00:00:00 plenty of 00:00:02 food for thought 00:00:02 there 00:00:30 <|amethyst> I don't think get_desc_quatity would work very well 00:00:56 <|amethyst> I guess maybe you can pass the whole item name as 'whose' 00:01:26 ya 00:01:28 it seems to work fine 00:01:29 <|amethyst> passing "the" seems not right 00:01:47 One of the 2 scrolls of remove curse flickers black. 00:01:55 The scroll of remove curse flickers black. 00:02:02 WORKSFORME 00:02:41 <|amethyst> oh right 00:02:51 <|amethyst> ashites aren't going to be sacrificing things like gold 00:06:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3638-g6091178 (34) 00:06:51 flicker 00:07:29 ? 00:08:48 hm 00:08:56 I'd like to mention which scrolls are created, but that's tricky with the current code 00:09:47 regarding the conversion of scrolls for ash, is it weighted to what items on your person are uncursed? 00:10:01 flickering gateway to bazaar, flickering insubstantial wisp, flickering ophan flames, flickering lost soul, flickering revenant ghostly flames, flickering lanterns of shadow, flickering flickering fire / air books, flickering scrolls of curseness 00:10:13 I resolve to never use this word again for crawl text. 00:10:15 inspector071: it is not. 00:10:23 theTower: I'm not super psyched about it here myself 00:11:07 a little tricky with ash, since he's a bit abstract. themes of bondage, vision, and the sky 00:11:34 a nail falls from the sky and impales the scroll 00:11:54 and splits it in three...? 00:12:08 flickering is magic. flickering can do *anything.* 00:12:19 * PleasingFungus flickers and transforms into a quokka! 00:12:31 * Grunt flickers and vanishes! 00:13:11 phases 00:13:25 warps, twists, inverts, implodes 00:14:02 if things have to be magic can't we be creative about how we're mangling reality 00:14:24 sure. implodes would be a bit dramatic for ash, tho 00:14:31 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:31 possibly 00:15:19 the learndb entry for remove curse implies that one of each type of curse scroll is created, but that doesn't seemt to be the case 00:16:29 -!- rockygargoyle has left ##crawl-dev 00:17:05 ??remove curse 00:17:05 remove curse[1/2]: A scroll which uncurses every cursed item you are wielding or wearing (weapon, armour, jewellery, wielded misc. items.) If you worship {Ashenzari}, you will be able to select the items you want to uncurse. 00:17:07 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:08 ??remove curse[2 00:17:08 remove curse[2/2]: {Ashenzari} worshippers can 'p'ray on top of remove curse scrolls to create three curse scrolls, each one of curse weapon, curse armour, and curse jewellery. 00:17:13 oh 00:17:21 I wonder if that was true at some point? it sounds faintly familiar 00:17:34 it would be nice if it were 00:17:45 well, maybe less weighted towards armour 00:17:49 since its less likely to be swappe 00:18:37 ive been on an ash phase recently and never seem to have curse jewelry scrolls 00:20:40 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:56 <|amethyst> jewellery has the same weight as weapon if you're not an octopode or felid 00:22:06 <|amethyst> armour depends on how many armour slots you have available, but will be a higher weight than weapons/jewellery for everything but octopode (and felid) 00:22:06 bad rng luck, i suppose 00:23:40 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:30 could i mess with those weights as a transmuter if i pray while in a form that melds slots? 00:28:26 <|amethyst> no, it uses you_can_wear which doesn't care about temporary effects 00:28:27 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:28:38 ok, cool, thanks |amethyst 00:28:47 <|amethyst> you could gain some slot mutations 00:28:58 <|amethyst> oh, hey, this looks like a bug 00:29:05 <|amethyst> it doesn't know that antennae 1 prevents hats 00:29:52 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30:33 <|amethyst> oh, nm 00:30:34 i thought antennae only removed head slot at 3 00:31:07 <|amethyst> yeah, I was mistaken... forgot formicid start with antennae 3 00:31:36 the biggiest, buggiest antennae of all :) 00:35:23 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3639-gab560df: Tweak Ash sacrifice UI 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 67+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab560df1525e 00:35:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:12 hm 00:37:19 elliptic: I think we were talking about ash sacrifice ui a while ago 00:37:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:42:09 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 00:42:30 a player ghost has deaths door under its spell set. can it cast it? 00:42:46 it's a spooky mystery 00:43:01 clearly it would be undeath's door. 00:43:14 but of course 00:43:29 looks like yes, let us know 00:43:50 it was in melllvar's NaFE game. he's doing a zig 00:44:00 the ghost was enigmoo, an ogre something 00:44:40 -!- zercules has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:47:14 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:36 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:48:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:55:21 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:08 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:00:02 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:03:03 -!- ruwin has quit [] 01:05:11 -!- broquaint has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:40 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:06:15 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:27 -!- Porost is now known as Poroso 01:22:44 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:34:43 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:38:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:41:14 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 03:41:26 !lg * cpo start>20150107 !tiles s=name 03:41:26 134 games for * (cpo start>20150107 !tiles): 94x aori, 18x Kramin, 12x twb, 8x miek, 2x waffy 03:41:42 !lg * cpo start>20150107 tiles s=name 03:41:42 139 games for * (cpo start>20150107 tiles): 52x Minkie, 31x binmo, 15x chequers, 11x monkeypoo, 9x Kramin, 7x miek, 6x Chasingthesun, 5x Demise101, 3x jimeh 03:42:02 2:1 Kramin 03:44:25 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:44 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:33 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:10:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:38 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:28:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:29:42 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:38 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:39:04 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 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Installer for windows. 08:52:28 When i launched it, it crashed. 08:52:52 I do not know why it crashed. Please help. 08:54:07 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:07 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:16 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:27 It solved, I uninstall stone soup and download zip file. 08:58:56 With installer, launch crash occured. But, with zip file version, it works. 08:59:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:38 Shafted into yred vault with no exit 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9408 by rjrrt 09:01:41 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:40 hello, Is there any sound pack, or addon for 15.2 version 09:04:04 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04:43 -!- weezefa__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:56 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:02 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:05 -!- rophy has quit [Client Quit] 09:08:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:39 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:14 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:54 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:16 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:23 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:22 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:57 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:00 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:15 -!- Tungsten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:19 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:21 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:31:34 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:35 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 09:32:25 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:37 -!- weezefa__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:56 -!- TheMattybee has quit [] 09:34:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:35:20 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:13 -!- t4nk269 has quit [Client Quit] 09:38:22 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:17 -!- PeerGynt has quit [Client Quit] 09:39:47 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:32 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:50 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:55 -!- PeerGynt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:44:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:16 nowfeel: I don't believe there's an official sound pack, sorry. 09:47:16 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:47:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:38 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:18 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 09:49:41 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:51:28 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:50 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:24 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:57:19 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:42 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:12 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 10:01:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:30 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:41 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:25 yes, I used sound pack in 0.12 version. 10:09:37 But it doesn't apply in 0.15 version 10:09:52 I hope sound pack will be released. 10:09:53 ??mantis 10:09:53 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 10:10:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:02 ^ feel free to report here, and possibly someone will look into it 10:10:06 I don't know anything about sound myself 10:10:21 Okay :) Thanks for replying. 10:10:28 I need to go to sleep now, 10:10:45 :) 10:10:53 I wanna join to develop stone soup. 10:11:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:19 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:42 We're happy to see new contributions. 10:13:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:09 Then, see you on weekend. 10:14:32 Good night (or Morning). 