00:00:32 <johnstein> I think I forgot to turn inotify back on :/
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00:05:42 <Sequell> 88. Sientara, XL24 GrFi, T:67142 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
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00:45:48 <johnstein> someone is wulndrasting! http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-SharpStick
00:45:57 <Grunt> !
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00:51:59 <johnstein> ontoclasm: what is your crisis of faith issue?
00:52:03 <johnstein> looks like it's working to me
00:52:11 <johnstein> it's setting net_faith to 1
00:54:40 <ontoclasm> yeah, but it doesn't actually do anything
00:54:55 <ontoclasm> afaict
00:55:04 <ontoclasm> you don't get the bonus piety gain
00:55:30 <johnstein> ok
00:57:22 <ontoclasm> i could just edit the place where you.faith gets called but i don't want to be That Guy
00:58:21 <ontoclasm> hm, how does wuln handle portal vaults
00:58:27 <ontoclasm> can you just leave whenever?
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01:01:13 <johnstein> ontoclasm: I'm writing out net_faith and piety (from the you.faith line in religion.cc) and as Mak + hill orc I get 48 piety per kill. with amulet of faith I get 64.  as lacertilian, I get 64 both times
01:01:18 <johnstein> with and without amulet of faith
01:01:43 <johnstein> in piety_scale
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01:02:31 <ontoclasm> oh
01:02:40 <ontoclasm> so... it works as is?
01:02:53 <ontoclasm> that would explain why i couldn't figure out how to fix it
01:02:55 <ontoclasm> >.>
01:03:12 <ontoclasm> thanks!
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01:05:42 <johnstein> ontoclasm: http://pastebin.com/xxARMVVm
01:05:47 <johnstein> if you want to see what I did
01:06:10 <johnstein> I just pretend I know how to code, so I would recommend not simply taking my word that it's working :P
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01:09:30 <PleasingFungus> Lightli: when I talked about it with lasty earlier, we agreed that you'd only have to get to d:15 if you miss (lair/orc), not depths
01:09:41 <PleasingFungus> I assume that was how he implemented it?
01:10:23 <Lightli> I assume that I shouldn't lose piety for leaving a labyrinth though
01:11:00 <Lightli> (because the exit is a trapdoor UP, he thinks I'm backtracking)
01:11:43 <PleasingFungus> no yeah that's a bug
01:11:44 <PleasingFungus> funny bug, tho
01:11:56 <johnstein> ??goodbug[lab
01:11:56 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled goodbug[lab in my learndb.
01:12:20 <Lightli> I also assume that if I do Orc I won't be forced into doing Elf right afterwards
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01:13:41 <PleasingFungus> yes
01:13:47 <Lightli> ??sandblast
01:13:47 <Sequell> sandblast[1/1]: Wield stones (sling bullets don't count) to do more damage and increase range from 2 to 3 with this spell. Sandblast with stones maxes out at 2d20 damage, which is really good for a level 1 spell, although damage reduction from enemy AC is applied three times instead of once. Og and Tr can use large rocks, with damage maxing out at 3d20.
01:14:31 <johnstein> so you can backtrack all you like once you've cleared the branch?
01:14:54 <Lightli> I assume so
01:15:13 <Lightli> (in my current game I waited until I had bought the crown of dypwhatever before worshipping him)
01:15:29 <PleasingFungus> heh
01:15:36 <PleasingFungus> crown of dyslexia is my standard name for it
01:15:48 <PleasingFungus> I am VERY clever.
01:15:50 <Lightli> also I just realized
01:16:03 <Lightli> I am going to have a LOT of HP this game
01:16:07 <Lightli> TrMo of Wuld
01:16:33 <theTower> god of weeping at torment
01:17:11 <Lightli> oh god I just realized how terrible wuld is going to be for extended
01:17:29 <Lightli> can't stairdance tomb, have to dive straight to the bottom of the hells in 1 shot...
01:17:49 <Lightli> and god help you if you forgot a source of digging before entering Slime
01:18:52 <PleasingFungus> you can stairdance tomb:2, and there's no special problems with slime:6; you can even stairdance it, since the rune isn't pathable until you break your way in.
01:19:05 <Lightli> oh :v
01:19:29 <johnstein> why is stairdancing ok in tomb?
01:19:47 <Lightli> still good luck with tomb:3 and the hells
01:19:54 <PleasingFungus> tomb:2 has no path to down-stairs.
01:20:09 <johnstein> ah ok. I think I'm starting to get it
01:20:11 <theTower> I don't really use <s that often in hells
01:20:12 <Lightli> johnstein: I think because there are no available downstairs available from the point where you enter the ambush
01:20:16 <Lightli> so you can stairdance that
01:20:17 <theTower> I need to use weaker characters
01:20:18 <PleasingFungus> theTower: same
01:20:22 <PleasingFungus> er
01:20:24 <PleasingFungus> re the former
01:21:04 <Lightli> !apt op
01:21:04 <Sequell> Op: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 0, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: N/A, Dodge: 0, Stealth: 4, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 2, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: 0, HP: -1, MP: 0
01:22:16 <johnstein> !apt sa
01:22:17 <Sequell> Could not understand "sa"
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01:26:27 <ontoclasm> johnstein: okay, i guess i was just being dumb when i tested it before :/
01:26:29 <ontoclasm> thanks
01:26:38 <johnstein> did you confirm it?
01:26:52 <ontoclasm> yeah, i caught it giving me 2-piety jumps
01:26:55 <johnstein> woo!
01:26:57 <ontoclasm> on La with no amulet
01:27:02 <ontoclasm> so, yay
01:27:21 <johnstein> time to merge!
01:27:53 <ontoclasm> haha
01:28:21 <ontoclasm> gammafunk's reaction was basically "you can't be serious" so i'm not exactly hopeful xD
01:29:03 <Lightli> La?
01:29:20 <ontoclasm> ??lacertilian
01:29:20 <Sequell> lacertilian[1/1]: Experimental race with perma-faith and no wrath for changing gods. Playable on CBRO!
01:29:31 <ontoclasm> the dumb race i coded up to see if i could
01:29:42 <Lightli> oh hey the perfect race to go Oka -> TSO
01:30:12 <ontoclasm> mm
01:30:37 <johnstein> ontoclasm: kinda like my dumb farmer class I coded up to see if I could
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01:31:34 <johnstein> fed zealot (which is an immediate NOPE!). I lowered the starting piety so you wouldn't get mushroom men till D2-D3 or so, which seemed OK since you could get an early fed altar.  also started with a Book of Homesteading.
01:31:56 <johnstein> Summon rats, dogs, and sheep|yak|death yak. Also comes with Pesticides (mephitic and poison cloud) and a shovel (Dig)
01:32:03 <johnstein> it was fun
01:32:08 <johnstein> well
01:32:09 <johnstein> fun to code
01:32:15 <ontoclasm> hah
01:32:16 <johnstein> had obvious problem
01:32:19 <johnstein> problems
01:32:34 <johnstein> creating Summon Flock was fun too
01:32:46 <johnstein> at highest spell power you could get a couple death yaks
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01:37:22 <ontoclasm> !git gb9b0e1b
01:37:22 <Sequell> %git gb9b0e1b
01:37:23 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit gb9b0e1b (git returned 128)
01:38:25 <doy> %git b9b0e1b
01:38:26 <Cheibriados> 07ontoclasm02 * 0.16-a0-3153-gb9b0e1b: Lacertilians 10(5 days ago, 17 files, 167+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9b0e1bd05e5
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01:40:10 <ontoclasm> thanks
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01:43:47 <ontoclasm> i think something is wrong with weapon offsets in webtiles
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02:03:28 <johnstein> oh I just met my first caustic shrike
02:04:55 <ontoclasm> rip
02:05:11 <johnstein> tabbed right through it before it registered what it was
02:05:16 <johnstein> (MiBe)
02:05:28 <ontoclasm> hah
02:05:53 <ontoclasm> reminds me of the time i accidentally killed st. roka
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02:50:33 <Keskitalo> https://github.com/evktalo/lacewing
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04:47:04 <Kramin> anyone got a moment to talk about Wulndraste?
04:47:19 <Kramin> heh
04:47:24 <Kramin> !lg
04:47:25 <Sequell> 588. Kramin the Wrestler (L17 GhWr of Makhleb), slain by Minkie's ghost on Snake:4 on 2014-12-15 09:38:18, with 153889 points after 29968 turns and 1:46:41.
04:47:31 <Kramin> I had a quick run
04:47:38 <Kramin> hmm
04:48:07 <rast> normally when people ask me if i have a minute to talk about their god
04:48:11 <rast> I say no.
04:48:14 <rast> but go for it
04:48:35 <Kramin> I couldn't train invo
04:48:44 <Kramin> on my VSMo
04:49:06 <Kramin> not sure how to query sequell for experimental branch games
04:49:45 <Kramin> also it gives the same warning about travelling upstairs whether you have fully explored the level or not
04:49:57 <rast> oh, im not a dev, but sounds like they messed up the invocations thing
04:50:19 <Kramin> yeah
04:50:20 <rast> you can only train it if you're following a god who benefits from it
04:50:41 <Kramin> well the **** ability was at like 90%
04:50:47 <Kramin> and I had no way to lower that
04:50:53 <Kramin> :P
04:51:32 <Kramin> it mentions specifically that the cooldown scales with invo too
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04:52:36 <Kramin> also I think about the not going upstairs until fully explored thing, maybe make it so you can't go upstairs until you have reached the end of the branch
04:53:06 <Kramin> so you don't *have* to explore every individual level
04:53:20 <Kramin> because I know that could get annoying
04:55:42 <Kramin> I like the no-backtracking idea
05:00:01 <twzt> speedrungod
05:00:25 <Kramin> not in it's current form though
05:00:56 <Kramin> being forced to fully explore every level would kill speedrunning
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06:18:03 <Lasty> !learn add lasty_to_do Lightli said (6h 30m 47s ago): So Wulndraste thinks that leaving a labyrinth (via the trapdoor) would be ascending and thus against his conduct.
06:18:04 <Sequell> lasty to do[6/6]: Lightli said (6h 30m 47s ago): So Wulndraste thinks that leaving a labyrinth (via the trapdoor) would be ascending and thus against his conduct.
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06:56:48 <Lantell> Uberwunderbarhen (L17 SpEn) ASSERT(mons->damage_friendly <= 2 * mons->damage_total) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 360 failed. (Spider:2)
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08:34:17 <johnstein> Kramin: experimentals don't always get seqeulled.  but I will symlink the appropriate files and let green snark know they exist and he can link them
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08:49:46 <|amethyst> http://i.imgur.com/BVX8bc9.png
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08:59:22 <Lasty_> Git vulnerability: https://github.com/blog/1938-vulnerability-announced-update-your-git-clients
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09:50:21 <Cheibriados> Let the Fencer's gloves help you fence. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9343 by argonaut
09:51:53 <johnstein> neat
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09:53:59 <Lasty_> Not necessarily endorsing this, but it should definitely apply to short blades too. You should be able to fence w/ a rapier if nothing else.
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09:55:13 <Lasty_> johnstein: thanks for putting up wulndraste branch last night. I put up a post in Tavern noting it. Seems like people are already finding fun bugs :D
09:55:17 <Lasty_> ??wulndraste
09:55:18 <Sequell> wulndraste[1/4]: Wulndraste the Wayfarer: god of exploration and not climbing stairs. New in experimental branches (CBRO). Wulndraste increases your HP/MP and regeneration, and removes the 50 mp cap. Wulndraste offers two powers, {blend_in} and {change_of_scenery}.
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09:55:34 <Lasty_> oh, good, that's already updated
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09:56:26 <johnstein> Lasty_: np. I like experimentals
09:56:42 <PleasingFungus> http://pastebin.com/vnnPc2TM current LLD compilation status
09:58:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  would be nice to see the .cflags file from the build directory
09:58:43 <|amethyst> or the beginning of the build (currently cut off as "compile messages...")
09:58:46 <johnstein> fwiw CBRO is still ubuntu 12.04
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09:59:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  it's not calling g++ exactly, but instead probably something like x86_64-linux-gnu-g++
10:00:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  and that symlink might be the one that's out of date
10:00:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  that will be the second word in the .cflags file
10:02:50 <PleasingFungus> OK, I sent him an email saying that.
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10:39:45 <t4nk224> aight dudes this is the same guy who got his file corrupted
10:40:15 <t4nk224> because apparently messing with the window iwdth and height doesn't do me any favours because it doesn't work
10:40:35 <t4nk224> can someone suggest to me a method which allows me to play tiles without it being at a ridiculously large window size
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10:43:52 <ontoclasm> webtiles or local?
