00:00:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:05 03doy02 07[fix-explore-mode] * 0.16-a0-3741-g0425f3e: fix save compat break on character selection screen 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 20+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0425f3e12634 00:01:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:50 and against current master, i guess 00:02:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:31 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:36 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:06:11 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3741-g3b77e23: Make wiz heal remove brainless, etc 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b77e23bbb04 00:06:21 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:07:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:00 -!- ruwin has quit [] 00:08:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:16 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:08:51 !tell minmay fixed your triple sword brainless bug :) 00:08:51 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let minmay know. 00:10:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3740-g2dcfef7 (34) 00:11:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3742-g38a4c05: Warn when unwielding a weapon stat-zeroes (minmay) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38a4c056ddcc 00:11:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:51 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:44 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:08 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:16 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:24 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-3743-g5a2f293: fix save compat break on character selection screen 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 20+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a2f293c067c 00:16:29 Grunt: heh, can you see what map I'm on right now? 00:17:02 !locate gammafun1 00:17:02 Failed to locate gammafun1. 00:17:04 !locate gammafunk 00:17:05 gammafunk was last seen on CSZO (gammafunk, L22 VSWz of Ru). 00:17:07 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:31 The site http://crawl.s-z.org/ is blocked. It has been classified in the category/ies Scam/Questionable/Illegal 00:17:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:05 |amethyst: said something about s-z.org being questionable before he got the domain 00:18:49 heh, and now a weird hell entry with...dwarf skeletons? 00:19:30 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:11 they dug too deep 00:20:23 that's literally the vault name iirc 00:20:37 oh man, enchantress vault 00:21:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:34 oh, they dug too deep, I wonder if that's what that's supposed to be 00:21:37 yeah balrug 00:21:38 duh 00:21:45 :) 00:21:47 PleasingFungus: do you know what this vault originally was though? 00:21:53 the one you're in? 00:21:56 ye 00:22:00 yeah of course, I played through it a few times in its original location 00:22:05 yeah 00:22:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:14 remember the original gammafunk_forest_water_palace? 00:22:20 no, sorry 00:22:21 that was way different than the one you died in 00:23:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:19 %git e9fcc15 00:23:19 07gammafunk02 {Grunt} * 0.13-a0-2317-ge9fcc15: New forest vaults, including a forest end, and a generic overflow temple 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 2 files, 273+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9fcc15c4a59 00:23:35 PleasingFungus: see the last vault 00:23:41 third to last 00:23:43 I'm looking at it 00:23:47 it looks aesthetically pleasing 00:23:49 very zelda 00:23:51 well the last is a subvault of it 00:23:57 PleasingFungus: funny thing, that's what cheibrodos said 00:24:02 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:05 it was pretty primitive 00:24:06 o, I forgot subvaults existed 00:24:10 killed a couple people though 00:24:14 *almost* killed Basil 00:24:17 so damn close 00:24:22 he loves my vaults 00:24:44 and magicpoint almost died, even more close to death 00:24:46 heh 00:24:48 lucked out witha last second tele 00:24:50 !lg magicpoints 00:24:50 1490. magicpoints the Charmwright (L1 NaSk), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) (led by Robin) on D:3 on 2015-01-21 09:52:47, with 0 points after 39 turns and 0:00:35. 00:24:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:55 yesss 00:24:58 <3 mp nagas 00:25:02 neva stop 00:25:08 level 1 00:25:10 d:3 00:25:12 robin kill 00:25:16 hehe 00:25:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:25 !lg magicpoints br=forest 00:25:26 No games for magicpoints (br=forest). 00:25:39 !lg devteamnp br=forest s=name,char,xl 00:25:40 7 games for devteamnp (br=forest): 4x 78291 (FoNe (26), OgFi (23), FoEE (23), DgSu (21)), 3x wheals (2x LOBe (2x 25), SpEn (26)) 00:26:06 this will be great if the faerie armour is good 00:26:12 since I have no ?ea 00:26:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:28 still mad at that guy talking about his 18 ea 00:26:38 that's just greedy!!! 00:26:54 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DCSS_Survey_summary.pdf <-- would devs be open to re-running this/a similar survey at the same time as the 0.16 tournament? I put my hand up to do the work 00:27:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:47 I'd love it, personally, but idk what exactly is involved - it seemed like the first one was run with a surprising amount of domain expertise 00:28:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:59 haah 00:29:00 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:12 dire elephant ran into her 00:29:16 elephant rampage 00:29:28 I ran a survey for a 500 person professional organisation before, but i have zero relevant education 00:29:39 this report is written well, i'll poke whoever did that 00:29:41 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:49 it was dpeg and jpeg 00:30:01 they started compiling it a long time before the release 00:30:18 like the survey was done before I had even a single offline win 00:30:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:23 and it was published on that date 00:30:32 so like two years 00:30:44 but yeah another one published in a shorter timeframe would be cool 00:30:57 hahahahaha 00:31:00 gammadunked 00:31:00 uuuuuuuggggg 00:31:09 it's rcorr!!! 00:31:12 Your Property 00:31:12 WHERE ARE YOU NOW WHEN I NEED YOU LASTYYYY 00:31:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:26 faerie dragon armour is weird anyway 00:31:55 god 00:31:59 oh right, *tele is still a thing 00:32:01 I forgot about that 00:34:28 ...wait 00:34:43 oh autoided 00:34:59 man, that amulet is almost amazing 00:35:09 oh right 00:35:13 I might buy that I guess 00:35:18 the *tele cost... 00:35:27 tbh 8 res pots 00:35:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:58 ! 00:36:06 yeah great sac stealth 00:36:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:16 essentially +1 enchant 00:37:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:56 this might let you stab with your bare hands 00:37:57 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:58 I forget 00:38:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:39:28 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 554 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:39:28 %??oklob plant 00:39:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:02 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 30 | HP: 138-189 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 4608 | Sp: spit acid (3d7) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:40:02 %??oklob plant hd:30 00:40:07 curse toe (08z) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 14 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 25/1 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4769 | Sp: s.torment [06!sil], sum.mushrooms [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 00:40:07 %??curse toe 00:40:12 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 00:40:12 %??orb of fire 00:41:12 -!- Umbreoni is now known as FaMott 00:42:13 gammafun1: where is your lasty now....... 00:42:39 doesn't make up for all of my terrible suffering 00:43:54 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:17 -!- kaibacorp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:25 !lg 00:45:25 645. Kramin the Caller (L2 DESu), slain by newageoflight's ghost on D:4 on 2015-01-22 02:55:49, with 25 points after 1200 turns and 0:04:00. 00:45:32 !lg . -2 00:45:32 644/645. Kramin the Pyromancer (L24 DECj of Sif Muna), slain by a caustic shrike zombie on Depths:2 (evilmike_negative_zone) on 2015-01-22 02:43:30, with 518907 points after 82566 turns and 6:44:30. 00:45:37 thanks Lasty 00:45:41 yeah ip 00:45:43 *rip 00:45:48 not even a live one 00:46:00 dying to zombies in depths Kramin 00:46:03 What Is Going On 00:46:30 thinking I will be ok 00:46:38 when I have 40 HP 00:46:44 and there is just one zombie 00:46:45 caustic shrike zombie (07Z) | Spd: 18 | HD: 17 | HP: 124-163 | AC/EV: 8/13 | Dam: 36 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(22), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1448 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 00:46:45 %??caustic shrike zombie 00:46:48 !lg kramin -2 x=ac,ev,sh 00:46:48 644/645. [ac=20;ev=20;sh=10] Kramin the Pyromancer (L24 DECj of Sif Muna), slain by a caustic shrike zombie on Depths:2 (evilmike_negative_zone) on 2015-01-22 02:43:30, with 518907 points after 82566 turns and 6:44:30. 00:46:58 it double hit me 00:46:58 !lg kramin -2 x=tiles 00:46:58 644/645. [tiles=false] Kramin the Pyromancer (L24 DECj of Sif Muna), slain by a caustic shrike zombie on Depths:2 (evilmike_negative_zone) on 2015-01-22 02:43:30, with 518907 points after 82566 turns and 6:44:30. 00:46:58 speed 18 00:47:03 console unreasons 00:47:08 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:29 !lg * recent s=tiles !boring / won 00:47:30 yeah, most zombies don't do that much damage 00:47:32 7761/735701 games for * (recent !boring): 5842/621296x true [0.94%], 1919/114405x false [1.68%] 00:47:41 I rest my case, your Honour 00:48:30 !lg pleasingfungus won s=tiles 00:48:30 34 games for pleasingfungus (won): 34x true 00:48:31 welp, spin_cycle u:5 00:48:34 good loot I guess 00:48:36 iirc it's been narrowing over time 00:48:44 !lg * current !trunk s=tiles !boring / won 00:48:47 1661/176217 games for * (current !trunk !boring): 1250/151178x true [0.83%], 411/25039x false [1.64%] 00:48:49 !lg * current trunk s=tiles !boring / won 00:48:52 2913/202932 games for * (current trunk !boring): 2252/176380x true [1.28%], 661/26552x false [2.49%] 00:48:53 !lg . won s=tiles 00:48:54 23 games for Kramin (won): 23x false 00:48:58 hm, apparently not 00:49:18 however I have more wins than kramin: accordingly, I am morally superior 00:49:27 hail tiles 00:49:28 !won pleasingfungus 00:49:28 pleasingfungus has won 34 times in 375 games (9.07%): 2xHuWn 1xCeHu 1xDDNe 1xDECj 1xDgEn 1xDgNe 1xDrCj 1xDsGl 1xFeAr 1xFoCK 1xGhWz 1xGrBe 1xGrFi 1xHEWn 1xHOFi 1xHaAr 1xHuCK 1xKoBe 1xKoCj 1xMfIE 1xMiFi 1xMiNe 1xNaSk 1xNaVM 1xOgAK 1xOpEE 1xSpHu 1xTeCj 1xTrMo 1xVSGl 1xVSTm 1xVSWn 1xVpAM 00:49:44 !lg * tiles=true won s=name 00:49:45 11971 games for * (tiles=true won): 364x bmfx, 166x MrPlanck, 165x nago, 157x HilariousDeathArtist, 153x Bart, 141x Tolias, 126x Yermak, 107x Wahaha, 106x keymashgrqeeg, 102x Sphara, 92x tabstorm, 88x Sar, 87x araganzar, 83x Zooty, 82x Cheibrodos, 80x dck, 74x Thrkk, 73x zkyp, 72x tsouns, 72x tcjsavannah, 71x Medar, 71x ackack, 69x Sharkman1231, 65x UglyThing, 64x Vidiiot, 62x Snack, 58x rjrrt, 57... 00:49:49 also been playing longer no doubt 00:49:55 !gamesby . 00:49:55 PleasingFungus has played 375 games, between 2013-11-22 22:41:11 and 2015-01-14 00:08:53, won 34 (9.1%), high score 23422719, total score 210456825, total turns 6674937, play-time/day 1:28:39, total time 25d+19:09:57. 00:49:56 !gamesby kramin 00:49:57 kramin has played 645 games, between 2013-05-25 06:11:11 and 2015-01-22 02:55:49, won 23 (3.6%), high score 22955794, total score 99618457, total turns 6699225, play-time/day 1:01:12, total time 25d+20:13:22. 00:50:15 lol @ playtime 00:50:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:32 we are spooky ghost antitwins 00:50:37 I started offline not long before that, idk 00:50:38 also turncount\ 00:50:47 yeah wow 00:51:21 how did they let you onto the devteam 00:51:27 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:35 !gamesby 00:51:36 doy has played 969 games, between 2006-12-14 21:58:12 and 2015-01-11 11:56:09, won 36 (3.7%), high score 12486173, total score 103953403, total turns 10997165, play-time/day 0:30:03, total time 61d+14:32:34. 00:52:05 I kid :) 00:52:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:18 !gamesby . recent 00:52:19 doy (recent) has played 48 games, between 2014-07-26 22:33:33 and 2015-01-11 11:56:09, won 5 (10.4%), high score 12486173, total score 20232637, total turns 972207, play-time/day 0:31:46, total time 3d+18:00:51. 00:53:30 on another note, no serpent of hell kills for over two weeks now): 00:53:50 fucked up 00:54:14 imo it needs some kind of loot 00:54:20 to lure people to it to die 00:54:49 "I should probably teleport away, but I really want the +7 whizmajang of the Gehenna Serpent of Hell!" <- improved soh killratios 00:55:05 eh 00:55:10 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:55:42 are you telling me you are anti-whizmajang 00:55:47 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:23 whizmajang4lief 00:58:32 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:10 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:57 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:09 actually, something else I'd like to work on is a website redesign. who is the webmaster? |amethyst ? 01:00:25 webmaster of cdo? 01:00:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:39 i guess 01:02:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:59 nap.kin runs cdo, but |amethyst and probably others would have write access to the web content, probably 01:05:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:44 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:05:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:11 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:15 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:26 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:10:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:12:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:13:18 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:45 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:14:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:10 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:27 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:12 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:19:59 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:59 The build has errored. 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[2015-01-22 07:17:26] Atomikkrab the Fruitful (L27 DsFi of Fedhas) left the Realm of Zot on turn 131290. (Zot:1) 01:41:03 !time 01:41:04 Time: Jan 22, 2015, 07:41:03 AM, UTC. 01:41:13 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:20 !lm atomikkrab -2 01:41:21 3699/3700. [2015-01-22 07:13:34] Atomikkrab the Fruitful (L27 DsFi of Fedhas) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 01:42:52 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:33 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:08 -!- Godzilla_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:06 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:48:31 ? 