00:00:06 only 9 people have beaten all of the sprint maps 00:00:13 hm 00:00:15 not really many bands 00:00:20 getting a jackal pack from this would be unpleasant 00:00:41 <|amethyst> maybe there should be a bandless version of the spell? 00:00:47 this could be that 00:00:51 <|amethyst> or a flag to the function anyway 00:00:58 let me check something 00:01:11 <|amethyst> on D:1, how often does SC give you adders? 00:01:56 http://i.imgur.com/UUvzD0f.png none thus far 00:01:59 and only one jackal pack 00:02:28 spawned another two dozen, still no adders 00:02:29 <|amethyst> yeah, I think a D:1 player can generally handle a single casting of D:1 shadow creatures 00:02:35 <|amethyst> particularly if it's low-duration 00:02:55 <|amethyst> yeah, I haven't seen any adders yet out of 3 screenfulls (one ball python) 00:03:12 <|amethyst> s/screenfulls/rangefulls/ 00:03:14 btw this goes through create_monster(), which is a nightmare to try to do anything with 00:03:40 I'm looking at the mon-cast version of shadow creatures - I expect the player version is similar 00:03:49 so idk how practical it would be to rule out bands even if we wanted to 00:03:56 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:56 The build was fixed. (master - 628a0c2 #1263 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/45126946 00:03:56 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:04:02 :) 00:04:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think you'd just clear out MG_PERMIT_BANDS from the mgen_data flags 00:04:21 oh shit 00:04:24 hrm, for a shadow creatures trap, how would this be functionally different from just encountering a random spawn on the level? aside from the fact that it rather annoyingly gives no xp 00:04:24 I fucked up my copy-paste 00:04:45 most spawns don't appear right next to you 00:04:50 unless you're in abyss I guess 00:05:12 <|amethyst> oh hm 00:05:18 (well, "within a few tiles", since this is standard monster close placement) 00:05:26 <|amethyst> shadow creatures doesn't have MG_PERMIT_BANDS 00:05:39 ? 00:05:40 <|amethyst> I'm confused 00:05:46 The player spell certainly can generate bands... 00:05:50 I definitely ..yeah 00:06:43 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3317-geb1eda5: Fix new trap weights 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb1eda5d4c25 00:08:38 <|amethyst> oh right 00:08:50 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:08:51 <|amethyst> resolve_monster_type on a random monster can add MG_PERMIT_BANDS 00:08:54 <|amethyst> see place_monster 00:09:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3316-g43078d2 (34) 00:09:24 <|amethyst> err, resolve_monster_type doesn't add it itself, but sets a flag outparameter saying to do so 00:09:40 oh, I missed the cszo rebuild time 00:09:44 oh well, might be for the best 00:09:50 !lg * recent !boring god!= s=god% -graph:pie 00:09:53 279509 games for * (recent !boring god!=): https://shalott.org/graphs/298adee104679ca86d29cc2f2b98757c97c98cd1.html 00:09:55 <|amethyst> could add a new mgen flag 00:09:59 (just working on save compat right now) 00:09:59 <|amethyst> MG_PREVENT_BANDS 00:11:00 <|amethyst> then say if (want_band && !(mg.flags & MG_PERMIT_BANDS)) 00:11:23 !lg * current trunk !boring god!= s=god% -graph:pie 00:11:25 69096 games for * (current trunk !boring god!=): https://shalott.org/graphs/839002d91e33631ea688ea006e19920d4c3526e4.html 00:11:39 hahaha, zot traps used to remain hidden after being triggered, even when in LOS? 00:11:45 fuckin' crawl 00:11:50 yes 00:12:00 <|amethyst> there is code specifically to prevent okawaru from sending sheep after you 00:12:14 <|amethyst> @crawlcode _okawaru_random_servant 00:12:24 oh 00:12:26 I remember seeing that 00:12:28 !source _okawaru_random_servant 00:12:28 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc;hb=HEAD#l159 00:12:39 when I was doing rewrites of god wrath code 00:13:00 !send |amethyst https://twitter.com/crawlcode/status/495702836504567808 00:13:00 Sending https://twitter.com/crawlcode/status/495702836504567808 to |amethyst. 00:13:03 grunt: evoker-god stuff is ready to go. I just haven't pushed it to the server 00:13:05 2 august 00:13:10 johnstein: good :) 00:13:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:15 <|amethyst> oh, cool 00:14:37 I'm going to test the save compat stuff for this stackable evoker thing and then I'm going to provide PleasingFungus and |amethyst with the patch so they can inspect it and probably improve upon it if they so choose <_< 00:14:52 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:54 but how can you improve... on perfection...? 00:15:12 nobody writes perfect code 00:15:13 not even me!!! 00:15:24 update: I still really dislike godwrath.cc:306-308 00:15:36 w t h 00:15:51 at least it has a comment!!! 