00:00:14 in testing, it was relevant in about half the time when in corridors 00:00:53 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:05 -!- Dynast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:18 she had a bad habit of placing flame in corners 00:01:26 not sure how to fix that 00:01:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:22 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:02:48 if you can figure that out gw would be happy 00:03:02 todo bring gw up to speed on trunk 00:03:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04:21 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:05:44 hm 00:06:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:06:12 pathfind from the monster to the target, and then rerun pathfinding with each tile in the initial path marked as impassable 00:06:24 and then cast at the tile that causes the greatest difference in path length 00:07:51 sounds expensive 00:07:58 wait 00:08:03 also, wrong 00:08:22 cflame is set up to prevent players from running away, not from keeping them from reaching the caster 00:08:41 (for all those players fleeing natasha...) 00:08:50 could be useful for both, i'm sure 00:09:01 but yeah, fleeing would be harder 00:10:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3719-g3c2c23d (34) 00:10:34 fleeing natasha? if she has no meph cloud is she scary? 00:10:41 she's got imps 00:10:55 and monster magic dart, which is very rude 00:12:37 i dunno, I rate her low unless i'm confused since she has 15hp 00:12:40 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:12:50 no I mean yeah she's garbage 00:12:55 and the fundamental design is really bad 00:13:01 the whole thing where she gets weaker every time she comes back 00:13:13 she gets weaker per-life? heh, she's already hd3 00:13:34 I like the design though, it's nice to see all the player races as uniqs 00:13:40 she loses one hd per death 00:13:57 design that works for players does not necessarily work for monsters 00:14:08 ref e.g.: natasha 00:14:18 yeah, i think she should just not lose hd when dying 00:14:21 no, but: it shows new players what felids do, and it's surprising, which is fun 00:14:34 -!- claws has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:40 um 00:14:47 oh, hi 00:14:51 -!- claws is now known as theTower 00:14:52 I was going to talk to you about something 00:14:59 it'll come to me 00:16:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:11 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3865-ga85cfb7: Merge branch master into webtiles-changes 10(10 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a85cfb79899c 00:18:45 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:57 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:33:47 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:37:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:37:53 -!- humeral has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 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http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/experimentals/0.16/branches/bearkin.html 02:19:53 but I got the damn tourney pages stuff for experimentals to sort by explbr 02:20:01 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/experimentals/0.16/branches.html 02:22:06 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3719-g3c2c23d (34) 02:23:44 -!- Jeffrey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25:52 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:30 -!- GameKnut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:49 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:20 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:07 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:40:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56:28 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:59:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:33 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:13:22 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: 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I'd like to host DCSS web version. What should I do? Is there any documents? 06:21:07 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:49 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:37 -!- dididi has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:35:13 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:28 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:42:00 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:43 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 06:44:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:13 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:49:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:53:34 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:55:20 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:57:19 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:03:03 -!- dididi has quit [Client Quit] 07:04:29 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:10:33 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:42 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3720-ga195062: Make all non-permanent summons unable to use stairs 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a195062032c3 07:24:42 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3721-g221a115: Make Trog wrath summons durable 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=221a115ad592 07:30:04 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:28 -!- Basil is now known as Guest53897 07:35:23 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:38:43 -!- xug has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:40:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:41:16 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:41:35 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:48:01 -!- dididi has quit [Client Quit] 07:52:44 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:01:37 !tell gammafunk Best advice for Ru is to remember to actually use the abilities, but take fewer risks while you're exhausted. Sacrificing Artifice might make sense for you, since you won't have trouble picking up a utility kit of spells. Draw out Power is extra-good for VS, since it basically tops off both of their health bars. 08:01:38 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 08:02:31 !tell gammafunk Best advice for Ru is to remember to actually use the abilities, but take fewer risks while you're exhausted. Sacrificing Artifice might make sense for you, since you won't have trouble picking up a kit of spells. Draw out Power is extra-good for VS, since it tops off both of their health bars. 08:02:31 Lasty_1: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:02:39 -!- Lasty_1 is now known as Lasty_ 08:13:35 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:14:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:17:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:25:47 Game not showing up in scoring page 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9419 by Xentronium 08:29:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:41:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:59 -!- Gichin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:44:48 4tharraofdagon (L16 HOGl) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 509: mid cache bogosity: no monster for 1086 (Depths:2) 08:45:35 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:16 !crashlog * 08:50:17 10444. 4tharraofdagon, XL16 HOGl, T:19226 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/4tharraofdagon/crash-4tharraofdagon-20150120-144447.txt 08:51:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:13 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:54:08 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:11 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:45 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:05:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:16:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:30 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:33 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:36:47 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:37 hey, troll seems terribly bugged 09:49:49 displays that his base stats are 2 str, 4 int and 2 dex 09:50:01 and everytime he gains a level 09:50:12 it's displayed as level 1; http://prntscr.com/5uty5f 09:50:40 !locate xiguana 09:50:41 xiguana was last seen on CLAN (Xiguana, L10 TrMo of No God). 09:53:19 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59:38 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:07:19 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3722-g5e7e3b6: Don't remove repeated digits in fake_lang=de (Tux, Xiguana) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e7e3b619abb 10:15:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:16:06 !lg * ikiller=natasha recent status~~confus 10:16:06 284. MrRokkomies the Insei (L4 OpTm of Ashenzari), blasted by Natasha (magic dart) on D:3 on 2015-01-20 15:37:08, with 88 points after 1946 turns and 0:10:40. 10:16:11 !lg * ikiller=natasha recent / status~~confus 10:16:12 284/4117 games for * (ikiller=natasha recent): N=284/4117 (6.90%) 10:23:35 -!- klangae4 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24:26 Vidiiot (L13 TrAs) ERROR: range check error (27001 / 702) (Orc:4) 10:26:25 !crashlog 10:26:26 10445. Vidiiot, XL13 TrAs, T:12205 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Vidiiot/crash-Vidiiot-20150120-162410.txt 10:26:38 oh, did nobody fix that? 10:26:53 I thought someone did 10:26:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:15 !lm * crash x=vlong 10:28:15 10445. [2015-01-20 16:24:10] [vlong=0.16-a0-3714-geb26cbe] Vidiiot the Grappler (L13 TrAs of Ru) ERROR: range check error (27001 / 702) (Orc:4) 10:29:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:07 for bonus points, you should fix it to make curare_hits_* take an actor* 10:32:35 I don't see any traces of a fix 10:32:41 checking logs 10:32:44 so I guess people just talked about it 10:32:48 correct, it hasn't been 10:33:10 well, I wanted to see if there was a failed fix 10:38:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:40:40 ah, checking the logs, we reached "blame wheals" and called it a day 10:40:45 good solution imo 10:40:50 sounds good to me 10:45:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 10:55:04 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:45 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:01:53 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:58 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:12 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:24 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:26 fire giant and yaktaur captain on D:10. this is a vault it seems like, but that seems horribly out of depth to me. door was not runed 11:12:14 it's a vault 11:12:32 except you probably didn't know that because it's only visible from the outside if you didn't take the wrong stair 11:12:33 what do I enable in rcfile to get the vault names in my dump? 11:12:38 &rc 11:12:40 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/perunasaurus.rc 11:12:54 dump_order += vaults 11:13:04 dump_order += messages,screenshot,monlist,kills,notes,vaults,action_counts 11:14:04 note that the vault names won't appear until game end though 11:14:10 good to know 11:15:23 !log brannock 11:15:24 1374. Brannock, XL10 MiAr, T:8354: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Brannock/morgue-Brannock-20150120-171457.txt 11:15:42 minmay_diamond_stairs I think that's the one 11:15:50 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:20 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:30 !vault minmay_diamond_stairs 11:16:31 1/1. http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des;hb=HEAD#l5085 11:16:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:17:10 that doesn't look like what I got 11:17:45 either way imho a vault with fire giant/yaktaur captain on D:10 without a runed door is vastly out of depth 11:18:31 are runed doors ever actually used to block dangerous things, outside of that one slime entrance? i can't think of any 11:18:59 lair:8 fire dragon ending 11:19:02 half the vaults in depths 11:19:34 hall of blades 11:19:49 there's an Oka arena vault 11:20:06 (mid-D-ish) 11:20:16 none of the vaults in my dump match up with what I got just there, but with four hatches and two strong monsters on D:10 it sure looks like a vault 11:20:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:21:05 Skiberibeda (L2 VpEn) ASSERT(item.sub_type == CORPSE_BODY) in 'butcher.cc' at line 363 failed. (D:1) 11:21:25 I also recall a late D vault that teased with some treasure behind glass in a long room with a runed door entrance at the other side of the building that had a bone dragon in there. 