01:48:43 what cha doin pf 01:48:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:31 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:49:52 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:36 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:57:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:12 AtomikKrab: was calculating how long I'd been watching you 01:58:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:04 ??gammafunk[3 02:00:04 gammafunk[3/12]: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuSu^Jiyva 02:00:19 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/WSWZ^Ru // 02:00:19 No change: regex `WSWZ^Ru ` does not match `CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuSu^Jiyva` 02:00:23 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 02:00:24 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/WSWZ\^Ru // 02:00:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:24 No change: regex `WSWZ\^Ru ` does not match `CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuSu^Jiyva` 02:00:28 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/WSWZ\\^Ru // 02:00:29 No change: regex `WSWZ\\^Ru ` does not match `CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuSu^Jiyva` 02:00:36 !learn edit gammafunk[3] s/VSWz\^Ru // 02:00:37 gammafunk[3/12]: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom HOAs^Zin HuSu^Jiyva 02:01:05 .gfnext 02:01:05 HuSu^Jiyva 02:01:57 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:41 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:53 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:58 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:43 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:03 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:15:07 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:16:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:57 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:54 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:23 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 02:18:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:19:23 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:16 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:31 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3743-g5a2f293 (34) 02:23:49 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:23:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:53 The build was fixed. 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Use !messages to read them. 06:24:39 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9421 06:27:42 !tell gammafunk Thanks for the Ru feedback! I'm glad to hear it was overall a good experience. Re: Power Leap, I like using it as a tactical repositioning tool in situations where I'm pretty sure I won't need to apocalypse to save myself -- just being able to get out of certain kinds of jams is nice. 06:27:43 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:29:04 !tell gammafunk Having to use apoc is a cost in and of itself, so I'm fine with sac courage forcing that choice more often than you would normally use it. 06:29:05 Lasty: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:29:12 !tell pleasingfungus I'm all ears. :D 06:29:12 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:30:09 !tell pleasingfungus Re: W, that's encouraging! We can definitely make the powers stronger. I think they're objectively wrong about how strong the powers are, but that's fine. :D 06:30:09 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:31:33 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:10 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:27 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:39:54 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 06:54:09 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:21 -!- spacet has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59:07 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:01:07 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:02:37 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:19:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:27:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:28:55 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:34:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:38:43 -!- Impy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:41:52 minor nitpick: ww/ew should probably mention they don't work with ranged weapons 07:42:03 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:44:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(Lab) 09:16:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:16 Dorian (L14 SpEn) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (Lab) 09:18:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:55 -!- Twinge has quit [] 09:25:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:37 -!- Brannock is now known as Brannock_ 09:29:21 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:42 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:34:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:34:40 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:03 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:39:28 -!- Anchorite has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:40:45 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:41:16 -!- runewalsh has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:20 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:26 Is there any weird changes going on with shields 09:56:43 ask Lasty and/or PleasingFungus 09:56:58 bucklers were changed recently 09:56:58 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:57:04 I was playing a bearkin a while ago and I don't know if it had to do with my size changing 09:57:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:57:12 it might be a bearkin issue 09:57:27 what exactly is the problem? 09:58:11 !tell lasty: the bad idea: sacrifice anticourage: become lonely, penalties for having few enemies onscreen. 09:58:13 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who lasty: is. 09:58:19 !tell lasty the bad idea: sacrifice anticourage: become lonely, penalties for having few enemies onscreen. 09:58:20 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 09:58:23 the spellcasting % went down after leveling up 09:58:51 while holding a shield.. and my size factor did not change that.. like I expected it to get better 09:58:52 PleasingFungus: if you're alone for too long, you start writing crawlcode and killing other players 09:58:55 <_< >_> 09:59:02 Grunt: noooo 09:59:18 the problem is I noticed this sort of casually 09:59:35 sure you weren't drained? or didn 09:59:39 't lose a +int item? 10:00:15 I need to look at the log again.. It might have been some xom effect. 10:00:39 anything related to bears is probably horrendously broken 10:01:00 -!- booly-yam-5194__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:01:03 I sort of like the species 10:01:37 you get the interesting choice of gsc or incredible uc 10:02:06 isn't that what trolls get 10:02:10 ^ 10:02:11 and who chooses gsc 10:02:18 no-one 10:02:21 yes 10:02:26 well, the difference is the apts 10:02:27 well, sandman25 does 10:02:27 I expect 10:02:37 gscs are exclusive to ogres for all practical intents and purposes 10:02:46 this is something I kind of hoped to change but bleh 10:02:48 !send kvaak bugs 10:02:48 Sending bugs to kvaak. 10:02:50 well I didn't but I thought you did wheals 10:02:52 I honestly have no idea where to go with the species 10:03:12 I saw someone picking GSC but it seem UC was far superior on bearkin 10:03:43 also is statue form UC the same for all species damage wise? 10:04:10 statue form keeps all your damage related muts afaik 10:04:16 claws, fangs, tailslaps, whatever 10:04:26 but is that for the primary damage or just aux 10:04:41 well for primary you punch with whatever base damage statue form has 10:04:50 plus claws, if you have those 10:05:07 * 3/2 of course 10:05:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:28 so to make things simple... statue form troll would in fact be more powerful than statue form human (ignoring stats) 10:05:49 troll has claws (and very, very likely higher str) so yes 10:06:00 also the armour restrictions matter less to a troll 10:06:24 yes I meant keeping all things equal of course other than the claw mutation. 10:06:24 that too, apart from body armour troll loses no slots 10:07:04 ie stone claws hurt more than stone hands which is what I thought 10:07:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:33 yes 10:08:06 I was trying to get statueform bearkin rolling to see how much damage I could do but.. I died for some reason 10:08:17 probably a bug. you shouldn't ever die 10:08:26 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:32 well the version in mantis is significantly different from the one currently in cbro 10:08:35 yeah thats what I thought :) 10:08:48 i'm not particularly satisfied with either though, so... 10:09:27 well lets just say I like bearkin more than the other experimental races 10:10:18 more than even plutonians??? 10:10:28 well I'm happy to hear that but I don't think it's in a state where it could/should make it into trunk, let alone stable 10:10:33 oh plutonians crashed for me 10:10:34 and giants?? 10:10:55 I haven't tried giants 10:11:31 probably my favorite experiment branch is pakellas... massively op got but lots of things are op so... 10:11:35 gottagofastvampires 10:11:42 !hs * op pakellas 10:11:42 No keyword 'pakellas' 10:11:46 !hs * op god=pakellas 10:11:46 No games for * (op god=pakellas). 10:11:58 !hs * god=pakellas 10:11:59 107. worldfamousw the Brilliant (L27 KoFi of Pakellas), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-01-14 13:05:45, with 3436143 points after 98888 turns and 23:08:04. 10:12:00 overpowered :) 10:12:08 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:08 -!- surr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12:18 !hs . god=pakellas 10:12:19 5. agentgt the Slayer (L27 KoAr of Pakellas), blasted by an iron dragon (spray of metal splinters) on Depths:4 on 2014-12-30 22:15:53, with 657016 points after 71967 turns and 7:48:36. 10:12:21 sequell sats it isn't op 10:12:27 s/sat/say 10:12:30 megavamp? overpowered? 10:12:35 now there's a surprise 10:13:13 well I would have won my koar but there is a way to die with pakellas... the wand mp mutation 10:13:43 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:05 I think the wand mp mutation might actually be the worse possible mutation in the game with pakellas. I can't think of a worse mutation but I'm not that creative 10:14:32 and the koar I had it was still 6mp 10:15:35 you probably just have to abandon pakellas if you get that mutation assuming the god makes it to trunk 10:15:46 nnnrrrooooookkk 10:16:04 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:17:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:17:39 agentgt: re: shields, bucklers went down to 0.8 EV penalty (from 1), shield base SH and skill needed to remove penalty are listed in i, and the impact of shield EV penalty on spellcasting is down by about 20%. 10:18:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:50 PleasingFungus: I like the idea of anticourage. Sacrifice introversion? :D Would the penalties also be horror? 10:19:05 it sounds exploitable 10:19:29 agentgt: the bear branch predates all shield changes 10:19:57 my vague feeling is that you'd end up playing in stupid ways to deal with it (anticourage). exploitable, like wheals said. 10:20:25 maybe base it on tension, so when there are few monsters around you get colder and move more slowly, and 10:20:40 !glaciate wheals 10:20:41 PleasingFungus casts a spell at wheals. PleasingFungus conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs wheals! 10:21:02 -!- wheals is now known as whealsshapedbloc 10:21:12 dangit 10:21:17 -!- whealsshapedbloc is now known as wheals 10:21:19 lol 10:21:50 the 3 mp for wand enhancer mut would be great w/ Pakellas. You get to use its * ability w/o using piety! 10:25:21 PleasingFungus: so I think I'm gonna stop +Twstr from spawning. I think it doesn't really work that well. 10:27:07 PleasingFungus: I think I'll also take a pass at doing a multi-pass process for assigning traits to allow things with variable quantity to take up one slot with each pass -- so, for example, +2-3 stats on each pass that hits stats, rF+ on each pass that hits rF, etc. Of course, that would also mean setting a max number of passes for each trait. 10:27:31 I had some vague reason why I decided I didn't like that idea 10:27:34 I wish I'd written it down 10:27:36 But this way I can get my precious +10 stat artefacts -- they'll just be artifacts that otherwise would have had 5 separate good properties :p 10:27:52 Oh, hmm. Let me know if it comes to you. 10:28:00 ...or 3-4 separate properties.... 10:28:17 well, sure, some number 10:28:24 "up to 5" :p 10:28:56 I've been thinking through implementation and it doesn't seem too nasty to me 10:29:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:29:05 but I could be missing something 10:29:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:31 you bearly miss something. 10:30:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:35 If a bearkin worships dith, does it get an umbeara? 10:31:27 lang = unbearable isn't finished yet I'm afraid 10:32:19 properly back later 10:32:19 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:32:32 that's embearrassing 10:34:02 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:20 bear with me here when i say that lang = unbearable would be truly unbearable to play with 10:35:56 . . . 10:36:00 bear 10:36:28 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:36:45 Basil: lol 10:37:05 Should be default lang for be 10:38:20 Also make ely invo title carebear 10:41:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:45:12 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1] 10:45:47 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 10:46:48 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:25 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:44 !seen dpeg 10:56:45 I last saw dpeg at Thu Jan 22 16:32:19 2015 UTC (24m 25s ago) saying 'properly back later' on ##crawl-dev. 10:57:48 Lasty_: turn it into *Twstr so I can bring back the whirlwind axe 10:58:18 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:59:42 -!- Marsh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:00:25 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [] 11:02:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:17:01 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:07 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3743-g5a2f293 (34) 11:25:34 -!- Chris77 has quit [Quit: Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak] 11:26:28 -!- Rivotril has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:41 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 11:29:49 !title invocations elyvilon 11:29:52 invocations elyvilon: Practitioner, Bringer of Life, Faith Healer, Caregiver, Pacifier, Purifying Dwarf, Pacifist, Mender, Purifying Orc, Purifying Kobold, Purifying Formicid, Comforter, Sinner, Purifying Human, Purifying Gargoyle, Purifying Vine, Purifying Naga, Purifying Lacertilian, Purifying Halfling, Purifying Elf, Purifying Spriggan, Purifying Draconian, Purifying Cat, Purifying Ogre, Purify... 11:30:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:31:42 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:15 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:38:21 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:38:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:51 -!- wheals has quit [Changing host] 11:38:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:07 Odd behavior with petrification/immunity 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9426 by silentsnack 12:01:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:21 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:30 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 12:03:44 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:22 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:02 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 12:05:16 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:26 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:24 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:59 -!- link_108 has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:16 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:25 -!- krynn` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:28 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:19 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:09 Grunt: Okay. 12:22:34 How's it work? 12:25:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:22 -!- booly-yam-5194__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:48 -!