00:16:28 oh wow 00:16:35 kb had some Interesting ideas for zin wrath 00:16:43 %git cd7d5deb 00:16:44 07dolorous02 * 0.6.0-a1-842-gcd7d5de: Remove Zin's summoning-based wrath, as it no longer fits. 10(5 years ago, 3 files, 14+ 62-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd7d5deb2327 00:17:24 actually idk if those were originally kb's (but that "if (punishment > 7 && !how_mutated())" block *is* his) 00:21:12 good 00:21:14 save compat is working 00:21:39 friendly ancient zymes are a really useful source of sickness 00:22:07 PleasingFungus: http://sprunge.us/iNEE 00:22:20 |amethyst: if you're so inclined you can examine http://sprunge.us/iNEE too 00:23:42 <|amethyst> hm 00:24:04 there are probably some extremely ugly things in this code 00:24:06 <|amethyst> sequell needs a "!tell me this again in N days" 00:24:10 (typical of my style) 00:24:22 ooooh stacking evokers?! 00:24:25 yes 00:24:29 <|amethyst> !procrastinate 1 http://sprunge.us/iNEE stacking evokers 00:24:35 <3 00:24:49 !send johnstein 27 horns of Geryon 00:24:50 Sending 27 horns of Geryon to johnstein. 00:25:05 I was going to complain that an evoker-god would just make me sad since I would have to juggle ALL the evokables 00:25:13 only for evoker-god? or for everyone? 00:25:28 johnstein: this is for everyone 00:25:48 * johnstein throws a few coins in the tip jar 00:25:57 this is for everyone; this is for all the marbles 00:26:03 no it's not 00:26:09 the evokers only stack if you worship P 00:26:23 in fact P is the god of completely different inventory mechanics 00:26:28 like the keys are different also 00:26:52 also I'm glad that there's special code to handle throwing blood potions and xp evokers 00:27:06 * Grunt throws iron shot at gammafunk. 00:27:17 * gammafunk catches the iron shot! 00:27:19 Grunt: Imo replace "gaining experience will recharge one" with "gaining experience will recharge them, one by one" (or something like that) 00:27:30 s/one/them/ 00:27:39 i.e. 00:27:46 considered that, but it sort of implies that they'd all be recharged at once? idk 00:27:47 "Gaining experience will recharge them." 00:27:52 v0v 00:27:55 * PleasingFungus shrugs. 00:27:58 00:28:01 still scrollin 00:28:10 Always Be Scrollin 00:29:13 Grunt: I'm confused by evoker_is_charged() 00:29:27 I guess I should have documented that too 00:29:39 surely that should be " * (item.quantity - 1)" ? 00:29:48 PleasingFungus: right now, it's used exclusively as "Does any one evoker in this stack have enough charge to be evoked?" 00:29:55 no I get that 00:30:31 consider quantity = 1: right now this returns true (charged) if evoker_debt < 10 00:30:39 -!- SANIC has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30:45 whereas surely it should return true if it's <= 0? 00:31:03 oh 00:31:39 I was a hair away from rewriting that function as "num_xp_evokers_inert(item) < item.quantity" and then decided not to 00:32:19 imo do that 00:32:29 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:37 simple = fewer bugs 00:33:30 speaking of simpler 00:33:39 remove_newest_xp_evoker() can be rewritten as 00:34:19 http://pastebin.com/CS55Ey8q 00:34:20 I think 00:34:57 yeah, I think you are correct 00:35:38 this might be easier if there was a branch I could poke at 00:35:38 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:38 The build was fixed. (evoker-god - 230ed67 #1264 : Steve Melenchuk): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/45127246 00:35:38 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:35:43 :) 00:36:40 Grunt: I think using the variable name "ret" is generally a sign you're doing something wrong 00:36:44 next: stackable decks? 00:36:49 New branch created: evoker-stacking (1 commit) 00:36:49 03Grunt02 07[evoker-stacking] * 0.16-a0-3318-ge3c6fc0: Let XP-charged evokers stack in inventory. 10(25 minutes ago, 13 files, 181+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3c6fc080327 00:36:51 * Grunt stacks doy's decks. 00:36:52 !stack doy 00:37:03 I dunno, doy is probably already pretty stacked 00:38:05 anyway I should sleep shortly 00:38:09 his dice aren't loaded though 00:38:12 all 1dx 00:42:07 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:21 oh, very classy of you to handle merging stacks in save compat 00:44:26 evoker stacks 00:46:25 03PleasingFungus02 07[evoker-stacking] * 0.16-a0-3319-ga906f29: Comment & clarify. 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 17+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a906f29dd946 00:46:59 Grunt: the rest looks more-or-less reasonable, though it'd probably be good to have a utility function that handles perishable & evoker stack remove_newest junk 00:47:21 also I'm not sure remove_newest & remove_oldest are good names (though I see the advantage of the parallels to persishables) 00:48:40 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:57 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:26 PleasingFungus: the generalises v nicely if we need to do more merging in the future :) 00:53:36 s/the/& save compat/ 00:53:40 !merge Grunt 00:53:58 Two Grunts merge to form a titanic Grunt. 