10:44:37 <t4nk224> LOCAL
10:44:40 <ontoclasm> resizing the window should work; what happens when you try
10:44:41 <t4nk224> soz caps
10:44:49 <t4nk224> nah can't do that
10:45:02 <t4nk224> playing on 0.14, if that's a new feature
10:45:12 <ontoclasm> i'm pretty sure it's not
10:45:32 <ontoclasm> like, if you drag the window edges, it just doesn't change size?
10:45:36 <t4nk224> well i can't do it
10:46:13 <t4nk224> is there a way to edit properties and force it at a certain window size
10:46:59 <ontoclasm> tile_window_width   = 1024
10:46:59 <ontoclasm> tile_window_height  = 768
10:47:09 <ontoclasm> in your init file
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10:47:31 <PleasingFungus> resizing the window in local tiles is, in fact, a new feature.
10:47:34 <PleasingFungus> was added about a month ago, iirc.
10:47:41 <ontoclasm> wow, really?
10:47:58 <t4nk224> Onto: I did just that
10:48:00 <ontoclasm> also how did you hear that are you a ghost
10:48:02 <t4nk224> i managed to corrupt my save file
10:48:05 <t4nk224> and it didn't work.
10:48:16 <ontoclasm> t4nk224: uh, it certainly shouldn't corrupt your save file
10:48:20 <t4nk224> it's still as bitchin big as it once was
10:48:25 <t4nk224> oh yeah, it wasn't supposed to but it did
10:48:27 <PleasingFungus> I am a log reader.
10:48:33 <PleasingFungus> %git 2aaebbb05413ccb71afed3329e3e309a444c0530
10:48:33 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2002-g2aaebbb: Handle SDL2 window resizing; allow window to be resized. 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 14+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aaebbb05413
10:48:37 <PleasingFungus> %git 9e6f58dcabc7f47398c9806e4c80f93efbd0d4d2
10:48:37 <Cheibriados> 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-2585-g9e6f58d: Fix resizing of the Tiles window 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e6f58dcabc7
10:48:44 <PleasingFungus> this stuff, iirc
10:48:48 <ontoclasm> well, i guess try trunk then
10:49:08 <t4nk224> no can do
10:49:14 <t4nk224> i'm on a relay game that uses 14
10:49:42 <ontoclasm> fullscreen it?
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10:50:04 <t4nk224> true or false it doesn't go full screen
10:50:13 <t4nk224> it's like the init doesn't listen to me at all
10:50:25 <ontoclasm> which init are you changing
10:50:31 <t4nk224> init.txt
10:50:41 <ontoclasm> on windows there are like three different ones in different places
10:50:47 <ontoclasm> because windows is dumb
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10:50:58 <t4nk224> i used init.txt in the program files crawl folder
10:51:58 <doy> does it work if you change other (not tiles relatd) settings?
10:53:03 <t4nk224> yeaaah no.
10:53:06 <t4nk224> no it doesn't.
10:53:17 <t4nk224> i jaccked the font sizes to 1 nothing happened
10:53:24 <doy> my guess is that you're editing the wrong config file then
10:53:25 <doy> (:
10:53:32 <t4nk224> can't be.
10:53:59 <t4nk224> it's the exact folder location that i was given at the starting screen
10:54:10 <t4nk224> unless it lied to me
10:54:49 <t4nk224> which isn't the case because there really isn't another init file
10:55:33 <ontoclasm> try the one in settings/init.txt
10:55:44 <t4nk224> that's the one.
10:55:44 <doy> can you put the contents of the file you're editing up on pastebin or something?
10:56:36 <t4nk224> http://pastebin.com/7tuAZpM5
10:57:25 <PleasingFungus> um
10:57:27 <doy> you should remove the # at the beginning of the lines
10:57:32 <PleasingFungus> yeah
10:57:40 <t4nk224> son of a bitch fuck.
10:57:52 <PleasingFungus> so, the good news is that your save corruption had nothing to do with your init file edits
10:58:07 <t4nk224> bad news is that it's still corupted for some reason
10:58:26 <t4nk224> but at least i get to watch porn while i'm playing
10:58:40 <t4nk224> appreciate the help, guys
10:59:56 <PleasingFungus> godspeed
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11:02:44 <t4nk224> Take two for the crawl yrelay game, with this shitty character who can't kill a thing
11:02:55 <t4nk224> literally killing bosses with just simulacra how sad can this get
11:06:09 <PleasingFungus> simulacra is quite good.
11:06:16 <PleasingFungus> also, you might want to be in ##crawl .
11:07:55 <t4nk224> anyone even talk there
11:08:52 <PleasingFungus> sometimes
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11:21:53 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3212-g68818ff (34)
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11:33:16 <geekosaur> it can be hard to tell due to all the bot spam, which has grown considerably with the new servers etc., and even without that activity varies. sometimes it's nearly dead like now, sometimes there's enough chatter to overwhelm even the bot spam
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12:05:09 <wheals> does anyone know why resist_adjust_damage takes an actor, a beam_type, and the resistance level?
12:05:09 <Sequell> wheals: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
12:05:17 <wheals> can't the third be calculated from the first two?
12:05:19 <wheals> !messages
12:05:19 <Sequell> (1/3) PleasingFungus said (16h 29m 32s ago): I don't think it's much of a mystery, it's some combination of "heh heh heh, you're banished to the abyss!" and "heh, we call going into the abyss 'going down stairs'"
12:05:21 <wheals> !messages
12:05:22 <Sequell> (1/2) PleasingFungus said (16h 28m 27s ago): Ammo gifts to orcs only require that they have a launcher (in either of their weapon slots), not that they be wielding the weapon. Reference monster::launcher
12:05:24 <wheals> !messages
12:05:24 <Sequell> (1/1) Grunt said (14h 35m 33s ago): !lm SGrunt ghost 452
12:05:30 <wheals> !lm SGrunt ghost 452
12:05:31 <Sequell> 452/454. [2014-12-19 03:29:29] SGrunt the Gelid (L17 DrCj of Vehumet) killed the ghost of wheals the Tainter, a mighty FoVM of Ru on turn 46466. (Snake:5)
12:05:38 <wheals> dang
12:05:45 <wheals> !lg . fo x=map
12:05:46 <Sequell> 89. [map=snake_pit_salamanders_mu] wheals the Tainter (L19 FoVM of Ru), blasted by a salamander mystic (burning poison) on Snake:5 (snake_pit_salamanders_mu) on 2014-12-17 17:06:36, with 181694 points after 50651 turns and 2:09:25.
12:05:50 <wheals> oh, not a grunt map
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12:16:27 <PleasingFungus> wheals: well, grunt is working on salamanders
12:16:34 <PleasingFungus> and you were killed in a map that had salamander in the name
12:16:36 <PleasingFungus> therefore....
12:18:59 <wheals> PleasingFungus: any idea about the resist_adjust_damage thing?
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12:20:27 <PleasingFungus> !source resist_adjust_damage
12:20:28 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/fight.cc;hb=HEAD#l416
12:21:17 <PleasingFungus> probably because one or more of its callers is doing something insanely dumb
12:21:49 <PleasingFungus> oh
12:21:57 <PleasingFungus> the comment on lines 438-439 is wrong
12:22:00 <PleasingFungus> someone should fix that
12:24:30 <doy> "someone"
12:24:41 <PleasingFungus> well
12:24:45 <PleasingFungus> I'll do it when I get home if no one else has
12:24:53 <Rotatell> Piginabag (L12 OpEn) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (D:11)
12:25:28 <wheals> wrong in what way
12:25:41 <wheals> wulndraste?
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12:27:48 <PleasingFungus> no
12:27:54 <PleasingFungus> I changed poison to be a boolean resist a few months ago
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12:29:13 <wheals> * Damage is reduced to 1/2, 1/3, or 1/5 if res has values 1, 2, and 3,
12:29:13 <wheals> * respectively.
12:29:23 <wheals> that can't be correct for both monsters and players, can it?
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12:31:10 <PleasingFungus> I think that's for players
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12:32:03 <wheals> ??resistance
12:32:04 <Sequell> resistance[1/3]: Player: r{F,C,Elec,Pois}-: weapon brands: 200%, beams: 150%; r{F,C}+: 50%; r{F,C}++: 33%; r{F,C}+++: 20%; rN+: 50%; rN++: 25%; rN+++: 0%; rCorr: 50%; rPois+,rElec+: 33%
12:32:18 <PleasingFungus> monsters get 1/2, 1/5, 0
12:32:59 <PleasingFungus> or 1/3, 1/6, 0 for rElec / rPois
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13:54:51 <johnstein> |amethyst: on CBRO I have too many experimentals. apparently console users can't see the Wulndraste option
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13:55:51 <johnstein> the obvious solution is to retire some experimentals. is there an obvious technical solution to showing more? just doubling them up per line? it's just a text file right?
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14:06:17 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3213-g024a6ef: Axe a block as requested. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=024a6ef53818
14:06:17 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3214-gcfcd8ee: Change the randbook formula. 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfcd8ee66619
14:06:17 <Cheibriados> 03wheals02 07* 0.16-a0-3215-g5dfac0e: Make calling resist_adjust_damage() more sane. 10(6 minutes ago, 18 files, 94+ 143-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dfac0e1091a
14:06:31 <wheals> PleasingFungus: looks like the parameter was completely useless
14:06:41 <wheals> next up, removing the inconsistnecy for ranged
14:07:52 <Rotatell> Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
14:08:34 <Rotatell> Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
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14:10:32 <Rotatell> Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
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14:14:21 <Rotatell> Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
14:15:10 <PleasingFungus> oh
14:15:13 <PleasingFungus> that's an interesting crash
14:15:17 <PleasingFungus> !crashlog piginabag
14:15:17 <Sequell> 18. Piginabag, XL27 OpFi, T:77510 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20141130-101412.txt
14:15:41 <wheals> Sequell doesn't have that file yet
14:15:54 <wheals> johnstein can probably link the crash logs to
14:16:01 <wheals> s/to/though
14:16:19 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:16:24 <PleasingFungus> how would I pull it up?
14:16:31 <PleasingFungus> or do I need to wait
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14:16:41 <PleasingFungus> !lm * piginabag crash
14:16:41 <Sequell> No keyword 'piginabag'
14:16:45 <PleasingFungus> !lm piginabag crash
14:16:45 <Sequell> 18. [2014-11-30 10:14:12] Piginabag the Imperceptible (L27 OpFi of Xom)  (Zot:5)
14:17:04 <wheals> !log piginabag cbro
14:17:05 <Sequell> No games for piginabag (cbro).
14:17:09 <wheals> !log wheals
14:17:09 <Sequell> 3346. wheals, XL2 OpEE, T:466: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wheals/morgue-wheals-20141219-195521.txt
14:17:27 <wheals> try rooting around in http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/piginabag
14:17:31 <PleasingFungus> wheals: thank you for cleaning up "XXX: refactor this into some more general function (why isn't there one already???)"
14:17:43 <PleasingFungus> The requested URL /crawl/morgue/piginabag was not found on this server.
14:17:52 <wheals> my job is to respond to grunt comments in code
14:17:53 <wheals> maybe
14:17:55 <wheals> oh :(
14:17:55 <PleasingFungus> oh, caps
14:18:00 <PleasingFungus> also that was my comment
14:18:08 <wheals> oh, i thought grunt coded elemental staff
14:18:09 <PleasingFungus> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/ is the link
14:18:15 <PleasingFungus> I cleaned it up some months ago
14:18:19 <PleasingFungus> estaff
14:18:22 <PleasingFungus> there was bugginess
14:18:32 <wheals> !send PleasingFungus a staff of bugginess
14:18:33 <Sequell> Sending a staff of bugginess to PleasingFungus.
14:18:34 <PleasingFungus> ah ha, ru crash
14:18:43 <PleasingFungus> !tell Lasty http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20141219-201414.txt
14:18:44 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know.
14:18:44 <wheals> huh, not wu?
14:18:47 <PleasingFungus> wer
14:18:49 <PleasingFungus> *er
14:19:00 <PleasingFungus> sorry, I still mentally equate "ru" with "lasty's new god"
14:19:12 <|amethyst> johnstein:  yeah, it's just a text file
14:19:18 <PleasingFungus> this is the first time I've typed out the mistake but I've thought it several times
14:19:21 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: I'm aware of the crash, I'm pretty sure I forgot to add wulndraste to some list. Or maybe added it when I shouldn't have.
14:19:23 <|amethyst> johnstein:  so whatever you can do to make it fit in 80x23 would work
14:19:24 <Lasty_> Should be easy to fix.
