00:01:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, I wonder about old old, for comparison... but I guess that would be quite a pain to backport 00:01:10 -!- inspector071 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:11 how old is old old? 00:01:17 this is pre any of lasty's refactoring 00:01:20 to be clear 00:01:22 <|amethyst> ah 00:01:22 -!- notid1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:01:28 <|amethyst> okay 00:01:32 I backported 00:01:38 and it was a pain 00:01:38 but a small one 00:01:38 <|amethyst> I thought this was before and after the recent change 00:01:40 n 00:01:56 doing some more stats now 00:03:31 ...it looks like slaying is showing up on randart flails? that can't be right 00:03:54 a while back my friend and i were working on an olgreb themed wizlab. is there still some desire for that? 00:04:16 sure 00:04:18 if it's good 00:04:44 i study chemistry so i was hoping to make it good 00:04:59 i'd like loot to be staff of olgreb and hat of the alchemist 00:06:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3634-g7a4f397: Drop an order of magnitude from &^Ib iters 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a4f397a8840 00:06:43 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:50 -!- halberd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:57 we don't guarantee unrands basically anywhere 00:07:08 the usual rule is to give a 10% chance for thematically appropriate loot 00:07:14 *thematically appropriate unrands 00:07:16 oh, i didnt realize 00:07:32 is zonguldrok not even guaranteed? 00:07:39 zonguldrok is probably guaranteed 00:07:44 and there are a couple of other vaults 00:07:49 I've never seen wucad mu without wucad mu 00:07:50 wucad, maybe? 00:07:52 ahh 00:07:53 wucad mu, yes 00:07:58 so yeah I guess there's precedent 00:07:58 there's the vitality vault 00:08:02 <|amethyst> !send basically anywhere Dispater 00:08:02 Sending Dispater to basically anywhere. 00:08:05 yeah there are a few dungeon vaults 00:08:09 there's one for the crown of dyslexia 00:08:13 and the autumn katan 00:08:16 a 00:08:25 wheres the katana? 00:08:31 also the singing sword 00:08:35 <|amethyst> I would say that two unrands is too much though 00:08:36 a dungeon vault with a blademaster 00:08:51 or actually no 00:08:54 that vault has SS only sometimes 00:08:57 kvaak: i think that's not guaranteed 00:08:59 <|amethyst> vimgrep unrand: dat/des/*/* 00:10:00 <|amethyst> hellbinder has majin-bo 00:10:08 ah so thats where that is 00:10:13 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:10:22 lots of new or changed artefacts in places i havent seen in forever 00:10:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3633-g6873515 (34) 00:10:34 <|amethyst> well, they can all generate randomly too 00:11:05 gotcha 00:11:07 <|amethyst> if it already exists, you get just the base item (not sure about item level, which would determine pluses, brand, etc) 00:11:23 !tell lasty (old is pre-any of your changes) Also, http://pastebin.com/UV7tVaBC and http://sprunge.us/fBca (old and new stats respectively) 00:11:23 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:12:36 !tell lasty first set of randart flail stats were probably wrong; not sure what was going on there. the ones in the sprunge link should be right 00:12:36 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:13:36 i would really love to get a char going that can make full use of the orange crystal plate 00:13:41 probably would be a Dg 00:14:06 |amethyst: hm, I guess it is actually possible to just set chk_force_autopickup = { } in rcfile to remove the trog book autopickup thing 00:14:27 !tell lasty in general, it looks like all artefacts are considerably better, but especially weapons 00:14:27 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:14:36 inspector071: chei-ites tend to be big fans 00:14:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: not ideal though 00:14:49 yeah 00:14:52 oh yeah, of course. i need to play chei more 00:15:00 chei is aight 00:15:08 or maybe i dont. i dunno. definitely a god surrounded by lots of opinions 00:15:16 heh 00:15:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh, neat, take a look at the summary stats for scale mail vs scale mail 00:15:44 new or old? 00:15:57 <|amethyst> new 00:16:03 <|amethyst> the averages came out exactly the same to two decimal points 00:16:24 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:25 |amethyst: my other thought was to make ch_force_autopickup return false if it sees a false before a true 00:16:37 |amethyst: i.e. just use the first true/false return 00:16:47 oh 00:16:53 you mean scale mail vs sustab 00:17:05 <|amethyst> err 00:17:05 <|amethyst> yeah 00:17:08 (so nil return means continue to the next function) 00:17:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: ah, I was about to ask 00:17:36 <|amethyst> elliptic: yeah, a tri-state return is probably ideal 00:17:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: also maybe a way to prepend? 