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Avigdore, XL27 DsWz, T:92281 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:20:23 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 01:27:38 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:50 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 01:30:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:38:33 -!- Fiveotanaka has quit [Client Quit] 01:41:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:50:07 -!- cognificent has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:52:34 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:03:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:37 -!- saltylicorice has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10:56 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:37 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:21 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3458-g6d2551d (34) 02:21:47 -!- gareppa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:44 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:47 -!- tcsc_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:53:53 -!- CountOfHearts has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:04:17 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:12 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:24:29 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:40 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:55 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 03:52:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 03:53:13 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:58:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:02:47 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12:51 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:17 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13:54 -!- Guest42202 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:16:09 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:24 -!- Guest42202 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:33 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:46 !messages 04:50:46 (1/1) Grunt said (14h 16m 37s ago): yes. 04:51:03 !tell Grunt Absolutely not. 04:51:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let grunt know. 04:54:17 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01:55 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:04:10 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:55 -!- Guest42202 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:24:24 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:24:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:55 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:13 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Please do not use Wingdings, use Unicode Characters. 11:50:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:52:48 <|amethyst> And then there is: lydtingbesttret ***** Awesome! and wonderfull API to integrate the compressor in my own projects! 11:53:27 <|amethyst> And a few that are obvious spam: preseronin ***** Really good program, simple and useful. I'm satisfied. 11:53:36 <|amethyst> fodulrinart ***** always reliable. One of the first utilities I load on every new PC. 11:53:59 <|amethyst> writmifimo ***** Really powerful and practical software. 11:55:23 <|amethyst> ahh... that first comment was apparently copied from a comment here: https://detarame.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/dungeon-crawl-stone-soup-0-10-reference-excel-sheet/ 11:55:40 <|amethyst> which makes much more sense 11:56:57 why would spammers post weird positive comments like that? 11:57:30 <|amethyst> my guess would be to get their accounts' feedback highly rated so they can increase the rating of their own software 11:58:21 <|amethyst> Since people are, I suspect, more likely to mark a positive comment as "helpful" 11:59:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:46 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:01 Oh Lamia is really a nice game for the game lovers. I played this game many a times, but still unsatisfied by it's fire and ice beauty. 12:00:15 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:01:12 <|amethyst> heh 12:01:33 that's my favourite tavern spam post 12:02:01 <|amethyst> ??lamia 12:02:01 lamia[1/2]: [Crawl development] will clip an Angel's Wings, / Conquer all mysteries by rule and line, / Empty the haunted air, and gnomed mine-- / Unweave a rainbow as it erewhile made / The tender-person'd Lamia melt into a shade. 12:02:05 <|amethyst> ??lamia[2] 12:02:05 lamia[2/2]: !lg * cv=0.12 place=~Snake s=ikiller 222 games for * (cv=0.12 place=~Snake): 64x Lamia, 48x a naga warrior, 37x a greater naga, 10x an anaco.... 12:02:08 <|amethyst> aww 12:03:01 yeah, I had it added there but someone deleted it 12:03:15 which meant that tracking it down I had to run into this on the way :( https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=105832#p105832 12:03:42 Wow, so Mnoleg is the new hotness? :) 12:04:00 finally 12:04:17 !tell wheals " Hey PleasingFungus, it looks like there's an information leak with wand of random effects on current trunk. If it's about to queue up a hex, it'll display the chance to succeed..." 12:04:17 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:04:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3461-gf41dd15: Display /disint's success chance (Davzz) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f41dd15692b3 12:04:45 !tell wheals "You can repeatedly cancel the prompt to manipulate the wand into (not) using a hex. edit: different hexes have different success chances listed, so someone patient enough could probably figure out which hex they're about to cast with /RE." 12:04:45 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:04:56 http://crawl.develz.org/info/tile.php?q=mnoleg is funny 12:08:01 |amethyst: wikipedia claims the recent indian site block has already been reversed, but I can't find a source for that 12:09:18 Mnoleg (09&) | Spd: 13 | HD: 17 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Dam: 4012(klown), 3509(mutation), 3012(vuln), 2306(blink self) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 10820 | Sp: sum.eyeballs [06!sil], malign gateway [06!sil], sum.horrible things [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:09:18 %??mnoleg 12:09:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: weebly, vimeo, dailymotion, and github have "undertaken not to allow pasting of such propaganda information" and are being unblocked: http://qz.com/319900/how-the-mumbai-police-managed-to-block-vimeo-and-github-in-india/ 12:10:12 Killer Klown (10p) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 131-170 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3012(klown) | 10doors, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 4747 | Sp: blink [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:10:12 %??killer klown 12:10:27 |amethyst: ah, possibly that's what the wiki editor was referencing 12:10:29 what a mess 12:11:44 <|amethyst> if sourceforge caves, though, I think we should host Crawl elsewhere 12:11:59 MarvinPA: re b03f90ca4266, I added that for two reasons: (1) it was a Frequently Asked Question, (2) iirc we don't actually mention that mechanic anywhere else (the hydra healing from lost heads things). the second one should probably be addressed in hydra's description, but the first one seems like a reasonable concern 12:12:11 idk 12:12:14 <|amethyst> since sourceforge was being blocked because of one project (the order only listed that one project) 12:12:21 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:12:22 <|amethyst> and that project was a pastebin server 12:12:37 <|amethyst> not a running pastebin server 12:12:46 <|amethyst> I mean software that allows you to run a pastebin server 12:13:16 i would have hoped the obvious answer to "can i let enemies hit me repeatedly to gain hp" is "um no" 12:13:37 well, crawl is dumb 12:13:49 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:04 Nurse (04R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 88 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1263 | Sp: b.fire (3d20) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d5) [06!sil], fireball (3d20) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) burst [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:14:04 <|amethyst> %?? azrael name:Nurse 12:14:11 <|amethyst> oh, wait, flaming 12:14:22 Anti-nurse (04R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 88 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1263 | Sp: b.fire (3d20) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d5) [06!sil], fireball (3d20) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) burst [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:14:22 <|amethyst> %?? azrael name:Anti-nurse 12:15:00 i mainly objected to it because "flaw in the spell to justify self-evident gameplay mechanics" is really awkward to me, i dislike it in iood's desc too 12:15:47 it's not self-evident that monster spells wouldn't have the restriction 12:15:48 for iood 12:16:05 sure, that's not an issue here though 12:16:15 ufoexpert (L5 GrMo) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:16:27 <|amethyst> !crashlog ufoexpert 12:16:28 1. ufoexpert, XL5 GrMo, T:3193 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ufoexpert/crash-ufoexpert-20150101-181606.txt 12:16:30 also the iood desc doesn't even get that across really anyway, i think 12:16:49 <|amethyst> auto_assign_item_slot => swap_inv_slots 12:16:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:08 it just says something vague about "certain individuals" 12:17:17 ufoexpert (L5 GrMo) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:17:23 <|amethyst> !tell wheals crash in auto_assign_item_slot: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ufoexpert/crash-ufoexpert-20150101-181606.txt 