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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 01:33:04 HilariousDeathArtist the Spry (level 14, -7/92 HPs) Began as a Kobold Chaos Knight on Dec 20, 2014. Was a Plaything of Xom. Mangled by an eight-headed hydra (8 damage) ... while paralysed by you 01:33:18 "by you", but it was chaos clouds from xom 01:33:39 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:38 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:40:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:42:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:50:55 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:56:15 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:57:47 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:59:24 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:06:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:12:09 -!- muravey has quit [Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com] 02:17:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:21:05 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3218-g9b393b2 (34) 02:25:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:32:21 -!- AlexMcc has quit [] 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ELD the Executioner (L24 HuBe of Trog), blasted by an octopode crusher (iron shot) on Zig:12 on 2014-12-20 12:18:07, with 423874 points after 21517 turns and 2:38:30. 10:01:52 zig kill achieved 10:01:55 .crushed -tv 10:01:55 90. ELD, XL24 HuBe, T:21517 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 10:03:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:57 -!- SomeStupidGirl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:20 .crushed -log 10:08:21 90. ELD, XL24 HuBe, T:21517: http://kr.dobrazupa.org/morgue/trunk/ELD/morgue-ELD-20141220-121807.txt 10:15:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:03 is there a christmas branch yet? 10:16:51 let's just give thanks for what we have, bh 10:16:55 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:07 ... 10:18:37 -!- broquain1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:37 If I make a branch, Grunt will probably do the rest. 10:20:11 -!- markgo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:20:34 -!- witty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:20:34 -!- witty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:20:55 -!- dis-_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:55 He's practically a hasted eggnog executioner 10:21:11 -!- witty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:11 -!- witty has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:50 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:54 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:41 gammafunk: eggnogecutioner 10:22:46 -!- Ragnor 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Type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??cbro for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 10:49:06 -!- Guest50111 has quit [Changing host] 10:49:06 -!- Guest50111 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:18 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:37 -!- Guest50111 is now known as bh 10:49:56 did freenode just fall over? 10:50:13 -!- axujen has quit [Changing host] 10:50:21 -!- Devell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:30 -!- endou______ has quit [Changing host] 10:56:21 certainly a lot of netsplits just now 10:58:23 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:59:11 -!- pantaril_ is now known as pantaril 11:01:37 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:39 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:05:28 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 11:08:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:52 bh: you there 11:16:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:19:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:19:29 -!- somebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:20:27 Wulndraste does not allow to leave Lair 8 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9346 by Sandman25 11:22:29 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3218-g9b393b2 (34) 11:23:35 -!- johnf_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:05 !tell bh could dominoes be used to allow forests to spread across tiles, as is this screenshot? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/capture_077_19122014_152306.png 11:25:06 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let bh know. 11:25:55 !tell bh basically we'd need an edge color which gets used any time we're touching a tile of another type 11:25:56 ontoclasm: OK, I'll let bh know. 11:27:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:28:08 -!- Eksell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:31 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:35:02 ontoclasm: back 11:35:03 bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:35:53 ontoclasm: yes, but that isn't the approach I'd recommend 11:36:09 mm? 11:36:33 it should be simple to just have each forest check its neighbors and ask "Is my neighbor a forest?" 11:36:53 yes, but -within- the forest i'd want the domino thing going on 11:37:06 if you see what i mean 11:37:26 oh, so that the canopy spans tiles? 11:37:30 yes 11:37:44 -!