else { $b .= $_ } END { print map { join(" ", @$_) . "\n" } sort { $b->[0] <=> $a->[0] } @all }' | head -n 20 13:16:17 long commit messages[1/1]: git log --pretty=$'>>>>%an %h\n%s\n%b' | perl -ne 'BEGIN { $b = "" }; if(/>>>>(.*) ([^ ]+)\n$/) { if (defined $h) { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ] }; ($a,$h) = ($1,$2); $b = ""; } else { $b .= $_ } END { print map { join(" ", @$_) . "\n" } sort { $b->[0] <=> $a->[0] } @all }' | head -n 20 13:16:28 <|amethyst> oh 13:16:35 <|amethyst> needs to get the last message 13:17:43 <|amethyst> !learn s long_commit_messages[1] git log --pretty=$'>>>>%an %h\n%s\n%b' | perl -ne 'BEGIN { $b = "" }; if(/>>>>(.*) ([^ ]+)\n$/) { if (defined $h) { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ] }; ($a,$h) = ($1,$2); $b = ""; } else { $b .= $_ } END { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ]; print map { join(" ", @$_) . "\n" } sort { $b->[0] <=> $a->[0] } @all }' | head -n 20 13:17:43 long commit messages[1/1]: git log --pretty=$'>>>>%an %h\n%s\n%b' | perl -ne 'BEGIN { $b = "" }; if(/>>>>(.*) ([^ ]+)\n$/) { if (defined $h) { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ] }; ($a,$h) = ($1,$2); $b = ""; } else { $b .= $_ } END { push @all, [ length($b), $h, $a ]; print map { join(" ", @$_) . "\n" } sort { $b->[0] <=> $a->[0] } @all }' | head -n 20 13:18:39 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:08 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:19:38 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:39 -!- neunon has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:49 -!- Werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:20:51 -!- Zrachosh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:09 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:04 hi neunon 13:28:11 hello 13:29:32 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:03 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:02 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:01 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:10 -!- fearitself_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:19 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:55 wow, neunon! :) 13:47:00 bh: heya 13:47:57 hmm does anyone have a better idea for a replacement to "a long way away" than just "very distant" 13:48:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:48:43 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:48:46 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 13:49:06 very distant sounds fine 13:49:12 nearby, distant, very distant 13:49:23 (extremely distant. uncannily distant) 13:49:40 far away, in the far distance... or just go with "somewhere" 13:50:20 mm i used the word distant too many times in this commit message and now it makes no sense 13:50:29 <|amethyst> here, there, yon 13:50:45 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:50 hither, thither... 13:51:39 Really far away 13:52:52 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:55:48 (Now I'm wondering what PleasingFungus's commit is that it has such a long comment) 14:00:30 |amethyst: question about licenses, is BSD-licensed code compatible with our codebase? 14:02:49 -!- MrScumbag1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: as long as it's not the original 4-clause version (with the "all advertising materials..." clause) 14:04:12 ok, https://github.com/facebook/react/blob/master/LICENSE is what I was looking at 14:04:48 looks like inflate.js in our contribs is a kind of bsd-license as well but I don't see any such clause either 14:05:22 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes, that version (3-clause) is considered GPL-compatible by the FSF 14:05:29 ok, good to know, thanks 14:06:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: might add it to license.txt 14:06:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: next to MSVC/stdint.h, which is also under 3-clause BSD 14:06:57 ah, ok, will do that 14:07:24 |amethyst: oh, I see inflate.js mentioned in said file already 14:07:25 <|amethyst> I think several of our other js contribs aren't listed there 14:07:41 yeah probably some are missing, so I'll shore that up 14:09:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3778-gd01e867: Adjust stat bonuses from randarts 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d01e867f1132 14:09:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3779-g6bf8bef: Reword a portal vault distance message 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bf8bef99d4c 14:12:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:11 <|amethyst> Harken! Yon portcullis creaketh to the northeast! 