00:02:17 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3536-g164200f (34)
00:08:53 <Sizzell> Hurricos (L27 DEFE) ASSERT(!actor_at(newpos)) in 'spl-tornado.cc' at line 428 failed. (Zig:12)
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01:26:40 <gammafunk> chequers: I think I see how we can get the stdout/stderror from our janitor commands
01:28:22 <gammafunk> chequers: we'll make those attributes instances of this class: http://tornado.readthedocs.org/en/latest/iostream.html#tornado.iostream.PipeIOStream using the special flag and just add a timeout like you see in status_file_timeout() in ws_handler.py
01:28:41 <gammafunk> which will look up some global hash of the running janitor commands
01:29:05 <gammafunk> then the exit callback will remove the janitor command from the dict in the subprocess exit callback
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01:30:46 <gammafunk> the timeout handler will just for the CrawlWebSocket.ioloop will just print the output it gets from the PipeIOStreams for stdout/stderr to the client
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01:38:13 <chequers> gammafunk: I think there's a simpler way
01:38:27 <chequers> specifically making stdout streaming and the read request a Future
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01:38:42 <chequers> it's just I really don't get tornado's implementation of async requests
01:39:19 <gammafunk> yeah maybe, but I suppose it's also an issue of what all versions of tornado support these features
01:39:29 <gammafunk> I don't actually know
01:40:10 <gammafunk> if we start using this, we'd have to check up on that and list these requirements
01:41:44 <gammafunk> I'm running 3.1.1
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01:45:30 <chequers> personally I'm happy to require anything older than what pip can install :)
01:49:38 <gammafunk> I guess that's true
01:49:56 <gammafunk> pip install crawl4.1
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03:58:31 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk CSZO and CAO both have 2.7 now; what benefit do we get besides dropping a sentence from the readme?
03:58:32 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
03:58:32 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
03:59:37 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus fixed
03:59:38 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know.
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04:05:15 <|amethyst> actually, you know what
04:05:38 <|amethyst> looking at these posts under #stopgamergate2015 I'm thinking about just taking down CSZO
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04:10:18 <twb> I'm about to go home, but I noticed a bug.  With language = dwarven, Ctrl+Q prompts for "aye" but actually checks for "yes".
04:10:27 <twb> byeeee
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04:18:43 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk re the commit, it seems kind of weird for session_info to do URL unescaping and token_login not to
04:18:44 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
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09:47:43 <Wensley> "relec now protects against lightning"
09:48:07 <Wensley> while you're at it, check to make sure that rf protects against fire
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10:06:15 <Lasty_> Sounds overpowered.
10:07:26 <Lasty_> |amethyst: as in, screw all gamers?
10:11:56 <Lasty_> |amethyst: or, put more clearly, what about the hashtag makes you want to take down CSZO?
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10:40:09 <Henzell> alpinistek (L27 NaIE) ASSERT(!actor_at(newpos)) in 'spl-tornado.cc' at line 428 failed. (Zig:5)
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10:46:07 <|amethyst> Lasty_:  the porn mostly
10:46:56 <wheals> good way to start a day on ##crawl-dev
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10:47:19 <kvaak> cszo has porn on it?
10:48:04 <|amethyst> it links to porn
10:48:18 <kvaak> can't you just remove the link?
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10:48:56 <|amethyst> I guess they win after all
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10:55:04 <|amethyst> I removed the link
10:55:17 <|amethyst> please tell me what else I can do to support ethics in gaming journalism
10:55:28 <|amethyst> do I need to dox some women perhaps?
10:55:52 <|amethyst> or perhaps make death threats
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10:57:25 <kvaak> have you tried burying your head in your hands and wondering what the fuck is wrong with people?
11:05:34 <wheals> don't you have the link on cszo about it?
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11:06:40 <|amethyst> it was pointed out that I was linking to an old tag... so I changed it to #stopgamergate2015 then #gamersagainstgamergate but of course both are full of porn
11:06:53 <wheals> huh
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11:14:05 <ontoclasm> |amethyst: theinternet.txt
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11:21:22 <PleasingFungus> hey. could be worse
11:21:37 <PleasingFungus> you could have put up the #2015 link (etc) *without* checking what was actually on it
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11:27:54 <dpeg> only solution: we have to drop tiles!
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11:53:11 <Lasty_> |amethyst, kvaak: <3
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11:56:20 <minmay> "Upon ending, suffer Exhaustion (invincibility effects ought not be spammable after all), but reappear silently a la Step From Time, so stealthy characters won't immediately be noticed. Invulnerability to all forms of damage (since there's nothing actually hit), but suffer as though tormented each time a wall is destroyed. If you already know Passwall, Meld only requires 6 spell slots."
11:56:41 <Lasty_> minmay: I'll get right on it
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12:03:45 <Lasty_> We should probably have an invincibility spell in every school . ..
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12:05:53 <wheals> finally, the high level poison spell everyone has been waiting for
12:06:06 <kvaak> blorp form
12:06:11 <kvaak> wait no that's tmut
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12:14:10 <Henzell> HarmlessChicken (L16 OpEE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster oklob sapling failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef))
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14:10:31 <Cheibriados> Identify that speed brand affects auxilliary attacks. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9385 by XuaXua
14:11:09 <kvaak> can we finally just detach aux attacks from attack speed
14:11:13 <kvaak> pretty please?
14:12:43 <Lasty_> kvaak: where were you when I was shopping that idea around a few months ago?
14:12:56 <kvaak> Lasty_: uh, i've been throwing that around since forever
14:13:03 <kvaak> !lg . vs won 2
14:13:04 <Sequell> 2/26. perunasaurus the Warrior (L26 VSTm of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-08-08 17:03:34, with 1912584 points after 50840 turns and 3:43:30.
14:13:08 <kvaak> or since ^ at the very least
14:13:25 <doy> are there actually arguments for why they should be linked?
14:13:33 <doy> or is it just an implementation thing?
14:13:45 <Lasty_> Actually, since then I've become convinced that it's probably not a great idea -- 1) it gets a bit weird, and 2) it makes fast weapons more like slow weapons
14:14:06 <Grunt> there's a tavern thread about this somewhere
14:14:08 <doy> how does it get a bit weird?
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14:14:13 <Lasty_> yeah, also started by XuaXua
14:14:15 <Grunt> doy: so what happens when I swing the dark maul at max delay
14:14:17 <kvaak> what does #2 even mean
14:14:22 <Grunt> do I get multiple aux attacks?
14:14:34 <Grunt> do I get one aux attack with a significantly higher chance?
14:14:37 <Grunt> do I ...?
14:14:50 <Grunt> (weird in that sense, basically)
14:14:53 <kvaak> you kick faster because you have a very small sword
14:14:54 <Grunt> let me find the thread
14:15:03 <Lasty_> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14690
14:15:07 <Grunt> thanks Lasty
14:16:48 <minmay> I think they're linked because it makes sense for a faster attack speed to mean that you attack faster
14:17:10 <Lasty_> I mean, the best version of it I've heard of is something like "for every aut you spend attacking, you have a 1/10 (or 1/5 or 1/7 or whatever) chance of attempting to trigger an aux attack", which means that sometimes you'll trigger more (even many more) aux attacks than now on a given attack. At 1/7 or higher, it's an unnecessary to aux attacks on fast weapons; at 1/10 or slower it's a nerf to aux attacks with pretty much all weapons . . .
14:18:39 <Lasty_> Plus, if I'm swinging say a min-delay scythe, what about that action makes it reasonable to kick something twice (or more) during the swing? It doesn't particularly seem more rational than status quo.
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14:19:13 <Lasty_> I'm sympathetic to both sides of this conversation, but right now I think status quo has the edge.
14:20:27 <Lasty_> Oh, and there's also things like Haste/Finesse: your rate of aux attacks wouldn't change if we divorce them from attack speed unless we special-case them and other things that affect attack speed to affect the chance of aux attacks triggering too . ..
14:21:33 <Grunt> ??grunt[SPECIAL
14:21:33 <Sequell> grunt[21/27]: <Grunt> HILARIOUSLY SPECIFIC SPECIAL CASES <Grunt> WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA
14:21:55 <Grunt> (not that these are *that* specific, but it still seemed apropos)
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14:23:35 <PleasingFungus> as usual, I agree with crate on this one
14:23:43 <Grunt> 1learn add PleasingFungus
14:23:51 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: I assume that's sarcastic?
14:23:55 <PleasingFungus> there's no good reason to decouple aux attacks from normal attacks, and plenty of good reasons not to.
14:23:56 <Grunt> or possibly 1learn add crate
14:23:57 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: not at all!
14:24:01 <Lasty_> oh
14:24:18 <Grunt> (I sense a Discussion coming on)
14:24:38 <doy> i wouldn't say there's "no" good reason, but yeah, it doesn't sound like it'd be a net positive
14:24:41 <Lasty_> Better send the kids to bed early  . . .
14:25:28 <PleasingFungus> re XX's ticket
14:25:52 <PleasingFungus> it seems like the right thing to do, rather than do something for weapons of speed specifically (??????)
14:26:16 <PleasingFungus> might be to mention somewhere that aux attacks have a trigger chance whenever you attack
14:26:19 <PleasingFungus> possibly in the manual
14:26:24 <PleasingFungus> if it's not there already
14:26:34 <PleasingFungus> this is the kind of thing that the manual is appropriate for, I think.
14:26:43 <doy> do people actually read the manual
14:26:52 <PleasingFungus> I have heard of people reading the manul
14:26:55 <PleasingFungus> or maybe it was person
14:27:03 <PleasingFungus> definitely at least one person.
14:27:07 <kvaak> no, but you can always tell them to RTFM when they wonder if they kick faster with a smaller sword
14:28:07 <gammafunk> or we could just tell them "yes"
14:28:25 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: was it that PleasingFungus person by any chance?
14:28:43 <PleasingFungus> no, actually
14:28:51 <Grunt> aw.
14:28:52 <Grunt> rip.
14:29:37 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:29:38 <Cheibriados> mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-24 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 18 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.

14:29:38 <PleasingFungus> %??mummy
14:29:42 <Cheibriados> Crazy Yiuf (02g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 20 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 9 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 41 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.