00:18:27 <|amethyst> I mean, without modifying chk_force_autopickup directly 00:19:06 it could maybe just always prepend 00:19:15 <|amethyst> elliptic: falling off the end returns nil? 00:19:30 yes 00:20:13 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh wait 00:20:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 00:20:52 <|amethyst> elliptic: I guess remove ch_deny_autopickup then? 00:21:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: I hadn't realised that existed 00:21:27 <|amethyst> elliptic: and that it's checked after force, the opposite of the option 00:21:47 |amethyst: well, I was suggesting keeping the C code as-is 00:22:11 <|amethyst> but the two lua functions check the same list? 00:22:13 so if ch_force_autopickup returns false in the end, that just means don't force 00:22:14 not deny 00:22:26 two different lists 00:23:20 <|amethyst> hm 00:23:31 there might be a good way to combine the two lists/functions but it is tricky because of how _is_option_autopickup works 00:24:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:24:32 <|amethyst> I don't know, that sounds kind of confusing to use... you'd only return false if you wanted to override something on chk_force_autopickup, but then there's a good chance you'd want to write a function that returns true for the ch_deny_autopickup 00:24:52 |amethyst: not if you just want to negate something in the default config without actually denying it 00:26:47 |amethyst: like, if you want to remove the thing that makes trog users autopickup books and also put in an autopickup_exceptions line that picks up a specific book regardless of whether you are with trog 00:27:15 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:27:28 this isn't something people are likely to do precisely but I do think there should be a way to remove default config stuff, not just override it with other config stuff 00:28:08 <|amethyst> yes, but it's not quite removing 00:28:18 <|amethyst> if you add a third autopickup function 00:28:42 <|amethyst> no, you'd never do that if one person was writing the rc 00:29:06 <|amethyst> but maybe someone includes your rc and then tries to add their own pickup function for some particular spellbook in some circumstance 00:29:30 |amethyst: how about this: merge force/deny lists and add another function clear_autopickup_funcs that wipes the list 00:29:51 <|amethyst> elliptic: I think that sounds good 00:29:54 &rc RandomTiles 00:29:55 $(No milestones for RandomTiles.) 00:30:01 hrm 00:30:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: and in the C you can callmbooleanfn it 00:30:10 gammafunk: Lua error: /dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-git/RandomTiles.rc:68: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got nil) 00:30:15 gammafunk: ???? 00:30:15 <|amethyst> elliptic: "it" = ch_combined_autopickup or whatever 00:30:31 weird, doesn't happen for me 00:30:40 possibly I used the wrong include syntax 00:30:43 how am I supposed to add it 00:30:46 oh make sure you get the include order right 00:30:48 the order matters 00:30:59 &rc . 00:31:00 <|amethyst> elliptic: your Lua is much better than mine, so I'd ask you to implement it :) 00:31:01 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/gammafunk.rc 00:31:12 yeah playertiles.rc then randomtiles.rc 00:31:13 |amethyst: callmbooleanfn handles tri-state return? 00:31:22 ah, I think that does it, maybe 00:31:26 no error anyway 00:31:26 and then you have to modify ready() ofc 00:32:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh, hm 00:32:19 ok, no errors but no random tiles 00:32:24 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 00:32:32 <|amethyst> elliptic: I thought so at first, but no, it's just MB_MAYBE in the case of an error 00:32:32 weird. will poke at it the next time I play 00:32:56 gammafunk: also, did you see the artefact stats I posted a little bit ago? for some reason I thought they would be relevant to you 00:33:10 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 00:33:15 yeah I should take a look and see about putting some of said stats in objstat 00:33:17 <|amethyst> elliptic: I was thinking 'ret' was the number of return values but it's not 00:33:30 but I'm not sure what the "good" monikers etc mean 00:34:09 they're good 00:34:18 things can be good, or they can be bad 00:34:22 s/moniker/label/ since apparently moniker doesn't have any meaning outside of sounding kitschy 00:34:40 there are things that are neither good nor bad, but those aren't actually generated outside of wizmode or other weird stuff (like nupgr) 00:34:42 well I mean I need to see what that applies to. is it the artefacts themselves or the props? 00:34:57 artefacts aren't good or bad, but their props are 00:35:08 I think that's what you're asking 00:35:28 yeah, as in, a specific artp is considered either good or bad, what I guess for some depending if + or -? 