10:14:35 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:06 even if we fix it in trunk, there's a good chance it won't get fixed in stable 10:15:10 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:13 since the sound system has changed, as i understand it 10:15:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:18 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote 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weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:04 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:14 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:13 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:24 <|amethyst> hm 11:52:26 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:44 <|amethyst> how did 9408 happen? The altar section of the vault should have no_tele_into 11:54:14 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:13 <|amethyst> it it's a KPROP so it shouldn't matter that - is SUBST:ed away after that 11:55:26 <|amethyst> s/it // 11:55:30 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:20 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:15 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:38 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:53 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 12:04:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:09 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:19 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:10:52 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:57 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:46 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:21 <|amethyst> so are gargoyles supposed to lose their AC in statue form or not? 12:17:52 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:41 I vote yes 12:19:11 they're "supposed" to but it doesn't make much sense for them to get less AC naked in statue form than out of statue form 12:19:12 after transforming into stone, everyone should be equally stone 12:19:15 which i think is possible 12:19:23 -!- Giratina548 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:19:31 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I'm pretty sure they got the AC until recently 12:19:52 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:54 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:19:57 until very recently they lost the ac and also lost an additional 2 ac on top of that 12:20:07 4 even 12:20:08 like last week or something, that is 12:20:11 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20:42 <|amethyst> in 0.15 they didn't lose the AC 12:20:44 when i fixed that i tried to track down the history of the weirdness and failed 12:20:46 <|amethyst> they got that -4 penalty 12:20:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:02 <|amethyst> %git 1393decaabe 12:21:03 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1090-g1393dec: Pull form AC into form objects 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 80+ 78-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1393decaabe7 12:21:09 <|amethyst> aha 12:21:13 oh, did it break 12:21:20 that would explain some things! 12:21:24 well, the quality of stone you turn into with statue form depends on your spellpower. Bad caster gargoyles can turn themselves into worse stone than they already were 12:21:58 <|amethyst> I mean, if we want to just make statue form uncastable for gargoyles I'm fine with that 12:21:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:10 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure slowness + no armour is worth the bonus and like 3 AC 12:22:19 IMO no reason to make statueform extra amazing for gargoyles. I'd rather . . . ^ 12:22:20 <|amethyst> s/bonus/damage bonus/ 12:23:04 <|amethyst> it was, and would be, inconsistent with everything else except Draconian Dragon Form 12:23:16 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:34 how much AC would they get if they kept their bonus again? isn't their natural AC something weird that depends on what armour you're wearing? 12:23:38 or is that their gdr 12:23:46 <|amethyst> that's their GDR 12:23:49 aha 12:24:13 Natural is 2/3rds level? Something like that 12:24:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:23 <|amethyst> an 18/16/8 l27 gargoyle with 0 skill and no buffs is 20 AC 12:24:27 <|amethyst> naked 12:24:33 <|amethyst> in 0.15 12:24:53 <|amethyst> with statue form and L27 earth/trm, that goes up to 41 AC 12:25:28 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:23 <|amethyst> in trunk, the same 20 with no form, 24 with statue form and maxed earth/trm 12:27:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:33 <|amethyst> which I guess would have been 20 before MarvinPA's change 12:27:35 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:38 is the latter what a human gets too? 12:28:16 a naked human gets 25 from statue form at those skills/stats 12:28:37 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:42 hmm. What accounts for the 1 AC difference? 12:28:54 <|amethyst> I get 24 here 12:29:00 It's not doing div_rand_round on the spellpower, is it? 12:29:10 oh i make it 25 for a gargoyle too 12:29:38 82 power 12:29:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:56 <|amethyst> ah, this was 73 power 12:30:13 i guess i had max spellcasting too 12:30:25 <|amethyst> yeah, that would be it 12:30:28 <|amethyst> 3.2 spc here 12:30:34 ah 12:30:55 -!- ballingt has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:31:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:29 maybe the 0.15 state with the weird extra -4 back is okay, dunno 12:33:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:34:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:13 better than the current behaviour at least 12:35:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:39 <|amethyst> hm, draconians keep their innate AC and get an extra +10 in dragon form? 12:35:42 <|amethyst> oh 12:35:52 <|amethyst> not an extra +10, just straight +10 12:36:34 <|amethyst> ah, which would be +16 for normal races 12:36:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:51 argh my wizmode muscle memory 12:37:12 i think all my most-used commands moved :( 12:37:14 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I've gotten used to the new one now and have problems going back to 0.15 :) 12:37:21 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:07 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:38:56 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:04 <|amethyst> hm... does &s (gain 20000 skill points) actually do anything? 12:40:24 <|amethyst> oh, it does, you just don't see it until you gain XP 12:41:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:42:27 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:53 nice, new artefacts with *tele can only trigger if you're wielding an artefact weapon (it doesn't have to be the one with *tele on it) 12:43:12 <|amethyst> yeah, that came up yesterday 12:43:21 heh, I thought that had been fixed 12:43:23 <|amethyst> or was it day before that 12:43:25 I guess it was merely noticed 12:43:26 ah maybe i didn't pull yet 12:43:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:39 %git 12:43:39 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3639-gab560df: Tweak Ash sacrifice UI 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 67+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab560df1525e 12:43:53 yeah, not fixed yet 12:44:44 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:41 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I think PF pointed out that also, it can't go on a weapon 12:45:50 heh, nice 12:45:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: which is intentional, but makes that // randart weapons only comment a bit funny 12:45:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:18 <|amethyst> then it also came up that zombies don't get any bonuses from artefacts 12:46:36 12 seems like a lot of teleport-ness for all *tele artefacts to get 12:46:40 more than teleportitis 3? 12:47:17 why not 8 so it's the same as rings of tele 12:47:32 <|amethyst> hm 12:47:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47:52 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:52 <|amethyst> yeah, same as ring of tele sounds like a good idea 12:47:59 <|amethyst> especially since they pretend to have the same prop 12:48:10 <|amethyst> artefact rings of tele anyway 12:48:29 <|amethyst> sigh, got another abuse letter from my ISP 12:48:39 <|amethyst> and the ticket about the previous one disappeared 12:48:53 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:05 We already made some moves to standardize these values. I'm in favor of standardizing them further. 12:50:28 <|amethyst> The gateway that cszo connects through is vulnerable to NTP reflection 12:50:51 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:04 <|amethyst> and since the gateway's IP address falls within my netmask, the ISP sent the abuse complaint straight to me 12:51:48 <|amethyst> I guess I could try to brute-force a login on their router, but I'm pretty sure that will get my service terminated even more quickly 12:52:00 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:35 So who owns the router? The ISP? 12:52:45 <|amethyst> I guess? 12:52:51 <|amethyst> I certainly don't have an account on it 12:53:00 Seems like it should be their responsibility. :p 12:53:11 <|amethyst> and even if I did I would be a bit wary about performing a firmware update from another state 12:53:56 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:05 <|amethyst> yeah 12:54:06 <|amethyst> the thing is 12:54:09 oh yeah I was going to look into the gr thing 12:54:10 sorry about that 12:54:22 <|amethyst> last time I sent them a link to the security bulletin from the router manufacturer 12:54:27 I just really hate everything about the form_suppresses_mut etc code 12:54:38 imagine the above sentence but spelled correctly 12:55:02 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:24 time to find a new provider :/ 12:55:49 <|amethyst> ugh 12:55:59 <|amethyst> because the next one I find would be any better 12:56:11 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 12:56:12 <|amethyst> unless I want to spend at least twice as much 12:56:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:25 :-\ 12:57:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3640-g203e14a: Uncapitalise the minotaur 10(69 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=203e14a3024c 12:57:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3641-gb49f525: Reword some Ru sacrifice messages 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b49f525f146a 12:57:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3642-g5be3a37: Fix *Tele artefacts only triggering if an artefact weapon is wielded (#9406) 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5be3a37e332f 12:57:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3643-g096a701: Give *Tele artefacts the same chance to trigger as rings of teleportation 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=096a701b55e2 12:57:21 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think the same special case you made for draconians in player::armour_class would need to happen for gargoyle too 12:58:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I don't think the form or mutation code would need to be touched unless you wanted to restore the -4 penalty that MarvinPA removed 12:58:40 MarvinPA: it seems like you'd want to say "a minotaur awaits" 12:58:43 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:46 if you're not treating it as a proper noun 12:58:49 and at that point, why even bother 12:58:55 :( 12:58:59 possibly removing that thing would have been better yeah 12:59:07 on the other hand "Uncapitalise the minotaur" is a fantastic commit name 12:59:09 so I can't get too sad 12:59:15 Beware, Asterion awaits! 12:59:34 ! 12:59:35 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:49 |amethyst: lemme look 12:59:50 Beware! The rod of iron held by a meatsack that might randomly resist poison or see invisible awaits! 