14:19:26 <PleasingFungus> hm
14:19:32 <wheals> ??lasty to do[pigin
14:19:33 <Sequell> lasty_to_do[7/8]: Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
14:19:34 <PleasingFungus> !source angry_gods
14:19:37 <Sequell> Couldn't find angry_gods in the Crawl source tree
14:19:41 <PleasingFungus> !source religion.cc
14:19:41 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/religion.cc;hb=HEAD
14:19:44 <wheals> !learn e lasty_to_do[7] s/$/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20141219-201414.txt
14:19:44 <Sequell> Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts
14:19:50 <|amethyst> johnstein:  (I guess 24 counting the => line)
14:19:51 <wheals> !learn e lasty_to_do[7] s@$@ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20141219-201414.txt
14:19:52 <Sequell> lasty to do[7/8]: Piginabag (L13 OpGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6) http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20141219-201414.txt
14:20:04 <PleasingFungus> !source divine_retribution
14:20:04 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc;hb=HEAD#l1756
14:20:13 <PleasingFungus> %git no-backtracking-god
14:20:13 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit no-backtracking-god (git returned 128)
14:20:25 <wheals> !learn del lasty_to_do[1
14:20:26 <Sequell> Deleted lasty to do[1/8]: remove last-hitting for piety
14:20:32 <Lasty_> wheals:  you already did that?
14:20:43 <wheals> no, PleasingFungus did
14:20:50 <PleasingFungus> :)
14:21:00 <wheals> all gods treat all allies like the player now for kills
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14:21:14 <Lasty_> Hooray!
14:21:53 <Lasty_> So yeah, the fix for the piginabag crash is just adding case GOD_WULNDRASTE: on line 1803.
14:22:06 <PleasingFungus> found it
14:22:08 <PleasingFungus> no
14:22:09 <Lasty_> er wait, is it?
14:22:09 <PleasingFungus> that's not it
14:22:15 <Lasty_> I think Wuln has a wrath
14:22:16 <PleasingFungus> it's line 1078
14:22:18 <PleasingFungus> in religion.cc
14:22:31 <wheals> <Rotatell> Piginabag the Blocker (L13 OpGl), worshipper of Wulndraste, quit the game on Lair:6, with 34513 points after 19276 turns and 1:07:51.
14:22:41 <PleasingFungus> dang
14:22:52 <wheals> you monsters!!!
14:23:00 <PleasingFungus> we blew it all up...
14:23:05 <wheals> !learn e wheals[2] s/$/, remove ranged param from resist_adjust_damage
14:23:05 <Sequell> wheals[2/8]: todo: leeches, plague shamblers???, wind wall, the home shopping network, species-data, butchering time-taking, remove effects.cc, remove ranged param from resist_adjust_damage
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14:24:05 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: anyway, just add an && GOD != GOD_WULNDRASTE to religion.cc:1078
14:24:09 <Lightli> you fools what have you done
14:24:21 <Lasty_> yarp
14:24:29 <PleasingFungus> that one's sneaky
14:24:37 <Lasty_> Also there's a list somewhere of which gods allow Invo training
14:24:42 <Lasty_> and Wuln needs to be added there too
14:24:56 <Lightli> anyways off to wait for that labyrinth bug to be fixed so I can go back to wuld
14:25:08 <Lasty_> Lightli: I'll try to knock it out tonight
14:25:11 <Lightli> thanks
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14:25:37 <PleasingFungus> !ko Lasty_
14:25:38 <Ironfoot> !messages
14:25:38 <Sequell> No messages for Ironfoot.
14:25:47 <Ironfoot> Thanks for Wulndraste
14:25:52 <Ironfoot> and bringing md back
14:26:48 <PleasingFungus> oh I forgot
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14:27:17 <PleasingFungus> !tell wheals removing the weird 'ranged' special case is a brutal nerf to early-game mummy. you must look into your heart to decide whether you care
14:27:17 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know.
14:27:57 <Ironfoot> hm, you are not the talkative types it seems, anyway, thanks for experimental branches and happy x-mas k bay
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14:29:50 <theTower> someone's not the patient types
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14:30:44 <Lasty_> tentatively  exercise.cc:17 needs to have W abilities added for Invo. Might not be the whole issue tho.
14:31:03 <PleasingFungus> !source exercise.cc
14:31:03 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/exercise.cc;hb=HEAD
14:31:13 <PleasingFungus> aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAA
14:31:25 <PleasingFungus> jesus fucking christ
14:31:35 <Lasty_> you've never seen that file before? :p
14:31:48 <PleasingFungus> I've never seen the top of that file before
14:33:12 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L13 VSMo) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (D:14)
14:33:26 <theTower> random2(angry_gods.size())
14:34:52 <Rotatell> MrPlanck (L13 VSMo) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (D:14)
14:36:39 <PleasingFungus> good @crawlcode inspiration
14:45:41 <Rotatell> ElanMorin (L13 MiGl) ASSERT(divine_retribution(angry_gods[random2(angry_gods.size())])) in 'religion.cc' at line 4096 failed. (Lair:6)
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15:15:44 <Lightli> so having splatted a good OpIE on Elf:$ because I got unlucky and hit the crystal guardian ending
15:16:06 <Lightli> why aren't those in all the endings
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15:30:54 <PleasingFungus> he's been doing that, on average, about twice a day for the last several days
15:31:17 <PleasingFungus> !tell ironfoot /msg Sequell !messages
15:31:18 <Sequell> PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ironfoot know.
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15:33:59 <Lightli> why do op get strength from random level up
15:34:33 <Lasty_> Same reason as draconians do
15:34:45 <PleasingFungus> no
15:34:46 <Lightli> draconians at least had the excuse that they originally were able to wear body armor
15:34:48 <PleasingFungus> there was a discussion about this a few months back
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15:34:58 <PleasingFungus> str is actually quite useful for OP
15:35:01 <Lightli> oh
15:35:04 <Lasty_> it does help constriction
15:35:07 <PleasingFungus> their aux attacks scale off it
15:35:11 <Lightli> in that case nm
15:35:12 <PleasingFungus> the constriction & the tentacle slap
15:35:13 <PleasingFungus> iirc
15:35:37 <PleasingFungus> hm. would it be a good thing if stats mattered for weapons?
15:35:41 <|amethyst> and melee damage uses str, though +1 isn't going to make much difference
15:36:01 <PleasingFungus> I am trying to decide if "str_weight" should exist
15:36:06 <Lasty_> imo no
15:36:16 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: why?
15:36:35 <|amethyst> dex already matters for enough things
15:36:43 <Lasty_> 1) it's obscure, and 2) people who know about it generally get fixated on it without realizing how little it matters.
15:36:55 <Lasty_> Its effect is really small
15:37:05 <|amethyst> I think 100% str weight for damage, 100% dex for to-hit would be reasonable
15:37:42 <|amethyst> maybe that's too much of a nerf to some chars?
15:37:42 <Bloax> Simplifying stats like that would be nice.
15:37:52 <|amethyst> but, as said, it's not that huge a difference
15:37:53 <Bloax> although perhaps they both should give +acc
15:38:09 <Lasty_> I'd be perfectly happy with that, and it would make things much clearer. Even if for some reason we need to keep both contributing, having a single fixed str_weight for everything would be fine.
15:38:17 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: That is not the question that I'm asking.
15:38:45 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: The question that I was asking was, should str_weight be increased to something notable (or should it be removed)
15:38:47 <Bloax> making the str bonus more deterministic would probably also help
15:38:57 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: ah. I vote removed, then.
15:39:11 <Bloax> i'm really not seeing any point to having it be a random multiplier when the actual damage is already random
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15:39:33 <Bloax> a 3x multiplier on a low roll will still result in low damage
15:39:34 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: you're zooming in way too far.
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15:40:24 <|amethyst> you increase variance by doing that
15:40:38 <Bloax> funny as it is
15:40:48 <Bloax> isn't it*
15:43:20 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_: here's an argument - I'm not committing to it. stats are a way to limit your character's long-term development by your race & your early-game choices. Heavy armour is never gonna be practical with 10 str; level 9 spells are never gonna be practical with 10 int; etc. +stat items mitigate this to some extent, but of course using up a slot on a +stat item is a cost to having low stats...
15:43:22 <PleasingFungus> ...in itself. chei/zin more or less obviate racial & chosen stats - chei in particular essentially makes stats irrelevant, from a design perspective - but that's the point of gods, breaking the rules. anyway, given that stats exist in the game, they should be significant. choice of armour is stat-limited; choice of spells is stat-limited; why shouldn't choice of weapon be?
15:43:38 <PleasingFungus> sorry, should've had more line breaks in there.
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15:44:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  choice of weapon skill, or choice of weapon within the skill?
15:45:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  our current str-weight system learns towards the former I think
15:45:23 <|amethyst> s/learn/lean/
15:45:42 <|amethyst> not the system, but the numbers rather (which weapons have which weight)
15:45:45 <PleasingFungus> Reasonable question. I don't think it's useful to care too much about exactly how the current str-weight system works, given that it doesn't really work.
15:46:06 <Lasty_> I get that argument, but I think the question isn't so much "should stats be a factor in weapon choice," or "would weapon choice be more interesting if stats became a factor?" For the second to be true, I think it would have to be the case that the differences in rarity, investment, and damage between different weapons would have to be insufficiently interesting on their own, and I think they are interesting on their own.
15:46:39 <Lasty_> I'd rather choose M&F over long blades because the distribution/cost lines up better with my plans than because I happen to have lots of str.
15:47:20 <Lasty_> er, should be "but" rather than "or" between the two questions
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15:47:44 <Lasty_> What I'm getting at is that the second question is more important.
15:48:38 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: With the way that our weapons currently work, it seems like a system that restricted choice of weapons within a skill would have to restrict "how good are the weapons within a given skill that you can use" (can you use triple swords, etc), which feels pretty close "is it worth investing in weapons at all (over spells, etc)". Weapon skill would probably be a better way to go.
15:48:40 <PleasingFungus> Lasty_:
15:49:17 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  but we already have aptitudes there
15:49:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  I guess there's the argument that background should matter too
15:49:35 <|amethyst> (its initial stat constribution)
15:49:36 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: racial stats are necessarily pretty redundant with aptitudes
15:49:56 <Lasty_> Was the empty comment there intentional?
15:50:11 <PleasingFungus> it was to indicate that I wasn't ignoring you but am still typing up a response
15:50:14 <Lasty_> oh, ah
15:51:03 <Bloax> chei doesn't really make stats irrelevant
15:51:05 <Lasty_> I suppose it could be argued that distribution is a bad thing to have be an interesting difference between weapon classes, since it's not apparent without a certain level of experience
15:51:16 <Bloax> he just reduces your stat weaknesses
15:51:22 <Bloax> and amplifies the fuck out of your stat strengths
15:51:32 <Bloax> 25 dex isn't nearly as good as 40 dex
15:51:41 <PleasingFungus> it's also been argued that the differences in distribution aren't *that* strong at present
15:51:42 <Bloax> and neither is 25 str or 25 int as good as 40 str/int
15:52:03 <Bloax> which is a very different thing from making them irrelevant
15:53:20 <PleasingFungus> It's very commonly argued that most of our weapon types *aren't* very well differentiated, at present. M&F and Lbl are commonly brought up as the main offenders there. Differentiating by which stats are useful for them (so lbl would make more sense for dexier/dodgier characters, whereas m&f would be more useful for big heavy-armour str-focused chars...) I don't think is all that boring a...
15:53:22 <PleasingFungus> ...thing - I think it's a more interesting choice than the present "do I want to have lower odds of getting a top-tier weapon unless I go with oka/trog, or not" lbl/m&f choice
15:54:29 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: I was talking about stats locking you out of choices - the design function of stats. at 25 of whatever stat, you can do essentially whatever you want with that stat - you can wear heavy armour, cast level 9 spells, whatever. having more of that stat is good, sure, but it's not as big of a shift.
15:54:55 <Bloax> well certainly
15:55:02 <Bloax> chei is the go-to god if you find something really nice
15:55:08 <Bloax> but also something that your stats don't permit you to use
15:55:14 <Bloax> which is a pretty unique trait
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15:55:31 <Bloax> unfortunately everyone is so afraid of him that this rarely happens
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15:56:07 <Bloax> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=199266#p199266 this thread was painful
15:57:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus:  hm... would be good to collect some baseline fsim data
15:57:49 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: That point makes sense to me.