14:19:23 <|amethyst> Behold! A sewer lieth before thee! 14:20:17 "thataway" 14:22:22 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:06 <|amethyst> The wascally wabbit hits! 14:23:43 someone else can create that one :p 14:32:15 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:38:49 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:45:20 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:45:32 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:34 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:50 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:41 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:11 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1] 15:08:13 Armakuni (L18 TrTm) ASSERT(a) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 892 failed. (No actor in stationary net at (19,23)) (Snake:5) 15:10:58 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:32 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:02 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:22 -!- dienosore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:26:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3780-gdc0d15b: Improve Lugonu banishment description 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc0d15b49892 15:26:41 um 15:27:14 oh don't tell me monsters use that too 15:27:32 fr lugonu gives piety for being banished 15:27:33 theTower: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:28:00 MarvinPA: they do 15:28:04 easy to fix, tho 15:28:13 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28:19 I'm more vaguely uncertain about the half xp thing 15:28:30 looking for the relevant code now 15:28:37 about whether it's true? pretty sure it is 15:29:33 surely it's only actual kills that scale off damage percentage, your ally can't half-banish a monster for yoyu 15:29:34 you* 15:29:36 ah, I think I see the relevant thing - mon-death.cc:2404 15:29:43 which resets damage %s, I think 15:33:26 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:36 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:08 shouldn't banishment give 100% xp in the first place if the player does it 15:34:14 since, you know, they are not a monster 15:36:04 -!- theTower has left ##crawl-dev 15:36:16 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38:14 some of them you can encounter and kill in the abyss 15:38:22 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:53 banishing monsters for "double xp" is not a reasonable or practical strategy. if it was, it would already be, since you already get 1.5x xp for doing so. (50% for banish + 100% for kill.) 15:42:04 minmay: I think it's the same reasoning as pacify, a "fake instakill"? idk 15:42:22 really? i thought killing already banished monsters in the abyss was also 50% 15:42:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think you only get 50% for the kill 15:42:34 <|amethyst> at least that's how it works for pacification 15:42:37 o 15:42:43 you might be right 15:45:11 <|amethyst> right now it's fixed at 50% I think, but I had a commit in halftone that allowed the percentage to be different 15:45:24 PleasingFungus: enslavement is better than an instakill and it gives more than 50% xp 15:46:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:46:24 <|amethyst> I may be wrong about banishment, though... I'm just assuming it's the same as pacif 15:46:41 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:09 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:47:25 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:47:37 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:52 <|amethyst> oh 15:47:55 minmay: confusion into deep water/lava is likewise an instakill. no idea how much xp that gives, tho 15:47:59 <|amethyst> I was wrong 15:48:07 <|amethyst> banishment does give full XP 15:48:12 <|amethyst> err 15:48:30 <|amethyst> I mean, killing a banished monster 15:48:35 <|amethyst> // Note: we do not set MF_GOT_HALF_XP, the monster is usually not 15:48:36 <|amethyst> // distinguishable from others of the same kind in the Abyss. 15:49:00 nice 15:49:03 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:06 <|amethyst> would probably be reasonable to make an exception for uniques if it's important 15:50:25 <|amethyst> tourney banner for banishing the same unique down to A:5 then killing it 15:50:44 <|amethyst> I guess just "kill a unique on Abyss:5" would be enough 15:51:26 the hydrataur is only found on abyss 4 and below, so that sounds reasonable 15:52:07 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq.banish gid=xomscumming:cdo:20110731115609S s=noun 15:52:08 32 milestones for * (uniq.banish gid=xomscumming:cdo:20110731115609S): 32x Maurice 15:52:17 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq.banish gid=TinyBugChild:cszo:20120920021343S s=noun 15:52:18 20 milestones for * (uniq.banish gid=TinyBugChild:cszo:20120920021343S): Edmund, the 27-headed Lernaean hydra, Saint Roka, Agnes, Josephine, Fannar, Louise, Donald, Wiglaf, Norris, Boris, Maurice, Grinder, Erica, Prince Ribbit, Erolcha, Aizul, Margery, Nessos, Urug 15:52:33 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq abyss s=place 15:52:35 1992 milestones for * (uniq