13:00:03 <|amethyst> %git 1393decaabe 13:00:03 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1090-g1393dec: Pull form AC into form objects 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 80+ 78-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1393decaabe7 13:00:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ^^ was the relevant commit 13:00:17 i remember the time gammafunk fought a minotaur that was just covered in resists 13:00:20 |amethyst: ya I saw 13:00:26 i guess it's still "the minotaur (that lives in this labyrinth)", just not "The Single Minotaur In Existence" 13:00:38 ya 13:00:39 though 13:00:45 Beware! This minotaur awaits! 13:00:46 I would be perfectly happy if it was once again the single minotaur 13:00:49 <|amethyst> "Welcome to the city. Beware, the mayor awaits!" 13:00:53 excepting silly start vaults 13:00:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:04 <|amethyst> That's... a pretty big change 13:01:05 *entry vaults 13:01:10 |amethyst: is it? 13:01:15 <|amethyst> going to restore MD at the same time? 13:01:16 Asterion bellows! 13:01:20 no I mean 13:01:24 removing them from depths spawns 13:01:24 Minotaurs aren't particularly notable monsters outside the labyrinth, it's true 13:01:30 that's all I was saying 13:01:33 !source player::armour_class 13:01:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/transform.cc;hb=HEAD#l678 13:01:35 *and Asterion 13:01:45 wtf @ !source 13:01:50 <|amethyst> oh, that's reasonable, but it doesn't do anything about "minotaur" not being unique in crawl 13:01:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:05 <|amethyst> !source armour_clas 13:02:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l3380 13:02:07 <|amethyst> !source armour_class 13:02:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l3380 13:02:09 <|amethyst> bah 13:02:12 it's 13:02:16 !source player.cc:6444 13:02:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l6444 13:02:20 if anyone wants to play along 13:02:26 (hunted it down by hand) 13:02:31 Beware! The labyrinth's minotaur awaits! 13:02:47 Beware! It awaits! 13:02:56 r??it 13:02:56 it[41/43]: The settles down. 13:02:57 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 13:03:05 Dang, a good one. 13:03:05 Beware! Something awaits! 13:03:06 <|amethyst> Beware its deadly dust! 13:03:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:12 r??it 13:03:12 it[1/43]: It fall off the wall. 13:03:19 Pardon Our Deadly, Petrifying Dust 13:03:22 still the original and best 13:03:40 !source player_is_shapechanged 13:03:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l2304 13:03:46 It's good. 13:03:57 It is. 13:04:01 hrm 13:04:04 It good. 13:04:14 I enjoy how 2 came and went twice 13:04:18 (one of which was my fault) 13:04:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:35 which also led to the best ever commit message 13:05:31 ??it[2 13:05:31 it[2/43]: A nearby it withers and dies. 13:05:34 ? 13:05:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:41 %git HEAD^{/withers and dies} 13:05:42 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-2929-gea85ad3: A nearby "A nearby it withers and dies" withers and dies. 10(2 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea85ad332ce1 13:05:47 mm 13:06:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: does your car have a check check engine light light? 13:06:21 <3 13:06:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:17 I think this one might be my favorite: "The portal to somewhere protects it from harm" 13:07:51 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:04 !send Lasty untold damage 13:08:04 Sending untold damage to Lasty. 13:08:39 |amethyst / MarvinPA: http://pastebin.com/BjR3g8jN would probably be my fix for the garg AC thing 13:08:56 // ugh 13:09:12 ??ugh 13:09:12 ugh ~ gh ~ ghoul[1/3]: Player ghouls have claws 1 (see {unarmed combat}), rN+++, rC+, poison and torment immunity. They also rot over time. Eating chunks can cure rot and/or restore HP. Monster ghouls are quite powerful, have a ton of HP, and rot you. 13:09:17 ?/ugh 13:09:17 Matching terms (3): not_desperate_enough, rough_black_scales, tough_skin; entries (318): 27[25] | abandoned_shop[1] | abyssal_knight[1] | acid[4] | acidrobin[3] | air_traffic_control[1] | alefury[3] | amphibious[1] | anaconda[1] | apocalypse_crab[1] | apportation[1] | apportation[2] | archl[1] | archl[2] | armour[1] | bad_excuses[11] | badwiki_gham_guide[1] | banishment[5] | batrobin[1] | battlesp... 13:09:25 !send Grunt tough 13:09:25 Sending tough to Grunt. 13:09:31 ??abandoned shop 13:09:31 abandoned shop[1/1]: Either you bought out all of the shop's contents, you passed the tiny chance a shop was generated to not have any loot, or it's a flavour feature like a pre-dry fountain. 13:09:38 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:39 !send Grunt bought 13:09:40 Sending bought to Grunt. 13:09:49 Is there a compelling reason to give gargoyles Super Statue Form? 13:10:15 is it especially super 13:10:15 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:10:23 !send PleasingFungus Super Scattershot 13:10:23 Sending Super Scattershot to PleasingFungus. 13:10:32 ?/super 13:10:33 Matching terms (3): supercharge, superdev, supernaturally_acute_eyesight; entries (15): acute_eyesight[1] | anaconda[1] | badwiki_gham_guide[1] | chaos_champion[1] | eidolon[1] | gammafunk[7] | goodreddit[3] | haunt[1] | iron_rod[2] | iron_troll[1] | octopode_reasons[2] | pakellas[1] | summon_scorpions[1] | tiles[16] | wcrawl[5] 13:10:39 q??superdev 13:10:39 superdev[1/1]: He who can keep coding stuff while participating at SomethingAwful. 13:10:45 dang.................... 13:10:47 heh. thanks, dpeg 13:11:00 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:06 ??goodreddit[3 13:11:07 goodreddit[3/9]: i too personally know in irl some real amazing dudes, at crawl, they are like 4-5x times better than elliptic at least. and they all say that minotaur enchanters are super easy, and that if you play a minotaur enchanter and lose, well, your a big noob. none of them play online though for reasons which i wont elaborate on right now 13:11:08 Lasty_: I'd be fine with just banning statue form for gr 13:11:13 lol 13:11:19 that one is great, ya 13:11:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:35 rip ??bad* 13:11:35 rip 13:11:38 heh 13:11:40 yeah rip 13:11:58 PleasingFungus: "You cannot memorise this spell because you are already functionally a statue." 13:12:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:04 I'm trying to remember, dracoomega had some comments on the subject from back when gr was being added.... 13:12:10 Grunt: "You're already a statue!" 13:12:12 ??statue form 13:12:12 statue form[1/4]: Grants 17 + pow/10 AC, +30% HP, +2 Str, -2 Dex. Makes the base cost of an action 15 instead of 10, like the slow spell. Melds gloves, boots, bardings, and body armour. Provides rElec, rN+, 50% rTorm, rRot+, and poison immunity. 3 + str/3 bonus UC damage and 50% bonus on all melee. Gargoyles get 4 fewer AC. {Stoneskin} gives more AC while in Statue Form. 13:12:23 or s/a statue/functionally a statue/ 13:12:25 as you prefer 13:12:25 what is the Gr bonus to statue form again? 13:12:41 there's no special gr bonus 13:12:41 they're just gr 13:12:50 elliptic: currently, nothing. Proposed: give them their native AC on top of statue AC 13:12:54 um 13:13:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:10 also proposed: disallow statue form for Gr 13:13:11 that's been the case historically 13:13:13 per that entry 13:13:16 true 13:13:22 with an arbitrary -4 on top 13:13:42 there was kind of a reason, let me find it 13:13:47 PleasingFungus: so the special gr bonus is that they keep their +infty racial ac, except with a -4 :P 13:14:01 f statue AC 13:14:01 19:14 <+PleasingFungus> um 13:14:02 er 13:14:06 I'd prefer to disallow statue form than give them a ton of extra AC unless someone can think of a good reason to the contrary 13:14:09 whereas I think Na/Dr lose their racial AC? 13:14:15 +∞ - 4 is conveniently still +∞ 13:14:22 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:26 elliptic: yes 13:14:31 +1 from me for disallowing statue form for Gr 13:14:34 %git 5f5b25ea26 13:14:34 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-2568-g5f5b25e: Boost statue form's defenses for gargoyles 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f5b25ea26f4 13:14:38 elliptic: though Dr keeps it in dragonform, sort of 13:14:57 Though to be honest, I'd be just as happy to disable statue form for gargoyles, since they're kind of already a living statue (even if one that lacks the strong offensive boost it gives). I mentioned this before, but I seem to recall opposition. 13:14:57 hey that suggestion's even in that commit message 13:15:00 ya 13:15:17 Lasty_: that's true 13:15:26 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:34 Is the opposition tasonir? :D 13:17:24 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:32 it's me. I simultaneously support and oppose all proposals 13:17:46 Lasty_: I'm midway through implementing weighting for artefact props 13:17:52 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:57 gonna try to push things in the general direction of the old prop weights 13:18:13 PleasingFungus: Woohoo! 13:18:34 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:49 What sorts of things does the old one weight higher and lower? 13:19:01 (I'm not asking for a full list, but just notable entries) 13:19:33 I'm guessing stats higher, slaying lower, certain resistances lower. 13:19:41 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:29 basically. evocables abilities are dramatically lower 13:20:32 which makes sense 13:20:49 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:14 ah, yes, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like everything has +fly right now 13:21:59 * PleasingFungus sends Lasty_ flying! 13:22:06 wheeee! 13:22:46 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:02 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:38 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:39 <|amethyst> oh, nice 13:28:43 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:48 <|amethyst> this time I actually got a reply from the ISP with an apology 13:28:52 :) 13:28:53 <|amethyst> score! 13:29:03 it's nice to get an apology, when you have been wronged. 13:29:17 <|amethyst> I wouldn't exactly call it "wronged" 13:29:22 <|amethyst> more like "stupided" 13:29:24 heh 13:29:32 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 13:29:49 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:10 I searched the logs for anything about the opposition DO mentioned, but all I found were some incredibly tedious arguments about closely related things ("should statue form make you giant?", "why does yred hate statue form?", "how should petrification interact with gargoyles?", etc) 13:30:16 imo just ban it 13:30:21 hey maybe you guys will know this 13:30:38 a trove needs a +6 dtrident to open. Would a branded dtrident work too? 13:30:43 ??trove 13:30:43 treasure trove[1/4]: For a price, you get some loot! Usually you get 16 items, some of which will be created using the acquirement code. 13:30:44 ??trove[2 13:30:44 treasure trove[2/4]: If the trove asks for a +4,+4 demon whip, it will accept the +5,+6 demon whip of Fun {drain, rF- Str+3}. 13:30:46 ^ 13:30:55 oh cool 13:30:57 rip +5, +6 13:30:57 thanks grunt 13:30:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:00 !learn edit trove[2] s/+4,// 13:31:00 I don't have a page labeled trove[2] in my learndb. 13:31:06 !learn edit treasure-trove[2] s/+4,// 13:31:06 I don't have a page labeled treasure-trove[2] in my learndb. 13:31:09 !learn edit treasure_trove[2] s/+4,// 13:31:10 ERROR: no argument for repetition operator: + 13:31:12 !learn edit treasure_trove[2] s/\+4,// 13:31:12 treasure trove[2/4]: If the trove asks for a +4 demon whip, it will accept the +5,+6 demon whip of Fun {drain, rF- Str+3}. 