14:29:42 <PleasingFungus> %??crazy yiuf
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14:30:02 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: the chaos staff accounts for a lot of the dam output difference
14:30:42 <PleasingFungus> context was
14:30:43 <PleasingFungus> !bug 3448
14:30:43 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3448
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14:31:41 * Grunt removes PleasingFungus.
14:32:09 <PleasingFungus> nooo
14:32:33 <Grunt> !send beam.cc PleasingFungus
14:32:33 <Sequell> Sending PleasingFungus to beam.cc.
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14:33:49 <PleasingFungus> !banish Grunt
14:33:49 <Sequell> PleasingFungus casts a spell. Grunt is cast into Hell!
14:33:53 <PleasingFungus> same thing
14:34:01 * Grunt flattens Geryon like a pancake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:34:15 <PleasingFungus> poor geryon
14:34:25 <Grunt> !send PleasingFungus Geryon, the demonic pancake
14:34:25 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk ikiller=geryon s=xl
14:34:25 <Sequell> Sending Geryon, the demonic pancake to PleasingFungus.
14:34:25 <Sequell> 4 games for * (current trunk ikiller=geryon): 27, 19, 26, 20
14:34:31 <PleasingFungus> !
14:34:39 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk ikiller=geryon max=xl
14:34:39 <Sequell> 4. Sharkman1231 the Ninja (L27 SpEn of Kikubaaqudgha), mangled by Geryon in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_mu) on 2014-08-15 05:45:52, with 953859 points after 134956 turns and 7:07:14.
14:34:41 <theTower> !lg * current trunk ikiller=murray
14:34:41 <Sequell> 1. JJLee the End of an Era (L27 DsFi of Qazlal), slain by a phantasmal warrior (summoned by Murray) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_mu) on 2014-12-31 19:55:25, with 645494 points after 59979 turns and 5:39:20.
14:34:44 <PleasingFungus> MANGLED
14:34:53 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk ikiller=tiamat
14:34:54 <Sequell> 2. Freohr the Skullcrusher (L27 OgBe of Trog), slain by Tiamat (a +1 demon trident of draining) on Zot:3 on 2014-11-16 17:05:58, with 592817 points after 59718 turns and 6:15:41.
14:35:04 <PleasingFungus> !lg * current trunk ikiller=ignacio
14:35:04 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=Murray
14:35:04 <Sequell> 1. Sar the Schismatic (L27 FoAK of Lugonu), slain by Ignacio (a +2 executioner's axe of pain) in Pandemonium on 2014-12-10 16:07:49, with 821086 points after 111162 turns and 5:51:23.
14:35:05 <Sequell> 1. Ghoradinn the Ninja (L23 VSEn of Okawaru), slain by Murray in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_mu) on 2014-05-30 17:58:57, with 387970 points after 54802 turns and 8:28:41.
14:35:36 <gammafunk> !lg purplered ikiller=ignacio
14:35:36 <PleasingFungus> hell is the best branch name
14:35:37 <Sequell> 1. PurpleRed the Devastator (L25 TeCj of Vehumet), demolished by Ignacio (a +5,+5 executioner's axe of pain) in Pandemonium on 2014-01-12 01:31:18, with 668665 points after 32798 turns and 14:38:39.
14:35:49 <Grunt> !send Pan PleasingFungus
14:35:49 <Sequell> Sending PleasingFungus to Pan.
14:35:57 <PleasingFungus> nah
14:36:07 <PleasingFungus> it's a pity people only spend about five seconds there
14:36:09 <PleasingFungus> it's a cool place to die
14:36:11 <PleasingFungus> (hell)
14:36:36 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: imo go to hell then
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14:37:04 <Grunt> (I never get tired of that one)
14:37:20 <PleasingFungus> :(
14:37:23 <PleasingFungus> rip
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14:37:32 <Grunt> dang. rip.
14:37:53 <MarvinPA> wow what, an actual murray kill happened
14:37:59 <Grunt> yes
14:38:10 <MarvinPA> and it wasn't deliberate???
14:38:11 <Grunt> most people didn't notice then :(
14:38:15 <Grunt> it was not deliberate!
14:38:20 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=murray -tv
14:38:20 <MarvinPA> beautiful
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14:38:20 <Sequell> 1. Ghoradinn, XL23 VSEn, T:54802 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:39:54 <Grunt> it feels weird to see +9,+8 now
14:40:41 <Lasty_> A VSEn, too. How does that even happen?
14:42:00 <MarvinPA> oops i missed it
14:42:01 <MarvinPA> !lg * ckiller=murray -tv
14:42:01 <Sequell> 1. Ghoradinn, XL23 VSEn, T:54802 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:42:32 <MarvinPA> !lg * ckiller=murray -tv:cancel
14:42:33 <Sequell> 1. Ghoradinn, XL23 VSEn, T:54802 cancel requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:42:37 <MarvinPA> !lg * ckiller=murray -tv:<0.5
14:42:38 <Sequell> 1. Ghoradinn, XL23 VSEn, T:54802 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:44:18 <MarvinPA> amazing, good lorocyproca contribution there too
14:44:29 <Grunt> yes
14:45:10 <doy> !lg * current trunk ckiller=lorocyproca
14:45:11 <Sequell> 24. OzzY the Devastator (L17 HEWz of Vehumet), mangled by a Lorocyproca on Abyss:5 on 2015-01-06 13:05:42, with 151277 points after 52663 turns and 3:00:21.
14:45:28 <doy> hmmm
14:45:33 <doy> why is Lorocyproca capitalized
14:45:42 <Grunt> doy: historical reasons
14:45:45 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=angel
14:45:46 <doy> i thought we uncapitalized all of the demons though
14:45:46 <Sequell> 418. crawlian the Devastator (L15 DEFE of Vehumet), mangled by an angel (a +3 sacred scourge of holy wrath) on Abyss:1 on 2015-01-01 15:21:51, with 114623 points after 12684 turns and 2:46:09.
14:45:48 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=balrug
14:45:48 <Sequell> 1415. FrodoTBaggins the Ducker (L1 SpAK of Lugonu), blasted by a Balrug (divine providence) on Abyss:1 on 2015-01-07 17:40:50, with 0 points after 74 turns and 0:00:41.
14:45:56 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=cacodemon
14:45:57 <Sequell> 363. FrodoTBaggins the Ducker (L1 SpAK of Lugonu), blown up by a Cacodemon on Abyss:1 on 2015-01-07 17:34:55, with 0 points after 103 turns and 0:00:40.
14:45:58 <doy> !lg * ckiller=green_death
14:45:59 <Sequell> 678. Saganatra the Fencer (L15 DsBe of Trog), blasted by a Green Death (poison arrow) in WizLab (wizlab_demon) on 2015-01-03 09:18:31, with 90561 points after 35847 turns and 2:24:11.
14:46:08 <doy> just in game, i guess?
14:46:10 <doy> that's a bit odd
14:46:15 <Grunt> doy: yeah, it's a Sequell thing
14:46:18 <Grunt> idk the details
14:46:28 <gammafunk> o
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14:51:02 <|amethyst> I suspect it canonicalises the name in the message based on the first milestone with that monster?
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14:51:45 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=green_death x=ckiller 1
14:51:45 <Sequell> 1/678. [ckiller=a Green Death] mr0t the Geomancer (L9 SEEE of Vehumet), mangled by a Green Death in the Abyss on 2007-02-24 11:12:32, with 3146 points after 9713 turns and 2:36:53.
14:51:50 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=lorocyproca x=ckiller 1
14:51:51 <Sequell> 1/527. [ckiller=a Lorocyproca] jmr the Scorcher (L21 SEFE of Vehumet), slain by a Lorocyproca in the Abyss on 2007-02-02 05:08:38, with 301936 points after 68110 turns and 17:07:45.
14:51:56 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=tormentor x=ckiller 1
14:51:57 <Sequell> 1/202. [ckiller=a tormentor] toft the Footpad (L3 MuAs), slain by a tormentor in the Abyss on 2007-03-08 04:57:36, with 162 points after 2120 turns and 0:09:36.
14:52:09 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=lorocyproca x=ckiller
14:52:10 <Sequell> 527. [ckiller=a lorocyproca] OzzY the Devastator (L17 HEWz of Vehumet), mangled by a Lorocyproca on Abyss:5 on 2015-01-06 13:05:42, with 151277 points after 52663 turns and 3:00:21.
14:52:14 <Grunt> mm
14:53:11 <|amethyst> .echo $(!lg * ckiller=lorocyproca -1)
14:53:12 <Sequell> 527. :id=3895970:offset=210868808:game_key=OzzY::cao::20150006093302S:file=remote.cao-logfile-git:alpha=true:src=cao:explbr=:v=0.16.0-a0:cv=0.16-a:vlong=0.16-a0-3499-gfbbdc41:lv=0.1:sc=151277:name=OzzY:race=High Elf:crace=High Elf:cls=Wizard:char=HEWz:xl=17:sk=Conjurations:sklev=19:title=Devastator:ktyp=mon:killer=a lorocyproca:ckiller=a lorocyproca:ikiller=a lorocyproca:cikiller=a lorocyproca:kpa...
14:53:17 <|amethyst> .echo $(!lg * ckiller=lorocyproca 1)
14:53:17 <Sequell> 1/527. :id=8435:offset=2815517:game_key=jmr::cao::20070031175306S:file=remote.cao-logfile-any:alpha=false:src=cao:explbr=:v=0.1.7:cv=0.1:vlong=:lv=0.1:sc=301936:name=jmr:race=Sludge Elf:crace=Sludge Elf:cls=Fire Elementalist:char=SEFE:xl=21:sk=Fire Magic:sklev=17:title=Scorcher:ktyp=mon:killer=a Lorocyproca:ckiller=a Lorocyproca:ikiller=a Lorocyproca:cikiller=a Lorocyproca:kpath=:kmod=:kaux=:ckaux...
14:53:37 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=daeva
14:53:37 <Sequell> 396. binmo the Skirmisher (L1 VSAK of Lugonu), mangled by a daeva (a +3 scimitar of holy wrath) on Abyss:1 on 2015-01-04 14:24:52, with 0 points after 222 turns and 0:03:45.
14:53:39 <Grunt> hm
14:53:41 <|amethyst> hmm
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14:54:51 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=lorocyproca x=tmsg,vmsg,ckiller
14:54:52 <Sequell> 527. [tmsg=slain by a Lorocyproca;vmsg=mangled by a Lorocyproca;ckiller=a lorocyproca] OzzY the Devastator (L17 HEWz of Vehumet), mangled by a Lorocyproca on Abyss:5 on 2015-01-06 13:05:42, with 151277 points after 52663 turns and 3:00:21.
14:55:00 <|amethyst> odd
14:55:09 <Grunt> ?
14:55:09 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=lorocyproca x=tmsg,vmsg,ckiller,src
14:55:10 <Sequell> 527. [tmsg=slain by a Lorocyproca;vmsg=mangled by a Lorocyproca;ckiller=a lorocyproca;src=cao] OzzY the Devastator (L17 HEWz of Vehumet), mangled by a Lorocyproca on Abyss:5 on 2015-01-06 13:05:42, with 151277 points after 52663 turns and 3:00:21.
14:55:14 <Grunt> .
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14:56:05 <|amethyst> the milestone on CAO has lowercase in the tmsg and the vmsg
14:56:18 <|amethyst> so I guess those two are being canonicalised
14:56:35 <|amethyst> oh, I guess maybe to reduce repetition of long messages in the db
14:57:02 <|amethyst> s/canonicalised/interned/
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15:03:58 <halberd> I'm getting strange results from fsim in 15.2, it's giving me avDam and avEffDam of 0.0 against a dire elephant, defending
15:04:07 <halberd> this is with AC 1 ev 33 sh 18
15:04:50 <halberd> when I create an actual dire elephant and fight it with those defenses it is able to hit me
15:04:53 <halberd> so it's not like it never hits
15:06:22 <halberd> should I report a bug?
15:06:56 <|amethyst> wouldn't hurt to do so
15:07:10 <|amethyst> I bet if you do the same thing standing against a wall you'll get real numbers
15:07:41 <halberd> this was &f fsim that gives 0.0
15:07:46 <halberd> &F fsim seems to be breaking altogether
15:07:50 <|amethyst> (well, at certain positions against the wall)
15:07:57 <|amethyst> it's because of trample
15:07:58 <halberd> oh ok
15:08:09 <halberd> thanks
15:11:52 * Grunt tramples you! You hold your ground!
15:12:05 <Grunt> |amethyst: if it's a trample issue, just stop trample knockback if simu :)
15:12:12 <|amethyst> oh
15:12:16 <|amethyst> I was going to do something else
15:12:27 <Grunt> Oh?
15:12:38 <|amethyst> we already reset the monster's position after every attack
15:12:41 <doy> making it not depend on monster position would be better
15:12:42 <|amethyst> should do the player too
15:12:44 <doy> yeah
15:12:49 <Grunt> possibly do both
15:12:55 <Grunt> v0v
15:13:01 <doy> trample isn't the only attack that repositions the player
15:13:05 <Grunt> mm
15:13:31 <|amethyst> also, I'm not sure about things like wisp form and teleportitis
15:13:44 <|amethyst> I guess time doesn't increment so those might not be an issue
15:13:45 <Grunt> hm
15:13:47 <Grunt> what happens with
15:13:49 <Grunt> AF_DISTORT
15:14:02 <Grunt> that could be quite the reposition.....
15:14:04 <gammafunk> what about AF_RECURSE
15:14:22 <halberd> does fight have them cast spells too or is it just melee?
15:14:23 <Grunt> AF_INFINITE_LOOP
15:14:25 <Grunt> AF_SEGFAULT
15:14:42 <Grunt> actually I guess that would be AF_SIGSEGV
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15:15:24 <|amethyst> halberd:  melee or ranged attack for the player, melee only for monsters
15:15:26 <|amethyst> no spells
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15:17:23 <|amethyst> Grunt:  distortion doesn't seem to act funny, but whoo boy chaos gives you all the status lights
15:17:35 <Grunt> |amethyst: mmmmmmmm
15:17:44 <|amethyst> Very Full Berserk Fast+Slow Pois Bat Fly Contam Drain Invis
15:17:54 <Grunt> raging bat!
15:17:57 <|amethyst> pois contam drain are dark red :)
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15:19:55 <|amethyst> halberd:  were you writing that mantis report?  If you haven't started yet don't worry about it?
15:19:59 <|amethyst> s/it?/it/
15:20:47 <halberd> ok i won't
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15:22:41 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3537-g31a5e93: Fix fight sim against tramplers (halberd) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31a5e93d1f17
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15:27:43 <|amethyst> oh, huh
15:27:52 <|amethyst> well, expected I guess
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15:28:11 <|amethyst> if you fsim with an axe while standing next to non-fsim monsters, they will die
15:29:14 <|amethyst> I imagine the same thing happens with ranged if there's a monster behind the fsim opponent
15:30:18 <|amethyst> I was able to reproduce #9087 (blank line sometimes for &f with an axe), but only once
15:31:38 <|amethyst> oh, uhh
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15:34:39 <|amethyst> the only way it could print a blank line like that "Attacking:\n" is if _fight_string returns an empty string
15:34:42 <|amethyst> which it cannot
15:34:43 <|amethyst> except...
15:35:14 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3538-ge4e23bb: Don't return a dangling pointer in fsim (#9087) 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4e23bbb8195
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15:38:07 <halberd> is there a way to invoke fsim programmatically?
15:39:28 <PleasingFungus> you can provide arbitrary inputs through lua, so, in a sense
15:39:43 <halberd> and what about collecting outputs
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15:40:10 <|amethyst> halberd:  they get written to fsim.txt
15:40:21 <|amethyst> I don't know if there's a way to collect them within crawl though
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15:41:03 <|amethyst> oh
15:41:11 <|amethyst> I guess it's only &F that gets saved to a file, not &f
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15:44:15 <|amethyst> halberd:   crawl.messages(N)  in clua gives you the last N lines of messages
15:44:36 <halberd> well I'm more thinking about getting the data outside of crawl
15:44:38 <|amethyst> (as one string I believe)
15:44:48 <halberd> to make some plots
15:45:16 <|amethyst> ah, then &F or &^f and the text file should do it
15:45:18 <|amethyst> also
15:45:38 <|amethyst> you can set   fsim_csv = true   to make the output CSV-formatted rather than the formatted table
15:45:38 <halberd> &^f doesn't work
15:45:57 <halberd> &^ is to set piety
15:46:11 <|amethyst> sorry, that was an abbreviation for ctrl-f
15:46:27 <|amethyst> that one is really really slow though
15:47:07 <|amethyst> since it does something like 196 fsims
15:47:18 <halberd> &F is slow as well
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15:47:31 <halberd> where is fsim.txt located?
15:47:46 <halberd> it's not in my ~/.crawl
15:47:46 <|amethyst> current directory I believe
15:47:51 <|amethyst> wherever you ran crawl from
15:47:52 <|amethyst> so maybe ~
15:48:46 <|amethyst> &F does 27 fsims, &<ctrl-f> 196, so there's slow and there's SLOW
15:48:48 <|amethyst> :)
15:49:09 <Grunt> !send Cheibriados fsim
15:49:09 <Sequell> Sending fsim to Cheibriados.
15:49:14 <magicpoints> I found a typo. The description for Sentinel's Mark has the word "same" doubled.
15:49:27 <|amethyst> &<ctrl-f> doesn't seem to output all its data either---just the aveffdam it looks like?
15:50:31 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3539-g39bb01f: Fix a typo (magicpoints) 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39bb01f7a3e6
15:51:10 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: ...you fixed it so fast that it was fixed before I could look it up in the repo
15:51:20 <PleasingFungus> I was wondering, "wait, what? I only see one 'same'!"
15:51:23 <|amethyst> heh
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15:52:20 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "executioner colour:magenta"

