00:07:38 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:14 geeze, there might be like two or three crawl commits I'm proud of period 00:09:21 need a win ratio for commits 00:09:50 1killratio 0.16-a0-3402-gdeadbee 00:09:52 the trick is to do extended over 00:10:07 that would indeed be quite the trick 00:10:16 ...and a treat?! 00:10:35 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3401-ga77004b (34) 00:10:45 <|amethyst> %git 0.16-a0-deadbee-gf04ddb56 00:10:45 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-218-gf04ddb5: Swat away bumblebees. 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f04ddb5670f1 00:10:53 <3 00:10:58 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:07 there are a lot of shadow traps 00:12:37 things are lookin' a little glasses shady 00:14:37 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:17:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:23:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 00:23:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3402-ga4e65a5: Treat a player-swapped monster as though it moved (doh) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4e65a52e5b5 00:25:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3403-g8a909d7: Simplify. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a909d726d22 00:26:11 huh 00:26:18 also 00:26:32 would be interesting to grep for the number of times someone has made a fix for apply_location_effects' parameter 00:26:42 <|amethyst> heh 00:26:59 if only we had python's named args... 00:27:34 apply_location_effects(*, prev_pos=origin()) 00:28:18 <|amethyst> (the "obscure rule" I mentioned is maybe not so obscure, since it's what lets you pass rvalues though const reference parameters 00:29:00 <|amethyst> but it's kind of obscure when a function call isn't involved) 00:30:50 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:04 <|amethyst> (and "would have broken" really means "wouldn't compile", since you can't take a non-const lvalue reference to an rvalue) 00:31:56 hrm. thinking about how to handle the book/rod spells thing 00:57:53 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:59:49 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:29 -!- Dynast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:06:50 http://sprunge.us/VTBd this drops all the way out to the ?/ prompt when you hit any key after examining a book/rod spell, rather than just dropping out to the book/rod description. I can't figure out why 01:06:55 going to bed 01:06:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:19:27 -!- sae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:55 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:31:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:31:43 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:32:08 sargx (L15 NaTm) (Orc:3) 01:41:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:13 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:09 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:46:29 %crash * 01:46:47 %crash sargx 01:47:01 !crash * 01:47:06 10780. sargx, XL15 NaTm, T:30807 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sargx/crash-sargx-20141230-073201.txt 01:48:12 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:49:09 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:50:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3404-g18d6519: Don't crash when a summon kills itself with ammo. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=18d6519c0f4a 01:50:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3405-g19dd89a: Handle plurals in more monster item poof messages. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19dd89ad166a 01:50:55 <|amethyst> That first one is sargx's crash 01:58:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:01 -!- theTower has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:06:40 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 02:08:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:43 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:51 -!- CountofHearts has quit [Client Quit] 02:15:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:36 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3405-g19dd89a (34) 02:26:02 -!- fenzil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:48 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:32:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:55 -!- Euph0ria 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##crawl-dev 10:00:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:55 agentgt I talked to grunt about it (I suggested the same thing). He reminded me that the abilities are already pretty strong and IDing items is bordering Ash's thing. And ash has been stepped on a bunch already anyway. 10:02:07 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:00 One thing to keep in mind is that you'll probably be training evo a lot anyway and zapping a lot. So by the very nature of the god you'll probably be zap IDing the changes remaining regularly 10:04:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:48 There's something that needs to be fixed 10:08:50 The breathe steam ability displays this: Dithmenos frowns upon the use of this ability. 