- Anchorite has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:02 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:33:53 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:38:14 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:38:19 Lasty_: *Twstr? 12:38:27 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:31 Lasty_: it is relative to +Twstr as *Rage is to +Rage 12:38:32 :) 12:38:46 i.e. it summons twisters randomly when you hit things!!! 12:39:22 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:23 -!- flowsnake has left ##crawl-dev 12:40:24 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:04 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:43:10 No, the whirlwind axe :p 12:43:18 What's it do aside from *Twstr 12:43:26 -!- Anchorite is now known as Dunsworth 12:43:36 kill dudes, of course 12:44:01 and at what frequency does it summon twisters? 12:45:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:48 in addition to *Twstr, it has +Pizza 12:46:51 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:47:53 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 12:49:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:03 what i'm really looking forward too, though, is its -Fungus property 12:51:14 incredible rudeness 12:51:27 here I am, dying of plague, and you do this to me? 12:52:02 a stab in the back; a veritable Judas Priest. 12:52:12 fr: plague fungus 12:52:50 -!- nicholas982 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:13 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:54:04 -!- Lightil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54:47 fr plaque fungus 12:55:04 * |amethyst robs PF 12:55:07 <|amethyst> halfordly 12:56:08 |amethyst: breakin' the law, eh? 12:58:38 <|amethyst> you've got another thing coming and will need painkiller after you encounter the british steel of my killing machine 12:58:48 ??whirlwind 12:58:48 I don't have a page labeled whirlwind in my learndb. 12:59:14 Basil: it's like punk 12:59:25 <|amethyst> (I'm really more of an Iron Maiden fan than JP, actually) 12:59:29 |amethyst: wow, such comprehensive knowledge... you're like, one of the metal gods....... 12:59:36 ok I'm done 12:59:51 <|amethyst> heh 13:03:02 unknown monster: "deathcap name plague_fungus n_rpl" 13:03:02 <|amethyst> %??deathcap name plague_fungus n_rpl spells:miasma_breath.80.natural 13:03:06 unknown monster: "death cap name plague_fungus n_rpl" 13:03:06 <|amethyst> %??death cap name plague_fungus n_rpl spells:miasma_breath.80.natural 13:03:11 <|amethyst> doh 13:03:16 plague fungus (13f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 40-66 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 3313(confuse) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 625 | Sp: miasma breath (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 13:03:16 <|amethyst> %??deathcap name:plague_fungus n_rpl spells:miasma_breath.80.natural 13:03:25 rip 13:04:10 <|amethyst> I guess a "plaque fungus" would be one of the things a death tooth summons 13:04:49 curse tooth 13:04:56 <|amethyst> err, right 13:05:34 eventually we'll have cursed forms of every limb and organ. If you get the right set of them on screen at once, they voltron together into 'a cursed human', who promptly dies. 13:07:20 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:35 back! 13:07:53 Do you guys think we can settle the doors? 13:08:16 time to 13:08:18 close the door 13:08:20 on the discussion? 13:08:36 perhaps it is a revolving door! 13:08:40 <|amethyst> I think an option, with the original behaviour as default, is the most reasonable 13:08:47 |amethyst: I am fine with that. 13:09:00 When we get to 0.17 we can experiment with other things like close-on-retreat or brogue doors, I think. 13:09:04 |amethyst: +1 13:09:13 But for now, the option seems like the best, uh, option. 13:09:17 But it was good we talked abou it :) 13:09:41 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:59 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:10:53 curious, what is the door issue 13:11:22 <|amethyst> simmarine: what should happen when you press C with one door adjacent 13:11:28 ah 13:11:30 <|amethyst> simplicity vs consistency 13:11:36 i believe the new solution is better for consistency yes 13:11:39 <|amethyst> s/simplicity/ease-of-use/ 13:11:45 that being said, years of muscle memory disagrees 13:12:57 also fix doorscumming! do what most roguelikes do and let monsters open+move same turn 13:12:58 we had something similar with "cc" for "chop and yes" 13:13:34 simmarine: hm, that looks like a reasonable way out. Wasn't aware of "most roguelikes" :) 13:13:36 do most roguelikes do that 13:13:47 okay maybe the ones ive played do that! 13:14:05 and it might be unfair to say most when some of those are angband and its variants 13:15:05 dpeg is just trying to make sure you aren't committing argument ad nethack 13:15:09 0.16: monsters now employ a new foot-in-the-door policy. 13:15:46 wheals: you know that Nethack is about to unearth itself? The dead are coding... 13:15:52 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:05 i wouldn't hold my breath :) 13:16:28 wheals: I've heard they have scheduled 3.6 for June 2020. 13:16:29 simmarine: I did suggest not letting people close doors at all... 13:16:36 reports of zombie izchak coding are slightly exaggerated 13:16:42 elliptic: fcrawl-style 13:16:43 would solve all of these problems :P 13:16:51 elliptic: but closing doors is cool! 13:16:58 * dpeg is a door knob. 13:17:08 s/cool/annoying to remember which monsters can open doors/ 13:17:23 manticore (05H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 37-62 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 26, 14, 14 | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 526 | Sp: throw barbs (2d13) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 13:17:23 %??manticore 13:17:26 aw 13:17:33 just close the door. if they can open it then they can open doors 13:17:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:40 !learn add dpeg * dpeg is a door knob. 13:17:41 dpeg[13/13]: * dpeg is a door knob. 13:17:58 simmarine: yes this is what I usually do... but what if the monster isn't at the door yet?? 13:18:03 guess we need a door knob icon on monsters who know the art of the door... 13:18:06 also sometimes even if they can open the door I keep closing it 13:18:16 elliptic: the creaky door cost!!! 13:18:17 then it's a battle of will 13:18:20 get rid of doors 13:18:25 green ugly thing (03u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 51-80 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1708(poison:24-48) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 554 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:18:25 %??ugly thing 13:18:29 replace all doors with door mimics 13:18:37 bhaak: doors are good for something. Even Nethack has them! 13:18:38 like why can ugly things open doors 13:18:40 oh yeah, someone was gonna remove door-opening on those guys 13:18:42 doy maybe 13:18:47 there was a conversation about it 13:18:48 remove doors, they're nethackish 13:19:08 wheals: yes 13:19:10 they are just an antiquated means of limiting FOV because computers weren't fast enough 13:19:28 bhaak: that's a pretty shoddy excuse :) 13:20:09 I concur w/ |amethyst that the original behavior as default + an option to toggle is the best solution 13:20:39 Lasty_: yes, seems like we could go with this. 13:21:17 sadpeg: How low have I sunk? Trading interface for new options. 13:21:29 -!- Leissi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:49 The Melancholy Of D. Peg 13:27:10 can i leave doors ajar so monsters can open them but not see through them? :P 13:28:04 Zannick: what if it's a glass jar, though? 13:28:07 can i close a door and then inscribe it with runes? 13:28:28 "Don't dragon open inside"? 13:29:27 sure, but it'll only do anything if you engrave "elbereth" 13:30:07 -!- ruwin has quit [] 13:31:39 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:56 that's so conventional, let's do "gilthoniel" instead 13:32:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3744-g27642d2: Revert "Don't open or close doors without asking for a direction" 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27642d294600 13:32:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3745-gef81fe6: Make single-door open/close prompts optional. 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef81fe6bb014 13:32:23 Tolkein Hipsterism 13:32:39 <|amethyst> engrave "edlothiol" to protect yourself from webtiles chat trolls 13:32:59 ??tolkien hipsters 13:33:00 I don't have a page labeled tolkien_hipsters in my learndb. 13:33:45 |amethyst: many thanks! 13:34:15 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:36:01 * geekosaur thought tolkien hipsters engraved "Legolas" 13:43:14 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:45:57 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:45:59 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:02 <|amethyst> Psh, I was hanging out at Eagle and Child before the masses showed up and ruined it 13:46:22 <|amethyst> s/Eag/The Eag/ 13:47:45 oops 13:48:02 well, I guess someone can review this, now that I accidentally pushed it 13:48:15 New branch created: destack_evokers (1 commit) 13:48:15 03PleasingFungus02 07[destack_evokers] * 0.16-a0-3744-g5804404: Make evokers (dis)charge globally per-type 10(6 minutes ago, 13 files, 62+ 185-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5804404be5ba 13:48:18 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:38 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:57 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:49:17 probably gonna push this in a moment unless there are any problems (I actually meant to push it to master, forgot i was on a branch) 13:49:20 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:51:14 is there a way in the .rc LUA to check if I'm safe from invisible creatures? the game seems to keep track of them seeing how it de- and reactivates autopickup, but it's not included in you.feel_safe(), which can be really dangerous for automated actions. right now, I'm checking for all messages that relate to invisible things, but I imagine that's a bit of stress for the server to do continuously. 13:51:59 <|amethyst> could check for the pickup de/re-activation messages maybe? 13:52:13 <|amethyst> maybe elliptic knows some tech 13:53:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3746-g79ff3ed: Add an overlooked boring word 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79ff3ed5f34d 13:54:38 options.autopick_on tells you whether autopickup is currently enabled 13:54:48 I do that as well, problem is that only happens once. I'd have to theoretically go back through the full message history every time or risk "forgetting" about invisible creatures even if they keep hitting me. 13:55:08 elliptic, but that doesn't tell you if it was deactivated due to invisible creatures or manually 13:55:13 yes 13:55:26 if you are ever manually deactivating autopickup then it won't help (but why would you do that) 13:55:39 but OK, if that information isn't exposed, I'll just have to keep checking and trecking messages and hope the server isn't stressed too much 13:55:47 the information is exposed 13:55:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, what about existing debt on transfer? I guess it goes to zero? 13:56:25 <|amethyst> the exposed information can be wrong though 13:56:30 pikaro: the internal state is not very sophisticated. when something goes invisible, or hits/beams you when invisible, autopickup turns off. when you get sInv or kill an invisible thing, autopickup turns on. 13:56:46 PleasingFungus: that's not quite true, autopickup invisibly has 3 states 13:57:05 PleasingFungus, but I was under the impression that if there are multiple invisible things, then you have to kill the _last_ one? 13:57:10 PleasingFungus: off because of invisible monster, off because of player turning it off, on 13:57:13 pikaro: no 13:57:15 |amethyst: I don't touch or interact with old debt; save compat for that doesn't seem well-defined 13:57:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so everything goes back to charged this once? 13:57:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: doesn't seem so bad 13:57:40 ya 13:57:52 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you.props[*prop_name].get_int() does insert if it wasn't already there? 13:57:57 <|amethyst> I assume it does, like map 13:58:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:29 elliptic, oh alright, then it seems I just misinterpreted some things and assumed the internal mechanism was more complex than it is... 13:58:33 seems to in testing 13:58:38 pikaro: if it worked like you did then it would leak information 13:58:56 because the player often can't be sure whether there are one or two invisible monsters 13:59:07 s/you did/you thought/ 13:59:14 elliptic, hm yeah, that seems logical 13:59:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ah, yes, CrawlHashTable and CrawlStoreValue do the right things there 13:59:46 the internal stuff isn't very smart, yeh. I have seen it get confused by e.g. 2 invisible monsters, invis falling down a shaft, etc. 14:00:13 it's a very dumb mechanism that manages to get by, since it's correct in the most common cases 14:00:14 <|amethyst> invis creature dying to your skeletons OOS... 14:00:17 geekosaur: well, it certainly would leak information if autopickup knew when an invis monster fell down a shaft 14:00:30 not if the shaft was visible, I think 14:00:33 at least if you can't see the shaft, yeah 14:00:54 <|amethyst> I think we *do* leak such information if it was a unique, don't we? 14:00:56 <|amethyst> in ctrl-o 14:01:07 |amethyst: possibly, I don't know how unique annotations work 14:01:08 if it does then it's recent 14:01:36 because I had Sigmund fall down a shaft in my sight once and ctrl-o kept him on the original level until I ran into him again 14:01:38 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:01:54 (and I thought about it and decided there wasn't really a sane way to handle it) 14:03:36 <|amethyst> maybe I'm mistaken 14:03:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:30 (then again maybe there is code for it and my observation means there's a flipped conditional >.> ) 14:05:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:05:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I would consider making debt_map nonlocal so is_xp_evoker can check that 14:06:21 good thought 14:06:23 will do 14:06:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that way there aren't two things to keep in sync, and it more or less obviates that // fr: 14:08:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3747-g01e76aa: Make evokers (dis)charge globally per-type 10(26 minutes ago, 13 files, 62+ 185-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e76aa5368c 14:12:52 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:13:21 also I've been having my maps be non-const, since I had the impression that lookup modified them 14:13:23 but apparently that's not so 14:13:26 so I feel pretty silly 14:13:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3748-g528d1d6: Deduplicate xp evoker code (|amethyst) 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 18+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=528d1d676010 14:16:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: operator[] does modify them, but ::find does not 14:16:55 -!- olourkin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:16:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:17:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: C++11 has a const .at, which throws an exception if it wasn't found 14:17:43 <|amethyst> but we don't use exceptions much 14:17:52 <|amethyst> s/\.at/::at/ 14:18:12 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:01 I have no idea if they're still expensive or w/e 14:22:03 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:09 -!