12:17:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:17:24 also it's self-evident when it happens and you die 12:17:26 so that seems fine 12:17:39 learning is fun 12:18:26 it's not really very transparent at all even then - very easy to miss in a lot of cases (cases like the orbit of destruction less so, of course :p) 12:18:42 the entire point of descriptions is to let people learn without dying :) 12:18:44 but I can tweak the wording 12:18:48 <|amethyst> is it obvious that yours disappears when it leaves LOS? 12:18:54 <|amethyst> since you can't see it happening 12:19:01 <|amethyst> you might just think that the enemy dodged 12:21:54 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: who was the randeff quote from? 12:22:05 Brannock 12:23:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3462-g9823987: Don't leak hexiness of /RE effects (Brannock) 10(41 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9823987909ed 12:23:17 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:31 ah, nice! 12:23:38 !tell wheals |amethyst fixed it :) 12:23:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:24:02 <|amethyst> !tell wheals (but I didn't fix the auto_assign_item_slot crash, have at it) 12:24:02 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:24:34 MarvinPA: I found the original statue form/gargoyle interaction stuff; the penalty was originally added in compensation for letting gargoyle's innate AC work in statue form, if I'm reading it correctly 12:24:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:38 <|amethyst> !tell wheals btw, you have messages 12:24:38 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 12:24:43 !tell |amethyst hi... 12:24:43 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:25:10 ah, i did try to track it down but failed 12:25:12 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:21 !tell |amethyst you've got mail! 12:25:21 wheals: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:25:21 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:25:23 but yeah that seems like a feasible explanation 12:25:24 !messages 12:25:25 (1/6) PleasingFungus said (21m 8s ago): " Hey PleasingFungus, it looks like there's an information leak with wand of random effects on current trunk. If it's about to queue up a hex, it'll display the chance to succeed..." 12:25:33 excellent 12:25:34 !messages 12:25:35 (1/5) PleasingFungus said (20m 49s ago): "You can repeatedly cancel the prompt to manipulate the wand into (not) using a hex. edit: different hexes have different success chances listed, so someone patient enough could probably figure out which hex they're about to cast with /RE." 12:25:40 !messages 12:25:40 (1/4) |amethyst said (8m 17s ago): crash in auto_assign_item_slot: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ufoexpert/crash-ufoexpert-20150101-181606.txt 12:25:42 !messages 12:25:42 (1/3) PleasingFungus said (2m 2s ago): |amethyst fixed it :) 12:25:43 !messages 12:25:43 (1/2) |amethyst said (1m 41s ago): (but I didn't fix the auto_assign_item_slot crash, have at it) 12:25:45 !messages 12:25:45 (1/1) |amethyst said (1m 7s ago): btw, you have messages 12:25:50 good stort 12:25:51 *story 12:26:19 I'm moved 12:27:09 MarvinPA: the relevant commit suggested that he (DO) wanted to disable gargoyle statue form altogether, since they're already a statue 12:27:18 I don't feel strongly about this 12:27:22 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:39 -!- t4nk856 has quit [Client Quit] 12:28:27 <|amethyst> eh, we don't disable tree form for vine stalkers 12:28:27 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:28:55 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:59 &rc ufoexpert 12:29:00 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/ufoexpert.rc 12:29:00 vines aren't trees!!!! 12:29:14 unless there's some kind of 'vine tree' I'm unaware of 12:29:17 biology is weird. 12:29:17 ++ for not allowing statue form gr 12:29:23 hm 12:29:34 <|amethyst> gargoyles aren't half-speed and mostly slotless, either 12:29:36 !lm * crash noun~~range_check 12:29:37 344. [2015-01-01 18:17:09] ufoexpert the Ruffian (L5 GrMo of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:29:39 !lm * crash noun~~range_check - 12:29:40 No keyword '-' 12:29:41 !lm * crash noun~~range_check -2 12:29:41 343/344. [2015-01-01 18:16:06] ufoexpert the Cudgeler (L5 GrMo of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:29:43 !lm * crash noun~~range_check -3 12:29:43 342/344. [2014-12-31 16:06:23] flatmate the Sneak (L4 SpAM of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27018 / 52) (D:3) 12:29:45 !lm * crash noun~~range_check -4 12:29:45 341/344. [2014-12-31 14:06:22] flatmate the Sneak (L4 SpAM of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27018 / 52) (D:3) 12:29:48 !lm * crash noun~~range_check -5 12:29:49 340/344. [2014-12-27 01:06:12] tigertrap the Firebug (L9 CeFE of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:7) 12:29:55 &rc flatmate 12:29:57 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/flatmate.rc 12:30:07 all the same rc 12:30:12 I don't think there's a mechanical justification for barring statue form gr, ya 12:30:16 hence my ambivalence 12:30:22 wow that's a lot of item_slots 12:30:36 not a very good spell for them even with the huge +4 AC boost :) 12:31:12 <|amethyst> !rachlog ufoexpert 12:31:15 <|amethyst> err 12:31:21 <|amethyst> epic spelling bug 12:31:24 <|amethyst> !crashlog ufoexpert 12:31:24 2. ufoexpert, XL5 GrMo, T:3082 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ufoexpert/crash-ufoexpert-20150101-181709.txt 12:31:28 <|amethyst> !crashlog flatmate 12:31:29 2. flatmate, XL4 SpAM, T:3585 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/flatmate/crash-flatmate-20141231-160623.txt 12:31:30 <|amethyst> !crashlog tigertrap 12:31:30 6. tigertrap, XL9 CeFE, T:8527 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tigertrap/crash-tigertrap-20141227-010612.txt 12:31:35 ufoexpert and flatmate both have rcs that are nothing but include += tigertrap.rc 12:32:04 <|amethyst> oh, crashlogs don't include inventory 12:32:24 ah, just equipment 12:32:41 <|amethyst> oh, wonder if this is my fault 12:33:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:33:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3463-g048a9e8: Fix a scribal error (IOOD description) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=048a9e8318d4 12:33:44 <|amethyst> hm, no, looks like it would have happened before 12:33:51 base_type = OBJ_POTIONS, sub_type = 2 in ufo's 12:34:04 <|amethyst> ah 12:34:25 oh hm, it's getting the 27000 from from_slot 12:34:25 weird 12:34:29 <|amethyst> I bet all of those worshipped ash 12:34:32 <|amethyst> I see the problem 12:34:33 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:34:52 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~range_check x=god 12:34:52 344. [2015-01-01 18:17:09] [god=Ashenzari] ufoexpert the Ruffian (L5 GrMo of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:34:53 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~range_check x=god -2 12:34:53 343/344. [2015-01-01 18:16:06] [god=Ashenzari] ufoexpert the Cudgeler (L5 GrMo of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:3) 12:34:54 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~range_check x=god -3 12:34:55 342/344. [2014-12-31 16:06:23] [god=Ashenzari] flatmate the Sneak (L4 SpAM of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27018 / 52) (D:3) 12:34:55 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~range_check x=god -4 12:34:55 341/344. [2014-12-31 14:06:22] [god=Ashenzari] flatmate the Sneak (L4 SpAM of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27018 / 52) (D:3) 12:34:55 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~range_check x=god -5 12:34:56 340/344. [2014-12-27 01:06:12] [god=Ashenzari] tigertrap the Firebug (L9 CeFE of Ashenzari) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 52) (D:7) 12:35:41 !lm * crash noun~~file 12:35:44 154. [2014-03-07 12:59:10] ScarletJ the Sneak (L1 VpAs) ERROR in 'format.cc' at line 200: Stack underflow in string "Lua error: /dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-git/ScarletJ.rc:92: unfinished string near '" monsters can smite you.'" (D:1) 12:35:56 !lm * crash noun~~ASSERT 12:35:57 5041. [2014-12-29 15:07:25] jtj27 the Bringer of Life (L18 GrHe of Elyvilon) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1922 failed on turn 62417. (D:15) 12:36:05 oh 12:36:13 i guess those would all be in fixedvector.h 12:36:19 so saying the file wouldn't help 12:36:39 <|amethyst> go by 27000 / 52 12:36:49 <|amethyst> if you're looking for more occurrences of that bug 12:36:57 <|amethyst> though that will catch a lot of other bugs about inventory too 12:37:23 <|amethyst> I think I have a fix, testing 12:37:36 i wonder whether weapon_can_be_spectral could be used in dancing weapon code 12:37:40 i mean, presumably 12:37:52 <|amethyst> yeah, I thought about that but didn't bother checking 12:37:57 <|amethyst> but I suspect the rules are the same 12:42:10 casting confuse on a gargoyle displays 69% chance to succeed, but gargoyle is unaffected 12:42:33 this is true of quite a lot of cases 12:42:42 someone was talking about it on... tavern, I think 12:42:55 is it caused by magic immune? 12:42:56 e.g. hibernation on rc creatures 12:43:03 <|amethyst> not magic immune 12:43:04 evilmike: monster gargoyles are nonliving 12:43:09 <|amethyst> but immune for reasons other than MR 12:43:13 ya 12:43:31 well, all nonliving are magic immune still, right? 