00:55:13 !banish the titanic Grunt J 00:55:13 gammafunk casts a spell. the titanic Grunt J is cast into stuff.cc! 00:55:21 rip 00:55:23 oh woops 00:55:28 horrifying.... 00:55:29 that's worse than going to the Abyss 00:56:54 anyway I'm going to sleep; if someone thinks evoker-stacking is worth merging while I sleep, feel free to do so ((and then merge master into evoker-god)) 00:57:10 otherwise I'll look into it myself tomorrow 00:58:29 btw "1 charging" looks ugly and possibly misleading to me; alternatives welcome 01:00:58 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:01:25 http://i.imgur.com/b5bqbu7.png I did a thing 01:03:10 <|amethyst> reminds me of the death of Tasha Yar 01:03:30 that's a pretty funny sentence 01:03:42 also it's just a ripoff of ontoclasm (?)'s summon shadow creatures sprite 01:03:58 probably needs more malevolence 01:04:02 right now they're adorable imho 01:04:14 !tell ontoclasm http://i.imgur.com/b5bqbu7.png 01:04:14 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:04:16 <|amethyst> adorable little polyps 01:04:21 ya 01:06:11 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:12 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09:11 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:12:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:07 The build was fixed. 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Use !messages to read it. 01:13:52 i made these ages ago but maybe one of them could work? 01:13:52 ontoclasm: !!!! 01:13:56 yours looks good too 01:14:00 gonna steal those for my other traps 01:14:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:14:24 probably with some tweaks 01:14:32 trap2 seems kind of dark/low-contrast? 01:14:33 * ontoclasm entraps PleansingFungus!!!! 01:14:40 hey, hey, that's not allowed 01:14:42 yeah the were just doodles 01:14:46 uhhhh 01:14:51 please do edit them 01:15:04 |amethyst: are you very sure about 8326cf2 01:15:18 the contents of that vector vary between calls.... 01:15:24 <|amethyst> err, doh 01:15:33 yeah it's weird code 01:15:36 sorry 01:15:43 imo revert that and add a comment 01:16:32 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3320-ga5ba31b: Not so static (PleasingFungus, doh) 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5ba31bd075f 01:16:35 <|amethyst> Hm 01:16:48 <|amethyst> I didn't add a comment, but I did half-revert 01:16:56 <|amethyst> I kept it as an array rather than vector 01:17:00 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:02 <|amethyst> so it doesn't have to do any mallocing 01:17:19 fair enough 01:18:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 01:19:48 <|amethyst> Hm, seems doing alternating arguments for the C++11 varargs random_choose_weighted will be... recursive 01:20:39 <|amethyst> feasible but bleh, and I'm not sure I'm bright enough to make it do the recursion at compile time 01:20:43 <|amethyst> rather than runtime 01:21:05 <|amethyst> s/bright/clever/ 01:28:19 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 01:30:24 -!- raptorwrex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:27 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh 01:32:32 <|amethyst> %git 0629365 01:32:32 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3296-g0629365: Don't trap people in a minifort (theTower, #9328) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06293650ffc3 01:32:47 <|amethyst> Grunt: any thoughts on the mini_float exit stuff mentioned in that commit message? 01:45:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:13 The build was fixed. 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[2014-12-26 12:46:00] [crace=Draconian] prestonbroadus the Devastator (L19 DrEE of Vehumet) entered the Vaults on turn 57634. (D:13) 09:37:33 int hd = min(defender->as_monster()->get_experience_level(), 18); 09:37:46 this is just the first time a monster has hit a player with wyrmbane, apparently :) 09:38:19 s/player/& draconian/ 09:38:53 i suspect get_experience_level is an actor method so just removing the as_monster() should fix it 09:39:01 yup 09:40:37 !source monster::get_hit_dice 09:40:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l83 09:40:41 !source monster::get_experience_level 09:40:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc;hb=HEAD#l106 09:44:46 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:47:23 -!- monkeypoo has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:48:15 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:54:37 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:10 -!- PsyMar_ is now known as PsyMar 10:19:05 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:21 !source species_undead_type 10:20:22 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/species.cc;hb=HEAD#l281 10:20:29 !source get_undead_state 10:20:30 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc;hb=HEAD#l157 10:20:42 spot the difference 10:20:50 (hint: there is none) 10:28:28 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:16 wheals: but there is! 10:29:17 ,.. 