- rax has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:24:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I doubt it matters enough for our purposes, and it highly depends on compiler and settings anyway 14:25:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but usually I don't like having to catch an exception if I'm going to handle it locally anyway, which is why map_find uses ::find instead of ::at + try/catch 14:25:09 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: well, okay, that's not *really* why I wrote it that way (I didn't realise ::at existed when I wrote it), but that's why I wouldn't change it now 14:26:13 heh 14:26:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but I guess in a case where you're going to assert anyway it would be just as reasonable to have an uncaught exception 14:27:07 <|amethyst> (unless that messes up our stack traces: haven't checked) 14:27:48 probably a good side project to investigate at some point 14:27:57 nonurgent 14:28:08 i can only think of a single place in the code where we use exceptions 14:28:58 in fact, for a long time i didn't realise C++ had exceptions :D 14:29:24 heh 14:30:01 that's an exceptionally long time 14:30:23 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:33:25 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:22 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 14:40:46 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:10 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:21 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:47:39 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:48:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:48:51 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:02 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:22 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:22 The build has errored. (master - ef81fe6 #1616 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/47958844 14:54:22 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:56:59 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:01:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:01:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:38 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 15:17:07 be nice if travis could figure out when *it's* what failed... 15:17:28 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:08 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:40 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:20:41 <|amethyst> we use exceptions in a few places 15:22:39 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:49 <|amethyst> besides various parsing stuff that throws strings as exceptions [:(], we have dgn_veto_exception + map_load_exception in mapgen, and short_read_exception + ext_fail_exception + corrupted_save in file/tag code 15:23:29 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:23:40 <|amethyst> oh, and the game_ended_condition thrown by saving and dying 15:24:31 <|amethyst> but those aren't things that change all that often (except dgn_veto_exception, which I guess is what wheals was talking about) 15:24:37 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:26:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:35 -!- rockygargoyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:31 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:06 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 15:33:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:35:40 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:39:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:41 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3749-g20dbed2: Fix "100% success" hexes failing sometimes. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20dbed2b8e51 15:47:50 !shrikekills 15:47:51 61. araganzar the Acrobat (L23 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a caustic shrike on Depths:2 (grunt_twisty_corner) on 2015-01-22 21:04:54, with 478863 points after 82257 turns and 7:42:04. 15:48:11 %git :/[sS]hrike 15:48:11 07Lasty02 * 0.16-a0-3696-gd4fb522: Increase caustic shrike hd 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4fb5226fc6d 15:48:23 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm 15:48:58 !shrikekills start>2015-01-18 15:48:58 3. Kramin the Pyromancer (L24 DECj of Sif Muna), slain by a caustic shrike zombie on Depths:2 (evilmike_negative_zone) on 2015-01-22 02:43:30, with 518907 points after 82566 turns and 6:44:30. 15:48:59 <|amethyst> elliptic: wonder how tricky it would be to generalise those two into one function 15:49:45 !shrikekills start>2015-01-01 start<2015-01-18 15:49:46 9. araganzar the Acrobat (L23 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a caustic shrike on Depths:2 (grunt_twisty_corner) on 2015-01-22 21:04:54, with 478863 points after 82257 turns and 7:42:04. 15:50:01 <|amethyst> elliptic: hex_success_chance and _get_true_fail_rate that is 15:50:25 woo, shrike kills per day up 50% 15:50:35 based on a gigantic sample size <.< >.> 15:51:18 |amethyst: right... just add a general function returning the chance of random2avg(a,b) > c 15:51:23 certainly could be done 15:52:55 <|amethyst> hm, what would be the name for the generalised _tetrahedaral_number? simplicial_number? 15:53:52 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 15:54:49 it's just a binomial coefficient 15:55:21 e.g. _tetrahedral_number(n) = binomial(n+2,3) 15:56:42 <|amethyst> yeah, just after I said that I stepped away from the keyboard and realised "oh, yeah, 'choose'" :) 15:57:40 <|amethyst> we do already have a 'binomial' that means something else (sample from a binomial distribution) 16:01:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:04:23 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05:37 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:06:10 Jiyva is angered by simulacrum residual clouds hurting slimes 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9427 by Zooty 16:08:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:13:35 ugh, that bug report 16:15:05 -!- Joe__ has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:07 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:08 !messages 16:18:09 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (16h 9m 18s ago): fixed your triple sword brainless bug :) 16:18:24 !tell pleasingfungus oh if I had realized that was actually considered a bug I would have reported it. sorry 16:18:25 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:18:57 it's aight 16:19:57 funnily (?), there was code for warning you if you put on or removed jewellery that would end with you being stat-zeroed, or if you wielded a weapon that would stat-zero you 16:20:03 but unwielding weapons, specifically, was overlooked 16:20:08 I wonder if armour is handled 16:21:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, I can confirm that jellies dying by wandering into clouds that came from friendly simulacra does in fact give you penance 16:21:56 rip 16:23:10 stat armour is handled correctly, but further testing shows that the game will not warn you when switching from a +stat item to a -stat item in such a way that you'll become brainless 16:23:51 (like, from +6 int to -6 int when at 11 current int / 5 base int) 16:23:58 this will never happen but at some point I may try to fix it 16:23:59 <|amethyst> (not sure where to draw the line though: what if you start a forest fire? DS miasma farts?) 16:26:04 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:30:02 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:52 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:35:18 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:06 aw, evokers are getting super nerfed :(( 16:43:52 what happened to them? 16:44:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:36 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:44:39 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:32 can only carry one 16:47:30 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:45 chequers: that's not quite right 16:47:46 %git 01e76aa 16:47:47 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3747-g01e76aa: Make evokers (dis)charge globally per-type 10(3 hours ago, 13 files, 62+ 185-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e76aa5368c 16:48:00 oh, that's not your end-goal? 16:48:52 <|amethyst> it's not that you *can't* 16:48:53 what 16:49:01 <|amethyst> just that it doesn't help to do so 16:49:35 six of one 16:50:10 the way you phrased it was kinda misleading, that's all. 16:50:22 <|amethyst> I think it's more a nerf to inventory slots than to evokers :) 16:50:38 different implications wrt picking up & dropping evokers 16:51:18 <|amethyst> hm, so now does the timer charge up even if you're not carrying that evoker? 16:51:29 it doesn't 16:51:43 don't want to encourage people to drop them 16:54:21 PleasingFungus: oh! you did it. you nerfed them 16:54:25 you nerfed them good 16:54:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:26 !nerf gammafunk 16:54:27 * Sequell nerfs gammafunk!!! 16:54:36 !dragonscall Grunt 16:54:36 gammafunk calls out to the draconic realm, and the dragon horde roars back! The golden dragon tramples Grunt!!! x3 16:54:41 !tornado gammafunk 16:54:41 Grunt gestures wildly while chanting. A great vortex of air appears and lifts Grunt up! gammafunk is engulfed in raging winds. 16:54:50 !banish grunt 16:54:51 rockygargoyle_ casts a spell. grunt is cast into the Abyss! 16:54:56 thx 16:54:58 * Grunt escapes from the Abyss! 16:55:00 !firestorm rockygargoyle_ 16:55:01 Grunt points at rockygargoyle_ and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs rockygargoyle_! 16:55:32 good thing I got that win in before the nerf 16:55:40 my stack of 4 fans of gales and 2 phials of floods 16:55:50 -!- booly-yam-5194__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:56:30 yeah, evokers are pretty great at creating meat shield walls even with 0 evocation by endgame, since you find so many 16:57:07 well ordinary summons do that, but if you do train reasonable evocations.... 16:57:23 Lasty said it well: phial of floods is like lcs *with* summons 16:58:53 someone said on tavern that horn of geryon with high evo is his preferred way of taking out oof 16:58:57 which tbh I hadn't thought of 16:59:45 neither had I 16:59:45 really not worth killing geryon, but I can understand the appeal 16:59:45 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:59:47 now I want to try it 16:59:54 hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 7 | HP: 40-96 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 617 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 16:59:54 %??hell_beast 17:00:02 er 17:00:10 huh, they don't resist fire at all? 17:00:39 -!- abixa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1] 17:00:50 hrm, I guess they do hit hard enough at, what average speed 13.5 17:01:09 they don't even have much hp or AC 17:01:15 how would they ever survive an OoF? 17:01:25 well I guess you'd use it and get like 4 or 5 17:01:36 and could do some primary melee 17:01:38 and hope it doesn't fireball them all away :D 17:01:46 and one oof would mostly recharge it 17:01:55 how much does it take to recharge? 17:02:08 yeah I don't know exactly 17:02:23 isn't it based on your xl? 17:02:29 ??elemental_evoker 17:02:29 elemental evoker[1/1]: The four miscellaneous evocable objects related to the four elements. Each carries one "charge", gets better as your evocation skill rises, and "recharges" as the player gains XP with them in their possession. See {lamp of fire}, {fan of gales}, {stone of tremors}, and {phial of floods}. 17:02:36 I think so 17:03:56 int xp_factor = max(min((int)exp_needed(you.experience_level+1, 0) * 2 / 7, 17:04:11 unforgivable inconsistent use of spaces in math operations!!!!! 17:05:03 oh but it's 2/7 of the xp needed for your next xl 17:05:11 so yeah based on your xl 17:05:39 <|amethyst> also based on evo 17:05:50 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:51 <|amethyst> / (3 + you.skill_rdiv(SK_EVOCATIONS, 2, 13)) 17:08:07 yeah 17:08:52 <|amethyst> though actually 17:09:05 <|amethyst> it stops growing at XL 10 17:09:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:33 <|amethyst> err 17:09:38 <|amethyst> sorry, wasn't doing the 2/7 17:09:59 <|amethyst> XL 12 17:10:46 <|amethyst> at exp_needed(12,0)*2/7 is 5249, and the cap (= 12*425) is 5100 17:10:56 <|amethyst> s/at // 17:11:45 <|amethyst> and the lower bound of XL*4 + 30 is crossed at XL 6 17:11:45 yeah and it should be said 17:11:54 that this calc is the amount of 1 out of 10 units required 17:11:56 to recharge it 17:12:00 <|amethyst> so it actually only scales from XL 6 to 12 17:12:29 <|amethyst> oh 17:12:33 <|amethyst> I was missing the +1 17:12:39 <|amethyst> so shift those numbers a bit 17:12:43 -!- Hurricos has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:07 Silly issue with leaving statform :L 17:13:18 (while wearing hp+ artes) 17:13:29 <|amethyst> but it's still a narrowish range of levels, even if it is a hundredfold increase in XP 17:13:29 would be kind of nice if you could see maybe a % till recharge 17:13:46 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:47 it does break it into 10 units, after all 17:14:07 <|amethyst> Hurricos: what version? 17:14:10 so I guess they'd have to be 0 10 20 ... 90% on this indication 17:14:16 Current git 17:14:35 that is, current trunk, I guess 17:14:44 <|amethyst> %git 05dc7d7f 17:14:44 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3708-g05dc7d7: Remove death from -hp artefacts &/ rot 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=05dc7d7f3530 17:15:03 Different - having to do with transformations while wearing +hps 17:15:35 <|amethyst> oh, I see 17:15:46 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:05 giving an example: 17:16:22 Base form -> Statform in my case melds a HP-9 item 17:16:46 199/236 -> 318/318 17:16:50 (??) 17:16:54 Then, leaving statform at that time 17:17:09 goes to 236/236 17:17:15 .... I didn't notice that one 17:17:19 o_O 17:18:36 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:37 The build passed. (destack_evokers - 5804404 #1617 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/47960858 17:18:37 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 17:18:37 Then, 175/237 (just gained some Fighting) -> ... 17:18:53 175/237 -> 307/319 17:19:07 <|amethyst> ah 17:19:17 <|amethyst> yeah, I can reproduce that 17:19:35 then 17:19:37 going 307->319 17:19:44 is correct 17:19:49 177/237 17:19:55 (two turns of relatively high regen rate) 17:20:03 -!- TZer0 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 17:21:26 "rMut blocks mutations from eating purple. the only reason you would ever eat purple meat is to try to intentionally mutate yourself. As a result, I have to take off my "rMut when I play roulette and put it back on every time. 17:22:07 I'm not sure if there's an interaction here between rMut (independent of amulet) and halflings or mutation resistance .. mutation and eating purple meat 17:22:17 @brannock not 100% sure, but iirc rMut only blocks against gain of muts, right? 17:22:29 if there is, then I can see why the behavior with the amulet exists 17:22:51 As an example, if you have a bad mutset 17:23:00 wear rMut and just draw an entire deck of changes 17:23:17 You'll get a couple helixes. 67% of helix cards remove a mutation 17:23:28 helixes go through rmut 17:23:29 purple meat doesn't 17:23:36 I in fact was trying to get rid of some bad muts via roulette 17:23:41 and ran into this tedium issue 17:24:27 Huh. In the past only helix remove went through rMut 17:24:40 I'm not familiar with the intracities 17:24:45 I did draw a helix and it ate one mut 17:24:50 didn't add anything, but sample size 17:25:22 Yeah; around half chance that that was actually the right card activation 17:25:48 <|amethyst> Hurricos: re the statue form thing, post a bug report about it, with the numbers you quoted 17:25:59 Link? 17:26:05 <|amethyst> ??mantis 17:26:05 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 17:26:09 Thank you 17:26:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:57 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3749-g20dbed2 (34) 17:29:07 -!- Kasofa has quit [Client Quit] 17:32:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:34:22 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:09 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:22 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:38:37 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:25 -!- muravey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:42:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:44:02 -!- olourkin has quit [Client Quit] 17:47:56 Irregular HP scaling when melding HP+/- armour into Statue Form 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9428 by Hurricos 17:50:01 -!