12:43:41 oh, speaking of which 12:43:42 <|amethyst> evilmike: no 12:43:46 multi holiness would be a great time to remove demon/holy poly 12:43:47 :) 12:43:59 what 12:44:01 fucked up 12:44:06 gargoyle (159) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-33 | AC/EV: 18/6 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 415 | Sp: stone arrow (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:44:06 <|amethyst> %??gargoyle 12:44:15 why would you do that 12:44:23 why does it exist 12:44:29 is the correct question 12:44:35 <|amethyst> Why does polymorph exist at all? 12:44:36 it's fun, makes nemelex more useful in extended, etc 12:44:53 I still want to expand it. make pan lords get randomized by poly 12:45:06 people have used polymorph on non-demons 12:45:35 !degenerate wheals 12:45:37 i've never had a problem with demon polymorph as a concept 12:46:03 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~grinder_the 12:46:05 134. lindsey the Skirmisher (L6 DsCK of Xom), blasted by Grinder the smoke demon (ball of steam) on D:4 on 2014-12-16 14:28:45, with 312 points after 3544 turns and 0:07:46. 12:46:23 theres a bunch of people who are (quite vocally) against it, but i think its just because there aren't enough demons 12:46:26 or they turn into weird things 12:46:42 !lg * recent killer~~grinder_the s=killer 12:46:45 47 games for * (recent killer~~grinder_the): 11x Grinder the hellion, 4x Grinder the hell beast, 4x Grinder the iron imp, 3x Grinder the tormentor, 3x Grinder the hell hound, 3x Grinder the white imp, 2x Grinder the sixfirhy, 2x Grinder the demonic crawler, 2x Grinder the hellwing, 2x Grinder the efreet, Grinder the ynoxinul, Grinder the smoke demon, Grinder the blue devil, Grinder the iron devil,... 12:47:05 well, that's a general poly problem 12:47:12 "problem" 12:47:13 since hd is a thing, and yet, not a thing 12:47:32 here: a slug. here: a wyvern. which of these creatures will be more dangerous when polymorphed? 12:47:50 <|amethyst> even going by XP wouldn't help much there 12:47:53 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 281 | Sp: pain (d10) [06!sil], paralyse [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 12:47:53 <|amethyst> %??grinder 12:47:54 there are maybe a few of those that are reasonable (granted that list is biased towards the ones that kill people) 12:47:55 hellion (042) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 383 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:47:55 <|amethyst> %??hellion 12:48:14 i think hd should just be on the monster info screen 12:48:24 <|amethyst> so wouldn't polymorphing a hellion be a good strategy? 12:48:30 i mean if MR, spell lists, etc are being exposed now, HD is pretty good to show too 12:48:36 considering it's the catchall stat for monsters 12:48:41 elliptic's position on it is that we should phase out all the mechanics that touch HD directly 12:48:46 |amethyst: it kind of already looks like it is 12:48:48 I suggested this at the time I added ac and ev displays 12:48:58 but he's strongly opposed iirc 12:48:59 blue devil (024) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 14/10 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 303 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:48:59 %??blue devil 12:49:02 same HD 12:49:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:50:10 can't wait for the script that averages out all the current xp to spellset / health range modifiers per-monster and then making polymorph apply to xp range 12:50:13 actually I might be misrepresenting him slightly, it's been a few months 12:50:16 i wouldnt mind phasing out HD and replacing it with proper stats, so if theres an idea on how to do that, maybe its worth trying 12:50:22 it sounds reall difficult though 12:50:24 then death yaks can become fire giants 12:50:26 because so many things are tied to HD 12:50:34 ya 12:50:39 there's a big list on tavern somewhere 12:50:48 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-92 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 872 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 12:50:48 %??death yak 12:50:49 %%?fire giant 12:50:53 ??hd[develz 12:50:54 hd[3/5]: More or less comprehensive list of effects: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=181800#p181800 12:50:55 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-116 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire++, 12drown | XP: 1812 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 12:50:55 %??fire giant 12:50:59 they already can 12:51:05 whoops, was thinking of two death yaks 12:51:07 haha 12:51:14 duct-taped together? 12:51:16 xp ranges are not very sane currently anyway >_> 12:51:23 clearly needs to be some effect that melds multiple monsters together 12:51:26 (also why am I up two hours earlier than usual) 12:51:27 as long as it's not 12:51:28 chimeras 12:51:30 roll of duct tape 12:51:34 theTower: I'm up two hours later than usual, so it balances out 12:51:42 <|amethyst> "crack of noon" 12:51:51 <|amethyst> if you're in colorado anyway 12:52:00 but who lives there??? 12:52:03 happy 2015 btw 12:52:18 who will 2015 be the year of 12:52:33 ...who was 2014 the year of 12:52:34 still luigi 12:52:37 luigi is eternal 12:52:48 <|amethyst> theTower: gitstats says PleasingFungus 12:52:56 breaking grunt's streak? 12:53:12 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/crawl-stats/authors.html#author_of_year 12:53:41 okay, that stat's worthless now that I realize what it implies >_> 12:53:56 who had the most millimarvins this year! 12:54:16 <|amethyst> probably you 12:54:28 deep elf knight (10e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 37-60 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 14 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 779 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d8), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse / throw frost (3d8), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d8), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:54:28 %??deep elf knight 12:54:29 2014 was the least single-dev-dominated year since 2010, apparently 12:54:33 also the most commits since 2010 12:54:34 btw speaking of making HD better, the first thing I'd decouple from it is monster to-hit 12:54:34 ...damnit, bah 12:54:35 <|amethyst> we will have to rename them to milliwhealses 12:54:45 i assume he still is beating me 12:54:47 <|amethyst> wheals: nope 12:54:51 :o 12:54:55 <|amethyst> wheals: -7736 to -7537 12:55:00 ! 12:55:08 %git --author=marvinpa 12:55:09 Could not find commit --author=marvinpa (git returned 129) 12:55:12 hmm 12:55:13 %git --author=chris 12:55:13 07MarvinPA02 * 6d2551d67a2b: Remove AC reduction for statue form Gargoyles 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d2551d67a2b 12:55:19 heh 12:55:21 he's trying to catch up... 12:55:40 hmmm, i fell out of the top ten in december 12:55:42 need to get back on that 12:55:57 PleasingFungus: i guess that makes sense we added a ton of members this year 12:56:17 theTower, gammafunk, spicerack, me, reaverb, you, roctavian 12:56:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:56:31 Lasty, right 12:56:39 i thought you and gammafunk started last year 12:56:41 knew i'd forgotten someone 12:56:53 <|amethyst> Lasty 12:56:56 well, we haven't added anyone this year yet :P 12:57:03 |amethyst: ? 12:57:13 <|amethyst> was added in 2014 12:57:26 Lasty, right knew i'd forgotten someone 12:57:29 <|amethyst> oh 12:57:35 <|amethyst> I missed that line, doh :) 12:57:41 i guess "Lasty, right" is a funny order 12:57:53 <|amethyst> who's right? 12:57:54 right, lasty. left, lasty. on every side - lasty! 12:57:57 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:02 gonna pingstorm him 12:58:04 no, Lasty is right, Lasty_ is left 12:58:15 the lasty one in every direction 12:58:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: you do the cheipokey and you turn yourself about? 12:58:29 we also had someone rejoin for a rather short period >_> 12:58:45 2014 was also the closest year to LOC-neutral on record 12:58:58 i assume all others were positive? 12:59:04 2009 was hugely negative 12:59:07 every other year was positive, ya 12:59:11 that was contribs 12:59:20 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the only reasdon it's the least single-dev-dominated year since 2010 is because you joined in May :) 12:59:24 <|amethyst> s/sdo/so/ 12:59:30 pfft 13:00:39 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:20 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3464-gbd92a9a: Don't crash on item_slot when Ash IDs a floor item. 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd92a9a2b7e5 13:02:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:07:59 -!- pwnmonkey_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:14 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:35 -!- zero_one is now known as Sprort 13:18:52 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:29 heh 13:20:40 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:21:43 03doy02 07* 0.16-a0-3465-g53c7d0b: oriflamme -> portcullis 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53c7d0bcb1ab 13:22:37 -!- Guest42202 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:36 oh 13:23:38 *uh 13:23:47 doy: flags can creak, snap, etc (in the wind) 13:24:00 and they can be lowered down their pole, toward the ground 13:24:07 <|amethyst> yeah, but that's not really how the messages worked 13:24:14 <|amethyst> you can't usually hear a flag being lowered 13:24:35 it's an okay change, though I'll miss 'oriflamme' 13:24:44 but the commit message is wrong!!! 13:24:57 <|amethyst> make it into a unrand polearm for orcs 13:25:00 i'm sure we can work in oriflamme somewhere else 13:25:02 (: 13:25:57 i'm working on a game where your character is called ori and you shoot flames at things 13:26:44 It is I, Ori the Flamme. 13:30:22 so how do poeple feel about yellow wasp -> wasp, red wasp -> hornet? 