10:09:05 While Dithmenos doesn't care about the use of this ability 10:09:21 neat 10:09:25 I think that might be on mantis already 10:09:29 ah 10:09:44 oh, no 10:09:46 !bug 9073 10:09:46 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9073 10:09:59 related 10:10:12 thanks, I didn't know it was on mantis 10:10:40 no that's a different thing 10:10:44 related but different 10:11:01 yeah, in your description it says dithmenos doesn't let you use the ability 10:11:11 when you actually can use it 10:11:38 and there are no messages like "feeling guilty" to warn you about piety loss 10:13:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:13:19 tso also lets you use poison abilities so long as you don't actually poison anything 10:13:34 true 10:13:44 so you can cast venom bolt at nagas and only get penance 10% of the time 10:14:00 or wait, does venom bolt even cause poison status 10:14:05 it dos 10:14:10 it does* 10:14:20 i guess it's 33% now 10:14:39 a nerf to an otherwise-powerful strategy 10:15:53 oh, for heaven's sake 10:16:13 of course, reflecting a poison arrow still gives you penance! wouldn't want to let players poison monsters with that loophole 10:16:20 (but summoning scorpions that poison monsters is fine) 10:16:33 are you absolutely sure about the poison arrow thing 10:16:43 I remember a bug related to that 10:17:53 (also, a little harder to summon scorpions these days... :) 10:17:53 oh, it looks like that was changed, you can reflect them without getting penance now 10:17:56 ya 10:18:00 and it only took 10 years! 10:18:21 (well more like 5) 10:21:42 minmay, as dictator of Crawl Consistency, do you have an opinion on whether steam should count as fire for dith's purposes 10:21:48 I'm leaning toward 'no' 10:22:40 I vote no 10:23:12 does dith care when you kill creatures that can hellfire ? 10:23:25 gives extra piety* 10:24:02 ya. that should probably be true as long as it has "fire" name, tho 10:24:46 *"fire" in the name 10:24:49 firefly 10:24:55 so whats crawl style for bitfields flags 10:25:02 because I see naked & and | and also uses of testbits 10:25:12 and also there's a DEF_BITFIELD macro used only once 10:25:14 PleasingFungus, I don't think I have an opinion either way, I think that mechanic is a completely lost cause for consistency 10:25:31 DEF_BITFIELD is very new and the idea is to use it more than it is 10:25:37 mok 10:25:40 I think |am*thyst is trying to rationalize it, little by little 10:25:42 also it's used twice now, if you update :) 10:25:50 I don't think there's an official style re &| vs testbits 10:25:51 since fire in crawl isn't reliably called fire, doesn't reliably check fire resistance, etc. 10:25:59 rip 10:26:00 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27:48 I mean "cloud of fire" is still different from "cloud of flames" for god's sake 10:29:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:33:53 <|amethyst> testbits only works if you are checking "are all of these bits set" 10:33:56 I have literally never noticed that we have clouds of both fire and flames. 10:34:10 What's the difference/ 10:34:22 <|amethyst> Lasty_: one is a forest fire, the other isn't 10:34:47 oh ok 10:35:05 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3406-ga4773f3: Don't count steam as fiery for Dith (9073) 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4773f3d30b6 10:35:08 <|amethyst> I should probably make a version of testbits that works on bitfield enums 10:36:27 |amethyst: these days forest fires don't spread (right?), so does the distinction matter? 10:36:40 yes they do 10:36:44 Oh. 10:36:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3407-g08d9216: Improve forest fire naming (minmay) 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08d921687a64 10:36:57 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:15 they do not spread (a) in swamp or (b) if you zap an un-id'd wand with dith 10:37:37 |amethyst: did you see http://sprunge.us/VTBd ? 10:38:13 (b) if you zap an un-id'd wand with dith 10:38:14 what the fuck 10:38:38 hm 10:38:41 I guess that can't happen these days 10:38:42 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:45 <|amethyst> probably can in wizmode 10:39:50 <|amethyst> with &I 10:39:54 %git d6375ca08 10:39:55 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-233-gd6375ca: Refactor common penance/piety checks (wheals) 10(4 months ago, 21 files, 69+ 112-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6375ca080db 10:40:02 I'm ok with giving wizmode characters tons of penance 10:40:08 PleasingFungus: now the "terse" description is longer than the "verbose" one 10:40:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: why 0 specifically? 10:40:18 minmay: that's fine 10:40:36 |amethyst: I was already using that for _describe_god() 10:41:07 %git 7e837e58 10:41:07 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-1761-g7e837e5: Only Dithmenos can prevent forest fires! (#8624) 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e837e586be8 10:41:17 minmay: ^ 10:41:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I'm beginning to think this should all be a class rather than having weird parameters like that all over the place :) 10:41:28 |amethyst: I agree completely 10:41:34 hrm 10:41:47 just haven't gotten around to switching it all around 10:42:10 ...by "a class", you mean "GodLookup", "MonsterLookup", etc? 10:42:10 or...? 10:42:55 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:54 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:44 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:45:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:46:20 hm 10:46:22 this code doesn't work 10:47:30 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was thinking just of one class HelpLookup and turning those functions into methods 10:47:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but making those into classes would probably not hurt either 10:48:05 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:48:08 which functions would be on HelpLookup? 