- cykeltillsalu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:52:32 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:12 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:05:53 btw, PleasingFungus, have you remembered why it's a bad idea to do multipass randart prop assignment? 18:06:18 18:06:29 -!- Zeia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:13 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:07:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:07:53 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:46 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:20 I don't remember anything at all 18:14:22 in general 18:14:23 who am 18:14:25 I 18:14:37 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 18:15:13 everyone stop looking at PleasingFungus, then he might remember 18:15:21 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:49 Thinking of Maud, PleasingFungus forgot all else! 18:18:10 -!- Ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:19 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:25 * geekosaur suddenly wonders if Maud has any lines about whack-ass adventurers thinking about her all the time... 18:21:14 everyone is thinking about Maud all the time, they just forget about it 18:22:41 maudlin sentimentality... 18:23:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:34:11 -!- Sczcya has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:43 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:39:43 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:18 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45:33 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:18 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:23 -!- ruwin has quit [] 18:50:26 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:54:55 -!- roctavian has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:56 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:57:28 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 18:59:30 -!- Ket has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:57 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:06 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:03:14 PleasingFungus: I've read about fungi on wikipedia, and I don't think you actually have neurons, so I understand why you might not remember 19:03:30 * PleasingFungus ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 19:03:49 (this is all I'm gonna send from now on) 19:03:57 lotta scrolls 19:03:58 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypha 19:04:05 why is there fungus on this keyboard? 19:04:12 <|amethyst> They're basically all neurons underneath 19:04:22 <|amethyst> morphologcially anyway 19:04:32 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:15 <|amethyst> hm, maybe in other ways http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25421970 19:05:21 -!- Sczcya has left ##crawl-dev 19:05:46 I guess neuron's morphology does come from something pretty basic like that in evolutionary history in terms of cells with filamentous structure 19:06:05 PleasingFungus is the final form of fungus 19:07:01 <|amethyst> http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/188/a/1/mycon___uqm_hd_version_by_kwayne64-d3l9dva.jpg 19:07:10 -!- serq has quit [Quit: und weg...] 19:07:13 I clicked that, but I hope it's not porn 19:07:21 <|amethyst> only for PF 19:07:56 that was a good game. 19:08:31 is that a rock it's sitting on, or does it just have a big butt? 19:09:02 I think it's growing into the rock but not sure 19:09:11 kvaak: I bet your eyes jumped right to that didn't they you perv 19:09:11 (out of the rock?) 19:09:30 gammafunk: well my first thought was that it'd probably taste good if fried with butter 19:09:55 I guess the lava does make one think of cooking tbf 19:10:40 and... oregano 19:11:05 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:11:10 i really, really like basil 19:11:24 i could just like, put basil on bread, and eat it all day 19:11:38 oregano is good too dont get me wrong 19:11:39 !nick spicerack 19:11:39 Mapping spicerack => basil sage thyme mint allspice oregano tarragon rosemary 19:11:43 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:11:48 ?/nice rack 19:11:48 Matching entries (1): Basil[12]: nice rack 19:12:17 -!- Dunsworth has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:13:01 are the CDO ttyrecs still potentially recoverable? 19:15:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:39 so 19:15:41 question 19:15:45 how did cekugob come to be 19:16:07 probably a cat walked on a keyboard 19:16:16 it's a randart mimic 19:16:30 a lot of the "original" unrands are/were kind of weird like that 19:18:27 e.g. i dont think anybody knows why finisher exists 19:18:42 or the old spear of voo-doo 19:20:55 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:59 buff scythes 19:26:27 i had an idea for finisher once i think, but i forget what it was 19:28:54 give finisher to sigmund randomly 19:29:22 fun fact: if sigmund finds a scythe on the floor he may replace his starting scythe with it 19:29:28 so sigmund with finisher is theoretically possible to encounter 19:29:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:04 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:10 as far as I can tell, no one has ever been killed by sigmund holding an unrand scythe 19:30:21 yes, that is true 19:30:28 sad 19:30:28 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:51 or any artefact scythe at all in fact 19:31:08 60 deaths to scythe of orc slaying though 19:32:00 no 19:32:44 er wrong window 19:32:50 minmay: CDO ttyrecs are gone, deleted 19:33:09 ex-ttyrecs? 19:33:18 thanks 19:33:40 Any other server admin who wants to delete their ttyrecs should offload them to shalott.org instead :) 19:34:08 * greensnark still has >1TB free space 19:34:17 That's not counting the 850G on / 19:35:02 <_miek> damn that's a shame 19:35:27 !lg * sebi 100000 -ttyrec 19:35:28 No keyword 'sebi' 19:35:31 !lg sebi 100000 -ttyrec 19:35:37 100000/105641. Sebi, XL1 DEEn, T:229: https://termcast.shalott.org/ttyrecs/crawl.develz.org/ttyrec/Sebi/2011-02-01.21:13:54.ttyrec.bz2 19:36:11 ooh good, this historic ttyrec was preserved 19:36:39 Only the finest ttyrecs are hosted on shalott.org 19:36:55 Hand-picked and kettle-cooked in small batches 19:37:22 Failed to fetch game: 19:37:23 Sebi, L1 DEEn, D:3 19:37:32 the ttyrec is there, but ^ 19:37:56 perhaps it is still looking on CDO? 19:38:08 !lg sebi 100000 -tv 19:38:09 100000/105641. Sebi, XL1 DEEn, T:229 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:38:47 Oh weird 19:40:10 FooTV has some caching issues 19:40:37 !lg sebi 100000 -tv 19:40:38 100000/105641. Sebi, XL1 DEEn, T:229 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:42:17 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarch] 19:42:28 Oh 19:42:32 The bug is in Sequell, not FooTV 19:42:42 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42:43 !lg sebi 100000 x=start,end 19:42:44 100000/105641. [start=2011-09-04 18:25:52 [20110804182552S];end=2011-09-04 18:27:59 [20110804182759S]] Sebi the Vexing (L1 DEEn), slain by a kobold on D:3 on 2011-09-04 18:27:59, with 22 points after 229 turns and 0:02:07. 19:42:51 ^^ That ttyrec is gone 19:43:00 greensnark: did you hear about that issue with the raz-whathisname guy? 19:43:07 gammafunk: Yes, fixed that 19:43:11 oh, great 19:43:22 Some nulls got into the banisher_id column during the cutover 19:43:27 disregard me completely then! 19:43:45 ah, so it was the fault of.....PleasingFungus.... 19:43:45 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:45 The build passed. (master - 20dbed2 #1620 : elliptic): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/47974076 19:43:45 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:46:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:47:03 you made him quit.... 19:47:14 rip..... 19:47:31 rrriiippp 19:47:35 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:40 I'd blame him again!!! 19:47:52 gggaaammmmmmaaafffuuunnnkkk 19:48:12 <|amethyst> 5/5 would blame again 19:48:15 !animate PleasingFungus 19:48:42 !send Grunt !animate 19:48:43 Sending !animate to Grunt. 19:49:07 such are the immature, childish antics of those like me who are jealous of the Commit Kings.... 19:50:20 emperor committers 19:50:37 %git :/contrib 19:50:39 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-3800-g41d85ff: Update the javascript contrib libraries 10(4 days ago, 17 files, 19661+ 17132-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41d85ff51f70 19:50:46 man look at those +/- 19:50:55 when that gets merged, who'll be laughing then... 19:51:40 my 14.4k modem, you insensitive clod! 19:52:02 chequers: but it's minified with your favorite! NODE.js!!! 19:52:34 kill me now, in fact get a time machine and kill me before i read that 19:52:44 dang 19:53:09 1learn add javascript 19:53:18 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 19:54:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:32 what's this about nulls and banishers 19:54:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:43 !lg * current trunk banisher!= s=banisher 19:54:45 94 games for * (current trunk banisher!=): 12x Erolcha, 9x Psyche, 8x Louise, 8x an orc, 6x Sonja, 6x a deep elf demonologist, 4x a distortion unwield, 4x the power of Zot, 3x an orc warrior, 3x Sigmund, 3x a kobold, 3x a deep elf sorcerer, 2x a wizard, 2x the severe capriciousness of Xom, Jabberwocky's ghost, a ghostly deep elf sorcerer, an orc wizard, Joseph, a lich, Rupert, a trident of distort... 19:54:54 huh, joseph 19:55:04 PleasingFungus: turns out that weird guy we couldn't query was due to that milestone thing you added, indirectly 19:55:05 <|amethyst> qstaff of disto I imagine 19:55:08 but the snark fixed it 19:55:16 |amethyst: imagine: sling of distortion.... 19:55:30 oh, what can I do with that milestone btw? 19:55:34 that i couldn't do before? 19:55:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: sling of dispersal 19:56:05 Quite Powerful 19:56:21 gammafunk: not a new milestone, a new field 19:57:08 hrm 19:57:23 !lm . br.enter=abyss 19:57:24 No milestones for gammafunk (br.enter=abyss). 19:57:30 !lm . banish 19:57:31 No keyword 'banish' 19:57:34 er 19:57:39 !lm . banishment 19:57:39 No keyword 'banishment' 19:57:42 dangit! 19:57:51 !lm gammafunk abyss.enter 19:57:52 73. [2015-01-19 06:30:12] gammafunk the Cleaver (L10 HOAs of Zin) is cast into the Abyss! (Erolcha) (D:9) 19:57:54 ah 19:58:04 is it (Erolcha) then? 19:58:38 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:58:42 I think they both use the same string 19:58:43 yes 20:00:11 clever 20:00:23 !lg * banisher~~xom 20:00:24 3. silentsnack the Destroyer (L13 OpWz of Xom), mangled by a spatial maelstrom on Abyss:4 on 2015-01-21 19:46:45, with 31469 points after 23298 turns and 1:16:17. 20:00:31 rip 20:00:32 rip 20:00:37 oh I see 20:00:56 -!- Brannock is now known as Brannock_ 20:01:02 you could do that with the milestone, it'd just require some joins, I think 20:01:13 ah, does that field get back-populated somehow? 20:01:18 n 20:01:22 ok 20:01:24 would be a fun project, maybe 20:01:50 fun...interest...optimal....battlemage 20:02:19 gammafunk: is HESu a fighter or a mag 20:02:19 e 20:02:42 may I use the terms berder-mage and berder-fighter? 20:04:08 BERTTLEMAGE 20:04:09 berder-mage sounds like a powerful hybrid 20:05:03 half of the time you magic, half of the time you berd 20:07:40 berds ftw 20:07:58 unknown monster: "berd" 20:07:58 %??berd 20:08:07 unknown monster: "wheals" 20:08:07 %??wheals 20:08:17 rename magic to "technique". you use the singularity technique!!! 20:08:39 I think they sell that in airport bookstores 20:08:45 <_miek> !lm honeybadger s=noun fmt:"${n_x} {.}" gid=$(!lm honeybadger sacrifice x=gid fmt:"${x[0]}") 20:08:46 34 milestones for honeybadger (gid=honeybadger:cao:20150022233304S): 2x {.}, 2x {.}, 2x {.}, 2x {.}, 2x {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.}, {.} 20:08:51 <_miek> whoops wrong channel 20:08:57 what on earth 20:09:04 <_miek> sorry 20:09:04 _miek: are you a witch 20:09:06 a sequell witch 20:09:12 (warlock???) 20:09:29 <_miek> I'm going to tentatively say yes? 20:09:34 -!- halberd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:46 needs more $ 20:09:50 FR: technomancy spell school 20:09:51 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 20:10:02 oh oh rename evocations to technomancy yes this is a good idea 20:10:13 more like DREKNOMANCY 20:10:20 BOOM 20:10:20 EVOCATIONS STATUS: BURNED 20:11:43 ack 20:12:00 oh PleasingFungus now that you're here, what's your opinion on "rMut preventing mutation roulette? 20:12:04 as in, eating purple 20:12:07 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:23 I skimmed that earlier 20:12:33 it seems clearly incorrect; rMut doesn't protect against benemut, after all 20:12:52 does halfling innate rmut protect against benemut? 20:13:25 I have no idea 20:13:28 maybe 20:14:06 I assume halfling resistance works the same as the mutation resistance mut 20:14:23 it's the same thing, yes 20:14:38 loooks like it does protect against benemut, yes 20:14:41 (the rmut mut) 20:15:17 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19:34 halfling resistance is literally mut res mut 1 20:19:39 to be clear 20:19:59 (fr: rHalfling) 20:25:12 !lg . 20:25:13 2559. gammafunk the Summoner (L12 HESu of Sif Muna), mangled by a raven (called by a spriggan druid) on Swamp:5 on 2015-01-23 02:06:02, with 16092 points after 8113 turns and 1:36:31. 20:25:20 rekd 20:25:22 curse you dracoomega... 20:25:26 <|amethyst> hm, someone's posting about a potential IRDC US 20:25:52 irdc? 20:26:02 <|amethyst> Int'l Roguelike Development Conference 20:26:13 <|amethyst> the main one is always in Europe 20:30:05 posting where? 20:32:39 ! 20:32:49 Grunt: you don't live in the US 20:32:51 not invited 20:33:23 rip... 20:34:01 -!- spacet has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:34:22 Grunt lives everywhere in spirit 20:35:51 someone should break down commits by country 20:36:59 The pole might take the pole 20:38:34 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39:51 need to connect through a proxy in antarctica 20:40:17 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:32 <|amethyst> http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/2tas0b/ 20:43:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:43:14 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:44:49 why don't they just call it USRDC 20:46:14 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:03 <|amethyst> Mark Johnson (URR) said he might be able to make it, that would make it international 20:47:04 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:47:14 URR? 20:47:21 <|amethyst> Ultima Ratio Regnum 20:47:44 o, I seem to see that guy posting whenever I look at r/roguelikes 20:47:47 I can't wait for that to be more of a game 20:47:50 (URR) 20:47:53 it's purty 20:48:02 -!- johnf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:27 oh yeah, |amethyst, I forgot you suggested we fix http://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2sulvj/how_do_i_drop_the_rod_of_striking_books/ 20:50:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:31 <|amethyst> man, why can't the extensive history-sim RLs ever be open-source? 20:50:38 <|amethyst> (thinking DF too) 20:50:54 <|amethyst> s/open-source/free software/ 20:50:55 do people not know about issuing commands without going to the item view screen? 20:51:09 yes 20:51:18 <|amethyst> Kramin: some people don't... the i screen commands are more discoverable 20:51:28 <|amethyst> since you don't have to go to a separate and huge help screen 20:51:29 was spectating a guy going through shoals, yesterday, who did everything by going through i -> item letter -> command 20:51:29 yeah 20:52:08 <|amethyst> I suspect most people just click, right-click, etc 20:52:28 FR mouse support online 20:52:36 <|amethyst> would be nice, yes 20:52:53 <|amethyst> I wouldn't use it, ASCII here 20:53:00 <|amethyst> but it would make webtiles more accessible 20:53:21 I wouldn't use it either 20:53:50 ideally though, the offline client would be able to connect to online games and be identicl 20:53:51 <|amethyst> (err, not in the "accessibility" sense, more like "exoteric") 20:54:35 <|amethyst> Kramin: nah, would be simpler to package Crawl in a linux vm with a webtiles server 20:54:38 I just use numpad. but I wish shift+numpad worked like shift+arrow or shift+vikeys 20:55:15 lrn2viky 20:55:29 <|amethyst> johnstein: which interface? 