13:31:13 !learn edit treasure_trove[2] s/\+5,// 13:31:13 treasure trove[2/4]: If the trove asks for a +4 demon whip, it will accept the +6 demon whip of Fun {drain, rF- Str+3}. 13:31:35 I would have been strongly tempted to just !learn s 13:31:50 eh. 13:31:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:06 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:25 no I mean 13:33:30 I admire your dedication to regexes 13:33:31 :) 13:33:47 <|amethyst> regices 13:34:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:04 heh, here's elliptic arguing with evilmike and dracoomega over whether "casting statue form for +2 str for carry capacity" was a problem 13:34:21 the good old days......... 13:34:23 <|amethyst> oh, I guess that might make people think I'm into Pokemon 13:34:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:36 nothing wrong with that 13:34:42 <|amethyst> FR: 2 slots per point of str 13:34:55 :( 13:35:41 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:24 <|amethyst> http://www.neopets.com/~Regices I wonder for how many of those 10 years lord_isdul has abandoned poor Regices 13:36:44 fucked up... 13:36:46 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:16 <|amethyst> I figured they'd starve to death, but I guess that was tamagotchi 13:38:42 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:44 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:59 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:42 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:50 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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-!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:03:47 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:24 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:03 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:07 is it a worthwhile thing for spriggans to only be able to throw throwing nets 3 squares (and humans 5, ogres 6, etc) 14:06:44 IMO no 14:06:46 agreed 14:07:12 particularly good now that spriggans can throw gda 8 squares 14:07:15 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:44 i guess maybe they have to throw the nets in a really short high arc because they're so close to the ground 14:07:45 mm gdathrowing 14:08:03 <|amethyst> what about large rocks? 14:08:10 <|amethyst> their range depends on str 14:08:13 that one i didn't think was even worth asking about yeah 14:08:25 large rock variable range always bothers me whenever I played Og/Tr 14:08:26 <|amethyst> :) 14:08:40 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:49 large rock variable range is obnoxious, but removing it is a non-trivial buff. 14:08:59 I'd like to get rid of it, but might it make large rocks too good? 14:09:30 it has some balance implications, yeah 14:09:33 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:34 what is the current range formula? 14:09:50 <|amethyst> range = random_range(5, 8) + random2(you.strength() / 5); 14:10:19 i'm all for upping large rock mulch rate or something 14:10:20 oh it is random? I always assumed it was fixed based on strength 14:10:23 that's even worse :P 14:10:29 or reducing damage 14:10:43 or both! 14:10:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:49 we could also just fix range at 6 or something like that 14:10:51 oh yeah, absolutely. You definitely see situations where you hit something a certain distance away with one throw and then fall short with the next 14:11:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:00 Fixed at range 6 seems reasonable. Then we can have the targetter not pretend that you can throw it to edge of LOS 14:12:05 fixing the range would be okay but it'd be nice to just have all missiles have los range i think 14:12:40 The way throwing works atm, large rocks are basically claws:8.5. As we all know, claws:3 is pretty nuts. 14:12:48 hmm, since when do we have 3 ring slots? 14:12:59 Elsi: macabre finger necklace 14:13:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:10 oh, makes sense 14:13:29 quite handy 14:13:32 ( 14:13:39 MarvinPA: ideally, yeah... I just mean that it would be an easy improvement that wouldn't mean worrying about balance 14:13:56 I suppose if large rocks were actually limited after D:10 or so, just increasing mulch rate might be good enough 14:14:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:21 and low large rock mulch rate was one of the sticking points for moving to 100% mulch rate and multiplying ammo generation by old mulch rate. 14:15:19 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:56 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:16:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:04 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:11 With 100% ammo mulching, I would really excited to play a crossbow user again . . . 14:18:45 I can't recall, was anyone on the dev team opposed to that idea, aside from questions about the implementation?. 14:18:55 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:00 -!- geekosaur is now known as eviltwin_b 14:19:28 venom launchers don't still permabrand ammo do they 14:19:54 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:05 I don't think so, but I wasn't aware of that bug 14:20:17 was it recent? 14:20:18 it wasn't a bug, it's how they used to work on purpose 14:20:23 O.o 14:20:59 -!- eviltwin_b is now known as geekosaur 14:21:08 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:10 and throw_it has a comment saying it makes a copy of your missile to do the tracer so that the missile doesn't get changed during the tracer, i think 14:21:53 cc1plus.exe: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" 14:21:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:55 what's this now 14:22:09 <|amethyst> kvaak: what compiler? 14:22:15 <|amethyst> kvaak: (and version) 14:22:28 I'm running mingw... something 14:22:33 *goes to corner ashamed and updates* 14:22:51 when we upgraded to c++11, installing mingw got fussy 14:22:51 <|amethyst> if it's msys, you have to get a new compiler from a different site I believe 14:23:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:13 . . . did anyone update INSTALL.txt to match, btw? 14:23:18 no 14:23:33 wait yes 14:23:33 gah 14:24:09 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:16 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:44 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:18 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:27 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:06 Lasty_: the two questions were, one, is it bad that you no longer have to worry about shooting enemies above deep water/lava? and two, how do you deal with enemies that have a reasonable chance of running out of ammo at present? (since the proposal was to increase ammo generation by the inverse of the current mulch rates). the two common cases are large rocks & curare needles. large rocks we... 14:27:07 ...were going to leave be, as a rude large rock nerf, but I don't remember if there was any conclusion on curare; possibly we were just going to let curare kobolds spam at you forever? 14:27:44 curare mulching is pretty low though 14:27:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:52 it's 1/6 I think? 14:28:00 would have to remember where to look 14:28:04 IMO, not having to worry about shooting enemies over deep water and lava is not a significant change, just more frustration reduction. 14:28:06 and 18 curare on a kobold would be a lot 14:28:08 ??mulch 14:28:09 mulching[1/3]: The chance of breakage is: 1/6 for curare; 1/8 for sling bullets, stones, arrows, and bolts; 1/12 for non-curare needles; 1/20 for javelins and tomahawks; and 1/30 for large rocks. Throwing nets have a chance to be destroyed when struggled against. Thrown non-throwing weapons do not break. 14:28:43 I think reducing the amount of curare kobolds spawn with is fine 14:28:45 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:55 and increasing the amount that, say, Sonja spawns with is probably also fine. 14:29:01 that's "reducing the amount of curare that spawns" 14:29:01 iirc 14:29:03 !source mon-gear.cc 14:29:04 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc;hb=HEAD 14:29:06 PleasingFungus: you dirty python programmer, i never even knew _ was a valid variable name in C++ 14:29:16 PleasingFungus: It does reduce it slightly, but not that much. You get most of your curare off the floor. 14:29:18 wheals: it wouldn't be multiplying by 6 times 14:29:24 wheals: :) 14:29:26 you'd multiply by 7/6 14:29:31 I've done it before elsewhere 14:29:37 ontoclasm: no, he was right 14:29:41 really 14:29:44 ish 14:29:53 it's either 5x or 7x, I forget what the average works out to 14:29:54 well... that's not mathematically sound 14:29:56 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:06 hm 14:30:10 i guess? 14:30:14 if a missile has a 1/6 chance of mulching per shot, you get either 5 or 7 shots out of it on average. I forget which 14:30:20 ontoclasm: if something mulches 1/6 of the times it's fired, you get about 6 shots of it on average 14:30:25 it's not actuall6 14:30:33 I said "about" :p 14:30:41 yeah, i guess that's right 14:31:29 <|amethyst> 5 on average 14:31:38 Lasty_: well, I'm not decided either way, but I think the big problem with ranged weapons right now is that they aren't very... context-sensitive. melee cares about positioning, spells often care about positioning & very much care about your current mp, but ranged weapons don't have much in the way of tactical considerations like that 14:31:39 |amethyst: ty :0 14:31:41 :) 14:31:49 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:54 Lasty_: the deep water/lava isn't a *big* tactical consideration, but it's at least something 14:32:21 PleasingFungus: obv block ranged attacks in melee range 14:33:11 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:23 I've talked with people about it in the past 14:33:26 it has problems 14:33:38 i'm joking 14:33:39 PleasingFungus: I agree that the positioning-agnostic nature of ranged combat is problematic, but I think it's best addressed by something other than just making it really unpleasant to use. Right now ranged is very strong and very unpleasant. 14:34:11 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:12 v0v 14:34:22 ontoclasm: I know 14:34:35 sometimes I give serious responses to joke suggestions 14:34:39 well, one legitimate suggestion i heard was to make ranged much slower so it's less of a machine gun 14:34:43 it's part of my carefully cultivated persona 14:34:58 ontoclasm: that would make it weaker. would that make it more tactically interesting? 14:35:06 I think maybe the best balancing method would be to more sharply limit ammo, making it a real question whether it's worth investing experience into a limited but powerful resource. 14:35:14 it would certainly be less annoying 14:35:24 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:26 It would still be tactically boring, but you wouldn't lean on it like you do now 14:35:30 well 14:35:33 and you'd increase the damage per-shot to compensate 14:35:41 It would be like a different take on evocations 14:35:42 (a) at that point you start to step on wands & other evocables very hard 14:35:47 heh 14:35:49 and yes, maybe make ammo an actual limitation past the first 15 minutes 14:35:57 (b) the question is whether a range-primary character should be a thing that people can play 14:36:01 can people play An Archer 14:36:27 uh-oh 14:36:34 People tend to get hung up on the idea that whatever your background will do, they'll do forever 14:36:42 <_miek> a throwing player doesn't have a great time with ammo 14:36:43 I'm not even talking about backgrounds 14:36:48 is the Hunter going to become the Hunted 14:36:50 ontoclasm: imo play slings sometime 14:36:51 <_miek> well, actually there are plenty of rocks lying around, but good ammo 14:37:11 PleasingFungus: yes, slings already have it 14:37:26 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:27 _miek: if you use stones most of the time, you can kill everything with Throwing. I've had characters that did it, just to see how good it was. 14:37:35 Protip: it's really good, even w/o large rocks. 