10:29:22 their names!!! 10:29:28 dang 10:30:03 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:34:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35:37 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:20 excellent, get_undead_state isn't used 10:38:34 i guess that's the real difference :) 10:39:12 I added species_undead_type() 10:39:33 didn't realize get_undead_state() existed (though it should be in species regardless, of course) 10:45:01 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:46:57 -!- fiyawerx_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:16 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:00 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:49 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:25 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3320-ga5ba31b (34) 11:24:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:24:33 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:16 -!- TR_Muscateer has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:45 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:28:34 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:29:31 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:35:34 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3321-g37c25f5: Let XP-charged evokers stack in inventory. 10(11 hours ago, 13 files, 192+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37c25f5c956a 11:38:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:26 !squash Grunt 11:41:18 * Grunt squashes PleasingFungus like an ant!!!!!!! 11:42:53 brutal... 11:51:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:51 when should we take down the decorations in Coc btw 11:54:06 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm, is there a way to tell from Lua now whether an evoker is usable? 11:55:09 Grunt: I was thinking sometime on the 31st 11:55:28 |amethyst: you can check plus2 (which is evoker_debt) in the same fashion as evoker_is_charged(), but that's kind of clunky 11:55:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, plus2 is preserved still? 11:55:47 |amethyst: I think so 11:56:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: I noticed you removed the if (is_xp_evoker(item)) ii.evoker_debt = !!item.evoker_debt; 11:56:27 <|amethyst> in get_item_info 11:56:34 |amethyst: because I want it to be able to tell you the number of charged evokers somehow 11:56:41 |amethyst: that was the simplest immediate solution 11:57:32 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm... I don't think plus2 is copied is it? 11:58:19 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:58:32 |amethyst: oh 11:59:11 <|amethyst> and copying the exact debt would reveal extra information to lua 11:59:29 <|amethyst> could rescale the item_info plus2 to a count 11:59:32 well 11:59:36 I'll do what I originally had in mind 12:01:41 <|amethyst> hmm... I'm kind of confused now 12:02:44 as in 12:02:44 this 12:02:45 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, also noticed a minor message bug when splitting stacks of evokers 12:02:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3322-gf452630: Give item_info evoker_debt as number of inerts in a stack (|amethyst). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f452630f25d2 12:03:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: d - 4 lamps of fire (2 inert, 1 charging) (gained 1) 12:03:07 <|amethyst> Grunt: now I drop 1 12:03:13 <|amethyst> You drop a lamp of fire (inert). 12:03:17 <|amethyst> now I drop 1 more 12:03:34 <|amethyst> hold on 12:03:42 no bug? 12:03:48 <|amethyst> maybe 2 bugs 12:03:54 The bug splits! 12:04:00 <|amethyst> oh 12:04:06 <|amethyst> yes, two bugs, one not so minor 12:04:11 <|amethyst> d - 4 lamps of fire (5 inert, 1 charging) (gained 2) 12:04:26 <|amethyst> this was after splitting and remerging the stack a few times 12:04:30 <|amethyst> the minor bug is 12:05:30 g - 4 lamps of fire (7 inert, 1 charging) (gained 3) 12:05:32 . . . 12:05:50 <|amethyst> first drop: "You drop a lamp of fire (inert)." second (on a different square): "You drop a lamp of fire." 12:06:01 <|amethyst> if I drop it on the same square I wind up with the weird bug 12:06:20 <|amethyst> for the messaging bug, it seems like it's describing the item still in inventory, not the dropped one 12:06:34 <|amethyst> the dropped item is listed as inert if I look at it 12:10:13 <|amethyst> hm, and is there something we can do about the sames of remove_newest_perishable_item vs remove_oldest_xp_evoker ? 12:10:18 <|amethyst> s/sames/names/ 12:10:23 rename the xp_evoker ones 12:10:41 <|amethyst> I was confused by them using opposite adjectives but really doing "the same" thing 12:10:47 <|amethyst> remove_freshest_item ? 12:12:49 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:16:51 found the source of the major bug 12:17:01 an oversight on my part which I'd wondered about previously, no less :) 12:18:21 <|amethyst> in remove_ or merge_? 