15:52:20 <|amethyst> %?? executioner name:hasted_typo n_adj colour:magenta
15:52:24 <Cheibriados> hasted typo Executioner (061) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 53-81 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2200 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high.

15:52:24 <|amethyst> %?? executioner name:hasted_typo n_adj col:magenta
15:52:31 <Grunt> !
15:53:27 <PleasingFungus> %git 164200f
15:53:27 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3536-g164200f: The player is not the real monster 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=164200f449be
15:53:30 <PleasingFungus> %git
15:53:30 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3539-g39bb01f: Fix a typo (magicpoints) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39bb01f7a3e6
15:53:33 <PleasingFungus> hrm
15:53:48 <|amethyst> draining no longer reduces mhp, right?
15:53:53 <PleasingFungus> ya
15:54:01 <|amethyst> so #8324 is "fixed"?
15:54:05 <|amethyst> !bug 8324
15:54:05 <Sequell> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324
15:54:37 <|amethyst> There is still plenty of weirdness, like the effect not wearing off and therefore making trials after the first use the wrong skills
15:55:11 <PleasingFungus> hrm
15:55:16 <PleasingFungus> apparently I turned all decks into ?s
15:55:27 <PleasingFungus> like, a picture of a question mark
15:55:40 <|amethyst> that's the tile for "no tile"
15:55:45 <|amethyst> or "no tile defined"
15:55:46 <PleasingFungus> ya I know
15:55:53 <PleasingFungus> I tried to fix deck tiles
15:55:57 <PleasingFungus> but I seem to have done the opposite
15:55:59 <PleasingFungus> which is weird
15:56:11 <PleasingFungus> anyway yeah 8324 should be obsolete
16:06:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  looks like only unided decks
16:07:16 <PleasingFungus> hm
16:07:27 <PleasingFungus> !source tilepick.cc
16:07:27 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc;hb=HEAD
16:08:29 <PleasingFungus> oh
16:09:04 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: I have a fix, but won't be able to implement it for a few hours; do you want to deploy it?
16:10:09 <|amethyst> sure, what is it?
16:10:46 <PleasingFungus> is_deck_type (in decks.cc) should return true for MISC_DECK_UNKNOWN
16:11:49 <PleasingFungus> that might have exciting side-effects elsewhere, though it shouldn't. life is an adventure
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16:15:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  hm, I'm going to try to be a little more careful :)
16:15:46 <PleasingFungus> morally, MISC_DECK_UNKNOWN probably should be a deck
16:16:01 <PleasingFungus> but it's possible that some code somewhere assumes it's not
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16:27:50 <Lasty> what's the best way to pop a random item from a vector in c++?
16:27:50 <Sequell> Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:28:57 <link_108> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/35440/ has a solution for ints
16:29:10 <PleasingFungus> probably: choose a random index into the vector, copy the value, then use the remove idiom
16:29:12 <link_108> I'm guessing similar for other objects
16:29:19 <PleasingFungus> the remove idiom is preposterously verbose
16:29:28 <Lasty> vector.remove(i)?
16:29:35 <Lasty> ah, prob not then
16:30:20 <|amethyst> you wouldn't want remove
16:30:25 <|amethyst> that would search the list for the item
16:30:56 <PleasingFungus> yeah, apparently you want foo.erase(foo.begin() + n). I feel like you also need another line after that
16:30:59 <PleasingFungus> but I might be misremembering
16:31:01 <PleasingFungus> this is per http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/vector/vector/erase/
16:31:05 <|amethyst> in crawl: vec.erase(random_iterator(vec));
16:31:26 <PleasingFungus> !
16:31:39 <PleasingFungus> does that also get you the value of the erased element, thoug?
16:31:42 <PleasingFungus> h
16:31:44 <|amethyst> no
16:31:45 <Lasty> |amethyst: wouldn't that just erase a random element w/o gving access to the  . . .
16:31:47 <|amethyst> but neither does pop
16:31:47 <Lasty> ^
16:32:06 <PleasingFungus> uh. depends on the language, surely
16:32:06 <Lasty> pop does in a lot of laguages
16:32:22 <|amethyst> oh, I was thinking C++ pop/pop_back/pop_front
16:32:30 <PleasingFungus> I was thinking of python
16:32:34 <gammafunk> thinking c++?!?!
16:32:34 <PleasingFungus> but I'm always thinking of python
16:32:36 <|amethyst> auto it = random_iterator(vec); auto thing = *it; vec.erase(it);
16:32:52 <PleasingFungus> erase(it) has a pleasing sound
16:32:58 <|amethyst> do you need to preserve order of the following items?
16:32:58 <Lasty> lemme give more context: I want to pull an artp_ out of a vector of them, then remove that value from the list.
16:32:59 <gammafunk> nuke(it)
16:33:14 <gammafunk> nuke(it, from_orbit=true)
16:33:16 <PleasingFungus> Lasty: are you going to do be doing this repeatedly (per vector), or only once?
16:33:28 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: repeatedly
16:33:40 <|amethyst> shuffle once then go through it in order
16:33:45 <PleasingFungus> ^
16:33:47 <link_108> ^^
16:33:50 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: I so wish this was Python
16:33:50 <PleasingFungus> ^^^
16:33:55 <PleasingFungus> :)
16:34:03 <gammafunk> python??
16:34:05 <PleasingFungus> but c++ doesn't make it *that* much harder to express
16:34:06 <gammafunk> rip
16:34:12 <|amethyst> (in order, or with repeated auto thing = vec.back(); vec.pop_back(); )
16:34:17 <link_108> really like that amethyst haha, didnt come to me at all
16:34:27 <PleasingFungus> and you get compile-time guarantees (a little bit of type safety)
16:34:58 <|amethyst> Python is more type-safe than C++ in a lot of ways
16:35:04 <|amethyst> not at compile time though
16:36:01 <Lasty> so something like vector.shuffle(); for (int i = 0; i < vector.size(); ++i) { vector.empty(i)} ?
16:36:42 <Lasty> oh, shuffle_array()?
16:36:49 <|amethyst> yeah, shuffle_array
16:36:55 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure what you're doing in the loop
16:37:18 <Lasty> well, other stuff too, but at one point deleting the index in the loop
16:37:30 <|amethyst> do you actually need to delete it?
16:37:37 <Lasty> er, I suppose not
16:37:41 <Lasty> now that you mention it
16:37:42 <Lasty> durrr
16:37:45 <Lasty> thanks
16:37:48 <|amethyst> I would however do
16:38:21 <|amethyst> for (artefact_prop_type p : vector)
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16:38:28 <|amethyst> then you can just say p instead of vector[i]
16:38:44 <Lasty> neat
16:39:03 <Lasty> is that effectively the c++ foreach syntax?
16:39:06 <|amethyst> yeah
16:39:46 <|amethyst> it's the by value version (it copies the item from the container, but for artefact_prop_type that's no problem because it's smaller than a pointer)
16:39:57 <Lasty> ah
16:40:04 <|amethyst> if you needed to modify the properties in the vector you'd use  artefact_prop_type &p
16:40:23 <|amethyst> or if you didn't need to modify but it was big enough you didn't want to copy,  const artefact_prop_type &p
16:40:49 <|amethyst> (it = an individual item, not necessarily the container as a whole)
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16:45:12 <Lasty> !source array_shuffle
16:45:15 <Sequell> Couldn't find array_shuffle in the Crawl source tree
16:45:30 <Lasty> er
16:45:35 <Lasty> right
16:46:14 <Lasty> woo, compiling.
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16:51:31 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3540-gcd4db26: Give unIDed decks the right tile (PleasingFungus) 10(9 minutes ago, 5 files, 12+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd4db2646642
16:52:52 <PleasingFungus> ...huh, I had no idea item_def::is_type was a thing
16:53:02 <|amethyst> I added it not very long ago
16:53:05 <PleasingFungus> o
16:53:07 <PleasingFungus> that would do it
16:53:43 <PleasingFungus> I bet there's some language where you can put type constraints on a second argument based on the value of the first
16:53:47 <PleasingFungus> that would be crazy
16:54:03 <PleasingFungus> hm. actually I'm gonna replace "bet" with "wonder if" there
16:54:25 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_type
16:54:35 <|amethyst> C++ templates are like that
16:54:44 <|amethyst> well
16:54:59 <|amethyst> sort of
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16:55:31 <PleasingFungus> I was wondering about templates
16:55:33 <PleasingFungus> but templates scare me
16:56:11 <PleasingFungus> "hence type checking may become undecidable." <- this is what made me uncertain
16:56:15 <PleasingFungus> but I guess that's templates
16:56:29 <|amethyst> templates are turing-complete, yes
16:56:39 <|amethyst> wll
16:56:54 <PleasingFungus> I have heard of... none of the languages mentioned in this table
16:56:56 <|amethyst> except that pretty much every compiler has a max nesting depth
16:57:06 <|amethyst> Not even Coq?
16:57:16 <PleasingFungus> never heard of it
16:57:16 <|amethyst> that's the only one I've heard of
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16:57:19 <|amethyst> well, Sage I guess
16:57:32 <|amethyst> Coq is a proof assistant
16:57:41 <PleasingFungus> agda sounds vaguely familiar, but I might be imagining it
16:57:52 <PleasingFungus> certainly I've never touched that either
16:59:05 <|amethyst> %git b858c62
16:59:06 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3233-gb858c62: Add and use a function for item type checks. 10(3 weeks ago, 44 files, 133+ 217-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b858c621a382
16:59:06 <geekosaur> agda can probably do it. that said, agda can't really *run* real world stuff; typically you build your pure code in agda with dependent type checking, then have it generate haskell code to which you add the IO parts
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17:01:25 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: ah
17:01:29 <PleasingFungus> that is recent, yeah
17:01:55 <PleasingFungus> were you around when ebering was asking about enum/flag style, the other day
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17:04:02 <|amethyst> I don't think so
17:05:36 <PleasingFungus> he was a little perplexed by enum_bitfield, iirc, since there was only one thing that used it
17:05:37 <PleasingFungus> :)
17:06:30 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3540-gcd4db26 (34)
17:07:08 <|amethyst> there are three now :)
17:07:32 <Grunt> (a fourth if I ever remember what I was doing with AF_)
17:08:29 * Grunt dices the ogre like an onion from afar with a +9 bardiche of flaming!!!!
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17:09:47 <gammafunk> hopefully I can figure out this fancy futures/coroutine stuff
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17:10:38 <travis-ci> The build was broken. (master - e4e23bb #1457 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46371448
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17:10:43 <Grunt> oh no, rip
17:10:47 <gammafunk> that way chequers and I can usher in a brave new world, filled with janitors
17:10:58 <Grunt> sounds like a chequered future
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17:20:30 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "unsen horror"