10:50:24 <|amethyst> hm, haven't really thought it though 10:52:03 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:52:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3408-gee23a5f: Remove Dith's fire suppression 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee23a5f5542c 10:52:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:19 I have to say I really like Pakellas. He is a game changing god and a great god for extended albeit for sort of a unfair reason: heal wanding recharge. But I think not being able to cast any magic or use spirit shield (although maybe spirit shield is good once you get strong enough) seems to balance it out 11:00:41 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:02:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3409-g9e923a7: _get_spell_description() tweaks 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 55+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e923a7cf05a 11:02:35 agentgt: imo !tell Grunt :) 11:03:20 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:07:03 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:47 if you worship a good god and use a rod of shadows can you get evil things 11:10:59 iirc no 11:11:05 not sure tho 11:11:26 well I think they are not friendly when you use it 11:12:02 someone was saying a day or two ago that tso hated shadow creatures (since using ?summoning in pan did nothing for them) 11:12:07 so I think the summons are suppressed now 11:12:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:28 looks like they are 11:13:19 (since summons inherit your god and currently something unholy worshiping a good god would have is_holy and is_unholy return true 11:13:20 ) 11:16:49 I noticed some bizarre behavior with fedhas on summons particularly summon scrolls and the summon creates zombies 11:17:12 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:18:41 well at least for good gods the right thing happens 11:19:13 fedhas is a very good god. 11:20:09 I mean good as in is_good_god(GOD_NO_GOD) 11:20:22 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: actually, it's is currently possible to view stuff when the player doesn't exist 11:20:41 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:21:46 |amethyst: but not through that codepath, I think 11:21:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:22:04 I am aware that you can ?/ while the player doesn't exist (which is why I added that check) 11:22:10 but ?/ doesn't currently use that code 11:22:17 <|amethyst> oh 11:22:19 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:23 <|amethyst> I see 11:22:31 wait for my next commit :) 11:24:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3408-gee23a5f (34) 11:26:14 god, so many functions using char* around here 11:26:22 (non-const, heap-allocated char*...) 11:26:36 ahahaha and it's fixed width with no checks, of course 11:28:34 <|amethyst> ? 11:28:43 <|amethyst> I only see 'new char' in sqldbm.cc 11:29:00 failure_rate_to_string() (I'm rewriting it to use a string now) 11:29:19 "new" is way too advanced for this 11:29:20 <|amethyst> ugh, malloc 11:29:25 malloc! 11:33:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3410-g473ecc3: Adjust some Ru messaging (#9348) 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=473ecc3498e3 11:33:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3411-g5882e2b: Improve Lugonu wrath description 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5882e2b95c9d 11:33:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.16-a0-3412-gea6b173: Add a note when drawing the Focus card (#8940) 10(10 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea6b1737c690 11:34:24 malloch, an ancient and terrible god... 11:36:47 <|amethyst> god of the sea 11:39:18 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:42:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:43:13 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3413-g25bb7f8: Don't use malloc'd char* for fail rates 10(6 minutes ago, 9 files, 23+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25bb7f864248 11:43:59 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: err 11:44:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that's bad 11:44:06 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh 11:44:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: never mind 11:44:12 ? 11:44:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I read .str() as .c_str() 11:44:33 rip 11:48:37 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:49:04 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:15 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:21 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:54:11 PleasingFungus: have you seen the GDD thread on shadow traps? 11:54:14 -!- joy199 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 11:54:47 no 11:54:49 will take a look in a sec 11:56:46 some reasonable points and some whining 11:56:48 so, gdd 11:56:56 hm 11:58:22 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:31 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3414-g7355a4b: Utterly destroy _append_books() 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 76+ 68-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7355a4bed5e6 12:02:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:04:07 annihilate imo 12:07:22 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:50 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3415-ga6bbd2f: Remove d:1 and d:2 shadow traps 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6bbd2f04ba0 12:08:50 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3416-gc389783: Don't let shadow trap summons follow between levels (celem) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c389783348ea 12:09:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:09:44 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re that XXX comment, you could call random_choose_weighted anyway 12:10:44 ? 