12:20:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3323-ga13979c: Merge dropped XP evokers into floor stacks properly (|amethyst). 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a13979c596d4 12:20:13 <|amethyst> ahh 12:20:41 <|amethyst> Grunt: why does that (and the one in _put_item_in_inv) use = instead of += ? 12:20:49 <|amethyst> oh 12:20:53 <|amethyst> I see why that one does 12:21:02 <|amethyst> it's a new copy 12:21:13 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about the one in _put_item_in_inv though 12:22:12 hm 12:22:45 actually that one might be completely unnecessary 12:23:06 (except for adjusting the stack on the floor) 12:24:50 <|amethyst> I just wonder why that isn't overwriting what merge_item_stacks already did 12:24:55 it is. 12:24:56 rip. 12:24:59 <|amethyst> hm 12:25:09 <|amethyst> but I don't see the bug I would expect 12:25:10 I do 12:25:13 the message is lying to you 12:25:21 check your inventory 12:26:02 <|amethyst> ? 12:26:22 g - 5 phials of floods (3 inert, 1 charging) (gained 1) 12:26:26 but in inventory 12:26:32 g - 5 phials of floods (1 inert, 1 charging) 12:26:53 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3324-g17cee38: Don't overwrite evoker_debt on partial pickup of a stack (|amethyst). 10(74 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=17cee38eb744 12:26:55 <|amethyst> I would expect that to mean that, if I have inert evokers in inventory and I pick up a charged one, they would all be charged 12:27:06 irrelevant now anyway 12:27:07 :) 12:27:12 <|amethyst> oh 12:27:22 <|amethyst> partial pickup 12:27:24 <|amethyst> that was it 12:27:33 <|amethyst> I was trying a full pickup 12:29:22 -!- TR_Muscateer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:25 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:31:10 <|amethyst> was thinking about goldification of spellbooks... if you keep track of how many copies of each spell you have, you could maintain a variant of the destroy-books-for-amnesia thing 12:31:17 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:33 <|amethyst> losing other spells would be weird, but you could reduce the number of copies of this spell at least 12:32:04 <|amethyst> would be a buff to that form of amnesia 12:32:48 <|amethyst> (a major buff... hmm) 12:33:17 I remember hearing at some point about how Sif should grant you access to L-Space (i.e. instant access to any book you've ever found) 12:33:40 yeah, that's been tossed around for a while in various forms 12:33:51 !send L-Space doy 12:33:51 Sending doy to L-Space. 12:34:51 <|amethyst> I was thinking for everybody, not just Sifites 12:35:22 <|amethyst> since books are currently these things that you might autopickup but you probably don't actually want to be carrying around most of the time, unless you're a felid or such and have no item slot pressure 12:36:07 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:36:35 I think we should clearly either do something like that, or make books tactically useful in some way 12:36:43 the latter is iirc dpeg's preferred approach 12:37:05 <|amethyst> They sort of sort of are, but memorization interruption... 12:37:24 <|amethyst> you're not likely to actually be able to complete memorizing a spell in combat unless you change your activity interrupts 12:37:33 i don't think juggling spell memorization is a particularly interesting way to make them tactically useful 12:37:40 * Grunt throws the book at PleasingFungus. 12:38:03 <|amethyst> (BTW, can vampires change their activity interrupts so they don't waste corpse blood?) 12:38:23 I... think so... 12:38:49 <|amethyst> that's always seemed... weird to me 12:38:51 <|amethyst> hm 12:39:00 yeah 12:39:01 well 12:39:03 <|amethyst> alternatively, use the rot amount to measure how much they've drained from it 12:39:05 Vp is pretty weird 12:39:17 <|amethyst> so it can be interrupted without losing or gaining extra nutrition 12:39:56 <|amethyst> (that would mean that waiting before draining a corpse gives less nutrition) 12:40:38 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:32 <|amethyst> wield a book to counterspell MON_SPELL_{WIZARD,DEMONIC} spells that occur in that book 12:44:05 equip a book as a shield; whenever you block with it it loses some pages 12:44:28 the more spell levels in the book, the more knockback it applies when you throw it at something 12:44:31 but 12:44:37 it can also knock things back into hazardous features!!! 