00:35:38 like rF+ good, rF- bad, contam always bad? 00:36:10 that's what I have to sit down and look at, and a way to shove those fields in without making the objstat table a bigger mess 00:36:40 and then I think another thing is a bid arte dump with basically br, lvl, iteration, artp1, artp2, ..., artpN 00:36:42 |amethyst: that's a little weird 00:36:43 in a table 00:36:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: could make a copy of CLua::callmbooleanfn where r is initialised as lua_isboolean(ls, -1) ? _frombool(lua_toboolean(ls, -1)) : MB_MAYBE; 00:36:51 gammafunk: that's exactly right, yes 00:36:58 +blink always good 00:36:58 as in a seperate text file 00:36:59 you know 00:37:08 yeah ok 00:37:30 I think the &^I thing can be nice for single types, and then objstat can use probably the same stats 00:37:36 just if you want a dungeon breakdown etc 00:37:42 and then the big artefact dump 00:37:46 |amethyst: hm, what to call it though to minimize confusion with callmbooleanfn... 00:37:54 <|amethyst> elliptic: callmaybefn ? :) 00:38:07 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:25 but I'll not get to that until after the janitor + chat mod stuff is done for webtiles-changes 00:38:34 low priority anyhow 00:38:37 <|amethyst> elliptic: or rename callmbooleanfn => trycallbooleanfn 00:41:24 I'm not actually sure how much more objstat will get us than &^Ib right now, but it'll be useful when/if we make generation more sophisticated/context-dependent 00:44:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:45:47 it's not about getting more, it's if you're summarizing artefacts you want to do so in a useful way, so if those stats are a useful way to summarize artefacts, objstat should do so 00:46:37 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 00:48:20 -!- cribozai_ is now known as cribozai 00:48:29 -!- cribozai has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:48:41 -!- HaifischSA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:49:52 -!- Kramin is now known as _Kra____min____ 00:50:11 -!- _Kra____min____ is now known as Kramin 00:50:22 nice underscores 00:57:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09:08 -!- endou______ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:20:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:22 a nice fruit of your art labours: the +7 short sword of Oduog (weapon) {venom, +Blink rElec rN+ HP+9} 01:29:59 obviously this spelled death by killer bee for it's owner 01:31:32 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:35:00 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:59 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:27 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:39:38 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:39:52 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43:48 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:52:18 -!- ruwin has quit [] 02:03:56 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:04:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:14 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:11:07 -!- ballingt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:15:58 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:20:07 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 02:21:13 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3634-g7a4f397 (34) 02:22:16 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:52 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:25:04 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:25:42 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:27:50 -!- Blazinghand__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:52 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:58 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:36:43 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:20 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:52:41 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:30 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:41 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 03:14:47 f - 186 gold the +1 robe of Shet {Regen+ HP-9 Stlth+} 03:14:58 is this an unrand or something 03:14:58 ??shet 03:14:58 shet ~ sht ~ summon horrible things[1/1]: Level 8 summoning spell, produces large abominations and tentacled monstrosities. Has a 1/5 chance to drain intelligence by 1d3 points (1d2 in 0.15). Tentacled monstrosites and abominations have separate summons caps. Affectionately known as XXX. 03:16:13 -!- pyre has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:17:05 ??crap 03:17:05 crap[1/2]: e - the cursed -1 leather armour "Crap" {Acc+2} 03:17:22 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:54 someone needs to get a spriggan and wear that robe 03:19:05 so you literally have no HP 03:19:20 Can you die from HP- randarts 03:19:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:20:05 dunno 03:20:28 !hp sp 1 0 03:20:29 HP apt: -3, XL: 1, Fighting: 0 => MHP = 9 03:20:30 I'm guessing the interface nanny won't let you wear it 03:20:54 how to have exactly 0 HP 03:21:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:41 Ah, it does 03:23:48 Boring vmsg though 03:24:08 it kills you? 03:24:36 I became died 03:25:15 you wat 03:26:44 Hmm what if you take off a HP+9 at 1hp 03:30:21 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:33:47 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:35:46 -!