abyss): 1329x Abyss:1, 663x Abyss 15:52:49 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq.banished abyss 15:52:50 No keyword 'uniq.banished' 15:52:53 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq.banish abyss 15:52:55 18. [2014-10-27 22:24:19] Amilir the Impaler (L20 FoAK of Lugonu) banished Nessos on turn 73582. (Abyss:1) 15:53:05 <|amethyst> !lm * uniq.banish abyss s=noun 15:53:06 18 milestones for * (uniq.banish abyss): 4x Nessos, 3x Snorg, 2x Menkaure, 2x Psyche, 2x Sonja, Louise, Cerebov, Frances, Joseph, Asterion 15:53:16 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 956 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 15:53:16 %??nessos 15:53:19 good mr 15:54:10 <|amethyst> given the current counts, could make it 1. kill a unique in the Abyss 2. kill a unique on Abyss:2 or lower 3. kill a unique (three uniques?) on Abyss:5 15:55:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:11 PleasingFungus: Do you have a copy of the ridiculously long commit on pastebin so I can see why it's so long? Or will I have to wait for a surprise 15:56:47 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3781-g2316936: Separate monster banishment desc from player ability desc (PleasingFungus) 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23169362ea77 15:57:36 I am being secretive; someone else can probably guess 15:57:52 MarvinPA: what was that deleted comment originally about, do you know? 15:58:01 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:00 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:20 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:02:57 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:32 i might be a crazy person. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9410 16:04:24 you are a crazy person 16:04:53 whew, that's a relief 16:06:32 i was pleasantly surprised at how much of that worked on the first try, i think i only had two typos in the item lists 16:08:50 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:13:02 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:02 I approve of shop vault 16:15:56 Z can sell Zongdrulak's sword 16:16:10 i decided not to think too hard about unrands 16:16:18 seems like a bad thing to guarantee 16:17:10 who uses that 16:17:39 that's not really the point, it's about it being something weird and special 16:17:43 at some point it should be made not super bad 16:17:45 probably 16:17:49 but that's orthogonal 16:18:51 The unrand emporium 16:18:58 sells unrands at hilarious markups 16:19:02 i suppose at some point a usual item could be made into an unrand and mess up the alphabetizing but there's no easy way to prevent that without blocking all randart generation and i didn't want that 16:19:20 also: i didn't care that much 16:19:27 :) 16:19:30 it is inside a sealed vault 16:19:35 with 8 OOFs around it 16:19:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19:46 PleasingFungus: there used to be two separate flight abilities, i think kenku had FLIGHT_I and draconians had FLIGHT_II if they got the big wings mutation 16:19:54 with that much security i'd think that it would sell unrands for pennies 16:20:08 is this related to the lev/flight thing, or was it an entirely distinct thing 16:20:19 they were both flight, i think one was cancellable at will and one wasn't 16:20:29 maybe it's innate hovering vs. flaps wings 16:20:31 but now that's all handled differently? i dunno, it was a big mess or something 16:20:37 good times 16:20:43 nicolae-: that's levitation vs flight 16:20:48 (rip) 16:21:16 i thought even after levitation got grounded there was still a distinction between hovering and flapping since paralysis would prevent the latter but not the former 16:21:35 which i think got cut at some point to prevent instadeaths/instakills over lava/deep water but i'm not sure 16:21:59 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:26 that's about accurate i think 16:23:05 except i think paralysis wouldn't instakill flappers over water, only petrification or catching them in throwing nets (impossibly unless they're confused!) would 16:23:32 impossible* 16:23:42 FR: OOF evocable 16:23:54 does massive damage but then summons multiple durable oofs 16:24:01 that of course hate you 16:24:02 oof is right 16:24:12 and it wasn't an instadeath against the player but only because player forms that flapped instead counted as levitating, the codepath to instakill flapping players did exist 16:24:21 beautiful stuff 16:24:32 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:50 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:31 -!- Werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46:26 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:48:09 henzell/etc messages in ##crawl should probably indicate sprint vs not 16:52:11 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:52:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53:16 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57:04 they do, sort of; location is "D" 16:57:24 that may not always be the case! 16:57:57 location isn't shown for wins though 16:58:32 rast the Invulnerable (L20 MiFi), escaped with the Orb, with 541080 points after 12726 turns and 1:08:24. 