14:38:08 interesting. probably depends strongly on stats 14:38:13 since it's uc, but at range 14:38:14 <_miek> hmmm 14:38:32 well, for everything except stones, it's just-plain-better uc 14:38:35 <_miek> my CeEn has like 20 throwing and its still not that great with throwing rocks 14:38:52 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:05 !lg lasty huhu -log 14:39:11 6. Lasty, XL27 HuHu, T:86226: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20141210-013701.txt 14:39:12 huhuhuhu 14:39:25 -!- sesangsokuro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:26 If only it was a huhu^ru 14:39:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:24 _miek: stones are not great, but you can hit all of LOS, and they're good enough to take down weaker stuff, letting you save tomahawks and better for real enemies. 14:40:41 <_miek> yep 14:40:42 <|amethyst> I see almost no stones thrown after level 15 14:41:01 <|amethyst> 662 javelins thown! 14:41:02 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:15 <_miek> well I guess my point is that you're not that good for ammo except for stones 14:41:16 <|amethyst> without shoals 14:41:22 Yeah, you get lots of ammo 14:41:27 <_miek> !log . ceen 14:41:28 No games for _miek (ceen). 14:41:39 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: Having his crunching of his eye, nor my wicked Noah's ark. Cribbed and fright and again politely bidding him down, as far more abundantly supplied than usual.] 14:41:44 <_miek> &dump hypermiek 14:41:45 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hypermiek/hypermiek.txt 14:41:58 |amethyst: I stopped throwing stones because I got Punk 14:42:04 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:20 |amethyst: check out my 9189 uses of a greatsling 14:42:25 <|amethyst> oh, 9189 :) 14:42:25 <_miek> 22 throwing 18 fighting 14:42:38 <|amethyst> maybe throwing and slings shouldn't cross-train 14:42:57 it's a nice boost to slings 14:42:57 <|amethyst> though I'm sure untrained punk isn't terrible 14:43:01 They certainly don't need it 14:43:03 which isn't that strong a skill otherwise 14:43:05 well, slings are kinda 14:43:05 imo 14:43:06 great 14:43:11 whaa 14:43:15 Slings are fantastic 14:43:20 hrm 14:43:25 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:34 Pretty much all the ranged weapons are fantastic 14:44:04 I'd use them all the time if it weren't so awful 14:44:39 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:03 awful 14:45:23 idk, maybe I'm biased by having played old old ranged combat 14:45:30 with brandable racial ammo and weight limits 14:45:54 but the current ranged usability experience doesn't seem that bad to me 14:46:01 PleasingFungus: it's gotten better for sure 14:46:06 idk, put together a branch for instamulching ammo, w/e 14:46:14 but the fundamental problem is how much time you take picking up your ammo 14:46:14 -!- rockygargoyle__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:27 and how using autoexplore to do it causes problems 14:46:55 -!- weezefac_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:03 PleasingFungus: I don't mean to denigrate the work you've done on ranged combat. I do think it's better than ever. I just think there's still a big interface problem, one unrelated to the changes you made. 14:47:07 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:47:28 <|amethyst> someone asked before for a "autogreedy without explore" 14:47:55 |amethyst: yeah, that would help too. I mostly end up memorizing Apportation, then spamming it after every fight 14:47:56 <|amethyst> oh 14:47:59 <|amethyst> it was dpeg 14:48:01 I mean to denigrate the work I did on ranged combat 14:48:05 I feel only terrible regret 14:48:05 <|amethyst> !bug 4184 14:48:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4184 14:48:10 it's super inefficient, but it's tactically better than accidentally exploring 14:48:28 <|amethyst> "I quite fail to see what's the use case for the new function, too. If autoexplore would be too risky, there is some dangerous monster nearby, so you want control anyway. And even that is damn far-fetched: if things are bad enough so you can't autoexplore, there almost always will be something in the room with you already." 14:48:45 " I disagree with this. With easy_open set to false you can have autoexplore stop at doors, which gives you an opportunity to recognize most dangerous vaults. I know I'm not the only player who does this (it may sound overkill, but you get used to it in minutes). Since that option exists, there needs to be a shortcut to open doors other than arrows/vi keys. " 14:48:46 wtf 14:48:49 rather insane idea, but what if ranged combat switched to an infinite ammo, finite clip/quiver model 14:48:51 how does that make any sense 14:49:11 also I think we removed that option a few years after, ofc 14:49:22 <|amethyst> that option was removed not very long ago 14:49:24 it was replaced with an explore_stop setting i think 14:49:52 the lack of a proper way to make autoexplore stop at door was the reason it survived so long 14:49:58 at doors* 14:49:58 ontoclasm: Hmm. I'm listening. 14:50:03 I'm still baffled by "I make not autoexplore not go into doors, therefore I can't use direction keys to open doors" 14:50:11 er, remove that first not 14:50:22 ontoclasm: what would happen when your quiver empties? 14:50:24 PleasingFungus: the option prevented you from opening doors with direction keys 14:50:37 (and also prevented autoexplore from opening doors since that how it opens doors i guess) 14:50:38 Lasty_: you have to reload it (which is slow) 14:50:39 o 14:50:43 that sounds like a messed up option 14:50:50 the autoexplore bit was just a useful side effect of a weird option 14:50:55 heh 14:51:07 ontoclasm: how slow are you thinking? Could it be automated after combat, or would you have to reload manually after each combat? 14:51:14 <|amethyst> close still annoys me btw 14:51:29 <|amethyst> because of its modal interface 14:51:34 yes :( 14:51:41 oh, sometimes prompting for direction and sometimes not? 14:51:42 ya 14:51:51 <|amethyst> "oh, you didn't notice this other door adjacent to you opposite all the monsters? haha" 14:52:05 my first idea is 50 aut, and probably it would be a button you could press to do it manually, but also you'd have an rc option to do it automatically when you press o 14:52:06 <|amethyst> because that was the direction I was going to run :) 14:52:11 the same way auto_eat works 14:52:39 the idea being that you -can- do it in combat, but you don't really want to 14:52:45 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: shottyman upgrade that makes it happen when you take a step 14:52:51 yes 14:52:58 ontoclasm: I suppose it would encourage manuevering to make fights as small as possible so you don't empty your clip, but that's already incentivized . . . 14:53:14 <|amethyst> I do think shottyman would be cool on something, and xbow makes more sense than anything else 14:53:26 shottyman absolutely does not work in crawl 14:53:29 ^ 14:53:36 it makes me sad as hell 14:53:39 because shottyman is great 14:54:17 well, if the basic idea works then you could add stuff like that 14:54:37 anyway, ontoclasm, what kind of tactical dynamics do you see coming out of this? it basically sounds like a clunkier version of rod mechanics, tbh 14:54:39 -!- Manslay| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:54:48 fire a few shots, and then switch to another weapon 14:54:53 <|amethyst> one problem with reloading is that it encourages you to carry multiple preloaded launchers 14:55:03 wasn't there a branch that actually implemented this for rods 14:55:08 huh 14:55:08 ontoclasm: if we say the clip is 8 shots (or thereabouts) you generally would get as many shots as you get now before a monster closes, and then you'd have to switch to another weapon. You'd never have to conserve ammo in an absolute sense, so you'd take your shots on every monster . . . 14:55:12 <|amethyst> maybe that's not such an issue since arbelests and bigger aren't that common 14:55:25 arbalests are very common in vaults 14:55:26 i never played it but it sounded painfu 14:55:28 l 14:55:28 heh 14:55:34 it's just a thought; the idea is that you have to think about ammo but not in a strategic sense 14:55:37 <|amethyst> oh, right, parts of the game I don't see often 14:55:46 <|amethyst> I guess you could unload when unwielding 14:56:17 I think the idea is interesting, but I'm not sure that it helps create a balanced ranged combat in a way that offsets how little tactical positioning matters for ranged. 14:56:50 mm 14:57:31 <_miek> well theoretically a conjurer and a ranged user should have similar tactics 14:57:42 there was an argument made that ranged combat doesn't have a good niche in crawl that's not already taken by other forms of combat (magic, melee, evocables) 14:57:47 it might be true 15:00:03 PleasingFungus: I think that's the question, certainly, but I'm not sure that's true. If, say, ammo mulched 100% and generated about 1/3 to 1/2 as much as current mulch rates suggest, ranged combat could be a highly effective/powerful resource that 1) requires specific XP dedication, but 2) can't be used forever. Unlike Evocations, you wouldn't be able to apply the same skill to a variety of options, just the one powerful, positioning-agnotic attack t 15:00:53 would mean we don't support the Archer, but we don't support the Assassin, either, and that's an actual class 15:01:07 imo implement it. I wash my hands of the business 15:01:10 well there are still two gods that gift ammo 15:01:11 I disagree with that. There's rarely a shortage of needles. 15:01:20 except the specialty needles 15:01:25 and those are already quite scarce 15:02:04 <_miek> I'd like to see a spell that acts as basic ammo 15:02:06 PleasingFungus: well, I'm asserting something, but I don't really know if I'm right. I'm interested in other opinions. 15:02:07 <_miek> similar to diablo1 15:02:36 <_miek> and then real ammo can be mulched and a player can still use ranged combat but have to fall back to mage-tactical-concerns 15:03:37 MarvinPA: Ammo gifting gods does potentially muck with the idea of limited usage. I'm not sure whether that would be a problem . . . 15:04:04 MarvinPA: imo neither of those gods should gift ammo 15:04:12 Anyone else got an idea about how to make ranged combat reasonable/tactically relevant? 15:04:12 just weapons (and armour, for oka) 15:04:20 this is something that I think is true regardless of other changes 15:04:37 It would definitely help balance ammo 15:13:27 argonaut updated his unrand thing 15:13:35 maxwell's cage 15:14:02 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:22 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:48 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:24 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:02 -!- melllvar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:16 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:31:23 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 15:33:42 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:53 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:46 g - the ring of Eternal Night {-Tele *Tele rF++ rC+ rN+ HP+9 Slay+5 Stlth+} 15:42:53 - tele and *tele ? 15:43:05 oops 15:43:15 wow 15:43:17 nice ring 15:43:23 Lasty strikes again! 15:43:37 on d:7 15:45:08 -!