- Guolin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:39:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:40:07 -!- pyre has quit [Client Quit] 03:41:32 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54:00 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58:22 -!- LIX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:15:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16:52 -!- manman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:39 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:57 -!- ballingt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:41:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:06 -!- markgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:48 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:22 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:21:11 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:21:46 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:26:14 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:37 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:53:17 -!- endou______ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:01:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 06:04:27 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Killed by a kitten] 06:23:45 -!- klopfdreh has quit [Client Quit] 06:27:01 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:55 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:00 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:41:01 !message pleasingfungus That's good data! I'm actually quite pleased with the non-flail ones. Weapons have +1 good prop on average thanks to brand, but it seems like they have an extra +1 on average above that. Could it be because of negative enchantment? 06:41:02 You probably meant !messages, or possibly !tell. 06:41:07 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:41:19 !tell pleasingfungus That's good data! I'm actually quite pleased with the non-flail ones. Weapons have +1 good prop on average thanks to brand, but it seems like they have an extra +1 on average above that. Could it be because of negative enchantment? 06:41:19 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:50:19 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:59:58 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:02:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:30 -!- agentgt has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:30 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 07:19:17 -!- cloud4ge has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:24:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(Shoals:5) 09:39:55 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:42:43 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:04 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:09 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50:02 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:37 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:10 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:59:32 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 10:03:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:07:16 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:24 -!- zerkmund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:14:25 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:17:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3635-g5a1d9ef: Simplify banish milestone field logic 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a1d9ef68d52 10:26:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:28:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:49 PleasingFungus: btw, someone asked the other day how the banisher field handles getting abyssed while in abyss already 10:31:38 I don't know whether that actually updates you.banished_by (hopefully not?) 10:32:03 yes, it was magicpoints (or at least she !told me about it). it does update you.banished_by, which means it would reset that field 10:32:03 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:32:17 not ideal but I'm not sure how much trouble it's worth to go through to fix it 10:32:27 I don't think I've ever been banished while in the abyss? 10:32:38 I don't know what the code is like 10:32:38 !lm * noun~~banish 10:32:38 it is pretty rare yes 10:32:47 I hijacked existing code 10:32:55 !lm * abyss.enter s=place 10:32:56 27. [2013-10-25 00:56:18] Shard1697 the Cleaver (L7 MiFi) killed the ghost of BANISHMENT the Poker, an experienced DsDK of Yredelemnul on turn 4143. (D:4) 10:32:57 118332 milestones for * (abyss.enter): 10555x Pan, 9375x Elf:3, 4485x Depths:4, 3446x D:21, 3300x D:25, 2951x Depths:1, 2672x D:22, 2586x D:8, 2318x Depths:2, 2317x Orc:4, 2043x D:10, 1955x D:23, 1942x Elf:5, 1913x Vaults:5, 1854x D:9, 1802x Vaults:1, 1739x Depths:3, 1739x D:24, 1675x D:15, 1652x D:14, 1596x Vaults:2, 1532x Elf:1, 1497x Depths:5, 1491x D:3, 1480x Vaults:4, 1469x D:11, 1441x D:4, 1... 