16:59:59 that was totally the dungeon >_> 17:00:09 (: 17:01:11 * geekosaur thinks the score gives that one away :p 17:03:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08:59 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:14 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:16 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 17:23:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3781-g2316936 (34) 17:31:18 who's responsible for the 15 first levels of dodging being not-useless in plate now btw 17:31:44 hi 17:31:49 !send PleasingFungus delicious cookies 17:31:50 Sending delicious cookies to PleasingFungus. 17:32:10 you can also blame tabstorm for nagging me about it until I did it 17:32:15 * Grunt eats the cookies. 17:32:27 you monster!!! 17:32:34 muhahahahahahahaha 17:32:51 kvaak: The downside is that at high levels of dodging it's weaker now 17:33:15 it's still my single favorite change in .16 17:33:16 kvaak: Also the .8 AEVP ignored for spellcasting got removed 17:33:28 RIP MDA 17:33:38 use ring mail like a man 17:33:41 you wimp 17:34:52 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:13 -!- Jeffrey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:37:06 mauris (L5 TrMo) (D:3) 17:38:04 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:38:23 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:27 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:39 !crashlog mauris 17:41:40 4. mauris, XL5 TrMo, T:1655 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/mauris/crash-mauris-20150124-233704.txt 17:41:50 wow 17:41:59 language stacking: a Good Idea 17:41:59 hm 17:42:03 a great idea! 17:42:10 but possibly I should put some kind of limits on there 17:43:22 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:03 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:36 what happened 17:45:55 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:45:59 ^27 17:46:01 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 17:46:03 fake_lang = grunt,grunt,grunt,grunt,grunt,grunt,grunt [...] 17:46:13 exponential gruntness 17:46:14 the grunt singularity 17:46:37 just make fake_lang = grunt recursive for fake_lang = grunt 17:48:15 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:22 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:55 Can anyone say, do grouping characters << and >> actually work in the Control + F search? 17:52:08 nope 17:52:18 Your search expression is invalid. 17:52:39 Reason I am asking, if I try searching for "sword && << holy || pain >>" it doesn't work, although << holy || pain >> does. 17:53:16 Is it that I am doing something wrong, or they cannot be grouped like this? 17:53:29 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:25 it works for me 17:57:08 that is a lot of ! 17:57:22 my god, it's full of ! 17:58:01 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:00:34 doy: Can you tell me what search string did you use, exactly? 18:00:57 sword && << holy || pain >> 18:01:09 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:47 doy: Odd. For me, it only returns only the things that are holy, but not pain. 18:08:16 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3782-ga82f3fd: Add TYPEs to two unrand weapons (Sniper, Gyre) 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a82f3fde1e1d 18:08:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3783-g86df9c6: Refactor item inscription display code 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 54+ 69-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86df9c6742d3 18:08:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3784-g425406a: Don't mark non-glowing Donald shields interesting 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=425406a3c7e1 18:08:16 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3785-g31b0019: Remove artefact weapon names from HUD and % (randarts, some unrands) 10(5 weeks ago, 3 files, 54+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31b0019f8490 18:08:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3786-g2b73f9e: Pull out some item name code 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 72+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b73f9efc4f1 18:08:16 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3787-g8c1e21d: Refactor & rework weapon name code 10(85 minutes ago, 4 files, 208+ 115-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c1e21df6139 18:08:36 i get a short sword of pain in my list when i do that search 18:08:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:15 %git :/astrap 18:09:16 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3067-gcfcf13d: Don't treat a shop with "trap" in the name as a trap (wheals) 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfcf13dd8b85 18:09:24 !seen nicolae- 18:09:24 I last saw nicolae- at Sat Jan 24 23:18:16 2015 UTC (51m 8s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 18:10:01 !tell nicolae- perhaps your problem was caused by the same problem as %git cfcf13d? 18:10:01 wheals: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 18:11:31 ??ass traps 18:11:31 I don't have a page labeled ass_traps in my learndb. 