20:56:22 webtiles. never tried it on console 20:57:31 <|amethyst> hmm 20:58:51 <|amethyst> weird, with my terminal settings shift-numpadright and shift-numpadleft work, but not up and down 20:59:03 <|amethyst> but I can macro them and that works 21:01:23 !lg * won urune=0 x=cv 21:01:24 96. [cv=0.16-a] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:01:27 can someone explain ^ to me 21:01:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:02:02 <|amethyst> !lg * won urune=0 x=cv,src,explbr 21:02:03 96. [cv=0.16-a;src=cpo;explbr=] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:02:48 <|amethyst> .echo $(!lg * won urune=0 x=cv,src,explbr) 21:02:49 96. :id=3908016:offset=291650:game_key=Espinaca::cpo::20141028042144S:file=remote.cpo-logfile-git:alpha=true:src=cpo:explbr=:v=0.16.0-a0:cv=0.16-a:vlong=0.16-a0-2819-g0c166a1:lv=0.1:sc=0:name=Espinaca:race=Minotaur:crace=Minotaur:cls=Berserker:char=MiBe:xl=27:sk=Armour:sklev=27:title=Invulnerable:ktyp=winning:killer=:ckiller=winning:ikiller=:cikiller=:kpath=:kmod=:kaux=:ckaux=:place=D::$:br=D:lvl=... 21:03:38 <|amethyst> !lg * won urune=0 x=gid 21:03:39 96. [game_key=Espinaca:cpo:20141028042144S] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:03:41 !lg * won urune=0 -log 21:03:41 96. Espinaca, XL27 MiBe, T:111667: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Espinaca/morgue-Espinaca-20141128-111159.txt 21:03:50 <|amethyst> !lm * game_key=Espinaca:cpo:20141028042144S 21:03:50 139. [2014-11-28 11:08:20] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 21:03:53 <|amethyst> !lm * game_key=Espinaca:cpo:20141028042144S rune 21:03:54 15. [2014-11-28 11:06:07] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One) found a golden rune of Zot on turn 109603. (Tomb:3) 21:06:20 I... hm. november. 21:06:38 didn't we have bugs, twice, where rune pickups weren't being logged correctly? but that would fuck up the milestones, and those are fine. 21:06:47 <|amethyst> hm 21:08:10 <|amethyst> !lg * tmsg~~Orb! 21:08:11 68. Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:08:11 !log * game_key=Espinaca:cpo:20141028042144S 21:08:12 1. Espinaca, XL27 MiBe, T:111667: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Espinaca/morgue-Espinaca-20141128-111159.txt 21:08:13 <|amethyst> !lg * tmsg~~Orb! -2 21:08:21 67/68. hyperreid the Archmage (L23 DEEE of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb on 2011-07-17 05:07:15, with 656594 points after 75325 turns and 9:25:18. 21:08:28 <|amethyst> hm 21:08:38 !lm * game_key=Espinaca:cpo:20141028042144S rune x=urune 21:08:38 15. [2014-11-28 11:06:07] [urune=0] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One) found a golden rune of Zot on turn 109603. (Tomb:3) 21:08:49 !lm * rune urune=0 s=name 21:08:51 43403 milestones for * (rune urune=0): 2226x 78291, 828x clouded, 590x Nexos, 564x mikee, 544x Tenaya, 483x Iaido, 475x hyperbolic, 435x MarvinPA, 397x rob, 364x Grimm, 364x Stabwound, 355x Surr, 331x nht, 327x heteroy, 310x casmith789, 303x xyblor, 294x splat, 292x oxeimon, 286x daftfad, 269x itsmu, 264x uru, 262x pointless, 259x Jaeger, 257x cbus, 257x modargo, 255x Cyrus, 250x minmay, 241x DrPr... 21:09:00 !lm * rune urune=0 s=cv 21:09:02 43403 milestones for * (rune urune=0): 8024x 0.5, 6678x 0.8, 6662x 0.4, 5783x 0.7, 4347x 0.8-a, 3760x 0.3, 2655x 0.6, 1766x 0.9-a, 1444x 0.6-a, 1268x 0.2, 1001x 0.7-a, 15x 0.16-a 21:09:19 <|amethyst> !lm * rune urune=0 recent 21:09:21 15. [2014-11-28 11:06:07] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One) found a golden rune of Zot on turn 109603. (Tomb:3) 21:09:23 <|amethyst> !lm * rune urune=0 recent -2 21:09:24 14/15. [2014-11-28 10:39:04] Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One) found a fiery rune of Zot on turn 101263. (Pan) 21:09:28 <|amethyst> !lm * rune urune=0 recent -15 21:09:35 <|amethyst> !lm * rune urune=0 recent -16 21:09:36 something about that specific game 21:09:36 1/15. [2014-11-28 06:01:14] Espinaca the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 34186. (Spider:5) 21:09:36 it was a 15-runer 21:09:37 Index out of range: -16 21:10:46 gonna call it a Weird One-Off Glitch and shrug, I guess 21:10:48 !log . won 21:10:49 24. Kramin, XL26 DEGl, T:77205: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/Kramin/morgue-Kramin-20150122-131305.txt 21:11:42 https://crawl.project357.org/dcss-logfiles-trunk in case it's useful 21:11:46 sc = score, right? 21:11:57 -!- halberd is now known as causative 21:11:58 !lg * won x=sc 21:11:59 24971. [sc=12343659] Orbitainer the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDFi of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-01-23 02:26:17, with 12343659 points after 133398 turns and 16:28:48. 21:12:10 !lg * won sc=0 21:12:10 1. Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:12:13 so it's in the log (but maybe you all figured that out already) 21:12:43 !lg * won sc!=0 min=sc 21:12:44 24970. syllogism the Farming Englaciator (L1 HEIE of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb on 2010-01-28 14:34:12, with 250008 points after 209486 turns and 21:26:39. 21:12:56 !lg * won sc!=0 min=sc won 21:12:57 24970. syllogism the Farming Englaciator (L1 HEIE of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb on 2010-01-28 14:34:12, with 250008 points after 209486 turns and 21:26:39. 21:12:59 oops 21:13:01 !lg * won sc!=0 min=sc recent 21:13:01 7785. Floodkiller the Farming Fetichist (L26 MuCK of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-11-02 01:56:49, with 1024527 points after 353269 turns and 9:25:30. 21:13:06 <|amethyst> weird 21:13:40 <|amethyst> milestones/logs/scores use runes_in_pack() to get the rune count, and that does you.runes.count() 21:14:38 <|amethyst> but the loop that prints the rune list in the mogue loops over you.runes 21:14:49 !lg * !boring xl>1 sc=0 src=cpo 21:14:49 <|amethyst> s/mog/morg/ 21:14:49 1. Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:14:53 !lg * !boring xl>1 sc=0 21:14:54 1. Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:15:01 !lm espinaca rune 1 x=vlong 21:15:01 1/15. [2014-11-28 06:01:14] [vlong=0.16-a0-2819-g0c166a1] Espinaca the Executioner (L16 MiBe of Trog) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 34186. (Spider:5) 21:15:12 !lg * won vlong=0.16-a0-2819-g0c166a1 21:15:12 1. Espinaca the Invulnerable (L27 MiBe of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb on 2014-11-28 11:11:59, with 0 points after 111667 turns and 6:02:29. 21:16:06 !lm * rune vlong=0.16-a0-2819-g0c166a1 s=name 21:16:06 15 milestones for * (rune vlong=0.16-a0-2819-g0c166a1): 15x Espinaca 21:17:08 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3750-g3c7a8b5: Remove +Twstr from generation 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c7a8b5a17e1 21:17:08 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3751-g4ba6018: Adjust stat/slaying and multi-pip resistance logic 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 95+ 98-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ba601810188 21:17:11 -!- surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17:14 pleasingfungus: ^ 21:17:23 rip 21:17:39 and with that, I can safely say that crawl is dead forever. 21:18:34 dang. 21:18:44 you guys aren't going to break everything in the next two weeks, right? 21:18:55 Of course I am! 21:19:05 because I'm running dieselrobin on trunk 21:19:12 That's how I get an advantage in DIESELROBIN -- I know what I broke 21:20:11 that's why you added shrikes during CSDC? 21:20:19 yeah, duh 21:20:20 were you in CSDC actually 21:20:22 yeah 21:20:34 as in most tournaments, I did okay but choked a fair amount 21:20:43 which is why I need the edge 21:21:55 !imprison Lasty 21:22:16 Lasty: Is there a reason you wanted to generate rF+++ artefacts? 21:22:38 we need rF--- imo 21:22:49 Also, slay+12 artefacts? 21:22:51 PleasingFungus: Why not, if it takes 3x good properties? It'll be rare, impressive, and not actually all that good. 21:23:06 PleasingFungus: slaying is capped lower than +12 21:23:15 slay+12 is defo OP 21:23:16 unless I introduced a typo 21:23:26 it's capped at 7 or 8 isn't it? 21:23:47 Lasty: I'm looking at it. It uses _should_remove_num, which checks if the value is >= 12. 21:24:20 huh. Okay, that's a mistake. Sorry. I swear I set it to a much lower max. There was some git jiggery-pokery, and apparently that didn't end up in the current draft. 21:24:24 I'll change that right now. 21:24:25 there should be an unrand slaying ring 21:24:30 with some drawback 21:24:46 There's an unrand slaying amulet. 21:24:59 like slay+8 but AC-2 EV-2 21:25:12 ??wrath of trog 21:25:12 wrath of trog[1/1]: A +8 antimagic battleaxe, makes you go berserk (50% of the time!) when you attack. Not to be confused with {trog wrath}, a far more terrifying phenomenon. Trog won't ever gift it (but Okawaru can). 21:25:20 ??bloodlust 21:25:20 necklace of bloodlust[1/1]: Cursed {amulet of rage}. +2 str, -2 int, +3 slay, MR+, -20 stealth, makes you angry (equivalent to berserkitis 3; triggers on 9% of attacks), and recurses 1 in 3 times when worn. Extends your berserk duration slightly on 50% of kills. 21:25:55 bloodlust is only +3 21:26:57 and it more for the zerking probably 21:28:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:31:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:42 Lasty: You got the math in _gen_bad_stat_artp() backwards. 21:32:26 Lasty: Also, this will always generate multiple levels of a stackable prop, unless there aren't enough 'good' properties left. 21:32:42 one_chance_in(iter) is one_chance_in(1) on the first iteration. 21:33:09 PleasingFungus: that's intended 21:33:12 that last thing 21:33:19 I see. 21:33:30 Why? 21:33:44 It's already chosen the prop, so there's a 1:1 chance of choosing to apply it once 21:33:49 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:33:56 then there's a 1:2 chance of applying it again 21:33:59 then 1:3, etc. 21:34:08 Ah, I see. 21:34:14 it won't always generate multiple levels 21:34:18 Considerably more common than before, of course. 21:34:33 When it was a 1/5 chance for a second level of resistance. 21:34:37 Hmm, I suppose that's true -- it was 1:5, before right? 21:34:50 The incrementor can be adjusted 21:34:57 I'm rewriting the whole thing right now. 21:35:00 ha 21:35:00 okay 21:35:05 As a refactoring, not a functional change. 21:35:09 That can be a second pass. 21:36:35 Also, I really think that marvinpa and others will have strong words to say about +12 stat items, even rare and with few other props. 21:36:41 but I'm not them. 21:36:58 I have to run off for now, but I'll address balance when I return 21:37:04 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3752-g7d54286: Don't generate positive stat values in _gen_bad_stat_artp() 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d54286f21d1 21:37:31 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3753-g544774d: Max slaying at +6 for randarts 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=544774d54cec 21:42:26 bug report: evoking a stack of things renders the _whole stack_ inert now (not just one), and it's only treated as a single item. almost killed me just now... 21:42:40 pikaro: Working as intended. 21:42:48 Read the item description. 21:44:40 i. e. the stacking is completely useless? 21:44:46 Yes. 21:44:53 Harmless but useless, at present. 21:44:55 I have medium-term plans. 21:45:01 great... well, thanks for explaining. 21:45:22 No problem. 21:45:26 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:33 Lasty: I thought you were gone? 21:45:45 I was able to run back to take care of a couple quick things 21:45:54 did you already push your revision? 21:46:02 Yes, and I'm about to push one other thing. 21:47:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3754-gbbc4959: Refactor new artp gen 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 60-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbc4959be6d9 21:47:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3755-gf394385: Tweak randart gen further 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f394385a2f97 21:48:05 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:48:06 2-4 per stat? 21:48:10 Yes. 21:48:24 why random2(2) instead of coinflip for slaying? 21:48:42 I don't like doing arithmetic with coinflips. 21:48:47 Coinflips produce a boolean, not an int. 21:48:49 In principle. 21:49:14 It's a conceptual cleanliness thing. 21:49:34 oh ah 21:50:10 Not something I feel incredibly strongly about, just my leaning. 21:52:29 <|amethyst> IMO also 21:53:02 <|amethyst> -2 + random2(4) for example would be easier to follow as random_range(-2, 1) 21:53:09 |amethyst: that was a bug 21:53:11 oh 21:53:20 yeah, I did fix that 21:53:21 that's still a bug? :D 21:53:23 ah 21:53:28 %git 7d54286 21:53:28 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3752-g7d54286: Don't generate positive stat values in _gen_bad_stat_artp() 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d54286f21d1 21:53:30 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 21:53:38 <|amethyst> so now random_range(-5, -2) 21:53:43 sure 21:53:44 -!- jefkin has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:53:55 okay, pushed out some odds balancing 21:53:56 I'm adding new functionality to &^Ib right now 21:54:01 now I think things are okay overnight 21:54:01 so that we can actually figure out what we've done 21:54:05 and I'm out 21:54:07 night folks 21:54:12 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:25 03Lasty02 07* 0.16-a0-3756-gc2d3f5f: Adjust odds of repeated artps 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 44+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2d3f5f7f6dd 21:54:27 %git :/evoker 21:54:28 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3748-g528d1d6: Deduplicate xp evoker code (|amethyst) 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=528d1d676010 21:54:33 sets everything on fire and walks away whistling. I admire that 21:55:03 oh, I was thinking about doing that but didn't 21:55:09 so many null fields. 21:55:10 hm. 21:56:20 what are your XP evokable plans? I always thought it was somewhat interesting to be able to spend extra slots of inv to carry an extra fan of gales or two. though it did lead to some inv issues 21:57:19 I guess the commit implies that there's hope a new use can be found 21:57:24 ya 21:57:27 there were a few things floated 21:57:30 maybe use the evoker enhances 21:57:35 enhancer 21:57:39 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:57 increased power, increased charge speed, use extra evokers as disposable one-shots. I'm not super happy with any of them 21:58:02 oh 21:58:04 which is why I pushed this without them 21:58:13 but I'm hopeful that a good idea can be found 21:58:15 those are the obvious ones for sure 21:58:15 I'm always hopeful 21:58:32 wha is particularly bad about those ideas? 21:58:34 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:58:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:01 watch this 21:59:46 johnstein: power seems like a pain to balance (they're already reasonably powerful.) charge speed is a mess; evokers are already really slow to charge earlier, and fairly fast to charge later on, when there's more xp. exacerbating that seems like a bad idea 22:00:01 disposable evokers are just confusing to explain, mostly 22:00:42 mirrors are already disposable. and seem easy to explain since they are gone after use :p should be obvious eventually 22:00:44 but ok 22:00:47 ty 22:01:16 this guy runs in to fight gloorx while brainless 22:01:21 .suspensetvreplay 22:01:22 1. HungrySpirit, XL27 MiGl, T:95585 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 22:01:22 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:01 and then gets slowed 22:02:08 well, it's weird because normally evocables are not disposable 22:02:29 oh right, mpa's objection to that (reasonable objection) was that it would probably involve a prompt 22:02:34 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:38 'are you sure you want to' etc 22:03:48 why would it need a prompt? do mirrors have a prompt? 