11:21:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3722-g5e7e3b6 (34) 11:22:10 I know the vault you got, since it's pretty obvious that it's a vault if you don't take the one downwards staircase that leads right into it. 11:23:23 door vaults! 11:24:37 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24:41 rip surprise self-opening door vaults 11:27:43 I've also seen a bunch of other nasty stuff in D, possibly depths has more but runed doors elsewhere seem to do little 11:27:51 unless you're afraid of the sun demon in lair:8 11:28:32 wait that vault doesn't even have a runed door anymore does it 11:40:46 -!- Anchorite has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:45:07 -!- neckro23 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:49:19 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 11:49:41 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:31 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:05 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:04:49 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:52 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:56 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:51 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:48 and for what it's worth I found only one vault placing both a fire giant and a yaktaur captain and it's a depths entrance vault. (which does not rule out that it uses a place:...) 12:11:07 (or other OOD( 12:17:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:30 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:18 -!- debo has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:23:00 it's not specifically a fire giant and a yaktaur captain as much as it is "very OOD monster" 12:23:50 and it's also one of those weird, isolated take-the-right-downwards-staircase-from-the-floor-above-to-enter kind of vault 12:26:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:44 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:53 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:33:53 ??8 12:33:54 8[1/2]: This is either a {statue} or a {golem}. It's either totally harmless or an electric golem. 12:33:57 ??8[2] 12:33:57 8[2/2]: Is also a marker for extremely out of depth ([depth+2]*2 depth!) monsters in vaults; both traditional and valued by most devs. Good results: d:4 wolf spiders, d:5 centaur warriors, d:6 fire crabs, d:9 sphinxes, d:10 fire giants, d:11 liches. 12:34:03 "d:10 fire giants" 12:37:11 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:37 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:53 yes 12:41:36 -!- marsharpe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43:45 !lm gammafunk 12:43:46 11608. [2015-01-20 01:58:35] gammafunk the Caller (L1 HESu) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:43:54 !lm gammafunk vswz 12:43:54 11. [2014-12-26 21:37:45] gammafunk the Magician (L10 VSWz of Ru) sacrificed evocations on turn 7704. (D:9) 12:44:00 oh right 12:44:19 yeah thanks for advice. I am very hesitant to sac artifice 12:44:40 Since I don't like to combine conj with melee too much, I'm kind of hoping that one sac arcana will be good 12:44:51 you don't ever lose ability to train spellcasting, do you? 12:44:55 That's worth a decent chunk, but not as much 12:44:57 no, never 12:45:01 ok good 12:45:48 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:11 !lg . current trunk 12:46:11 283. gammafunk the Cleaver (L10 HOAs of Zin), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2015-01-19 06:33:24, with 5567 points after 11200 turns and 0:50:54. 12:46:17 it'll offer a sacrifice of one of {charms, conjurations, summoning, translocations}, one of {transmutation, necromancy, hexes} and one of the elemental schools (including poison) 12:46:17 silly Erolcha 12:46:24 oh, didn't realize that 12:46:33 that's in the ^ description? 12:46:46 I guess doesn't matter, does it 12:46:51 How it composes the list of offers is not in the ability description 12:46:56 but what's currently on offer is 12:46:57 since you can choose not sacrifice 12:47:49 so on those choice sacrifices, is it always safe to check them all? or does that cancel that entire offering if you don't accept? 12:47:56 Ot 12:47:57 I should just read the description 12:48:00 It's always safe to check 12:48:05 ok that's good 12:48:29 The only way you can screw yourself is by accidentally choosing one of the sacrifices and also saying yes, or by choosing reject sacrifices or abandon god and accidentally saying yes 12:48:52 basically, you have to confirm before you do something foolish 12:49:19 !stat vswz 12:49:22 !stats vswz 12:49:23 Starting stats for VSWz: Str 9 Int 18 Dex 12. Stat gain: sd/4 12:49:28 wow, 18 12:49:43 VS have good stats 12:49:43 vs has like the highest base stats after dg 12:49:43 well I guess not using some kind of damaging magic is kind of a waste 12:49:52 yeah and wz on top 12:50:06 really, highest after Dg? Jeez. 12:50:23 Everything about VS is nuts, but I love them. 12:50:24 pretty sure yes 12:50:31 !source species.cc 12:50:31 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/species.cc;hb=HEAD 12:50:46 uhm, where was it again 12:50:56 well we could certainly tweak their stats down if they're too high 12:51:06 78 case SP_VINE_STALKER: s = 10; i = 8; d = 9; break; // 27 12:51:06 but I'll let people with more play experience decide that 12:51:20 well they're tied for #2, DD also has 27 12:52:19 ??sid 12:52:19 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none | VS sd/4 12:53:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:53:28 Lasty_: yeah, I look at Ru powers and they feel much more melee-oriented, so I'm leaning more towards that 12:53:46 Well especially starting with :minor magic 12:53:50 I'm not sure if I'd advocate for lower stats . . . after their bite damage got drastically nerfed, they might be in an okayish spot 12:53:58 depends on how crazy-good they're supposed to be 12:54:17 gammafunk: A lot of people have that impression. I'm not sure if I agree or not. 12:54:34 !lg lasty ru won s=char 12:54:35 5 games for lasty (ru won): HuMo, HuIE, HuWz, HuWn, HuNe 12:54:37 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:48 An mage start that isn't maybe FE or Cj, possibly Su with a god that doesn't give spells and that has two aoe abilities 12:56:06 seems not the best fit 12:56:29 if you have fireball in your starting book, it's kind of another story 12:56:37 although icicle is very good for a long time I guess 12:56:46 so is summon ice beast 12:56:48 and ozo's 12:57:33 well ozo is just a charm and certainly suggests using significant melee, but yeah ice beast as well 12:57:55 I mean, I tend to play my conjurer-types as durable and effective in melee as is reasonable, and Ru definitely helps w/ that. 12:58:03 I like big defenses and I cannot lie 12:58:05 it's probably the redundancy of a god with aoe abilities that irks me most 12:58:39 Power leap is also a cblink, and Apocalypse is only redundant w/ Shatter . . . 12:59:01 and the mp channeling aspect of draw out power is much better for conjurer-types 12:59:56 That said, Apoc and Power Leap as AOE is definitely a bigger expansion of options for a magicless melee char than the normal conjurations-based character 12:59:57 I think any mp channeling from that is just vastly inferior to veh/sif, and apoc being all-los is nice but what does a mage need with that 13:00:39 I understand not everyone likes to make such cut-and-dry reasoning for building chars 13:01:01 -!- marsbars has quit [Client Quit] 13:01:06 but I like trog a lot for melee for the same reason: what he gives is exactly what you need to supplement your melee abilities 13:01:13 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:48 yeah, I get that 13:02:02 and Ru definitely does give you things that melee can make good use of 13:03:22 -!- booly-yam-5194_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:38 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:10 The way I look at it, the direction and retribution abilities are pretty much equally useful for all characters, draw out power is better for characters with heavy spell use, Apocalypse is better for characters with light spell use, and Power Leap is generally useful. 13:13:39 on the other hand, i feel like spellcasters give up a bit less to sacrifices 13:13:56 as opposed to primarily-melee dudes 13:14:07 since e.g. you only need one hand to hold a staff 13:23:03 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:23:51 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:19 dunno, even without saccing a hand I never had trouble hitting 6* on a dude-who-kills-dudes-in-melee-and-likes-charms 13:34:01 giving up hexes meant no spectral weapon though. that made me sad. 13:35:05 Lasty_: for me those hex-type effects tend to have more impact for melee/stabbers, since they reduce damage; they're nice for ranged as well, but I wouldn't say equally as nice 13:36:00 wrt to the retribution, but I don't fully know what all the passive Ru stuff is 13:36:03 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:36:06 ??ru 13:36:06 ru[1/6]: Ru grants great power to adherents who renounce the world by making sacrifices. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. The offers are refreshed more slowly if you ignore them, more quickly with faith. Removing faith causes the next sacrifice to be delayed with no piety loss. 13:36:10 ??ru[2 13:36:11 ru[2/6]: Granted powers: 1* Aura of Power: Attacking enemies falter and/or attack themselves or other enemies. 2* Aura of Power: Enemies that damage you can receive statuses. 3* {Draw Out Power}: restore health and mana. 4* {Power Leap}: jump three tiles and explode at destination. 5* {Apocalypse}: deal huge damage and inflict statuses to everything on screen. All powers scale with piety. 13:36:16 -!- Anchorite has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:36:41 ??retribution 13:36:42 I don't have a page labeled retribution in my learndb. 13:36:44 yeah the 2* would be pretty good for both, but again in melee you're taking a lot more damage 13:36:46 ??ru_retribution 13:36:46 I don't have a page labeled ru_retribution in my learndb. 13:37:05 I thought there was a learndb entry for it 13:37:08 rutribution 13:37:12 ?? rutribution 13:37:13 I don't have a page labeled rutribution in my learndb. 13:37:15 Lasty_: isn't that just what's described above for 2* Aura of power? 13:37:16 if only 13:37:21 in ru[2] 13:37:23 gammafunk: well, there's more detail :p 13:37:32 ?