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15:59:58 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: yeah - I strongly suspect that, say, 10 points of str or dex do make a difference to weapon damage at present. probably shouldn't go ripping things out without knowing exactly what they do right now
16:01:21 <Lasty_> PleasingFungus: I'm not sure I like the idea that if I start going dex, I want to start paying less attention to several whole categories of weapon . . . and making the effect big enough to notice might throw off existing balance -- either it makes the on-stat weapons noticeably better than weapons are now, or it makes the off-stat weapons noticeably worse than weapons are now
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16:01:31 <Lasty_> s/start/stop/
16:01:35 <PleasingFungus> I would want it to be the latter.
16:01:47 <PleasingFungus> The whole point is to lock off what kinds of choices you have, after all.
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16:02:23 <Lasty_> Does that enhance or decrease the interestingness of weapon choice?
16:02:42 <Lasty_> If it makes the choice for you, it could make it less interesting . . .
16:03:06 <PleasingFungus> Trying to balance "my stats aren't super great for this weapon" versus "this is a really good weapon" is an interesting new type of choice that would appear.
16:05:01 <Lasty_> That's true
16:05:25 <Lasty_> How big of a difference are you envisioning? (will read the reply in like 30 min -- heading home)
16:06:35 <PleasingFungus> on the other hand, one of the more interesting choices at present is "I've been training skill X so far, but I found weapon of type Y in (early D/Lair) - should I switch???". which obviously is less likely if stats are soft-locking weapon classes
16:07:19 <PleasingFungus> not sure how to quantify the stuff I'm talking about here. it's very much up in the rarerified air of the Plane of Pure Ideology
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16:09:48 <PleasingFungus> will think about it a little more.
16:10:13 <PleasingFungus> probably it would be fine to remove str_weight in the meanwhile - I don't think the current thing would have much relation to it.
16:10:25 <PleasingFungus> *would have much relation to the hypothetical, relevant stat interaction with weapons
16:10:43 <Bloax> +15 str/dex gives you about +39% damage
16:10:44 <|amethyst> I think stats might be more interesting if they were more left to player choice and less to background and race
16:10:47 <Bloax> which is almost as good as being permahasted
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16:11:18 <Bloax> well the race should play a substantial role
16:11:20 <|amethyst> not completely the former, but a shift in weight
16:11:23 <Bloax> backgrounds i am not very sure about
16:11:24 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: Is that +15 str+dex, or (+15 str or +15 dex)?
16:11:30 <PleasingFungus> Bloax: I think the exact opposite.
16:11:31 <Bloax> str+dex
16:11:45 <Bloax> races are the only thing that differentiates backgrounds
16:11:57 <PleasingFungus> Races already have apts to handle this sort of thing. Backgrounds, obviously, don't.
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16:12:32 <|amethyst> I think a mfwz starting with the same str and int as a mffi would be bad
16:12:33 <PleasingFungus> |amethyst: yeah, there's been talk for a very long time about how the "+1 stat per level-up" isn't very meaningful at all at present
16:12:39 <|amethyst> I just think it should be easier to catch up
16:13:08 <PleasingFungus> I would be a perfectly happy person if a mffi had different stats from a mfwz, but the same stats as a kofi, or a mifi, or w/e
16:13:14 <PleasingFungus> (stats & growths)
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16:20:00 <Bloax> reminds me a lot of some D&D games
16:20:05 <Bloax> except even more homogeneous
16:20:40 <Bloax> (because a half-orc sure has more str than a halfling)
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17:18:17 <johnstein> uh
17:18:24 <johnstein> ^version
17:18:24 <Rotatell> trunk: 0.16-a0-3212-g68818ff;  0.14: 0.14.2;  0.13: 0.13.2
17:18:28 <johnstein> %version
17:18:28 <Sizzell> trunk: 0.16-a0-3212-g68818ff;  0.15: 0.15.2;  0.14: 0.14.2;  0.13: 0.13.2;  0.12: 0.12.3;  0.11: 0.11.3;  0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415
17:19:16 <johnstein> !crash SharpStick
17:19:17 <Sequell> No milestones for SharpStick (crash).
17:19:31 <johnstein> must be wulndraste
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17:20:30 <johnstein> coincidence they are both from L:7?
17:20:48 <geekosaur> [19 20:30] <Lasty_> tentatively  exercise.cc:17 needs to have W abilities added for Invo. Might not be the whole issue tho.
17:21:26 <Lasty> already have fixes for that and penance
17:21:31 <Lasty> working on the stairs bug
17:21:33 <geekosaur> also in scrollback I see the same crash on L:6 and D:14
17:21:38 <johnstein> ah ok
17:21:51 <johnstein> FYI rebuild should work for experimentals
17:22:01 <johnstein> though I may not have all devs on the list.
17:22:08 <Lasty> oh, is that something I can do?
17:22:21 <Lasty> ??cbro
17:22:21 <Sequell> cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots
17:22:26 <johnstein> if I give you the power
17:22:30 <johnstein> ??rebuild
17:22:30 <Sequell> rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely.
17:22:34 <ontoclasm> THE POWER
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17:22:53 <johnstein> do you have a CBRO account?
17:23:00 <Lasty> yes
17:23:24 <johnstein> then I shall grant you the power now while I wait for these jobs to run here at work
17:23:27 <Lasty> ah, looks like I'm already set up
17:23:42 <Lasty> ty!
17:23:52 <johnstein> or maybe I'm THAT FAST!!
17:23:57 <ontoclasm> whoa
17:24:12 <ontoclasm> do you mind adding me on there?
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17:27:23 <Lasty> weird: dgn_find_nearby_stair thinks there are down stairs in the labyrinth
17:27:48 <Lasty> like DNGN_STONE_STAIRS_DOWN_I
17:28:00 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16-a0-3215-g5dfac0e (34)
17:29:47 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[no_backtracking_god] * 0.16-a0-3187-ga1086eb: Allow training Invocations under Wulndraste (Piginabag) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1086eb9035f
17:29:47 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[no_backtracking_god] * 0.16-a0-3188-g16c41b0: Don't crash on Wulndraste penance (Piginabag) 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16c41b0862fe
17:30:53 <Lasty> it claims all three down stairs are a 7,52. Is that a special value?
17:31:30 <Lasty> Is there a way to teleport to a coordinate?
17:32:23 <doy> the X map should show coordinates at the top in wizmode
17:32:35 <johnstein> ontoclasm: do you have a CBRO account?
17:33:48 <Lasty> doy: I'm not seeing it
17:34:08 <doy> "Level 12 of the Dungeon (36, 21)"
17:34:24 <doy> are you in wizmode?
17:34:27 <Lasty> is it console-only
17:34:28 <Lasty> yes
17:34:30 <doy> oh, maybe
17:34:37 <doy> i'm in console, at least
17:34:47 <Lasty> I'll try rebuilding in console
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17:37:12 <doy> it's possible it's a stair cache issue - were there stairs at 7,52 on the level that you entered the lab from? or was the lab entrance at 7,52?
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17:38:28 <Lasty> I teleported in with wizard mode, but arguably it could have been cached from the level I teleported from. All three stairs having the same coord seems weird tho
17:38:44 <Lasty> and it's coming from a non-cached function
17:40:10 <johnstein> "ontoclasm is now a DGL admin"
17:40:55 <Lasty> 7,52 appears to be normal terrain.
17:41:43 <Lasty> better dissect dgn_find_nearby_stair
17:43:06 <ontoclasm> thanks!
17:44:16 <doy> oh, heh
17:44:24 <doy> 7,52 is the entrance to the lab
17:44:27 <doy> apparently
17:44:29 <Lasty> ah
17:44:31 <doy> i wonder why that's useful
17:44:40 <Lasty> why would that be a down stair?
17:45:10 <Lasty> maybe I should just say if you're in a lab, exits are always allowed :p
17:45:22 <doy> !source dungeon.cc:6292
17:45:23 <Sequell> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc;hb=HEAD#l6292
17:45:40 <doy> looking for either down or up stairs in a lab will return the lab entry point
17:45:42 <doy> for some reason
17:45:45 <Lasty> lol
17:45:52 <Lasty> that's awful
17:46:22 <doy> it's not usually relevant because the lab exit is an escape hatch, and those are handled earlier
17:46:33 <doy> really curious as to what depends on that behavior
17:46:42 <Lasty> yeah, ditto
17:47:52 <Lasty> awright, got a fix
17:48:06 <geekosaur> %git ed0cc7974
17:48:06 <Cheibriados> 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-750-ged0cc79: Labyrinth entry points are now a guaranteed minimum distance away from the exit. 10(7 years ago, 5 files, 108+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed0cc797420e
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17:48:33 <doy> %git 1dc472d4d
17:48:33 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-1466-g1dc472d: Fix wizmode portals placing you in unexpected places in Labs. 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dc472d4dfc2
17:48:37 <doy> that looks like the relevant one
17:48:57 <doy> it used to only return that if you were looking for the lab entry
17:49:17 <doy> but the lab entry doesn't (didn't? or something?) get set if you wizmode-teleport in?
17:49:27 <doy> not really sure
17:50:10 <geekosaur> looks like it, yeh, and it wasn't expecting to be called by something looking for an exit in a lab
17:50:15 <doy> or maybe wizmode portals always try to place you on a staircase
17:50:19 <doy> and labs don't have staircases
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17:50:57 <doy> seems like it'd have been a better idea to fix wizmode portals
17:51:16 <Lasty> rebuilding
17:51:28 <geekosaur> 0.3 >.>
17:51:55 <geekosaur> or building on an 0.3 at least
17:54:31 <Lasty> (6:50:51 PM) crate:  The deep elf priest utters a dark prayer and points at NO_TARGET.
17:54:31 <Lasty> (6:50:51 PM) crate:  The deep elf priest's life force is offered up.
17:54:31 <Lasty> (6:50:55 PM) crate: good ru
17:54:48 <Lasty> wheals: ^
17:55:14 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[no_backtracking_god] * 0.16-a0-3189-g4ed50cb: Prevent Wulndraste/labyrinth interaction (doy, Lightli) 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ed50cbb01e7
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18:02:57 <Rotatell> Experimental (no_backtracking_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3189-g4ed50cb
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18:04:06 <Lasty> !tell wheals crate:  The deep elf priest utters a dark prayer and points at NO_TARGET. crate:  The deep elf priest's life force is offered up.
18:04:06 <Sequell> Lasty: OK, I'll let wheals know.
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18:12:55 <Rotatell> Experimental (no_backtracking_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3190-g4098104
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18:15:36 <Cheibriados> 03Lasty02 07[no_backtracking_god] * 0.16-a0-3190-g4098104: Let Wulndraste allow you to leave a branch. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4098104bee71
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19:09:07 <gammafunk> %git
19:09:07 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-3215-g5dfac0e: Make calling resist_adjust_damage() more sane. 10(5 hours ago, 18 files, 94+ 143-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dfac0e1091a
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19:10:23 <gammafunk> oh, heh
19:10:28 <gammafunk> %git HEAD^1
19:10:28 <Cheibriados> 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-3214-gcfcd8ee: Change the randbook formula. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfcd8ee66619
19:10:39 <gammafunk> I read that as the formula for making randbooks
19:10:48 <gammafunk> he means the pricing formula for randbooks in shops
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19:31:55 <Cheibriados> Crash when throwing a randbook 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9344 by ebering
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19:33:57 <gammafunk> so then we'll just remove the transmutations school
19:34:29 <PleasingFungus> finally.
19:34:38 <PleasingFungus> god, this great weight has been lifted from my shoulders!
19:34:40 <PleasingFungus> I feel so happy....
19:34:42 <gammafunk> it was ghtm holding you back, wasn't it
19:34:51 <PleasingFungus> !hs * ghtm
19:34:51 <Sequell> 203. Pseudonut the Grand Master (L27 GhTm of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-05-15 13:07:16, with 9029611 points after 191755 turns and 20:52:27.
19:34:55 <PleasingFungus> powerful.
19:35:18 <Lasty> !lg pleasingfungus
19:35:19 <Sequell> 371. PleasingFungus the Magician (L1 GhWz), slain by an ooze on D:1 (mrwooster_arrival_statue) on 2014-12-09 04:04:04, with 0 points after 36 turns and 0:00:21.
19:35:31 <PleasingFungus> that was a good game.
19:35:45 <gammafunk> !lg PleasingFungus gh xl>10
19:35:45 <Sequell> 10. PleasingFungus the Fighter (L14 GhWr of Okawaru), mangled by an orc warrior (a +0 halberd) in Bailey (bailey_polearm_5) on 2014-12-09 03:20:19, with 46627 points after 17364 turns and 1:39:57.