- SimonZed has quit [] 11:37:45 yeah, that would totally work. Not sure how involved the implementation would be 11:37:45 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:06 visually it would be a huge improvement 11:39:10 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:48 -!- joy1999 has quit [Quit: Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET �� Zero IRC �� Ver 2.9G] 11:40:15 ontoclasm: at a minimum you'd need two colors, one to encode 'floor', the other to encode 'wall' 11:40:22 yeah 11:40:48 you could go further with floor, wall, tree, but I don't think you'd get much gain 11:42:47 ontoclasm: if you want to draw the tiles, I'll make it happen 11:43:21 i'll try, but plants suck :C 11:46:00 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:16 ontoclasm: I'm on vacation for the next two weeks, so this is a good time for me to get it done :) 11:46:46 [18:25:25] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/capture_077_19122014_152306.png 11:47:05 pretty nasty line issues on those trees 11:47:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:47:26 little wormy, bright lines 11:48:59 i dislike the way new fire emblems look 11:49:03 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:49:39 it drives me nuts that they had the best pixel art animation of any game ever and then decided hey, let's switch to crappy prerendered 3d 11:50:44 i mean look at this 11:50:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdQLU4GenSg 11:51:08 but it's 3-D !! 11:51:15 3-D > 2-D !!!! 11:51:17 OBVIOUSLY BETTER 11:51:26 :C 11:51:31 you mean 4-d 11:51:32 ((((^: 11:51:53 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52:23 why not 11-d 11:52:41 nicolae-: not a platonic solid :( 11:52:49 the thief attack where they just jam their knife into your face and then struggle to yank it back out 11:53:11 also generals with their 120-caliber rocket spears 11:53:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:53:47 very detailed animations 11:54:23 3D animations can also be extremely good 11:54:26 but that's uh 11:54:37 only possible a very long time after they switched to 3D 11:54:48 i've never seen 3d animations even today that look that snappy 11:54:49 so yeah 11:54:51 :^) 11:55:00 i guess maybe in like, MGR 11:55:49 I don't know about how things were in the actual HoMM6 (since it was apparently a terrible game), but the teasers had very good unit animations. 11:56:14 (what's even worse is that it's MMH6) 11:58:04 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:58:07 ((what's even worse than that is that they're rereleasing HoMM3 as MMH3)) 11:58:59 (((you know it's bad when you're making parentheses pyramids))) 11:59:40 ontoclasm: if you want to be really ambitious we can make a three-color tile set for different tree-tree boundaries 12:00:27 hmm 12:00:40 that'd work 12:01:01 but yeah, i have to draw trees and that's always painful 12:01:08 Rename tomahawk to dart 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9347 by chris 12:01:19 something that would at some point be nice would be isometric wall tiles 12:02:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:02:50 because some things (like the dungeon walls) look rather strange being flat square textures 12:03:20 well 12:03:33 a) i kinda prefer it this way, and 12:03:46 b) we'd have to redraw every single wall tile, plus 12:03:58 it works for things like stone walls/glass/ice 12:04:05 but the brick things look rather o_O 12:04:14 c) we'd need a fuckton of versions of all of the above 12:04:17 It's not like it's not satisfactory at the moment though. 12:04:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:04:28 <|amethyst> crawl --diablo 12:04:34 :^) 12:04:50 make TILES=y DIABLO=y 12:04:55 (since we'd need e.g. this particular tile when there's a similar wall above it and another to the right but a different wall below and floor to the left) 12:05:35 i prefer to instead remove the weird 3dness when i get the chance; vis green crystal 12:05:45 if you remember what green crystal used to look like 12:07:18 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:02 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:09:21 <|amethyst> Found a glyph for console isometric walls: ⨳ 12:09:29 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:31 <|amethyst> even has a great name: U+2A33 SMASH PRODUCT 12:09:56 yes 12:11:10 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:11:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:13:12 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:53 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:14:41 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:06 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 12:16:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:11 |amethyst: SMASH PRODUCT? Is that some high speed combination of the dot and cross products? 12:22:53 reposting this in case people missed it late last night. 12:22:55 cbro[4 12:22:59 ??cbro[4 12:22:59 cbro[4/4]: 0.16 experimental summary pages at: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/experimentals/0.16/overview.html 12:28:37 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:51 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:32:40 nice nem choice 12:33:47 I need to disable Nem but I haven't found the spot to do it. 12:34:21 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:38:06 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:57 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:41 -!