12:10:44 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it returns nullptr if the sum of the weights is zero 12:10:50 o 12:12:37 <|amethyst> also, the spacing before } there is inconsistent 12:12:50 oops 12:13:06 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3417-gd59ef35: Improve trap type generation (|amethyst) 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d59ef35f6354 12:14:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:18:13 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3418-g08adb8f: Decrease the number of early traps 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08adb8f52701 12:18:34 -!- t4nk289 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26:50 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:46 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:50 now you can make them trigger when they first come into los 12:27:51 right? 12:29:19 I think we talked about this before. still kind of a weird idea for shafts. but I guess it's no different 12:29:34 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30:18 zot traps are the only ones I'd not really want to work this way 12:30:25 oh, I should despoil a vault while I'm thinking about it 12:30:28 -!- TruthSerum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:30:37 <|amethyst> That does mean you probably need to remove permanent teleport traps 12:30:47 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:04 <|amethyst> since otherwise they will very likely disconnect the level 12:31:11 the logic here would probably be "either reveal or reveal and trigger the trap when it's seen" 12:31:23 not "every time you see a trap, trigger it" 12:31:26 that would be my approach 12:31:56 this is essentially the same as the current mechanic for one-shot traps (as long as you aren't doing goofy stuff like tracking every tile you move on) 12:32:17 and as long as vaults aren't being spoilery 12:32:47 |amethyst: it's only for triggering unknown traps 12:32:54 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:30 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3419-g23e3f86: Add tiles to ?/F 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23e3f86bbace 12:33:43 PleasingFungus: I was thinking of "trigger and reveal every unknown trap", a chance to just reveal it without triggering seems like unnecessary complexity since you could get almost the same effect by...generating fewer traps 12:33:51 nah 12:33:56 traps as tactical terrain 12:34:04 zot traps matter even after they're known 12:34:17 unless it's blocking a zot:5 lung it really doesn't 12:34:27 they affect where you choose to fight 12:34:36 i think i just ru stunned a black bear that was 3 tiles away from me, is that meant to happen 12:34:48 ahaha I bet I know what happened 12:34:55 I bet you the bear tried to cast berserk rage 12:34:57 did it try to cast berserk and bail out because yes 12:35:12 probably ru shouldn't prevent innate spellcasting 12:35:19 check the flag on the monspell, etc 12:35:22 not sure where the relevant code is 12:36:11 <|amethyst> IMO it's a pretty big difference if every time you go to a new level in Spider you are caught by several webs 12:36:22 hm. I forgot about webs 12:37:19 web traps don't quite have this problem since iirc webs grow back over time? I could swear I read this once 12:37:19 so even tracking which spaces you've moved in doesn't guarantee safety 12:37:19 <|amethyst> webs in Spider are placed over time 12:37:19 ya 12:37:19 <|amethyst> or at least used to be 12:37:19 not any more they're not 12:37:19 o 12:37:19 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:19 <|amethyst> ah 12:37:19 hm 12:37:26 <|amethyst> also, there are lua traps 12:37:39 <|amethyst> spider trap is much less threatening if it triggers at the edge of LOS 12:37:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:38:19 spider trap is very silly and not a huge loss 12:38:27 likewise the grate trap, the phial/cloud trap, etc 12:38:28 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:38 oh 12:38:49 alternately, trigger it on top of you (but that doesn't work so well for grate trap) 12:38:54 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:00 since the idea is that it's a virtual trap, schroedinger's trap 12:39:10 (likewise, the alarm noise from alarm traps would be on top of you...) 12:40:36 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 12:42:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:00 did you know that if an illusion is made of you in statue form it is nonliving but if you're in lich form it comes out natural???? 12:46:21 (this is so you can't Dispel your lichform illusion) 12:46:41 <|amethyst> huh? 12:46:46 <|amethyst> but you can torment it etc instead 12:46:53 is that really a deliberate thing 12:46:54 yea 12:46:55 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47:06 !source mon-clone.cc:140 12:47:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-clone.cc;hb=HEAD#l140 12:47:47 amazing 12:47:47 <|amethyst> err 12:47:50 <|amethyst> also 12:48:10 <|amethyst> how does this interact with transformed vampires? 12:48:24 probably ridiculously 12:48:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:51 [ds] made some interesting design decisions 12:49:02 <|amethyst> sssnnnaaarrrkkk 12:49:07 * PleasingFungus hisses. 12:49:22 -!