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19:35:54 <gammafunk> oh that bailey
19:36:09 <PleasingFungus> that was fucking brutal
19:36:12 <Grunt> it was
19:36:14 <PleasingFungus> full health to zero in two turns
19:36:16 <Grunt> ghoulishly difficult
19:36:20 <PleasingFungus> rip
19:36:23 <PleasingFungus> what a
19:36:24 <Grunt> yeah rip
19:36:24 <PleasingFungus> rotten
19:36:26 <PleasingFungus> thing to say
19:36:35 <Grunt> (it was a good character. what a rotten way to die.)
19:36:51 <gammafunk> please guys, these jokes dead and buried
19:41:05 <Bloax> buried and forgotten
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20:14:18 <Grunt> ooh I just saw an alich with Summon Dragon and SGD
20:14:23 <Grunt> fortunately I splatted it before it got too nasty
20:14:28 <Grunt> (or maybe it was Shadow Creatures???)
20:14:36 <Grunt> (yeah I don't think randliches get Summon Dragon)
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20:18:54 <doy> "jordan's ghost, wielding a vampiric weapon"
20:18:56 <doy> hmmm
20:19:02 <Grunt> hi doy!
20:19:07 <PleasingFungus> doy: ?
20:19:14 <Grunt> doy is watching my game apparently
20:19:43 <doy> "wielding a weapon" is a bit misleading
20:19:48 <doy> although i guess not overly so
20:19:51 <PleasingFungus> is it?
20:20:11 <doy> well, they certainly don't drop it
20:20:17 <PleasingFungus> ya
20:20:19 <PleasingFungus> but they're visibly holding it
20:20:21 <PleasingFungus> so....
20:20:58 <PleasingFungus> !send Grunt dakka
20:20:59 <Sequell> Sending dakka to Grunt.
20:23:14 <doy> i was hoping to watch some randliches in action, but you're not even giving them a chance!
20:23:16 <doy> (:
20:23:30 <Grunt> I am a masterblastercaster after all
20:24:13 <Grunt> good
20:24:15 <Grunt> now the real fun begins
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20:31:20 <PleasingFungus> z:5 -> v:5 is an interesting strategy
20:31:43 <Grunt> I am planning to n-rune for n > 3
20:31:49 <Grunt> mainly I want this character
20:31:49 <Grunt> to
20:31:50 <Grunt> well
20:31:54 <Grunt> !lm . zig:27
20:31:55 <Sequell> No milestones for Grunt (zig:27).
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20:32:12 <PleasingFungus> !lm . zig max=lvl
20:32:12 <Sequell> 149. [2014-01-11 03:54:32] PleasingFungus the Naga Porcupine (L27 NaSk of The Shining One) reached level 15 of a Ziggurat on turn 89800. (Zig:15)
20:32:17 <PleasingFungus> !lm grunt zig max=lvl
20:32:18 <Sequell> 35. [2014-02-03 23:28:00] SGrunt the Annihilator (L27 DECj of Vehumet) reached level 18 of a Ziggurat on turn 168568. (Zig:18)
20:33:26 <PleasingFungus> !lm wheals zig max=lvl
20:33:27 <Sequell> 87. [2013-02-08 01:08:56] wheals the Axe Maniac (L27 HOBe of Trog) reached level 15 of a Ziggurat on turn 100074. (Zig:15)
20:33:30 <PleasingFungus> good
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20:38:05 <Grunt> doy: I hope you were watching that
20:41:48 <Lightli> uh
20:41:54 <Lightli> one thing with wulndraste
20:42:09 <Lightli> having to go down/up every single staircase in order to leave a branch is annoying
20:42:30 <johnstein> I asked g r e e n s n a r k to add the new experimentals to sequell (I finally remembered to link the files). so hopefully we can get some STATS at some point
20:44:08 <gammafunk> well
20:44:10 <gammafunk> !lg
20:44:11 <Sequell> 2478. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:2 (nicolae_swamp_round_clearing) on 2014-12-20 02:41:51, with 13355 points after 8041 turns and 1:06:48.
20:44:28 <gammafunk> late gift on S:1 since late sif, and it has XXX but no usable spells
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20:49:54 <PleasingFungus> Lightli: ?
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20:50:06 <Lightli> oh apparently it was just a minor bug that's fixed now
20:50:10 <PleasingFungus> ok.
20:50:31 <Lightli> but what happened was wulndraste wouldn't let me ascend unless every single downstairs on the level had already been takne
20:51:25 <Lasty> Lightli: that's not a bug, but it probably needs improvement
20:51:40 <PleasingFungus> that sounds incorrect
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20:53:52 <PleasingFungus> !lm * recent orb
20:53:52 <Sequell> 7211. [2014-12-20 02:21:34] Lasty the Devastator (L27 HuCj of Vehumet) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
20:53:55 <PleasingFungus> !lm * recent orb / won
20:53:56 <Sequell> 6970/7211 milestones for * (recent orb): N=6970/7211 (96.66%)
20:54:01 <PleasingFungus> hm
20:54:13 <PleasingFungus> !lm * recent orb s=gid won
20:54:14 <Sequell> 6970 milestones for * (recent orb won): 5x Kotami:cszo:20140624181123S, 5x zkyp:cszo:20140626110817S, 5x Cas:cszo:20140523020956S, 5x traveller:cszo:20140508002030S, 5x ElderVIII:cszo:20140508093623S, 5x Esc:cszo:20140715094551S, 2x Piginabag:cszo:20141030023431S, MrPlanck:cszo:20140230140632S, bh:cszo:20140316030111S, Qrupt:clan:20140314155732S, SaintRoka:cszo:20140928025135S, Dynast:cao:20141018...
20:54:26 <PleasingFungus> !lm * recent orb won x=count(gid)
20:54:27 <Sequell> 6970 milestones for * (recent orb won): count(game_key)=6945
20:54:33 <PleasingFungus> !lm * recent orb !won x=count(gid)
20:54:33 <Sequell> 232 milestones for * (recent orb !won): count(game_key)=232
20:54:50 <PleasingFungus> about 3%.
20:54:57 <PleasingFungus> !lm * current trunk orb !won x=count(gid)
20:54:58 <Sequell> 43 milestones for * (current trunk orb !won): count(game_key)=43
20:55:01 <PleasingFungus> !lm * current trunk orb won x=count(gid)
20:55:02 <Sequell> 2232 milestones for * (current trunk orb won): count(game_key)=2231
20:55:08 <PleasingFungus> !calc 43 / 2274
20:55:09 <Sequell> 0
20:55:11 <PleasingFungus> heh
20:55:14 <PleasingFungus> !calc 43 / 2274.0
20:55:14 <Sequell> 0.02
20:55:29 <PleasingFungus> dang
20:55:30 <PleasingFungus> orb run nerfs
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21:19:53 <Lightli> bug
21:20:08 <Lightli> Wulndraste compels you to press onward! Really ascend?
21:20:13 <Lightli> I'm on Swamp:$ and got the rune
21:20:29 <nicolae-> you have to go deeper
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21:22:58 <johnstein> !lm * 0.10 orb won c=count(gid)
21:22:59 <Sequell> No milestones for * (0.10 orb won c=count(gid)).
21:23:05 <johnstein> !lm * 0.10 orb won x=count(gid)
21:23:06 <Sequell> 1411 milestones for * (0.10 orb won): count(game_key)=1411
21:23:17 <johnstein> !lm * 0.10 orb !won x=count(gid)
21:23:18 <Sequell> 61 milestones for * (0.10 orb !won): count(game_key)=61
21:23:38 <johnstein> !calc 61/1411
21:23:39 <Sequell> 0
21:23:57 <johnstein> !calc 61 / 1411.0
21:23:58 <Sequell> 0.04
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21:26:27 <Kramin> btw did you see my post about not being able to train invo?
21:26:38 <Kramin> seems like a pretty major bug :P
21:26:48 <Kramin> (with W that is)
21:27:01 <nicolae-> iirc lasty says he fixed that and it just hasn't been pushed to the server yet
21:27:13 <Kramin> ok, cool
21:27:23 <nicolae-> or, maybe it has been pushed? i don't know, i'm just some guy
21:27:24 <Lasty> It did get pushed to server
21:27:43 <Kramin> was it something to do with starting as a monk?
21:27:45 <Lasty> Lightli: hrrm, that's new to me
21:27:49 <Lasty> Kramin: it shouldn't be
21:28:05 <Lasty> Kramin: I just missed that you have to set every ability as "exercising" invocations
21:28:12 <Kramin> right
21:28:32 <Lightli> Lasty: What's weirder is that it happened with the unused upstairs but NOT the one I had come down from
21:28:54 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3216-g7b33a19: Improve goblin toss messaging (Haifisch) 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b33a190764b
21:29:00 <Lasty> Lightli: huh, that's odd. Piginabag said something similar to that, but I couldn't reproduce it
21:29:14 <Lasty> oh, hmm
21:29:17 <Lasty> Lemme check something
21:30:18 * Grunt throws something at PleasingFungus.
21:30:45 * PleasingFungus is hit by it!
21:31:30 <Lasty> Hmm. So, when you get the rune, it loops through all the stairs and tries to reset their status. However, you can't set the status on a stair that isn't in your travel log, and unseen stairs aren't in your travel log. But that should be handled . . .
21:31:43 <Lasty> I'm gonna try to test something
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21:32:02 <nicolae-> no don't-- *universe collapses*
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21:34:41 <johnstein> after getting the rune, you can go back up. but can you go back down again?  ie to hit up a shop later
21:35:05 <johnstein> or does "no backtracking" just apply on the descent?
21:35:19 <Lasty> johnstein: yes
21:35:24 <Lasty> you can revisit freely after that
21:36:20 <johnstein> that makes it feel a lot easier than I was imagining
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21:36:54 <read> imo make it so you can only stand on a tile once
21:36:57 <read> NO backtracking
21:37:11 <ontoclasm> remap o to G>
21:38:05 <gammafunk> read: and then forbid a bunch of tiles, mark them red
21:38:09 <gammafunk> you step on them, wrath
21:38:28 <gammafunk> Wulndraste becomes a God of Dance
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21:39:13 <Lasty> I wonder if the conduct would work if you did it as "you can never go up stairs; at the bottom of each branch, you get the option to teleport to the start of another branch." It's really extreme.
21:39:25 <read> that sounds cool as hell but also yeah
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21:39:59 <PleasingFungus> I was thinking about that at one point
21:40:03 <PleasingFungus> hm
21:40:31 <PleasingFungus> actually I was thinking about a slight variant (the option to teleport to the entrance to the current branch after finishing it). that had problems
21:41:36 <ontoclasm> so, does W currently encourage you to dive, or to explore floors fully
21:41:58 <Lasty> More the latter, I think? It's a little hard to tell.
21:42:00 <read> If the flag thing is in then I think the latter.
21:42:20 <ontoclasm> might be neat if it pushed towards the former a bit
21:42:20 <Grunt> mm
21:42:25 <Grunt> I am in holy pan
21:42:29 <Grunt> I get to fight the seraph!! <3
21:42:33 <PleasingFungus> Grunt: :)
21:42:39 <PleasingFungus> Lasty: What happens if the player misses Lair? What happens if they enter an orcbubble?
21:42:43 <ontoclasm> e.g. when you go down from a floor, you get bonus piety based on how many tiles remain unexplored
21:42:46 <PleasingFungus> What happens in Tomb:2?
21:43:04 <ontoclasm> if you miss lair you have to go to d:15
21:43:11 <ontoclasm> i know that one
21:43:16 <ontoclasm> the others idk
21:43:21 <Lasty> PleasingFungus: in that version, you'd need to add a self-shaft ability to deal with orc bubbles. If you miss Lair, you'd need to get to d15 and then warp ro lair
21:43:43 <PleasingFungus> So you can warp to branches you haven't seen?
21:44:11 <Lasty> Yeah, the idea was that you never get to revisit anything -- you can -only- warp to branches you haven't seen
21:44:18 <Cheibriados> 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.16-a0-3217-gd4affe6: Fixup resist_adjust_damage comments 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4affe66306c
21:44:20 <Lasty> until you get the orb
21:44:30 <PleasingFungus> no, I mean
21:44:35 <PleasingFungus> branches you haven't even seen the entrance to
21:44:54 <Lasty> I suppose you wouldn't have to allow that
21:45:05 <Lasty> I had figured it would include all branches
21:45:12 <Lasty> but it certainly wouldn't need to
21:45:12 <PleasingFungus> huh
21:45:18 <PleasingFungus> so you can instantly warp to Vaults, or Zot?