12:44:45 or send them to jail 12:44:46 s/more knockback/more noise 12:44:56 <_< 12:47:36 wield the book and then you can rip pages out of it to cast the spells inside as though they were from scrolls 12:47:50 doy: replace Tome with that concept? <_< 12:48:04 (or replace tome with shard like we've been meaning to do for a while) 12:48:07 (buff to evoker-god) 12:48:10 <|amethyst> then replace decks with unmemorizable books 12:48:36 books can be 12:48:38 decked o ut 12:48:41 <_< 12:48:51 <|amethyst> book 'em, doy-o 12:49:37 %git shard_of_destruction 12:49:37 Could not find commit shard_of_destruction (git returned 128) 12:49:52 it's there 12:49:53 hm 12:49:53 somewhere 12:49:54 hm 12:49:59 that might be a local branch 12:50:02 <|amethyst> %git shard 12:50:02 07mumra02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.16-a0-1676-gba8439a: Convert Tome of Destruction to Shard of Destruction 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 26 files, 79+ 112-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba8439a53a5f 12:50:06 o 12:50:07 yeah 12:51:13 mm 12:51:22 this reminds me that I was going to tinker with Shard further, possibly 12:51:25 I'll need to investigate 12:54:44 <|amethyst> maybe I should make a GDD post about counterspelling, to get the friendly, sober, and well-reasoned feedback of our tavern regulars 12:56:03 �learn add tavern <|amethyust> friendly, sober, and well-reasoned feedback 12:56:03 Okay, not adding tavern => <|amethyust> friendly, sober, and well-reasoned feedback 12:56:07 er 12:56:09 s/yust/yst/ 12:56:09 rip 12:57:19 do you have any concrete ideas re counterspelling? 12:59:04 -!- _Jordan_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:59:45 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: need: a book in inv or in hand (not sure, probably the latter would be too annoying). When a monster casts such a spell, you (are prompted to? automatically?) expend (spell level?) MP and (half a turn?) to counter the spell. Success chance is based on (opposed spell power? rolling spellcasting vs HD? something else?) 13:00:22 sounds very complex 13:00:24 <|amethyst> don't want it to be something Trogites can use, because that sounds out of character 13:00:34 prompting would probably be annoying 13:01:03 <|amethyst> automatic would be annoying unless it required you to wield the book 13:01:35 <|amethyst> three orc wizards appear, bam your Wz is out of MP 13:01:50 I am not sure there needs to be a cost beyond "have the book in your inventory" and "have the appropriate skill(s)" (for spellpower or w/e) 13:02:00 that is, I'm not sure you need to have an mp cost 13:02:07 or a turn cost 13:02:07 would you need LOS? would you need to be the target? (thinking of a Su or beoghite getting a buff) 13:02:28 I would say LOS but not LOF 13:02:51 <|amethyst> seems like it would be too powerful if the inventory slot was the only cost 13:02:52 <|amethyst> I dunno 13:03:00 hmmm, if the two lair branches are both on the same level, the depth indication for the other two don't go away, apparently 13:03:09 depends on the success chance, surely 13:03:28 doy: have you entered either of them 13:03:41 PleasingFungus: oh, is that a mimic thing? 13:03:51 not sure but it sounds like it might be 13:04:15 if it is, sounds like an information leak 13:04:44 that's not what I mean 13:04:44 yeah, it was a mimic 13:04:48 <|amethyst> I don't recall, but it might not be telling you that one is a mimic 13:04:51 it shows both until you touch them 13:04:54 <|amethyst> but rather that one might be a mimic 13:04:59 ^ 13:05:28 it will even indicate the depth of two exclusive branches if you've touched neither but seen both 13:05:31 <|amethyst> what does ctrl-o say now that you verified that 13:05:36 i can't remember ever seeing both branches in the overview and still having the depth indicators there, but it's possible i just wasn't paying attention 13:05:47 but the fact that one entrance actually was a mimic makes me wonder 13:06:18 also, now that the mimic is gone, it doesn't show anything about the branch that was being mimiced 13:06:26 which is certainly wrong 13:07:40 <|amethyst> yeah, it should go back to grey if you haven't found the opposed branch 13:07:57 hmmm, both were mimics, actually 13:07:59 <|amethyst> were they opposed branches? 13:08:10 and then identifying the second mimic made both of them appear in ^O again 13:08:20 yeah, it was swamp/shoals 13:08:30 <|amethyst> ah 13:08:39 <|amethyst> so it was making a bad assumption 13:08:46 oh, i see, yeah 13:08:47 <|amethyst> which might not be worth fixing 13:09:00 <|amethyst> "oh, that was a mimic... the other one must be the real one!" 13:09:02 that would explain all of the weirdnesses, i think 13:09:18 i forgot about the opposed branches thing 13:09:34 i think it might be worth fixing, just to make things less confusing 13:09:40 but shrug 13:10:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:48 <|amethyst> I think the other way (where nothing grey goes away until you actually touch the opposed stair) might be more confusing overall 13:10:59 yeah, i don't think that's a good solution either 13:15:44 <|amethyst> hm, was the stabbing change enough to compensate Fe for lack of jump? 13:16:53 kind of apples and oranges 13:18:12 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:59 PleasingFungus: why? don't they both affect dmg? 13:25:16 jump doesn't affect damage 13:25:24 <|amethyst> jump attack is a positioning thing that also