13:30:24 <|amethyst> evilmike: obviously you need Christian theologians at character-creation time 13:30:29 <|amethyst> evilmike: specifically, Origen 13:30:37 doy: I'm still in favor, just don't have a working sed 13:30:43 okay 13:30:45 i'll do that then 13:30:47 :) 13:31:03 |amethyst: Saint Roka of Hippo 13:31:41 <|amethyst> Thomas Acquirement 13:32:22 yellow wasp could be "yellowjacket" too 13:32:25 <|amethyst> that one might need to be nerfed, wikipedia says he was OP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas 13:32:52 <|amethyst> evilmike: that came up before but I think was deemed too much of an Americanism 13:33:04 marvin luther 13:33:27 also imo red wasps should be tarantula hawks 13:33:28 wow rip oriflamme 13:33:58 I really wonder how many players knew what an oriflamme was 13:34:00 because they are actual red wasps irl, and they are badass enough to eat giant spiders irl 13:34:06 which makes them a good video game monster 13:34:43 <|amethyst> the Holy Roman Empire of insects 13:34:58 i knew what an oriflamme was because http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4078&type=card 13:35:25 but that doesn't depict an oriflamme!!! 13:35:32 yeah, well 13:35:42 i looked it up because of that, anyway 13:35:44 (: 13:35:46 admittedly same 13:35:50 <|amethyst> it's *the* oriflamme anyway :) 13:36:23 imo http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=191314&type=card 13:36:27 I had this deck once 13:36:36 oh man, me too 13:36:39 sliver deck 13:36:55 goblins 13:37:01 back in stronghold i think 13:37:07 <|amethyst> a bit later, but I had a Reaper King EDH deck for a while 13:37:10 running goblin grenade and lightning bolt, among other things 13:37:12 that was a silly deck 13:37:15 nice 13:40:31 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:42:01 man, i haven't played mtg in forever. i was talking to someone about it the other day, and was surprised when i found out they stopped printing counterspell 13:42:20 which apparently happened like 10 years ago 13:42:20 haha 13:42:20 <|amethyst> heh 13:42:21 !lg * kmap=st_orc_pillars s=killer 13:42:22 470 games for * (kmap=st_orc_pillars): 187x an orc priest, 116x an orc knight, 82x an orc warrior, 78x an orc high priest, 6x an orc, a deep troll 13:42:32 !lg * orc:4 s=killer 13:42:33 14878 games for * (orc:4): 2091x an orc warrior, 1572x an orc priest, 1280x an orc knight, 679x Saint Roka, 665x an orc high priest, 630x an orc warlord, 523x a sun demon, 487x a sixfirhy, 477x an orc sorcerer, 415x an ogre mage, 365x an ogre, 364x an ettin, 340x a two-headed ogre, 306x, 304x a smoke demon, 297x a stone giant, 276x a troll, 214x an orc, 190x an ice devil, 179x an orc wizard, 167x ... 13:43:23 <|amethyst> evilmike: I guess they also mentioned the new card frames :) 13:45:43 I remember when they changed it from the ugly original one, at least 13:45:57 !seen ontoclasm 13:45:57 I last saw ontoclasm at Thu Jan 1 06:50:36 2015 UTC (12h 55m 21s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 13:46:32 patiently waiting for those card tiles based on all those descriptions I wrangled out of others / brainspace 13:46:41 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:46:46 it's cool how they are still stuck with the same old card back, with the pointless "DECKMASTER" branding 13:47:11 <|amethyst> I remember when Jyhad was renamed and did change the card back 13:47:31 theTower: I am an expert tilesmith. I will make the tiles. 13:48:00 <|amethyst> and the tournament rules were something like "either 100%, 0%, or between 40 and 60% of your deck must use a given back" 13:48:08 <|amethyst> phrased differently, probably 13:48:40 PleasingFungus: tell us, was goblin grenade the inspiration for robin. 13:48:46 no 13:49:09 <|amethyst> evilmike: I think now there are some cards (two-sided) that require opaque sleeves or a proxy to use in a tournament 13:49:10 I hadn't thought about it in years, until oriflamme/coat of arms chat 13:49:18 immo + toss would be a cute/annoying combo, tho 13:49:20 not for that early 13:49:32 <|amethyst> wheals: there was a giant that was closer 13:49:49 i remeber its flavour text had "chuck" 13:50:05 Unknown spell name: 'goblin toss' in 'goblin_toss.50.natural' 13:50:05 %??chuck spells:goblin_toss.50.natural 13:50:39 -!- dark_star has quit [Excess Flood] 13:52:01 pleasingfungus: yes, your art will do well for depicting "something the brain refuses to register" 13:52:14 <|amethyst> wheals: bloodshot cyclops http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=45387 (but there was airdrop condor before that) 13:52:59 <|amethyst> oh, I guess it wasn't before that, it was after 13:56:45 theTower: http://i.imgur.com/ogiC4Pz.png imo choose one <_< 14:00:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:33 -!- prozacelf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:36 -!- prozacelf_ is now known as ProzacElf 14:04:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:09:26 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:10 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:17 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:00 I'm working on developing my own application using curses 14:31:21 does anyone know how I can get colour redinition support under Linux? 14:31:26 *redefinition 14:31:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:36 can_change_color always returns false. 14:32:41 environment: Linux Mint + gnome terminal + libncurses5-dev 14:33:24 oh, nevermind. 14:39:22 -!- fenzil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:23 Amulet of the gourmand gives hunger on removal 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9374 by argonaut 14:45:22 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:47 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:03 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:09 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 15:33:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:37:41 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:17 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:50 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:11 -!- CountOfHearts has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:25 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:50:08 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:36 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:56 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:20 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:54:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:36 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:12 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:50 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:15 -!- twzt_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:54 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:09 -!- SkaryMonx has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:52 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:46 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:46 -!- bcarpe211 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:46 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:46 -!- fenzil has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- twzt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- Devell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- Amnesthesia|Else has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:58 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:09 -!- neunon_ is now known as neunon 16:06:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- timbabwe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- jefkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:10 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 16:14:01 -!- fenzyl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:21 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 16:23:35 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:29:09 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:22 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:06 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:33 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:51 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:17 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:00:31 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:08:10 |amethyst: I've moved the score thing (yes I'm still working on this) into the client, like edlothiol did for lobby; one question here is to what extent we support urls, since the processing of this is handled by the client 17:08:11 http://sprunge.us/bWjI WIP, for anyone who likes looking at vaults 17:08:41 gammafunk: ...we both broke the silence at the same time, after no one else had said anything in three hours 17:08:42 |amethyst: I could support something like "/scores/sprint/meatsprint" as the url, for instance, but the last path component would have to be the internal crawl map name 17:08:54 I'm spooked 17:09:07 PleasingFungus: they know of my plans to assassinate your next Gh 17:09:14 but 17:09:16 !lg . gh 17:09:16 38. PleasingFungus the Timeless (L27 GhWz of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-12-26 03:24:12, with 1890703 points after 54515 turns and 6:26:02. 17:09:21 next gh??? 17:09:34 yes, there *must* not be another PleasingFungus gh with the ORB 17:09:42 no worries on that account 17:09:43 the Dark Circle has commanded this 17:09:43 imo 17:09:52 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:04 day after christmas... 