17:20:30 <PleasingFungus> %??unsen horror
17:20:33 <PleasingFungus> ugh
17:20:36 <Cheibriados> unseen horror (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 723 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal.

17:20:36 <PleasingFungus> %??unseen horror
17:20:39 <Cheibriados> thrashing horror (08X) | Spd: 25 | HD: 9 | HP: 37-62 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1707(trample), 907(trample) | 11non-living, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 837 | Sp: might [11!AM, 06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Big | Int: animal.

17:20:39 <PleasingFungus> %??thrashing horror
17:20:54 <Cheibriados> death scarab (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 8 | HP: 21-37 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 755 | Sz: little | Int: insect.

17:20:54 <PleasingFungus> %??death scarab
17:21:26 <Grunt> huh.
17:21:29 <PleasingFungus> I always forget that thrashing horrors can open doors
17:21:32 <PleasingFungus> ps why can they open doors
17:21:40 <doy> haha
17:21:40 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: clearly they should be breaking doors instead
17:21:51 <Grunt> trample the door down, see
17:21:54 <Grunt> makes perfect sense
17:22:06 <Cheibriados> Weird character placement of shiled 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9386 by EugeneJudo
17:22:13 <PleasingFungus> at that point, why not just let all tramplers break doors
17:22:20 <doy> why not indeed
17:22:20 <PleasingFungus> so much xtahua hate...
17:22:43 <Grunt> !send XTAHUA PleasingFungus
17:22:43 <Sequell> Sending PleasingFungus to XTAHUA.
17:22:46 <doy> (i'd be in favor of removing doors from thrashing horrors)
17:22:58 <PleasingFungus> oh, 9386 seems like the weird sprite offset issue we were talking about, |amethyst
17:23:06 <PleasingFungus> check out how it only affects that one tile
17:23:14 <PleasingFungus> bet it doesn't work after the reporter saves & reloads
17:23:16 <doy> does it really make sense for any animal intelligence monsters to be able to open doors?
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17:24:54 <chequers> gammafunk: do you really think seeing process output is critical?
17:25:00 <gammafunk> yes
17:25:09 <chequers> I mean, your rebuild script could write to a log file in the static dir if you really need it
17:25:18 <PleasingFungus> doy: probably not
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17:25:47 <PleasingFungus> thouuuuugh
17:25:49 <PleasingFungus> http://i.imgur.com/t3RYhmS.gif
17:25:51 <chequers> well, maybe we can land janitor feature without command execution, so at least serving save files works. If you get bogged down, I mean
17:26:00 <PleasingFungus> I should find the video version of that again, it makes the most remarkable noise as it lands
17:26:09 <gammafunk> chequers: if you have something like a janitor command that does some thing and fails, you kind of want to see why that is
17:26:10 <doy> ugly things, worldbinders, shadows, thrashing horrors, chaos spawn
17:26:21 <doy> plus all of the golems are I_PLANT, but they are probably fine
17:26:28 <gammafunk> chequers: well we have that functionality now, I don't think getting this to work will bog us down
17:26:52 <gammafunk> |amethyst has a rebuild script and devs can get saves, etc
17:27:04 <doy> chaos spawns are odd at animal intelligence - i'm not sure any other numbered demons are?
17:27:11 <gammafunk> so it's ok if we roll it out when it's more reasonablly functional
17:27:23 <chequers> that works
17:27:40 <chequers> I'll not be around much the next two weeks btw, so no rush :)
17:28:03 <gammafunk> heh, well I'm interested and working on it now, so it'll probably be working pretty soon
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17:28:23 <doy> yeah, chaos spawns are the only numbered demon that isn't at least normal intelligence
17:28:24 <gammafunk> chequers: if you can push your rebased commits before you go on haitus though, that'd be good
17:28:37 <gammafunk> that way I'm not merging stale commits of yours
17:28:46 <gammafunk> stale, smelly, gross commits
17:28:53 <Grunt> harsh.'
17:28:55 <doy> i think bumping chaos spawns up to normal intelligence and removing doors from thrashing horrors and worldbinders would be reasonable
17:29:02 <doy> not sure how i feel about ugly things and shadows
17:29:31 <Grunt> idk, chaos spawns are kind of... raw chaos given just enough form to be able to hurt things.
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17:30:32 <gammafunk> rip summon ugly things being the spell of open doors in vaults and nearly getting me killed
17:31:20 <PleasingFungus> doy: I like ugly things being animal intelligence
17:31:26 <PleasingFungus> there's a comment about how they can't actually form speech
17:31:35 <PleasingFungus> they can make any other weird noise but they can't speak
17:31:41 <doy> yeah, they should stay animal intelligence
17:31:43 * Grunt gurgles horribly!
17:31:44 <PleasingFungus> er
17:31:46 <PleasingFungus> not ugly things
17:31:48 <PleasingFungus> chaos spawn
17:31:53 <doy> ah, okay
17:31:53 <PleasingFungus> was thinking about two things at once
17:32:00 <Grunt> very chaotic things
17:32:41 <PleasingFungus> something along the lines of what grunt was saying a moment ago (missed that somehow)
17:33:00 <Grunt> dang.
17:33:05 * Grunt flickers and vanishes!
17:33:07 <doy> i wonder if they should be on v or something instead of 3
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17:34:19 <doy> all of the other animal intelligence demons are on letters rather than numbers
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17:34:48 * Grunt gives a hideous shriek!
17:36:44 <Cheibriados> hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 7 | HP: 40-96 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 617 | Sz: Large | Int: normal.

17:36:44 <PleasingFungus> %??hell beast
17:36:47 <PleasingFungus> huh
17:36:53 <PleasingFungus> ...why are they int normal
17:36:58 <Cheibriados> Could not execute monster-0.8: No such file or directory
17:36:58 <PleasingFungus> %0.8?beast
17:37:04 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "beast"

17:37:04 <PleasingFungus> %0.9?beast
17:37:07 <Cheibriados> hell beast (072) | Speed: 10-17 | HD: 7 | Health: 39-98 | AC/EV: 4/9 | Damage: 28, 20 | Flags: 05demonic, fighter, master archer | Res: 06magic(28), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 287.