21:45:34 <Lasty> I suppose you'd need to respect runelock
21:45:38 <PleasingFungus> as soon as you get to D:15, that is
21:45:40 <ontoclasm> perhaps "once you've reached a certain depth"
21:45:41 <PleasingFungus> seems a rough deal for geryon
21:45:52 <Lasty> heh
21:45:55 <Lasty> horn tech
21:46:04 <PleasingFungus> the logical answer would be "any branch that's entered from a branch you've finished"
21:46:26 <PleasingFungus> so getting to D:15 lets you enter lair, orc, depths, vaults (once you have a rune), etc
21:46:47 <ontoclasm> Untrodden Paths
21:46:57 <Rotatell> Experimental (faithful) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.16-a0-3154-g62f4276
21:49:12 <Lasty> damn it, it's really hard to pick up the rune from a branch while ensuring you haven't seen a staircase
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21:50:17 <Lasty> okay, I just cannot reproduce this issue
21:51:32 <Lasty> Lightli: I can't figure out how to reproduce the issue you're seeing
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21:52:00 <Lasty> I wonder if wiz mode affects it somehow
21:52:54 <Lightli> Lasty: I'm guessing that when the rune is grabbed, only the staircase that you used to enter the level is flagged for "okay to use"
21:53:26 <Lasty> Lightli: I tried to reproduce that and couldn't
21:53:35 <Lasty> even staircases that hadn't been seen were fine
21:53:44 <Lightli> weird
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21:58:05 <gammafunk> Lasty: another bug you can't reproduce! it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that you're making W as a way to introduce bugs into crawl!
21:58:14 <gammafunk> probably some rogue hacker
21:58:21 <nicolae-> i don't think any of the devs have ever needed an excuse to do that
21:58:36 <gammafunk> nicolae-: none of my code has ever contained bugs
21:58:53 <nicolae-> all code is made of bugs
21:59:00 * PleasingFungus buzzes buggily.
21:59:37 <nicolae-> also it is really hard to think of themes for special rooms, so far all i have is "perma-invisible monsters" and "things that blink all the time"
21:59:42 <Lasty> gammafunk: WHO TOLD  Y-- uh, no, that's an absurd theory.
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22:00:04 * ontoclasm bugs PleasingFungus.
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22:01:03 * Grunt hears an irritating high-pitched whine.
22:01:29 <nicolae-> that might be tinnitus, Grunt
22:01:31 <nicolae-> you should have it looked at
22:02:43 <Grunt> You annihilate the seraph!!!
22:02:43 <Grunt> Vehumet roars: ANNIHILATED!
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22:02:47 <Grunt> well that was an anticlimax
22:02:47 <Grunt> rip
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22:05:56 <nicolae-> what were you expecting
22:06:22 <Grunt> an epic battle!!!
22:06:53 <ontoclasm> !send Grunt a dire Cerebov
22:06:53 <Sequell> Sending a dire Cerebov to Grunt.
22:07:00 <nicolae-> anything can be epic if you take a long time to describe it
22:07:21 <Grunt> epic Fannar
22:07:27 <nicolae-> indeed.
22:07:28 <johnstein> fr dire rats
22:08:07 <gammafunk> !lm Grunt
22:08:07 <Sequell> 10452. [2014-12-20 04:03:45] SGrunt the Englaciator (L27 DrCj of Vehumet) found a demonic rune of Zot on turn 127549. (Pan)
22:08:25 <gammafunk> &dump
22:08:25 <Sequell> http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/gammafunk.txt
22:08:28 <gammafunk> oh
22:08:33 <gammafunk> &dump sgrunt
22:08:33 <Sequell> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/SGrunt/SGrunt.txt
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22:08:44 <gammafunk> nice hat
22:09:29 <gammafunk> Grunt: by the way, did you have an opinion on my necromute proposal?
22:09:57 <gammafunk> *necromut I guess
22:10:12 <gammafunk> we're not muting necromancers, for goodness' sake
22:10:58 <Lightli> quick question
22:11:04 <Lightli> if I win a wulndraste game will it count
22:11:17 <gammafunk> sequell will track it, but not CAO
22:11:28 <gammafunk> well, sequell will eventually track it, at least
22:11:31 <Lightli> so yes
22:11:42 <gammafunk> well the "official" score is CAO
22:11:47 <gammafunk> so in a sense, no
22:11:54 <|amethyst> it is?
22:11:55 <Lightli> oh
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22:12:00 <gammafunk> |amethyst: yes, I decided
22:12:02 <Lightli> so all my cszo games don't count
22:12:12 <gammafunk> |amethyst: but seriously, wouldn't you say that it is?
22:12:34 <|amethyst> sequell loses games less often :)
22:13:01 <gammafunk> well that's a technical issue, really; I mean CAO is the only truly public face of our scoring system
22:13:20 <gammafunk> most people can't do sequell queries
22:14:21 <Lightli> wait
22:14:22 <johnstein> !lg . s=awesomeness
22:14:23 <Sequell> Unknown field: awesomeness
22:14:26 <johnstein> :(
22:14:28 <Lightli> how will wulndraste work in regards to zot
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22:14:37 <read> very amusingly.
22:14:52 <nicolae-> Zottastically
22:14:56 <Lightli> if I hit the last floor will backtracking be available or if I go in I'm not leaving without the orb?
22:15:11 <gammafunk> I read crate's post on W, which concerns me. However he didn't fully explain why he thought the god worked so poorly on a fundamental level
22:15:34 <Lightli> what post
22:15:37 <johnstein> I really like the idea that no upstairs can be used for W (till you get the orb). but I see how that seriously complicates things
22:15:40 <gammafunk> He listed some problems that seem addressable, but he seemed to imply that overall the god was unsatisfying
22:16:04 <Lightli> yeah, he doesn't feel like he does much outside of give you escape options and more HP/MP
22:16:23 <nicolae-> i think his main thesis was that no-backtrack was more of an interface hassle than an interesting conduct
22:19:03 <gammafunk> yeah, I could see it being the case that it just makes you juggle inventory more
22:19:43 <gammafunk> for me, the far more interesting part of speedrunning is accepting higher risk, fighting more enemies at once, entering branches less leveled than you would normally
22:19:49 <Lightli> so far the biggest thing no-backtrack did was make me wait to start worshipping him until I bought the crown of Dyrovepreva
22:20:03 <PleasingFungus> It's not a speedrunning god.
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22:20:33 <gammafunk> well what is the fun gameplay aspect that the god "is about", then
22:20:51 <PleasingFungus> It is the no-stairdancing god.
22:20:56 <PleasingFungus> At present.
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22:21:03 <|amethyst> no stairdancing and no branchhopping
22:22:06 <gammafunk> that doesn't sound very compelling to me as an idea overall; I guess in the end the power level of the god needs to be high enough that, for those who find some strict enforcement of this conduct meaningful, there's at least sufficient benefit
22:22:39 <Lightli> well having 200 HP before the end of lair is beneficial
22:22:55 <gammafunk> do the hp bonuses scale?
22:22:58 <gammafunk> ??wulndraste
22:22:58 <Sequell> wulndraste[1/4]: Wulndraste the Wayfarer: god of exploration and not climbing stairs. New in experimental branches (CBRO). Wulndraste increases your HP/MP and regeneration, and removes the 50 mp cap. Wulndraste offers two powers, {blend_in} and {change_of_scenery}.
22:23:04 <gammafunk> ??wulndraste[2
22:23:04 <Sequell> wulndraste[2/4]: Wulndraste strongly dislikes when you go up a staircase when there is still an unexplored down staircase or rune reachable from that up staircase on that floor. Wulndraste likes exploration and when you collect runes. Not yet implemented: Wulndraste likes it when you reach a specific point on each floor and plant a flag-altar to Wulndraste.
22:23:05 <Lightli> with race presumably
22:23:12 <gammafunk> ??wulndraste[3
22:23:12 <Sequell> wulndraste[3/4]: Testing name: Backtrackticus.
22:23:14 <gammafunk> ??wulndraste[4
22:23:14 <Sequell> wulndraste[4/4]: <Grunt> for the record, "Wulndraste" -> "vuln drast" to me (two syllables)
22:23:23 <gammafunk> well, I read it was just +10% hp
22:23:36 <PleasingFungus> iirc it was 10/20/30 by piety tiers
22:24:02 <gammafunk> hrm, his post seems to suggest otherwise
22:24:16 <|amethyst> Wulndroste http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Droste.jpg
22:24:17 <PleasingFungus> ok
22:24:56 <ontoclasm> i'm going to call this god Wendy and there's nothing you can do to stop me
22:25:02 <gammafunk> look tasty
22:25:04 <|amethyst> Wrick
22:25:11 <gammafunk> also very recursive
22:25:45 <nicolae-> hm
22:25:55 <nicolae-> did anyone notice that the spriggan rider tile still shows it riding a giant firefly
22:25:57 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  that's my go-to picture for illustrating recursion, though maybe I should try to find something more familiar to a US audience
22:26:10 <PleasingFungus> nicolae-: yes
22:26:15 <PleasingFungus> someone made a replacement tile at one point
22:26:18 <nicolae-> okay
22:26:18 <PleasingFungus> but it was not very good
22:26:28 <nicolae-> i was testing some stuff in swamp and was like "where'd this wasp come from"
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22:27:00 * ontoclasm quietly slips out the back door.
22:27:21 <gammafunk> sieze him! make him do art!
22:28:00 <PleasingFungus> ontoclasm: I don't remember if the tile was yours, but if so, no offense intended
22:28:14 <ontoclasm> !!!!
22:28:17 <ontoclasm> ALERT 99.99
22:28:22 <ontoclasm> no, it wasn't mine
22:28:32 <ontoclasm> (and i wouldn't be offended if you called one of my tiles crap)
22:28:48 <ontoclasm> i was fleeing since i should probably have drawn a new ridre tile like... a year ago
22:29:32 <gammafunk> we'll have to think of more creative insults for ontoclasm's art, then
22:29:38 <gammafunk> your art is Kafkaesque?
22:30:00 <ontoclasm> HOW
22:30:01 <ontoclasm> DARE
22:30:02 <ontoclasm> YOU
22:30:07 <nicolae-> he did the giant cockroach tiles?
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22:30:35 <ontoclasm> the correct insult is "lazy"
22:30:41 <nicolae-> i wish there were more kafka stories applicable to crawl but i haven't gotten around to the "in the penal colony" vault
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22:32:23 <ontoclasm> one day gregor samsa awoke to discover that in his sleep he had become a monstrous lava orc.
22:32:30 <gammafunk> the truth is you make such cute pokeman art that we just can't bring ourselves to insult anything you do
22:32:48 <ontoclasm> :me narrows his eyes accusingly.
22:32:50 <nicolae-> one day gregor samsa awoke from troubled dreams to find that he had slept on his arm funny and the whole thing was numb
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22:36:28 <|amethyst> someone must have slandered Jozef K, for one morning, without having done anything truly wrong, he was removed from the game.
22:37:37 <nicolae-> lol
22:38:09 <nicolae-> fr some sort of kafkaesque gof
22:38:10 <nicolae-> god
22:38:19 <gammafunk> or unique
22:38:44 <nicolae-> really complex and alienating invocations
22:39:11 <|amethyst> to enter Zot you need three runes, and twenty years of pointless bureaucracy
22:39:25 <nicolae-> you need to complete these forms in order to use this invocation
22:39:33 <ontoclasm> his ****** ability does nothing but set you back to 15 piety again
22:39:46 <nicolae-> to pick up the forms, you need to bring these additional forms to three locations in the dungeon which you are not told about
22:40:08 <|amethyst> and in your dreams you turn into a samurai
22:40:18 <|amethyst> oops, wrong dystopia
22:40:34 <|amethyst> and I guess he was fighting samurai, not turning into them
22:41:02 <nicolae-> fr snow crash god
22:41:37 <nicolae-> now i'm thinking about a god of bureaucracy
22:41:45 <|amethyst> mesopotamian language-god would be interesting but I'm not sure how it would work
22:41:59 <nicolae-> glossolalia theme
22:42:33 <|amethyst> what would it do that differs from, say, Recite?
22:42:54 <nicolae-> people who think you're actually channeling god would give you money
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22:42:59 <nicolae-> zing, take that tv evangelicals
22:44:11 <nicolae-> this is the problem with high-concept god ideas, you get some real good flavor and one power idea and then bupkis
22:45:11 <|amethyst> Need more low-concept god ideas
22:45:14 <|amethyst> "god of mud"
22:45:14 <ontoclasm> fr Bupkis
22:45:25 <Lightli> bug
22:45:29 <Lightli> Wulndraste compels you to press onward! Really ascend?