/retribut 13:37:32 Matching terms (2): beogh_retribution, tso_retribution; entries (24): abyss[2] | angel[1] | beogh_retribution[1] | beogh_smiting[1] | beogh_wrath[1] | cheibriados_wrath[1] | dithmenos_wrath[1] | jiyva_wrath[1] | lugonu_wrath[1] | makhleb_wrath[1] | okawaru_wrath[1] | orcish_idol[1] | penance[1] | penance[2] | ru_reasons[2] | sif_muna_wrath[1] | sorear_wrath[1] | the_shining_one_wrath[1] | trog_wra... 13:37:49 ?/33% 13:37:50 Matching entries (10): beogh_retribution[1] | ephemeral_infusion[2] | fighting_bonus[1] | haste[1] | manticore[2] | qazlal_wrath[1] | resistance[1] | resistance[2] | ru_retaliation[1] | trog_wrath[1] 13:37:56 ??ru_retaliation 13:37:56 ru retaliation[1/1]: Worshippers of Ru at ** piety retaliate against attackers. The chance to retaliate scales linearly up to 33% at max piety. After that, a number gets generated that increases with damage dealt and decreases with attacker HD. The higher the number is, the more severe the status that's applied from the list: silence, paralysis, slow, blind, corona. 13:38:27 That's still reasonably accurate 13:38:59 !learn add rutribution see {ru_retaliation} 13:38:59 rutribution[1/1]: see {ru_retaliation} 13:39:08 You're doing god's work 13:39:21 which god's?!?! 13:39:37 Shiva, probably 13:42:01 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:46:13 -!- RWind has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:15 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:49:20 -!- Leissi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:40 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:13 !learn add lasty_to_do buff dark maul to the point where it's not just a joke weapon 13:51:13 lasty to do[8/8]: buff dark maul to the point where it's not just a joke weapon 13:53:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:11 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1] 13:57:23 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:30 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 14:02:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:02:39 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:20 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:58 -!- Anchorite has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:06:14 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:52 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:10:30 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:11:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:14:54 Wiz mode fight sim doesn't account for dithmenos shadow mimic 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9420 by Berder 14:20:12 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 14:24:58 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:40 -!- Xen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28:21 From GDD: "an activated ability that gives you a 'wrestling' status effect - instead of hitting monsters in meele, you swap places with them. You can't stop the ability at will". 14:28:22 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:34 Somebody help me! I can't stop wrestling things! 14:34:01 did you decrease the "+twstr" spawning? 14:34:24 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:04 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:29 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36:40 i,i a 'wresting' status effect - you sometimes get one last use out of an empty wand 14:36:50 <_miek> TBH I do think that a swap ability could be very useful at times 14:37:05 <_miek> don't know if that means it should definitely be in the game 14:38:51 Wrstl 14:42:25 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43:28 *wrstl lol 14:43:59 its not agi, it's Agi 14:44:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:41 I mean *wrstl as a item property 14:44:53 uncontrollable wrestling 14:46:34 rockygargoyle: It got decreased a couple times over the last week or so 14:46:59 in my last game I found like 5 in 3 runes, in this one I found none 14:47:18 There's talk of making it into a rod or unique item property and not a randart property 14:47:51 making it a rod effect would be interesting 14:50:44 Or replace the lantern of shadows with the hurricane lamp :D :D 14:50:59 wow 14:51:29 summons twisters at the same rate lantern summons shadows 14:52:19 Who wouldn't want that? :D 14:53:39 probably only the people that sacrificed evoc 14:57:17 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:43 -!- ark_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:54 did you guys make orbrun harder? 15:06:32 because there are two newbies who have splatted after their first orb pickup 15:06:35 it's a bit sad 15:06:47 I was watching one 15:07:00 he was a Ds and got one of those seraphs 15:07:14 +another panlord at the same time 15:07:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:52 ??devteam[wheals 15:07:53 devteam[12/27]: all deaths are good 15:07:59 that was more or less my first orbrunsplat too. I don't *think* it's harder,,, 15:08:03 good thing I said that before he joined 15:08:17 * wheals hides under the floor! 15:08:28 (granted mine was offline... damn local notwork) 15:09:27 !lg * s=banisher 15:09:32 3909961 games for *: 3909886x, 11x Erolcha, 8x Louise, 7x Psyche, 7x an orc, 5x Sonja, 4x a deep elf demonologist, 3x a distortion unwield, 2x the power of Zot, 2x Sigmund, 2x a deep elf sorcerer, 2x a kobold, 2x an orc warrior, 2x a wizard, Jabberwocky's ghost, an ogre mage, a ghostly deep elf sorcerer, a lich, an orc high priest, a scimitar of distortion, executioner's axe of distortion, a big k... 15:10:08 !lg * s=-banisher 15:10:08 -!- Z_LAMP is now known as Cerpin 15:10:13 3909963 games for *: an orc wizard, Edmund, Rupert, the severe capriciousness of Xom, a trident of distortion, RodericNull's ghost, the capriciousness of Xom, a vault warden, an orc priest, a crimson imp, a big kobold, executioner's axe of distortion, a scimitar of distortion, an orc high priest, a ghostly deep elf sorcerer, an ogre mage, a lich, Jabberwocky's ghost, 2x a wizard, 2x an orc warrior... 15:10:41 ...otoh maybe something is a bit odd at the moment. D:4 water moccasin, and I just found a +2 gmace of crushing on the floor. wat 15:10:56 I thought gmaces were restricted these days 15:11:19 restricted in what sense? 15:11:31 "not in D" 15:11:45 at one point they were only spawning in depths, I think 15:11:50 all weapons can be found on D:1, i think 15:11:54 AFAIK, no 15:12:22 they're no longer on orc warriors/ogres/ettins was the change 15:12:35 they're natural generation is still the smae 15:12:37 *same 15:12:40 *their 15:12:42 ugh 15:13:03 * wheals hides farther under the floor! 15:13:37 the orbrun seraphs are new though, right? 15:13:45 yes 15:14:27 yeah, was just saying before you joined about a poor dude who had never won getting one in orbrun as a Ds 15:14:29 though seraphs aren't nearly as scary as panlords. Unless they also got buffed recently. 15:14:59 if you are vulnerable to holy they are 15:15:18 unknown monster: "serapj" 15:15:18 %?? serapj 15:15:21 seraph (13A) | Spd: 10 | HD: 25 | HP: 187-229 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 25, 10 | 08holy, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 5780 | Sp: minor healing (2d12) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:15:21 %?? seraph 15:15:31 nah 15:15:32 they summon lots of angels 15:15:38 and things 15:15:40 need sodairbiehc to return 15:15:46 I guess Chei is out of date 15:15:50 yeah 15:16:15 Man, that weenie shown in Chei there doesn't deserve 5780 XP pricetag 15:16:35 he also has a blessed great sword of flaming! 15:17:36 the seraph that got me was really smite-happy 15:17:37 Lasty_: seraphs also summon holies or something 15:17:48 not sure why chei doesn't know about that 15:17:49 yet that doesn't seem to show smite 15:18:14 elliptic: Chei is months out of date 15:18:34 It's still got Caustic Shrike Classic 15:18:37 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 17 | HP: 90-128 | AC/EV: 10/18 | Dam: 4008(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4359 | Sz: tiny | Int: normal. 15:18:37 %?? caustic shrike 15:18:37 ah 15:18:52 anyway qw seems to like to die to orbrun seraphs 15:18:58 this is all I know about them 15:19:17 summoning fast monsters and smiters is a pretty dangerous thing to be able to do 15:23:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:01 -!- RodericNull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:42 elliptic: good 15:44:57 <|amethyst> Yeah, I managed to get monster built on cszo, but not commit announcement so I can't move chei yet 15:45:15 !lg * ikiller=seraph 15:45:15 3. eld the Executioner (L26 MiBe of The Shining One), slain by a seraph (a +6 great sword of flaming) in Pandemonium (evilmike_holy_pan) on 2015-01-19 06:48:10, with 752419 points after 25031 turns and 5:52:38. 15:45:18 ! 15:45:28 !lg * ikiller=seraph -tv 15:45:29 3. eld, XL26 MiBe, T:25031 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 15:45:36 <|amethyst> and I can't run the cszo binaries on chei's host because the system libc is too old 15:47:26 wow 15:49:17 shoals-lite hasn't gotten a lot of play. http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/experimentals/0.16/branches/shoals-lite.html 15:49:33 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:36 maybe I should advertise it comes with Wizmode4All 15:54:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:32 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:29 -!- Boris is now known as ldf_ 15:57:51 -!- GameKnut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:34 -!- bullock has quit [Client Quit] 16:01:42 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:01:52 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 16:02:06 -!- ldf_ is now known as ldf 16:06:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:59 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:41 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:17 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:03 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:28 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:54 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:54 johnstein: perhaps because it was merged? :) 16:20:43 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:05 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:40 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:52 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:26:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:35 !tell PleasingFungus: Why is ARTP_NOISES on melee weapons only? 16:27:35 Sorry Lasty_, I don't know who pleasingfungus: is. 16:27:35 !tell PleasingFungus Why is ARTP_NOISES on melee weapons only? 16:27:35 Lasty_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:27:35 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:35 -!- Anchorite has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:18 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 16:28:26 because it only activates on melee 16:28:37 Really? 16:28:43 huh 16:28:56 !tell pleasingfungus never mind, wheals clued me in 16:28:56 Lasty_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 16:29:31 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:46 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:43 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:25 it used to do it all the time, but it was changed since you could just swap the artefact in and out 16:33:29 well 16:33:39 i guess the old way could still work on armour 16:34:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:37 or in conjunction w/ Contam 16:35:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:25 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:36:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:00 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:57 -!