17:37:07 <PleasingFungus> %0.9?hell beast
17:37:12 <PleasingFungus> eh
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17:38:41 <|amethyst> they were I_NORMAL in initial revision
17:38:51 <PleasingFungus> huh
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18:03:05 <chequers> gammafunk: oh yeah! pushed
18:03:12 <gammafunk> chequers: thanks!
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18:04:42 <chequers> interesting changes: i didn't s/admins/owners this time around, and I split out some smaller pieces from the big commit
18:05:34 <gammafunk> yeah, that'll help when reading it to make sure I haven't messed anything up
18:06:27 <chequers> btw, is there an official crawl repo on github?
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18:06:56 <|amethyst> sort of
18:07:03 <gammafunk> I don't think so, but there was vague talk of a switch recently; I think for the time being gitorious is the only official repo. There is an official clone that travis uses
18:07:13 <|amethyst> yeah, the one travis uses
18:07:33 <|amethyst> https://github.com/crawl-ref/crawl-ref
18:07:58 <chequers> that stays updated in sync?
18:08:23 <chequers> PleasingFungus: hey, I went through your orc ending in my game btw! it's nice
18:08:40 <gammafunk> yeah it should be in sync for sure
18:08:43 <chequers> the narrow corridors are quite annoying for managing summons though
18:08:53 <PleasingFungus> :)
18:08:57 <PleasingFungus> hm
18:09:05 <PleasingFungus> !lg * kmap~~pf_
18:09:05 <Sequell> 8. osklington the Whirler (L13 HaHu of Okawaru), mangled by an eight-headed hydra (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:5 on 2014-11-24 01:31:32, with 24796 points after 19301 turns and 3:49:56.
18:09:10 <PleasingFungus> !lg * map~~pf_
18:09:10 <Sequell> 27. huitlacoche the Shield-Bearer (L6 MiFi of Cheibriados), splashed with acid in the Temple (pf_slime_end_temple) on 2014-12-29 01:24:02, with 376 points after 3282 turns and 0:22:58.
18:09:19 <PleasingFungus> wtf @ those people
18:09:42 <gammafunk> ug, that vault name
18:09:48 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: ?
18:10:05 <PleasingFungus> hm, I wonder if some kind of floor colouring needs to be enabled for slime temple
18:10:09 <gammafunk> !vault pf_slime_end_temple
18:10:09 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l3354
18:10:35 <chequers> !lm . kmap~~pf_
18:10:35 <Sequell> No milestones for chequers (kmap~~pf_).
18:10:36 <|amethyst> hm
18:10:49 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: should be temple_slime_end?
18:10:52 <|amethyst> if I'm reading this correctly, Xom doesn't do air miscasts
18:11:05 <gammafunk> yeah I'd like to see that as a kind of "standard" but looking at the other vaults...
18:11:10 <gammafunk> author_branch_name
18:11:10 <PleasingFungus> chequers: map/kmap aren't lm fields
18:11:43 <PleasingFungus> it seems like most of the temple vaults use something similar to what I did
18:11:54 <PleasingFungus> er
18:11:57 <PleasingFungus> idk. many of them
18:12:12 <chequers> yeah, aw
18:12:13 <PleasingFungus> right, I was going to check something
18:12:15 <gammafunk> not much that can be done anyhow, since renaming maps messes up lg queries
18:12:29 <PleasingFungus> well, there haven't been any kills in it yet
18:12:30 <PleasingFungus> apparently
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18:15:01 <chequers> hey, how can I see the protocol crawl communicates with the webtiles server?
18:15:31 <gammafunk> tileweb.cc
18:16:09 <gammafunk> the protocal is json, in case you weren't aware
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18:16:17 <gammafunk> just json over a websocket
18:16:20 <chequers> I wasn't, thanks
18:16:46 <|amethyst> in chromium at least, and probably other browsers, you can snoop the socket
18:17:18 <gammafunk> yeah, you could look either through tileweb.cc or you can look in the client-side js in e.g. game_data to see it on the receiving end
18:17:26 <|amethyst> ctrl-shift-I, network tab, choose "socket" from the list of resources on the left (might have to do something to get it to show up), then "Frames" on the right
18:17:31 <chequers> oh, perfect!
18:17:46 <chequers> I want to copy the design :)
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18:19:12 <gammafunk> json over a websocket might not be the most appropriate transport mechanism depending on the application
18:19:26 <gammafunk> ajax I guess?
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18:21:04 <gammafunk> again, lol remember xml?
18:21:35 <gammafunk> apparently "ajaj" is actually the most common form in practice these days
18:22:16 <PleasingFungus> ajajajajajajaj
18:22:35 <gammafunk> rererere ajajajaj
18:22:55 <gammafunk> .gfnext
18:22:55 <Sequell> MiBe^Makky
18:23:10 <link_108> heh
18:23:15 <link_108> havent heard of ajaj before
18:23:23 <wheals> Two giant cockroaches and two Gastronok come into view.
18:23:23 <Sequell> wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
18:23:26 <wheals> !messages
18:23:26 <Sequell> (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (7m 9s ago): 0.16-a0-1937-gb62f961 introduced bugs with long player/title cropping ("the" is no longer correctly removed in the brief version), see https://bpaste.net/show/efad1c1f4629 for a hotfix
18:23:36 <gammafunk> wheals: wow, cockroaches?
18:23:42 <wheals> a very long time ago
18:23:42 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "cockroach"

18:23:42 <gammafunk> %??cockroach
18:23:47 <Cheibriados> giant cockroach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: insect.