- theTower has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:55 -!- Limulus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:49:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:55:42 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:08 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:49 is this just a thing with chrisoelmueller 13:03:58 posting random patches on mantis with no justification 13:04:31 <|amethyst> doy: when he conversed with the devteam in the past, he had a bad habit of pissing everybody off 13:06:12 <|amethyst> he often does give justification in the commit messages, but apparently not this time 13:07:07 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 13:07:16 He sometimes has good ideas, but he's very abbrasive. 13:08:51 doy: he self-banned himself from irc, iirc 13:09:13 I think bh edited that bug report? 13:09:17 He mentioned a wall of text 13:09:26 or maybe there was still no justification 13:09:27 <|amethyst> he was other-banned from here before that 13:09:28 gammafunk: he pasted the entire patch into the text 13:09:33 oh ok 13:09:49 we don't need the whole diff sitting there :) 13:10:12 his last patch was the athiest berserker thing, which also didn't come with any justification 13:10:19 I try to never have good ideas, but always be of sweet dispostiion 13:10:21 which is why i was wondering 13:10:25 *disposition 13:10:45 but yeah, i don't know anything about the history here 13:11:03 yeah that was something he knew would never fly, he kind of just wanted to have his say that it would be better, I think 13:11:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:25 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:07 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:28:28 -!- rockygargoyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:04 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:34 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:31:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:11 !tell ontoclasm http://imgur.com/7cMGUvf books, so far. i can't really decide what to do about overlays 13:36:12 roctavian: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 13:39:17 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:06 looking good so far; i'd decrease the saturation and increase the contrast on the covers though 13:42:07 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:42:24 go right down to black 13:43:00 the sort of maroon one bottom right looks best 13:43:13 so i'd try and make the others match that look 13:44:12 also a shadow from the cover onto the pages would help 13:44:19 yeah, that one does look best. i also want to match descriptions as well as possible, like you've been doing with other stuff 13:44:30 that's good 13:44:39 (ofc the descriptions can change too) 13:45:04 we've got what, leather bound, metal, papyrus 13:45:13 that's all i can think of, off the top of my head 13:45:26 yeah, i rarely notice book descriptions 13:46:16 -!- LIX is now known as FiftyNine 13:46:16 too busy pickin 'em up or lighting 'em on fire 13:46:23 speaking of 13:46:28 i don't know if i want to make actual overlays that go over the covers, or just icons for the bottom right 13:46:47 hm 13:47:02 the first is obviously cooler, but might not be as good a tool for communicating what's going on 13:47:32 the bonus in the first case, is that we could make overlays that "break the frame" for highlevel books 13:47:33 yeah, i'd have to doodle around on em to see which i preferred; they both sound fine 13:48:07 like a mushroom cloud rising off the book of annihilations or what have you 13:48:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:48:50 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:50:55 -!- t4nk227 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:15 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:28 Does anyone mind if I resolve the dart<->tomahawk patch? 14:01:48 (resolve as "won't do") 14:02:21 +1 14:02:49 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:03:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 14:03:48 +2 14:04:34 dang it, another person is having the "can't leave bottom of branch" bug. I can't reproduce it, even on the server. 14:05:19 <|amethyst> does dbro have save backup? 14:05:35 <|amethyst> or have johnstein grab a copy of their save for you 14:07:47 -!- CcS has quit [] 14:09:38 I seem to only be able to get my own save 14:10:06 <|amethyst> yeah, you could only get to their save if they did a backup through the dgl menu 14:10:18 ah 14:10:20 <|amethyst> but johnstein can :) 14:10:27 CBRO experimentals have console save backup 14:10:39 <|amethyst> have you tried saving while you're at the bottom of a branch? 