10:33:08 yeah, I meant I don't know what the existing banish code is like :P 10:33:10 !lm * abyss.enter / abyss 10:33:12 0/118332 milestones for * (abyss.enter): N=0/118332 (0.00%) 10:33:14 hm 10:33:17 v0v 10:33:25 probably abyss.enter is smart about it 10:33:29 anyway yeah I was going to continue to explain the existing code and then you distracted me with that query 10:34:51 basically whenever you get banished, there's a field set on the player (you.banished & you.banished_by), but you aren't actually transported into the abyss; that only happens before the beginning of your next turn (after all monster & player actions are finished) 10:35:20 right, I knew that much, and I guess you.banished_by is used for the delayed message? 10:35:43 yes; it used to be wiped after you got banished, but i changed it to be persisted until you left the abyss 10:36:10 there's an assumption that you can only leave by using the stairs out (lugonu's ability just calls "take the stairs out"); hopefully that's true 10:36:30 I guess wizmode can fuck with that but it's wizmode 10:37:11 it looks to me like it should be possible to add a check in banished() to wipe you.banished_by if you were already in abyss 10:37:43 03elliptic02 07* 0.16-a0-3636-gf0307c9: Merge add_autopickup_func and add_no_autopickup_func; add clear_autopickup_funcs. 10(23 minutes ago, 5 files, 50+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0307c90bf47 10:37:45 there is even already an "if (player_in_branch(BRANCH_ABYSS))" block to put it in 10:38:48 you could, though I'm not sure that wiping it is strongly advantageous 10:38:58 it's "wrong" either way in cases where you were banished into the abyss by something else 10:39:09 what do you mean? 10:39:14 oh, right 10:39:21 wiping it isn't correct either 10:39:46 -!- manman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:18 could make player::banish not update banished_by if you are already in abyss 10:40:21 probably the 'right implementation' would be to have to fields, the thing that's currently banishing you and the thing that banished you into the abyss initially 10:40:23 *two 10:40:33 since banished_by isn't actually used for messages if you were already in abyss 10:40:34 we want it to update banished_by so that the note section is correct 10:40:36 oh 10:40:37 it's not? 10:40:39 lemme look 10:41:02 it looks to me like banished_by is only ever used as an argument to banished() 10:41:14 (and in milestone fields) 10:41:51 and banished() returns out without checking that argument if player is in abyss already 10:42:16 still sort of hacky to make player::banish not update banished_by though even if I think it would work 10:42:33 yes on both counts 10:42:41 aaalso, hm 10:43:17 looks like xom can just banish you straight-up - banished() instead of you.banish() 10:43:23 interesting 10:44:51 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:45:02 !lm * current trunk s=banished 10:45:05 Unknown field: banished 10:45:07 hm 10:45:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:47 !lm * current trunk s=banisher 10:45:50 Unknown field: banisher 10:45:55 possibly something has to be updated 10:45:56 PleasingFungus: sequell won't know about it unless the field is added to sequell 10:45:59 yeah 10:46:11 would I have to ping the snark for that? 10:46:19 (sequell does not know about all fields) 10:46:20 yes 10:46:26 ok 10:51:01 !tell greensnark I added a new milestone field in da98d6b559ada, "banisher". It'd be cool if you could add that to Sequell. Thanks! 10:51:01 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 10:51:40 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:02 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:04:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 11:05:48 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:06:10 !banish banisher 11:06:10 Grunt casts a spell. banisher is cast into ##crawl! 11:06:17 brutal. 11:07:25 -!- inspector071 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:02 -!- tarquin6 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:12:39 elliptic, Grunt: did you see the talk about removing the 0.8 AEVP reduction for spellcasting and rescaling the penalty? 11:13:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:13 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:59 not really, was there any actual proposal? 11:16:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3636-gf0307c9 (34) 11:18:48 I was contemplating reducing the multiplier from 25 to 19. That changed a character in plate w/ 20 str and 15 Armour skill by -4%, for SwampDA w/ 9 str and 12 Armour by ~+25%, and for a character in leather armour w/ 7 str and 0 Armour skill by +13%. 11:19:30 (expressed on a spell that was previously at ~50% fail rate in each case) 11:22:31 change in % from 50% is a pretty bad measure IMO 11:22:41 elliptic: What's a good measure? 11:23:21 just say the actual size of the penalty? 