does an attack 13:25:28 <|amethyst> s/is/was/ 13:25:41 oh I always thought it had a boost to the dmg 13:26:03 I was using it with the wrong intentions 13:26:51 it might have had a penalty, I forget 13:27:47 <|amethyst> I think it just prevented stabbing and cleaving 13:28:51 probably 13:32:31 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:33:04 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:17 !learn set gammafunk[3] greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuFE^Ash DESu^Jiyva 13:33:17 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Zin HuFE^Ash DESu^Jiyva 13:33:23 03Grunt02 07[evoker-god] * 0.16-a0-3333-g2f32c5d: Merge branch 'master' into evoker-god 10(35 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f32c5de4dcf 13:33:23 03Grunt02 07[evoker-god] * 0.16-a0-3334-gfcce156: A primitive Pakellas altar tile. 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcce156ad917 13:33:45 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:34:38 are 0 and 1 intended to be the same? 13:35:40 I was always taught that 0 != 1 13:35:43 but, you know, the American educational system... 13:38:15 .gfnext 13:38:15 VSWz^Ru 13:38:34 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:02 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:49 interesting 13:41:59 if an intelligent monster sets off an alarm trap, it's marked as coming from them 13:42:03 otherwise, it comes from MID_NOBODY 13:45:25 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:31 -!- billy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: did you see my MG_FORBID_BANDS commit (intended for Shadow Creatures traps)? would it make sense for the spell itself to use that? 14:00:09 yes and no respectively 14:00:28 removing bands from shadow creatures, in general, would be an enormous nerf 14:00:37 I'm only planning to forbid bands from the trap on d:1 14:01:01 <|amethyst> hm 14:01:20 <|amethyst> I guess it's not a problem that it encourages you to recast the spell until you get something good 14:01:25 You know, I never liked shadow creatures. 14:01:28 <|amethyst> since there's a cost to that 14:01:41 It's an effect that makes you fight the exact same stuff you fight normally on the floor you are on. 14:01:44 <|amethyst> and it already has that effect without bands 14:01:44 Except you get nothing for it. 14:01:51 oh, you mean as a monster spell 14:01:52 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02:00 you don't actually fight the summoned creatures, you fight the summoner 14:02:01 it's very different 14:02:39 yes, boggarts are very different 14:02:48 and even less rewarding than the normal monsters ;^D 14:03:19 not many other shadow creatures casters 14:03:27 shadow demons, which are also pretty fragile 14:03:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess maybe there should be some way to say "jackals get packs under placement, not when summoned" 14:03:37 randliches sometimes now 14:04:03 I'm cool with liches being evil scum. 14:04:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: then things that need packs to be comparable to the difficulty of the rest of the level would not have the same flag 14:09:01 <|amethyst> or more generally "this pack of slimes counts as 1 monster for summoning/spawn count purposes, this pack of jackals does not", with adjustments to spawn rate on early levels to compensate if necessary 14:09:25 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 14:09:30 this almost feels more like an argument against jackals than anything 14:09:47 how many other jackal-like things are there? 14:10:01 <|amethyst> harpies? 14:10:38 are single harpies really a threat where they appear? 14:10:58 I guess about as much as classless merfolk, but that's not saying much... 14:11:05 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:49 <|amethyst> I like jackal bands in early D and wouldn't want to see them go 14:12:14 I'm a bit confused, isn't this just a discussion about what the shadow c. trap will do? 14:12:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'm also thinking about the spell 14:12:30 why? 14:12:36 what's the problem with the spell 14:12:54 yeah I don't want to get rid of jackal packs either, just feels like it's weird how much of a special case they are 14:13:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that some kind of bands are "as powerful as" a single other creature, and others are much more powerful 14:13:35 <|amethyst> but 14:13:58 well, I think if that's to be addressed, it's much better to do so using PF's idea of incorporating spell power 14:14:13 you'd just have to have a way to turn e.g. hd requirements into spell power requirements 14:14:35 I don't think disallowing packs on the player spell outright is a good solution 14:14:35 <|amethyst> I guess that's no different from "you might get a fire giant or you might get a wolf spider" in some parts of V 14:14:38 did I have that idea? that sounds like the sort of thing I would