18:23:47 <gammafunk> %??giant_cockroach
18:24:05 <gammafunk> sjsj
18:24:15 <Cheibriados> New branch created: safer-bitfield (2 commits)
18:24:16 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[safer-bitfield] * 0.16-a0-3541-g991e756: Be more safe with enum bitfield types. 10(12 minutes ago, 23 files, 118+ 91-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=991e756054f3
18:24:16 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[safer-bitfield] * 0.16-a0-3542-ga0a5104: Make enum_bitfield more type-safe. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0a5104c76ba
18:24:17 <wheals> you mean swsw
18:24:19 <wheals> (swswsw)
18:24:19 <Sequell> sw-keys activated
18:24:37 <PleasingFungus> wheals: did you see the fun pain weapon exploit hda accidentally found
18:24:53 <wheals> what did my code do now
18:24:55 <PleasingFungus> wheals: alternating castings of excruciating wounds & warp weapon can permabrand your weapon
18:25:16 <wheals> god
18:25:26 <wheals> i'm sure i tested that, i suspect later changes broke it
18:26:17 <wheals> "said the developer"
18:27:04 <|amethyst> need a better way to write all those i <= SPTYP_LAST_EXPONENT loops
18:27:49 <|amethyst> that branch is untested, except for (non-debug, webtiles) compilation
18:27:59 <wheals> |amethyst: need to get C++ to add for (enum_type x : enum_type)
18:28:30 <wheals> PleasingFungus: is casting each once good enough?
18:28:46 <|amethyst> sadly, SPTYP_RANDOM and SPTYP_NONE are things
18:28:53 <PleasingFungus> I have no idea, I've only heard this secondhand. hda did it and doy reproduced it (seemingly easily)
18:29:09 <|amethyst> and that style of enum is semi-obsolete anyway so I doubt they'll add anything like that
18:29:09 <gammafunk> I watched it happen every single time hda did it
18:29:23 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3522-g8908c32: refactor _get_randart_properties 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 308+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8908c32a53ab
18:29:23 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3523-g9c2a966: Improve +stat artefacts 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c2a96643f5a
18:29:25 <gammafunk> but I was busy insulting someone so I can't help you
18:29:27 <PleasingFungus> priorities are important
18:29:43 <PleasingFungus> !send Lasty power creep
18:29:43 <Sequell> Sending power creep to Lasty.
18:29:50 <chequers> <+gammafunk> json over a websocket might not be the most appropriate transport mechanism depending on the application <-- a crawl-compatible roguelike, duh
18:29:58 <PleasingFungus> hm, a "creeping horror" would be a decent monster name
18:30:02 <gammafunk> crawl....compatible?!?!
18:30:12 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: just you wait! By the time I'm done all artefacts will be the orb.
18:30:25 <chequers> so, they'll do nothing good?
18:30:33 <Lasty> ... yes
18:30:34 <Lasty> :(
18:30:42 <gammafunk> does crawl confrom to the ROGUEIX 2015 standard?
18:30:45 <chequers> fr orb should give +slay
18:31:14 <PleasingFungus> why
18:31:14 <gammafunk> *conform
18:31:33 <|amethyst> chequers:  IMO implement a webtiles frontend to boggle
18:31:33 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: retort: why NOT?!
18:31:38 <|amethyst> chequers:  and robotfindskitten
18:31:39 <chequers> ^
18:31:42 <Lasty> wouldn't it be more in character for it to have -slay?
18:31:43 <|amethyst> and atc of course
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18:31:53 <gammafunk> chequers: that was sarcastic!
18:31:58 <wheals> rfk with tiles would be almost as heretical as crawl with tiles
18:32:04 <chequers> gammafunk: it's too late, I'm writing it
18:32:08 <gammafunk> haha
18:32:12 <_miek> lol
18:32:16 <_miek> what on eart would the tiles be?
18:32:32 <wheals> %git 4128f944ef106a
18:32:32 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1125-g4128f94: Update AC/EV display on temp rebrands (8991) 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 19+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4128f944ef10
18:32:37 <wheals> i wonder if this broke it
18:32:44 <wheals> if (has_temp_brand)
18:32:44 <wheals> end_weapon_brand(weapon);
18:32:44 <wheals> -        you.props[ORIGINAL_BRAND_KEY] = get_weapon_brand(weapon);
18:32:44 <wheals> +        you.props[ORIGINAL_BRAND_KEY] = orig_brand;
18:32:44 <wheals> +
18:32:44 <chequers> You MAY have NO MORE THAN one refence to Zot. The reference MUST be in relation to an orb.
18:33:01 <wheals> end_weapon_brand meant that get_weapon_brand(weapon) would return the _real_ brand
18:33:15 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3541-g7bd4303: Allow xom to gift Air miscasts. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bd4303a958e
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18:33:24 <wheals> this was poorly commented and not clear, so the real blame falls on me, not PF
18:33:33 <theTower> need a sprint where there are orb mimics in dozens of seperate chambers
18:33:33 <gammafunk> nice commit title
18:33:38 <PleasingFungus> I am willing to share blame
18:33:48 <_miek> what about the zone zot?
18:33:51 <wheals> blame buddies
18:33:55 <gammafunk> oh, hrm
18:33:55 <PleasingFungus> <3
18:33:59 <gammafunk> can mimics mimic altars?
18:34:04 <theTower> no
18:34:09 <gammafunk> aw shucks
18:34:23 <theTower> apparently it needs to have some overflow altar code fixed up
18:34:33 <theTower> or else the obvious bad thing happens
18:34:44 <MarvinPA> speaking of mimics
18:34:46 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: oh, did HDA tell you
18:34:55 <gammafunk> that he make a +4 Storm DA for a trove
18:34:58 <MarvinPA> is there some reason for some annoying depths vault to place a ton of them
18:35:00 <gammafunk> and it turned out to be a mimic
18:35:07 <MarvinPA> other than making you press o a lot of extra times
18:35:11 <wheals> is it the guardian serpent one
18:35:16 <MarvinPA> no, some encompass
18:35:19 <theTower> the radiant caverns? it's supposed to extend the nonliving themes
18:35:21 <MarvinPA> with 20 rmut amulets
18:35:40 <wheals> yes, mimics are very much not living now
18:35:52 <theTower> since there's not enough usable nonlivings and we're not spreading out into demons
18:35:53 <MarvinPA> i think a similar effect would be achieved in vaults with mimics by placing less loot!
18:36:08 <_miek> there should be more mimics
18:36:12 <_miek> and then  you can make a mimic god
18:36:13 <theTower> it is certainly excessive in its current implementation
18:36:14 <PleasingFungus> that encompass sounds dumb
18:36:18 <theTower> I will make a note
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18:36:28 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (master - cd4db26 #1459 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46381319
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18:36:29 <PleasingFungus> I will take no position on it
18:36:35 <theTower> pleasingfungus: did you see my clean-up on that vault
18:36:40 <PleasingFungus> what is that
18:36:51 <MarvinPA> i think vaults generally need pretty good justification to use more than 0 mimics
18:37:05 <PleasingFungus> I think the justification is "if it's funny"
18:37:11 <PleasingFungus> which is the justification for all mimics
18:37:14 <PleasingFungus> sounds like that vault wasn't
18:37:28 <theTower> %git 4230734e7712e33
18:37:28 <Cheibriados> 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-635-g4230734: Fresh light D/Depths encompass vault edits 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 232+ 177-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4230734e7712
18:37:37 <theTower> look at those old kmons
18:37:45 <wheals> does the radiant caverns actually have any mutators as it stands
18:37:47 <MarvinPA> depends whether you find knowing in advance that 75% of the loot isn't real funny or not i guess
18:38:23 <theTower> it does not explicitly, but there's enough glowing shapeshifters for some shining eye chances
18:39:15 <PleasingFungus> looks like radiant_caverns_setup has an unusually high chance of placing mimics (not nearly 75% of course)
18:39:41 <PleasingFungus> e.kitem("O = | mimic"); e.subst("s = .$*p|O"); e.subst("u = .$||O")
18:39:45 <theTower> ...oh, I might have gotten a little lost during that clean-up, amulet-wise >_>
18:39:52 <PleasingFungus> hahaha
18:39:58 <wheals> isn't there a chance thing for mimics
18:40:19 <gammafunk> at least it's not like the special room bug
18:40:21 <theTower> the Os there are mimics
18:40:21 <PleasingFungus> wheals: there's a base chance, but you can manually specific mimic or non_miic
18:40:31 <PleasingFungus> *m
18:40:53 <wheals> i guess that was unimplemented, at one point you could specify a chance (out of 100 i guess??)
18:41:04 <|amethyst> you can do mimic:4  for a 1/4 chance
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18:41:46 <|amethyst> !vault lemuel_lich_library
18:41:46 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des;hb=HEAD#l683
18:41:55 <PleasingFungus> !!!!
18:42:07 <wheals> aha
18:42:17 <theTower> (please do not use that very often compared to substs, please.)
18:42:37 <wheals> oh i was going to suggest using that since it would be clearer
18:42:38 <wheals> o k
18:42:41 <|amethyst> that's the only one in the code right now
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18:42:47 <theTower> impressive
18:43:03 <PleasingFungus> theTower: why?
18:43:06 <PleasingFungus> re don't use it
18:43:28 <PleasingFungus> I guess it's kind of incredibly obscure and looks like the opposite of what it is
18:43:33 <theTower> yes that
18:43:38 <PleasingFungus> (compare to e.g. the difference between rage:4 and rage:10)
18:43:50 <|amethyst> change the syntax to  mimic:1/4
18:43:57 <wheals> so, par for crawlcode?
18:43:59 <wheals> >_>
18:44:20 <gammafunk> since : binds more tightly, that will place one-quarter of a mimic
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18:44:55 <|amethyst> mimic:1:3  for a 1/4 chance
18:45:09 <|amethyst> that would be
18:45:11 <|amethyst> odd
18:45:24 <theTower> item w:30 / item mimic
18:45:25 <theTower> please
18:45:28 <theTower> please.
18:45:29 <wheals> i guess we could ask whether there's a point in having this compared to that
18:45:31 <wheals> yes
18:46:02 <theTower> (...not that it's inherently better by itself, but at least that's not _new_ syntax)
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18:46:05 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: a mimic or monster #4, clearly
18:46:34 <gammafunk> dang, try spoiling yourselves by reading vaults now, hard core players
18:46:43 <|amethyst> any book mimic w:2 / any scroll mimic:10 w:1 / any book no_mimic w:18 / any scroll no_mimic w:9
18:46:46 <|amethyst> err
18:46:50 <|amethyst> any book mimic w:2 / any scroll mimic w:1 / any book no_mimic w:18 / any scroll no_mimic w:9
18:47:02 <PleasingFungus> hm
18:47:06 <PleasingFungus> I... hm
18:47:34 <PleasingFungus> I wonder if that's equivalent, or if no_mimic should be left off
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18:48:18 <|amethyst> hmm
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18:48:33 <|amethyst> I think you're right
18:48:35 <|amethyst> in which case ugh
18:49:03 <|amethyst> !source dungeon.cc:4520
18:49:03 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc;hb=HEAD#l4520
18:49:05 <theTower> I suppose there's strictly speaking no harm in vaults never having mimics by default since that's how most are designed and mimics are just jokes now
18:50:07 <wheals> beware the orc:4 cost
18:50:08 <PleasingFungus> imo
18:50:23 <PleasingFungus> this discussion strongly suggests that the mimic:# syntax should not be a thing
18:50:28 <theTower> yes
18:50:31 <theTower> do that
18:51:17 <wheals> given that the person who kind of overhauled mimics didn't realise it existed
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18:52:45 <PleasingFungus> well, I don't know anything
18:52:48 <PleasingFungus> basically
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18:56:06 <wheals> 1learn add
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18:58:43 <doy> guardian naga special rooms should obviously keep mimics
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19:00:27 <chequers> are mimcs even funny with peope using auto_travel_delay = 0 ?
19:01:07 <PleasingFungus> yes?
19:01:18 <PleasingFungus> well, insofar as they ever are (personal preference)
19:02:08 <PleasingFungus> heading out before it gets dark; later
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19:04:54 <Grunt> PleasingFungus casts a spell. It gets dark.
19:09:03 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3524-g8219a03: Add Regen as an artefact armour property. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8219a035e580
19:09:03 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3525-g605ca84: Add +hp/mp as randart properties 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=605ca842cc39
19:09:42 <Grunt> !send travis Lasty
19:09:42 <Sequell> Sending Lasty to travis.
19:09:49 <Lasty> ?
19:10:45 <Grunt> iirc your last build on that branch failed miserablyt, unless you fixed that already
19:11:01 <Lasty> Oh, huh
19:11:04 <Lasty> that's odd
19:11:09 <Grunt> https://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46153159
19:12:26 <Lasty> oh, that's because it was a force push
19:13:05 * Grunt forcibly pushes Lasty.
19:13:05 <Lasty> the new version isn't incomplete
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19:15:44 <Grunt> Lasty: imo show that switch (prop) block to PleasingFungus; he'll probably cry
19:15:56 <Grunt> Lasty: it would probably be better to make that block data instead :)
19:16:00 <Lasty> I think he's already seen it
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19:17:13 <Lasty> Grunt: the _artp_can_go_on_item one or the _get_randart_properties one?
19:17:16 <Lasty> Or both?
19:17:46 <Grunt> Lasty: I would say both
19:17:56 <theTower> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62Qs6HCIAABltZ.png:large
19:18:17 <theTower> writhe and wither
19:20:38 <Lasty> Grunt: how would you approach making _artp_can_go_on_item into data? It seems like I need to either have ugly if statements or I need to create a list of what items provide what properties.
19:21:20 <wheals> pasting code as a png
19:21:34 <|amethyst> ugly if in only one place would be a start
19:21:46 <|amethyst> because I'm pretty sure there is already similar code for inscriptions
19:21:48 <theTower> pretend I am pf
19:22:21 <Grunt> Lasty: cross-reference, say, the god conducts - convert the ifs there into functions :)
19:22:46 <Lasty> Grunt: I started doing that and then thought, "this seems even worse"
19:22:50 <Lasty> Am I wrong?
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19:24:42 <Grunt> !send PleasingFungus tears
19:24:42 <Sequell> Sending tears to PleasingFungus.
19:25:24 <geekosaur> !send Grunt wailing and gnashing of teeth
19:25:25 <Sequell> Sending wailing and gnashing of teeth to Grunt.
19:25:37 <Grunt> !send geekosaur a horrible gurgling noise
19:25:37 <Sequell> Sending a horrible gurgling noise to geekosaur.
19:26:07 <PleasingFungus> nooo
19:26:59 <PleasingFungus> oh yeah the switch block
19:27:02 <PleasingFungus> I complained about that already
19:27:04 <Lasty> yup
19:27:07 <PleasingFungus> and then talked with lasty about how to improve it
19:27:29 <Lasty> and as I was just saying to Grunt, I started implementing what we discussed, and it seemed even worse to me.
19:27:44 <PleasingFungus> oh?
19:27:46 <Lasty> but if you all think otherwise, I can go with that
19:28:34 <PleasingFungus> I am willing to believe you when you say a thing is bad, but it also seems possible that I didn't communicate well the exact way in which I thought things should be improved
19:30:09 <Lasty> Well, I may well be failing to consider how moving the if statements into functions and then referencing the functions from data ends up being more clean or maintainable
19:30:33 <PleasingFungus> can you show me an example of your code
19:30:35 <PleasingFungus> because that sounds very bad
19:30:39 <PleasingFungus> and not what I was suggesting
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19:31:01 <PleasingFungus> *trying to suggest
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19:36:00 <gammafunk> b -  734 gold   the +11 blowgun of the Wraith {evade, MR++}
19:36:02 <gammafunk> impressive
19:38:34 <Lasty> PleasingFungus:
19:38:35 <Lasty> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8908c32a53ab
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19:39:12 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (radarts - 9c2a966 #1460 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46390400
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19:39:29 <PleasingFungus> Lasty: _artp_can_go_on_item?
19:39:36 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3542-g9fa6358: Cover floor tiles in acid 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fa63582e787
19:39:47 <PleasingFungus> ....haha, rPois can't be placed on randart naga bardings
19:39:48 <Lasty> That and the switch statement in the next function
19:39:56 <Lasty> or see invis
19:40:21 <PleasingFungus> that's fantastic
19:40:56 <magicpoints> well it makes sense :p
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19:43:49 <Lasty> so what I'm getting at is this: I'm not convinced that what I did is the best solution, but I've been failing to come up with something that seems clearly better to me
19:43:55 <Grunt> it would make slightly less sense if salamanders
19:44:03 <Grunt> but it's probably nagas making those bardings anyway <_<
19:44:10 <Lasty> It would be
19:45:31 <PleasingFungus> Lasty: don't worry about it for now
19:45:37 <PleasingFungus> I'm going to implement a thing
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19:45:52 <Lasty> Awright
19:51:33 <doy> shafts and shadow traps, man
19:51:54 <wheals> fr: shadow shafts
19:52:01 <wheals> summons monsters native to branch:$
19:52:01 <doy> traps are pretty brutal these days
19:53:08 <Lasty> wheals: shadow shafts should send a shadow version of you to a deeper level of the branch
19:54:13 <PleasingFungus> doy: are they too brutal
19:54:19 <PleasingFungus> imo
19:54:22 <PleasingFungus> if you want to be helpful
19:54:36 <PleasingFungus> implement the thing where shadow trap summons are dismissed by killing the creature that triggered the trap
19:54:37 <PleasingFungus> <_<
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19:54:55 <travis-ci> The build passed. (safer-bitfield - a0a5104 #1460 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46390403
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19:55:14 <doy> i just got shafted to lair:8, and then stepped on a shadow trap which summoned three spiny frogs, a boulder beetle, and a crocodile
19:55:21 <PleasingFungus> nice
19:55:29 <doy> not incredibly unreasonable
19:55:50 <PleasingFungus> another thing you could do is reduce the extent to which shadow traps scale with depth
19:55:55 <doy> but as a caster, and running low on escape items, well
19:55:56 <PleasingFungus> or that I could do
19:55:57 <doy> (:
19:56:03 <PleasingFungus> rip
19:57:00 <PleasingFungus> honestly, probably you'd just want to remove the scaling entirely
19:57:09 <doy> why?
19:57:21 <PleasingFungus> there's not really any room to reduce the scaling further without removing it
19:57:36 <PleasingFungus> currently it's roughly 3/4/5 shadow creatures casts at depth 0/16/32
19:57:39 <PleasingFungus> (32 is zot:5)
19:57:44 <PleasingFungus> (div_rand_rounded, obviously)
19:58:00 <doy> i think scaling with depth is probably fine
19:58:26 <PleasingFungus> mm
19:59:07 * PleasingFungus shrugs.
20:00:39 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3543-gd511407: Simplify shadow traps 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5114074af17
20:04:00 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3544-gf6bfca6: Stop permabranding weapons with L5 charms 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6bfca6cf2a2
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20:06:12 <Grunt> oops??
20:06:12 <Sequell> <PleasingFungus> oops
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20:47:52 <gammafunk> Grunt: do you have any secret crawl projects going
20:48:17 <nicolae-> yeah *leans in and whispers* crawl the board game
20:48:23 <gammafunk> haha
20:48:41 <Lasty> !source mgen_data
20:48:42 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/wiz-fsim.cc;hb=HEAD#l25
20:48:48 <gammafunk> oops
20:48:53 <gammafunk> not what you wanted I bet
20:49:29 <Lasty> nope
20:51:41 <wheals> !source mgen_data.h
20:51:41 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mgen_data.h;hb=HEAD
20:51:43 <wheals> perhaps?
20:52:08 <Lasty> yeah, I got it. Thanks! :)
20:54:27 <wheals> (no .cc, but mon-place is close)
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20:57:58 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3526-g1a7a43c: Add artifact property +Twstr 10(11 minutes ago, 9 files, 67+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a7a43c133c9
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21:05:40 <Grunt> gammafunk: I don't think any of my major projects are secret at this point <_<
21:05:48 <|amethyst> Lasty:  "cans harm" in the desc
21:05:55 <nicolae-> Grunt: what are your major projects
21:06:28 <Grunt> salamanders, Pakellas,
21:06:34 <Lasty> |amethyst: oh, thanks
21:06:34 <Grunt> refactoring AF_ into a bitfield,
21:06:55 <nicolae-> i heard once that love is a bitfield
21:07:00 <gammafunk> I'm not sure what the point of that property is, Lasty
21:07:00 <|amethyst> Lasty:  also, you probably want the 'false' on the propdescs entry
21:07:17 <nicolae-> yeah it seems more like an unrand thing if anything
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21:11:04 <|amethyst> I'm not sure when you would use it
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21:11:35 <travis-ci> The build was fixed. (radarts - 605ca84 #1462 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/46393476
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21:13:30 <Lasty> I think it could provide an interesting if rare option
21:14:50 <Lasty> My sense is that the drawback of self-harm means you'd want to use it rarely, but sometimes it could be a very effective tool
21:14:57 <Lasty> but it's also powerful, so I'm making it rare
21:15:00 <|amethyst> there's a bigger drawback
21:15:02 <|amethyst> you get no XP
21:15:05 <Lasty> heh
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21:16:14 <Lasty> |amethyst: where's propdescs?
21:16:33 <|amethyst> Lasty:  _randart_descrip in describe.cc
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21:17:36 <Lasty> |amethyst: oh, yeah, thanks!
21:19:39 <|amethyst> could put a constructor on property_descriptor so that there is an error if you leave something out
21:21:09 <Lasty> that might be good
21:21:13 <|amethyst> hm
21:21:15 <gammafunk> well a good way to make it rare is to just make it part of an unrand, like nicolae- said
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21:21:34 <|amethyst> it looks like it isn't an error the way you had it though
21:21:40 <doy> oh, something else i was wondering about, after playing an ak
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21:21:48 <doy> i wonder how relevant the half xp for banishment really is
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21:22:28 <Lasty> gammafunk: true, but I believe it'll be interesting to have a few rare artefact properties that are consigned to a single unrand. It may not be, in which case, easy to revert or repurpose.
21:22:35 <|amethyst> "If there are fewer initializers in the list than there are members in the aggregate, then each member not explicitly initialized shall be value-initialized", which means zero-initialized for non-class/array/union
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21:22:53 <gammafunk> that are not consigned?
21:23:03 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: I hate that!!!
21:23:26 <PleasingFungus> I mean. it's better than not initializing them at all.
21:23:26 <|amethyst> Lasty:  you don't need an ARTP to give an evocable ability to an unrand
21:23:29 <Grunt> ...hi Donald.
21:23:35 <|amethyst> Lasty:  see e.g. _ASMODEUS_evoke in art-func.h
21:23:47 * PleasingFungus swims like a duck!
21:23:58 * Grunt throws iron shot at PleasingFungus.
21:23:59 <Lasty> |amethyst: yep
21:24:27 <gammafunk> well I think Lasty meant to say NOT consigned to an unrand
21:24:41 * PleasingFungus reflects the iron shot!
21:24:45 <Lasty> oh, yes, I did. More typos
21:24:50 <PleasingFungus> doy: it's relevant in like
21:24:52 <PleasingFungus> one case
21:24:54 <Cheibriados> Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 281 | Sp: pain (d10) [06!sil], paralyse [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal.