14:10:47 supposed to anyway 14:11:12 or yes 14:11:26 I can use superpowers to do it 14:11:47 do darts exist currently at all? 14:11:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: old saves 14:11:55 they don't right 14:12:52 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:25 no, they don't 14:14:08 Suggested revision to crawl style http://i.imgur.com/pTYT70h.png 14:14:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:40 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 14:14:43 <|amethyst> ebering: they already do that in the language LISEH 14:14:58 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:20 ebering: our canadian devs are like second-class devs anyhow 14:16:14 "This trove requires the presence of the horn of Geryon to function." haha, what 14:16:37 yeah, "kill geryon" is the requirement 14:16:42 which is certainly reasonable for a trove 14:17:20 <|amethyst> "presence" means you don't sac the item 14:17:28 <|amethyst> they can demand the presence of runes too 14:18:30 %git :/resence 14:18:30 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-700-g4ff2473: XTAHUA DOES NOT LIKE TO 'OPEN DOORS!' XTAHUA PREFERS TO SMASH THEM! (Patashu) 10(3 months ago, 6 files, 42+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ff2473382ba 14:19:07 it could take the horn though really 14:19:17 now, that is 14:19:47 ontoclasm: http://imgur.com/vGYFrDv 14:20:09 maybe that would be better even, then the only items it asks for the presence of are runes 14:20:26 and since those aren't actual items in your inventory it's clearer that you won't lose them maybe 14:20:53 yeah, the horn is useful as an evocable, but it's hard to imagine anyone not taking a trove over it 14:20:59 roctavian: wicked 14:21:03 those look a lot better 14:21:10 i agree 14:21:30 one thing you could do to add variation is to color the pages a bit 14:21:37 like papyrus or parchment on some of them 14:21:50 i hope i haven't been oversaturating too much in trunk recently, btw. i still think i need to dial the kobold back 14:22:07 Dial K For Kobold 14:22:26 the main thing that made me go after vaults tiles was that the iron preserver was the exact same shade of green as green crystal walls, and that had to go 14:22:32 i haven't seen anything that really stood out; i try to stay around 80% saturation 14:22:32 MarvinPA: btw, I think the feeling on chain lightning was that even with the rescaling, it was still too nasty to add back to liches/aliches 14:22:43 but probably still no need to leave that ticket open 14:22:51 it's not really a bug either way, yeah 14:23:35 was it not added back to liches then? just rescaled for pan lords and whatever else gets it? 14:23:47 i think i would err on the side of lowering saturation rather than raising it, but increasing it in come places is just fine 14:23:54 pan lords and player ghosts, maybe? 14:24:02 yeah 14:24:57 !lg * randliches ikiller~~lich s=ckaux 14:24:58 73 games for * (randliches ikiller~~lich): 18x crystal spear, 11x, 7x iron shot, 5x chain lightning, 5x wavering orb of destruction, 5x orb of destruction, 3x bolt of lightning, 3x orb of energy, 3x fireball, 2x blast of metal fragments, 2x bolt of cold, 2x blast of rock fragments, blast of cold, by drain life, accursed screaming, bolt of fire, blast of hellfire, bolt of acid, bolt of negative ene... 14:25:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:22 !lg * randliches ikiller~~lich place=zot:5 s=ckaux 14:25:23 7 games for * (randliches ikiller~~lich place=zot:5): 2x orb of energy, 2x orb of destruction, blast of rock fragments, , by drain life 14:25:40 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:25:46 !lg * randliches ikiller~~lich place=zot:5 ckaux= 14:25:47 i do generally want to reserve stronger saturation for stronger enemies, because i think it's one of those little things that influences how players look at the game 14:25:47 1. tasonir the Hoplite (L27 HuMo of Cheibriados), mangled by a storm dragon (summoned by an ancient lich) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2014-12-18 06:42:16, with 694134 points after 67287 turns and 6:07:07. 14:26:03 rip tasonir 14:26:19 sort of the tile equivalent of scenting a department store to encourage people to buy things 14:26:45 yeah 14:26:58 one thing that would be nice is to -lower- the saturation of backgrounds 14:27:10 pebble walls in particular are crazy oversaturated 14:27:17 yeah, agreed 14:28:08 did anyone ever switch the shoal hut wall tiles with the spider end wall tiles 14:28:09 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:10 I forget 14:28:45 pf, i've had "make new tiles for both" on backburner a little while 14:29:05 imo swap them for now & improve them later 14:29:06 <_< 14:29:10 or I guess I can do that probably. 14:29:11 let me find them 14:29:31 ugh, yes, please change those 14:29:43 i am still learning how to do that kind of thing 14:29:45 !lg ontoclasm s=tiles 14:29:45 1161 games for ontoclasm: 750x true, 411x false 14:29:57 !lg ontoclasm tiles=true 14:29:58 750. pseudoclasm the Insei (L1 OpTm), quit the game on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_water_fire) on 2014-12-16 17:02:59, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:10. 14:30:04 !lg ontoclasm tiles=true !boring 14:30:05 604. pseudoclasm the Martial Artist (L8 OpTm of Cheibriados), slain by a steam dragon on D:5 on 2014-12-13 22:26:15, with 1169 points after 6419 turns and 0:15:44. 14:30:13 rip :( 14:30:21 !lg ontoclasm tiles=false !boring 14:30:22 342. ontoclasm the Impaler (L15 FoAM of Okawaru), blasted by a blizzard demon (the air) on Abyss:1 on 2014-09-05 18:48:14, with 67619 points after 30012 turns and 2:21:15. 14:30:44 you two-timer! 