- ZRN_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:14 it's going to be an eternal night before all the bugs are fixed 15:46:25 i think that was already fixed (and possibly artefacts being even better than they're supposed to be was also fixed a bit? i hope so at least) 15:46:37 actually, that one was mine, and I fixed it (twice) 15:46:52 %git 60911782f2c56 15:46:52 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3638-g6091178: Re-fix artefact prop banning 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60911782f2c5 15:47:00 !lm heteroy x=vlong 15:47:00 !blame pleasingfungus 15:47:00 I pronounce pleasingfungus... Guilty! 15:47:01 34578. [2015-01-15 21:33:00] [vlong=0.16-a0-3639-gab560df] heteroy the Chopper (L6 HOCK of Xom) killed the ghost of Audax the Cudgeler, an average GrBe of Trog on turn 2340. (D:4) 15:47:05 huh 15:47:08 v0v 15:47:12 may need to fix a third time, idk 15:47:21 if that's your game 15:47:27 MarvinPA: I'm working on fixing artefact quality 15:47:36 further than it has been already 15:47:41 will push some stuff tonight 15:47:43 yeah 15:48:03 ugh 15:48:20 !lm heteroy x=gid 15:48:21 34578. [2015-01-15 21:33:00] [game_key=heteroy:cao:20150015212656S] heteroy the Chopper (L6 HOCK of Xom) killed the ghost of Audax the Cudgeler, an average GrBe of Trog on turn 2340. (D:4) 15:48:32 !lm heteroy gid="heteroy:cao:20150015212656S" 1 x=vlong 15:48:33 1/5. [2015-01-15 21:26:57] [vlong=0.16-a0-3639-gab560df] heteroy the Chopper (L1 HOCK of Xom) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 15:48:36 shit 15:48:44 well, I'll see if I can fix it a third time 15:55:39 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:59:03 -!- markgo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:32 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:08:41 -!- MartinW has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:45 Hello. 16:09:01 I am playing on cdo with a level 14 character, but I don't see any annoucements in ##crawl 16:09:32 that would be because gretell is down 16:12:19 That would explain it yes. 16:12:23 Ah. 16:12:24 And aw. : 16:12:41 How do the bots work anyway, do they hook into the lua or do they check the log files? 16:13:11 neither 16:13:32 ??milestone 16:13:32 milestone[1/4]: Milestone fields: v, cv, name, race, cls, char, xl, sk, sklev, title, place, br, lvl, ltyp, hp, mhp, mmhp, str, int, dex, god, dur, turn, nrune, urune, time, type, noun, milestone, game_id. game_id points at the game owning the milestone, to see the corresponding game use !lg * id=<1245>. game_id may be null. 16:13:35 eh 16:13:38 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:29 -!- markgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:09 -!- markgo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:45 answer: magic 16:16:12 thirty deep elf wizards, all incanting furiously 16:16:21 alternating between channeling & chowing down on cheese & sausage 16:16:41 how do they actually work? 16:17:05 is it possible to set up an announcement bot that isn't on the same server, just grabbing the logs? 16:17:29 well, it should be possible, but is that they way the current bots work? 16:17:42 you shouldn't need to touch the logs regardless 16:17:48 logs are for humans only 16:18:03 really? 16:18:12 I believe the thing you'd want to poke at is the 'milestone file' 16:18:20 also please don't hammer servers 16:18:23 yeah, that's what I mean 16:18:39 what do you mean by "hammer" 16:18:53 is getting a few KB every few minutes ok 16:19:36 I'm thinking of setting one up for CPO you see 16:19:51 since I don't think cribozai wants to 16:20:01 I mean chequers 16:20:05 heh 16:20:09 tab-completed again...... 16:20:33 tbh I have no fondness for server bots but do as you please, so long as chequers is cool with it 16:21:08 I think there's a channel for crawl-admins or something like that 16:21:12 I could just make it announce wins and high level deaths 16:21:14 <|amethyst> well 16:21:24 <|amethyst> make sure you wget -c or whatever 16:21:29 yeah 16:21:31 <|amethyst> so you don't download the whole file each time 16:21:39 yep lol 16:22:13 <|amethyst> I don't think it would be a problem for chequers, but if it is I can make them available on CAO 16:22:18 <|amethyst> since CAO has to pull those anyway 16:22:36 <|amethyst> you do need both logfile and milestones, since deaths aren't in milestones unless you're a felid 16:23:10 <|amethyst> (and even then, the last death isn't) 16:23:13 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:24:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:33 yeah, my bot Kramell uses milestone files 16:24:50 they main thing is the formatting of the announcements 16:24:52 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:48 quick question: If I backup a vm hd 16:25:56 will I be able to use it on another pc? 16:26:20 <|amethyst> assuming you can run the same vm monitor on the other computer 16:26:25 depends on the VMM 16:26:38 normally I don't find announcements that useful, but it's nice in tourneys to see announcements for your team, which is my motivation 16:26:48 oracle vm virtualbox 16:26:54 <|amethyst> if it's just a plain raw disk image, you may even be able to use it with another vm or on physical hardware 16:27:01 !!! 16:27:06 that's what I wanted to hear 16:27:07 thanks! 16:27:15 <|amethyst> rockygargoyle__: at the very least you should be able to move it to another machine with vb 16:27:27 -!- Ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:59 -!- MartinW has left 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I joined him on D:4. By the time I died on Lair:4, I had **.... piety and had been gifted a total of 2 plain decks. This was while wearing an amulet of faith the entire time. I am never picking Nemelex again." 18:02:19 that sounds odd 18:02:24 I wonder how much resting they were doing 18:03:14 I guess if the nemelex piety gain was changed to be like Ru's 18:03:17 it would be fine 18:03:45 in my experience the card gifting is too random and unreliable 18:04:16 -!- notid1 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:40 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:52 sacrifice a finger and a new legendary of destruction falls from the sky 18:04:56 deck 18:05:53 last time I tried nem deck gifting was fine 18:06:01 everything else was not 18:06:24 well, I mean, you "should" hoard your cards because you don't know when you will be given another ones 18:06:40 sometimes you get two on the same floor 18:06:48 sometimes it takes a long time to get one 18:06:59 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:01 oh yeah I have a simple thing I can do that should make things better 18:07:10 right now the piety gain is scaled by the size of the level 18:07:11 which is super dumb 18:07:52 it works with ashenzari 18:07:53 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:11 (but ashenzari is totally different) 18:08:18 ash is p different, ya 18:08:35 but I think mostly it works because ash piety becomes almost irrelevant after a certain point 18:08:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:45 whereas right now you have stuff like getting several deck gifts per zig floor 18:08:45 what do you have in mind? something like piety on kills? 18:08:47 no 18:08:49 just 18:08:51 de-scaling it 18:08:58 de-scaling? 18:09:08 piety per square explored independent of the size of the level 18:09:12 aah 18:09:43 but let me ask you something, if piety by exploration wasn't an option, what would be the next idea? 18:09:45 -!- oddshocks has quit [Changing host] 18:10:24 how about you sacrifice items? 18:10:33 you know, stuff you find in the dungeon 18:10:38 !sacrifice gammafunk 18:10:38 * Sequell sacrifices gammafunk! 18:10:39 it's fun!! 18:10:40 good 18:10:40 sounds awesome!! 18:11:05 op op op op seems like a lot of fun 18:11:06 I think it might be possible to make a cool item sacrifice conduct 18:11:09 maybe I'll try at some point 18:11:30 what if, after you sacrifice an item, you sacrifice that type of item entirely 18:11:30 yeah as some kind of "not-every-item-you-find" thing at least 18:11:30 like ru 18:11:32 but with items 18:11:40 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:11:44 <_miek> could be like Sif 18:11:48 <_miek> piety on levelling evocations 18:12:00 like, I sacrifice a potion of heal wounds, then I never find heal wounds again 18:12:11 genocide items 18:12:12 rude 18:12:15 <_miek> but then that'd suck when you get to 27 evoc 18:12:17 damn 18:12:19 actually that's insanely strong 18:12:27 well 18:12:31 depending on implementation 18:12:39 sacrifice shit you wouldn't want anyway so you get something else 18:12:44 if it rerolled the potion, that'd be insanely abusable, but I guess you could just squash it instead 18:12:44 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:12:46 ya 18:12:57 huh, it'd never occurred to me that if you got all 27 magic skills, you'd eventually lose all your sif piety 18:13:05 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:08 The Sif Trap 18:13:08 no, but "bad items" would give very little piety 18:13:09 wasn't that special cased? 18:13:11 or no piety at all 18:13:14 rockygargoyle: who cares 18:13:16 -!- Giratina548 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:19 <_miek> yeah except you don't really spend sif piety much 18:13:22 well you'd have to get 27 all skills because ash and skill transfer 18:13:24 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:29 pleasingfungus: I do!! 18:13:32 you don't even want piety in that case, you'd just want a world in which all potions were good 18:13:39 by sacrificing all the bad types 18:13:55 likewise scrolls, etc 18:14:09 I mean, there would have to be a "good sacrifice", like sacrificing "emergency_item" 18:14:28 not just sacrificing a scroll of random effects or something 18:14:30 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:33 but I can see the system is flawed 18:14:56 no it's trivially fixable 18:14:58 like I said 18:15:08 just make those items squashed instead of rerolled 18:15:27 so there are fewer potions in the dungeon, etc 18:15:37 aah, I wasn't thinking about rerolling 18:15:49 that's why you were against it 18:15:55 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:58 well 18:16:22 the current nemelex piety implementation just doesn't do the trick 18:16:23 I do like the idea of sacrificing individual cool treasures, tho. would need to both balance things such that they weren't rare enough that piety was insanely luck-dependent, but not common enough to cause the Hoover Problem. randarts, sure. books? good potions/scrolls...? idk 18:16:44 rockygargoyle__: I think it's possible to adjust nemelex piety in a much simple way than tossing out the current system & writing another. 18:16:55 I agree with that 18:17:10 I think it'd be simple to just change one number in the right number to adjust scaling, if adjustment is needed. (and there's no consensus on that.) 18:17:15 but I don't know, it doesn't "fits" with the gambler god idea 18:17:33 item sacrificing fit even worse 18:17:35 tbh 18:17:38 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:17:47 neither does exploring or pressing p over every piece of crap on the floor 18:18:10 <_miek> gambling god, makes bets with you on whether you can kill a creature in X turns 18:18:18 that's a lastyism 18:18:23 <_miek> haha :P 18:18:25 hahah 18:18:28 he had a crd email about that a while back 18:19:01 as part of a broader scheme to turn nemelex into the god of Dominion 18:19:01 <_miek> I still like the idea of nemelex being a deck-building god 18:19:14 <_miek> then it doesn't matter if he doesnt' gift you new decks because you just reshuffle your discard pile 18:19:16 I like nothing. I am devoid of joy 18:19:25 everyone knows that 18:19:28 also, piety not mattering sounds like a vote against the scheme :) 18:22:10 exploration piety is flawed IMo 18:22:23 if you want infinite decks, for exemple 18:22:31 you can go to abyss or pan or do zigs 18:22:41 but in a normal game, the rng has total control 18:23:23 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:23 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:25:56 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:27:22 uh 18:27:23 yes 18:27:25 that is how crawl works, yes 18:27:27 likewise with xp 18:27:29 and items 18:27:31 and other gods' piety 18:27:34 etc........ 18:28:08 PleasingFungus has total control. 