- dingbat has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:59 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:13 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:35 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:19 johnstein: ya, I'm still super grateful for you for getting shoals-lite set up with wizmode & all! It was a cool experiment. but I think ultimately that sort of change doesn't work well as a playable branch 16:48:32 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:55 and hey, now if we need wizmode for any future experimental branches, it'll be much easier to set up! 16:50:21 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:17 -!- cykeltillsalu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:51:58 !seen kvaak 16:51:58 I last saw kvaak at Tue Jan 20 22:18:50 2015 UTC (33m 8s ago) saying 'or rather, of all the problems' on ##crawl. 16:52:14 I'm right here 16:52:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:28 bearkin doesn't seem they got their deformed body mut yet 16:52:44 yes well that is not something for me to decide 16:52:50 I make the patch, someone else uploads it 16:53:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:22 or rather, pushes it 16:54:30 the patch has been up on mantis all the time 16:54:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:55 it will never be merged. 16:58:01 I'm sorry, kvaak. we're through with you. 16:58:07 you are hereby BANNED. 16:58:25 please put your code in a box; orb guardians will be here shortly to escort you out of the channel. 16:58:36 I NEVER LOVED YOU ANYWAY 16:58:47 LET IT GO 16:59:13 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:11 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:49 -!- RWind has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:01 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:05 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:06:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:49 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:25 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:36 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:42 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:42 -!- ROCKYGARGOYLE has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:05 -!- ROCKYGARGOYLE is now known as rockygargoyle 17:17:28 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:20 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:21:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:40 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:07 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:11 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3722-g5e7e3b6 (34) 17:31:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:22 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:08 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:19 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:28 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:12 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:38:56 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:00 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:42 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:47:35 !tell johnstein were you able to pull the dbro branch from my dgamelaunch_config repo and try it out? Just let met know if you do. 17:47:36 gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 17:47:59 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:54 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:14 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:31 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:01 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:57:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:56 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:44 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:50 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:26 !tell |amethyst I implemented a crude version of the dgn.persist analogue for players that we were talking about the other day - any thoughts? https://bpaste.net/raw/d0ffc920b956 18:04:26 elliptic: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 18:05:13 ! 18:05:23 <|amethyst> chequers: every once in a while the milestone fetch on cpo hangs forever 18:05:23 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:05:32 elliptic: this looks amazing for gw 18:05:35 and company 18:05:38 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:57 <|amethyst> chequers: right now it's sitting at 2015-01-17 21:08:58,438 [INFO] Fetching remote https://crawl.project357.org//dcss-milestones-trunk to data/cpo-milestone-git with wget -c (it's 17:05 20 January server time) 18:06:25 Grunt: I can imagine some cool potential uses for humans as well 18:06:53 show this to xw imo 18:06:55 rip mapnotes 18:06:55 rip 18:06:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:30 it's already possible to avoid mapnotes of course 18:07:38 elliptic: HDA will come up with some innovative uses for it, I'm sure 18:07:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:41 elliptic: needs some limits on the amount of records to read maybe? 18:08:04 I guess maybe on the write side, but perhaps the clua memory limits handle that 18:08:14 gammafunk: imo get a clua 18:08:15 it might need something yeah 18:08:26 Grunt: damn 18:08:57 Grunt: You're being dluasional 18:09:05 I think clua throttling stops the worst abuses, but without clua throttling you can probably manage to write exponentially large files if you try 18:09:27 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm, so the servers would probably want DGL_NAMED_PERSIST_FILE 18:09:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: since the rcfile directory is shared among all users 18:09:51 |amethyst: yeah, I basically just copied all the macro file stuff that I could find... I don't know if there is a better way of handling this 18:09:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:18 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:19 <|amethyst> hm 18:10:22 <|amethyst> oh 18:10:30 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:39 <|amethyst> currently they pass in -rc and -macro by hand to get the filename right 18:12:01 |amethyst: yeah, I added a -persist so that could be used 18:12:10 <|amethyst> so I guess everyone's webtiles and dgamelaunch config would need to be updated 18:12:15 oh, with this I could even make a macro for players to try/save tile offsets in-game 18:12:46 |amethyst: right, I don't know if there is a way of getting around that 18:12:49 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:13 <|amethyst> elliptic: my gut reaction "just make it work" hack would be to by default add ".persist" to the rc file name 18:13:14 |amethyst: it feels a little wasteful to have -macro and -persist options be separate 18:13:39 so yeah, I could see just modifying the .macro or .rc name 18:13:46 <|amethyst> so online players would have qw.rc.persist 18:13:48 I considered trying to do that but got confused by all the options 18:13:50 <|amethyst> or could even make it qw.persist 18:14:08 <|amethyst> Yeah, I'm not sure how all of the ways of setting those things interact 18:14:41 -!- GameKnut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:20 <|amethyst> I wonder if you could spread a virus through this :) 18:15:26 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:42 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:47 HilariousDeathArtist.rc is already a virus 18:15:58 <|amethyst> self-copying I mean 18:16:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:16 <|amethyst> (propagating through sharing saves, since you have the Lua chunk there too) 18:17:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:28 you can't save or call functions via this c_persist thing so there is some limit to how much it can help with that :) 18:19:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:44 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:42 -!- Big_guy has quit [] 18:25:53 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:21 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:28:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:05 -!- cykeltillsalu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:30 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:54 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:22 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:46 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:36:35 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:45 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:32 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:42:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:54 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:47 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:46:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:09 <|amethyst> elliptic: it looks like CLua::save_persist() calls c_save_persist and saves whatever it returns (and load_persist evaluates whatever is in the file) 18:46:20 <|amethyst> elliptic: couldn't the user replace c_save_persist? 18:47:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:44 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:29 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:39 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:55:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:56 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:40 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:59:09 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:35 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:43 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:44 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:00 -!- Infinity__ has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:45 -!- reaverb has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:03:53 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 19:04:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:54 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:36 so why the name PleasingFungus 19:05:45 ? 19:06:02 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:12 PleasingFungus sporulates for attention! 19:06:14 i was just wondering 19:06:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotylidae 19:06:47 ! 19:07:03 i see! 19:07:48 pleasingfungus beetle (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 27 | HP: 81-111 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7758 | Sz: little | Int: insect. 19:07:48 %??death scarab name:pleasingfungus_beetle n_rpl n_des hd:27 19:08:02 I'm not sure that's very pleasing.......... 19:08:38 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:43 it should summon mushrooms too 19:08:48 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:58 it's pleasing to somebody 19:09:07 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:09:10 pleasingfungus beetle (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 27 | HP: 81-111 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9570 | Sp: sum.mushrooms [11!AM, 06!sil], s.torment [11!AM, 06!sil], sum.scarabs [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: insect. 19:09:10 %??death scarab name:pleasingfungus_beetle n_rpl n_des hd:27 spells:summon_mushrooms.40.natural;symbol_of_torment.40.natural;summon_scarabs.40.natural 19:09:23 torment is extremely pleasing. 