11:23:37 since that tells you how much int you need to overcome it 11:24:07 the way spell fail works is that there is a formula that takes in a lot of linear terms 11:24:12 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:42 int*something, spell school average*something, max(0,aevp-0.8)*something 11:25:17 and then the result of that formula is transformed into a % fail rate in a rather complicated nonlinear way 11:26:04 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1] 11:26:37 true. I figured starting from about the same point and seeing the real-world effect would be better, but putting it in terms of how much int to overcome seems reasonable too. I'll try to put it together later. 11:27:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:27:24 in code terms, what you are doing is changing the formula in player_armour_shield_spell_penalty(), which returns an int 11:27:37 so just look at what the int used to be and what it would be after the change 11:29:52 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:10 right 11:31:51 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:52 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:32 -!- rockygargoyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:09 I'm just in position to do that atm 11:37:13 *not in 11:37:24 why does this happen? 11:37:25 http://i.imgur.com/MnLpKkd.png 11:38:06 <|amethyst> do you have a subdirectory called "crawl" ? 11:38:31 <|amethyst> if so that would be the problem: the Makefile wants to name the executable "crawl" 11:38:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:40:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:41:11 uh... 11:41:12 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:41:31 I'm not sure 11:41:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:43 -!- pwnmonkey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:42:12 "crawl is a directory" sounds like there is a directory named "crawl" 11:43:14 so... what can I do? 11:44:24 delete (or move) the "crawl" folder in the crawl-ref/source/ directory 11:44:38 what's the command to do it? 11:45:29 <|amethyst> mv crawl crawldir 11:45:46 <|amethyst> mv is "move", which is how you rename things in Unix 11:45:58 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 11:46:57 "no such file or directory" 11:47:22 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:24 <|amethyst> hmm 11:51:33 sudo it? Maybe you don't have permissions to interact w/ it 11:51:48 (or even see it?) 11:52:05 that last can't really be 11:52:08 <|amethyst> you'd get a different error then 11:52:19 ah 11:57:55 When I did make TILES=y debug the same error happened 12:01:53 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:27 -!- vissborg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:28 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:04:51 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:52 -!- TMTurtle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:52 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:06 <|amethyst> the only possible thing I can think of is that this is a case-insensitive filesystem and you have a directory named "Crawl" or "CRAWL" or such 12:06:14 <|amethyst> what does it say if you do ls -l | grep -i " crawl" 12:07:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:47 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:36 http://i.imgur.com/E5QVAIo.png 12:08:59 <|amethyst> oh 12:09:04 <|amethyst> it should work now 12:09:09 so 12:09:13 I was on the folder crawl 12:09:21 <|amethyst> you were indside that 'crawl' directory when you tried to mv it, yes 12:09:24 <|amethyst> s/indside/inside/ 12:09:33 ahaha that's stupid 12:09:38 thanks 12:12:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ€¦] 12:13:04 !tell pleasingfungus "yxhuvud: do the ring of Strykk {-Tele *Tele rPois+ rF+ AC+5} prevent itself from teleporting?" -- apparently the refactoring of blocking this isn't working as expected. Just letting you know in case you get a chance to address it before me. 12:13:04 Lasty_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 12:14:27 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:16:57 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:53 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:19:32 Keyboard not showing up 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9405 by Wulfbiter 12:19:44 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:48 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:25:04 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:27:21 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:28:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30:13 -!- dis- has quit [Quit: Please verify suicide by typing '@' sign] 12:36:16 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:07 -!- coldfreak has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:13 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:44:59 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:04 -!