14:31:05 the foam on the tide 14:31:44 !lg ontoclasm s=name,tiles 14:31:45 1161 games for ontoclasm: 487x ontoclasm (283x true, 204x false), 259x Eat (153x true, 106x false), 179x pyroclasm (145x true, 34x false), 129x pseudoclasm (85x true, 44x false), 73x SAMUELLJACKSON (61x true, 12x false), 34x phytoclasm (23x true, 11x false) 14:32:18 !lg devteamnp s=tiles 14:32:19 57015 games for devteamnp: 54926x false, 2089x true 14:32:28 i don't know where to set the default tiles for floors for branches, btw. i know where to look for specific vaults 14:32:40 branches are in tileview.cc 14:32:55 -!- Kashira has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32:56 aha 14:32:57 probably shouldn't be but they are 14:32:58 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:00 !lg devteamnp recent s=tiles 14:33:01 3770 games for devteamnp (recent): 3373x false, 397x true 14:33:07 i want to experiment with floors in tomb 14:33:15 mm 14:33:25 the bony skull floor in the outer ring of W:1 and inner part of W:2 14:33:38 but ossuary floors for "indoor" parts 14:33:45 mm 14:34:03 on further consideration, I'm not sure that switching in the spider's nest walls for the current shoals walls would help anything 14:34:07 also i need to try making a bennu again 14:34:28 PleasingFungus: just set the one that's stone to normal stone imo 14:34:37 that's not the one that's problematic really 14:34:48 the problem one is the shoals one, which is rock but looks like stone 14:34:51 or set the other to something else 14:34:56 spider's nest is stone but looks like slightly ugly stone 14:35:06 hrm 14:35:21 just use a cyan version of pebble or something, is the cheapest shoals answer 14:35:35 or uhm 14:35:44 the one with faces, that looks vaguely shoalsy 14:35:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:35:45 or sandstone_wall 14:35:54 or that 14:35:56 the one with faces? 14:36:26 marble 14:36:51 need to make more stone walls 14:37:08 marble still looks like stone 14:37:11 I think 14:37:15 i've been constructing some in my imagination 14:37:17 mm 14:37:23 idk. maybe not 14:37:28 where's marble used at present? 14:37:40 no clue 14:37:46 fair 14:38:05 seems to be in one vault 14:38:20 hangedman_hanging_gardens 14:38:21 btw, i saw those recent lair walls and i dig 'em actually 14:38:22 -!- MgDawn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:27 i had these: http://imgur.com/fghMp3y 14:38:37 aaalso maybe for "d cave layouts"? 14:38:44 slightly more conservative 14:38:50 dang those are spelunky 14:39:12 fr: original spelunky's music in crawl 14:40:43 <3 14:41:48 hahaha 14:41:56 the tutorials use wall_vines (the shoal hut tile) for stone 14:42:07 -!- Guest74137 is now known as Basil 14:42:07 as do... one or two other vaults 14:42:10 it shows up mostly in ecumenical temple vaults 14:42:25 it's the default tile for temple, yeah 14:42:28 it's pretty common for those, and i've been meaning to update the tiles to look better 14:42:44 i redid the floor a bit but i was gonna do the wall to match 14:43:32 intending to replace a tile or two while working on several hundred other tiles first is kind of my MO though 14:43:48 roctavian: i like those lair tiles, but i'm hoping to get around to remaking pebble walls 14:44:05 hm. marble looks a little odd 14:44:09 at least by like... drawing over them to remove the horrible scritchiness 14:44:18 ontoclasm: i guessed as much, i've never been a big fan of pebble either but it's a scary undertaking, replacing them 14:44:23 yeah 14:44:58 idk if you saw https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/lairtest2.png 14:45:18 the consensus was that they're too griddy 14:45:20 i did, yeah 14:45:36 i like them actually 14:45:38 pebble_cyan is ugly but probably adequate 14:45:41 and i don't think griddiness is too much of an issue 14:45:55 I thought the consensus was that they popped too much? maybe that was an earlier draft 14:46:03 these seem to pop less than I remembered 14:46:20 yeah, the previous version was https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/lairtest.png 14:46:34 i do think it's nice to have yellowish lair walls 14:46:44 yeah 14:46:45 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:48 not quite as bright as present, but they're a good look 14:46:50 the color's easy to change though 14:47:10 well, imo those new tiles look great 14:47:27 maybe the greener ones could have more visible plants drawn on or something 14:48:12 yeah, w_n's submissions have vines on them, but they look kinda icky so i sort of blurred them away 14:48:15 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:48:32 haha 14:48:40 >.> 14:49:14 speaking of other ancient w_n submissions 14:49:21 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5970 14:49:30 i kind of like dimmer inventory tiles, but maybe not these ones 14:49:32 but also maybe 14:49:40 mm 14:49:48 could inventory tile background be an rcfile option? 14:50:00 could probably make it one 14:50:05 at least on local 14:50:20 idk how webtiles draws such things 14:51:14 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3219-g20c30b8: Make rock look like rock 10(65 seconds ago, 2 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20c30b84c500 14:51:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 14:51:20 yeah, you could do that on either I think 14:51:36 er, well, if we mean a background that's a tile within crawl 14:51:44 not like a custom background file 14:51:57 right 14:52:02 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:52:17 i was thinking like, the current inventory background tile, and a dimmer one, and the option to set either 14:52:38 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:46 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:53:57 sounds good 14:54:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]] 14:54:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:15 ontoclasm: webtiles doesn't have an inventory grid. 14:55:34 PF: it does, however, use the inventory grid tile behind items in the inventory window 14:55:44 ! 