18:12:46 that's a lang = butt feature, actualy 18:14:32 !lg * killer~~the_power_of_butt 18:14:33 No games for * (killer~~the_power_of_butt). 18:16:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:27 seriously? you removed corpse_thingy? :( 18:16:33 only the comment about it 18:16:44 I don't know who change the actual field name 18:16:48 *changed 18:17:14 incorrect comments naturally made it even better 18:22:46 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:55 PleasingFungus: btw, i suspect you broke the sulking sword again in the merges/rebases for chriso's code :( 18:25:00 oh 18:25:02 hm 18:25:15 probably should update // unrands don't use cached names 18:25:32 since some of them do (just the SS and GG, i think) 18:26:10 gg? 18:26:49 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:27 gyre + gimble 18:27:35 o 18:27:41 wait, do their names sawp, or 18:27:51 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:55 *swap 18:28:17 during the first hit, it's called "gyre", then "gimble" so you get correct messages for monsters hitting you 18:28:29 arguably unnecessary 18:28:47 hm 18:28:53 well, I'm not sure how to fix the singing sword think 18:29:02 poked it at a little just now, no luc 18:29:04 %git :/ulking 18:29:04 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-3045-g165986a: Bring back the Sulking Sword. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=165986a94ec9 18:29:39 just swapping the order, as there, should work 18:32:29 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3788-g2319f78: Re-fix the sulking sword (wheals) 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2319f788ce32 18:33:19 !blame PleasingFungus 18:33:20 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 18:33:34 rude 18:33:39 anyway expect other bugs, I rewrote a lot of code 18:34:30 the Mastah of Refactah 18:34:34 feel free to use that btw 18:34:42 I will have to keep it in mind 18:36:34 refractory refactoring 18:37:45 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:42:20 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:43 -!- Basil is now known as Guest30244 18:44:34 -!- Guest30244 is now known as Basil 18:46:20 -!- Ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:22 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:47 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:04 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:57:56 03ChrisOelmueller02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.16-a0-3789-g74483ed: Mention unrand weapon base type in item description 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74483ed1051c 18:57:59 Display to_hit chance for damaging (non-automatic) spells 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9437 by Sandman25 18:58:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: err 18:58:15 ? 18:58:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: part of that commit went into the message? 18:58:30 hahaha 18:58:38 that's what I get for hand-editing patch files 18:58:49 the good news is that part wasn't supposed to go into the code anyway 18:59:11 so rN- artifacts can make undead rN++ -- does that do anything? 18:59:44 v0v 19:00:02 good 19:00:32 I guess probably undead should have rN infinity 19:00:44 hm, I remember that on my last mu 19:00:52 I wore warding to get back to rN+++ 19:01:20 Lightli: the penalty for MDA is still very small 19:01:33 oops, that was way back in the log 19:01:43 PleasingFungus: yeah, I think so 19:02:00 i can think of an alternate solution that doesn't require adding some an ugly rN infinity here 19:02:17 yeah rN- has always been weird 19:02:50 MarvinPA: why is rN infinity 'ugly' 19:03:14 infinity signs on the % screen are super ugly 19:03:34 I disagree with you, but that is aesthetic 19:03:35 like aesthetically, not code-wise 19:04:26 but yes i would argue that rN- is not a property that does interesting things, anyway 19:05:23 since negative energy attacks are not exactly a thing you run into unexpectedly 19:06:23 what happens when a death scarab bites a mummy 19:06:41 as with other features of rN-, who knows 19:08:25 Congratulations to whomever invented the anubis guards... they sort of make up for the lack of moths of suppression. 19:09:00 doesn't seem to do anything but idk 19:09:28 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:54 !lg * ikiller~~anubis 19:13:54 32. enigmoo the Conqueror (L27 OgSk of Dithmenos), blasted by an anubis guard (dispel undead) on Tomb:1 (tomb_1) on 2015-01-21 20:33:47, with 1106025 points after 138669 turns and 21:10:05. 