22:46:05 <Lightli> I'm getting this when pressing < on the exit from the dungeon with the orb
22:46:18 <nicolae-> owned
22:46:27 <nicolae-> low-concept...
22:46:29 <PleasingFungus> someone else reported that
22:46:32 <Lightli> wait
22:46:33 <PleasingFungus> but tbh it should be marked 'feature'
22:46:34 <nicolae-> god of just doing stuff
22:46:38 <Lightli> someone else already won wulndraste?
22:46:41 <Lightli> O_.
22:46:50 <PleasingFungus> might have been wizmode testing
22:46:57 <Lightli> oh
22:47:04 <Lightli> only one way to find out what happens
22:47:08 <nicolae-> the real treasure isn't the orb, it's the knowledge you gain along the way
22:47:17 <Lightli> ahahahahaha
22:47:33 <nicolae-> ohh, sounds like a good one
22:47:35 <nicolae-> do tell, Lightli
22:47:37 <|amethyst> !learn add bullshit <nicolae-> the real treasure isn't the orb, it's the knowledge you gain along the way
22:47:38 <Sequell> bullshit[1/1]: <nicolae-> the real treasure isn't the orb, it's the knowledge you gain along the way
22:47:56 <nicolae-> what the-!
22:48:10 <Lightli> !log . wulndraste
22:48:11 <Sequell> No keyword 'wulndraste'
22:48:15 <Lightli> rip
22:48:22 <Lightli> !lg
22:48:22 <Sequell> 2876. darkli the Chiller (L5 OpIE), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2014-12-19 23:23:58, with 193 points after 3905 turns and 0:05:20.
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22:48:31 <|amethyst> nicolae-:  perhaps I should have said !learn add after_school_special
22:48:42 <nicolae-> same thing, really
22:49:05 <Lightli> how can I get my log for the game I just won
22:50:06 <read> !lg Lightli
22:50:06 <Sequell> 2876. darkli the Chiller (L5 OpIE), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2014-12-19 23:23:58, with 193 points after 3905 turns and 0:05:20.
22:50:12 <read> !lm Lightli
22:50:13 <Sequell> 17068. [2014-12-19 23:32:30] darkli the Chiller (L8 OpIE) killed Eustachio on turn 6567. (D:6)
22:50:19 <read> untracked server?
22:50:19 <johnstein> Lightli: I sent green snark the location of the files
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22:50:35 <johnstein> he needs to add them to make them searchable for sequell
22:50:49 <Lightli> oh
22:51:06 <johnstein> files are at cbro/crawl/
22:51:24 <johnstein> link on webtiles. you can at least drill down manually
22:52:26 <Lightli> ??cbro
22:52:26 <Sequell> cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org. Use glyph/sigil ^ for bots
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22:53:38 <Lightli> there we go
22:53:39 <Lightli> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20141220-044711.txt
22:54:36 <PleasingFungus> nice :)
22:54:43 <PleasingFungus> how did the god feel?
22:54:53 <Lightli> I had 200 HP by the end of lair
22:55:20 <Lightli> (I literally didn't use any of his abilities at all, so he was nothing but Robust 3 in my god slot with a finnicky drawback
22:56:44 <PleasingFungus> finicky, eh
22:57:41 <Lightli> well, it didn't matter in regards to survival (but my character got incredibly lucky with equipment and was a troll, so...)
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22:59:14 <gammafunk> Lightli: yeah, I think Tr wouldn't be the best species to get W with
22:59:23 <gammafunk> s/get/test/
22:59:25 <Lightli> yeah
22:59:29 <gammafunk> Tr already have high regen and high hp
22:59:30 <Lightli> I didn't use literally any of his abilities once
22:59:39 <johnstein> did you lose maxHP?
22:59:40 <johnstein> I only see 189
22:59:52 <nicolae-> he was in penance when the game ended, though
22:59:54 <Lightli> johnstein: I got placed under pennace for going upstairs on D:1
23:00:03 <Lightli> normally it was 350+
23:00:03 <johnstein> ftw?
23:00:11 <Lightli> yup
23:00:25 <johnstein> 1learn add goodbug
23:01:03 <ontoclasm> does wulndrobuste stack with normal robust
23:01:22 <Lightli> probably, the other guy who won got robust 1 at one point
23:01:29 <Lightli> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/morgue-Piginabag-20141220-042558.txt
23:01:53 <Cheibriados> 03Grunt02 07[no_backtracking_god] * 0.16-a0-3191-gdf286d6: Be less testy with beams. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df286d644429
23:03:07 <Lightli> so troll of wulndraste was basically "I heal all the damage I take back within seconds and have more HP than 3 felids"
23:03:23 <Lightli> so basically troll^2
23:05:15 <johnstein> did the regen stack?
23:05:31 <Lightli> definitely
23:05:41 <nicolae-> maybe the regen powers could be saved for some other god
23:06:07 <Lightli> no_forwardtracking_god
23:06:15 <nicolae-> no_sidetracking_god
23:06:26 <johnstein> replace regen with invocable damage shaving
23:06:49 <theTower> lightli: try a vs next, please
23:07:15 <Grunt> ooh I should do a VsGl
23:07:16 <Grunt> er
23:07:17 <Grunt> VSGl
23:07:28 <Grunt> need to finish my current game first though.
23:07:31 <johnstein> the damage shaving kinda goes with the enemy avoidance stuff. would help offset lack of rPois too
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23:07:58 <gammafunk> next, a god that gives the player multiple lives
23:08:05 <Grunt> feligod
23:08:09 <gammafunk> then a god that means you can't wear armour, but you get cool randomized breath
23:08:12 <gammafunk> I have other proposals
23:08:41 <Grunt> how about
23:08:45 <Grunt> a god that merges your HP and MP
23:08:50 <gammafunk> excellent
23:08:55 <theTower> and gives you rHellfire?
23:09:00 <Grunt> of course!
23:09:00 <gammafunk> why not, I say
23:09:14 <Grunt> and hungerless, but using nutrition causes glow instead
23:09:21 <johnstein> can we add weird rC-?
23:09:26 <Grunt> sure!!!
23:09:33 <nicolae-> it's a genius idea... genius... that gives me an idea for a name...
23:09:52 <gammafunk> too bad G is taken
23:10:11 <nicolae-> there can be two gs
23:10:15 <Grunt> NOPE
23:11:10 <gammafunk> nicolae-: you don't understand, but the bit field records for two Gs increases disk cache consumption to the level where load balancing the kernel map doesn't offset the URL packets
23:11:39 <nicolae-> why do you think i suggested two G gods?
23:11:46 <nicolae-> *leans back in his chair and cackles like a bond villain*
23:11:49 <Lightli> rename dithmenos to vithmenos
23:12:05 <Grunt> ...what happens to Vehumet
23:12:06 <nicolae-> 1ehumet
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23:12:09 <nicolae-> wait, HSIT
23:12:15 <Lightli> oh wait derp
23:12:22 <gammafunk> you'll overflow the chmod array's backup core!
23:12:24 <Lightli> what god letters are still unused
23:12:28 <ontoclasm> ^ehumet
23:12:29 <nicolae-> HPIU(W)
23:12:43 <Lightli> cross off I if igni ever gets worked on again
23:12:53 <nicolae-> it's my understanding that igni is pretty much dead
23:12:57 <theTower> obviously the solution is to learn from the example of 1
23:13:02 <theTower> where's 2-0
23:13:17 <nicolae-> 0, the god of nothingness
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23:13:36 <nicolae-> no demands, no conducts, no piety, no powers
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23:13:59 <Lightli> 1?
23:14:06 <gammafunk> 1??
23:14:06 <Sequell> The tier 1 demons. The most dangerous of their kind outside of the named guardians in Pandemonium, the Fiends can cast {torment}. They are: {Ice Fiend}, {Shadow Fiend}, {Brimstone Fiend}, {Executioner}, {Hell Sentinel}. If you are looking at your map and you see a mysterious green 1 and can't figure it out, that's a waypoint.
23:14:12 <Lightli> TSO is in S
23:14:16 <Lightli> wait dang it
23:14:20 <theTower> ...
23:14:25 <gammafunk> ??oops
23:14:25 <Sequell> pleasingfungus[1/18]: <PleasingFungus> oops
23:14:27 <theTower> if muna, right
23:14:28 <Lightli> T is Trog, S is Sif Muna
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23:14:38 <Lightli> We already broke the rule
23:14:47 <Lightli> (and O is okawaru)
23:15:05 <gammafunk> TSO is lower-case t
23:15:12 <gammafunk> we're fine
23:15:15 <theTower> numbers are fine
23:15:18 <theTower> yeesh
23:15:28 <gammafunk> letters are fine too
23:15:40 <gammafunk> hell I'd accept an emoji god
23:15:43 <Lightli> I just realized
23:15:50 <Lightli> where's the summoning god
23:15:55 <Lightli> (rip oldVeh)
23:16:01 <ontoclasm> !abyss Lightli
23:16:01 <Sequell> ontoclasm casts a spell. Lightli is devoured by a tear in reality!
23:16:05 <nicolae-> you know, i was wondering about that
23:16:08 <johnstein> butterfly god?
23:16:21 <nicolae-> since summoning got nerfed a while back, i was gonna ask if a summoning god was a reasonable thing now
23:16:21 <theTower> personally, I'm waiting for the eight million kami
23:16:23 <Grunt> I am now envisioning
23:16:30 <Grunt> a god that constantly surrounds you with butterflies
23:16:38 <Grunt> if you take Huge Dmg you emit a swarm of butterflies
23:16:38 <Lightli> ahahahaha
23:16:38 <johnstein> grants butterflies when you corpse sac
23:16:44 <gammafunk> where's the summoning god...
23:16:47 <nicolae-> buggod
23:16:56 <Grunt> gammafunk: S is for summoning i m o
23:17:10 <theTower> nemelex is the yred of summoning
23:17:10 <Grunt> what say you
23:17:10 <theTower> duh
23:17:10 <gammafunk> we have sif, kiku, yred, nem
23:17:10 <Grunt> ???????
23:17:49 <gammafunk> Grunt: I'll try out sif muna at some point and see how it goes
23:17:55 <Grunt> gammafunk: okay
23:17:59 <gammafunk> will take recommendations for species and class
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23:18:05 <Grunt> how about
23:18:07 <Grunt> HESu
23:18:10 <gammafunk> !
23:18:15 <theTower> what are you even talking about
23:18:17 <Grunt> maybe HEIE
23:18:20 <theTower> that's no way to test untouched things
23:18:23 <theTower> do sasu
23:18:25 <Lightli> you mean MuSu, the ultimate powercombo!!!
23:18:36 <Lightli> (rip MuSu)
23:18:37 <Grunt> (rip GhAM)
23:18:42 <gammafunk> I'd rather be SaFE
23:18:55 <Grunt> that would be in SaNe
23:18:57 <Lightli> first Sa has to be in trunk
23:19:10 <Grunt> (need to do another Sa attempt at some point)
23:19:11 <Lightli> (whereupon I would immediately go to work on winning a SaBe)
23:19:14 <gammafunk> Lightli: well, it may not make it to trunk...
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23:19:21 <Lightli> exactly
23:19:40 <Grunt> Sa is in a decent position right now i m o, but I want more people to render their opinion
23:19:40 <theTower> what class to do a sa of w
23:19:44 <Lightli> like the lizard species, plutonians, ignis, nostalgia, wulndraste
23:19:45 <Grunt> SaGl
23:19:46 <Grunt> of course
23:19:47 <|amethyst> Rename Vampire to Sanguivore
23:20:07 <gammafunk> do we have apt list for Sa in learndb yet
23:20:09 <gammafunk> !apt sa
23:20:09 <Sequell> Could not understand "sa"
23:20:18 -!- Amnesthesia is now known as Demnestheziad
23:20:18 <theTower> well of course nostalgia is going to be merged
23:20:39 <nicolae-> invent a new background just for testing new gods and species with
23:20:42 <gammafunk> I'm still oddly attracted to the idea of terpsichore
23:20:45 <gammafunk> ??terpsichore
23:20:45 <Sequell> terpsichore[1/1]: A Tukima-using unique that existed in 0.8-a for about 1.5 months.
