00:01:27 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:17 -!- eb has quit [] 00:10:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:13:09 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3304-g6b2d168 (34) 00:13:52 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:15:53 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:19:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:22:13 PleasingFungus: dang, got majin-bo in a shop on a HuFE that uses staves 00:22:18 ! 00:22:20 gonna use it? 00:22:24 a little too late sadly 00:22:27 have an am laj 00:22:28 rip 00:22:38 wait, AM + FE...? 00:22:49 only like 10 fire/conj 00:22:54 basically I'm phasing out magic 00:22:59 hufe of zin 00:23:06 pity about the 26 int 00:23:19 well that's vitalize int with int boosters 00:23:50 been riding fball + sticky for a long time to help the transition 00:23:56 only problem is getting my ev up with lower dex 00:28:29 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:29 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:18 I should implement 00:33:21 the shadow critters trap 00:33:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:36:00 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:08 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:54:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:09 huh 00:55:14 slime has massively more traps than the rest of the game 00:55:16 this is dumb 00:55:26 on the other hand 00:55:28 you see like 00:55:31 10% of slime 00:55:38 that's not why 00:55:40 it accidentally 00:55:42 oh 00:55:42 has tons of traps 00:55:43 haha 00:55:57 here is a question for you 00:56:03 how do you think mechanical traps were removed from generation? 00:56:09 back when that happened 00:56:10 um 00:56:25 remove them from whatever it picks from when placing things 00:56:35 that would make sense 00:56:41 oh dear 00:56:45 unfortunately the code for trap generation is a nightmare 00:57:16 reducing their weights to REALLY low 00:57:18 ? 00:57:23 still nope 00:57:27 they're chosen at the same odds as before 00:57:31 pretty high odds, actually 00:57:33 increasing the odds 00:57:36 of everything else 00:57:37 and then the trap generation goes through 00:57:37 ok 00:57:49 deleting all traps that are placed 00:57:50 and decides where to place them and all 00:58:06 and then at the last minute says, "okay, if this is a mechanical trap, don't place anything at all." 00:58:10 ahahaha 00:58:18 the logic being that they didn't want to increase the number of tele traps, etc 00:58:21 which isn't completely unreasonable 00:58:55 except that slime, specifically, has a completely different trap-selection algorithm with no mechanical traps 00:59:02 since they would have all been eaten by slimes 00:59:06 -!- fenzil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:51 so it has somewhere in the ballpark of sixteen times as many traps as every other non-vault level in the game 01:00:10 is this the first time someone has noticed that? 01:00:17 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:27 i assume so, since it's a thing 01:00:29 that's great 01:03:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:04:27 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:07:48 -!- Santa|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:07:57 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:06 -!- Guest2304 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:11:32 ...wait, wtf 01:11:32 the "metallic echo of a distant snort" is trying to hint at the "go toward metal" rule 01:11:32 I never realized that 01:11:32 The spoiled prattle of a distant bot 01:11:51 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:13:08 PleasingFungus: now, armed with your newfound knowledge, you finally know how to solve the lab and can end the constant madness of death by starvation 01:13:15 finally!!! 01:13:19 unrip! 01:14:06 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:14:12 think I'm gonna buff me some trap generation 01:15:19 what a lovely christmas gift... 01:16:14 :) 01:21:26 i starved in a lab once 01:21:31 !!! 01:21:44 before the hungry ghosts, even. 01:22:00 ! 01:22:03 !!! 01:22:26 (i went in as a TrBe with no permafood) 01:23:58 im tempted to implement lang=grunt in my irc client 01:25:45 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:11 -!- Mottikins_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:35:26 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:40:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:41:45 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:50 is there a list somewhere of things needing quotes? 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seconds] 11:08:37 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:21 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3304-g6b2d168 (34) 11:23:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:56 -!- Jho is now known as Deviljho 11:29:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:32:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:33:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:05 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:39 -!- SANIC has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:40:00 <|amethyst> !learn add formicid http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/jaona/formicid-fighter 11:40:00 formicid[5/5]: http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/jaona/formicid-fighter 11:40:48 <|amethyst> maybe someone should contact that artist about licensing that as as a splash screen 11:42:04 <|amethyst> but I'm not about to make a newgrounds account to send a pm 11:42:46 <|amethyst> (currently it is by-nc-nd so would need relicensing) 11:43:53 http://www.deadtide.com/___media/reviews/albums/_page/album_covers/large/formicide_formicide.jpg 11:45:39 something is also very, very wrong with how the chestplate is receiving that light 11:46:21 clearly that's an internal glow <_< >_> 11:54:22 "Haven't tried playing as one yet but couldn't resist drawing one." 11:54:27 heh 11:56:26 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:36 <|amethyst> hm, probably itemspecs should not require monster names on chunks anymore, but just a chunk effect type 11:59:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:32 %git trapreform 12:00:45 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3305-g682f11f: Rework trap generation 10(10 hours ago, 2 files, 49+ 94-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=682f11f59cc4 12:04:13 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:06:24 Grunt: |amethyst: opinions on ^ ? 12:06:32 so to speak, I guess 12:09:54 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:29 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:10:41 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:47 PleasingFungus: good 12:13:33 angel of mercy 12:13:41 sad on his feet 12:16:07 -!- 7YUAAPLTE is now known as buki 12:20:52 -!- Deviljho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:22:08 -!- Blahl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:27:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: need more trap types 12:27:42 <|amethyst> but I guess that's orthogonal 12:28:33 that's my next plan 12:28:41 I want lesser zot traps and shadow creatures traps 12:31:11 <|amethyst> convocation traps (one-shot obviously) 12:31:27 <|amethyst> especially ones that pick the toughest monsters on the level 12:31:33 <|amethyst> draining traps could work too 12:31:42 Well, Zot traps do have a convocation effect right now... :) 12:31:43 <|amethyst> since that's relevant out of combat and can't be rested off 12:31:55 <|amethyst> right, but Zot traps do a lot more 12:31:59 <|amethyst> you can't place them early 12:32:27 FR: make traps out of more Zot trap effects, such that Zot traps are "anything goes" traps 12:32:28 <|amethyst> (pace silly D arrival vaults) 12:32:42 !lg * kaux~~Zot recent min=score 12:32:43 4. maahes the Ruffian (L2 DrTm), killed by a Zot trap on D:1 on 2014-05-12 15:48:42, with 42 points after 115 turns and 0:02:10. 12:32:54 !lg * kaux~~Zot recent min=score -log 12:32:54 4. maahes, XL2 DrTm, T:115: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/maahes/morgue-maahes-20140512-154842.txt 12:33:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:34:12 <|amethyst> one problem is, unknown traps in general do introduce some room for tedium 12:34:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:29 <|amethyst> imagine if we painted every square that you have ever stepped on 12:34:52 <|amethyst> then, when fleeing, travelling, etc. you'd prefer to step on only the painted squares 12:35:06 <|amethyst> to avoid the possibility of unnecessarily running into a trap 12:35:09 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:40 <|amethyst> it's the same complaint that was made about old feature mimics, particularly of features you wouldn't normally care to interact with 12:36:59 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:29 <|amethyst> could give traps a higher than normal chance of getting a floor item 12:37:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:37:38 <|amethyst> particularly consumables 12:37:44 that sounds like 12:37:48 an autoexplore trap. 12:38:04 <|amethyst> it's a manual-explore trap too 12:38:12 <|amethyst> what are you going to do, not pick up consumables? 12:38:15 <|amethyst> warper buff 12:38:40 -!- lrvs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:41:45 i'd instead prefer replacing traps with bait vaults 12:42:27 <|amethyst> trap vaults for for random placement, but not when vaults specify "random trap" 12:42:36 <|amethyst> and I think the latter is still useful 12:42:51 <|amethyst> s/for for/work for/ 12:42:56 i mean sure 12:42:59 it's ""spoilery"" 12:43:06 but so are doom maps when you know them 12:43:15 that doesn't mean that the encounters are absolutely trivial every time 12:47:43 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/jaona_Formicidus.png as i was saying 12:47:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:49:06 Pretty cool art 12:49:22 [18:40:12] formicid[5/5]: http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/jaona/formicid-fighter 12:49:31 the chestpiece is fucky 12:49:37 Bloax: you cleaned up the reflections? 12:50:11 I drew over it. 12:50:11 a lot 12:50:48 and i happen to be so extreme as to not listen to clauses like 12:50:48 No Derivative Works: 12:50:48 You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work. 12:51:04 when i say that something is up 12:55:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 13:08:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 13:08:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:17 -!- cs_0x6373 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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need a very good reason to add it to more spells 13:36:11 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:36:56 -!- tcsc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:32 <|amethyst> and a better way to indicate that that the three level "hits, doesn't, might" targetting indicator 13:41:56 people were talking about a bounce targeter that shows areas that get hit twice 13:41:59 I forget what happened to that 13:43:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:37 wow, lair:5 could get zot traps? 13:47:26 could and can 13:47:54 if (random2(absdepth + 1) > 15 && one_chance_in(3)) 13:48:01 i think it was learndb that told me they started at lair:7 13:48:11 could be wrong 13:48:25 lair has absdepth 10 13:48:45 ?/lair:7 13:48:45 No matches. 13:48:50 ??zot trap 13:48:50 zot trap[1/6]: Traps that can cause severe poisoning, banishment, rot, mutations, and summon powerful demons...you get the picture. When a monster steps on a zot trap, you will hear a distant zot if the trap is in the distance, or a loud zot if the trap is very very close. 13:48:53 maybe this was my imagination 13:48:59 obviously they're quite rare there 13:49:04 ya 13:49:16 it's entirely possible that zomeone changed lair's absdepth at some point 13:49:27 true 13:49:33 at one point it wasn't even fixed, of course 13:49:38 oh, interesting 13:49:49 !lg * lair:8 s=absdepth 13:49:50 9850 games for * (lair:8): 7258x 18, 789x 0, 466x 17, 439x 16, 346x 19, 311x 20, 241x 21 13:50:14 789x 0 13:50:18 very interesting 13:50:50 !lg * ikiller~~"zot trap" lair 13:50:51 36. moose the Martial Artist (L13 DgTm), slain by a death yak (led by a Zot trap) on Lair:8 on 2014-11-03 05:42:26, with 39253 points after 24081 turns and 0:48:44. 13:50:54 !lg * ikiller~~"zot trap" lair s=place 13:50:55 36 games for * (ikiller~~'zot trap' lair): 11x Lair:8, 8x Lair:7, 8x Lair:5, 6x Lair:6, 2x Lair:4, Lair:3 13:51:10 !lg * ikiller~~"zot trap" lair:3 x=cv 13:51:12 1. [cv=0.8] Banec the Necromancer (L13 DDNe of Makhleb), annihilated by an eldritch tentacle (called by a Zot trap) on Lair:3 on 2011-08-14 19:20:58, with 34348 points after 24863 turns and 3:06:09. 13:51:15 brutal 13:51:31 also hahaha he got killed by an eldritch tentacle 13:51:38 !log * ikiller~~"zot trap" lair:3 x=cv 13:51:40 1. Banec, XL13 DDNe, T:24863: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/Banec/morgue-Banec-20110814-192058.txt 13:51:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:52:15 !lg * lair lvl>8 13:52:17 959. AuditDaFed the Cleaver (L11 DDBe of Trog), killed by triggering a blade trap on Lair:10 on 2010-07-10 16:21:20, with 14498 points after 4336 turns and 1:09:26. 13:52:22 rip 13:52:24 nice 13:52:29 !lg * lair lvl>8 s=cv 13:52:30 959 games for * (lair lvl>8): 429x 0.5, 289x 0.4, 142x 0.3, 69x 0.2, 30x 0.1 13:52:36 0.5, really 13:52:49 looks like that predates online trunk games 13:53:21 !lg * 1 cv~~a 13:53:23 1/1672692. Napkin the Covered (L1 MDFi), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-10-25 11:35:00, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:31. 13:53:28 !lg * 1 cv~~a x=cv 13:53:29 1/1672692. [cv=0.6-a] Napkin the Covered (L1 MDFi), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-10-25 11:35:00, with 20 points after 0 turns and 0:00:31. 13:53:32 ya 13:53:45 !lg * 1 x=cv 13:53:46 1/3855714. [cv=0.1] Eidolos the Magician (L1 OMWz), slain by a gnoll (a flail of protection) on D:1 on 2006-12-02 23:47:10, with 20 points after 15 turns and 0:00:04. 13:53:57 wow 13:53:59 mean 13:54:22 !lg eidolos 13:54:23 121. Eidolos the Ruffian (L1 TrBe of Trog), slain by an orc warrior (a +1,+3 orcish glaive) on D:3 on 2009-07-26 23:38:14, with 39 points after 121 turns and 0:00:52. 13:54:33 !lg eidolos won 13:54:33 No games for eidolos (won). 13:54:38 sad 13:54:43 ya 13:54:44 !hs eidolos 13:54:45 121. Eidolos the Grappler (L11 TrBe of Trog), shot by a centaur (arrow) on D:13 on 2006-12-26 22:58:06, with 16198 points after 13946 turns and 1:24:52. 13:54:54 !hs zermako 13:54:55 6457. Zermako the Slayer (L17 HOFi of Beogh), slain by a 17-headed hydra (kmap: swamp) on Swamp:4 on 2014-03-25 21:29:20, with 158759 points after 39913 turns and 2:10:53. 13:54:57 rip... 13:55:34 !lm zermako rune 13:55:34 1. [2014-03-25 21:03:44] Zermako the Slayer (L16 HOFi of Beogh) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 33685. (Spider:5) 13:55:38 it was not for naught! 13:56:04 I believe in zermako. 13:56:13 someday, he will pull a logicninja. he will become a crawl master. 13:56:16 in his heart, he is already... 14:00:05 -!- PolkaDot has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:57 logicninja is a crawl master? 14:01:12 !gamesby logicninja cv=0.16-a 14:01:13 -!- Qoon has quit [] 14:01:13 logicninja (cv=0.16-a) has played 745 games, between 2014-08-02 22:54:25 and 2014-12-25 08:30:30, won 9 (1.2%), high score 14196359, total score 83972571, total turns 6056552, play-time/day 1:53:43, total time 11d+12:44:12. 14:01:20 9 wins in 16-a alone!!! 14:01:33 !hs logicninja 14:01:34 11402. LogicNinja the Bringer of Law (L27 VSBe of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-08-11 22:59:38, with 14196359 points after 111872 turns and 5:42:10. 14:01:56 huh, I don't think I've ever seen him play a non-caster 14:01:57 weird 14:03:04 !gamesby bloax cv>=0.14 14:03:05 bloax (cv>=0.14) has played 468 games, between 2014-03-29 23:20:02 and 2014-12-22 04:28:59, won 4 (0.9%), high score 20502640, total score 43920971, total turns 1471531, play-time/day 0:36:29, total time 6d+19:35:41. 14:03:15 dang i play a lot 14:03:20 !lg . 1 14:03:21 1/956. doy the Grave Robber (L2 DrDK), slain by Ijyb (a club) on D:1 on 2006-12-14 22:29:50, with 109 points after 1193 turns and 0:31:04. 14:03:22 !gamesby bloax cv>=0.15 14:03:23 bloax (cv>=0.15) has played 164 games, between 2014-07-18 13:39:16 and 2014-12-22 04:28:59, won 1 (0.6%), high score 4946408, total score 8225565, total turns 337809, play-time/day 0:14:36, total time 1d+14:27:53. 14:03:27 yeeee 14:03:37 !gamesby . cv>=0.14 14:03:37 doy (cv>=0.14) has played 35 games, between 2014-07-26 22:33:33 and 2014-12-25 15:43:11, won 2 (5.7%), high score 12486173, total score 15774580, total turns 578681, play-time/day 0:21:51, total time 2d+7:43:48. 14:04:23 seriously, why did i think that drdk was a good starting combo 14:05:07 !lg doy 1 x=v 14:05:08 1/956. [v=0.1.7] doy the Grave Robber (L2 DrDK), slain by Ijyb (a club) on D:1 on 2006-12-14 22:29:50, with 109 points after 1193 turns and 0:31:04. 14:05:12 because draconians were the hottest shit in 2006 14:05:14 not bad 14:05:27 shit sounds like an accurate description of 2006 dr 14:05:31 as i understand it 14:05:53 yeah, draconians were pretty awful 14:06:09 was that when they could still wear body armour 14:06:11 how can draconians be worse than now 14:06:18 ... 14:06:19 dr are okay. 14:06:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: they could wear "soft" armour just two or three years ago 14:06:41 i don't think they could ever wear body armour 14:06:54 oh, or maybe that was it 14:07:21 draconians have gotten quite a bit better since the early days 14:07:34 !lg . dr-- won 14:07:35 2. SGrunt the Englaciator (L27 DrCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-12-21 05:12:49, with 10581511 points after 160324 turns and 11:38:05. 14:07:41 why were they so bad? 14:08:04 !lg . dr-- won x=ac,ev,sh 14:08:05 2. [ac=46;ev=36;sh=0] SGrunt the Englaciator (L27 DrCj of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-12-21 05:12:49, with 10581511 points after 160324 turns and 11:38:05. 14:08:10 (who needs body armour to be diesel) 14:08:14 basically impossible to get any defenses 14:08:29 the breath weapons used to be a lot less useful too, i think 14:08:45 no 14:09:01 I remember green draconians used to get poision clouds rather than mephitic cloud 14:09:11 (fr: let player green draconians get poison clouds again) 14:09:20 that was after n7's changes i bet 14:09:28 !lg n78291 14:09:29 6704. 78291 the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_stonehenge_8_columns) on 2014-12-03 19:33:50, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:03. 14:11:52 thanks to n7 adding the legendary Grey Draconian Tail Slap, draconians finally became competitive. 14:13:39 !lg n78291 1 14:13:40 1/6704. 78291 the Skirmisher (L5 HuCr of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an ice beast on D:7 on 2007-09-23 03:17:44, with 329 points after 5191 turns and 0:30:34. 14:13:57 PleasingFungus: does + return random_choose_weighted(tele_ok ? 2 : 0, TRAP_TELEPORT, 14:13:57 + shaft_ok ? 1 : 0, TRAP_SHAFT, 14:13:57 + alarm_ok ? 1 : 0, TRAP_ALARM, 14:13:57 + 0); 14:13:59 really work? 14:14:50 why wouldn't it? 14:15:35 if shaft_ok is false, then random_choose_weighted hits a 0, and it stops looking for args, no? 14:15:42 c++ varargs are such a mess 14:16:17 <|amethyst> yeah 14:16:30 <|amethyst> use the vector-of-pairs version instead 14:16:31 yeah, i think wheals is right 14:16:55 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:17:01 o 14:17:02 oops 14:17:05 sry 14:17:14 <|amethyst> or fix the varargs version to use C++11 parameter packs 14:17:24 I don't even know what those are 14:19:16 <|amethyst> see random_choose 14:19:21 <|amethyst> in random.h 14:19:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:19:55 -!- Blomdor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:07 T random_choose(T first, Ts... rest) <- this thing? 14:21:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3306-gaa8376b: Fix trap generation (wheals, |amethyst) 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa8376bf88d2 14:22:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah 14:22:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's a template-friendly type-safe replacement for the old varargs stuff 14:22:55 I find this code faintly distressing and worrying, like all template code 14:23:00 maybe I'll take a shot at it 14:23:02 <|amethyst> heh 14:23:08 <|amethyst> well, if you make an error 14:23:15 <|amethyst> you will get a terrible useless error message 14:23:17 haha 14:23:18 <|amethyst> ten page long 14:23:20 ya 14:23:25 I was gonna say :P 14:24:05 ?/ten page long 14:24:05 Matching entries (1): |amethyst[11]: ♪ Acquirement function ten page long / Doo-dad, doo-dad ♪ 14:25:06 :) 14:25:10 btw since people are around 14:25:17 I'm mulling over three different ideas for new traps 14:26:30 -!- Werehuman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:39 warden-style door locking might be interesting for a trap 14:26:43 uh 14:27:01 what situations do you imagine that being interesting in? 14:27:37 well, probably combined with the convoker effect someone mentioned before 14:27:37 vaults (as opposed to the Vaults) 14:28:12 could be a cute vault gimmick, possibly hooked up to some lua or something 14:28:22 but it seems like it'd be so rarely relevant outside a hand-designed (vault) situation 14:28:32 even with convoking hooked in (the convoking is the interesting thing there!) 14:29:24 even vault warden door-locking is very hit-and-miss outside vaults:5 14:29:28 <|amethyst> I feel like each identifiable trap vault should have an alternative version that is not a trap 14:29:45 <|amethyst> so even if you have memorised vaults 14:30:30 <|amethyst> you can finish your sentences 14:32:01 alas, I am incapable of finishing sentences, myself. 14:32:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:04 anyway trap thoughts 14:32:10 (1) shadow creatures trap. one-shot, probably temporary summons (though possibly they should be permanent summons?) 14:32:17 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:00 (2) trap that slaps buffs (haste, might, berserk?, other fun stuff?) on all enemies in LOS when someone steps on the trap ("lesser zot trap A") 14:33:13 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:20 (3) trap that injures the player when an enemy steps on it ("lesser zot trap B") 14:34:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:39 The build passed. (trapreform - 682f11f #1254 : Nicholas Feinberg): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/45105483 14:34:39 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:37:17 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:24 for (2), that's going to be a no-op trap so much of the time 14:37:30 depending on how you define other fun stuff 14:37:53 maybe if it falls back to always doing Lesser Zot Fun 14:37:58 buffing enemies is a no-op? 14:38:02 as opposed to zot traps' greater Zot Fun 14:38:11 PleasingFungus: it is when enemies don't exist in los 14:38:14 oh, you mean if there are no - yeah 14:38:22 yeah, I was thinking about making it only trigger when an enemy steps on it 14:38:57 that does change how traps operate since none does that currently to my knowledge; i.e. you step on a space, you know if it has a trap or not currently 14:39:41 not sure if that's a big problem, but it does seem kind of bad in some abstract gameplay sense 14:39:54 but yeah it's probably a solvable thing one way or another 14:40:43 I don't think that's bad 14:40:49 I think it's the opposite thing, which is good 14:41:38 well I can't see how it's really good....I mean the idea is kind of "you only ever have to explore a dungeon tile once" 14:41:53 that's still true, tho 14:42:17 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:25 yeah, I don't think you could convince me of this, but I concede it's just unlikely ever to matter practically speaking 14:44:02 but maybe it'd be better to just have it fall back to some "definitely do something" effects when monsters aren't in los? 14:44:05 I'm not strongly committed to the "only triggers when enemies step on it" thing, but I just really don't understand your objection at all 14:44:17 so it's just a wider set of things it can do when monsters *are* in LOS 14:44:20 I don't understand why it has to be two traps 14:44:28 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:44 well a "zot-type" trap kind is many different traps already... 14:44:47 it's a much cleaner design if, instead of doing one things when enemies are visible and another thing when they aren't, it just does one thing 14:44:50 *kind of is 14:45:05 yes, zot is the wildcard trap 14:45:13 we don't need more than one wildcard trap 14:45:15 imho 14:45:41 well, if you really mean 14:45:46 <|amethyst> I don't know, a single low-level wildcard trap 14:45:58 A trap that only is of the effect of "buff enemies in los in some way" 14:46:43 <|amethyst> making console players press ctrl-x 14:47:17 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:25 |amethyst: what do you mean, like players step on it, they have to ctrl-x to see what monsters got what buffs? 14:47:44 <|amethyst> if it's random buffs per-enemy, yes 14:47:54 no reason it needs to be random per-enemy 14:47:59 ah, yeah it could be random, could be ..yeah 14:48:27 tbh it sounds like it'd be effective very seldomly outside of early game 14:48:57 ? 14:49:30 how often is it could to manage to trigger 1) in los of enemies and 2) with enemies in los that you'd care if they were buffed and 3) with sufficients numbers of those enemies 14:49:49 I'm just trying to think, practically speaking, when would this trap type matter 14:50:07 depths 14:50:14 rune vaults 14:50:18 <|amethyst> that's one reason to put summoning + on some kinds of traps 14:50:23 in depths perhaps it could do some damage, but we'd kind of think "zot traps" for this 14:50:36 zot traps are really incredibly nasty 14:50:44 the idea with this it's a "softer" version of zot traps 14:50:51 incredibly nasty thing 14:51:21 tbh I think there are quite a lot of occasions on which having one or more enemies suddenly hasted, berserked, etc would be very bad 14:51:21 I just think you're running into a practical issue of "where will this actually be effective for areas that don't already have zot traps" 14:51:29 especially given that there's guaranteed to be an enemy in LOS 14:51:38 since it only trigger when an enemy steps on it 14:52:05 *triggers 14:52:28 imagine running into this when fighting an early bee pack, ogre, worm, ooze, etc 14:54:03 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:54:55 I think this would be better further away from areas like depths where zot traps exist already 14:55:11 reasonable 14:59:03 are there currently save-compat issues with adding new feature types? I remember there were issues with altars, but maybe that was before wheals rewrote features? 14:59:25 i don't think there should be any save compat issues with adding features 14:59:40 specifically, traps use FFT_TRAP in feature-data.h instead of enum order 14:59:54 so you can stick it at the end of the enum with no problem 15:00:16 noice 15:01:33 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:42 I don't know this portion of the code, but I'm wondering if this would break any logic that might assume that a square that's been visited has a known feature type 15:01:50 but maybe it wouldn't break anything 15:04:41 !source monster.cc:5778 15:04:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/monster.cc;hb=HEAD#l5778 15:05:02 er, I guess 5772 is a better starting point 15:05:06 anyway, ???? 15:05:28 gammafunk: that's a reasonable thing to check 15:05:36 though I don't know if there's any logic like that 15:06:08 oh, neat, this list is copy-pasted in player code 15:06:08 |amethyst tends to know deep black magic guru mojo like this 15:06:20 good phrase 15:06:49 %git 1db9c684 15:06:49 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.4-a0-126-g1db9c68: Shaft traps (trap doors) [1792195] and level annotation [1769009] added, with the shaft traps changed as per comments on SF; shafts aren't randomly generated yet, so this doesn't change gameplay. Changed DNGN_TRAP_III to DNGN_TRAP_NATURAL, of which trap type the shaft traps are the only current member. 10(7 years ago, 30 files, 939+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1db9c68406e0 15:07:07 <|amethyst> chaos attacks can still shaft can't they? 15:07:19 maybe? I know some kind of shafting was removed 15:07:24 but that might have been self-shafting 15:08:02 anyway, I don't understand the point of that list 15:08:17 <|amethyst> I think it's supposed to be "floor-like things" 15:08:30 <|amethyst> so shafts don't open up in water or lava for example 15:08:35 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 15:08:45 but they can open up in shops 15:09:22 tbh I don't see anything wrong with shafts opening up underwater/underlava... 15:09:32 well, the latter has some weird implications 15:09:34 <|amethyst> "A shaft briefly opens up underneath The Legendary Astrapp's Boot Barn." 15:09:42 good name 15:09:47 can shops actually be called "barns" 15:09:48 if not, why not 15:09:52 <|amethyst> :) 15:10:00 <|amethyst> Bargain Boot Barn 15:10:04 ! 15:10:21 Baffling Breghi's Bargain Boot Barn? 15:10:26 mm, maybe trying too hard. 15:10:40 <|amethyst> full of damaged boots, ponderous bardings, ... 15:11:27 ANYWAY this code is really bad and I'm volunteering wheals to either clean it up or remove it. (likewise the equivalent code in player::do_shaft()) 15:11:35 (which seems to assume that flying gives you protection from being shafted) 15:11:43 (which I thought wasn't true anymore?) 15:12:11 <|amethyst> shafts opening up in water do mean swimming monsters get shafted, which might be a concern if the next level has no water 15:12:29 <|amethyst> sec 15:13:10 a switch/case 100% certainly isn't the right answer here. either check something like is_open_floor or !is_water 15:13:15 one of those two 15:13:16 <|amethyst> right 15:13:17 * wheals flops around on dry land! 15:13:28 <|amethyst> I was looking at feat_has_solid_floor and seeing what differs 15:13:35 The Ol' Floppy Wheals 15:13:41