14:55:52 that's crazy 14:55:56 maybe i'm wrong 14:56:07 maybe it's just a black background with a border 14:56:16 no there's a border 14:56:40 and it's either the same as, or very very similar to, the inventory grid thing 14:56:42 whew, i'm right 14:56:53 dang 14:56:55 I'm out 14:56:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:28 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:02:57 when can something be done to make ozocubu's armor work more like repel/deflect missiles 15:03:17 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:16 as soon as we can make rmsl/dmsl less awful 15:10:43 -!- Dynast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17:06 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:20 -!- demiskeleton__ has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:09 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:22 -!- therealfakemoot has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:34:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:35:09 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:37:02 Ru sacrifice description inconsistency 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9348 by Sandman25 15:38:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:31 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:43:29 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:51 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:44:54 -!- Calisca2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:49:33 -!- speranza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:26 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:01:04 -!- THICK_BOY_REAGAN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:02:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:14 The build passed. (hohoho - 4df37c0 #1189 : Brendan Hickey): http://travis-ci.org/crawl-ref/crawl-ref/builds/44693790 16:02:14 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:03:58 -!- Zermako2 is now known as Zermako_ 16:04:37 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09:46 PleasingFungus: are you the guy behind the stealth meter 16:10:54 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:12:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:02 Bloaxzorro: The stealth bar stops because the game also stops describing stealth changes past uncannily. 16:16:07 If you were going to ask about that. 16:16:38 Well there's not enough words to keep on describing the changes. 16:16:42 Right. 16:16:43 But there are yellow plusses. 16:16:52 Oh 16:16:53 or green 16:16:54 :o 16:16:56 I didn't know that. 16:17:01 well there aren't now 16:17:06 but that's what i wanted to suggest!!! 16:17:17 very uncannily stealthy 16:17:23 EXTREMELY UNCANNILY STEALTHY 16:17:26 uncannily uncannily stealthy 16:17:43 extremely uncannily uncannily stealthy 16:17:51 if you get too stealthy the game can't find you in memory anymore :( 16:18:10 you hide from the powers of the cosmos! 16:18:14 You win! 16:18:26 -!- WereVolvo1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:00 -!- I is now known as Guest64124 16:19:01 -!- Guest64124 has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:55 cannily stealthy? 16:21:21 -!- MgDawn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:23 Bloaxzorro: I am not the guy behind the stealth meter. 16:23:42 I'm curious about what you wanted to suggest, though. 16:24:20 Basically the plusses keep on going past 10+ or whatever number of them there is. 16:24:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:31 Except they wrap around to the first plus and start colorizing them. 16:24:40 Oh, I misread. 16:27:13 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/stealthy_as_fug.png 16:28:58 You'd probably want to normalize it such that the last stealth bar isn't worth twice as much as all the others. 16:30:23 Hm? 16:30:31 ??stealth words 16:30:31 stealth[3/7]: @ values are: extremely un 0, very un < 50, un < 100, fairly < 150, (no modifier) stealthy < 200, quite < 250, very < 300, extremely < 350, extraordinarily < 400, incredibly < 500, uncannily otherwise. (Pre-0.15 was more irregular.) 16:30:57 &rc RFJesus1egend4r12 16:30:59 oh 16:30:59 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/RFJesus1egend4r12.rc 16:31:00 At present, each + is 50 points of stealth, except for the last one, which is 100. 16:31:07 yeah that's silly 16:31:09 er 16:31:13 gammafunk: good rc 16:31:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:15 &rc nabalzbhf 16:31:17 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/nabalzbhf.rc 16:31:28 oh god, recursive includes 16:31:32 PleasingFungus: I know RFJesus1egend4r12 is just an alt of yours, do don't try foolin' me 16:31:49 ah hda item colours 16:31:53 wonder how similar it is to mine 16:32:01 too lasty to look at hda code though 16:32:06 er, heh 16:32:10 *too lazy 16:32:17