23:20:47 <ontoclasm> Tester
23:20:51 <ontoclasm> SaTe
23:20:55 <gammafunk> how do I keep spelling that correctly, of all things
23:21:02 <Grunt> muscle memory
23:21:09 <theTower> terpsichore needs to be a dancing weapon herself
23:21:12 <ontoclasm> starts with a book of cantrips
23:21:13 <Grunt> it's like how you can spell Kikubaaqudgha off the top of your head after a while
23:21:21 <gammafunk> well I like the idea of a unique ghost
23:21:31 <theTower> I dunno, it's impossible to ever type out crown of d
23:21:39 <Grunt> Dyrovepreva, you mean?
23:21:42 <gammafunk> but spectral weapon on a unique was taken
23:21:44 <theTower> blasphemy
23:21:47 <Grunt> hi.
23:21:49 <|amethyst> isn't that one an actual word?
23:21:52 <Lightli> clearly the unique ghost should be able to PASS THROUGH WALLS!!!
23:21:53 <gammafunk> Grunt: kikublagfuughkuuuudabda!
23:21:54 <ontoclasm> i can never remember if it's yredlemnul or yredelemnul
23:21:55 <Lightli> (jk)
23:21:58 <|amethyst> oh, no
23:21:59 <Grunt> yredelemnul
23:22:00 <Grunt> <3
23:22:04 <theTower> jorgrun is a ghost?
23:22:15 <nicolae-> Dyrovepreva sounds like Depo-Provera, to me
23:22:15 <Lightli> (I was making a rock worm joke)
23:22:17 <Grunt> So is Dissolution, apparently.
23:22:18 <gammafunk> jorgrun is a deep q
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23:22:29 <gammafunk> dissolution is a deep J
23:22:31 <Grunt> !lm . uniq=dissolution
23:22:31 <Sequell> 3. [2014-12-20 01:39:50] SGrunt the Cryomancer (L25 DrCj of Vehumet) killed Dissolution on turn 94448. (Slime:3)
23:22:32 <|amethyst> nicolae-: yeah, that too
23:22:35 <Grunt> three times???
23:22:45 <gammafunk> !lg . uniq=dissolution
23:22:45 <Sequell> Unknown field: uniq
23:22:50 <gammafunk> !lm . uniq=dissolution
23:22:51 <Sequell> 7. [2014-06-11 19:19:47] gammafunk the Convoker (L17 HEIE of Sif Muna) killed Dissolution on turn 23312. (Slime:5)
23:22:53 <Grunt> !
23:22:55 <gammafunk> woah, wtf
23:22:57 <ontoclasm> i remember the first glimpse i ever had of crawl was of my friend playing a hopr, and he explained that crawl had, like, three gods of death and they all had crazy nonsense names
23:23:00 <gammafunk> no way I killed him that many times
23:23:02 <theTower> obviously that's the needed monster for spider
23:23:12 <ontoclasm> and i thought "why the fuck would you need three gods of death"
23:23:15 <theTower> the return of the rock worm
23:23:24 <Lightli> there are only 2 gods of death
23:23:26 <Grunt> !lm * uniq uniq!~~Lernaean uniq!~~shaped uniq!~~ghostly uniq!~~helpless s=uniq / @gammafunk ?:N=0
23:23:27 -!- Demnestheziad is now known as Dismesthesia
23:23:28 <gammafunk> ug, rock worms
23:23:30 <ontoclasm> well, he said three
23:23:35 <nicolae-> and what do we say to the god of death?
23:23:40 <nicolae-> "i'm gonna go sif today, sorry"
23:23:41 <Grunt> fr cuniq
23:23:44 <Sequell> 37259 milestones for * (uniq uniq!~~Lernaean uniq!~~shaped uniq!~~ghostly uniq!~~helpless): 0/1x your royal jelly [0.00%], 0/1x the fire giant [0.00%], 0/70x Pan [0.00%], 0/267x Satan Claus [0.00%], 0/401x Terpsichore [0.00%], 0/795x Blork [0.00%], 0/6267x Michael [0.00%], 0/6346x Duane [0.00%], 0/6484x Wayne [0.00%], 0/7385x Francis [0.00%], 0/9242x Norbert [0.00%]
23:23:59 <|amethyst> "If someone asks if you're a god of death, you say YES!"
23:24:02 <Lightli> ahahaha pan
23:24:10 <Grunt> !lm gammafunk uniq~~Blork
23:24:11 <Sequell> 158. [2014-12-12 23:41:39] gammafunk the Caller (L4 HESu of Sif Muna) killed Blork the orc on turn 1833. (D:5)
23:24:13 <Grunt> v0v
23:24:14 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.16-a0-3218-g9b393b2 (34)
23:24:21 <theTower> of course, first we need to bring back michael, duane, wayne, francis, nobert, and jozef.
23:24:29 <Grunt> norbert
23:24:32 <Grunt> with two rs
23:24:37 * Grunt shakes his fist.
23:24:39 <theTower> no, bert
23:24:42 <gammafunk> Pan? I thought we removed all of Pan
23:25:24 <gammafunk> that was like my second commit, and MPA was not amused
23:25:29 <|amethyst> apparently we left the wings?
23:25:36 <Grunt> !lm * uniq=your_royal_jelly -tv
23:25:37 <Sequell> 1. MrPlanck, XL26 HuCK, T:71634 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
23:25:48 <Grunt> (I am sad that this only happened once)
23:26:20 <gammafunk> Grunt: oh, does the use of @ allow you to set the lg name filter regardless of where the argument occurrs?
23:26:28 <theTower> duane had 136 hp and hd 18 and haste, slow, magic dart, blink
23:26:28 <gammafunk> I'm not clear on what @ does for lg/lm
23:26:29 <Grunt> gammafunk: ya
23:26:37 <gammafunk> Grunt: is that the only thing it does?
23:26:38 <Grunt> !lg gammafunk
23:26:38 <theTower> this makes sense
23:26:38 <Sequell> 2478. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:2 (nicolae_swamp_round_clearing) on 2014-12-20 02:41:51, with 13355 points after 8041 turns and 1:06:48.
23:26:40 <Grunt> !lg * @gammafunk
23:26:41 <Sequell> 2478. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HESu of Sif Muna), quit the game on Swamp:2 (nicolae_swamp_round_clearing) on 2014-12-20 02:41:51, with 13355 points after 8041 turns and 1:06:48.
23:26:44 <Grunt> gammafunk: more or less
23:26:48 <gammafunk> k, good to know
23:27:23 <gammafunk> also, nnniiicccooolllaaaeee!!!
23:27:39 <nicolae-> don't blame me, that's a decor vault
23:27:52 <gammafunk> silly flying i, not that this run was really going anywhere
23:28:20 <Grunt> needs more masterblastercastering
23:28:21 <Grunt> i m o
23:28:33 <Grunt> !lm . uniq=the_Enchantress -tv
23:28:33 <Sequell> 9. SGrunt, XL24 DrCj, T:88254 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
23:28:45 <theTower> francis was a higher health orc high priest, nobert was shield-maud, michael was moderately more health orc wizard
23:28:51 <gammafunk> Well if I try Sa, it'll probably be FE
23:29:01 <nicolae-> that sounds like a pretty... secure option
23:29:01 <Grunt> gammafunk: sounds like a SaFE choice
23:29:02 <nicolae-> wait, FUCK
23:29:03 <Grunt> get to work
23:29:08 <Lightli> wait
23:29:09 <Grunt> nicolae-: we don't have a FU race yet
23:29:11 <Lightli> !lg . francis
23:29:12 <Sequell> No keyword 'francis'
23:29:16 <Grunt> !lm Lightli uniq=francis
23:29:16 <Lightli> !lg . killer=francis
23:29:16 <Sequell> No milestones for Lightli (uniq=francis).
23:29:17 <Sequell> No games for Lightli (killer=francis).
23:29:18 <nicolae-> Fire Unicorn
23:29:19 <Lightli> ??francis
23:29:19 <Sequell> francis[1/1]: A wandering demon-summoning Romeo, looking for Frances. Spells: pain, summon demon, smite, animate dead, abjuration, and healing. Gone since 0.8.
23:29:23 <Lightli> oh
23:29:29 <gammafunk> Grunt: I don't want to become SaWn in two with all these goals though
23:29:32 <gammafunk> ok that was a bit forced
23:29:50 <Grunt> gammafunk: maybe go hit the SaCK and see if you feel up to it tomorrow
23:30:54 <gammafunk> I can see that you designed this species solely for more cute char words
23:31:24 <gammafunk> ??salamander
23:31:25 <Sequell> salamander[1/5]: A new (experimental) race in 0.16, Salamanders start off with AF_FIRE, slow move 2, tough skin 2 (+2 AC), rC- and a naga-like tail (can't wear boots but can wear naga bardings). At XL7 and XL14 they gain one level of rF; at XL14 they also gain the ability to swim through lava. Try them on {CBRO}!
23:31:31 <Cheibriados> Franchuanelbertzef (06p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 56-88 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1445 | Sp: b.venom (3d22), sum.demon, invisibility, slow | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

23:31:31 <theTower> %??wizard hd:18 name:Franchuanelbertzef spells:venom_bolt.12.wizard;summon_demon.12.wizard;invisibility.12.wizard;slow.12.wizard
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23:32:08 <nicolae-> what on earth
23:32:19 <nicolae-> oh, it's just combining all their names
23:32:29 <Grunt> imo give them the entire set of spells
23:32:31 <nicolae-> for a moment i thought it was some obscure germanic fairy tale character or something
23:33:00 <Lightli> so Sa is Na but with less defenses and more fire
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23:34:26 <Grunt> Really the only two things Sa has in common with Na are slow 2 and wearing bardings instead of boots.
23:34:54 <gammafunk> !cmd !apt
23:34:54 <Sequell> Built-in: !apt => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/commands/apt.pl
23:34:54 <theTower> "also an easier visit to snake with ely"
23:34:57 <gammafunk> ah
23:35:52 <gammafunk> %git :/[Ss]alamander
23:35:52 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-3159-ge6ac362: Retain salamander fire attacks with blade hands / appendage (kvaak). 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 19+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6ac362a52c3
23:36:04 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 2 [Ss]alamander
23:36:05 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/[Ss]alamander}^^{/[Ss]alamander}
23:36:05 <Cheibriados> 07tenofswords02 * 0.16-a0-663-g6932eac: Temporary quick-fix: Remove allies tracer on monster torment / tornado / chains 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6932eac25ae0
23:36:07 <gammafunk> oh righ
23:36:08 <gammafunk> t
23:36:10 <gammafunk> head only
23:36:17 <gammafunk> !gitgrep 2 [Ss]alamander^1
23:36:17 <Sequell> %git HEAD^{/[Ss]alamander^1}^^{/[Ss]alamander^1}
23:36:18 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit HEAD^{/[Ss]alamander^1}^^{/[Ss]alamander^1} (git returned 128)
23:36:24 <gammafunk> er
23:36:33 <gammafunk> %git :/[Ss]alamander^1
23:36:34 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit :/[Ss]alamander^1 (git returned 128)
23:36:34 <Grunt> gammafunk: what are you trying to find
23:36:41 <gammafunk> Grunt: aptitude list
23:36:44 <Grunt> oh
23:37:14 <Grunt> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/aptitudes.h;h=9630461567b041dff1a50741d3a3cdfd1a73659b;hb=e6ac362a52c36ae2b880f5e30425d80dac332cd0#l1488
23:37:18 <Cheibriados> Franchuanelbertzef (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 130 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 15, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 2045 | Sp: b.venom (3d22) [11!AM], sum.demon [11!AM], invisibility [11!AM], slow [11!AM], ephemeral infusion [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: normal.

23:37:18 <theTower> %??monstrous blood saint hd:18 hp:130 name:Franchuanelbertzef spells:venom_bolt.12.priest;summon_demon.12.priest;invisibility.12.priest;slow.12.priest;ephemeral_infusion.12.priest
23:37:29 <gammafunk> ty
23:37:40 <theTower> eh
23:38:30 <Lightli> what about HP, MP, and exp apts
23:38:45 <gammafunk> !apt na
23:38:45 <Sequell> Na: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 3!, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 2, MP: 0
23:39:04 <gammafunk> well aptitude-wise they are similar, aside from the fire/poison/dodging
23:40:06 <Grunt> 1 / 1 / -1 respectively
23:40:06 <gammafunk> probably a reasonably fun species to play, at least
23:40:12 <Grunt> gammafunk: what are you waiting for
23:40:14 <Grunt> :)
23:40:57 <gammafunk> Grunt: oh I'm a big deal. You don't get me to endorse your species and play it before my millions of fans until you've hit the big time
23:41:42 <gammafunk> You'll have to settle for Haifisch
23:41:54 <Grunt> dang. rip.
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23:49:03 <Sizzell> moose (L17 GhFi) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 107 failed. (Snake:5)
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