18:28:20 Grunt is out of control! 18:28:21 Grunt has total control over PleasingFungus, fortunately. 18:28:51 -!- link_1081 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:30:03 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:30:15 * PleasingFungus is no longer charmed. 18:30:25 * PleasingFungus remains, however, extremely charming. 18:31:17 * Grunt gestures. PleasingFungus is hexed! 18:31:43 the thing is 18:31:44 h3x0r? 18:31:48 with nemelex it's different 18:31:56 nemelex is only useful while you have decks 18:32:16 like crate said, he has 2 kinds of piety 18:32:41 you can have 200 piety and even then he can be useless 18:33:51 why not just tie decks directly into him instead of randomly handing them out as items 18:33:55 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:59 I agree 18:34:01 implement it 18:34:12 well, probably design it first, then implement it 18:34:15 * Grunt decks PleasingFungus. 18:34:18 rude 18:35:19 that being said, that has nothing to do with nemelex's piety mechanic 18:35:34 it'd drop two pietys to one :u 18:35:35 pieties? 18:36:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:59 did anyone else have all their autopickup settings turned off/ 18:37:11 kvaak: no, I mean rg's complaining about exploration piety 18:37:12 I vaguely recall someone complaining about in irc 18:41:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:50 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:13 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:52:53 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:56:37 -!- Guest49820 is now known as SwissStopwatch 19:03:15 -!- Giratina548 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:08:15 Lasty: yeah I had this weird issue like that on my foak 19:08:32 well my problem was unided stuff got disabled 19:08:42 Lasty: can you check your unided scrolls settings in \ 19:08:58 unided pots, scrolls I guess 19:09:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:11:02 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 19:11:18 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:55 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:23:22 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:23:44 -!- Giratina548 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:28:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:42:16 -!- Ququman__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:28 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:32 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:24 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:41 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0/20141125180439]] 19:50:43 -!- demiskeleton__ has quit [Client Quit] 19:52:33 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:52:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:24 -!- Giratina548 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:04:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:46 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:09:53 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3644-g588fcbe: Let fungusformed players stumble around while confused with monsters around (qw). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=588fcbe0a834 20:10:53 oh, you beat me to it 20:11:55 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:47 sorry, probably shouldn't have mentioned it to you and then fixed it myself 20:16:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:11 I think I would have done something different and less simple anyway :) 20:16:48 (I was contemplating giving "You're too confused to move" in fungus form in that specific case and wasting the turn) 20:19:26 -!- mong has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 20:20:05 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3645-g3617713: Fix logic in has_pending_input(). 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=361771344874 20:20:05 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3646-gfc414b0: Don't try to get a command if the turn is already over. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc414b026e74 20:20:45 elliptic: please tell me these are qw-fixes 20:20:50 gw will be extremely happy if so 20:21:41 they make qw handle some things better yes 20:22:28 I didn't attribute them to qw though because qw didn't do a very good job of telling me what was wrong and I had to dig through a ton of macro code 20:22:36 so I didn't want to share the credit 20:23:03 haha 20:23:05 poor qw 20:23:10 where is the love...? 20:23:26 hey, I just gave qw a qw-commit a few minutes ago :P 20:23:32 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:08 -!- us17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:42 those will probably solve a few phantom gw-bugs 20:28:56 (I need to rewrite chunks of gw anyway now that things like ctrl-closing a door are unthings) 20:32:52 heh 20:32:58 wheals, always ruining... 20:33:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:57 hrm 20:38:05 I'm getting a bunch of errors when including random-weight.h in this file 20:38:07 I don't know why 20:38:08 ? 20:38:13 ./random-weight.h:23:13: error: use of undeclared identifier 'random2'; did you mean 'srandom'? 20:38:24 actually, just that, twice 20:38:26 did you include random.h first 20:38:32 n 20:38:41 actually random-weight probably should do that.... 20:38:45 probably 20:40:29 yes. 20:40:35 bh should probably do that.... 20:41:42 :( 20:42:01 okay... 20:42:36 Kramin: if you'd like to set up an announce bot go ahead 20:50:34 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-3647-g76b238e: Random Changes 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=76b238ec7c2b 20:50:45 dang. 20:51:07 chequers: I read that as "annoyance bot" 20:51:20 many in ##crawl would probably agree 20:52:08 <- 20:52:17 ^ 20:52:24 > 20:52:27 (except I no longer go to ##crawl so I don't get to vote) 20:52:28 v 20:52:32 ! 20:52:35 * Grunt votes PleasingFungus out. 20:52:40 rude 20:52:41 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:52:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:52:53 grunt is very rude 20:53:01 rude. 20:53:03 -!- marsbars has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:15 you're only allowed in ##crawl or ##crawl-dev 20:54:36 this is probably old hat, but I came across a game that Oryx made: orxydesignlabs.com/famaze 20:54:58 dunno if there are any ideas we can steal from him, but it's super clever 20:55:54 uh 20:55:57 server not found 20:56:04 even when I switch it from "orxy" to "oryx" 20:56:12 damn he's onto you guys already 20:56:24 http://oryxdesignlab.com/famaze/ this seems to work 20:57:45 PleasingFungus: er, that, yeah 21:00:34 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:00:42 the 2d overview with the side scrolling display is messing with my head 21:01:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:01:19 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:12 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:06:31 nicolae-: be honest though, how not-messed-up was your head before seeing that 21:07:05 right now, after staring at Too Much Python Code, my head is pretty messed up tbh 21:07:17 -!- chequers has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07:39 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:49 i'm going to plead the third on that 21:08:39 also i've been bouncing around an idea for a large swamp vault focused on plant based monsters but i'm not sure what to do with it, it's not really good as a rune vault because fedhas = almost freebie rune 21:09:36 nicolae-: hrm, how large we talkin' 21:09:38 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 21:09:39 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:09:50 depends on how ambitious i'm feelin' 21:10:09 i was thinking of making it orient: center just for the novelty 21:10:12 cheibrodos did a large mausoleum (sp) vault that was conceived as an end, but DECK correctly assesed that we have that covered already 21:10:28 yeah swamp has like eight billion rune vaults 21:10:35 nicolae-: yeah, but cute tricks like that are great at making it never place if it's of much size 21:10:47 also true 21:10:50 given the swamp layout; actual testing might reveal it to be ok though 21:10:57 -!- Giratina548 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:20 eh, i'll see 21:11:36 <_miek> sometimes you just get freebie runes 21:11:41 I think just a largish vault (probably float or maybe even better a specific orient, likely not center) plant vault could bbe fine 21:11:45 <_miek> there's a simulacra swamp vault IRIC 21:11:46 <_miek> IIRC* 21:11:55 there's a simulacra swamp vault in IRC?! 21:11:59 DECK? 21:11:59 I will so ignore that 21:12:12 there's lots of vaults in irc 21:12:22 PleasingFungus: LEGENDARY DECK (of swords towers -man) 21:12:34 ok 21:12:34 that's what I thought 21:12:39 * Grunt decks gammafunk. 21:12:54 I should see how he reacts to being called "d-money" 21:13:01 there should be a deck of divination-themed cards 21:13:06 call it... Inspector Deck 21:13:16 dang 21:13:26 So dope on tha mic 21:16:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3648-ga4a7e4e: Readjust artefact gen (pt 1) 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4a7e4eca503 21:16:10 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3649-ge23cfc4: Readjust artefact gen (pt 2) 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 70+ 59-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e23cfc487fa9 21:21:28 -!- cuba has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:22:43 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 21:23:50 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:25:35 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:26:24 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:45 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:30:37 -!- AnnoyedKitten is now known as UncertainKitten 21:31:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:42 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:46 hey PleasingFungus, while you're working on artefact stuff 21:36:56 perhaps collaborate with Lasty to find a good way to expose that info in lua 21:37:09 [qxg]w will thank you 21:37:38 hrm 21:37:59 I feel like it would make more sense for an actual botter to write that stuff - I don't have a good sense of the requirements 21:39:52 -!- Ahrin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:53 -!- cloud4ge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:41:12 Can I get some input on a game? Tried to use Gozag's Open Shop invocation with 679 gold and now the character is stuck unable to open any, since the cheapest is 789 gold. I don't see a way to get out of the selection screen and restarting PuTTY hasn't done anything. 21:41:23 hm 21:41:25 that shouldn't happen 21:41:39 that is, it should always generate one shop that's cheap enough 21:41:47 I'm in-game right now, you're welcome to spectate to see for yourself. 21:41:49 this is probably my fault 21:41:51 oh 21:41:53 !blame PleasingFungus 21:41:53 !lm Ahrin 21:41:53 I pronounce PleasingFungus... Guilty! 