- TruthSerum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:49:49 yea if you are a bloodless vampire in lichform your illusion is natural but if you are a bloodless vampire your illusion is undead 12:50:09 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:51:07 <|amethyst> ebering: I bet if you are a vampire in batform or treeform your illusion is also natural 12:52:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:19 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:52:28 yes 12:52:37 <|amethyst> anyway, if you're in lichform and have dispel undead, doesn't that mean your illusion can dispel you? 12:52:46 <|amethyst> I guess the idea is that you could leave lichform immediately 12:52:46 yes 12:52:55 <|amethyst> whereas your illusion cannot 12:53:11 this seems like a dumb special case 12:53:20 somehow i don't think players who have lichform by the time they're fighting mara are a case that needs to be particularly worried about 12:53:37 can monsters use phantom mirrors? 12:53:44 <|amethyst> I was about to ask the same thing 12:53:53 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3420-gb95a3aa: Add tiles for ?/G 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b95a3aaa8a91 12:54:15 I believe not 12:54:20 PleasingFungus: do you think the negative resistance change should be in the changelog 12:54:45 uh. hrm. I'd lean toward no 12:54:55 since it's not really something that was visible to begin with 12:55:32 i just thought it would be the kind of thing that people would argue about whether it was ever the case and if so did it change :) 12:55:42 <|amethyst> player taking more damage on average is visible, though I guess it's not obvious from just a single roll 12:56:06 player takes less damage 12:56:14 well 12:56:18 <|amethyst> yeah, more damage previously 12:56:18 I'll put it in the wordpress but not the changelog 12:56:20 I think 12:58:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:00:51 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:37 !tell pleasingfungus i'm fairly sure that monster summoning spells are capped, you might want to see that in-game 13:03:38 wheals: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:03:44 almost wrote pelasgianfungus 13:04:27 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:58 <|amethyst> wheals: one problem there is that sometimes we lie and you can have more 13:06:04 <|amethyst> wheals: e.g. bands from Shadow Creatures 13:06:23 yeah, and abom/tmons separate caps 13:19:09 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:21 -!- Philonous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:52 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:34 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:23:48 !source mon-util.cc:622 13:23:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l622 13:23:50 crawlflesh 13:33:05 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:34:38 Add two bonus skill titles for player demonspawn 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9369 by RBrandon 13:36:28 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:21 can vaults place monsters with weird spellsets 13:41:42 <|amethyst> yes 13:49:22 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:00 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:38 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:06:36 hm. in making MH into a bitfield should demonspawn become MH_NATURAL | MH_DEMONIC 14:06:44 it would fix a lot of special casing I've seen here and there 14:09:17 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:36 <|amethyst> there is the question of what to do about polymorph 14:14:55 so what I've currently done is a valid polymorph is one with overlapping holiness 14:15:18 making ds natura/demonic would let them polymorph into demons as well as other natural things 14:15:29 <|amethyst> does that mean shapeshifters will turn into demons eventually? 14:15:49 <|amethyst> or do they use MH_NATURAL regardless 14:15:53 dunno 14:16:13 <|amethyst> also not sure about vampiric drain 14:16:35 -!- halberd has quit [Client Quit] 14:16:48 I'm leaving it as-is for now but it's a possibility 14:17:01 <|amethyst> but in principle it sounds good 14:17:02 that could just be made rN+ 14:17:02 imo 14:17:02 <|amethyst> wheals: well, there is also backlash 14:17:18 <|amethyst> wheals: which happens only with undead and demons (and can only happen if they're invisible to you) 14:17:24 <|amethyst> s/can only/AFAIK can only/ 14:17:37 could make that rN+ too! better hope that orc's robe isn't positive energy! 14:17:47 <|amethyst> servitors can be MH_HOLY | MH_DEMONIC 14:17:49 <|amethyst> err 14:17:56 <|amethyst> MH_HOLY | MH_UNDEAD rather 14:18:47 <|amethyst> though I guess that means the checks for ely penance etc need to check "holy and not undead|demonic" rather than just "holy" 14:19:01 <|amethyst> but I think most holiness checks will need to be reviewed 14:19:43 I've been reviewing them 14:19:49 (this is where I've been getting today's trivia) 14:19:54 <|amethyst> :) 14:23:18 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 14:23:31 -!- Belest has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:23:44 also death cobs MH_UNDEAD | MH_PLANT 14:23:52 though maybe not 14:24:07 Fedhas might have something to say about it 14:25:14 also death caps! 14:32:00 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32:12 -!