22:04:11 well, okay 22:04:13 there's two ways this could work 22:04:24 one is that you could use up only 'extra' evocables (evocables past the first one) 22:04:37 this would avoid the need for a prompt but would be clunky to explain, If eel 22:04:37 *I feel 22:04:39 I would agree that's confusing :p 22:04:48 two is that you could use even the last evocable as a disposable 22:05:09 in which case you would really want to give a prompt, because otherwise it would be very easy for someone to accidentally destroy their whatever when they didn't realize it was discharged 22:05:13 to be clear 22:05:19 this is in addition to the xp evocable thing 22:05:32 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 22:12:08 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:30 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:12:48 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:57 I think my vote is still for making all XP evokables stackable one-shots. I really like XP-recharging but I'm liking the simplicity of them being disposable and I think players would figure it out quick just like mirrors. 22:13:09 (because my vote matters!) 22:13:14 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:32 -!- Jafet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:55 I think I prefer xp-recharging to more one-shots 22:14:35 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:14:37 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:25 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:33 do I get a vote? One-shots (and slightly higher spawn rate) make using evocables more meaningful. And most players won't use a given type more than a few times a game 22:20:10 Kinda fits with the flavor too, for the four elementals. You find 'em, dump their spirits out that were sealed into them, they're done for 22:20:26 not that flavor has much currency those days 22:21:01 I think xp-recharge only works with a strict limit on spawning, and I don't think implementing that in a way that allows the *first* to spawn more often than, say, !exp, is very easy to accomplish or explain 22:21:06 <|amethyst> it turns them into scrolls 22:21:12 so one-shot like phantom mirror makes sense to me 22:21:32 <|amethyst> without the silence restriction, I guess 22:21:36 scrolls, but governed by a skill 22:21:45 rechargeable should be the domain of rods imho 22:21:51 evocations is becoming too strong lately anyway 22:22:16 their power could be nerfed directly, rather than changing how they work 22:23:11 then they either become spammable or they become not worth the inventory slot.. most evocations aren't THAT strong even nowadays, it's that they have an upfront damage component along with 1+ ally spawns that make them good. they're highly efficient uses of a turn 22:24:13 speaking of elemental evokers here to be clear 22:25:13 is everyone in the conversation aware of the current situation wrt elemental evocables? 22:26:26 I know I've missed a lot of the conversations about them but I try to scan the commit logs for changes 22:26:43 %git 01e76aa5368 22:26:43 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3747-g01e76aa: Make evokers (dis)charge globally per-type 10(9 hours ago, 13 files, 62+ 185-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e76aa5368c 22:26:47 ^ is specifically what I'm referring to. 22:27:15 yes, and I'm not convinced the cure is better than the disease 22:27:20 oh, really. 22:27:26 in fact it's arguably bizarre 22:27:42 mechanically or flavour-wise? 22:27:52 arguably bizarre is a very very strange phrase. 22:27:53 so I have 3 Xs in my inventory, I use one, it is as powerful as one but kills all three 22:28:10 |amethyst: yea I see how they would feel like scrolls. but see the evo-dependency as a potential justification. also seems like Mirrors fall into the same category 22:28:37 geekosaur: it would be trivial to re-remove stacking. it's currently cosmetic, only kept around because I want to not screw over save-compat players too much if we end up finding a use for stacking evocables. 22:28:51 but possibly it would be better to just remove that entirely, to minimize confusion. 22:28:59 oh, I guess this is orthogonal to stacking 22:29:01 so nvm 22:29:15 eh. theme is extremely malleable 22:29:48 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:55 I don't think that's something worth worrying about. 22:30:02 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3757-gf0eb798: Calculate artp values in &^Ib 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 24+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0eb798eb1dc 22:30:11 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:26 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:40 what specifically were you intending to fix with that ele-evocable commit PF? just so we can be clear here 22:31:08 I have several guesses but easier to hear it straight 22:31:50 people wandering around with huge stacks of strong panic buttons - even larger than usual! 22:32:07 just last night, I witnessed a game that should really not have been won, that was carried on the back of a stack of about 20 evocables. 22:32:21 I was planning to do this before then, of course, but it's a good example. 22:32:29 I see (and agree) 22:33:08 I'm not sure that XP recharging is a good mechanic however. almost all other non-rod evocables are limited use. decks, boxes, sacks, mirrors 22:33:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:33:25 and wands (with caveat for ?recharge) 22:34:06 it's just discs that are multi use? I feel like I'm forgetting one 22:34:17 allow unlimited zaps but each time you do it you get r- for that element :p and the - recovers like Drain 22:34:23 oh, crystal balls 22:34:36 johnstein, that sounds very gameable to me 22:34:39 Why do you think that xp recharging is a bad mechanic? 22:34:50 it wasn't a very serious suggestion 22:35:10 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:35:51 on its face, it's fine. combined with the available of xp-rechargers it becomes quickly degenerate, as you were aiming to fix with that commit (especially in the presence of stacking, or even sacrificing multiple inventory slots for it). the issue is, to me, mid-late to lategame where you can use those evocables for fights and know that they'll be up again in a reasonable time frame 22:35:59 so there's very little opportunity cost 22:36:20 compare using ?blinking to escape a dangerous situation, you permanently lose that one ?blink, but it was Worth It (maybe??) 22:36:20 increase cost, reduce subsequent spawning of evocables based on the number spawned already 22:36:33 the thing is, if you increase XP cost to the point where it's not spammableish lategame 22:36:36 it might as well be one-use only 22:36:37 Brannock_: I think the relative lack of opportunity cost is the good and interesting thing about xp evocables. 22:36:46 isn't that niche covered by rods? 22:36:47 It encourages you to actually use them, rather than hoarding them forever. 22:36:53 <|amethyst> XP cost could scale more with XP 22:36:57 Rods are a worse version of the xp evocable mecahnic, yes. 22:37:02 I agree with the issue of hoarding 22:37:09 hoarding is soemthign that's endemic to RPG-like games 22:37:13 and it's a hard problem to solve 22:37:24 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3758-g7fc8210: Fix artp prop duplication 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fc8210fea1f 22:37:26 <|amethyst> I noticed earlier it only scales up to maybe level 12 or 13 22:37:45 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:51 mm, good line diff count 22:38:54 Brannock_: would you have said that elemental evocables were "degenerate" *before* stackable evocable debacle? 22:38:58 *The 22:39:00 *the 22:39:01 :( 22:39:03 tenatively yes 22:39:05 solution is to shrink the game, obviously 22:39:13 they just had a far greater inventory cost 22:39:30 but you hit a point in lategame where you could carry 2-3 of a type and know that you'd usually always have one ready2go 22:39:41 and it was only lategame that you had enough of a type to be able to do that 22:39:46 This won't be the case now, of course. 22:39:52 anyway the solution always is buff endgame more 22:39:54 While stacking was a MASSIVE sanity buff, i'm not sure it did much to solve that 22:39:59 <|amethyst> what about capping it higher than 3825 XP (~1912 XP with max evo)? 22:40:03 oh, god no, it didn't solve anything. 22:40:26 XP-elementals were (are) perfectly fine in midgame 22:40:29 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:34 they're highly meaningful decisions that take a long time to recharge 22:40:37 they're fantastic 22:40:39 I love em 22:40:53 they just completely break in lategame and I don't see a good way to fix that without turning them into (effectively) one-shots 22:41:03 experience elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 99 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 6756 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 22:41:03 %??air elemental name:experience_elemental n_rpl hd:99 hp:1 22:41:06 either the xp cost to recharge is so long that you'll hoard, or... they're oneshot and you hoard 22:41:11 it's sticky 22:41:21 I think I will wait and see how the new system plays. 22:41:26 probably a good idea 22:41:31 I think you are overestimating the problems here, but we'll see. 22:42:12 given all the shenanigens with xp evocable I wouldn't really agree that rod charging is a worse version of the xp charging mechanic 22:42:19 not that I'd recommend making xp evocables like rods 22:42:42 fwiw I think there's 0 problems with boxes/sacks/mirrors/decks in terms of abusability 22:42:55 all four items are very good for game health and player fun 22:43:06 <|amethyst> oh, sorry, I missed the factor of 10.. the numbers aren't so unreasonable then 22:43:12 who came up with the box of beasts buff? because I want to hug you for that. box went from useless to fun as hell 22:43:40 well the sack especially is rather powerful, probably still in need of some kind of nerf 22:44:02 the box is more powerful, but kind of has gotten away from an idea of "make this one powerful weird thing" 22:44:29 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:44:47 in the initial rework it made a single permanent ally, but then you have a permanent ally and all the problems of that 22:44:58 sack has two things making it powerful: 1. it summons allies AND useful terrain effects making it highly efficient use of turns 2. it summons multiple allies at once 22:45:12 -!- Jafet has left ##crawl-dev 22:45:15 it's one of the most efficient items in the game 22:45:22 how about balance the evokable items so that if you want to be an evoker, you can evoke awaywithout being completely broken 22:45:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 22:45:43 Being An Evoker is still a problem because Evocations handles so many different items and powers 22:45:47 <_miek> !apt evocations 22:45:47 Evo: DD: 4!, Sp: 4!, Ko: 3, Op: 2, DE: 2, Fe: 2, Fo: 2, : 2, : 2, Na: 1, Hu: 1, Te: 1, Ha: 1, Ds: 1, Mf: 1, HE: 1, HO: 1, Dr: 1, Ce: 0, Dg: 0, Vp: 0, Gr: 0, Mi: 0, Gh: 0, VS: 0, Og: -1, Mu: -1, Tr: -2* 22:45:48 all under one single skill 22:46:02 you invest fairly little xp into it for such massive return 22:46:19 <_miek> evocations is really powerful but you have to deal with an annoying item game 22:46:27 <_miek> and you can't rely on it as your primary means of killstuff 22:46:52 it's valued shop-wise under xp evokers but in practice it can be as powerful or more than xp evokers at the same level of evo 22:47:04 Brannock_: deliver thy hugs unto me. 22:47:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:14 it was such an elegant fix too PF 22:47:18 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:47:18 just five levels up 22:47:22 I stole it from grunt and his rod of shadows buff 22:47:24 and box goes from forgettable to "whoa" 22:47:24 which was 22:47:25 the same thing 22:47:38 well no I mean it doesn't fit the original idea of the thing at all 22:47:42 it is at least useful now 22:47:50 but it just makes a bunch of meatbags 22:47:59 you don't even care what the properties are of what it makes 22:48:08 but it is more useful, at least 22:50:10 also I am still really unconvinced that evocations is too strong. it's useful for all characters, but so is fighting. it governs a wide variety of items, but all of them are some combination of rare, limited-use, and/or barely scaling with evo (wands). if I saw a huge variety of characters training evo as their primary skill, I'd be concerned. but as it is I don't think there's a real problem... 22:51:43 fighting gives straight hp and some melee damage/tohit. evocations gives you a ton of tactical options reliant upon what you're able to find from floorgod 22:52:01 like, I typically train fighting to 21+ in my wins 22:52:07 but evocations really really really help me get to that point 22:52:16 idk 22:52:23 evocations is a never-go-wrong option for me 22:52:32 you never have bad luck on this front? 22:52:36 !log Brannock won 22:52:36 (i hope you enjoyed my alternative wording of no-brainer) 22:52:37 41. Brannock, XL27 MiTm, T:58615: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Brannock/morgue-Brannock-20150122-235529.txt 22:52:44 much prefer it over going with a missile/launcher skill, that's for sure 22:52:45 12.3 evo 22:52:46 !log Brannock won -2 22:52:47 40/41. Brannock, XL27 MiAr, T:51642: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Brannock/morgue-Brannock-20150122-174103.txt 22:52:54 16.3 22:52:55 !log Brannock won -3 22:52:56 39/41. Brannock, XL27 MiWr, T:65523: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Brannock/morgue-Brannock-20150121-185253.txt 22:53:02 16.1 22:53:13 high but not mind-blowingly high 22:53:18 I typically train to 13-15 22:53:19 nice triple minotaur 22:53:21 I don't see much returns past that 22:53:25 theTower, trying for greatmino 22:53:27 I find 10 to 15 to be pretty good, yeah 22:53:37 and I use rods a lot, but I'll probably get 15 if I'm doing so 22:54:00 many people also just think it's bad to use wands late game, which is silly 22:54:33 you get wands, rods, xp evokers, misc evokers, the odd weird deck effect 22:54:37 mostly helix these days 22:55:19 the other deck effects can be pretty good as well, of course, but I think there's only a few like tomb/elixer I much look out for 22:55:32 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:04 helm is a strong effect but after those that you mentioned there isn't much that's comparably eyecatching iirc 22:56:13 I haven't gotten chances to experiment much with new decks yet though 22:56:26 I'm not super fond of deck items and wish they would go away 22:56:32 anyway 22:56:38 should I be sorry about that? >_> 22:56:50 I think the reasonable argument here is "there are so many useful things that scale off evo that you'll generally find several each game; therefore it becomes a good idea to train a good deal of evo in every game; this is bad, because it reduces the variety between games, the element of reacting to what you find or don't find." 22:57:00 that's a good summary imo 22:57:07 theTower: cards are fine, it's decks that I don't like! 22:57:09 ^ 22:57:12 cards are fantastic 22:57:18 oh, that again 22:57:25 ya this is off-topic grousing 22:57:27 you know my position on that, direct-card-gifting 22:57:27 sorry 22:57:31 but if you split decks into cards you run into scroll/potion issues 22:57:47 my plan would involve the a-menu 22:57:47 direct-card-gifting-to-decks and 22:57:48 anyway 22:57:50 whatever, as you were saying 22:58:24 that might be true. 22:58:26 idk 22:58:27 I'd have to think about it. 22:58:34 *I'll. 22:59:10 I think situational deck usage for non-nem players is actually ok, but it becomes annoying when you're using nem 22:59:23 PF my stance is, there's far less variety in weapon types than there is in evocables, but it would be unthinkable to fold all weapon types into Fighting and remove weapon skills 22:59:49 it would also be unthinkable to have multiple evo skills >_> 23:00:27 yeah that's kind of the central idea of evocations 23:00:44 otherwise it's a set of oh-no-it's-definitely-not-spellcasting-skills 23:00:58 imo what's been holding that back until the past couple years of Dungeon Crawl is the relative lack of reusable evocables without having to expend ?recharge 23:01:06 it'd been rods up until "recently" 23:01:14 then we got XP-evocables and it's starting to break down 23:01:14 past couple of years 23:02:52 if you want design out of the vaccuum my stance is just make these silly actually-made-good things more rare / specially placed, since we've got all that optional content nonsense 23:03:05 I'd be able to give a more specific time slot but I didn't get very serious about crawl until about >1 year ago 23:03:16 if people die in elf because they wanted a phial and a fan then goal achieved 23:03:25 wouldn't making them rarer just have the same effect as restricting them to one-only of that type 23:03:30 no. 23:03:42 and tbh I don't think they're exclusive 23:03:57 if I made them rarer, I don't think I would revert the one-per-type thing. 