17:10:12 don't eve know what kind of holiday message that is 17:10:49 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3465-g53c7d0b (34) 17:11:17 demonspawn (076) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 23-44 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:11:17 %??demonspawn 17:11:27 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 53-84 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 621 | Sp: battlecry [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:11:27 %??orc_knight 17:11:40 gelid demonspawn (026) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 709 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:11:40 %??gelid_demonspawn 17:11:44 ok there we go 17:12:04 hrm, tbh that's less than even an orc knight 17:12:17 monstrous demonspawn (156) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 92-106 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 956 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:12:17 %??monstrous_demonspawn 17:12:31 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:14:12 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:13 it's cool theme and I like the basic concept,but I think an ordinary non-monstrous demonspawn is not really going to do much gameplay wise 17:14:25 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 17:14:38 all of the classed ones are probably too difficult I guess 17:14:43 maybe you could use one though 17:15:02 putrid demonspawn (036) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-61 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 667 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:15:02 %??putrid demonspawn 17:15:24 idk, monsters roughly on par with orc knights seem relevant in orc 17:15:25 maybe I'm wrong 17:15:38 not as "hey this is the boss" 17:15:51 ya 17:15:52 sure 17:16:04 since you only place one 17:16:04 I was considering a monstrous demonspawn as the boss but hangedman suggested that the focus should be on the orcs 17:16:06 so they're just flavor 17:16:08 uh 17:16:10 I place up to four 17:16:23 ok, well that's better 17:16:36 yeah just a single one will be basicaly tab fodder 17:17:09 it also depends on what weapons you give them, but I'm not sure doing anything there is wise 17:17:16 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:45 yeah were I to do this, I'd be trying to find some nice little way to make them feel different from fighting a "rethemed orc knight", but I'm actually not very sure how well they are differentiated already 17:18:58 presumably the subspecies stuff does that 17:19:20 ??demonspawn 17:19:21 demonspawn[1/4]: A race that is pretty average, but gets 5 semi-random good mutations. Has a 1/10 chance of being {monstrous}. Demonspawn mutations are irrevocable and unalterable, and drawn from a special list. 17:19:24 ??demonspawn[2 17:19:25 ds mutation rules[1/5]: Assuming you aren't monstrous, you get five facets, each consisting of three mutations (which usually just stack together). You will get one scales-type facet, one body-slot facet, two tier 2 facets, and one tier 3 facet. 17:19:27 ??demonspawn[3 17:19:27 demonspawn[3/4]: Demonspawn enemies live in Pan. There are five bases of mutation clumpings and god-based classes, akin to draconians. Monstrous Ds have auxes and high health, gelid Ds have rC++ and 10 ac until hit with fire once, infernal Ds have rF++ and af_fire, putrid Ds heal from any ally deaths in LOS, torturous Ds have spines, augmentation, PbP. 17:19:50 ah those could do something 17:20:11 tbh they probably would matter a lot more in orc:4 then they do in Pan, those facets 17:20:16 i've never noticed the facets 17:20:19 yep 17:20:32 "oh, that one's blue..." 17:20:37 non-classed ds probably should not spawn at all 17:21:10 (in pan) 17:21:17 I thought that was the case; they only show up e.g. the species vaults? 17:21:37 oh, when you say non-classed, you mean e.g. black sun 17:21:40 right 17:21:50 er the opposite of that I guess 17:22:19 i've said here before, i think the "mutation" flavours of enemy ds should all be removed 17:22:26 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:27 and just focus on the priest classes instead 17:22:38 i don't think they work very well overall yeah 17:22:40 the mutation facets just add clutter to the names, they barely have a gameplay effect 17:22:51 compared to say, draconians, who mostly get powerful ranged attacks 17:22:53 much less so than draconians for sure 17:23:16 I guess for bands, we *could* give the priest-ds actual demon escorts instead of the non-classed ds? 17:23:22 yeah 17:23:25 that way the classed demonspawn monsters could actually be called demonspawn, too 17:23:48 because what on earth is a gelid black sun 17:25:45 my position is that there shouldn't be any kind of combination between class & race 17:26:04 their bands already don't have many unclassed demonspawn, they used to have huge bands and it was awful 17:26:05 a black sun should just be a black sun; they're quite complicated enough without the sort-of-like-draconians-but-more-obtuse thing 17:26:34 now i think they get a demon or another classed ds as their band, and maybe 1 nonclassed ds too 17:26:39 wow are ds finally gonna be worth looking at individually when i play now 17:27:12 Change monster holiness into a bitfield. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9375 by ebering 17:42:44 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42:49 -!- elmdor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:17 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:49:51 !learn del multi_holiness[3 17:49:52 Deleted multi holiness[3/4]: ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_NATURAL (special cased in is_beast), aboms/crawlies MH_UNDEAD | MH_DEMONIC (special cased in _fire_kill_conducts) or just pick one 17:49:52 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:05 !learn del multi_holiness[3 17:50:05 Deleted multi holiness[3/3]: Hell Hounds, hell hogs, and hellephants NATURAL | DEMONIC (but should they be beasts?) 17:50:17 !learn del multi_holiness[2 17:50:18 Deleted multi holiness[2/2]: Todo: give relevant monsters multi flags. player multi flags??? 17:50:32 !learn del multi_holiness[1 17:50:33 Deleted multi holiness[1/1]: ebering is working on a patch to make holiness a bitfield. Please add monsters that should have more than one holiness bit to this 17:51:47 oh hm I forgot aboms/crawlies 17:52:00 you will never be forgiven 17:52:40 MarvinPA: fwiw, I'm not super excited about the idea of returning more generic 3s and 4s to pan (re removing non-classed demonspawn) 17:53:00 they're all fodder anyway, but at least demonspawn have corpses 17:55:46 most demonspawn are cannonfodder at that point 17:56:08 most 2s are too o_O 17:56:31 obviously we need explosive ufetubi 17:56:38 yes 17:56:48 theTower: did you see the vault that sparked this conversation 17:58:34 looking at it now 17:59:58 really, not even token demon placements 18:00:42 could toss a couple in the corridors, I guess 18:00:47 instead of the orc wario spam 18:01:21 plain orcs and 5s are roughly analogous >_> 18:03:18 as last time this came up, I'd prefer either a single mutation facet per class for ds, or pf's splitting of the two entirely 18:04:50 what would the difference between wario and orc wario even be 18:05:22 (and once more my mind turns to how to tweak each of the classes, since apparently nobody notices their problems with the fascets part ontop >_>) 18:09:23 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:42 theTower: the plain orc spam is intentional. they're flavor orcs 18:11:01 should give them some gold so they can shop 18:11:15 yes, I mean you can fit low 5 chances into the orcs with no impact 18:11:34 (well, more flavour impact) 18:12:03 also ha ha ha doing that without default_[equipment] arrangements 18:12:05 I was thinking about the guys in the - middle corridor? not-quite-inner corridor? 18:12:27 those warriors, which I only added because I ran the numbers on xp and saw the vault was hilariously light compared to other orc ends 18:12:35 (likewise some of the high priests/sorcerers) 18:12:44 (though I think they don't need replacement) 18:13:04 I am not very concerned about experience from orc 18:13:14 orc:4 gives experience 18:13:20 some 18:13:49 hellwing (154) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 36-57 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 17, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 334 | Sp: teleport other [06!sil], teleport self [06!sil, 04emergency] | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 18:13:49 %??hellwing 18:13:51 it fluctuates wildly because of the heavy plain orc bit on the population thing and the bands as a branch and is much lower after pan 18:13:55 ... 18:13:55 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-39 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 134 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 18:13:55 %??orc warrior 18:13:56 after lair 18:14:01 also after pan 18:14:05 also true 18:14:43 will be back in a bit 18:14:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:27 pan -> orc is my preferred route as well 18:30:53 clearly we need a corresponding orc vault in pan 18:31:00 and a corresponding lair vault in hell 18:32:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:22 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:11:57 -!- rbluntz has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:44 -!- Roland_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:49 -!- mspang has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30:08 -!- ebering has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:34:20 can i resubmit min_nethack yet 19:36:34 -!- rbluntz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:46:18 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:46:49 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:01 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:48 .gmap -tv:<3 19:52:54 103. magicpoints, XL9 NaVM, T:2225 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:52:59 er 19:54:05 !tell magicpoints got you: !lg magicpoints navm place=lair:5 19:54:05 gammafunk: OK, I'll let magicpoints know. 19:54:31 .gmap -tv:<3 -2 19:54:40 102/103. 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FearTheChris, XL11 VSMo, T:9958 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 20:12:16 good power leap usage there 20:12:26 gammafunk: so are you committing min_nethack or not 20:13:15 -!- ebering has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:59 -!