19:14:08 !lg * ikiller=anubis_guard s=ckaux 19:14:08 10 games for * (ikiller=anubis_guard): 5x by dispel undead, 2x dire flail, 2x quarterstaff, bolt of negative energy 19:14:19 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:19 good 19:14:27 !lg * ikiller=anubis_guard ckaux~~dispel s=char 19:14:28 5 games for * (ikiller=anubis_guard ckaux~~dispel): HESk, MuFi, GhMo, OgSk, MuFE 19:14:36 HEsk 19:14:41 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8 s=ikiller 19:14:42 146893 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8): 21013x, 8125x a gnoll, 7860x an adder, 5875x a hobgoblin, 5465x an orc priest, 4934x a kobold, 4810x a jackal, 4118x an ogre, 4003x an orc wizard, 3413x a worm, 3168x Sigmund, 3129x an orc, 3004x an orc warrior, 2745x a giant gecko, 2688x a goblin, 2337x a centaur, 1804x Grinder, 1463x a killer bee, 1443x a worker ant, 1417x Robin, 1... 19:14:43 * gammafunk shakes his fist 19:14:45 oops 19:14:47 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8 s=ikiller tomb 19:14:48 110 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8 tomb): 19x a greater mummy, 10x an anubis guard, 9x a mummy priest, 8x an ushabti, 7x a death scarab, 7x a bennu, 5x, 4x a guardian mummy, 4x bennu, 3x an indirect mummy death curse, 3x Khufu, 3x the rage of Trog, 2x a greater mummy's death curse, 2x a mummy priest's death curse, 2x a guardian mummy's death curse, 2x an emperor scorpion, ... 19:14:56 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8 s=ckiller tomb 19:14:56 ~*~*~good~*~*~ 19:14:56 110 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-1599-g5eaa0b8 tomb): 15x a greater mummy, 10x a death scarab, 10x an anubis guard, 9x an ushabti, 7x a bennu, 7x a reaper, 7x a mummy priest, 4x bennu, 4x a guardian mummy, 3x quitting, 2x something, 2x Khufu, 2x a smoke demon, 2x a stone giant, 2x a phantasmal warrior, 2x an emperor scorpion, an ettin zombie, a tengu reaver, a shadow, a soul eater, a ... 19:15:05 doing work 19:15:23 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:15:28 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 19:15:32 I still want my zerked emperor scorpions 19:15:36 why can't i have nice things 19:16:13 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:17:51 get spider rune duh 19:20:15 pop quiz, how does rN- make you more vulnerable to: vampiric attacks, drain_stat attacks, agony, torment 19:22:16 (answers: it doesn't, they always drain you, it doesn't, it deals 5% more damage) 19:22:45 so i guess i'm arguing for rN- to go away entirely rather than just on artefacts 19:24:19 well, arguably we could just change the answers to those questions 19:24:28 that said, I'm not particularly attached to rN- 19:24:57 Also, rN+ doesn't affect drain stats, does it? 19:25:38 it affects AF_DRAIN_ 19:26:24 Huh, weird. 19:26:31 I would never have guessed 19:26:35 which is on ghost moths and things i guess, it succeeds if random2(4) > res_negative_whatever 19:26:53 that's 19:26:53 did anyone else know that? 19:26:54 odd 19:26:57 I did not 19:27:00 imho remove rN 19:27:22 since no one knows how it works, apparently 19:27:51 -!- ophanim has quit [] 19:28:07 heh 19:28:13 maybe we should just clean up rN 19:28:21 i imagine a bunch of people would fail to answer how rN+ affects the previous list too really, yeah 19:28:42 (agony blocked with any rN at all, vampiric attacks blocked with 1 chance in rN, etc) 19:29:00 agony blocked only against monsters by any rN at all 19:29:14 players w/ rN+ can still be hit by agony, IIRC 19:29:34 it doesn't look like it 19:29:57 you're thinking of pain 19:30:42 (in fact how does the weapon brand interact with monster rN?) 19:32:04 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:33:54 oh, oops 19:34:00 I just foolishly assumed they'd be similar :p 19:34:35 Bloax: It doesn't work if they have any rN, I think. 19:34:42 they both use BEAM_PAIN, if that helps 19:34:48 just to be extra confusing 19:35:02 beam.cc.... 19:35:06 :') 19:35:20 you have to love it 19:35:57 or else 19:36:07 Lasty: You'd think they would make the stronger spell of the two ignore rN, but nope! 19:36:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 19:39:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:40:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 20:59:34 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:40 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:05 -!- spacet_ is now known as spacet 21:05:35 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11:23 -!