- odiv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:44 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43:06 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:52:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:56:00 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:58:59 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:08:19 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:31 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:12:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:34 <|amethyst> also have to be careful not to give double piety for killing aboms 15:18:41 hitting a demon with a vampiric weapon should have a 60% chance of doing damage to you 15:19:39 oh wow 15:19:52 somebody needs to make a vault with catlobes and manticores 15:20:12 unknown monster: "catcore" 15:20:12 <|amethyst> %??catcore 15:20:16 unknown monster: "mantilobe" 15:20:16 <|amethyst> %??mantilobe 15:20:27 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20:31 mantoblepas 15:25:59 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:39 is there any save compat needed for monster_info_flags 15:30:11 nevermind 15:31:11 <|amethyst> for reference, the answer is yes 15:31:30 <|amethyst> mi.mb is the first thing in marhsallMonsterInfo 15:48:55 -!- Maera has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:14 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:47 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:04:01 -!- Maera has left ##crawl-dev 16:05:33 rekt touched save compat anyway 16:05:56 unmarshallUnsigned doesn't JustWork with a bitfield defined by DEF_BITFIELD 16:05:58 :( 16:06:13 though I don't see why it would 16:06:20 or why I would expect that beyond hope 16:07:37 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:54 -!- Whistling_Bread has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:22 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:14:48 <|amethyst> ebering: you can do uint64_t flags = unmarshallUnsigned(th); field.flags = flags; 16:17:51 !tell grunt the evoke 6mp mutation is god awful with Pakellas. Its practically game ending mutation and I died on the orb run because of it 16:17:51 agentgt: OK, I'll let grunt know. 16:18:09 <|amethyst> agentgt: it's now 3 MP for the first level at least 16:18:19 <|amethyst> but I imagine even that is terrible 16:19:15 6/12/18 seemed completely absurd yeah 16:20:03 well I had a really buff character for ko goes and he died on the orb run because I ran out of magic. I was going to kill things but things I had to kill were massively powerful 16:20:35 plus atleast on the experimental branch I had angels coming to kick my ass 16:20:46 seraph 16:20:56 they've been able to show up for a bit i think 16:21:00 yeah that's just a relatively recent trunk change 16:22:18 all things considered the design for pakellas is actually very good. the magic limitation and mp on kill balances out the constant wand of healing. 16:23:06 he could be a highly effective extended game god if you don't get evoke mutation 16:26:41 -!- iFurril has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:33 it would be nice if anti-magic didn't effect your mana pool for pakellas. Its just sort of annoying switching back and forth with antimagic with pakellas. I would even argue that you should get anti-magic protection with pakellas as the MP is not really magic anymore (since he hates magic it would be ironic to use "magic points") 16:32:15 |amethyst: is unmarshallUnsigned really guaranteed to be 64 bits? 16:32:19 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39:10 <|amethyst> wheals: it returns a uint64_t 16:39:38 <|amethyst> it's usually used for smaller things, though 16:40:12 <|amethyst> it's stored in a reasonably efficient way (leading 0 bytes are skipped) 16:40:53 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Quit: Having his crunching of his eye, nor my wicked Noah's ark. Cribbed and fright and again politely bidding him down, as far more abundantly supplied than usual.] 16:41:12 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:42 <|amethyst> I guess I could write a marshallBitfield and unmarshallBitfield 16:43:09 <|amethyst> would make them members, except enum_bitfield is in enum.h and I don't want to make enum.h pull in package.h etc 16:45:08 -!- causative has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:47 <|amethyst> the encoding thing in fact means that, for unsigned data of less than 21 bits, marshallUnsigned is more filesize-efficient than marshallInt, despite the former being 64-bit and the latter 32-bit 16:47:07 <|amethyst> s/21/22/ (less than or equal to 21) 16:47:24 wha 16:47:29 these do not seem like very good name 16:47:31 s 16:49:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:53 <|amethyst> wheals: you mean unmarshallInt returning int32_t instead of int? :) 16:50:16 <|amethyst> unmarshallIntIfAllTheWorldsAVax() 16:50:22 does unmarshallShort at least return a short 16:50:37 <|amethyst> no, int16_t 16:51:34 i was about to say that i don't know whether numbers are allowed in function names but random2 16:53:19 -!- fearitsel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:13 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:24 -!- CacoS has quit [] 16:58:58 !learn add multi_holiness ebering is working on a patch to make holiness a bitfield. Please add monsters that should have more than one holiness bit to this 16:58:59 multi holiness[1/1]: ebering is working on a patch to make holiness a bitfield. Please add monsters that should have more than one holiness bit to this 16:59:45 !learn add multi_holiness evil priests/wizards, unholy priests/wizards (even if they only sometimes have a bad spell) should get the new MH_EVIL, MH_UNHOLY respectively 16:59:46 multi holiness[2/2]: evil priests/wizards, unholy priests/wizards (even if they only sometimes have a bad spell) should get the new MH_EVIL, MH_UNHOLY respectively 16:59:50 reapers? :V 17:00:41 vine stalkers? 