19:09:26 where did that boris branch go? 19:09:41 !learn add pleasingfungus torment is extremely pleasing. 19:09:42 pleasingfungus[20/20]: torment is extremely pleasing. 19:09:45 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:47 %git boriscaling 19:09:52 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3107-gdb683fe: Fix debug_monspells tests for newboris 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 11+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db683fedd00e 19:09:58 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:01 I should do something with that. 19:11:06 Boris (05L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 154 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 25, 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5753 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), b.cold (3d32), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:11:06 %??Boris 19:11:14 certainly there's room for more overkill 19:11:21 that is not what boris scaling does 19:11:38 not currently 19:11:50 but he becomes a joke pretty fast 19:11:55 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:16 everytime you kill him, his HD doubles 19:12:53 Boris (05X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, evil, spellcaster, regen | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 15000 | Sp: iron shot (3d1341), b.cold (3d1098), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d57) | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 19:12:53 %??test spawner name:Boris n_rpl col:red spells:iron_shot.40.wizard;bolt_of_cold.40.wizard;invisibility.40.wizard;animate_dead.40.wizard;orb_of_destruction.40.wizard 19:13:21 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:55 ??bearkin 19:14:56 bearkin[1/5]: Experimental BEAR race that makes solid bearserkers and bear wizards. You get lots of bear hp and bear claws and bear fangs and even more bear claws. Playable on beartato (CBRO)! 19:15:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:49 |amethyst: hm, interesting. I guess I'd suggest adding a timeout to mitigate the problem because I don't have an immediate solution 19:16:00 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:16:15 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19:02 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:23 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:27 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3723-g348f367: Don't trigger shadow traps with weird summons 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=348f36770989 19:21:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:59 excuse me, there are no *weird* summons 19:24:04 please stop judging 19:24:06 gammafunk: weirdo............ 19:24:35 Grunt: You are a level 10 High Elf Summoner. You are 82% of the way to level 11. 19:24:37 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:42 gammafunk: weirdo................................. 19:24:45 not weird, but in fact beautiful 19:24:54 not very glamorous 19:24:58 everyone's beautiful in their own special way 19:25:08 glamour is for Grey Elves silly 19:25:10 it's just that in some cases that way is very special indeed 19:25:14 gammafunk isn't that old yet!! 19:25:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:29 ??glamour 19:25:29 glamour[1/1]: An ability grey elves received in old versions of crawl at xl 5. It tried to confuse, paralyze, charm, or scare nearby humanoids. It sucked. 19:25:40 It was like Recite, but strictly worse. 19:25:49 like current recite or old old recite 19:25:56 Both. 19:25:56 no just one turn 19:25:58 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:04 wasn't it one turn? 19:26:11 fr bring back grey elves but cooler 19:26:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:42 recite only takes one turn to activate... 19:29:05 currently, yes 19:29:05 it behaved differently in the past 19:29:12 but I do forget just how it behaved 19:29:22 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:23 Recite used to halt other actions while it was active 19:29:27 Glamour was a one-turn ability 19:29:31 yeah 19:29:45 %git HEAD^{/ecite.*urat.*elay} 19:29:45 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-8-g505f426: Don't use MSGCH_MULTITURN for recite messages 10(10 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=505f426bffe5 19:29:52 %git HEAD^{/ecite.*urat.*elay}^^{/ecite.*urat.*elay} 19:29:52 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-2446-g1848915: Turn Recite into a duration instead of a delay. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 16 files, 148+ 133-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=18489159b62e 19:29:55 ^ 19:29:59 wow was it really that long ago now 19:30:14 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:21 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3724-gf14d081: Allow friendly summons to enter Shadow traps 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f14d081dbf9d 19:31:13 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 19:31:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:53 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:31:55 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:26 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:30 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:39 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:37:27 Grunt: yeah that recite change you made feels like it happened not long after me joining the team 19:37:38 I remember people were like "thank *Grunt* for that" 19:37:48 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:27 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:38:31 ya 19:38:33 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:42 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:06 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:13 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:45 Xom banishing people from D:8 is so mean 19:45:05 they had it coming 19:45:10 Why else would they worship Xom? 19:45:18 Lasty: I got banished on d:2 as a felid, and in my los after banishment were two hell sentinels 19:45:26 did you live 19:45:32 I did, escaped 19:45:35 and died later in D 19:45:37 nice 19:45:39 heh 19:45:43 they were right on the edge of los at least 19:45:49 !lg * current trunk banisher!= s=banisher 19:45:51 76 games for * (current trunk banisher!=): 11x Erolcha, 8x Louise, 7x Psyche, 7x an orc, 6x Sonja, 4x a deep elf demonologist, 3x a distortion unwield, 2x a wizard, 2x the power of Zot, 2x Sigmund, 2x a kobold, 2x an orc warrior, 2x a deep elf sorcerer, Jabberwocky's ghost, an orc wizard, a ghostly deep elf sorcerer, a lich, Rupert, an orc high priest, a scimitar of distortion, executioner's axe o... 19:46:03 !kw banish 19:46:04 No keyword 'banish' 19:46:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:13 hrm, what's a query for a xom abyssing? 19:46:26 br.enter=abyss with something maybe 19:46:30 probably 19:46:34 Banished by the power of Zot. That's rough 19:46:42 it happens 19:46:48 I once had a dire elephant trample me off a zot trap 19:46:52 and trigger a banishment 19:47:03 huh, you can get ghost banished 19:47:05 rip 19:47:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:31 distortion & chaos weapons, yes 19:47:33 my first orb run involved zot trap banishment from a z:5 lung when I was near death 19:48:25 !lm . 19:48:26 11618. [2015-01-21 01:47:51] gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Swamp on turn 6740. (Lair:6) 19:48:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:34 not a bad elf 19:48:51 will have to give him a break and switch to vswz^Ru 19:49:15 wz^ru sound iffy 19:49:19 *soudns 19:49:21 fuck 19:49:32 gammafunk: what's the worst combo? 19:49:38 naw, WzRu is fine 19:49:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:49:49 bh: probably mumo going uc 19:49:51 from d:1 19:49:53 wizzrubes 19:49:59 yeah Wz^Ru is def fine 19:50:01 wizrobes 19:50:26 Wz is a good mage start for going into melee 19:50:35 can sac arcana with relatively little worry 19:50:46 not sure I'll follow lasty's advice to sac artifice 19:50:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:57 !lg . wz won 19:50:57 No games for bh (wz won). 19:51:01 !lg . og won 19:51:02 1. bh the Shatterer (L25 OgDK of Yredelemnul), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-04-18 03:11:41, with 1694878 points after 62871 turns and 6:44:34. 19:51:05 Lasty: have you ever sacced artifice in one of your games? 19:51:11 gammafunk: yeah, several 19:51:16 I guess I can query that 19:51:45 !kw sacrifice 19:51:45 Built-in: sacrifice => verb=sacrifice 19:51:50 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:51 !lm lasty sacrifice=artifice 19:51:52 No milestones for lasty (sacrifice=artifice). 19:51:54 !sacrifice gammafunk 19:51:54 * Sequell sacrifices gammafunk! 19:52:00 !lm lasty sacrifice s=verb 19:52:01 31 milestones for lasty (sacrifice): 31x sacrifice 19:52:03 !lm lasty sacrifice s=noun 19:52:03 31 milestones for lasty (sacrifice): 5x evocations, 4x hand, 4x words, 3x arcana, 3x purity, 3x stealth, 2x armour, 2x courage, 2x drink, essence, love, health 19:52:07 ah 19:52:08 evocations 19:52:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:14 !sacrifice love 19:52:14 * Sequell sacrifices love! 19:52:19 .echo /me is now hated by all. 19:52:19 * Sequell is now hated by all. 19:52:33 !lm lasty sacrifice noun=evocation won s=char 19:52:34 No milestones for lasty (sacrifice noun=evocation won). 19:52:40 ...Lasty... 19:52:43 god I hate Xom 19:52:44 !lm lasty sacrifice noun=evocations won s=char 19:52:44 3 milestones for lasty (sacrifice noun=evocations won): HuWn, HuMo, HuWz 19:52:49 hi gammafunk... 19:52:49 .echo .echo /me is now hated by all. 19:52:49 .echo /me is now hated by all. 19:52:55 oh 19:52:56 hehe 19:53:02 nicolae- is now hated by all. 19:53:05 .echo ??Grunt 19:53:06 ??Grunt 19:53:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:13 damn 19:53:18 Sorry nicolae-, that man is dead. 19:53:19 !lg lasty huwz god=ru won -log 19:53:20 1. Lasty, XL27 HuWz, T:83223: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150105-022716.txt 19:53:33 yeah, see? necro 19:53:41 just the kind of school I'd use over conj 19:53:44 oh but 15 conj 19:53:58 man and 15 ice 19:54:23 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:37 ??sid 19:54:37 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo si/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none | VS sd/4 19:56:05 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:02 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:57:04 -!- read has quit [Quit: class] 19:57:20 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:31 !lg * current trunk snake s=ikiller 19:58:31 1100 games for * (current trunk snake): 155x a naga sharpshooter, 148x a shock serpent, 137x Vashnia, 108x a greater naga, 65x a naga warrior, 48x an anaconda, 39x, 34x a black mamba, 34x a guardian serpent, 31x a salamander, 30x a naga ritualist, 27x a naga mage, 19x Jorgrun, 18x Asterion, 17x a mana viper, 16x Aizul, 16x a salamander mystic, 16x a naga, 15x Azrael, 10x Agnes, 9x Mara (illusionar... 19:58:48 gammafunk: that's how I roll 19:58:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:01 Lasty: that char is a bit weird... 19:59:10 20 necro for the +9 spear 19:59:13 So's your face! 19:59:13 I guess that wors 19:59:14 ??pain 19:59:14 pain[1/3]: L1 necro spell, exclusive to the Book of Necromancy. Inflicts 1hp non-fatal damage on the caster. Does 1d(4 + pow/5) damage, with a limit of 25 power, and bypasses AC - but checks MR and only affects monsters without life protection, or players without torment immunity. 