suggest 14:14:49 PleasingFungus: well you want to do that for every spell 14:14:55 and shadow c. doesn't use spell power 14:15:03 ya 14:15:09 it sounds good to me 14:15:13 I just don't remember suggesting it 14:15:16 |amethyst: yeah you have a 5mp cost no matter what; some single summons are much better than pack summons even 14:15:40 PleasingFungus: you didn't make that specific suggestion about shadow c., but obviously you'd want to address that at some point 14:15:56 <|amethyst> yeah, weighting by XP somehow seems like the right thing 14:17:02 recasting shadow c a bunch of times just to get a pack enemy is a good way to end up with 0 mp. If I do get a pack, that sometimes means I can stop casting shadow c before I hit my cap, but I never count on getting a pack 14:17:03 but back when there were no summons caps... 14:18:56 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:17 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:44 <|amethyst> yeah... I guess really it's more of a problem with small mammals/call imp 14:20:55 <|amethyst> repeat until you get two quokkas 14:21:19 well again I don't think it's a problem with those spells 14:21:27 you run out of mp so easilly 14:22:04 generally if I want to kill something with summons my option is: cast the summon as much as I can, let them kill it 14:22:04 <|amethyst> mammals maybe not, but imp stays effective for a while 14:22:13 call imp is weird in that it's less effective at higher spellpower 14:22:19 someone should probably fix that 14:22:51 <|amethyst> it should give you exactly one of each 14:22:56 <|amethyst> not all at once 14:23:06 <|amethyst> but it should never give you duplicate imp types 14:23:24 <|amethyst> (if it would, make the new one the same kind as whichever would expire under the cap) 14:23:30 <|amethyst> could even make it a fixed sequence 14:23:37 tbh I think that's a bad idea 14:23:44 |amethyst: why should it do that 14:23:53 I mean you could change the weighting so that better imps are more common at high power 14:24:10 but at low and medium spell power, when you're more likely to be using it, the mix is pretty good 14:24:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm 14:24:30 there's plenty of red imps, which are still useful but not as powerful as the more stationary ones 14:24:46 and then you get really good white imps mixed in 14:24:49 gammafunk: the issue is that higher power makes you more likely to get shadow imps and less likely to get white imps 14:25:08 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:25:09 sure, you could weight the imps by "desirability" and have spell power look at this 14:25:12 <|amethyst> swap them 14:25:24 <|amethyst> now that shadow imps don't give undead 14:25:29 why don't I link to the current code 14:25:40 shadow imp (065) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 6 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11 | Sp: pain (d8), animate dead | Sz: little | Int: normal. 14:25:40 %0.10?Shadow imp 14:25:44 !source _get_imp_type 14:25:45 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc;hb=HEAD#l1029 14:25:48 shadow imp (065) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 6 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11 | Sp: pain (d8) [06!sil], animate dead [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: normal. 14:25:48 %??Shadow imp 14:26:17 |amethyst: swapping them would be a big nerf to low-power call imp 14:26:19 idk 14:26:27 it's not urgent, just a weird thing 14:27:03 does the spell only summon a single imp 14:27:10 yes 14:27:13 well, per cast 14:27:23 <|amethyst> how about 1/3 white, 2/3 crimson then the crimsons upgrade to one_chance_in(3) ? iron : shadow 14:27:34 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:55 sounds cool 14:28:01 I will ask the demonologist for his opinion 14:28:01 <|amethyst> hm 14:28:05 <|amethyst> I guess that's a slight buff 14:28:11 <|amethyst> right now it's 5/18 white imp 14:28:15 -!- tcsc has quit [Client Quit] 14:28:24 <|amethyst> if you're at low power 14:28:39 yeah we don't really want more white imps and low power 14:28:52 <|amethyst> hm 14:29:08 <|amethyst> if we're upgrading crimson only, should the chance for iron be higher than 1/3? 14:29:29 because the spell could summon two!! imps at higher powers 14:29:31 <|amethyst> I mean, higher than 1/3 of 2/3 14:29:41 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29:47 <|amethyst> 1/3 white 2/3 crimson -> 1/3 white 1/3 iron 1/3 shadow 14:29:48 Bloax: that doesn't really seem necessary 14:29:55 <|amethyst> as power increases 14:30:21 <|amethyst> (err, well, it's random based on power, so as the roll increases) 14:32:20 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:33:27 |amethyst: 1/3 each at the higher power level, 4/18 for white imps at lower power? 14:34:41 the frequency of white imps feels really good at low power; you have to learn to make use of the red imps since you'll be getting a lot of those 14:34:45