21:24:54 <PleasingFungus> %??grinder
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21:25:20 <gammafunk> I forget..
21:25:24 <gammafunk> !lg . foak max=xl
21:25:24 <Sequell> 5. gammafunk the Bludgeoner (L20 FoAK of Lugonu), quit the game on Shoals:5 on 2014-12-07 05:34:35, with 231857 points after 47876 turns and 4:09:01.
21:25:29 <gammafunk> oh right
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21:26:07 <PleasingFungus> !lg gammafunk  / boring
21:26:07 <Sequell> 966/2517 games for gammafunk: N=966/2517 (38.38%)
21:26:12 <PleasingFungus> !lg gammafunk recent / boring
21:26:13 <Sequell> 634/1210 games for gammafunk (recent): N=634/1210 (52.40%)
21:26:19 <PleasingFungus> good
21:26:29 <gammafunk> that's way too low
21:26:46 <gammafunk> !lm . hesu
21:26:46 <Sequell> 3057. [2015-01-07 08:58:16] gammafunk the Summoner (L10 HESu of Sif Muna) entered the Swamp on turn 6684. (Lair:3)
21:26:54 <gammafunk> hopefully I can quit that one appropriately
21:27:13 <PleasingFungus> it's about time
21:27:17 <PleasingFungus> for someone to set a new d:1 hs
21:27:18 <PleasingFungus> imo
21:27:20 <PleasingFungus> <_<
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21:27:57 <PleasingFungus> !hs * d:1 !boring
21:28:00 <Sequell> 751185. ophanim the Swordmaster (L27 LOFi of Jiyva), annihilated by an Ice Fiend (led by Wafenev) on D:1 on 2013-06-07 01:22:52, with 887240 points after 122671 turns and 6:12:09.
21:28:09 <PleasingFungus> rip
21:28:13 <|amethyst> !hs * d:1 boring
21:28:16 <Sequell> 321786. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34.
21:28:23 <Grunt> wow rip
21:28:39 <PleasingFungus> !lg * d:1 urune=15 min=turns
21:28:39 <Sequell> 1. gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34.
21:28:43 <PleasingFungus> heh
21:28:51 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[radarts] * 0.16-a0-3527-g0ad86ad: Fix up some typos in the +Twstr implementation. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ad86ad91510
21:29:00 <_miek> did he have the orb too?
21:29:16 <PleasingFungus> !lg * d:1 urune=15 min=turns x=gid
21:29:17 <Sequell> 1. [game_key=gammafunk:cszo:20140119062003S] gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna), quit the game on D:1 on 2014-02-22 20:26:26, with 941018 points after 49424 turns and 12:08:34.
21:29:27 <PleasingFungus> !lm * gid=gammafunk:cszo:20140119062003S
21:29:28 <Sequell> 85. [2014-02-22 20:15:34] gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna) left the Realm of Zot on turn 48770. (Zot:1)
21:29:30 <PleasingFungus> !lm * gid=gammafunk:cszo:20140119062003S -2
21:29:31 <Sequell> 84/85. [2014-02-22 20:13:51] gammafunk the Demonologist (L27 HEIE of Sif Muna) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:29:33 <PleasingFungus> yes
21:29:42 <|amethyst> !lg * d:1 quitting s=orb
21:29:43 <Sequell> Unknown field: orb
21:29:51 <_miek> hmmm that's right
21:29:55 <_miek> the milestone is just found, not has
21:30:09 <_miek> !hs * d:1 boring -log
21:30:12 <Sequell> 321786. gammafunk, XL27 HEIE, T:49424: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20140222-202626.txt
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21:30:29 <|amethyst> !lm * orb quitting
21:30:42 <Sequell> 8. [2014-11-19 17:00:20] SomeLikeItHot the Slayer (L27 GrFi of Cheibriados) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:30:50 <|amethyst> !lm * orb quitting s=name
21:30:53 <Sequell> 8 milestones for * (orb quitting): gammafunk, Julia, nubinia, nht, SomeLikeItHot, slickrick, AdeonThree, resistentialism
21:31:09 <|amethyst> !lm * orb left s=name
21:31:10 <Sequell> 9 milestones for * (orb left): daftfad, Miritol, trucutru, reid, yogidabear, Julia, nht, qwqw, Shovelmint
21:31:17 <|amethyst> !lm * orb left
21:31:31 <|amethyst> !lm * orb left x=gid
21:31:32 <Sequell> 9. [2011-12-12 15:53:30] nht the Shatterer (L27 OgAs of Lugonu) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:31:38 <Sequell> 9. [2011-12-12 15:53:30] [game_key=nht:cdo:20111110163249S] nht the Shatterer (L27 OgAs of Lugonu) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:31:46 <Grunt> !lm * orb.destroy
21:31:47 <|amethyst> !lg nht:cdo:20111110163249S
21:31:48 <Sequell> No keyword 'nht:cdo:20111110163249S'
21:31:51 <Sequell> 15. [2012-05-08 02:42:24] Cheibrodos the Slayer (L27 CeAK of Lugonu) destroyed the Orb of Zot (D:4)
21:31:56 <|amethyst> !lg * gid=nht:cdo:20111110163249S
21:31:56 <Sequell> 1. nht the Shatterer (L27 OgAs of Lugonu), got out of the dungeon with 4 runes on 2011-12-12 15:59:11, with 548072 points after 102460 turns and 8:10:04.
21:31:58 <Grunt> !lm * orb.destroy / ktyp=leaving
21:32:00 <Sequell> 8/15 milestones for * (orb.destroy): N=8/15 (53.33%)
21:32:03 <Grunt> 8/15
21:32:05 <Grunt> what's the ninth
21:32:10 <Grunt> !lm * orb.destroy / s=ktyp
21:32:12 <Sequell> 15 milestones for * (orb.destroy): 8x leaving, 3x lava, rotting, targeting, mon, beam
21:32:26 <_miek> !kw orb.destroy
21:32:26 <Sequell> Built-in: orb.destroy => verb=orb.destroy
21:32:29 <|amethyst> !lm * orb.destroy ktyp=leaving s=name
21:32:30 <Sequell> 8 milestones for * (orb.destroy ktyp=leaving): daftfad, Miritol, trucutru, reid, Julia, nht, qwqw, Shovelmint
21:32:38 <Grunt> nht is one of those games
21:32:40 <Grunt> so
21:32:43 <_miek> is that like..
21:32:45 <_miek> dropping it in lava?
21:32:48 <Grunt> !lm * orb left s=name
21:32:50 <Grunt> _miek: yes
21:32:50 <Sequell> 9 milestones for * (orb left): daftfad, Miritol, trucutru, reid, yogidabear, Julia, nht, qwqw, Shovelmint
21:32:59 <|amethyst> !lm * yogidabear orb left x=gid
21:33:00 <Sequell> No keyword 'yogidabear'
21:33:02 <|amethyst> !lm yogidabear orb left x=gid
21:33:02 <_miek> can you still do that with apportation?
21:33:02 <Sequell> 1. [2010-08-02 05:54:38] [game_key=yogidabear:cao:20100702010057S] yogidabear the Merfolkian Porcupine (L25 MfCr of Okawaru) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:33:07 <Grunt> !lm yogidabear orb left -game
21:33:08 <Sequell> yogidabear:cao:20100702010057S. yogidabear the Merfolkian Porcupine (L25 MfCr of Okawaru), got out of the dungeon with 3 runes on 2010-08-02 06:01:14, with 428537 points after 75533 turns and 4:48:20.
21:33:08 <Grunt> _miek: no
21:33:21 <Grunt> |amethyst: oh, I guess he dropped the orb somewhere
21:33:23 <Grunt> !lm yogidabear orb left -log
21:33:24 <Sequell> yogidabear, XL25 MfCr, T:75533: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/yogidabear/morgue-yogidabear-20100802-060114.txt
21:34:12 <|amethyst> (15, 4, Zot:5) the Orb of Zot
21:34:22 <|amethyst> picked it up then dropped it on Zot
21:34:24 <|amethyst> :5
21:34:44 <Grunt> :(
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21:35:27 <PleasingFungus> ?/keys
21:35:27 <Sequell> Matching terms (4): qwkeys, roguekeys, st_keys, vikeys; entries (21): alcohol[1] | brogue[3] | capsrobin[1] | cbro[1] | coolplayers[1] | cXc[1] | dbro[1] | goodirc[2] | goodreddit[5] | hjklyubn[1] | ironwasp[1] | macro[2] | nethack_mode[1] | ninja[2] | numpad_reasons[1] | panrobin[1] | qwqw[1] | rune[1] | swissstopwatch[3] | swissstopwatch[4] | turnerjer[2]
21:35:44 <PleasingFungus> ?/locked
21:35:44 <Sequell> Matching entries (15): battlelust_card[1] | blink[1] | blink[2] | cleave[1] | mephitic_cloud[3] | mislead[1] | monqy[20] | okawaru[1] | paralysis[1] | passive_freeze[1] | reflection[1] | spiny[1] | summon_butterflies[1] | tomb[3] | turnerjer[2]
21:35:51 <PleasingFungus> ??turnerjer
21:35:51 <Sequell> turnerjer[1/7]: A lesson we should all appreciate: don't drop your runes in Zot, and then leave without them.
21:36:06 <PleasingFungus> yep, that's it
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21:38:37 <magicpoints> !lm * orb.destroy 1 -tv
21:38:38 <Sequell> 1/15. qwqw, XL17 SpEn, T:20797 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
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21:45:44 <yokelz> hey minmay
21:45:45 <yokelz> sup
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22:00:35 <gammafunk> man, I wish I had took a systems programming course, because learning how this stuff works from reading webtiles crawlcode is....dangerous
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22:00:50 <gammafunk> *had taken
22:04:34 <halberd> Is the following an accurate description of how evasion works:  Attacks miss unconditionally 2.5% of the time and hit unconditionally 2.5% of the time.  Otherwise, if 1d(tohit) < 2d(ev)/2, the attack misses.  Otherwise, it hits.
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22:05:27 <halberd> er, the last part was meant to be, 1d(tohit) < 2d(2 * ev) / 2
22:06:29 <halberd> I believe it's not an accurate description because my predictions based on it don't agree with fsim
22:07:27 <_miek> I think it should be 2d(ev)/2 not 2d(2*ev).2
22:08:01 <halberd> well the problem is my prediction based on it would have the dire elephant dealing twice as much damage as he actually does
22:08:03 <_miek> just from the idea that ev == to_hit means you should be hitting 50% of the time
22:08:17 <halberd> so I want to correct the calculation in the other direction
22:08:24 <halberd> so he hits less
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22:08:48 <halberd> if I used 2d(ev)/2 he'd hit a lot more so it would be even more wrong
22:09:26 <_miek> what's your ev and what's the elephant's to hit?
22:09:51 <Cheibriados> dire elephant (02Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 95-132 | AC/EV: 13/2 | Dam: 4007(trample), 15 | Res: 06magic(100), 12drown | XP: 1243 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal.