- johnf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:58 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:23:13 minmay: tell me about min_nethack 20:25:15 PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10110&p=140639#p140639 20:25:29 heh 20:28:58 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:34 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:27 heh 20:37:37 %git gyre 20:37:37 Could not find commit gyre (git returned 128) 20:37:40 -!- Alexander is now known as Guest31081 20:38:24 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:27 -!- Guest31081 has quit [Client Quit] 20:38:50 "This is a list of often-suggested concepts that will deliberately never be designed for various reasons: Dual wielding" :) 20:38:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:54 mm that vault still amuses me 20:40:17 could only be better with a plus:-3 on the long sword or something 20:40:19 bh: ya 20:41:18 i just stumbled upon the chokoban vault when looking through some vaults earlier 20:41:23 it was pretty funny 20:45:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3466-g214a233: Mark un-id'd staffs blue by default (XuaXua) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=214a233b9526 20:48:31 minmay: oh I get it 20:48:35 nice vault 20:48:45 man, I lost some good knights that way too 20:49:06 well, that early, how good could they have been I guess 20:49:14 let's just say that knights were lost that way 20:49:30 doy: got chokoban two games in a row 20:49:31 pretty sweet 20:49:35 gammafunk: :) 20:49:43 I enjoyed the fruit bh 20:49:51 too bad I think they both died 20:49:57 i just played through some nethack a couple weeks ago 20:50:28 turns out, i can still do all sokoban levels basically flawlessly 20:50:39 so much useless knowledge and muscle memory 20:50:41 (: 20:51:01 very proud 20:51:06 gammafunk: I could replace the fruit with large rocks 20:51:21 imo just force the tile to be chokos 20:51:23 I think that's a thing you can do 20:51:28 !lg * kmap~~pf_ 20:51:29 8. osklington the Whirler (L13 HaHu of Okawaru), mangled by an eight-headed hydra (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:5 on 2014-11-24 01:31:32, with 24796 points after 19301 turns and 3:49:56. 20:52:14 I actually don't think you can do that 20:52:17 since they're items 20:52:39 and there's no custom tile functionality for items, since that would be ultra-terrible 20:52:52 which is almost entirely terrible 20:53:14 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:40 magicpoints: sorry, it was just that I saw this 20:53:56 !lg magicpoints place=lair:5 x=kmap 20:53:57 8. [killermap=gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake] magicpoints the Tainter (L9 NaVM of Zin), annihilated by a komodo dragon on Lair:5 (gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake) on 2015-01-01 22:25:09, with 1925 points after 2225 turns and 0:33:24. 20:54:03 there is custom tile functionality for anubis staves 20:54:39 uncannily terrible 20:54:41 I think that's conditional on the mosnter 20:54:48 It is. 20:54:49 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:56 and anyhow not settable in a vault for sure 20:55:07 feh 20:55:15 man remember 20:55:16 Ashenzari warns you, "Grunt is." 20:55:19 right before fruit reform 20:55:27 there was this guy who submitted a flurry of strawberry tiles 20:55:33 heh, yeah 20:55:42 i still plan to update fruit tiles 20:55:48 roctavian spotted 20:55:53 which tiles do you not plan to update 20:56:02 it drives me crazy that they aren't size-consistent with each other 20:56:02 right? 20:56:03 roctavian: are you trying to burn crawl to the ground or something?! 20:56:29 i have a scratchfile document that basically contains every crawl tile 20:56:44 haha, size-consistent and crawl 20:56:45 by scratchfile i mean a png but you get the idea 20:56:46 that's funny 20:57:12 weapons are consistent by size 20:57:24 -!- bedkrab has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:57:35 we're gradually getting somewhere 21:00:47 also, any thoughts about these gents: http://i.imgur.com/dG2OPuc.png 21:01:06 eustachio is in the top-right 21:01:21 terence bottom-right, edmund top-left? 21:01:22 who are the rest? i think it's figurable 21:01:27 and... maurice bottom-left? 21:01:32 yup 21:01:34 huh 21:01:36 no 21:01:38 o 21:01:42 last one is donald 21:01:43 that's Donald 21:01:44 yeah 21:02:02 same hair, and now his outfit is more like his namesake 21:02:05 oh, i thought it was medieval mega man 21:02:10 huh. someone was talking about how crawl communicates threat through how much of the tile is taken up by the sprite 21:02:21 not exactly true 21:02:23 that donald does not take up much space (and that eustachio takes up a lot!) 21:03:04 roctavian: very important question: 21:03:08 how does that Donald look with 21:03:10 his shield 21:03:22 PleasingFungus: eustachio used to be a big scary threat though. he was an elf unique 21:03:25 not great, but i don't think his shield looks great at present 21:03:29 mmm 21:03:34 minmay: !? 21:03:40 gonna fix it up just a little 21:03:57 PleasingFungus: checkout 0.5 if you don't believe me, he used to appear in elf 21:04:45 i was thinking of making a new harold tile, but every time i start i wonder "will he still be in the game next week" 21:05:08 harold is one of the scariest uniques in the game that isn't in the first few d levels 21:05:20 also, he has unique death lines 21:05:21 !!! 21:05:28 flavor AND mechanics 21:05:30 i do like those 21:05:32 and also the net thing that's finally working 21:05:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:56 norris is a deathwatch unique, but I think harold is reasonably safe 21:06:21 (erica is also iffy but tbh I think she's safe by virtue of the fact that no one remembers she exists) 21:07:24 Harold got considerably more viable when his throwing nets got fixed 21:07:27 you can't remove erica. she's comely! 21:07:37 also I remember Erica 21:07:42 because scimitar of flaming 21:07:45 right 21:07:49 she's more a treasure 21:07:52 ??danei 21:07:52 danei[1/5]: Promised to write Louise/Margery erotic fan-fiction 21:07:58 erica can get you if you're not careful 21:08:01 oh, I thought it was erica/margery 21:09:37 could anything top the sonja/pikel "art" though 21:10:19 ??fanfiction[4] 21:10:20 fanfiction[4/9]: "Duvessa", by minmay (NSFW): http://www.cowmuffins.net/stuff/crawl/duvessa_erotic_on_bed_hires.jpg 21:10:35 !killratio erica * recent 21:10:38 erica wins 1.308% of battles against * (recent). 21:10:41 ehhhh 21:10:49 that's really not bad 21:10:50 she's a little weak for her depth, but having the treasure is good 21:10:52 !killratio harold * recent 21:10:55 harold wins 2.228% of battles against * (recent). 21:11:01 !killratio fannar * recent 21:11:04 fannar wins 1.955% of battles against * (recent). 21:11:11 I mean I'd be fine with a erica buff I guess 21:11:17 idk, I don't so much think that she's overly weak as that she's overly bland 21:11:28 well harold is very bland 21:11:31 she's from the old school of unique design 21:11:39 "toss some random spells at a wall and call it a day" 21:11:44 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:11:53 !send PleasingFungus Jozef 21:11:53 Sending Jozef to PleasingFungus. 21:12:07 harold seems like one of the least bland uniques to me 21:12:23 gammafunk: harold has nets (mechanical gimmick) AND a boat/farm/etc (flavor gimmick) AND bolt of fire in lair (killpower) 21:12:28 his spell set is actually scary 21:12:31 ya 21:12:44 and the nets also serve as treasure 21:12:49 he's the full package 21:12:50 that's just the oppossite of wht you were talkinng about 21:13:02 ? 21:13:09 you said it's not that she's overly weak it's that she's overly "bland" 21:13:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:13:20 as if bland meant something other than being dangerous 21:13:24 it does 21:13:33 she has no obvious mechanical theme 21:13:41 beyond "shitty knock-off sigmund" 21:13:42 mechanical...what 21:13:44 well ignacio is as dangerous as like 2.5 executioners but he's still bland 21:13:49 because he's the same as like 2.5 executioners 21:14:15 gammafunk: she has a bunch of spells that don't really interact in any interesting ways or combine in any meaningful ways 21:14:18 and she has a scimitar 21:14:26 which likewise doesn't interact with her spells 21:14:29 and a cocktail dress 21:14:33 does she still 21:14:36 yes 21:14:50 Erica (06@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 64 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 929 | Sp: b.venom (3d14), mystic blast (3d14), invisibility, confuse, slow, teleport self [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:14:50 %??erica 21:15:02 god, I didn't remember she had venom bolt 21:15:12 if the complaint is that she has "too many spells", sure I guess 21:15:16 she does have a lot 21:15:17 Venom Bolt and Invisibility are the two spells I always remember she has. 21:15:23 for me it's invis and mystic blast 21:15:36 it's like 21:15:46 for me it's invis and the flaming sword 21:15:48 for me it's invis, mystic blast, venom bolt, and confuse 21:15:49 but I'm not sure what all you can expect out of spell combining anyhow 21:15:53 well obviously the flaming sword 21:15:54 haha 21:16:07 ironheart preserver (09p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 60-93 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 1037 | Sp: injury bond, minor healing (2d6) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:16:07 %??ironheart preserver 21:16:10 yeah I think we're kind of just hand-waving here anyhow 21:16:10 I can kind of envision reflavouring Erica as a hydra hunter - keep the scimitar (obv), Invis (can't bite what you can't see), possibly IMB (beat them up from afar from a bit, though most people then are probably using bolt spells from wands) 21:16:21 injury bond and minor healing have some pretty obvious synergy 21:16:21 but if someone wants to make her more "focused" that sounds find to me 21:16:22 *fine 21:16:28 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 30 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 104 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d4), confuse | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:16:28 %??sigmund 21:16:44 what's "combinatorial" about sigmunds spells 21:16:52 if erica's don't combine 21:16:57 maximum new-player killing (invis + confuse) 21:16:58 gammafunk: what's the first thing that happens when a new player encounters Sigmund? 