21:41:54 9296. [2015-01-16 03:02:25] Ahrin the Conjurer (L8 MuAE of Gozag) killed Pikel on turn 8276. (D:6) 21:41:56 hahaha 21:41:58 fucking mu 21:42:02 muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 21:42:04 oh... hahahahah 21:42:05 ok someone else can fix your game, I'll fix the bug 21:43:23 what server are you on? 21:43:26 cszo 21:43:45 hrm. I might be able to kill your game which will put you back to your last save or level change 21:44:00 whatever works 21:44:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3650-gfa8b5ed: Changelog through 0.16-a0-3649-ge23cfc4 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa8b5ed6dc14 21:44:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3651-g391ff2f: Don't trap mu using Call Merchant (Ahrin) 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=391ff2fa99ca 21:45:29 should I keep the game open or close it? 21:45:29 it's unclear if I'll be able to do anything. I never bothered asking neil how to kill a single game 21:45:29 kill 'em all and let zot sort 'em out 21:46:09 it can wait if you need to speak with someone before trying something 21:46:42 <|amethys1> Ahrin: try it now 21:46:43 !seen |amethyst 21:46:43 I last saw |amethyst at Thu Jan 15 22:54:11 2015 UTC (4h 52m 32s ago) quitting, saying '*.net *.split'. 21:46:44 Ahrin (L9 MuAE) (D:8) 21:46:48 :) 21:47:02 |amethys1: is there an easy way to find the pid of a game if I need to kill just one? 21:47:05 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:47:07 Still at the merchant selection. 21:47:15 <|amethys1> oh, need a rebuild 21:47:21 <|amethys1> bh: I do ps auxww | grep username 21:47:51 oh, cool. I was just looking at the crawl-git processes and missed the dgl process 21:48:11 <|amethys1> rebuild started 21:48:45 <|amethys1> Ahrin: I'm going to kill the process again, don't start back up until sizzell announces the rebuild 21:48:52 Alright. 21:48:59 <|amethys1> then make sure to press T when it asks if you want to transfer 21:49:05 <|amethys1> I think it was T 21:49:18 Ahrin (L9 MuAE) (D:8) 21:49:34 -!- rockygargoyle__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:49:51 That's the rebuild message? 21:49:58 <|amethys1> no 21:50:11 <|amethys1> it will say < Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: ... 21:50:25 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:37 <|amethys1> it's almost done 21:50:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3651-g391ff2f (34) 21:50:52 <|amethys1> there you go 21:50:55 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 21:51:09 |amethyst is not the 1 21:51:13 <|amethyst> and I am off to sleep, hopefully it works now 21:51:34 (most professional anarchic devteam ever) 21:51:47 It does not. :( 21:52:09 Ahrin: did it ask you to transfer your save? 21:52:15 It did, and I did transfer. 21:53:07 I'll close and leave it for now, it can get dealt with another time. 21:53:23 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:53:42 hrm 21:53:44 PleasingFungus: I don't see how your patch helps him, but I'm totally unfamiliar with gozag code 21:53:51 hm 21:53:53 oh 21:53:55 I'm bad at code, that's why 21:54:03 gimme a sec, I'll actually fix it 21:54:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 21:56:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3652-g8567522: Really fix mu call merchant 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8567522b6c50 21:58:22 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:07 PF: did you kickoff a rebuild? 22:01:15 n 22:01:30 update: y 22:01:41 update 2: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-15-january-2015 wordpress post up 22:01:45 -!- manman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:02:07 * Grunt confuses PleasingFungus. 22:02:32 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3652-g8567522 (34) 22:03:19 * PleasingFungus stumbles around! 22:07:49 when we actually (actually (actually)) rollout webtiles-changes in the latest incarnation on a server, *I* get to write the trunk update 22:08:05 and it will just incredible 22:08:08 *be 22:08:25 :) 22:08:25 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:35 im psych 22:08:43 PSYCH 22:08:53 ! 22:09:34 . 22:11:33 PleasingFungus: but I need stat-stick weapons! 22:11:55 you're want me to have no relec on v:5?! 22:12:22 the poor elves.... 22:13:15 !lg . (( HEIE || HESu )) place=vaults:5 s=ckaux 22:13:15 30 games for gammafunk (((HEIE || HESu)) place=vaults:5): 10x, 6x large rock, 3x bolt of lightning, 2x dire flail, glaive, orb of destruction, great mace, bolt of frost, stone, great blast of fire, poisoned bolt, bolt of cold, by the air 22:13:33 the rocks are bogus, lighting is the true killer 22:18:17 stat-sticks are still real, we just no longer have special super stat stick generation 22:18:22 also nice rocks 22:20:23 what is a stat-stick 22:20:30 it is a stick 22:20:32 with stat boosts 22:20:48 i love those 22:22:06 ??stat stick 22:22:06 I don't have a page labeled stat_stick in my learndb. 22:23:06 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:30:43 -!- Jafet has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:55 hmmm, i wonder if this vault i made is too deadly. ah it'll be fine. 22:32:05 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:02 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:17 1learn add nicolae 22:34:20 !lg * kmap=pf_orc_diabolical 22:34:21 8. Digsby the Peltast (L15 GrFi of Makhleb), blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence) on Orc:4 (pf_orc_diabolical) on 2015-01-15 23:48:37, with 80276 points after 25645 turns and 2:46:55. 22:34:26 smote 22:34:32 i need to get up in the kill rankings 22:37:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:39:50 !kw diabolical vlong>=0.16-a0-3534-g5c12db1 22:39:50 Defined keyword: diabolical => vlong>=0.16-a0-3534-g5c12db1 22:40:09 !lg * place=orc:4 kmap!= s=kmap diabolical 22:40:09 61 games for * (place=orc:4 kmap!= diabolical): 8x pf_orc_diabolical, 7x pubby_orc_utopia, 6x grunt_orc_community_town_hall, 6x grunt_orc_garden, 4x st_orc_pillars, 4x grunt_orc_cross, 3x st_orc_rangers, 3x uniq_nessos, 3x st_orc_open, 3x uniq_saint_roka, 3x st_orc_ogre_mass, 2x st_orc_congregation, 2x st_orc_elflike, 2x grunt_orc_tribal_feast, 2x st_orc_town, uniq_urug, st_orc_mages, grunt_orc_co... 22:40:31 Ladies an gentelmen of the jury, he is guilty of imba. I rest my case 22:40:48 *gentlemen 22:41:17 what's the sentence 22:41:29 the ultimate price 22:41:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 22:41:49 He must only edit kennysheep vaults until those killnumbers come down 22:42:04 noooo 22:42:05 brutal. 22:42:22 imo a pro vaultsmaster should nerf my vault 22:42:24 <_< 22:42:47 which vault 22:43:15 the..the one that's killing all those poor players in orc 22:43:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:47 !vault pf_orc_diabolical 22:43:47 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/orc.des;hb=HEAD#l1900 22:43:52 i don't see any vaults killing poor players. i see a lot of vaults killing some players who are sticking their noses where they don't belong. 22:43:58 tbf 22:44:00 it's new 22:44:03 which will improve killcount 22:44:08 those top three vault authors are all highly circumspect imo 22:44:09 !lg * kmap=pf_orc_diabolical s=name 22:44:10 8 games for * (kmap=pf_orc_diabolical): DenpaOtoko, sapreaver, Gekkouka, Digsby, Sharkman1231, starmstar, fearitself, Syneil 22:44:16 Syneil! 22:44:22 do I know syneil 22:44:23 who? 22:44:25 !gamesby syneil 22:44:25 syneil has played 2408 games, between 2013-02-28 16:31:11 and 2015-01-11 17:34:52, won 1 (0.0%), high score 1586053, total score 17955768, total turns 10293081, play-time/day 1:11:03, total time 33d+16:47:21. 22:44:29 hu 22:44:30 is it the Cyber Neil? 22:44:31 h 22:44:57 that is also a suspiciously large number of games... 22:45:00 !nick neil 22:45:00 No nick mapping for neil. 22:45:05 !nick syneil 22:45:06 No nick mapping for syneil. 22:45:08 neil is just neil. 22:45:14 !lg syneil s=src 22:45:15 2408 games for syneil: 1773x cao, 627x cdo, 6x cszo, 2x cbro 22:45:23 probably not 22:45:40 sharkman, him I recognize 22:45:46 if it's the same one 22:47:13 !lg * name~~sharkman s=name 22:47:14 2583 games for * (name~~sharkman): 2545x Sharkman1231, 33x SharkmanAlt, 5x sharkman123 22:47:24 those are good names 22:48:47 wonder what his password is... 22:49:27 g4mm4funk 22:49:43 dang. 22:51:04 get those rust devils outta my name 22:55:39 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:02:14 are you afraid? 23:02:19 think you're getting a little 23:02:21 rusty? 23:02:35 come on, PF. 23:02:36 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3652-g8567522 (34) 23:02:37 no need to be so 23:02:38 corrosive. 23:03:03 have you tried to be a little more... 23:03:03 ferrous oxide 23:03:06 wait, dammit- 23:04:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3653-g59ca886: Improve Gozag/fe interactions (Atomikkrab) 10(56 seconds ago, 3 files, 30+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=59ca8864c0c5 23:04:55 also, have a preview of the vault file i'm working on http://pastebin.com/zW397EpR 23:06:52 nicolae-: heh 23:08:24 i might change it back from stone to rock just because with stone it's a real pain getting the maelstrom to wake up 23:08:34 could spawn it awake 23:08:36 probably 23:08:44 or is that glass 23:08:48 i tried that, it just eats the walls immediately 23:08:50 yeah, it's glass 23:08:51 heh 23:09:03 rock would be less fun imo 23:09:09 just /dig..... 23:09:15 yes 23:09:27 and it was fun in testing to shout at the walls for a while while monsters come at you 23:09:34 and then just before you get to the rune the abyss shifts 23:09:40 finally, a use for ?noise 23:09:43 or /lightning 23:09:50 well, i think the wand of lightning probably had uses 23:10:00 -!- demiskeleton__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:10:00 PleasingFungus: don't forget 23:10:00 gong 23:10:00 PTOANNNG! 23:10:02 ! 23:10:05 nicolae-: :p 23:10:06 ha 23:21:17 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:56 anyway, night 23:21:58 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:22:10 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:10 The build was broken. (master - 391ff2f #1539 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/47203224 23:22:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:22:57 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:25:30 -!- 7GHAAMD9X has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:12 -!- sd922 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:29:15 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:31 -!- Guest47751 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:35:26 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:35 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45:28 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3654-g4207e20: Ban Statue Form for Gargoyles (9407) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4207e20bc5ad 23:45:42 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:46:53 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:00 + if (SP_GARGOYLE == you.species) 23:47:01 wow 23:47:04 my head spins at that order 23:47:20 !send Grunt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoda_conditions 23:47:20 Sending http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoda_conditions to Grunt. 23:48:01 if (GOD_XOM = you.religion) 23:48:05 p much :) 23:48:14 didn't feel like you.religion = GOD_XOM tonight 23:48:19 (I was typing that before you butted in!!!) 23:51:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3655-g786489f: De-scale exploration piety 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=786489fb3b6c 23:54:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]]