22:09:51 <_miek> %??dire_elephant
22:10:12 <halberd> ev is 26, elephant is a non fighter so I think it has to-hit 15 * 1.5 + 18 = 40.5
22:10:23 <_miek> right
22:10:35 <_miek> and what are you using for its damage?
22:10:43 <_miek> ??trample
22:10:43 <Sequell> trample[1/3]: it's knockback, and the monster gets a step to fill the gap. Things that trample: (dire) elephants, most large dragons (normal/ice/iron/swamp/golden/bone/storm), hell beasts.
22:10:53 <halberd> 40 and 15, but damage shouldn't matter for EV
22:10:54 <_miek> ??trample[2
22:10:54 <Sequell> trample[2/3]: You cannot be trampled into deep water or lava unless you can swim in them. You can be trampled into traps. You can get trampled while trying to climb stairs, and you'll get pushed away from the stairs.
22:11:11 <_miek> oh so you're only calculating the number of times it hits you?
22:11:16 <_miek> not the aveffdmg?
22:11:41 <halberd> I'm trying to calculate the aveffdmg but I mean, with ev I just need to calculate the percentage of attacks that are blocked, and then multiply 55 by that amount to get the total damage
22:11:51 <halberd> er that are dodged
22:11:57 <_miek> nah
22:12:02 <_miek> that's probably where your factor of 4 is
22:12:09 <halberd> oh!
22:12:12 <_miek> elephant rolls 1d40
22:12:14 <halberd> yeah you're right
22:12:15 <_miek> or 1d15
22:12:28 <_miek> so average of 1d40 and 1d15
22:12:43 <halberd> so that gives me a factor of 2 reduction
22:12:52 <_miek> pretty sure it only does one of the attacks each turn too
22:12:58 <gammafunk> no it does both
22:13:07 <_miek> okay well then yeah only factor of 2
22:13:32 <_miek> maybe 2d(2*ev)/2 is correct? I dunno
22:13:35 <halberd> ok now my result almost agrees with fsim
22:13:42 <doy> yeah, 2d(2*ev)/2 is correct
22:13:46 <PleasingFungus> _miek: "pretty sure it only does one of the attacks each turn too" why are you sure of that
22:13:57 <_miek> PleasingFungus: because dunning-kruger effect most likely
22:14:08 <doy> !source attack.cc:1495
22:14:08 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/attack.cc;hb=HEAD#l1495
22:14:10 <_miek> e.g. I should not make statements prequalified with "pretty sure"
22:14:30 <PleasingFungus> rip
22:14:36 <Cheibriados> demonic crawler (09s) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 46-71 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 13, 13, 13 | 05demonic, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 349 | Sz: Big | Int: insect.

22:14:36 <PleasingFungus> %??demonic crawler
22:14:47 <gammafunk> one thing I don't know is how delay works with multiple attacks, though
22:14:51 <PleasingFungus> imo let one of these guys wail on you for a couple of turns and watch the attack messages
22:14:55 <PleasingFungus> gammafunk: me either
22:14:58 <gammafunk> e.g. do additional attacks at more
22:15:03 <gammafunk> PleasingFungus: me more either!
22:15:27 <gammafunk> I know even less than you possibly could not know!
22:15:35 <gammafunk> sorry, competitive instincts
22:17:03 <gammafunk> but that's another complication to these calculations, attack delay, if you're trying to do manually what fsim is doing
22:17:27 <halberd> dire elephant has delay 1.0
22:18:01 <gammafunk> well it has delay 10 (aut), but what I'm saying is that the second attack
22:18:08 <gammafunk> might have its own delay, I don't know if it does
22:18:38 <gammafunk> I guess if fsim implies 10 aut, then there's no delay with that second attack
22:19:04 <_miek> well he has the numbers working out now, so that probably implies they're both delay 10
22:19:08 <halberd> yeah it has avspeed 1.00 and maxdam 54
22:19:16 <gammafunk> that's good, then
22:19:32 <halberd> they almost fit, fsim is saying like 10.7 but I would predict 10.2
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22:20:40 <gammafunk> well fsim is I think only 100 trials, but that seems off enough that your calc. is missing something
22:20:52 <halberd> yeah probably
22:20:52 <gammafunk> maybe it's 1k trials
22:24:46 <PleasingFungus> huh
22:24:57 <PleasingFungus> one part of our code thinks that pearl dragon hide gives rN; one part does't
22:25:05 <PleasingFungus> that's good
22:26:33 <gammafunk> the eternal war of crawlcode, there are no winners...
22:28:43 <doy> does that have gameplay effects?
22:28:52 <PleasingFungus> let me check
22:29:23 <PleasingFungus> yes
22:29:27 <PleasingFungus> very minor ones
22:29:57 <PleasingFungus> players get rN from pearl dragon hides; monsters don't
22:35:10 <halberd> is there any way to increase the number of trials with &f ?  im getting too much variance
22:37:08 <halberd> oh it says fsim_rounds can configure it, does that mean I would need to recompile?
22:37:12 <PleasingFungus> %git 5866c36a
22:37:12 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-1607-g5866c36: Buff scarab bites further by adding a negative vulnerability effect. 10(2 months ago, 14 files, 104+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5866c36a2176
22:37:27 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: did you intentionally make rN- work differently from rF-?
22:37:41 <Grunt> PleasingFungus: ? ? ?
22:37:54 <PleasingFungus> rF- means your rF is essentially capped at rF++ instead of rF+++, for the duration, since it's applied right at the end
22:38:13 <halberd> nvm
22:38:18 <PleasingFungus> rf = min(3, rf); if (temp && you.duration[DUR_FIRE_VULN]) rf--; rf = max(-3, rf);
22:38:25 <PleasingFungus> but rN- is applied much earlier
22:38:30 <Grunt> hm.
22:39:21 <PleasingFungus> rPois- also works like rF-
22:39:40 <PleasingFungus> rc-- doesn't but that only exists for dead species anyway
22:39:49 <PleasingFungus> er, rc-
22:40:18 <Grunt> rip salamanders ;_;
22:40:19 <Sequell> rip
22:40:28 <PleasingFungus> hey, they're not in trunk!!!
22:40:39 <Grunt> they's not dead!!!!!!!
22:40:42 <PleasingFungus> I can't be expected to look at their code
22:40:44 <PleasingFungus> or
22:40:45 <PleasingFungus> remember they exist
22:40:53 <PleasingFungus> or remember much of anything
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22:40:54 <PleasingFungus> really
22:41:01 <theTower> memory is overrated
22:41:05 <theTower> that's what resources are for
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23:01:50 <doy> was there a recent change that made randarts almost always want to give +stats?
23:02:27 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3544-gf6bfca6 (34)
23:03:01 <PleasingFungus> I don't think anyone's touched randarts lately, in trunk
23:03:24 <doy> i wonder if that's just always been the case and i never really noticed
23:03:31 <PleasingFungus> stats are very common
23:03:33 <PleasingFungus> and rarely notable
23:03:50 <PleasingFungus> lasty has a thing in his branch that doubles the magnitude of randart stats deltas
23:03:57 <PleasingFungus> I'm not sure that's a good idea but v0v
23:04:01 <doy> yeah
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23:36:01 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3545-g90ddc1d: Flag armour properties 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 66+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90ddc1d17374
23:36:01 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3546-g3cadbef: Deduplicate dragon armour resists 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 125+ 113-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cadbefbd74f
23:36:09 <PleasingFungus> oops
23:36:12 <PleasingFungus> that should have been one commit
23:36:14 <PleasingFungus> oh well
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