21:17:14 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:16 !lg * recent ckiller=sigmund s=ckaux 21:17:17 20123 games for * (recent ckiller=sigmund): 9171x scythe, 3704x puff of flame, 2981x magic dart, 622x scythe of protection, 485x scythe of venom, 435x, 396x scythe of slicing, 334x wand of flame, 318x scythe of flaming, 317x scythe of freezing, 277x wand of frost, 274x wand of magic darts, 237x scythe of dragon slaying, 201x vampiric scythe, 138x scythe of distortion, 93x scythe of pain, 50x antim... 21:17:19 what's the first thing that happens when new players do anything? 21:17:29 gammafunk: sigmund just has one of the orc wizard spellbooks 21:17:31 it sounds like people want her to have just like "two things" 21:17:38 which is ok 21:17:40 !lg * recent ckiller=sigmund s=ckaux ckaux!~scythe 21:17:41 8035 games for * (recent ckiller=sigmund ckaux!~scythe): 3704x puff of flame, 2981x magic dart, 435x, 334x wand of flame, 277x wand of frost, 274x wand of magic darts, 12x exploding inner flame, 4x ball of steam, 3x wand of cold, 3x wand of draining, 2x mace of chaos, 2x hand axe of chaos, wand of disintegration, wand of lightning, steam, spear of chaos 21:17:45 I didn't name a number, but some sort of mechanical focus would be good, yes 21:17:50 Sigmund is an orc wizard who isn't an orc and has a scythe and more HP 21:17:54 I mean sigmund obviously comes out of the same school of design as erica 21:18:01 the same old random spells mashed together 21:18:05 but by sheer chance, for him 21:18:06 it works 21:18:31 the ranged spells were more important before his scythe got reaching, probably 21:18:41 ironbrand convoker (08p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 39-62 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 643 | Sp: might other, w.recall | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:18:41 %??ironbrand convoker 21:18:47 recall monsters and buff them 21:18:57 !send PleasingFungus Unbelievers 21:18:57 Sending Unbelievers to PleasingFungus. 21:19:02 * PleasingFungus disbelieves! 21:19:16 It sounds like we like uniques a bit later on to just be more strongly themed in terms of their spells 21:19:26 s/uniques a bit later on/monsters/ 21:19:30 but if the complaint is she's weaker than harold, well that's fixable without changing her much 21:19:39 that is not my complaint 21:19:42 as established 21:19:51 what is your complaint 21:20:02 [19:14] PleasingFungus gammafunk: she has a bunch of spells that don't really interact in any interesting ways or combine in any meaningful ways 21:20:18 [19:11] PleasingFungus idk, I don't so much think that she's overly weak as that she's overly bland 21:21:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:21:26 well it just sounds very subjective what statements like that are supposed to mean, but if you come up with something that maybe focuses her spell set a bit more without duplicating some other unique/monster 21:21:28 sounds like we agree that would be good 21:22:11 I remember the Frances haggling that occurred quite some time ago 21:22:14 we almost lost Frances 21:22:45 rip francis 21:23:02 gammafunk: and then cheese got removed anyway, so we don't have any use for all these frances 21:23:08 rip franciz, francis's son with jozef 21:23:21 minmay: that's going straight into tiles chat 21:25:31 Straight Outta Tiles Chat 21:25:43 1learn add reserved_clan_names 21:26:32 roctavian: how does a man get a son from another man 21:26:38 adoption 21:27:01 how did they manage to name him Franciz then 21:27:17 (surprise adoption!) 21:28:02 you can name a kid you adopt. i don't know if there's a cutoff where you can't 21:30:11 !lg * end>=2015 1 21:30:12 1/2532. Ramza the Firebug (L3 DEFE), succumbed to a giant mite's poison on D:3 on 2015-01-01 00:00:40, with 60 points after 1148 turns and 0:04:07. 21:30:25 !hs * end>=2015 1 21:30:25 1/2532. RustyMuffler the Sneak (L1 SpAs), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) on D:1 (ncdulo_wetmaze) on 2015-01-01 00:07:13, with 0 points after 11 turns and 0:00:43. 21:30:28 !hs * end>=2015 21:30:28 2532. cosmonaut the Petrodigitator (L27 GrEE of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-01-01 05:04:38, with 17689509 points after 88049 turns and 9:13:37. 21:30:29 !lg * start>=2015 1 21:30:30 1/2295. pmiller623 the Insei (L2 DgTm), blasted by Sigmund (puff of flame) on D:2 on 2015-01-01 00:02:18, with 25 points after 1123 turns and 0:02:10. 21:30:33 !hs * start>=2015 1 21:30:34 1/2295. RustyMuffler the Sneak (L1 SpAs), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0 club) on D:1 (ncdulo_wetmaze) on 2015-01-01 00:07:13, with 0 points after 11 turns and 0:00:43. 21:30:47 !lg * end>=2015 won 1 21:30:48 1/22. AF8711 the Conqueror (L27 OgHu of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-01 00:17:50, with 1601643 points after 82865 turns and 5:15:22. 21:31:05 !hs * start>=2015 21:31:05 2296. Zooty the Sensei (L27 VSTm of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-01-01 19:13:44, with 1719187 points after 72202 turns and 5:07:05. 21:40:32 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:42 -!- rockygargoyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:34 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:49:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:03 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 21:51:19 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:53:54 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:59:57 hm 22:00:07 I'm wondering if shoals-lite would be a good excuse to break save compat 22:00:12 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:00:37 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:14 shoals-lite? 22:02:47 %git shoals-lite 22:02:47 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3203-g0731a9c: Streamline Shoals 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 189-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0731a9c6d895 22:05:16 when I made that, |amethyst raised the reasonable concern of people becoming perma-stranded 22:05:42 we can fix that by messing around with hatches & vetoes in newly-generated levels 22:06:08 but for old levels...? 22:06:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:06 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:11:28 *starts crawl game* 22:11:37 PleasingFungus: convert all water on old levels to floor, it's the only way to be sure 22:12:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:26 good call 22:13:05 also, unironically, you could probably convert all deep water into shallow water on pre-conversion shoals levels 22:13:10 ugly but workable 22:18:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 22:22:56 ??shoals-lite 22:22:56 I don't have a page labeled shoals-lite in my learndb. 22:23:08 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 22:23:26 -!- rbluntz has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:47 !learn add shoals-lite Tides only go between shallow water & land (never deep water); ten times faster than classic crawl. Modeled off what word of mouth claims Crawl Lite does with Shoals. 22:23:48 shoals-lite[1/1]: Tides only go between shallow water & land (never deep water); ten times faster than classic crawl. Modeled off what word of mouth claims Crawl Lite does with Shoals. 22:23:49 Anyone know of a guide or other resources for wizard mode? Specifically item creation? 22:24:09 it uses the same syntax as vault items, so docs/develop/level/ might be helpful 22:24:12 what exactly do you want to know? 22:25:05 How to add different attributes to created items. 22:25:22 word of mouth 22:25:33 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:39 maybe I should just never talk about anything, ever 22:25:50 22:26:21 i thought crawl lite just had no tides at all 22:26:38 what 22:26:51 I don't think you were the person who talked about it 22:26:51 no, I am pretty sure it has shallow water tides 22:26:55 certainly not the only person 22:27:03 rbluntz: what kind of attributes? 22:27:23 &%dagger ego:flaming plus:5 ident:type 22:27:27 more than pretty sure it has terrain advantage and nerfed merfolk classes to use that 22:27:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3467-gfe061fe: Tweak xv cloud description format 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe061fe2bf07 22:27:34 that's a thing you can do 22:27:34 good old 0.8 lair branches 22:30:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:29 yo 22:33:02 hm, this is odd 22:33:20 this claims that regen/withdrawn make monsters heal exactly 1 hp per turn 22:33:23 same as fast regen 22:33:27 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 58-86 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 976 | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 22:33:27 %??hydra 22:33:28 snapping turtle (03t) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%; swim: 60%) | HD: 10 | HP: 45-75 | AC/EV: 16/5 | Dam: 30(reach) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 251 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 22:33:28 %??snapping turtle 22:33:43 that doesn't sound like a big deal 22:33:48 *once per monster turn 22:34:44 @+PleasingFungus Just random things really, but multiple. Like AC, EV, Strength, MP +4, Clar etc. 22:35:05 oh 22:35:05 artefact properties 22:35:15 I can create items, but they only have one attrib 22:35:20 you need to make them into a randart 22:35:27 there's a function for that listed in &? 