19:59:16 Lasty: imo 19:59:17 you should 19:59:20 roll a new character 19:59:23 ??pain[2 19:59:23 pain brand[1/2]: Brand which inflicts 1d(necromancy skill) extra damage on necro out of necro+1 successful hits. Does not affect those with rN (demons, undead, unliving, shadow dragons, death drakes, holies). (For the record, a monster's necromancy skill is HD/2, HD if undead or demonic, 0 if mindless/animal). Begins to edge out {elec brand} at 10 skill. 19:59:32 also for necro 19:59:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:43 Grunt: why? 19:59:45 Lasty: look at your action table! 19:59:50 You don't use necro spells! 20:00:04 I used agony a lot 20:00:09 agony is so good 20:00:10 or am I thinking of the wrong char? 20:00:19 yeah not this one 20:00:23 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:23 you had the spell but didn't use it 20:00:30 sometimes I forget to use things 20:00:30 Lasty: I was trying to make a joke based on roll :( 20:00:32 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150105-022716.txt 20:00:44 ??qazlal 20:00:44 qazlal[1/7]: The violent god of natural disasters. Gives SH, temporary resists, RMsl, and clouds surrounding you in a small radius (and immunity to all friendly clouds). See also {upheaval}, {disaster area}, and {elemental force}. 20:00:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:48 I agree agony is very good, but only when you use it 20:00:59 but I could see going necro, esp with a pain weapon 20:00:59 true story 20:01:11 although an ordinary spear doesn't sound super great 20:01:32 I guess having the demon trident will help of course 20:01:40 against necro-vuln stuff, it's just fine 20:01:42 |amethyst: hm, right, I forget whether making c_save_persist local fixes that 20:01:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:03 but yeah, that's why demon trident for backup 20:02:07 Lasty: yeah, I'm not sure where the point is where that demon trident is better 20:02:17 |amethyst: it's still just clua that is being called, so not immediately abusable at least 20:02:18 and bolt of cold 20:02:56 yeah I'd not really want to train 15 each of ice, conj for some bolt of cold over just 15 evo, but you do need some conj already to play the wiz, so 20:03:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:28 guess it helped that you had tons of AC+ and EV+ stuff! 20:03:31 yeah, I already had some sunk there 20:03:34 those tend to help 20:03:45 and +11 slaying 20:03:48 then you can be a bit more splurgy with extra schools 20:03:51 so fast, weak weapons were fine 20:03:57 -!- Yll has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:04:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:25 !tell gammafunk https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=203652#p203652 he just gets better and better 20:06:25 minmay: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 20:07:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:26 i can see why he would go to the tavern 20:08:08 I wish he would stop trying to give advice 20:08:12 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:25 ug 20:08:25 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:08:39 ??ug 20:08:39 I don't have a page labeled ug in my learndb. Did you mean: aug, bug, dg, lg, og, u, uc. 20:08:42 aw 20:08:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:52 well he was shunned for giving too much advice based on his own experiences 20:08:58 so now he uses sequell bot results only 20:09:14 i guess you cant blame him 20:09:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:02 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:37 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:54 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:12:07 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 20:12:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:52 DrKe: I really hope he starts lecture mikee about dith at some point 20:13:25 I mean I know it won't happen but I can hope 20:13:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:02 <|amethyst> oh, I figured he was shunned for giving too much advice based on his own logic 20:14:03 why do you think it won't happen? 20:14:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:30 well only one of those two would be willing to argue about dith 20:15:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:28 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:17 he was shunned for going against the elite #crawl clique of players 20:17:32 he dared to disagree with them so he wasnt allowed into the inner circle 20:17:49 even though his logic was sound 20:17:56 haha 20:18:50 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:09 elite players like DrKe 20:19:20 drke is cool, good, and my friend. 20:19:43 those are the tenets you have to accept 20:19:54 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:59 he became an instant pariah for going against it 20:20:16 despite his potentially awesome skills 20:20:52 You do a good damiac immpression 20:21:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:19 <_miek> lol when he took that data I tried to explain that Dith % doesn't really mean anything 20:26:23 <_miek> of course he posts it anyway 20:26:44 lugonu is clearly the best tho 20:27:05 is there any particular reason you just don't pretend he doesn't exist 20:27:06 just pick her in temple 20:27:12 its funny 20:27:17 i guess 20:27:57 but the amount of interaction should be limited 20:29:29 Current Xom is so amazingly unpleasant 20:30:21 xom is very good. 20:30:30 just look at all the muts xhe gives you! 20:30:30 his piety gain is quite good 20:34:00 But you know who has really good piety gain? 20:34:04 Dithmenos. 20:34:16 That's why I play octopodes. Because 8 rings helps with wizardry. 20:34:57 SpEn (of dith) is a fairly good and easy combo 20:35:14 No, octopodes. They make the best mages. They have many rings slots, so wizardry. 20:35:39 you need it so you can get firestorm, lichform, shatter, and tornado working 20:35:45 e.g. a decent character 20:35:56 kvaak: well he gives an awful lot of bad advice and someone has to fix that 20:36:13 -!- RWind has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36:31 simmarine: did you see he's giving his bad advice to the root admin of tavern now 20:36:39 no 20:36:43 (who was last seen giving even worse advice, admittedly) 20:37:03 i did see him trying to advise the person who just got greatergh why ghouls are so good though 20:37:06 i am not sure how he gives bad advice at this point 20:37:12 hes played enough to know 20:37:16 doesnt he actually win yes 20:37:18 simmarine: well that's the same thread 20:37:19 <_miek> its really weird, because he's obviously quite a competent player 20:37:28 well, if you spam the same thing often enough, you eventually win 20:37:40 <_miek> his winrate is decent too 20:38:04 <_miek> !gamesby berder 20:38:05 berder has played 419 games, between 2014-07-16 15:23:41 and 2015-01-21 00:53:10, won 43 (10.3%), high score 19903029, total score 188562726, total turns 9789813, play-time/day 6:05:22, total time 48d+5:00:48. 20:38:10 DrKe: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=133215#p133215 20:38:22 he knows how to play one style well enough to win sometimes, but it turns out you don't have to be actually good to do that 20:38:25 oh oops I misssed the "how" nevermind 20:38:39 !lg berder won x=avg(dur) 20:38:40 this chat feels more ##crawl than ##crawl-dev, tbh. 20:38:40 43 games for berder (won): avg(dur)=13:46:48 20:38:49 unless berder has powerful insights into the future development of crawl. 20:38:54 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:39:17 my fault for going to the easier-to-reach irc window for my !tell, and not using PM, i guess 20:39:19 he does. Didn't you see how we need to make a heavy armour caster species that's good at both because otherwise crawl is too boring? 20:39:25 its ok 20:39:44 Lasty: why do you think I play so much dg??? 20:39:51 alternately, fo, or gr 20:39:55 Don't tell anyone about the cheatcode called Dg 20:39:57 or Chei, even 20:40:04 ??dg[japan 20:40:04 dgwn[1/2]: when I first started playing I met some Japanese players who were remarkably better than anyone I've seen play, to this day, and they said that Demigod Wanderers were so easy to ascend with that they classified runs as DgWn runs and Non-DgWn runs 20:40:14 <3 20:40:28 the mighty dgwn 20:40:40 !hs . dgwn 20:40:40 No games for PleasingFungus (dgwn). 20:40:42 oh 20:40:43 right 20:40:49 that was panrobin 20:40:56 didnt berder tell a guy to switch to chei for extended 20:41:29 <_miek> wow he takes average of 14 hours? 20:41:31 <_miek> that's pretty bad 20:41:54 <|amethyst> !lg * dg / won s=src o=% 20:41:55 593/81121 games for * (dg): 1/20x cpo [5.00%], 9/188x cxc [4.79%], 3/141x lld [2.13%], 10/620x cbro [1.61%], 41/3389x clan [1.21%], 199/16520x cszo [1.20%], 187/30823x cao [0.61%], 135/26820x cdo [0.50%], 1/321x rhf [0.31%], 7/2279x ckr [0.31%] 20:41:59 i dont necessarily classify slow players as bad 20:42:00 arent tiles games generally really slow 20:42:02 !lg . won x=avg(dur) 20:42:03 34 games for PleasingFungus (won): avg(dur)=9:04:03 20:42:09 but I'm bad 20:42:09 magicalfaerieponies (L16 TrMo) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 114: ZotDef: monster ice statue failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 20:42:10 but he is probably not traditionally good 20:42:11 in that sense 20:42:16 honestly I think slow players are probably better than fast ones 20:42:19 on average 20:42:31 i mean i dont want to bias against people who play with lag/tiles 20:42:32 or lag+tiles 20:42:38 for starters 20:42:42 LagTiles 20:43:02 or who play while compiling <.< >.> 20:43:03 its definitely harder to play fast and not die than to play slow and not die, obviously 20:43:09 but character choice comes into that too 20:43:15 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14512&p=200531#p200531 "Necromutation is good for most mages since it doesn't slow them down." 20:44:05 <_miek> !lg . x=avg(dur) 20:44:05 420 games for _miek: avg(dur)=0:45:35 20:44:08 <_miek> !lg . x=avg(dur) won 20:44:09 8 games for _miek (won): avg(dur)=10:29:31 20:44:16 <_miek> hmmm yeah I'm not much better 20:44:37 you don't really take this game seriously 20:44:40 like berder does 20:45:08 <_miek> true 20:45:19 <_miek> but in Berder's defense, I also don't play extended 20:45:23 <_miek> which means his games should be longer 20:45:45 if you have practice doing extended it goes by pretty quick 20:45:52 the first few times its ungodly-slow 20:46:39 !lg . won recent x=avg(dur) 20:46:40 21 games for minmay (won recent): avg(dur)=4:02:02 20:47:30 Is it a spoiler that Xom berserk doesn't time out when you run away/ 20:47:45 !lg . won recent x=avg(dur) 20:47:46 80 games for DrKe (won recent): avg(dur)=5:25:10 20:47:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 20:47:53 Is that really a thing? Probably. 20:47:54 !lg . won recent x=avg(dur) urune=3 20:47:55 43 games for DrKe (won recent urune=3): avg(dur)=4:50:09 20:47:57 dang 20:47:59 re: Lasty 20:48:06 !lg . won recent x=avg(dur) urune=15 20:48:06 13 games for DrKe (won recent urune=15): avg(dur)=7:47:12 20:48:09 well if xom berserk worked like non-xom berserk then it would never have any effect 20:48:14 reaverb: yeah, learned that by accident 20:48:15 other than using some turns and nutrition 20:48:35 minmay: xom berserks me in combat relatively often, usually when it sucks 20:49:29 ??shoals-lite 20:49:29 johnstein: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:49:29 shoals-lite[1/2]: Tides only go between shallow water & land (never deep water); fifteen times faster than classic crawl. Modeled off what word of mouth claims Crawl Lite does with Shoals. Playable on cbro (with wizmode!) 20:49:39 that got merged? 20:50:41 Xom abyssed from 9 this time. For fuck's sake. 20:50:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:54:17 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:35 -!- ruwin has quit [] 20:58:38 !lg . won x=dur 20:58:39 21. [dur=9:50:40] gammafunk the Bludgeoner (L27 FoAK of Lugonu), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-12 18:17:30, with 1456465 points after 97233 turns and 9:50:40. 20:58:49 !lg gammafunk won min=dur x=dur 20:58:50 21. [dur=8:46:42] gammafunk the Wrestler (L27 TrWr of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-25 09:32:40, with 1589924 points after 82508 turns and 8:46:42. 20:59:14 !lg devteamnp won s=name x=min(dur) o=-min(dur) 20:59:14 1480 games for devteamnp (won): 464x 78291 [1:11:51], 230x elliptic [1:29:32], 23x wheals [2:32:54], 72x Medar [2:40:33], 107x MarvinPA [2:57:52], 58x rob [3:29:20], 41x SGrunt [3:31:08], 58x Lasty [3:46:00], 34x PleasingFungus [3:51:13], 70x itsmu [4:20:18], 62x evilmike [4:32:36], 50x pointless [4:53:38], 9x ontoclasm [5:10:30], 36x doy [6:00:41], 26x sorear [6:22:15], 12x bh [6:44:34], 22x dpeg... 20:59:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:22 hey 20:59:25 wow 20:59:28 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 21:00:04 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 21:00:07 !lm devteamnp name!=elliptic name!=78291 rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal s=dur,name o=-duur 21:00:07 Bad filter condition: 'duur' (extra: ) 21:00:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:09 !lm devteamnp name!=elliptic name!=78291 rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal s=dur,name o=-dur 21:00:11 5908 milestones for devteamnp (name!=elliptic name!=78291 rune noun!=slimy noun!=abyssal): 0:54:00 (MarvinPA), 0:57:20 (MarvinPA), 1:02:19 (MarvinPA), 1:03:24 (MarvinPA), 1:04:00 (MarvinPA), 1:04:01 (gammafunk), 1:05:16 (MarvinPA), 1:09:19 (rob), 1:12:08 (MarvinPA), 1:12:16 (gammafunk), 1:13:58 (gammafunk), 1:14:21 (MarvinPA), 1:16:16 (gammafunk), 1:16:57 (MarvinPA), 1:17:03 (gammafunk), 1:18:39 (... 21:00:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:00:53 I should try to win in 4 or 5 hours some time 21:01:19 imo win in 1 and change 21:01:37 one of these days I'm going to attempt that 21:01:41 win in five minutes with the power of cheating 21:01:42 I think I would excel at it 21:01:49 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:02:11 one day i'll submit a vault that's ridiculously obfuscated luawise so no one notices that it'll put the orb in the arrival vault on D:1 if your name is nicolae... 21:02:37 |amethyst: yeah, I guess it isn't really possible to prevent players from overriding the function and having it call whatever clua they want when they load the game... not really a problem I think given that they can already essentially do that with ready() 21:03:11 %git :/shoals-lite 21:03:11 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3618-g765a269: Merge branch 'master' into shoals-lite 10(8 days ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=765a2693ea50 21:03:22 -!- Jeffrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:10 Grunt: IMO attempt that with gw 21:04:35 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:04:57 <|amethyst> elliptic: my concern, and it's a minor one, was that someone can make a save file (using the Lua chunk and the old clua persistance) that, when you run it, overwrites your persist file; and that the persist file could contain code that adds that chunk to save files when they're loaded 21:05:41 <|amethyst> elliptic: which I guess really means, you should give a differe -persist dir when loading an untrusted save 21:05:47 <|amethyst> s/fere/ferent/ 21:06:46 hmm, boris is refusing to open a door to come after me 21:06:52 elliptic: what is gw going to break? 21:06:53 <|amethyst> elliptic: I guess someone could already do something similar with macros 21:07:49 |amethyst: hm 21:07:56 hm?? 21:07:56 <|amethyst> hm 21:08:23 |amethyst: what about getting rid of the old save-file-using clua stuff? 21:08:48 <|amethyst> hm 21:08:52 since I'm not aware of any functionality that anyone has used it for that wouldn't be easier with some version of this separate file 21:08:58 <|amethyst> yeah, that does seem like the bad part 21:09:07 <|amethyst> gearset 21:09:13 <|amethyst> but I guess you said "anyone has used it" :) 21:09:26 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:32 hm, what does gearset actually use it for 21:09:55 first question: where is gearset 21:10:01 <|amethyst> gone 21:10:10 <|amethyst> when it existed, it let you save a collection of worn equipment by inventory letter 21:10:23 <|amethyst> %git 633590d 21:10:23 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-612-g633590d: Remove dat/clua/gearset.lua. 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 0+ 205-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=633590d9eb26 21:11:21 <|amethyst> it was more important before melding, I guess? 21:11:22 so why can't that be done with some version of c_persist? 21:11:35 <|amethyst> elliptic: because it doesn't make sense from one game to the next 21:11:48 <|amethyst> elliptic: you could do it, but you'd need a way of knowing when you have a new game 21:11:49 right, I should have explained that that's what I meant by "some version" :) 21:12:00 I was thinking of having two tables 21:12:04 <|amethyst> elliptic: also, for offline players 21:12:07 and only persist one of them on deaths 21:12:22 oh, with multiple saves, right 21:12:47 <|amethyst> using the char name by default avoids that problem 21:12:51 <|amethyst> but it has the opposite one 21:13:52 yeah, I forgot that having multiple saves was a thing :) 21:14:15 <|amethyst> all the world's a cao 21:15:09 <|amethyst> (full of death and ASCII, signifying nothing) 21:15:26 it is a game, coded by idiots... 21:15:28 <_< 21:15:35 s/idiots/sadists/ 21:16:12 more like masochists 21:16:17 <|amethyst> doesn't scan, "idiots" works better 21:16:18 or maybe both 21:16:21 :( 21:17:27 <|amethyst> I should start giving my lectures in blank verse and see if anyone notices 21:17:37 what do you usually lecture on 21:17:49 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:53 (We've secretly replaced |amethyst's lecture notes with sonnets. Let's see if he notices.) 21:18:07 <|amethyst> nicolae-: hallucinogens and tranquilizers? 21:18:11 <|amethyst> oh, wrong "on" 21:18:18 ha 21:18:19 <|amethyst> CS 21:18:23 <|amethyst> intro 21:18:26 ah 21:18:27 good old cs 21:18:58 somehow they let me have a degree in it even though my code was dogshit 21:19:19 <|amethyst> nicolae-: my dissertation had no code 21:19:28 <|amethyst> I used a computer for 1. reading papers 2. typing 21:19:31 nice 21:19:33 <|amethyst> and I guess 3. typesetting 21:19:37 so you were doing more of the theory, i guess? 21:19:48 i took a lot of theory classes too, turns out that's not really useful for the job market 21:19:53 <|amethyst> yeah, proving things impossible mostly 21:20:01 nice 21:20:16 basically just crushing dreams left and right 21:20:18 <|amethyst> heh 21:20:27 <|amethyst> it was actually about something semi-practical 21:20:36 <|amethyst> access control on XML-like documents 21:20:43 xml!!! 21:20:43 <|amethyst> trees anyway 21:21:15 oh boy i'm gonna be working on some extra xmlish stuff soon 21:21:15 hm, so is there really no easy way to make sure that the lua saved in the persist file is produced using the correct function 21:21:53 <|amethyst> elliptic: I don't know if you can do anything to lock down a namespace 21:22:10 <|amethyst> I showed that (for a certain model of access control rules) it is impossible to answer "Could this document have been created without violating these rules?" 21:22:21 <|amethyst> because you can simulate a Turing machine using the rules 21:22:34 <|amethyst> then lots of complexity results for various subcases 21:22:44 did you use the Master Theorem 21:22:52 Demon Whip attack takes random time 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9421 by Sandman25 21:23:04 I learned about that a bit in a "bioinformatics" course 21:23:07 hang on, are you saying you're partially responsible for the XML spec being what it is? 21:23:11 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:23:13 <|amethyst> no, this was more along the lines of "NP complete" "PSPACE-hard" etc 21:23:17 <|amethyst> chequers: no 21:23:26 * chequers puts the wiffle bat away 21:23:31 -!- GameKnut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:42 <|amethyst> I was but a teenager when XML came to be 21:24:59 don't knock bioinformatics, it pays my bills 21:25:15 !tell PleasingFungus !bug 9421 21:25:15 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 21:25:25 <|amethyst> it pays about 1/2-2/3 of my bills 21:25:35 <|amethyst> teaching paying the rest 21:25:40 no one *really* makes money from bioninformatics, come on 21:25:44 not great money anyhow 21:26:06 i imagine biotech folks get many dollars 21:26:06 <|amethyst> If I wanted to make great money I'd not be at a university 21:26:14 word 21:28:23 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:30:00 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14859 this screenshot looks completely normal to me 21:30:11 am I missing something 21:30:39 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:00 i can't see anything out of the ordinary either 21:32:28 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:26 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:39:34 um guys, i have a wizmode character here, latest version, and 15.0 skill is not removing my shield penalty 21:39:53 <|amethyst> is it possible Aule changed browser or OS or something? 21:39:57 wait fuck, i'm wielding the wrong weapon. nevermind 21:40:08 <|amethyst> could be a colour space thing... we saw that before with some tile submissions 21:40:24 <_miek> since his screen shot is working, it could be a monitor problem 21:41:16 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:26 <|amethyst> or it could be that those OOS stone walls pop out too much and make the rock too hard to see 21:42:36 yeah, i would blame his monitor 21:42:52 <|amethyst> I mean, the out of sight rock *is* too dark IMO, it just hasn't changed that I can see 21:43:51 <|amethyst> not sure what to do about that though... is that implemented with a semi-transparent layer? 21:44:34 <|amethyst> could maybe use a different transparency level depending on the tile's average brightness or something like that... but that would just reduce contrast probably 21:45:27 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:34 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:46:49 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:51 |amethyst: tint the layer blue, get N78291 back 21:54:23 -!- Lohengramm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:02:10 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:02:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:47 |amethyst: i suggested desturating the out-of-los stuff at one point 22:02:59 (then it could be brighter) 22:03:15 i have no clue how possible it would be, nor if it's a good idea 22:03:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:50 ontoclasm: definitely possible. Can't tell if it's a good idea, though 22:05:22 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:20 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:31 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:24 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:29 -!