23:04:37 I want to backtrack a moment, though. Brannock_, are you arguing that xp evocables blur the line between evocations & spellcasting? 23:04:38 if you? man someone else needs to figure out how to get commit access 23:05:02 well, I can only speak for what I myself would do :) other devs must make their own decisions, ofc 23:05:23 stupid javascript, I've forgotten c++ entirely 23:05:32 in a highly strict view of it, I think yes. spells give you tactical options outside pure movement and positioning, evocables do the same thing really. I should mention that my view of this is super abstract and I suspect most players would not share this 23:05:47 fan of gales is aoe force lance etc 23:05:49 class IsClass(int x) or something? idk 23:06:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: huh? 23:06:09 then long blade is range 1 throw frost 23:06:36 when you get to that point, yes, then you start realizing that lbl is much more efficient than throw frost in terms of toolbox usage to Win Crawl 23:06:39 fan of gales is my favorite evokable 23:06:41 ^ 23:07:01 |amethyst: I think c++ goes like: if [ -z $var ] then ; grep foo bar ; fi 23:07:12 pretty sure that's c++ in a nutshell 23:07:20 dude. 23:07:25 I loved having 2 or 3 since it was nearly as good as having extra blink scrolls 23:07:28 you forgot the trailing semicolon. 23:07:31 *shit* 23:07:52 <|amethyst> your shell script causes me physical pain 23:07:57 but see |amethyst's (et al) comment on them being like scrolls 23:08:25 !learn add |amethyst <|amethyst> your shell script causes me physical pain 23:08:26 |amethyst[20/20]: <|amethyst> your shell script causes me physical pain 23:09:01 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:05 what is this comment specifically johnstein? 23:09:26 that was wrt one-shot evocables 23:09:41 oh yes 23:09:44 ehh 23:09:53 Brannock_: yeah that's an extremely broad view of spells 23:09:56 it is 23:10:48 kinda insulted abstraction is used for such ends >_> 23:11:47 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:24 I think I'm okay with evocables trampling on turf that wide. 23:13:04 <|amethyst> !learn add philosophical_objections kinda insulted abstraction is used for such ends >_> 23:13:04 philosophical objections[1/1]: kinda insulted abstraction is used for such ends >_> 23:13:48 my main issue with evocables is that Evocations makes you so much better at such a wide range of tactical options, and that you're guaranteed to find multiple instances of those items that grnat you those tactical options over the course of a game, that it's difficult to justify not training Evocations like it's possibly to justify not training Fire or Summoning or Necromancy 23:14:11 you find a strong rod or a phial of floods? Train evoc, and if you find a fan or another rod, you can use that too! 23:14:26 find regeneration? train necro, but you might find another spell that necro doesn't help one bit with 23:14:31 spellcasting will help with that, but Not As Much 23:14:52 I'm nooooot quite sure that this is a Problem as of yet 23:14:58 but I'm seeing it approach it 23:15:10 I think current evocables are very fun and exciting to use 23:15:29 you know 23:15:45 I keep wondering how pekallas intersects with this conversation 23:16:06 pakellas is probably the reason why I've been thinking about it lately 23:16:18 Pakellas is "here's some motivation to put evokers through their paces" 23:16:22 basically 23:17:02 can we get gods for all the other incompletely-designed things 23:17:12 I guess we already have jiyva >>_>> 23:17:50 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:02 l wonder if I ruined pak 23:18:07 I would feel bad about that 23:18:38 !ruin PleasingFungus 23:18:53 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 23:19:00 (solution: merge P into trunk early in 0.17 so he can be tested properly.........) 23:19:00 all pak's abilities are wand-focused right? capstoe doesn't even work on evocables 23:19:16 chequers: Pakellas works best with rods 23:19:20 ime 23:20:44 wand and rod 23:23:06 I'll try P when P arrives on a coolserver 23:23:24 I mean, you'll have to give me endorsment money, of course 23:24:41 initial feedback I've glanced at regarding P is "way OP", but that's not subjective at all 23:25:08 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3758-g7fc8210 (34) 23:25:24 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:29 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:47 I've heard "way op" and "why would I use this over trog", sometimes from the same person 23:27:03 <|amethyst> everyone knows trog is way op :) 23:27:21 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:24 ya 23:27:32 all opinions are terrible 23:27:34 -!- MrScumbag1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:27:35 burn them to the ground 23:29:43 I love all opinions, and all people, as befits my brothers and sisters in Christ. 23:29:47 I think for this gruntdesign, to maximize enjoyment 23:29:56 I'll just read nothing about P until I play the first game 23:29:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:30:03 just discover the madness as I play 23:30:14 FR: exploding wands 23:31:18 I want to find out that all rods have a 20% chance of spawning friendly executioners 23:31:25 the first time I use a rod on orc:4 23:31:48 friendly explosive executioners 23:32:01 Brannock_: P wrath involves exploding rods, and I think I did that with wands too 23:32:01 and then I'll see the catch is that when they die or despawn, yeah, they summon a hostile twister 23:32:06 and I'll be like...."yep" 23:32:06 :D 23:32:33 ??coolserver[cbro 23:32:33 I don't have a page labeled coolserver[cbro in my learndb. 23:32:45 :C 23:33:14 !learn add coolserver A server that is either cszo or in the U.S. running webtiles-changes with games tracked by sequell 23:33:14 coolserver[1/1]: A server that is either cszo or in the U.S. running webtiles-changes with games tracked by sequell 23:33:23 ??pakellas wrath 23:33:23 I don't have a page labeled pakellas_wrath in my learndb. 23:33:26 gruuuuunt 23:33:27 johnstein: now you don't have to check every day to see if cbro qualifies 23:33:52 if it's just exploding wands it's pretty easy wrath to avoid. a lot of games you can simply not use evokables 23:34:09 ah I see 23:34:14 dbro juuuuust misses 23:34:23 juuuusssst barely 23:34:26 gammafunk: hey! what about AU 23:34:42 sorry, australians being upside down makes your packets slow, or something 23:34:42 you motherfucking racists we STARTED this god damn game only for you yankees to steal it 23:34:44 I just need to trick green.snark into pointing to dbro files 23:35:06 sorry not sorry 23:35:38 :| 23:35:42 if it's any consolation, it was then stolen by SA who runs it know with a secret cabal 23:35:47 PleasingFungus is but one member 23:35:53 *runs it now 23:35:54 1learn add coolerservers cpo 23:36:09 !lg * !boring s=day(end) src=cbro -graph 23:36:10 32309 games for * (!boring src=cbro): https://shalott.org/graphs/455a40a2aa9a9ba1185efdf854861f7d0f2b03fe.html 23:36:18 popularity is increasing! 23:36:22 I need to fix gozag wrath 23:36:33 huh 23:36:34 !lg * !boring s=day(end) src=cpo -graph 23:36:35 1681 games for * (!boring src=cpo): https://shalott.org/graphs/49a9da269b947e59eae969d0a0b2de64fe4d92c6.html 23:36:39 how it's really ignorable? 23:36:47 yes, that 23:36:47 !lg * current trunk !boring s=day(end) -graph 23:36:49 I have plans 23:36:50 204536 games for * (current trunk !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/5395ad4e76de2e5ce74fe73ff95f19cb142d3c86.html 23:36:54 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:03 I thought it was thematic that both new gods had ignorable wrath 23:37:11 haha 23:37:13 ??lacertilian 23:37:13 lacertilian[1/1]: Experimental race with perma-faith and no wrath for changing gods. Playable on CBRO! 23:37:18 sept 2014, what happened there 23:37:24 tournament? 23:37:25 !lg * trunk !boring s=day(end) -graph 23:37:29 1447990 games for * (trunk !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/1214b5881fea36d1e536c3ff4fcc371f74457fa1.html 23:37:31 !lg * ikiller~~qazl 23:37:31 65. Onionns the Phalangite (L27 MfSk of Makhleb), slain by a fire elemental (created by the adversity of Qazlal) on Depths:5 on 2015-01-16 23:54:02, with 592620 points after 86304 turns and 9:00:02. 23:37:42 !lg * ikiller~~qazl s=killer 23:37:43 65 games for * (ikiller~~qazl): 32x a fire elemental, 13x an air elemental, 10x an earth elemental, 10x a water elemental 23:37:52 yeah, tournament 23:37:52 !kw t0.15 23:37:53 Built-in: t0.15 => rstart>2014072920 rtime<2014081420 cv=0.15 23:38:04 oh yeah current trunk 23:38:12 heh 23:38:17 !lg * !boring s=day(end) -graph 23:38:28 3258382 games for * (!boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/db7f546a8f9bbe1b5df1a0c15673b5ff8c46f168.html 23:38:44 that graph would make a san fran growth hacker proud 23:38:56 would it 23:39:10 !lg * !trunk !boring s=day(end) -graph 23:39:14 probably not, but I'm trying to complement you on producing a game that is clearly loved 23:39:18 1810393 games for * (!trunk !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/283be37b899a83bbe7c0efbd0114a0bbfe1aa548.html 23:39:19 aww 23:39:24 !lg * !boring s=day(end),src -graph:scatter 23:39:32 3258383 games for * (!boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/7305aeb1c4385d3cc20c6e6f62a61c98b0ea1ba9.html 23:39:35 fun pattern 23:39:36 heh, you can see the shift toward trunk every season 23:40:28 until the tournament, when non-trunk spikes and then drops & begins another slow decline 23:40:46 sad to see the drop in the last year. wonder what's with that 23:40:48 !lg * !boring s=day(end),src cv=0.15 -graph:scatter 23:40:49 175343 games for * (!boring cv=0.15): https://shalott.org/graphs/700766a8fc72f332448a2b5933dd78e2047117a8.html 23:40:52 so the goal is to beat the peak of 5000 players next tournament 23:41:07 !lg . s=day(end) -graph 23:41:08 2559 games for gammafunk: https://shalott.org/graphs/3fd57ff364d3a6dac6a5b16244f6ea53a176e667.html 23:41:19 you just need an article on rock paper shotgun about a week before the tourney 23:41:45 58 games one day, huh 23:41:57 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:03 PRESS RELEASE: dcss 0.16 re-adds MD, removes Torment 23:42:13 !lg . end=2014-09-02 s=char 23:42:13 No games for gammafunk (end=2014-09-02). 23:42:18 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:26 !lg . start=2014-09-02 s=char 23:42:27 No games for gammafunk (start=2014-09-02). 23:42:40 !lg . end=20140902 23:42:40 No games for chequers (end=20140902). 23:42:46 !lg gammafunk end=20140902 23:42:46 No games for gammafunk (end=20140902). 23:42:49 oh 23:43:09 !hs * 23:43:11 3916019. Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 23:43:21 !lg * x=start 23:43:22 3916019. [start=2015-01-23 05:12:26 [20150023051226S]] Glitz the Sneak (L5 HaAs of Nemelex Xobeh), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:3 (lemuel_round_altar) on 2015-01-23 05:43:04, with 163 points after 1502 turns and 0:29:39. 23:43:34 !lg sapher s=day(end) -graph 23:43:34 772 games for sapher: https://shalott.org/graphs/3dbe5f99b28e8abd7a5efe77a60cf0d488e700fa.html 23:43:44 !gamesby Glitz 23:43:45 Glitz has played 64 games, between 2014-12-29 04:03:43 and 2015-01-23 05:43:04, won 0, high score 12855, total score 41571, total turns 177824, play-time/day 2:29:04, total time 2d+16:35:48. 23:43:51 !lg gammafunk start~20140902 s=char 23:43:51 bad value for range 23:43:54 !lg gammafunk start~~20140902 s=char 23:43:55 Type mismatch: start in 'start~~20140902' 23:43:57 hrm 23:44:01 ok, I'm done 23:44:03 !lg . end>=2014-09-02 s=char 23:44:04 661 games for gammafunk (end>=2014-09-02): 566x HESu, 12x VSWz, 12x DESu, 12x MfSk, 11x NaVM, 10x FoAK, 10x CeAM, 7x MuGl, 6x TeAE, 3x MiBe, 3x DDHe, 2x HOAs, 2x HuFE, DDEn, VSIE, HOFE, MuAs, GrWz 23:44:12 yeah the end is that format but 23:44:13 not sure 23:44:20 !lg gammafunk start~~"20140902" s=char 23:44:20 Type mismatch: start in 'start~~20140902' 23:44:22 feh 23:44:36 !lg . start>=2014-09-02 end<=2014-09-02 s=char 23:44:37 No games for gammafunk (start>=2014-09-02 end<=2014-09-02). 23:44:46 might just be off 23:45:03 -!- imantor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:45:21 !lg . s=day(end) 23:45:21 2559 games for gammafunk: 20120426, 2x 20120427, 5x 20120428, 20120501, 20120502, 20120503, 20120504, 20120509, 20120510, 20120527, 20120609, 20120911, 20120914, 4x 20120916, 2x 20120922, 2x 20120923, 20120927, 2x 20120929, 2x 20121013, 20121021, 2x 20121022, 20121026, 20121027, 20121030, 20121031, 2x 20121103, 2x 20121104, 2x 20121107, 2x 20121113, 20121114, 20121115, 20121117, 2x 20121118, 10x 2... 23:45:33 !lg . s=day(end) o=-N 23:45:34 2559 games for gammafunk: 20140718, 20130602, 20131019, 20130624, 20130707, 20121030, 20121115, 20130708, 20150112, 20140314, 20121204, 20130714, 20140408, 20150123, 20120510, 20130319, 20130804, 20131129, 20131222, 20120911, 20140319, 20130527, 20141230, 20131024, 20140508, 20140311, 20130721, 20140323, 20120501, 20140130, 20150119, 20130408, 20121027, 20140721, 20140523, 20130403, 20141016, 2013... 23:45:39 gammafunk: the month is off by one 23:45:53 !lg * start<2015 x=start 23:45:55 3861711. [start=2014-12-28 06:36:32 [20141128063632S]] Sheba the Sorcerer (L16 DEFE of Sif Muna), shot by Vashnia (bolt) on Snake:3 on 2015-01-23 04:42:00, with 139622 points after 37577 turns and 18:04:26. 23:45:58 hm 23:45:58 !lg . end=2014-08-02 s=char 23:45:59 No games for gammafunk (end=2014-08-02). 23:46:00 yeah 23:46:02 !lg . end=2014-10-02 s=char 23:46:03 No games for gammafunk (end=2014-10-02). 23:46:27 !lg gammafunk start>=20140802 end<20140803 s=char 23:46:27 13 games for gammafunk (start>=20140802 end<20140803): 13x HESu 23:46:28 oh I see 23:46:33 !lg . s=day(end) o=N 23:46:33 2559 games for gammafunk: 62x 20140830, 58x 20140903, 47x 20140906, 36x 20140829, 33x 20140904, 32x 20140913, 31x 20140909, 31x 20140905, 29x 20130413, 27x 20140907, 25x 20140808, 24x 20140912, 21x 20140914, 20x 20140910, 19x 20130414, 19x 20140902, 17x 20130417, 16x 20140726, 16x 20140208, 16x 20131223, 15x 20140827, 15x 20140202, 15x 20130619, 14x 20140802, 13x 20140126, 13x 20140811, 13x 201308... 23:46:40 the day 23:46:42 is off by one 23:46:46 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:55 !lg . end=2014-09-03 s=char 23:46:55 No games for gammafunk (end=2014-09-03). 23:47:07 !lg . end=20140903 s=char 23:47:07 No games for gammafunk (end=20140903). 23:47:11 !lg . end~~20140903 s=char 23:47:11 Type mismatch: end in 'end~~20140903' 23:47:20 !lg . day(end)=20140903 s=char 23:47:21 58 games for gammafunk (day(end)=20140903): 58x HESu 23:47:22 what exactly are you querying for 23:47:23 god 23:47:25 there we go 23:47:28 haha 23:47:30 yeah now it makes sense 23:47:59 !lg . day(end)=20140903 s=xl,urune 23:48:00 58 games for gammafunk (day(end)=20140903): 30x 1 (30x 0), 11x 2 (11x 0), 4x 4 (4x 0), 3x 3 (3x 0), 2x 7 (2x 0), 2x 6 (2x 0), 2x 5 (2x 0), 2x 8 (2x 0), 10 (0), 9 (0) 23:48:24 well...runes are hard to get man 23:48:29 they're just not easy to find sometimes 23:48:39 I mean where the hell are they? 23:48:56 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:10 did you see the gdd guy who wanted rune locations to be added to } 23:49:12 or { 23:49:14 you know 23:49:16 the one that does that 23:49:23 yeah, didn't that seem like something nice? 23:49:27 at least to add them somewhere I guess 23:49:29 ya I have it on my todo 23:49:38 the only objection I have is that it's gonna be more info duplication 23:49:42 joke insult messages if you can 23:49:44 which makes me sad 23:49:49 ? 23:49:51 "NOT IN YOUR POSSESSION AMIRITE" 23:49:54 (Quit, thou jarring miscreant tiler!) 23:49:55 etc 23:50:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:50:45 fr teach Sequell how to !insult 23:51:03 well tommorrow I shall try to wrestle jquery/react into making a chat mod interface, and we'll see how that goes 23:51:15 I'm off then, to dream of Sif. ttyl 23:51:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:26 sexysifdreams 23:55:10 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]