22:35:32 then you can tweak the properties somehow 22:35:36 Yeah 22:35:43 But it's not helpful at all 22:35:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 22:35:59 No documentation for all the different options 22:36:04 oh 22:36:07 just &+ choose a thing 22:36:09 and there are quite a few 22:36:16 then &-c and choose a thing 22:36:37 I don't think there are any docs on what artefact properties do, sorry 22:36:44 o 22:36:46 maybe in the manual 22:37:00 yeah https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:manual:rest search for e.g. *tele 22:37:05 that covers most 22:37:22 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:38:54 Excellent, thank you! 22:39:02 np 22:39:03 This should help. 22:39:04 good luck! 22:39:08 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:22 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:47:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:30 are there any circumstances where petrify actually stops creatures from flying? 22:55:02 H monsters probably 22:55:11 I'll test 22:55:51 seems to be doing just fine 22:56:09 hanging out in deep water, extra airstrike damage, etc 22:56:58 I guess it was broken at some point 22:57:12 I had a discussion with someone about it months ago 22:57:19 or was the lev/fly distinction finally removed for monsters 22:57:22 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9161 | Sp: glaciate (10-132) [06!sil], conjure ball lightning [06!sil], major healing [06!sil], tornado [06!sil], blink range [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:57:22 %??lom lobon 22:57:22 where the claim was that it would be too cheap as an "instant kill" 22:57:26 harpy (03H) | Spd: 25 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 19, 14 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison | XP: 620 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:57:26 %??harpy 22:57:30 wow, no it isn't 22:57:34 fuck crawl 22:57:35 I think that was with MarvinPA 22:57:37 actually 22:57:45 re petrify and flying monsters 22:58:05 well someone go remove monster levitation, now that it's identical to monster flight 22:58:05 wha 22:58:10 maybe it wasn't, I'll search 22:58:39 MarvinPA: how do you feel about removing something, just for old times' sake 22:58:52 i could always go for a good removal 22:59:17 i really thought lev/flight was just cosmetic now 22:59:40 looks like it is, though I'm not 100% sure 22:59:41 MarvinPA: yes it appears to be so why is it still a thing, it changes like 2 words in the monster description 22:59:45 i think nothing falls into water when petrified? because petrify is magic, same as paralyse 22:59:52 that was always how i argued for it to be anyway 23:00:07 if it really is just cosmetic then it;'s weird for it to exist at all though yeah 23:00:36 here's something from march where bcadren asks whether petrify makes harpies stop flying, and |amethyst says yes 23:00:57 that's because it did until somebody changed it 23:01:23 didn't realize it was that recent 23:01:25 shoals harpies were the only reason i kept petrify on a few EEs 23:01:51 ah ha it *was* you 23:02:06 but we were talking about nets 23:02:18 and petrify came up as a side thing 23:03:34 oh yeah i think it's definitely cosmetic now because i remember removing the dead code that would insta-kill a flying player when they were petrified over water? 23:03:50 (bat form and dragon form were marked as levitating rather than flying to prevent this from triggering) 23:03:55 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3467-gfe061fe (34) 23:04:13 there's a chance it does something for monsters but not players 23:04:15 not a large chance 23:04:51 i feel like maybe reaverb got rid of the effect on monsters 23:04:56 augh 23:05:02 if that helps find the commit 23:05:26 it's good 23:05:37 i've forgotten how to git, not that i ever was particularly adept 23:07:37 git log --author=reaverb doesn't find anything involving [Pp]etrif[yi] or [Ff]l[yi] 23:07:41 so idk 23:07:52 or [Ll]evit 23:08:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3468-g3fc247e: Don't claim Petrify stops flight 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fc247e238d0 23:08:22 %git ef23590caf89787e64e73b804e762eff01307d52 23:08:22 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1064-gef23590: Don't say "levitation" to the player, ever. 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 9 files, 81+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef23590caf89 23:08:28 this seems to be the closest thing 23:08:37 there was definitely something more recent than that 23:08:52 ya, certainly that description of behaviour is out of date 23:13:16 i guess FL_WINGED does currently have gameplay effects, just barely? 23:13:23 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 23:13:37 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:58 winged stuff doesn't count as airborne if it's caught in a net or paralysed or whatever, but this doesn't actually drown it? but it does make it get knocked back less by knockback beams 23:14:19 tbh that sounds more like a bug than like good behaviour 23:14:37 esp since I think they still take extra damage from airstrike? seemed like it when I was testing (based on the messages) 23:14:42 and winged+caught monsters can be shafted by the shaft card! 23:14:43 just mega inconsistent 23:14:45 haha 23:14:50 right I remember testing that 23:14:55 it was relevant to something 23:15:07 but yeah it seems like there are like, two checks that use actor::airborne 23:15:10 oh god, right, giant eyeballs caught in a net over a shaft 23:15:19 and everything else uses mons_flies or something which would ignore all of this entirely 23:15:31 in conclusion it's all a crazy mess 23:16:26 1learn add crawlcode 23:16:28 i'll try and take a look at it sometime if nobody else does, not today though 23:17:01 no rush, probably 23:20:39 <|amethyst> why don't flying monsters trigger shafts in general? 23:20:49 I guess they probably do now 23:20:52 this was a while ago 23:21:13 the bug was that you could net a monster over the shaft and then the net would fall in without the monster, something like that 23:21:34 !bug 990 23:21:34 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=990 23:22:43 I guess someone should check how much of this is still a thing 23:22:48 probably the lava is 23:23:41 nets work totally different now than they did then i think? entirely feasible that something would break in a different way though 23:23:52 this was true as recent as 0.15 23:23:58 ah ok 23:23:59 as minmay noted (and as I reproduced but didn't bother to note) 23:26:04 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:27:08 wow what's lzot 23:27:19 is that a leak of exciting secrets 23:27:57 lesser zot trap A 23:28:06 one of two new experimental trap types 23:28:22 aha 23:28:45 hrm 23:29:09 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~"shadow trap" s=xl 23:29:10 23 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~'shadow trap'): 3x 2, 3x 3, 3x 7, 2x 9, 2x 1, 2x 8, 2x 5, 6, 14, 10, 18, 20, 17 23:29:15 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~"shadow trap" s=place 23:29:16 23 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~'shadow trap'): 4x D:6, 3x D:3, 3x D:5, 3x D:1, 2x D:4, 2x D:8, D:2, Vaults:4, Depths:3, D:7, Spider:1, Spider:3 23:29:40 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~"shadow trap" s=ikiller 23:29:41 23 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~'shadow trap'): 14x the player character, 2x a shadow trap, a spider, an adder, a jackal, an unseen horror, a hound, a hobgoblin, a crimson imp 23:29:56 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~"shadow trap" ikiller="a shadow trap" 23:29:57 2. NewYearsCrawler the Cleaver (L10 FoFi of Okawaru), slain by a wight (a +1 halberd) (summoned by a shadow trap) on D:7 on 2015-01-01 20:43:54, with 2905 points after 6487 turns and 0:08:56. 23:30:06 confusing 23:30:14 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:16 that's probably a bug 23:31:31 !lg * current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~"shadow trap" ikiller="a shadow trap" s=killer 23:31:31 2 games for * (current trunk vlong>=0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f vmsg~~'shadow trap' ikiller='a shadow trap'): a deep troll, a wight 23:31:37 yeah, bands 23:32:04 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:32:50 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:33:21 no idea how to fix that, tbh 23:35:30 PleasingFungus: I have an idea 23:35:35 let me delve a bit deeper 23:35:38 ! 23:35:48 !gamesby NewYearsCrawler 23:35:48 NewYearsCrawler has played 42 games, between 2015-01-01 01:41:43 and 2015-01-02 04:06:16, won 0, high score 12632, total score 56191, total turns 152908, play-time/day 2:26:05, total time 4:52:10. 23:35:55 !hs NewYearsCrawler 23:35:56 42. NewYearsCrawler the Severer (L12 FoFi of Okawaru), slain by a centaur skeleton (led by Josephine) on D:12 on 2015-01-01 21:54:18, with 12632 points after 12204 turns and 0:25:42. 23:35:56 PleasingFungus: basically you're going to implicitly add_blame in the mgen_data blame field 23:36:00 once I figure out how that will work 23:36:01 ! 23:36:32 oh 23:36:40 I guess what I have in mind isn't going to work very well right now? 23:36:45 ? 23:36:49 it could be done with a tweak to mons_add_blame though 23:37:14 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:52 !source traps.cc:515 23:37:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l515 23:41:55 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:51:34 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:54:06 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:44 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:57:45 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy