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in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster raven simulacrum failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 08:47:54 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:03 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:53:23 -!- debo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:04:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:34 -!- us17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:06 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:17:43 centaur skeletons are colored yellow/red when regular centaurs are colored white/yellow (respectively) 09:17:49 for threat levels 09:18:02 no other skeleton has this disparity afaik 09:22:04 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:25:56 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:14 centaur (07c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 4 | HP: 15-30 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, archer | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 114 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 09:26:14 %??centaur 09:26:14 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:26:15 centaur skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 4 | HP: 21-35 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(5), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 40 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 09:26:15 %??centaur skeleton 09:26:17 !messages 09:26:17 (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (2h 37m 58s ago): i'll be gone for a few days, but if you have time to like to look over this and for some feedback, go ahead: https://github.com/ChrisOelmueller/crawl-ref/compare/master...fix-weapons (some of those comments are not exactly merge-material) 09:26:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:40 weird 09:26:52 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:56 less xp, dam, defenses, speed 09:27:03 very slightly more hp 09:27:11 level 9 vampire will see centaur skeleton as red, and centaur as yellow from my experience 09:27:14 if you want to check in wiz 09:27:25 Brannock: are you perhaps seeing 09:27:28 Brannock: centaur warrior skeletons 09:27:36 the centaur skeleton I just ran into died in one hit 09:27:38 Brannock: which display as centaur skeletons but are tougher 09:27:41 hm 09:27:44 Where was this? 09:27:50 um, around D:8 I think 09:27:53 I should have taken better note 09:28:05 8252 | D:8 | Noticed a centaur skeleton 09:28:05 8264 | D:8 | Killed a centaur skeleton 09:28:26 that's just before XL 10 09:28:44 centaur skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 10 | HP: 61-81 | AC/EV: 0/1 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(13), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 403 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 09:28:44 %??centaur warrior skeleton 09:29:05 D:8 is right at the threshold where they can appear, IIRC 09:29:22 that's probably it then 09:30:44 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:40:52 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:22 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:24 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:37 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:55:48 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:11:13 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:13 TSO flags non-helpless unique as helpless 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9362 by Starhawk 10:20:13 -!- Limulus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:27 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:59 betting Norris was distracted at the time 10:23:50 <|amethyst> geekosaur: "Norris hits your angel with an enchanted great sword!!!" so yes 10:24:37 <|amethyst> though arguably TSO should just prevent the distracted status rather than considering it unchivalric 10:27:58 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3267-g0afbb4f: Show slot count in pickup/drop menus. 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0afbb4f627f9 10:27:58 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3268-gfe492fe: Unbrace. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe492fec8bd1 10:28:40 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:30:33 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:50 |amethyst: Why not just disable backstabbing for TSO 10:32:54 Prompts are evil 10:33:12 can you still backstab demons/undead as TSO worshipper? 10:33:20 You courteously attract Norris' attention and smack him in the face with a mace. 10:33:27 <|amethyst> greensnark: punching a sleeping individual is still kind of rude even if you don't get a bonus 10:34:05 Ok, pre-wake them using TSO's gentle-wake service :) 10:34:08 <|amethyst> ah :) 10:34:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:27 The helpless monster warnings used to drive me nuts when I played TSO 10:34:31 <|amethyst> there's still paralysis, confusion, peterification 10:34:46 <|amethyst> but definitely distracted could go 10:34:57 <|amethyst> and bumping into a sleeper could give them a 0-damage wake-up 10:36:00 <|amethyst> hmm 10:36:14 <|amethyst> in the save, Norris indeed doesn't show up as distracted 10:37:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:37:22 <|amethyst> find_stab_type says he's distracted 10:37:27 <|amethyst> but the mon-info does not seem to 10:41:53 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:42:44 <|amethyst> ah 10:42:47 <|amethyst> because he's invisible 10:43:35 that's odd. shock serpents are triggering the static discharge animation (I assume) but the animation itself is turning all tiles entirely black for a moment. or is there no animation graphic yet? 10:44:11 <|amethyst> hm 10:45:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3269-gd92e650: Standardize on using ENCH_POW_FACTOR for monster hexes 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 58+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d92e65043822 10:45:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3270-g1fdda5f: Display resist chance in monster spell descriptions 10(6 minutes ago, 4 files, 36+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fdda5f1b688 10:45:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3271-g14c0dd2: Don't shadow a parameter name 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14c0dd208552 10:46:06 !blame Grunt 10:46:06 I pronounce Grunt... 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ZZZzzz…] 10:47:17 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3272-gd8bf8f7: Allow will-stab, etc. brands on backlit invis monsters (#9362) 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8bf8f737d38 10:49:09 <|amethyst> oh great 10:50:07 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:50:49 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:52 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:52:01 !tell wheals https://github.com/ChrisOelmueller/crawl-ref/commit/519ecfe3cda5201490519177e871c1370361c782 is some of the ugliest code I've seen in modern crawl; aside from that i have no strong opinions on his proposed change. 10:52:01 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:53:18 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Kintak] 10:54:28 <|amethyst> yeah, that should be a flag on the artefact, not a big logic block 10:55:52 shock serpent static discharge is having buggy animations on cszo trunk. most often I'm getting the affected tiles go completely black, other times I'm getting random tiles flashing on affected tiles (like boots, eyeballs, rings). 10:57:37 Brannock: hearts, horseshoes, cloverleafs...? 10:58:02 FR 10:58:12 <|amethyst> "We have received an abuse complaint against your server." 10:58:15 <|amethyst> stupid ntp 10:58:18 leprechauns: player race - or foe! 10:58:25 |amethyst: rip 10:59:16 |amethyst: also, imho, almost all of those should be a check to see if the non-terse name is too long (which is what he's hard-coding, judging by the comments) 11:00:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but... 11:00:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: whether it's named 'demon blade "Leech"' or '"Leech"' shouldn't depend on my screen width 11:01:08 are you sure? 11:01:10 <|amethyst> I assume this affects more than just how it is displayed, but also &% 11:01:25 !source itemname.cc 11:01:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc;hb=HEAD 11:02:06 <|amethyst> ah 11:02:11 <|amethyst> !source get_unrandart_num 11:02:12 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc;hb=HEAD#l1603 11:02:13 per the comment here, it's 11:02:24 "// Note that "terse" is only currently used for the "in hand" listing on the game screen." 11:02:27 <|amethyst> so I guess it wouldn't be so bad 11:02:36 <|amethyst> ohh 11:02:39 <|amethyst> I misread the logic 11:02:49 <|amethyst> as if (terse || (is_unrandom_artefact(...)) 11:02:55 it's weird logic 11:03:13 terse && (!unrandom || ( ........... x 50 lines)) 11:03:18 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:04:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 11:06:11 something is wrong with the discharge and walls 11:06:14 is what i'm seeing 11:06:31 it looks fine if there are no walls for it to stumble into 11:06:34 yeah 11:06:38 I got a clean discharge when it was out in the open 11:06:58 looked all glitchy when it was in a natural killhole though 11:09:43 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:11:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 11:17:51 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:33 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3272-gd8bf8f7 (34) 11:23:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3273-gf45da45: Restore penance for destroying books under Sif (#9356) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f45da45a53f3 11:33:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3274-g58db91e: Warn about Sif Penance when destroying books (#9356) 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58db91e7af1d 11:35:58 |amethyst: <3 11:36:03 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:36:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re that last commit, perhaps you know of a good way to say "does the player's current god give penance for this conduct?" 11:36:11 <|amethyst> rather than hard-coding Sif there 11:36:24 um 11:36:25 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:36:42 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:38:01 you would need to export a function from godconduct.cc with a body looking something like "return map_find(divine_peeves[you.religion], conduct_type) != nullptr;" 11:38:53 bool god_hates(conduct_type conduct) { return map_find(divine_peeves[you.religion], conduct) != nullptr; } 11:38:55 <|amethyst> and I guess if I cared about penance specifically I'd also have to dereference the result to check its penance_factor 11:39:00 yes 11:39:36 <|amethyst> I will leave it alone for now, but it's something to consider for a future refactoring 11:39:40 sure 11:39:51 I'm not sure sif stuff specifically is the low-hanging fruit 11:39:55 <|amethyst> because I suspect this isn't the only place we hard-code a god enum 11:39:59 yeah 11:40:18 <|amethyst> I've kind of vaguely been working on putting god passives into data 11:40:56 a lot of the kill stuff is handled already, since the conducts & the warning code both call god_hates_attacking_friend() 11:41:44 <|amethyst> When I say "working on", I mean I've gotten so far as identifying all the passives of Ash and Beogh 11:41:50 <|amethyst> of which there are a lot 11:42:21 someday someone should make beogh cooler 11:42:23 imho 11:42:30 replace the placeholder power, etc 11:42:41 (the + to armour skill garbage) 11:43:33 (ok garbage is too harsh.) 11:43:37 <|amethyst> water walk is also kind of meh... very flavourful, but practically it seems like mostly a way to get funny deaths from penance/piety decay 11:45:34 oh i'm not even talking about water walk or smiting 11:45:40 those are at least flavourful 11:46:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:47:05 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:49:07 well if it's a way to get funny deaths maybe make it not go away once you have it 11:49:49 -!- Qurupeco|Jho has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:50:00 since unlike losing some cheistats, taking a nice, long swim in deep water is usually much less interesting 11:50:25 alternately, implement piety hysteresis & give a warning when you dip below 5* 11:51:21 <|amethyst> we do have piety hysteresis 11:52:36 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:44 <|amethyst> just one point currently 11:52:52 <|amethyst> !source PIETY_HYSTERESIS_LIMIT 11:52:53 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/religion.cc;hb=HEAD#l74 11:52:55 <|amethyst> !source lose_piety 11:52:55 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc;hb=HEAD#l697 11:54:06 <|amethyst> could give the warning when you are at the breakpoint and hysteresis is 1 11:54:28 <|amethyst> (or to support higher limits, when piety >= breakpoint and piety-hysteresis < breakpoint 11:54:31 <|amethyst> ) 11:55:00 I was thinking that the limit could be 5 or so 11:55:07 hm 11:55:11 strange phrasing 11:55:21 <|amethyst> making the limit higher does buff gods a bit 11:55:44 <|amethyst> since it gives you more uses of a new ability before getting kicked back down 11:57:12 seems somewhat negligible 11:57:39 it's not like raising it to 5 will make you able to spam sanctuary more 11:57:48 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:59:24 I wouldn't say "negligible", but it might be worthwhile anyway. 12:00:28 <|amethyst> it would also let you go a little more negative before excommunication, but I don't think that's a real issue 12:00:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:01:27 <|amethyst> well, I disabled NTP and sent a mail off to my ISP 12:02:09 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:02:32 <|amethyst> hopefully they'll see the response and not shut off CSZO in 48 hours as they threatened 12:03:01 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:01 <|amethyst> the response did make it to their support ticket system, so I imagine it's fine 12:05:48 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:05:55 <|amethyst> wheals: thanks for closing #8328... I thought it was in Mantis somewhere but couldn't find it 12:06:21 <|amethyst> wheals: oh... actually, that's about something else 12:06:28 oh? 12:06:28 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:06:31 !messages 12:06:32 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1h 14m 30s ago): https://github.com/ChrisOelmueller/crawl-ref/commit/519ecfe3cda5201490519177e871c1370361c782 is some of the ugliest code I've seen in modern crawl; aside from that i have no strong opinions on his proposed change. 12:06:44 <|amethyst> wheals: This one is about showing "5" instead of "#" when doing a partial drop 12:06:58 <|amethyst> wheals: or, rather showing it somehow 12:07:06 <|amethyst> wheals: and also showing the number as you're typing it 12:07:33 and was the the commit, then? 12:07:40 s/was the/what was 12:07:56 <|amethyst> The commit was to show "17/52" in the title so you know how full inventory is 12:08:04 oh 12:08:40 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:09:12 <|amethyst> reopened (and unassigned) 12:10:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:12:17 <|amethyst> wheals: since you did item_slot... have you looked at #9340 (ability_slot) ? 12:12:27 i did a bit 12:13:30 of course, you're free to work on it if you want :) 12:13:58 <|amethyst> for those FIXMEs, he can go one step simpler 12:14:35 <|amethyst> const string abilname = lowercase_string(ability_name(abil.ability)); 12:15:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:18:40 -!- halberd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:18:55 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 12:19:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:32 -!- muravey_ has quit [Quit: Be back later ...] 12:28:58 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:24 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:40 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3275-gaee1173: Disperse non-time-related functions from effects.cc. 10(2 hours ago, 33 files, 1790+ 1801-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aee117302f2c 12:34:40 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3276-g8aa61a8: Rename effects.cc timed_effects.cc. 10(5 minutes ago, 30 files, 1993+ 2027-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aa61a880a44 12:35:10 !send wheals time 12:35:10 Sending time to wheals. 12:35:41 wheals: did you test tiles compilation 12:36:18 <|amethyst> wheals: err 12:36:31 <|amethyst> wheals: in the MSVC project you wrote time.cc and time.h 12:40:06 true 12:40:08 * wheals shrugs 12:41:39 wheals: I think this is nearly the last of the terrible files 12:41:49 stuff is dead, monstuff is dead... 12:41:58 skills2 was merged away... 12:42:24 I think misc is the last of the really awful files? 12:42:30 well, awfully organized 12:42:40 obviously beam.cc & initfile.cc have their own charms 12:45:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48:28 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:49:37 -!- Erashi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:41 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:35 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:42 !cmd =badplace 13:00:42 Command: =badplace => .echo the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&Hell&Hell&Cocytus&beam.cc&beam.cc&ray.cc&4chan&##crawl 13:01:06 !cmd =badplace .echo the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&Hell&Hell&Cocytus&beam.cc&beam.cc&stuff.cc&ray.cc&4chan&##crawl 13:01:06 Redefined command: =badplace => .echo the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&the Abyss&Hell&Hell&Cocytus&beam.cc&beam.cc&stuff.cc&ray.cc&4chan&##crawl 13:01:30 huh, cocyus specifically 13:01:34 *t 13:02:10 hm 13:02:13 i think i had a reason for it 13:02:43 PleasingFungus: there's still libutil.h, though 13:03:03 that's bad but not really misc.cc tier 13:03:06 imo 13:03:09 true 13:03:14 I have sophisticated crawl sourcefile tier lists. 13:03:24 godbless.cc is god-tier, obv 13:03:26 the original idea was for this to be time.cc so i could steal today_is_halloween from there 13:03:30 heh 13:03:37 but time.h is apparently a system header 13:03:41 yep 13:04:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:07:03 <|amethyst> I'm about to push the msvc rename 13:07:22 <|amethyst> (making it say timed_effect instead of time) 13:07:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3277-gf14698b: Don't disconnect lemuel_reptile_caves (#9304) 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f14698bcd0ed 13:07:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3278-g9978c48: Name timed_effects.cc correctly in the MSVC project. 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9978c48e3feb 13:07:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3279-g21cd28a: Add some missing carriage returns. 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21cd28a1113a 13:11:16 <|amethyst> wonder if that vault should have no_pool_fixup 13:11:17 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/capt_cutlass.png avast matey 13:11:17 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:13:06 <|amethyst> !tell theTower thoughts on adding no_pool_fixup to lemuel_reptile_caves? It would make some loot paths much more constrained for non-fliers (and won't break connectivity now) 13:13:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let thetower know. 13:17:14 -!- cs_0x6373 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:56 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:56 Good night. Can anyone please advise, is it currently possible to make a regexp to work only on gaining/losing *permanent* mutations? 13:38:48 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:58 There was a "You feel extremely strange." message before when a LOF-malmutation connected on you, but I haven't seen it in some time. 13:46:12 -!- heftig_ is now known as heftig 13:51:53 -!- speranza has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:52:08 -!- speranza_ is now known as speranza 14:02:30 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:30 The build was broken. (master - 8aa61a8 #1230 : Shmuale Mark): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44963935 14:02:30 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:04:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:05:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:21 nemelex seems to give decks a LOT faster on ziggurats 14:07:23 is that intended? 14:12:54 <|amethyst> !learn add commit_histogram git log --pretty=format:%ai --author "Your Name" | cut -d - -f 1-2 | sort | uniq -c 14:12:54 commit histogram[1/1]: git log --pretty=format:%ai --author "Your Name" | cut -d - -f 1-2 | sort | uniq -c 14:13:58 <|amethyst> (or leave off --author "Your Name": by that measure, 2014-11 is the busiest month we have had since 2010-02 14:13:59 <|amethyst> ) 14:14:00 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:23 "cut/ the delimiter must be a single character" 14:16:02 <|amethyst> oh 14:16:08 <|amethyst> does -d- work ? 14:16:26 yep! 14:16:36 <|amethyst> oh, even better 14:17:39 <|amethyst> !learn del commit_histogram 14:17:40 Deleted commit histogram[1/1]: git log --pretty=format:%ai --author "Your Name" | cut -d - -f 1-2 | sort | uniq -c 14:18:07 <|amethyst> !learn add commit_histogram git log --pretty=format:%ai | cut -d- -f 1-2 | sort | uniq -c | perl -lpe '$SCALE=25; s/^\s*(\d+)\s+//; $_ .= " " . ("#" x int($1/$SCALE))' 14:18:07 commit histogram[1/1]: git log --pretty=format:%ai | cut -d- -f 1-2 | sort | uniq -c | perl -lpe '$SCALE=25; s/^\s*(\d+)\s+//; $_ .= " " . ("#" x int($1/$SCALE))' 14:20:41 <|amethyst> !learn add commit_histogram Or add --author "Your Name" to the git log command, and change $SCALE=25 to 5 or so 14:20:42 commit histogram[2/2]: Or add --author "Your Name" to the git log command, and change $SCALE=25 to 5 or so 14:22:01 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 14:23:40 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:44 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:13 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:25:19 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:26:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:28:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:28:43 <|amethyst> Does anyone recognise the vault in #9328? As described it's probably not a bug (if they needed a blink scroll to get it, I think it's reasonable to require one to get out)... but possibly it's a teleport closet? 14:28:43 |amethyst: no_pool_fixup sounds fine, the vault is rather behind the power curve for its placement as is 14:28:43 theTower: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:28:54 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=6443&type=bug 14:29:27 for some strange reason, I feel like assuming and blaming kennysheep 14:31:30 <|amethyst> probably the monsters could spawn in water some of the time too 14:31:36 <|amethyst> in reptile caves 14:32:04 <|amethyst> and some of those X could be Y or x/W/. instead 14:32:28 I'll throw it into my touch-up list 14:33:09 i'm pretty sure i know whats wrong with the vault in that screenshot, in any case 14:33:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:30 no @ 14:33:33 my guess is it just lacks a proper border or entrance, yes 14:34:01 can't find it with that assumption, time to be more thorough, sigh 14:38:37 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:56 finally, should have realized I was looking in the wrong file from the weapons 14:39:00 it's lightli_minifort 14:40:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3280-g3a29b53: Put more deep water in lemuel_reptile_caves. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a29b53e7d70 14:41:13 <|amethyst> theTower: so why doesn't that sole . on the edge count as an exit 14:41:57 because we didn't make transparent default yet 14:42:34 <|amethyst> oh, when it says "random traversable squares" that counts the mask too? 14:42:47 <|amethyst> making it an explicit @ would work then? 14:42:50 yes 14:43:08 <|amethyst> have at it then :) 14:43:15 rockygargoyle: might be a bug, might not. I don't think it's explicitly intended behaviour and it is kind of silly 14:43:38 you can get like 3 decks per floor 14:43:46 it is worth noting that nemelex still isn't particularly fantastic in a zig _anyway_ >_> 14:44:07 zigelex 14:44:31 he isn't the best god for a zig, but he's good 14:45:00 still no particualrly mass conjurations besides storm 14:45:09 right 14:45:29 but you can summons plords there 14:45:29 that can use mass conjurations for you 14:45:47 or they can get abjured on the floors that matter >_> 14:46:28 ah, right 14:46:30 fire floors matter 14:46:32 imo 14:46:42 -!- ghostmoth has quit [Quit: ghostmoth] 14:48:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:50:34 fifty bolts of fire is _like_ abjuration 14:51:52 -!- FilthyApe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:52 a couple of 3d43 fireballs are also very much like abjuration 14:55:11 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:19 !source fight.cc 14:55:20 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/fight.cc;hb=HEAD 14:55:48 an rf++ panlord takes 20% damage from fireballs (pre-ac) 14:56:23 yeah but their resists are random :^) 14:58:01 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:40 just need more panlords, then 15:00:45 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:05 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:54 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm, why didn't the has_exit thing catch the vault in #9328 (lightli_minifort)? 15:05:37 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, because it just checks that there is a spot at the edge, not that it's connected to something 15:06:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:07:53 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:22 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:33 make: *** No rule to make target `effects.h', needed by `artefact.o'. Stop. 15:21:33 let's see ifa make clean fixes 15:22:27 <|amethyst> yeah, you need make clean or at least rm *.d util/*.d rltiles/*.d whenever a file is removed 15:22:47 <|amethyst> (.d are the auto-generated dependency files) 15:23:14 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:25:28 -!- Meenah has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26:25 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:25 The build was fixed. (master - 3a29b53 #1232 : Neil Moore): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44975899 15:26:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:37:21 -!- Fluttershaft has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:40 -!- FlowRiser has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:04 ??rcfile 15:40:04 rcfile[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt;hb=HEAD 15:40:18 ??rcfile[2 15:40:19 rcfile[2/3]: Examples: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/MarvinPA.rc | http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/elliptic.rc 15:40:34 ??rcfile[3 15:40:34 rcfile[3/3]: For location, see &rc for online and the main menu of crawl offline. 15:40:52 -!- Roderic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:33 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:44:54 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:06 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:45 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:54 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59:27 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:14 -!- halberd has quit [Changing host] 16:00:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:01:31 -!- FlowRiser has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:06:03 !learn add rcfile see {options guide} 16:06:04 rcfile[4/4]: see {options guide} 16:06:06 ??rcfile[4 16:06:06 rcfile[1/4]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt;hb=HEAD 16:06:13 oh 16:06:15 that's 1 16:06:17 durr 16:06:20 !learn del rcfile[4 16:06:20 Deleted rcfile[4/4]: see {options guide} 16:16:02 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:13 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:05 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:28:57 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:56 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:20 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:35:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:38:09 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42:35 "Propossal: Change the name of the Green Dragon to Red Dragon. Also change the tile so that this dragon is actually red. In the same way change the name and coloration of green dragon hide and armour." 16:43:14 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:44:47 heh, his post ends in a tvtropes link 16:44:50 powerful.... 16:46:49 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 16:47:43 hrm. I could swear that https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14493&view=unread#unread was a thing that once existed but that marvinpa removed 16:47:48 for interface consistency reasons 16:47:52 but I can't find the commit, if it existe 16:47:57 d 16:48:05 i could also swear that it exists/ed 16:48:14 and if it did then i didn't remove it, just added an option to disable it 16:48:24 also plausible 16:49:03 that's it I quit! 16:49:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:49:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:22 tisk tisk, not nearly convincing enough 16:50:38 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8184 16:50:39 perplexing 16:51:08 MarvinPA: ah, well found! 16:51:23 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:41 not sure where the actual commit is or if it's still possible to enable that behaviour though 16:52:49 I will test. 16:52:53 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:56 (not that i would want to, ew) 16:52:59 yes 16:56:50 hrm, fast_ring_swap = true doesn't seem to work 16:57:53 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 16:59:04 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:32 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:01:45 hrm, crate seems to think it works 17:01:47 idk 17:03:21 now that I've won every single race, are there any race concepts seriously being considered for the main game 17:03:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:32 salamanders 17:05:21 k 17:05:29 time to wait until they hit trunk 17:05:37 (assuming they do) 17:08:37 nothing will ever hit trunk again. 17:08:39 crawl is over. 17:08:42 it's done. 17:08:44 sorry, Lightli. 17:08:51 rip 17:09:07 !hs gammafunk ru 17:09:07 3. gammafunk the Basher (L14 NaWz of Ru), mangled by Crauler's ghost on Lair:8 (special_room; special_room_bee) on 2014-07-30 17:51:01, with 52626 points after 27276 turns and 2:34:15. 17:09:13 rip 17:10:43 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:27 -!- CcS has quit [] 17:14:40 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:39 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:24:45 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3280-g3a29b53 (34) 17:25:01 -!- Davion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:18 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:22 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:34:37 -!- HamsterSaurusMex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:19 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:27 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:35:27 -!- [1]AtomikKrab is now known as AtomikKrab 17:36:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:42:39 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:23 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:48 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:50:39 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:52:38 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:57:09 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:58:42 -!- Fluttershaft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:13:01 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:16 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:31 -!- ibar has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:23:30 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:32:01 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:09 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:55 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:14 -!- Cryp71c__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:35:49 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:24 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:39:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 18:46:48 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:02 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:17 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:40 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:42 !lg . ru 18:55:42 3. gammafunk the Markscentaur (L12 CeAM of Ru), quit the game on Lair:4 on 2014-12-23 06:26:08, with 21634 points after 24641 turns and 2:23:35. 18:56:09 not looking forrward to playing that one again, but maybe it'll go better next time 18:57:31 play Tr of ru 18:57:46 sacrifice arcana, love, potion, and something else 18:58:06 no I've won tr already 18:58:10 need ce and am 18:59:26 ??gammafunk[3 18:59:26 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Ru NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ash HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 18:59:52 aww, no ru love, gammafunk? 18:59:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:58 Didja sacrifice it? 19:00:02 !greatplayer 19:00:08 Unwon species for doy: Demigod, Felid, Formicid, Ghoul, Halfling, High Elf, Human, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Tengu, Troll 19:00:14 hmmm, i should get on that 19:02:11 !greaterplayer doy 19:02:13 !polytheist doy 19:02:14 Unwon gods for doy: , Ashenzari, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Fedhas, Gozag, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Qazlal, Ru, Xom, Zin 19:02:17 Unwon backgrounds for doy: Abyssal Knight, Air Elementalist, Arcane Marksman, Artificer, Conjurer, Earth Elementalist, Healer, Necromancer, Skald, Transmuter, Wanderer, Wizard 19:02:27 FoAK definitely 19:02:31 DgWn almost as definitely <3 19:02:48 I think I'm actually gonna change this 19:02:54 HuAr (especially of Zin) 19:02:57 (right gammafunk?) 19:03:28 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/^Ru/^Oka/ 19:03:29 No change: regex `^Ru` does not match `greaterplayer: CeAM^Ru NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ash HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva)` 19:03:38 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/\\^Ru/^Oka/ 19:03:38 No change: regex `\\^Ru` does not match `greaterplayer: CeAM^Ru NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ash HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva)` 19:03:41 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/\^Ru/^Oka/ 19:03:41 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ash HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 19:03:50 !polytheist gammafunk 19:03:51 Unwon gods for gammafunk: Ashenzari, Beogh, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Jiyva, Lugonu, Makhleb, Okawaru, Qazlal, Ru, Xom, Zin 19:03:55 rip. 19:04:03 aww :( 19:04:11 Lasty: ruined. 19:04:17 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/VSWz^Ash/VSWz^Ru/ 19:04:17 No change: regex `VSWz^Ash` does not match `greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ash HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva)` 19:04:17 !lm 19:04:18 4364. [2014-12-23 08:39:06] doy the Slicer (L12 HaAK of Lugonu) left the Lair of Beasts on turn 15052. (Lair:1) 19:04:22 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/VSWz\^Ash/VSWz^Ru/ 19:04:22 got that going on right now 19:04:22 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 19:04:26 enjoy drinking my tears, gammafunk 19:04:33 oh, problem solved 19:04:44 maybe dgwn next(: 19:05:12 !lg gammafunk ru 19:05:12 3. gammafunk the Markscentaur (L12 CeAM of Ru), quit the game on Lair:4 on 2014-12-23 06:26:08, with 21634 points after 24641 turns and 2:23:35. 19:05:27 why the quit? 19:05:31 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/HOAs^Oka/HOAs^Ash|Beogh/ 19:05:31 No change: regex `HOAs^Oka` does not match `greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Oka HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva)` 19:05:35 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/HOAs\^Oka/HOAs^Ash|Beogh/ 19:05:35 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Ash|Beogh HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 19:05:40 oh it was just terrible 19:05:59 not great ranged with not great melee meant even blink frogs were terrible 19:06:04 and hexes held it barely together 19:06:05 !lg gammafunk ru -log 19:06:05 3. gammafunk, XL12 CeAM, T:24641: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20141223-062608.txt 19:06:10 but I gambled with sacrifice arcana 19:06:10 ouch 19:06:13 and lost hexes, charms 19:06:34 and self heal doesn't exactly kill monsters 19:06:43 I think VSWz^Ru 19:06:46 will be more interesting 19:06:46 gammafunk: you know you can decline the arcana after seeing what the offer is 19:07:00 so it's not a gamble 19:07:03 I had already declined I think 19:07:09 I was tired of getting little out of Ru 19:07:14 so I was like, whatever I'll try it 19:07:21 wanted the abilities to be there 19:07:26 gotcha 19:07:44 with VSWz I could even sac armour, and sac arcana is even less foolhardy 19:08:06 could go more melee or more mage with that 19:08:15 Lemme just make sure you know this tho: when you choose to sac arcana, it tells you what you're sacrificing and then you get a chance to decline. There's no surprise element 19:08:25 yeah I rejected one before then 19:08:30 was like -MR 19:08:31 ok 19:08:35 whichever that one is 19:08:40 essence 19:08:41 but I didn't want -MR 19:08:42 yeah 19:08:47 tha's fair 19:08:54 -MR is so painful 19:09:02 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09:04 unless you find amulet of winds 19:09:13 yeah or Mu with just another mr source or something 19:10:00 ??gammafunk[3 19:10:00 gammafunk[3/12]: greaterplayer: CeAM^Oka NaVM^Chei MfSk^Xom FoAK^Lucy MiBe^Makky VSWz^Ru HOAs^Ash|Beogh HuFE^Zin DESu^(Sif|Jiyva) 19:10:05 I think this is a pretty good set 19:10:19 took me a while to figure out which gods would be least annoying with what cls, species 19:10:38 but NaVM^chei, actually not terribly sure about that 19:10:44 guess I can move into melee more there 19:11:02 consolidating your careful positioning I see 19:12:19 !lm * recent rune noun=decaying|barnacled sk=summonings s=turns,name o=-turns 19:12:20 167 milestones for * (recent rune noun=decaying|barnacled sk=summonings): 7892 (gammafunk), 8266 (gammafunk), 8708 (gammafunk), 8760 (gammafunk), 8807 (gammafunk), 8872 (gammafunk), 8969 (gammafunk), 9107 (gammafunk), 9165 (gammafunk), 9349 (gammafunk), 9387 (gammafunk), 9480 (gammafunk), 9481 (gammafunk), 9560 (gammafunk), 9626 (gammafunk), 9766 (gammafunk), 9945 (gammafunk), 10020 (gammafunk), 1... 19:12:34 Lasty: careful positioning is what gets you the score! 19:12:50 !lm * recent rune noun=silver sk=summonings s=turns,name o=-turns 19:12:51 74 milestones for * (recent rune noun=silver sk=summonings): 14205 (gammafunk), 14270 (gammafunk), 14580 (gammafunk), 14855 (gammafunk), 15123 (gammafunk), 15946 (gammafunk), 16707 (gammafunk), 18527 (gammafunk), 18639 (gammafunk), 20160 (gammafunk), 29763 (jacquesderrida), 32292 (jacquesderrida), 37631 (jacquesderrida), 47584 (Phillip), 51506 (MrPlanck), 52450 (Cas), 53018 (sdynet), 53890 (Nomi),... 19:12:57 No, careful positioning is what gets -you- the score 19:13:04 It just keeps me alive 19:13:13 !lm * recent rune noun=silver sk=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery s=turns,name o=-turns 19:13:14 2300 milestones for * (recent rune noun=silver sk=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery): 12404 (keymashgrqeeg), 13221 (tlatlagkaus), 14036 (keymashgrqeeg), 14101 (keymashgrqeeg), 14219 (keymashgrqeeg), 14362 (PurpleRed), 14909 (PurpleRed), 15165 (hanon12), 15738 (redmage), 15985 (hanon12), 16223 (hanon12), 16381 (spelunker), 17055 (spelunker), 17302 (PurpleRed), 17336 (PurpleRed), 17349 (spelunke... 19:13:29 !lm * recent rune noun=silver sk=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery skill=summonings s=turns,name o=-turns 19:13:30 No milestones for * (recent rune noun=silver sk=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery skill=summonings). 19:13:43 !lm * recent rune noun=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery skill=summonings s=turns,name o=-turns 19:13:43 52 milestones for * (recent rune noun=glowing|demonic|shadowy|magical|fiery skill=summonings): 21546 (gammafunk), 22399 (gammafunk), 25820 (gammafunk), 26809 (gammafunk), 27809 (gammafunk), 29808 (gammafunk), 31050 (gammafunk), 31343 (gammafunk), 31723 (gammafunk), 48800 (jacquesderrida), 49700 (jacquesderrida), 54741 (bart), 61787 (Kashira), 69093 (Spectrina), 69587 (Spectrina), 71858 (Spectrina)... 19:13:58 I also have best golden, but not hell 19:14:04 since I quit that one after golden 19:14:17 bart! 19:14:28 !lg bart skill=summonings recent 19:14:29 1. bart the Demonologist (L26 MuNe of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-06-07 09:50:32, with 1760424 points after 62962 turns and 9:30:06. 19:14:34 lol 19:14:53 oh wow, did he get a pan rune for his third 19:15:07 !lg bart skill=summonings recent -log 19:15:08 1. bart, XL26 MuNe, T:62962: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/bart/morgue-bart-20140607-095032.txt 19:15:16 nah, golden 19:15:18 !lm bart MuNe recent rune s=noun,turns 19:15:18 3 milestones for bart (MuNe recent rune): serpentine (26317), decaying (31712), golden (55800) 19:15:56 !lm bart recent rune skill=summonings noun=glowing|fiery|magical|shadowy|demonic 19:15:57 1. [2014-11-17 20:42:30] bart the Convoker (L22 HuFE of Ashenzari) found a demonic rune of Zot on turn 54741. (Pan) 19:16:10 !lg bart hufe recent -log 19:16:11 3. bart, XL27 HuFE, T:72554: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/bart/morgue-bart-20141118-192446.txt 19:16:58 interesting 19:18:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:20:16 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:45 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:27 what are these beautiful blue rock tiles. well done 19:25:52 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:26:17 -!- weezeface has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:53 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:31:23 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:32:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:34:22 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:37 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:34:56 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:38:49 -!- muravey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:22 they are lovely 19:39:30 I use them in gammafunk_depths_water_palace 19:39:52 as well as the nice turquoise floor 19:45:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:13 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:48:24 -!- somebody has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:14 |amethyst: rip 19:53:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: no excuse for that one 19:56:29 <|amethyst> !lg . xl>18 s=rend o=. 19:56:29 15 games for |amethyst (xl>18): 20141124015141S, 20141123033312S, 20140605234259S, 20140516222546S, 20140115214905S, 20131004204819S, 20130815151258S, 20120727182002S, 20120711162625S, 20120009021149S, 20111126144653S, 20110904205419S, 20110731025826S, 20110727142522S, 20110721093948S 19:56:40 <|amethyst> !lg . xl>18 s=rend,char o=. 19:56:40 15 games for |amethyst (xl>18): 20141124015141S (GrBe), 20141123033312S (SpWr), 20140605234259S (GrEE), 20140516222546S (DECj), 20140115214905S (GrMo), 20131004204819S (GrWn), 20130815151258S (GrEE), 20120727182002S (MiGl), 20120711162625S (MfGl), 20120009021149S (DEWz), 20111126144653S (MfGl), 20110904205419S (HOHe), 20110731025826S (SpSt), 20110727142522S (FeTm), 20110721093948S (SpSt) 19:57:02 <|amethyst> I think Gr might be too easy :P 19:58:10 !lg goodplayers recent s=crace / won o=% 19:58:13 4586/100600 games for goodplayers (recent): 164/1668x Centaur [9.83%], 12/160x Lava Orc [7.50%], 120/1605x Halfling [7.48%], 225/3064x Merfolk [7.34%], 320/4574x Gargoyle [7.00%], 300/4315x Minotaur [6.95%], 186/2764x Deep Dwarf [6.73%], 124/2051x Ghoul [6.05%], 214/3712x Hill Orc [5.77%], 184/3223x Draconian [5.71%], 206/3621x Ogre [5.69%], 168/3136x Troll [5.36%], 113/2118x Felid [5.34%], 136/28... 19:58:23 centaur, really? 19:58:55 didn't really expect halfling either 19:59:07 Ha is underappreciated :) 20:00:53 it's pretty strong, but it's not really more interesting than anything else 20:02:12 question: is no_pool_fixup the default in some branches? 20:02:48 Grunt: ?any reason http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc;h=bfba7637e7c77#l2790 is not div_rand_round instead of integer division? 20:03:03 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:03:16 because yes i am a broken record until someone takes the damn needle off the record 20:04:13 grunt 20:04:23 -!- Zermako_ has quit [] 20:04:23 pls make salamander af:fire cauterize hydras 20:04:25 :) 20:04:50 i thitnk that's already a fr in process 20:05:08 Rejoice. 20:05:33 !lm tabstorm sa 20:05:34 29. [2014-12-22 07:58:01] tabstorm the Severer (L14 SaBe of Trog) killed Maud on turn 23592. (Lair:3) 20:05:56 !lm tabstorm sa x=src 20:05:56 29. [2014-12-22 07:58:01] [src=cbro] tabstorm the Severer (L14 SaBe of Trog) killed Maud on turn 23592. (Lair:3) 20:06:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:25 <|amethyst> nicolae-: not as far as I can tell, no 20:07:29 also rf: not rc- 20:07:37 negative resist + slow is dumb 20:07:45 "hello there mister ice beast" 20:08:18 ice beast (12Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:5-14) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 130 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 20:08:18 %??ice beast 20:08:23 pls don't be dodgy today 20:09:30 10 ev 20:09:38 thats ninja ev 20:09:39 right there 20:09:56 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:09:56 %??orc 20:10:07 kobold (07K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 20:10:07 %??kobold 20:10:10 dang 20:10:11 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:13:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:33 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:48 -!- SANIC has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:27 -!- Chase has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:27:49 _Dispater zaps a wand. The puff of frost misses you. It is a wand of frost. 20:28:34 nice 20:29:23 Grunt: what rc 20:29:59 gammafunk: watching runewalsh on clan 20:30:10 rip 20:30:52 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:56 !lg theglow 20:32:57 526. theglow the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_long_road) on 2014-12-03 19:32:08, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:01. 20:33:01 !lg theglow x=src 20:33:01 526. [src=lld] theglow the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_long_road) on 2014-12-03 19:32:08, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:01. 20:33:12 -!- weezeface has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:32 |amethyst: have you heard that people are using accounts created on other servers to do things like break streaks? 20:33:40 nothing we can really do about it at present, I guess 20:33:55 <|amethyst> yes, we discussed what to do about it a few weeks ago 20:34:01 oh ok 20:34:12 <|amethyst> basically, there's not much we can do until we consolidate accounts and registration 20:34:34 yeah, consolidated accounts/registration would be lovely 20:37:36 one of many architectural improvements 20:38:11 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:30 fr: Praying while worshipping Ash gives a prompt, "Corrupt how many scrolls?" and then adds the results to your inventory (dropping if there isn't space). 20:39:43 Unless there's something I'm overlooking that makes dropping them good. 20:39:45 ?? 20:40:10 read: the thing you're overlooking is: 20:40:14 why have curse scrolls at all 20:40:47 I've thought we could just directly have a Curse Item ability; have it eat remove curse scrolls if you want to preserve that balancing act. 20:40:53 having a central accoutn system would definitely be nice 20:40:54 Well. 20:41:00 I'd love that, Grunt, but I figured. 20:41:02 its about time something like that happened, really 20:41:02 Pick your battles. 20:41:15 It wouldn't spend piety, right? 20:41:19 how many servers are there now anyway? I cant even keep track of them any more, heh 20:41:23 ??servers 20:41:23 servers[1/1]: See {cao}, {cszo}, {cbro} (US), or {cdo}, {clan}, {cxc} (EU), or {ckr}, {lld}, {cpo} (Asia-Pacific). Also http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 20:41:33 cost piety* 20:42:50 <|amethyst> evilmike: just wait until TZer0 gets his docker thing going! 20:42:55 <|amethyst> evilmike: servers on demand! 20:47:06 |amethyst: but cszo is our *home*! that'd be the equivalent of living in some nameless apartment block! 20:48:04 also if neil even takes down cszo we'll stage protests at his uni 20:48:12 s/even/ever/ 20:51:23 <|amethyst> I would say "cattle not pets" but I'm a vegetarian 20:53:51 ...green beans not cacti? 20:53:58 hey there's a plan to make it a bit harder to get +9 weapons, right? seems easy since enchant weapon failure isn't a thing any more. i heard the idea is to make it so higher levels cost more scrolls 20:54:26 I don't recall a plan like this 20:54:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: r not K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory 20:54:38 well, farms vs. potted plants might be more approproate 20:54:40 Not sure why, since ?ew are not terribly easy to come by 20:54:47 i saw something on the dev wiki anyway 20:54:59 i occasionally look at the "next version" plan pages 20:55:06 well we have 20:55:10 ??0.16_plan 20:55:10 0.16 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.16_plans 20:55:19 but we haven't been updating that terribly much 20:55:30 I think it's current-ish, but some things on there aren't getting much attention 20:55:53 yeah those things were never updated much, but they're still a lot better than when I was active here :P 20:56:16 I should go through and do an update on that page based on what's been done 20:56:18 %git 20:56:18 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3280-g3a29b53: Put more deep water in lemuel_reptile_caves. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a29b53e7d70 20:56:36 of course, "cattle not pets" is problematic as long as you don't have a common auth infrastructure or a better way to track what servers are available >.> 20:56:37 commit-wise we're about due for a release I guess, but I don't know our timeframe 20:56:51 evilmike: you could always just cut ?ew spawns even more 20:57:04 clearly crawl,com in the cloud, sending users to ephemeral game servers based on load 20:57:24 or nearby. crawl delivery networks! 20:57:29 i dont think i'd like them to be super rare, its nice to be able to afford low level enchants, but still keep high level ones difficult to obtain 20:57:46 Is depth weighting a thing 20:57:56 Could just do that 20:57:57 not really. some items are banned on the first few d levels 20:58:01 but that's about the extent of it 20:58:01 o 20:58:36 not for consumables, anyway 20:58:43 <|amethyst> it's possible though 20:58:56 <|amethyst> could give them inverse depth weight, but that's weird 20:59:10 <|amethyst> because it means they're more likely in floor loot than nice vault loot 20:59:13 anyway i dont get +9 weapons until the endgame often 20:59:16 well I don't really see what's the problem with the current situation 20:59:16 evenw ith trog 20:59:31 if you get that +9 that's usually all your ew in one weapon 20:59:34 i think armour does a decent job at this, with caps based on the item's base stats. i guess that wouldnt work for weapons though 20:59:34 unless you want them to basically not exist period, i dont think anything needs a change 20:59:43 <|amethyst> ??objstats 20:59:43 objstats ~ objstat[1/4]: Run with "crawl -objstat" in a full debug console build of crawl ("make debug") to generate item/monster statistics by level/branch; see crawl -help for details 20:59:45 <|amethyst> ??objstats[2] 20:59:45 objstats ~ objstat[2/4]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing 21:00:22 well, I was just thinking back to older versions, where even if you dumped all your scrolls into one weapon, you'd be lucky to get +9 21:00:25 at least in my experience 21:00:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: objstat spreadsheet shows 14 in a 3-rune game 21:01:05 anyway I'm not opinionated here, was just curious about this for some reason 21:01:05 Enchanting has been buffed a little but i don't think it's affected game balance a whole lot 21:01:07 yeah, but that's including all portal types 21:01:09 That sounds about right from my past few games :) 21:01:37 weapon enchantments aren't all that important 21:01:51 and it's not like the different isn't getting smaller and smaller past the first few plusses 21:02:44 the difference from only like +6 and +9 is really not that much, so making it difficult to go from e.g. 6 to 9 won't achieve much 21:04:21 oh i see there's a vague "spellpower" item on that page 21:04:44 one thing i always thought was, if spellpower ever gets revamped, a major goal should be to make it easier to compare spells (especially damage spells) 21:04:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:05:03 also the average ?ew in 0.16 seems to be 13, not 15 21:05:05 er not 14 21:05:08 e.g. the number of pips on the spell list would represent, roughly, the average damage against a single target 21:05:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah, I was looking at 0.15 21:05:53 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 21:05:56 yeah, maybe we moved some weight around, or the 1k iterations is just better precision 21:06:28 <|amethyst> evilmike: I think I'd rather show damage separately and keep spellpower the same for all spells as it is now 21:06:42 that would be cool if it can fit on the screen 21:06:49 <|amethyst> evilmike: show damage instead of spellpower for damage spells maybe 21:07:01 maybe it could just be shown when you examine the spell 21:07:07 well damage depends on ac 21:07:08 <|amethyst> evilmike: which is basically what you said from the user's point of view I guess 21:07:13 showing damage, range, accuracy 21:07:28 I guess we could assume some reasonable ac value, but 21:07:38 <|amethyst> evilmike: I kind of want to see more stuff in z/M rather than having to go to per-spell screens 21:07:49 yeah of course it depends on ac, so you wouldn't ever get an exact way to compare stuff. it's just nice to have some way of getting a rough idea 21:07:55 <|amethyst> evilmike: could add more modes/pages to cycle through 21:08:07 -!- t4nk217 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:08:10 <|amethyst> evilmike: (and add those pages to M, not just z) 21:08:35 i've felt that about weapons too - some way of displaying the expected "damage per turn" against some hypothetical target with 0(?) ac. 21:08:45 why not ordinal values: sultana damage, choko damage, huge dmg, uncannily damage, almost entirely damage 21:08:50 haha 21:09:40 spell hunger: strawberry 21:09:59 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:23 level of torment: |amethyst, PleasingFungus, gammafunk, evilmike, Grunt, ??? 21:10:44 <|amethyst> evilmike: taking into account your current stats etc? that's getting pretty close to fsim 21:11:20 lemuel? 21:11:22 <|amethyst> evilmike: which isn't great implementationwise... you pretty much have to simulate the full attack 21:11:37 gammafunk: Linley, obviously 21:11:39 |amethyst: i don't think it would have to. my reasoning is just that it should be good enough to compare 2 weapons, and see which is better damage-wise 21:12:02 that's never been easy to do for a lot of cases 21:12:13 <|amethyst> you need to at least know the player's skill to judge that, though 21:12:19 nicolae-: was that for Grunt? 21:12:21 but I agree 21:12:34 i have no idea how much damage most weapons do 21:12:42 but yeah i know this is actually not easy at all to implement 21:12:49 i just use the following rule: if its not a 2h, it had better be elec - or else its bad 21:12:51 wanna know what's fun to think about 21:12:52 cutting ew scrolls would have the problem of increasing variance 21:12:58 what's better 21:13:02 reading back through the log 21:13:04 a +4 demon blade of freezing 21:13:09 or a +1 scimitar of elec 21:13:16 +1 scim of lee 21:13:17 elec* 21:13:23 by a slight margin 21:13:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: uniq_first_enchant_scroll 21:13:32 ... 21:13:33 <|amethyst> (not really) 21:13:39 i think a good start (although still non trivial) would be to show the "actual" damage roll the weapon currently will have, rather than just giving you its base dmg and the enchantment 21:13:53 what is a damage roll 21:13:56 Showing damage numbers? Sounds heretical 21:14:19 oh wait, no 21:14:20 yeah i know crawl doesnt roll dice for weapons 21:14:23 the demon blade is better 21:14:26 <|amethyst> doesn't have to be numbers 21:14:34 ??weapon damage 21:14:34 weapon damage[1/3]: Approximately: 1d(base*strength_bonus)*skill_bonus + 1d(to_dam + slaying) + various bonuses. Weapon {brand} is applied after monster AC reduction. 21:14:38 the dagger does choko daage 21:14:38 <|amethyst> s/numbers/exact rolls/ 21:14:39 *damage 21:14:40 err 21:14:43 "Uncannily damage" 21:14:43 How is it even calculated 21:14:47 s/choko/sultana 21:14:47 Why aren't there die anyway? 21:15:00 <|amethyst> but something like how we show AC with the str/armour bonuses included 21:15:03 ??str 21:15:04 str[1/4]: Strength reduces penalties from wearing body armour; see {aevp}. In 0.14 and before has special effects on launcher speed and damage. In 0.15+ has identical, small impact on both melee and launcher damage. 21:15:07 even when learndb says "1dx" it really means "1dx - 1" usually 21:15:07 it's about a million different calculations, added in an adhoc and arbitrary fashion 21:15:10 ??weapon skill 21:15:10 weapon skill[1/2]: Affects {attack delay}, weapon accuracy, and {weapon damage}. It is rarely worth it to train weapon skill beyond what is needed to maximize your attack speed. 21:15:13 <|amethyst> though to be fair there you have to wear the armour 21:15:20 ??weapon skill[2 21:15:21 cross training[1/1]: 40% of the exp in any weapon skill is used to boost the cross-trained skill for free. Short <-> Long Blades, Maces <-> Axes, Axes <-> Polearms, Polearms <-> Staves, Maces <-> Staves, Sling <-> Throwing 21:15:21 evilmike: that's in "various bonuses"! 21:15:24 ulch 21:15:32 |amethyst: str doesn't increase AC. 21:15:40 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I was thinking EV, sorry 21:15:45 muscle = armor right 21:15:50 (^: 21:15:52 My Muscle Is My Shield 21:15:56 (but that'd be SH!) 21:16:30 damage *= 2500 + (random2(you.skill(wpn_skill, 100) + 1)) 21:16:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:42 and then divided by 2500 :D 21:17:13 Oneshot damage indicators: bat, orc, ogre, hydra, vault guard, greater mummy 21:17:15 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:08 vault guard, titan, hell sentinel, greater mummy* 21:18:21 Hell Sentinel (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 122-161 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2907 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], iron shot (3d33) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:18:21 %??hell sentinel 21:18:23 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 189-211 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6235 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead / sum.emperor scorpions, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.scarabs / sum.mana viper, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 21:18:23 %??greater mummy 21:18:42 eh 21:18:49 a lot of the bulk of hell sentinels is that most characters don't do humongous damage 21:19:01 and thus their AC really slows down the process of tearing them down 21:19:21 if you do 100+ damage in one go then they're shrubbery 21:22:22 PleasingFungus: btw it doesn't increase the variance in number of ew scrolls to lower the probility of an scroll being ew 21:22:38 trying to think of the right term 21:22:52 or more cleaning lowering that probability actually lowers the variance 21:22:59 god damn it 21:23:04 more cleaning 21:23:32 it's the curse scroll problem - the odds of getting flooded or starved increase as you decrease the number of trials (scrolls generated) 21:23:45 relevant to early-game rcurse, anyway 21:23:46 !send PleasingFungus the curse skull problem 21:23:46 Sending the curse skull problem to PleasingFungus. 21:23:50 ! 21:23:52 spooky.... 21:23:58 Standard deviation 21:24:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: variance in the output of the player's utility function given the number of scrolls 21:24:13 PleasingFungus: that's your problem, we're not decreasing the number of trials 21:24:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk: assuming that utility function has a negative second derivative 21:25:25 i have so many remove curse scrolls i can't play the game anymore 21:25:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you might not be increasing the variance, but you are increasing the number of games with 0 scrolls 21:25:42 same 21:25:59 yes that is certainly true 21:26:14 just out of curiosity, what is the Official Position on putting pre-defined chimeras into vaults 21:26:17 the utility function of ew is pretty different from that of rcurse, of course 21:26:22 i'm asking for a friend 21:26:27 utility function of ewwwwwwww 21:26:27 ww-keys deactivated 21:26:32 nicolae-: the official position is that chimeras are terrible and need to be redesigned from scratch 21:26:33 er 21:26:35 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:36 hi, sequell.... 21:26:46 -!- SickSadWorld has quit [Client Quit] 21:26:57 whoooooo wants to redesign chimerasssssssss 21:26:58 chimeras as hostiles certainly is not seen as a good idea 21:27:01 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27:03 PleasingFungus: so i should hold off before siccing the kraken-manticore-siren chimeras on unsuspecting shoals players 21:27:18 theTower: me! me!!! 21:27:24 chimera (kraken, manticore, siren) (06H) | Spd: 12 | HD: 16 | HP: 186-227 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50, 26, 19 | Res: 06magic(64) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2397 | Sp: spawn tentacles [11!AM, 06!sil], ink cloud [11!AM, 06!sil], throw barbs (2d13) [11!AM, 06!sil], siren song [11!AM] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:27:24 %??kraken-manticore-siren chimera 21:27:27 yeah something where there's more sense in choosing the parts 21:27:29 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:27:30 it might even be on my todolist somewhere 21:27:30 weak 21:27:34 could be more interesting 21:27:42 Bloax: good hp and xp and ac 21:27:55 chimera (kraken, hellephant, ettin) (06H) | Spd: 14 | HD: 16 | HP: 188-230 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50, 4507(trample), 45 | Res: 06magic(64), 13neg+++ | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2712 | Sp: spawn tentacles [11!AM, 06!sil], ink cloud [11!AM, 06!sil], fire breath (3d32) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:27:55 %??kraken-hellephant-ettin chimera 21:27:59 I've been using new BoB 21:27:59 that's better 21:28:01 it's passable 21:28:05 <|amethyst> can kraken chimerae actually spawn their tentacles? 21:28:07 <|amethyst> without crashing? 21:28:08 they can! 21:28:11 it's really just "make a meat bag" 21:28:13 i just tried it 21:28:17 <|amethyst> miracles! 21:28:21 but the meat bag is more useful at 10 evo 21:28:32 unknown monster: "meat bag" 21:28:32 %??meat bag 21:28:43 i once saw a 21:28:44 unknown monster: "meatbag" 21:28:44 %??meatbag 21:28:44 unknown monster: "meatlord" 21:28:44 %??meatlord 21:28:44 fr: make box of beasts into box of meat and make it actually summon meat bags 21:28:54 what the heck 21:28:56 chimera (golden dragon, golden dragon, fire dragon) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 93-121 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 40, 20, 2009(claw) | Res: 06magic(72), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++ | Vul: 11silver | XP: 1623 | Sp: b.fire (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.cold (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], poisonous cloud (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.fire (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.cold (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], poisonous cloud (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], fire breath (3d36) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 21:28:56 %??golden dragon-golden dragon-fire dragon chimera 21:28:57 fleshlord (05p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 60 | HP: 3000 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, 07vault | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire, 04fire+++ | Vul: 08holy | XP: 15000 | Sp: pain (d43), b.fire (3d73), blink [04emergency] / pain (d43), throw flame (3d23), haste | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 21:28:57 %??fleshlord 21:29:00 oh 21:29:02 ty 21:29:07 gammafunk: sounds OP 21:29:08 it was pretty stronk 21:29:23 bag of meat: orc hp:400 hd:30 name:bag_of_meat n_rpl n_des n_spe n_zom 21:29:23 <|amethyst> %??spec: bag of meat 21:29:38 takin' it to 27. every. single. day. 21:30:06 on 1% of openings the box explodes in your face 21:30:10 and spawns the unspeakable 21:30:17 hostile, of course 21:30:29 the axe of woe lies at your feet, too 21:31:16 what you do next doesn't matter because it turns out that you were just having a bad case of knockout dreams 21:31:23 and thus they both poof before your eyes 21:31:35 fleshlords don't have those spells ingame do they? 21:32:15 <|amethyst> every time I hear of The Unspeakable, I think of the Magic Card from Kamigawa block, because I had a silly deck based around creatures with 9 converted mana cost 21:32:33 they don't, there's a bug with chei and lua monspec 21:32:35 that sounds like an incredibly silly deck 21:32:37 hm 21:32:41 HM 21:32:46 what did The Unspeakable do 21:32:46 theTower: specifically with spells:., iirc? 21:32:51 i have a sinister idea 21:33:00 yes, the new spelspec after mon-spell-slots 21:33:04 a truly unspeakable idea 21:33:16 Bloax: in SAngband, quaffing an unidentified potion of death (yes those exist) gives you a fake death screen until you exit and then you are back to normal 21:33:24 obviously in other variants it just kills you. 21:33:34 SAngband 21:33:34 st_: in slash'em extended there's a scroll that kills you 21:33:41 except then it identifies your items if you want it to 21:33:45 and then does nothing 21:33:46 but can you use it in the Sorrow's river or 21:33:53 things like that are pretty hilarious 21:34:24 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:14 <|amethyst> nicolae-: blue flying trample (not really huge though) bounced arcane spells to your hand when it damaged a player 21:35:29 <|amethyst> nicolae-: it was really only in there because of the 9 21:35:34 ah 21:35:52 were you using the 9 cmc somehow or just messing around 21:36:05 <|amethyst> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grozoth 21:36:05 9 cmc wow 21:36:30 noice 21:36:41 so sloow 21:37:48 <|amethyst> oh, yeah, I never actually won against a competitive deck with it 21:37:52 <|amethyst> that wasn't the point 21:38:11 some days you just gotta do weird shit with your deck 21:42:08 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:45 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:44:25 deckbuilding was my favorite part of mtg 21:44:31 so much room for creativity 21:45:09 mtg reminds me of the cock magic episode 21:45:23 south park episode* 21:45:33 cock magic episode 21:45:42 sounds like an oglaf strip 21:45:44 ...what the hell have you been putting in your autocorrect dictionary 21:45:51 Bloax, that thread you replied to about green dragons 21:45:57 I wonder what language crawl he's playing 21:45:59 <|amethyst> haven't played since Eldrazi... haven't played for real (cards or MTGO) since... probably Invasion? 21:46:03 well, it's an episode of south park called "cock magic" 21:46:14 I forgot to mention it was from south park 21:46:27 ah 21:46:40 i just started playing it a few months ago 21:47:10 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:40 <|amethyst> -1 to red fire dragons 21:47:44 <|amethyst> so D&D 21:48:09 imo I don't like colors as part of monster names except for ugly things 21:48:28 !send Brannock draconians 21:48:28 unknown monster: "git :" 21:48:28 <|amethyst> %??git :/river rat 21:48:28 Sending draconians to Brannock. 21:48:31 -!- weezeface has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:32 <|amethyst> %git :/river rat 21:48:33 07doy02 * 0.16-a0-2312-g43fb89d: make river rats amphibious 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43fb89da493a 21:48:34 how did I forget dracos 21:49:12 <|amethyst> IMO rename draconian colours after dragons 21:49:20 <|amethyst> introduce new dragons as necessary 21:49:25 acid dragon 21:49:26 here: a fire draconian. 21:49:32 *a fire draconian scorcher 21:50:01 -!- caricature has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:50:40 PleasingFungus: looks like amulets of regen might still get autopickup even after you've found one 21:50:47 rip 21:50:53 one thing that is puzzling is how much should stats matter for damage 21:51:11 not too much, but not too little 21:51:21 do you have a problem with current stat:damage ratio 21:51:23 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm, it's in there 21:51:24 because slaying is certainly much better at weapon damage at the moment 21:51:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ae += amulet of (inaccuracy|the gourmand|warding|regeneration) 21:51:38 Brannock: the bonus damage from stats is negligible 21:51:41 unless you like 21:51:43 worship chei 21:51:44 stats do multiple things. slaying only does one 21:51:44 %git hohoho 21:51:44 07bh02 * 0.16-a0-3220-g3269a5c: Further Song of Slaying Reform 10(29 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3269a5cb8c04 21:51:49 in which case you get +15 str/dex 21:51:56 |amethyst: hrm, it wasn't bold yet it was enabled 21:51:58 maybe it's my rc 21:51:59 and suddenly it actually does something 21:52:10 so a big chunk has a big effect 21:52:15 and small bits have small effects 21:52:17 I don't see the problem 21:52:23 Grunt: do you want to make hohoho a thing? 21:52:28 the problem is that there is no source of big chunks 21:52:36 christmas corels do increase damage irl 21:52:37 afaik 21:52:38 except one 21:52:40 Bloax: do you have any interest in decorating some trees? 21:52:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3281-g92b220c: Changelog through 0.16-a0-3280-g3a29b53 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92b220c0eae4 21:53:07 if you really want to build for stats there's plenty of +stat randarts. I know in a couple of my games that went for extended I made a conscious decision to stack +stat artefacts to squeeze more spellpower/punchpower out of my character 21:53:09 will potions of lignification give you christmas tree form? 21:53:10 bh: I'm not going to have time tomorrow :( 21:53:19 in a 3 rune game it's mostly reliant on luck for either +stat or +slay 21:53:25 Grunt: I can get the elf tiles in 21:53:29 very, very quiet week for commits 21:53:38 PleasingFungus: imo go add the Santaeus tiles 21:53:42 >_> <_< 21:53:44 it's probably related to the holiday. jesus is killing crawl 21:53:46 maybe we can get ontoclasm to do it 21:54:00 <|amethyst> 50 stat means *2 damage on average compared to 9-11 21:54:07 also, tr: palm tree tiles so i can put more trees in shoals without them looking silly 21:54:11 er, fr: 21:54:20 tile request 21:54:23 <|amethyst> where "stat" is between str and (str+dex)/2, depending on str weight 21:54:28 that works 21:54:37 str weight is kinda silly except for sblades 21:54:45 but those have such a low damage that it practically does not matter 21:54:50 I am like 99% certain there are palm tree tiles on mantis somewhere 21:55:00 or maybe there were really bad ones in rltiles/UNUSED that I deleted 21:55:05 one of those 21:55:14 aren't those ancient 21:55:23 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:55:29 maybe they were really bad ones from mantis that were put in rltiles/UNUSED/ 21:55:34 we have to go deeper 21:55:52 rltiles/UNUSED/UNUSED/UNUSED/UNUSED/ 21:56:04 tier: never used 21:56:10 would never use 21:56:13 uncannily unused 21:56:16 almost entirely unused 21:56:22 should not be used 21:56:22 update: it was both 21:56:26 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=519 21:56:34 " It was supposed to be a palm tree but I don't think it came out like one so its tree that only grows in crawl! " 21:56:35 519? that's an oldie 21:56:45 those water tiles 21:56:46 not quite five years old 21:56:50 memories flooding back 21:57:05 "Looks quite nice to me." damn tiles had way lower standards in those days 21:57:16 well 21:57:17 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=172&type=bug beautiful 21:57:19 look at the other trees 21:57:20 also i'd forgotten how eye searing shoals was 21:57:22 it's better than them 21:57:22 The flood of elemental memories hits Brannock!!! 21:57:26 honestly 21:57:34 -!- Wah has quit [Quit: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT'S BACON!] 21:57:38 ("in-game_new-tree_swamp.png") 21:57:53 so even that was an improvement in... artist-tree 21:57:55 also i am seeing more chrome in the game 21:57:55 I didn't even realize that was supposed to be swamp 21:57:56 wow 21:58:01 and it's not even me doing it 21:58:12 who did the new vaults metal walls? 21:58:13 the floor tiles are the clue, I think 21:58:18 metal walls? 21:58:20 there aren't new vaults metal walls 21:58:23 there are new vaults stone walls 21:58:30 done by some loser who talks too much about chei, probably 21:58:34 yeah 21:58:36 i hate that guy 21:58:38 he's so annoying 21:58:41 same 21:58:43 they don't flow into each other, intentional? 21:58:46 the old ones did. kinda 21:59:39 well you can't really have fun like that and have some pretty depth tricks going on 21:59:45 at least not for the edges 21:59:55 (which is where it really counts) 22:00:00 so yeah, intentional 22:00:20 I remember thinking, when the change first hit, that it was jarring to see all those segmented sections 22:00:25 got used to it pretty quickly though 22:00:40 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/darkstonedemo_.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/darkstonedemo.png 22:00:45 looks pretty sweet though 22:01:19 it is an improvement 22:04:24 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:04:28 ??cheipoke 22:04:28 cheipoke[1/1]: http://s-z.org/cgi-bin/cheipoke 22:04:40 03bh02 07[hohoho] * 0.16-a0-3221-g4f53c82: Reform Elf Tiles 10(2 minutes ago, 10 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f53c827f94f 22:04:57 looks a lot bette 22:04:58 better* 22:07:14 reform elves? would they even care about christmas? >.> 22:07:23 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:40 (and chanukah will just have ended <.< ) 22:07:59 well, sure 22:08:05 they gotta make the presents 22:08:14 once I confirm I haven't broken song of slaying, should I merge this? 22:08:37 bh: get the Santaeus tile in first <_< 22:08:37 <|amethyst> bh: imo include Ironfoot's tiles too 22:08:40 |amethyst: hi. 22:08:42 <|amethyst> what Grunt said 22:08:50 are those the old elf tiles? they look different 22:08:51 bh: also rename Cocytus to North Pole imo 22:09:00 <|amethyst> that one's tougher 22:09:23 <|amethyst> because you don't want to mess up sequell queries 22:09:32 don't you 22:09:49 could we do it with a language? 22:10:11 <|amethyst> bh: languages aren't applied in most of the relevant places 22:10:29 <|amethyst> probably you can just change the branch data 22:10:34 well 22:10:42 <|amethyst> but some of those are looked up elsewhere 22:10:43 you'd need to update the description entry names at least, too :) 22:10:51 <|amethyst> serpent of hell north pole 22:10:55 <3 22:10:59 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-23-december-2014 wordpress post is up 22:11:01 needs a hat, in that case 22:11:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:28 PleasingFungus: no mention of the Op nerf and the hill giant depth change? 22:11:52 hm 22:12:01 minmay: imagine a thousand question marks, fountaining from my forehead like Athena from Zeus 22:12:23 PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14487 22:13:04 I'm clicking on the HIGH QUALITY ones 22:13:08 you better not be leading me astray!!! 22:13:40 03bh02 07[hohoho] * 0.16-a0-3285-ge6d70b2: Merge branch 'master' into hohoho 10(8 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6d70b2d7ca7 22:13:53 what is a mehe 22:14:07 probably related to an OcWa 22:14:11 merfolk healer using wrong abbreviations 22:14:14 ? 22:14:30 ah 22:14:33 yeah 22:14:39 someone edited it to mfhe 22:15:10 should I merge this and if folks want to add things over the next day, then great? 22:15:21 i wonder if stats having a more stable effect on damage is something desirable 22:15:30 you are only allowed to merge it if by 'merge', you mean 'rebase' 22:15:36 down with merge commits imho 22:15:48 sounds good aside from that 22:15:48 Two commits merge to form a titanic commit. 22:15:55 Nope, you don't get it, it's consistent. I played 0.11 for many characters, most of which were MfHe, and so far, every single trunk game (10 IIRC) has had more loot, more monsters, more uniques. It's consistently twice as hard to get to the same DL as 0.11. 22:16:22 10 whole games! 22:16:29 I'm not seeing where the op nerf is 22:16:39 Brannock: scroll down a bit 22:16:41 it's a joke 22:16:44 oic 22:16:50 Brannock: "Also - is it trunk, or just me, who forgot how weak Op is?" 22:16:51 this entire discussion is a joke 22:17:00 except mine is not 22:17:10 but i have a tendency to speak to myself, you see 22:17:21 ...I really hope I did that right 22:17:27 rip trunk 22:17:37 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-3282-g82fa208: Reform Song of Slaying 10(4 days ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82fa208686f6 22:17:37 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-3283-ge2cd79c: Further Song of Slaying Reform 10(29 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2cd79ceea71 22:17:37 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-3284-gb0422a1: Reform Elf Tiles 10(15 minutes ago, 10 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0422a190338 22:18:34 http://anydice.com/program/4ecb it's like i'm wearing nothing at all 22:19:50 -!- Guest86959 is now known as Basil 22:19:57 <|amethyst> bh: what about defi, dekn, desu? 22:20:30 |amethyst: fi and kn have black borders, my drawing'foo isn't up to task 22:20:45 summoner I just forgot to commit 22:21:12 dang 22:22:03 @ 33 str & 21 fight/maces that change is +7.5 whole aveffdam on a +0 gsc!!! 22:22:26 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:22:37 or +9 slaying 22:22:46 surely that will make those pesky ogres pick str!!!! 22:23:24 do we have a strong desire for og to pick str? 22:23:42 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:55 well they're using the weapon with the highest base damage 22:23:57 so iunno 22:24:04 if all choices are equally beneficial, then no choice is meaningful 22:24:19 -!- thromnambular has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:24 well either you killdudes even more or you get ev 22:25:30 Brannock: that's deep. 22:25:41 Brannock: by which I mean kind of dumb (no offense) 22:25:45 it is 22:26:02 it's missing a factor 22:26:14 the actual argument is "all choices should be *situationally* valid" (based on gear found, character build, etc) 22:26:21 <|amethyst> depends on whether "equally beneficial" means along a single dimension, or in benefit space 22:26:31 |amethyst: do you have a benefit spaceship 22:26:50 gj blowing his cover 22:26:51 <|amethyst> if all choices have the same benefits, then no choice is meaningful (because they have the same outcome) 22:27:04 (and thus you actually have no choice) 22:27:15 <|amethyst> but if they have different benefits, a choice may have meaning when projected along one axis but not along another 22:27:21 either there's a proper choice to make for each situation (thus there is only one choice to make) or all choices are equally good for you (thus it doesn't matter what you pick). the alternative is that a choice has meaningful tradeoffs that affect your gameplay in more than just "is this better for me" in such a way that it is exactly X arbitrary units better 22:27:29 amethyst is phrasing this much better than I am 22:27:50 <|amethyst> I disagree with your first dichotomy 22:27:53 well in this case it's the choice between OGRE SMASH and actually getting some defenses 22:27:54 ??lom 22:27:55 lom lobon[1/3]: Guards the magical pandemonium rune. Has some dangerous spells: glaciate, conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range. But is not particularly robust, normal speed and is rather easy to steal from. Also, his melee is anti-magic. 22:28:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:15 i.e. defense through offense or defense through defense 22:28:15 <|amethyst> because it might be that two choices are incomparably good in this current situation 22:28:32 <|amethyst> or "equally good" but they push you towards different futures 22:28:41 like 22:28:49 the damage might be better in melee 22:28:50 <|amethyst> but, say, the expected utils may be the same 22:28:52 but worse against ranged enemies 22:29:00 because your EV will suck 22:29:00 expected utility is the same but it changes your gameplay 22:29:10 |amethyst: there's your tile 22:29:18 *POKE* 22:29:24 03bh02 07* 0.16-a0-3285-g738a44c: Deep Elf Summoner Reform 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=738a44cbbb27 22:29:27 <|amethyst> hm 22:29:32 <|amethyst> should add cheipoke to the github crawl clone 22:29:49 <|amethyst> or can we do something like webhooks in gitorious? 22:30:03 can you just make chei poll aggressively? 22:30:39 take it easy 22:30:51 <|amethyst> currently all the stuff happens on every tick 22:30:59 <|amethyst> so it would also hit mantis etc that much more frequently 22:31:24 -!- RaptorWrex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:48 <|amethyst> hm 22:34:51 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:35:20 <|amethyst> I guess it would make the most sense to give each plugin its own frequency 22:35:54 -!- bullock has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:36:12 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:40:11 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:37 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:41:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:46:22 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3286-g5032008: Adjustments to Antaeus and Ice Fiend tiles (Ironfoot). 10(19 minutes ago, 4 files, 9+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=503200887815 22:46:22 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3287-gaf862a7: Let deep elf fighters and knights join the reform party. 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af862a732f60 22:46:22 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3288-g377cd6f: Redecorate Cocytus. 10(2 minutes ago, 21 files, 72+ 72-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=377cd6f991b4 22:46:24 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14421&p=199923&hilit=christmas#p199923 22:47:24 Grunt: can we make elves drop caps? 22:48:28 <|amethyst> Merry Christmas, octopodes! 22:49:08 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:49:37 -!- AlexMcc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:49:52 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:54:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:56:14 TheSomberlain (L23 HuSk) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster spectral swamp worm failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 22:57:11 how does a swamp worm come down the stairs in zotdef 22:57:43 <|amethyst> Grunt: err 22:57:58 <|amethyst> Grunt: I suspect you broke test/rune-gen.lua and test/stress/abyss.rc 22:58:06 oh 22:58:07 <|amethyst> Grunt: but I'm sure travis will tell you about the former 22:58:08 :( 22:58:16 I figured I'd missed something. 22:58:32 <|amethyst> also, a few monster descriptions (and Antaeus' title) still mention Cocytus 22:58:44 <|amethyst> I did git grep Coc 22:59:24 I'll probably want someone to write a new description for Antaeus before we can really fix the latter <_< 22:59:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3289-g10549ab: Redecorate some tests, too (|amethyst). 10(55 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10549abbe070 23:00:02 <|amethyst> "Antaeus, Father Christmas" for the title 23:00:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.16-a0-3290-g901cdb0: Fix an Android message, hang head in shame. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=901cdb057802 23:01:58 <|amethyst> I do wonder though 23:02:03 ? 23:02:23 <|amethyst> if sequell will have any problems with the rename 23:02:46 oh 23:02:52 I hope not :( 23:03:02 <|amethyst> since I think milestones/logfiles etc only have the short name (Nor) 23:03:08 <|amethyst> oh 23:03:24 <|amethyst> but branch entry etc messages have the long name 23:03:29 <|amethyst> !kw coc 23:03:29 Built-in: coc => place=~coc:* 23:04:29 <|amethyst> !kw coc place~~^(coc|nor): 23:04:30 'coc' is built-in: coc => place=coc 23:04:45 <|amethyst> oh, right, built-in means you can't do that 23:05:10 <|amethyst> .echo $(!lm * br.enter=coc) 23:05:11 8707. :id=13764726:game_key=tapatio::cszo::20141027235831S:offset=1004283643:file=remote.cszo-milestones-git:alpha=true:src=cszo:explbr=:v=0.16.0-a0:cv=0.16-a:vlong=0.16-a0-3264-g009bb2c:name=tapatio:race=Demigod:crace=Demigod:cls=Venom Mage:char=DgVM:xl=27:sk=Spellcasting:sklev=27:title=Archmage:place=Coc::1:br=Coc:lvl=1:absdepth=29:ltyp=:hp=256:mhp=256:mmhp=256:mp=50:mmp=50:bmmp=50:str=17:int=47... 23:05:12 hehehe 23:05:39 <|amethyst> oh, hm 23:05:46 03Grunt02 07* 0.16-a0-3291-g9854cb9: Redecorate ziggurats ever so slightly. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9854cb95dbc7 23:06:39 place:Nor 23:06:41 highly suspicious 23:07:02 North Korea 23:07:06 you've clearly missed the previous few commi- 23:07:08 !banish chequers 23:07:09 Grunt casts a spell. chequers is cast into the Abyss! 23:07:10 <|amethyst> Grunt: see, I was *thinking* we'd keep the shortname the same and change the others :) 23:07:21 |amethyst: that would be BORING :) 23:07:50 technically you can overwrite builtin 23:07:54 by re-replace beh 23:07:55 <|amethyst> %bug 9361 23:07:55 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9361 23:07:59 :p 23:08:00 <|amethyst> ^^ BORING 23:08:32 BORING beetle (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 31-58 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 09poison, 11silver | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 23:08:32 %??boring beetle name:BORING_beetle n_rpl n_des god:Xom 23:08:35 <|amethyst> (checked the ttyrec: Xom got bored and immediately tossed 26 damage onto a 22-HP char) 23:09:18 he did it after 106 turns 23:09:21 and 17 seconds 23:09:28 workingasexpectedyesssir 23:09:32 ok, recompiled trunk 23:09:37 lets get to Nor! 23:09:53 go north, young chequers 23:10:03 <|amethyst> Bloax: after achieving "BORING", or after "getting BORED"? 23:10:14 (otherwise things will pretty quickly go south) 23:10:26 106 turns to get BORED is kind of insanely low 23:10:48 considering that the average character probably rests for longer than that after a good fight 23:10:53 <|amethyst> I don't think it's a bug (I closed it as no change necessary), "BORING" just reminded me 23:10:53 maybe at the start of the game you should add a "you hear a mysterious 'ho ho ho' from far beneath..." message or something 23:11:41 <|amethyst> clearly need an Australian Santa in Geh 23:11:46 ! 23:11:52 krampus 23:11:52 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:11:56 !messages 23:11:56 (1/2) Bloax said (10h 39s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/capt_cutlass.png avast matey 23:12:06 !messages 23:12:07 (1/1) Bloax said (6h 13m 5s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14492 ??? 23:12:21 Who will retrieve the fabulous Orb of Krampus from the depths? 23:12:33 australian santa http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/Twirling_Tiger/Santa.jpg 23:13:29 Bloax: not my department; i'd be fine with it if fire dragons were red, but they're green 23:14:06 !send ontoclasm an ancient and mighty dragon 23:14:06 Sending an ancient and mighty dragon to ontoclasm. 23:14:08 or rather 23:14:13 !send ontoclasm AN ANCIENT AND MIGHTY DRAGON 23:14:13 Sending AN ANCIENT AND MIGHTY DRAGON to ontoclasm. 23:14:28 er 23:14:34 the'yre nmot green 23:14:35 it's s/MIGHTY/POWERFUL/, isn't it. 23:14:38 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 77-105 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1068 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 23:14:38 %??fire dragon 23:14:41 they're FIRE dragons 23:14:45 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 76-116 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire++, 12drown | XP: 1812 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 23:14:45 %??fire giant 23:14:47 D 23:14:47 like FIRE giants 23:14:53 notice the D is green 23:15:09 well fukg teh polise 23:15:22 jesus christ i am just slightly tired 23:15:32 (tiles and console colors don't -have- to match, but i like when they do) 23:15:42 is there even a red D 23:15:46 ... 23:15:52 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 22-43 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 338 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 23:15:52 %??fire drake 23:16:50 Bloax: XTAHUA 23:16:54 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 1709(claw), 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3799 | Sp: searing breath (3d38) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 23:16:54 %??XTAHUA 23:16:59 it's not RED enough 23:17:13 soh:geh might be lightred, i can't remember 23:17:22 it's ETC_FIRE, isn't it? 23:17:35 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 320 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:20-39) per head | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: {head 1: fire breath (3d40), head 2: fireball (3d31), head 3: hellfire (3d20)} [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], sum.dragon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 23:17:35 %??serpent of hell geh 23:17:37 ??glyphs 23:17:37 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 23:17:46 very tmp 23:17:47 still not RED enough 23:17:58 quick, move wvyerns to k 23:18:22 * Grunt roars! 23:18:33 04Dragons 23:19:34 wyvern (04D) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 20 | fly | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 207 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 23:19:34 <|amethyst> %??wyvern 23:19:43 <|amethyst> though maybe that should be on k or l or something 23:20:03 found my first deep elf mage!! 23:20:14 wow what a lame 04Dragon 23:20:54 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 58-86 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 976 | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 23:20:54 <|amethyst> %?? hydra name:hy3D0ra 23:21:54 hy3D0ra (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 77-105 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1068 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 23:21:54 <|amethyst> %?? fire dragon name:hy3D0ra 23:22:12 <|amethyst> (forgot that hydra is special-cased because of the head thing) 23:22:15 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:24 oops 23:24:20 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3288-g377cd6f (34) 23:26:16 <|amethyst> hm, might want to rebuild CXC for that Zig fix 23:27:49 cpo? 23:28:21 ohh, it's too late now, but... perhaps ice caves should have been portals to the north pole? 23:28:26 turn ice beasts into reindeers 23:28:36 um. 23:28:46 you clearly missed the last few commits. :) 23:29:14 i must have, i only saw coc -> nor 23:30:25 Bloax: actually re: the captain's cutlass 23:30:29 it'd be nice if it were like 23:30:33 cutlass-sized 23:30:39 instead of bigger than a greatsword 23:31:07 oh right crawl weapons are tiiiiiiny 23:32:22 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33:29 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 23:34:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:35:49 -!- werehuman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37:36 maybe you can make a better one 23:37:51 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/mm8fancyartifact.png 23:37:55 since i'm really just thinking of this 23:38:00 except i suckkkk 23:38:01 the +5 captain's great sword {speed} 23:38:11 better solution imo 23:38:27 incredibly light sword, too 23:38:31 perfectly usable in one hand 23:38:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:39:18 when you wear it you are a captain (obviously) and therefore like 100% more washbuckling than anyone else 23:39:28 so you can carry a gsword one-handed 23:39:55 obviously 23:40:32 you also get an oversized hat and a wooden peg leg 23:40:50 but those are just the fine print thingies 23:40:55 nobody cares about the fine print 23:41:43 (if you don't have feet you instead get a hook hand) 23:43:56 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm... what about changing the SHUFFLE/subvaults in vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted 23:44:12 <|amethyst> Grunt: so vestibule_coc is always on top 23:44:32 you really try to be worse than grunt don't you 23:44:53 <|amethyst> I try as hard as I can but it's never enough 23:50:03 GRUNT Romero is about to make you his bitch 23:50:10 yadda yadda good night 23:50:18 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:56:31 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]