- endou______ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:57 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 21:17:18 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:24:50 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:37 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:31:46 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:32:32 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:34 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 21:36:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 21:37:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:45:11 _You finish putting on the +0 robe of the Hanged Man {rCorr Int+4 Dex+6}. 21:46:08 "it fits but it's a little tight in the neck" 21:46:09 nicolae-: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:46:14 !messages 21:46:14 (1/1) wheals said (3h 36m 13s ago): perhaps your problem was caused by the same problem as %git cfcf13d? 21:46:42 %git cfcf13d 21:46:42 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3067-gcfcf13d: Don't treat a shop with "trap" in the name as a trap (wheals) 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfcf13dd8b85 21:47:21 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:39 !tell wheals i think the problem had to do with crawl.make_name() occasionally generating names with a space which you can't just plop into a shop definition, after i fixed that i didn't get errors anymore 21:47:39 nicolae-: OK, I'll let wheals know. 21:47:43 thank you Sequell 21:49:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:49:35 -!- XL28DgWn is now known as drke 21:50:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:33 -!- Moonsilence_de has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:52:03 -!- hebo has quit [Ping timeout: 415 seconds] 21:52:03 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 415 seconds] 21:52:03 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 415 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 415 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- humeral has quit [Ping timeout: 415 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- moocowpong1_ is now known as moocowpong1 21:52:04 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 628 seconds] 21:52:08 -!- humeral-D is now known as humeral 21:52:30 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:40 -!- agentgt has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:12 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:45 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:36 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:38 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:07:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:20 -!- ByronJoh1son is now known as ByronJohnson 22:11:26 If in Petrifying status, do not warn on rest if in a calcifying cloud. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9438 by XuaXua 22:13:13 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:27 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:17:06 -!- lobf has left ##crawl-dev 22:17:31 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 22:18:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:19:38 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:57 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:31:18 it doenst mention in monsters descriptions if theyre vulnerable to holy wrath 22:31:37 -!- vede has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:20 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:33:26 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:17 -!- caricature has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:52 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:43:04 -!- Menche has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:01 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:52:07 Jellies accessed loot in Slime:6 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9439 by EugeneJudo 22:52:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:04:10 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:11 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:11 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:56 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:15 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:13:46 -!- EuphOria has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:23:26 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Quit: Euph0ria] 23:23:32 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:25:10 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3789-g74483ed (34) 23:25:34 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3790-g42ad724: Temporarily remove shoals_atoll 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42ad724c12ce 23:44:01 !tell gammafunk I will note that you've been harassing me on IRC for months, forcing me to permignore you, and more recently thanking almost every comment by anybody disagreeing with me, regardless of the subject. 23:44:02 minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 23:44:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:46:33 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 23:58:35 -!- Katedagreat has quit [Quit: Page closed]