17:01:03 oh I haven't even thought about players yet 17:01:59 !learn add multi_holiness demonspawn MH_NATURAL | MH_DEMONIC (don't count piety twice), servitors MH_HOLY | MH_UNDEAD (watch ely conduct), death caps/cobs MH_UNDEAD | MH_PLANT (fedhas buff) 17:01:59 multi holiness[3/3]: demonspawn MH_NATURAL | MH_DEMONIC (don't count piety twice), servitors MH_HOLY | MH_UNDEAD (watch ely conduct), death caps/cobs MH_UNDEAD | MH_PLANT (fedhas buff) 17:02:36 !learn add multi_holiness ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_UNDEAD (special cased in is_beast) 17:02:37 multi holiness[4/4]: ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_UNDEAD (special cased in is_beast) 17:02:51 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:53 before I do the work on these I'd like some thoughts on if they're good ideas 17:03:11 ...why are apis undead 17:03:13 why are apis undead? 17:03:14 what's undead about apis 17:03:18 wait that should be natural 17:03:19 . 17:03:22 xD 17:03:46 !tell roctavian hippogriffs need a shadow 17:03:46 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 17:03:47 lol 17:03:52 !learn edit multi_holiness[4 s/apis.*/apis MH_HOLY | MH_NATURAL (special cased in is_beast) 17:03:52 multi holiness[4/4]: ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_NATURAL (special cased in is_beast) 17:05:10 ontoclasm: reapers as DEMONIC | UNDEAD? 17:05:12 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:24 reaper nerf 17:05:34 ebering: i was mostly joking 17:05:53 i mean, they could be, but there's nothing particularly undead about them other than that they look like skeletons 17:07:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:11:11 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:30 !tell roctavian Also, I think it might be good to go through and give all stone/metal in the game a consistent shape (beveled blocks for stone, two bars for metal). Any thoughts? 17:11:31 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let roctavian know. 17:14:40 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 17:17:49 -!- Monchi_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:55 <|amethyst> !learn edit multi_holiness[$] s/$/, abominations MH_UNDEAD | MH_DEMONIC (special cased in _fire_kill_conducts) or just pick one 17:18:55 multi holiness[4/4]: ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_NATURAL (special cased in is_beast), abominations MH_UNDEAD | MH_DEMONIC (special cased in _fire_kill_conducts) or just pick one 17:19:51 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:20:03 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:49 <|amethyst> !learn edit multi_holiness[$] s@abominations@aboms/crawlies@ 17:20:50 multi holiness[4/4]: ghost crabs MH_NATURAL | MH_UNDEAD (already special cased for their flames), apis MH_HOLY | MH_NATURAL (special cased in is_beast), aboms/crawlies MH_UNDEAD | MH_DEMONIC (special cased in _fire_kill_conducts) or just pick one 17:22:26 are you adding MH_ELDRITCH 17:22:48 while I'm messing with things I don't see why not 17:22:51 seems needed 17:23:36 right now the various abyss things are nonliving 17:23:40 but so are gargoyles 17:24:50 <|amethyst> oh that's another 17:25:01 <|amethyst> at least player gargoyles -> MH_NATURAL | MH_NONLIVING 17:25:16 -!- xordid has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:25:17 hell hounds could maybe be NATURAL | DEMONIC 17:25:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:25:39 currently is_beast returns no for them 17:25:54 raiju too i assume 17:25:57 raiju (11h) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 29-50 | AC/EV: 4/14 | Dam: 1111(elec:7-9) | see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 11elec+++, 08blind | XP: 263 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d14) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:25:57 %??raiju 17:26:01 <|amethyst> see mons_is_demon also 17:26:08 nm, they're just dogs i guess 17:26:12 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3420-gb95a3aa (34) 17:26:27 <|amethyst> it distinguishes between "demon" and "demonic", the former being more restrictive 17:26:32 mm 17:26:50 |amethyst: messing with the player seems like it will have weirder more sweeping effects 17:27:45 I'm putting it off 17:28:08 <|amethyst> they were given MH_NONLIVING without much regard for sweeping effects :) 17:28:11 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 17:28:26 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:06 but !learn add multi_holiness[5 Hell Hounds and Hell hogs NATURAL | DEMONIC 17:29:13 !learn add multi_holiness[5 Hell Hounds and Hell hogs NATURAL | DEMONIC 17:29:13 multi holiness[5/5]: Hell Hounds and Hell hogs NATURAL | DEMONIC 17:29:17 spacebar is not enter 17:29:25 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:26 ??monsters 17:29:26 monsters[1/4]: The most up-to-date code for %?? and %? can be found at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git , or clone from http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git , branch 'bleeding-edge-crawl'. 17:30:10 <|amethyst> ebering: changes to monsters can have sweeping effects too, though 17:30:19 Hi there! 17:30:19 !learn edit multi_holiness[5 s/ and.*/, hell hogs, and hellephants NATURAL | DEMONIC (but should they be beasts?)/ 17:30:20 multi holiness[5/5]: Hell Hounds, hell hogs, and hellephants NATURAL | DEMONIC (but should they be beasts?) 17:30:33 Anyone knows that web page which lists monsters glyphs and stats? 17:30:43 it was useful for vault making 17:31:20 |amethyst: thats why the first ones on my list are ones that are already special cased and hacky 17:31:39 <|amethyst> ebering: e.g. demonspawn are one of the few non-demonic non-undead things in Pan, so depending on what cares about == MH_DEMONIC vs != MH_NATURAL, that could have a big effect for some players 17:31:46 just from randomly browsing through, i don't see why there's special casing in mons_demon_tier 17:32:06 for non-antaeus C, it returns 0 17:32:11 for antaeus, it returns... 