- Pepe has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:20 so something that I didn't realize: non-hostile monsters can trigger zot traps even when you aren't in LOS 13:02:24 that seems dumb 13:03:02 (*ref e.g. jivyaite slimes filling the level with durable 1s) 13:03:08 and I'm not sure what the advantage of it is 13:04:40 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06:10 it's really crazy on slime 5 13:06:19 tons of slimes triggering zot traps all the time 13:06:40 I even died from an executioner spawned by a jelly out of los 13:07:51 ah, I should mention, I was worshipping jiyva 13:07:54 so they were neutral 13:09:02 ya 13:09:52 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:38 PleasingFungus: that sounds like a bug 13:12:50 I don't think it is 13:13:12 !source traps.cc:994 13:13:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l994 13:13:19 through line 1003 13:13:25 just because it's intentional doesn't mean it's not a bug 13:13:41 are all undesirable behaviours bugs? 13:13:43 this is some deep shit. 13:14:03 no but if they are undesirable then they are still undesirable 13:14:44 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:16:53 this is a key question to resolve. how will we know if a Bug Hunter's Bounty should be awarded? 13:17:05 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 13:19:45 You get half a Bug Hunter's Bounty, just like if you had resolved it with summons. 13:21:18 <|amethyst> wheals: I think the term you're looking for is "broken as designed" :) 13:21:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:57 that would imply there's some sort of design here :P 13:22:21 there's comments! what more could you want? 13:22:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:45 bad design? 13:23:47 in MY crawl? 13:24:03 crawl is beautiful, and perfect. 13:24:52 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=184791#p184791 it's not perfect yet 13:25:20 soon 13:25:58 why don't we have a quokka species yet 13:26:25 because yaks are the crawl animal of choice 13:27:05 feh 13:27:36 !learn add crawl crawl is beautiful, and perfect. 13:27:36 crawl[10/10]: crawl is beautiful, and perfect. 13:28:07 so I had an idea re Tome of Destruction 13:28:08 add to lies as well 13:28:20 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Bos_grunniens_at_Letdar_on_Annapurna_Circuit.jpg/1280px-Bos_grunniens_at_Letdar_on_Annapurna_Circuit.jpg what's so special about yaks? 13:28:21 IUNNO 13:28:37 the fundamental mechanic is conjurations that scale with skill 13:28:38 so 13:29:11 give that to rod of destruction if we like that mechanic, and remove tome entirely 13:29:22 ya the current tome does not have a good niche 13:29:35 deck of destruction & rod of destruction both do what it does, better 13:29:51 ya 13:30:30 the only reason I haven't removed it is because it's essentially harmless and people have been talking about potentially interesting "shard of destruction" ideas, which might be easier to implement if we haven't already ripped out the tome 13:34:19 that said, if someone removed it, I would not be heartbroken 13:35:08 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:38:59 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:44 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:45:02 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 14:00:28 -!- Amnekian has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:03:25 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:06:58 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:14:51 PleasingFungus: are the artifacts posted in web tiles more reasonable today? 14:17:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:32 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 14:23:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:31 !lm atomikkrab x=gid 14:28:31 3375. [2015-01-14 20:27:12] [game_key=Atomikkrab:cszo:20150014054509S] Atomikkrab the Shatterer (L18 OgFi of Okawaru) entered the Spider Nest on turn 37543. (Lair:5) 14:29:29 Lasty_: http://i.imgur.com/3fjPULO.png only one super amazing one (though these are ofc the ones he's not wearing) 14:29:52 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:55 meh 14:29:56 Lasty_: _You finish putting on the +2 fire dragon armour of the Clouds {rElec rPois+ rF++ rC- HP+9 MP+9 Int+2 Slay-2}. 14:29:59 at the end of the day it's a falchion 14:30:05 kvaak: the amulet is the only good one 14:30:07 imo 14:30:13 oh, derp 14:30:26 Wow, that amulet 14:31:01 PleasingFungus: that FDA is perfect. Not great, but really interesting. 14:31:06 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:31:23 idk 14:31:42 Dislike? 14:31:48 it's not mind-blowing but it's a long way from bad 14:31:48 Haifisch: I should just start a game on each server to lock in this wonderful art code 14:31:50 Haifisch: and never update until I win 14:31:56 (Haifisch: PF is off somewhere furiously re-writing art code to only give +1 rF- artifacts) 14:32:22 !vault uniq_fannar 14:32:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des;hb=HEAD#l133 14:32:39 Well, it's effectively -6 and -2 slaying in exchange for {rElec rPois +9 hp/mp Int+2}. Overall, that's a bad trade IMO, but it's close enough to be interesting. 