- Amy is now known as Guest38743 22:30:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:06 !seen johnstein 22:32:06 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:32:06 I last saw johnstein at Wed Jan 21 03:03:10 2015 UTC (1h 28m 56s ago) saying '%git :/shoals-lite' on ##crawl-dev. 22:33:20 !seen PleasingFungus 22:33:21 I last saw PleasingFungus at Wed Jan 21 04:32:06 2015 UTC (1m 14s ago) saying '!seen johnstein ' on ##crawl-dev. 22:33:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:33:32 Grunt: why did you send me 9421 22:33:46 PleasingFungus: shp 22:33:51 and/or ev adjustments 22:34:05 wait, that was Lasty, wasn't it... 22:34:06 ya 22:34:08 (why do I get the two of you confused) 22:34:12 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:14 !tell Lasty !bug 9421 22:34:14 Grunt: OK, I'll let lasty know. 22:34:23 oh 22:34:28 "Please close the ticket" 22:34:29 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:37 ya that was the next thing I was gonna mention 22:34:47 bh: imo give us a test implementation 22:34:51 rip my attention span.......................... 22:34:51 rip 22:34:54 thanks Sequell 22:35:14 !tell johnstein ya I merged it yesterday. I also said some nice things to you this morning; I can repeat them if they got lost! I would feel sad if they never reached you 22:35:15 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 22:36:17 heh, I like 7931 22:36:26 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:36:34 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:39:19 !bug 7931 22:39:19 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 22:40:08 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:51 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:18 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:46:10 !tell Lasty You did this! +21 crystal plate armour of the Other Side {rPois+ rN+ MR+ Regen+ HP+9 Str+2 Stlth-} 22:46:10 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 22:46:18 wow what 22:46:24 <|amethyst> beware the stealth cost! 22:46:24 1learn add uber_randarts 22:47:06 !tell PleasingFungus yea I did see your comments in my status window this evening. missed them when it happened. glad to help :) 22:47:06 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:47:06 johnstein: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 22:47:14 !tell Sequell hi... 22:47:15 Sorry Grunt, I don't know who sequell is. 22:47:16 1learn dat_randart 22:47:18 what 22:47:20 <_miek> finally he's done something to make up for caustic shrikes :P 22:47:24 1learn add sequell 22:47:52 ?/+21 22:47:52 Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/+ <-- HERE 21/ 22:48:02 ?/\+21 22:48:02 Matching entries (1): bailey[3]: G - the +21 crystal plate armour of the Great Game (worn) {rC++ Dex+1} 22:48:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:11 pshaw 22:48:26 ?/\+22 22:48:27 Matching entries (2): math[3]: 78291 has played 5991 games ... total time 275d+22:46:45 ok *that* is frightening it's like two years | uber_randarts[18]: the +22 crystal plate armour "Wompoate" {rPois rF+ rN+ Stlth++} 22:48:31 ?/\+23 22:48:31 Matching entries (1): crystal_plate_armour[2]: The probability that a randart CPA is +23 (the max possible) is exactly 101/112500. 22:48:40 +21 is weak IMO 22:48:54 1learn add elliptic 22:48:55 ?/\+24 22:48:56 No matches. 22:49:00 is there something about CPA that makes it get the +20 bonuses? 22:49:07 +24, the ultimate goal 22:49:08 johnstein: its base AC 22:49:21 that's kinda what I was thinking. didn't know for sure. hmm 22:49:21 ??cpa 22:49:22 crystal plate armour[1/2]: 14AC, 23ER. 22:49:30 ??plate 22:49:31 plate armour[1/1]: 10AC, 18ER. 22:49:32 the enchantment range is approximately proportional to the base AC 22:49:34 ??gda 22:49:35 gold dragon armour[1/4]: 12AC, 25ER, rF+ rC+ rPois. Can be created by enchanting a gold dragon hide. ER 23 in 0.16. 22:50:35 ??uber_randarts[gold dragon] 22:50:36 uber_randarts[21/27]: _p - the +20 gold dragon armour of Makhleb's Envy {rPois rF+ rC+ Acc+3 Dam+6} 22:50:52 that one is pretty nice too 22:50:58 mm 22:52:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:54 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:16 F - +20 crystal plate armour of the World {Str+1 Int+2} 22:54:17 best i found 22:55:09 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:55:57 I think the best I've seen and used was a mere +14 22:55:59 !log . nafi won 22:56:00 1. SGrunt, XL27 NaFi, T:95859: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SGrunt/morgue-SGrunt-20140109-052854.txt 22:56:00 za warudo.. 22:56:08 oh it was only +13 22:56:09 rip 23:01:07 !tell gammafunk no, I haven't messed with dbro yet :/ I'll get to it this week at some point 23:01:07 johnstein: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 23:01:39 |amethyst: https://bpaste.net/raw/f4cdd6812ab9 has a couple of changes (uses rcfile + ".persist" as a filename, should be secure against players overwriting the save function because it loads those functions immediately prior to saving) 23:10:41 !log . MiWn 23:10:41 1. Kramin, XL23 MiWn, T:45459: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Kramin/morgue-Kramin-20141022-020525.txt 23:10:51 A - +12 crystal plate armour "Qasipt" {Str+3 Slay+6} 23:10:57 only +12, but slay+6 23:11:15 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:32 !log 23:12:33 3287. minmay, XL27 MuBe, T:75751: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/minmay/morgue-minmay-20150120-013951.txt 23:14:01 Limulus (L27 DsGl) ASSERT(!invalid_monster(mon_act)) in 'state.cc' at line 441 failed. (Depths:2) 23:16:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:17:57 gammafunk: 6129ece for webtiles-changes 23:18:07 %git 6129ece 23:18:07 Could not find commit 6129ece (git returned 128) 23:18:07 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:18:52 in my github 23:19:12 hrm, yeah lookingat that but it's not on the page 23:19:15 maybe it's updating 23:20:20 oops, i rebased 23:20:22 271a4908efb4897aa8fd3f0c3fa890b17e88620c 23:20:27 Disallow registering 1-character usernames 23:20:39 yeah, ok 23:21:13 why disallow that? 23:21:14 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:35 what do we currently allow in webtiles trunk? 23:21:53 !rebase chequers 23:21:53 Kramin rebases chequers. Chequers is banished to the reflog! 23:22:19 this is for consistency with existing webtiles, but also one character identifiers are something I'm ideologically opposed to 23:22:46 gammafunk: webtiles ships with 3 character names by default 23:22:53 but console allows 2 23:23:06 I changed cbro months ago to allow 2 as well (based on some discussion in here) 23:23:13 ah, heh 23:23:20 welp 23:23:22 I told someone in here about it 23:23:31 recommending to change the webtiles default to 2 23:23:38 since that's what the official servers appear to be using 23:23:48 yeah, some legit names are 2 letters 23:23:49 so any new servers are already in line with the common usage 23:23:55 Kramin: yes 23:23:55 for sure 23:23:57 !won qw 23:23:58 qw has won 11 times in 1071 games (1.03%): 7xGrBe 3xDDBe 1xMiBe 23:24:00 -!- dnjseh7 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:18 I got pinged by someone who was trying to snag their username on cbro 23:24:27 via webtiles and it wasn't letting them 23:24:47 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:58 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25:08 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3724-gf14d081 (34) 23:25:12 need to rewrite that module to use exceptions, but yeah seems a good change then 23:25:55 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:25:57 indeed. I cleaned up the docstring at least ^_^ 23:27:10 03chequers02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.16-a0-3866-g271a490: Disallow registering 1-character usernames 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=271a4908efb4 23:27:56 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:57 rip X 23:29:07 !lg * name~~^.$ 23:29:12 I should have been quicker 23:29:13 404. q the Firebug (L1 DgFE), quit the game on D:1 on 2010-11-08 12:16:42, with 20 points after 30 turns and 0:05:20. 23:29:16 !lg * name~~^.$ s=name 23:29:16 404 games for * (name~~^.$): 402x q, s, X 23:29:22 wow there really is an X 23:29:23 !lg s 23:29:24 1. s the Stinger (L1 DsVM), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-06-18 17:59:15, with 30 points after 0 turns and 0:00:05. 23:29:24 !lg X 23:29:25 1. X the Shooter (L1 CeHu), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-06-18 17:53:55, with 22 points after 0 turns and 0:00:21. 23:29:41 on rhf 23:29:59 !hs q 23:29:59 402. q the Executioner (L27 GhFi of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 16 runes on 2009-09-20 19:43:48, with 9635882 points after 174842 turns and 22:16:20. 23:30:02 ! 23:30:22 lotta runes 23:30:31 !log q ghfi urune=16 23:30:31 No games for q (ghfi urune=16). 23:30:33 !lg * max=nrune 23:30:36 3910853. 78291 the Farming Infernalist (L27 NaFE of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 267 runes on 2010-05-18 16:15:12, with 6222453 points after 841428 turns and 3d+7:07:56. 23:30:37 chequers: try nrune 23:30:42 !log q ghfi nrune=16 23:30:43 1. q, XL27 GhFi, T:174842: http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/q/morgue-q-20090920-194348.txt 23:30:57 aw 23:33:12 ? 23:33:18 oh 23:33:18 yeah 23:33:18 rip 23:33:51 rip 23:34:07 !rip 23:34:09 Kramin the Devastator (L16 DECj), worshipper of Sif Muna, blasted by an ice dragon (blast of cold) on D:15, with 130917 points after 51420 turns and 1:40:18. 23:35:47 -!- dnjseh7 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:39 !rip 23:41:42 gammafunk the Magician (L1 VSWz), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1, with 2 points after 102 turns and 0:00:44. 23:42:00 kite more 23:42:09 naw 23:42:14 dat early vs bite 23:42:52 well tbf if you do it with melee it's still kiting 23:43:14 regen kiting 23:43:20 you regen faster 23:43:33 yeah that's what I mean, I do regen kitting and use melee 23:48:22 hrm, I might look into moving over the client-side stuff to react-bootstrap 23:48:53 as they have a lot of nice looking prebuild components, and we'd just have to tweak the style a bit 23:49:01 !lg * name~~^.$ s=src 23:49:01 404 games for * (name~~^.$): 404x rhf 23:49:13 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:32 chequers: in middle school yearbook, I remember I discovered our school had a guy named O 23:50:32 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:51:02 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:53 PleasingFungus: well, I have an ideological opposition to their existence 23:52:06 wow 23:52:08 fucked up 23:52:40 I bet you're known to your circle of friends as P, name traitor 23:52:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:52:53 also I think dpeg was right; playing G in an area with deep water is infuriating 23:52:55 esp when using confuse 23:52:58 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:07 chequers: plz don't racist. 23:53:18 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:31 I'm just saying single-letter named characters cause 85% of all data integrity errors 23:54:14 is that a made up statistic 23:54:35 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 23:54:57 he'd tell you 23:55:00 but the data has been lost 23:55:00 no, it's 100% factual 23:55:59 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:56:01 the source f the data is irrelevant, you're committing the genetic fallacy 23:57:27 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:57:44 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]