0 17:32:32 <|amethyst> no, for antaeus it returns -1 17:32:33 <|amethyst> but 17:32:48 he's a C though 17:32:56 found it, sorry for intrusion! 17:33:27 <|amethyst> dpeg: where is it? since I wasn't sure which thing you were talking about 17:34:26 ??glyphs 17:34:27 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 17:34:30 this one does it 17:34:32 <|amethyst> ahh 17:34:39 <|amethyst> you said 'stats' so I thought that wasn't it :) 17:34:56 also, for some reason I get commit announcements in bursts, and it's looking really good! 17:35:04 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3421-g06d1366: Add tiles to ?/K 10(65 seconds ago, 2 files, 19+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06d136634c0d 17:35:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3422-gbea8b92: Comment a fall-through (ontoclasm) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bea8b9227689 17:35:13 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: ^^ 17:35:27 [I may inquire at some time about showing monster AC/EV in xv, but I'd have to look at it in-game beforehand] 17:35:44 <|amethyst> dpeg: ? 17:35:49 <|amethyst> dpeg: about showing them in more detail? 17:35:52 |amethyst: aha 17:35:56 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:05 dang fall-throughs 17:36:06 <|amethyst> dpeg: we started showing them a few months long ago 17:36:10 <|amethyst> s/long // 17:36:24 thanks 17:38:03 <|amethyst> dpeg: also, MR success rates in hex targetters and in monster spell descriptions (xv the monster then press the spell letter) 17:41:56 -!- SANIC has quit [Client Quit] 17:42:07 <|amethyst> hm, should demonspawn be tier 6 and satisfy mons_is_demon 17:42:12 <|amethyst> if they're being made |MH_DEMONIC 17:43:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:20 <|amethyst> oh, I guess that would let some demon summoning get them 17:44:05 <|amethyst> and would give them claws instead of hands for ::hand_name, and not much else 17:52:54 |amethyst: MR success rates are okay with me... my issue with monster AC/EV is that these numbers are completely different to player AC/EV. So in principle we'd have to explain what they mean... which probably we don't want to :) 17:53:09 it doesn't display numbers, it displays bars 17:53:34 which works okay i think although imo they're pretty ugly 17:53:38 edlothiol: I have a lot of the webtiles-server-side plumbing done to get a score page navigation view likke you see on the lld server homepage, but looking at this, it might be nicer to move the rendering of the dropdown into js as opposed to using a tornado template 17:53:51 MarvinPA: ah, alright 17:53:54 !locate dpeg 17:53:55 dpeg was last seen on CDO (dpeg, L14 SpAs of Gozag). 17:54:03 ^ should be playing this guy a bit more :) 17:54:08 !seen dpeg 17:54:08 I last saw dpeg at Tue Dec 30 23:54:03 2014 UTC (5s ago) saying '^ should be playing this guy a bit more :)' on ##crawl-dev. 17:54:33 edlothiol: any general pointers on where I'd integrate this? This is the template that the lld admin wrote to render the score page navigation: https://github.com/dplusplus/patched-dcss-webtile/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver/templates/scoreform.html 17:55:20 edlothiol: I can figure it out by carefully going through the lobby code, but I don't really know all the js apis so it's a bit slow going 17:56:16 Aha! Is now a good time to ask for a shred of devblog blurb to explain what's been going on behind the curtains, on the technical level? (If you drop me some terms, I can make a first version. I recall about C++11, and something new about tiles. I think there was a third bit.) 17:56:16 SDL2 would be the tiles one 17:56:16 and 17:56:20 I can't remember the third either, but if I dig around in the logs a bit I can come up with something. 17:56:23 I added jormungandr tile, which pretty much changed crawl development forever 17:56:59 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:07 * ontoclasm encircles the world!! 17:57:11 well a third would be webtiles-changes, but that's not fully rolled out yet 17:57:26 and there was bh's domino thing, but that's also not done 17:57:49 discussion of changing authentication, but technically that's not even started yet 17:58:08 yeah, that's very important, but we haven't' started yet 17:58:26 s/t'/t/ 17:59:00 mm, were the scoring scripts reworked? 17:59:32 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:08 dpeg: 18:00:10 dpeg: Travis 18:00:13 that was the third 18:00:16 Grunt: many thanks! 18:00:16 ah yes 18:00:30 re scoring, no, that's a thing that could maybe happen, but I'm not sure we have definite plans yet 18:00:53 I think it'd be really cool to have a short statement about it. It's something most players don't see, but might still be interesting for some to hear about. (jpeg visited us during the last days, and she agreed :) 18:01:34 ??travis[2 18:01:34 travis[2/2]: Travis can't be bargained with. Travis can't be reasoned with. Travis doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And Travis absolutely will not stop, ever, until your project is dead. 18:01:52 <3 18:02:39 rip travis spam 18:03:17 btw, what is this [ci....] that ends some commit messages? 18:03:19 it's a travisty 18:03:30 dpeg: telling travis not to test the build 18:03:45 dpeg: since the commit doesn't change anything that could break the build 18:04:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:29 thx 18:04:57 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:58 * dpeg will definitely forget to add this whenever he comes up with another minimal commit 18:07:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:07:47