14:33:11 <3 Haifisch :p 14:33:28 I don't think it's reasonable to assume that you have 9 EA scrolls. 14:33:40 IIRC she ended up disliking Ru a lot, but at least she likes this. 14:33:43 *9 more than is needed to enchant up your aux armour 14:33:49 haif is aight 14:34:35 PleasingFungus: sure, you won't always be able to get even FDA to max enchantment 14:34:45 But it's not that uncommon 14:34:56 I don't think I ever have 14:34:59 outside extended 14:35:05 Huh, weird 14:35:23 I usually get MDA or SwampDA to max -- 70% of the time or mroe 14:35:29 and I almost always do 3 runes 14:35:36 ??mottled dragon armour 14:35:36 mottled dragon armour[1/1]: 6AC, 5ER, rNapalm. Can be created by enchanting a mottled dragon hide. 14:35:44 that's more doable 14:36:00 Only by 2 scrolls 14:36:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:38 And it's not that uncommon to find an FDA instead of a hide 14:37:03 probably part of it is that I tend to spend ?ea pre-lair (or even mid-lair) for precious early-game ac 14:37:05 I rarely get anything to max 14:37:19 then again most people probably don't grab their all three runes from lair and dive depths/zot 14:37:26 heh 14:37:37 but yeah, I honestly don't remember the last time I max-enchanted a non-robe body armour 14:38:08 I generally enchant up aux slots as soon as I can get them to +2, then hold off on body armour until I have something I could conceivably use all game (ring mail or leather or plate of rF+ usually) 14:38:15 or sometimes MR+ 14:38:37 oh, same 14:38:42 I guess you find more ea than I do 14:39:01 huh, maybe 14:39:15 Maybe I'm remembering it wrong 14:39:24 maybe I don't get to max as often as I think 14:39:32 I definitely don't use fda that often 14:39:39 !lg Lasty won -log 14:39:40 57. Lasty, XL27 HuAr, T:79925: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150111-231330.txt 14:39:42 !lg Lasty won -log -2 14:39:43 56/57. Lasty, XL27 HuWz, T:83223: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20150105-022716.txt 14:39:44 !lg Lasty won -log -3 14:39:45 55/57. Lasty, XL27 HuIE, T:87064: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lasty/morgue-Lasty-20141228-012708.txt 14:39:50 so human... 14:40:02 !greatrace human lasty 14:40:05 Unwon humans for lasty: HuCK, HuVM 14:40:10 apparently not even my last 15-runer got its body armor to max 14:40:12 !log . mfas 14:40:13 1. perunasaurus, XL27 MfAs, T:98014: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/perunasaurus/morgue-perunasaurus-20141017-185235.txt 14:40:24 then again I used that crazy mad ring mail for most of the game 14:40:29 Looks like one of those is wearing a +3 steam dragon armour 14:40:30 heh 14:40:51 wow, why switch away from that ringmail? 14:41:06 why not, IDA gives more AC 14:41:11 especially with 27 armour 14:41:58 *Tele doesn't seem to be working 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9406 by eeviac 14:42:14 I suppose if you've got the resists you might as well. The EV/lower casting penalty from the ringmail is nice tho 14:42:39 those aren't really relevant with the amount of exp you get in a 15-runer 14:42:59 true 14:43:54 <|amethyst> oh 14:43:59 <|amethyst> re that bug 14:44:04 <|amethyst> !source player_teleport 14:44:05 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l1193 14:44:16 <|amethyst> // randart weapons only 14:44:18 <|amethyst> not any more 14:44:40 oh, heh 14:44:41 oops 14:44:43 <|amethyst> funny thing is, wielding any artefact weapon would have made the *tele work 14:45:03 lol 14:45:08 that's... odd, given we had code that specifically forbade *tele artefact weapons 14:45:10 That's some good bug. 14:45:22 PleasingFungus: We did? I got one about a month ago. 14:45:38 well, you did 14:45:44 I'm investigating right now 14:45:51 *did and do 14:46:35 oh, interesting, that logic was inverted at some point 14:46:38 it used to only appear on weapons 14:46:45 that sounds awful 14:46:48 why did we do that 14:47:03 No idea. Seems like the worst possible outcome., 14:48:18 <|amethyst> hm, does a randart ring of slaying have plus == 0 ? 14:48:43 -!- Ketsaa has quit [Client Quit] 14:49:03 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49:12 |amethyst: it shouldn't. randart rings of other things (AC, EV) don't. 14:49:16 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:17 <|amethyst> looking at attack::calc_damage and if it doesn't it could be double-counted for monsters at least 14:49:27 <|amethyst> I figured it was zero 14:49:55 orc zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-11 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 14:49:55 <|amethyst> %??orc zombie 14:50:02 test with some debug prints? 14:50:14 PleasingFungus: FWIW, over my last 20 wins, of characters wearing enchantable body armour, 5/8 had max enchantment. MDA: 3/3, SwampDA: 1/1, StormDA: 1/1, SteamDA: 0/1, CPA: 0/1, FDA: 0/1. 14:50:20 <|amethyst> did you know that zombies reanimated with an rF artefact don't get rF 14:50:25 <|amethyst> likewise other resistances 14:50:34 <|amethyst> !source monster::res_fire 14:50:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l3911 14:50:38